WEBVTT - Phil Johnson: The Great Loomis–Fargo Heist 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:02.760 Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.840 Elizabeth Dutton Zeron Burnett. I got a question for you. Yeah, 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.440 all right, do you just just out of you know, 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.200 out of the blue, would you be able to tell 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:15.800 me what is ridiculous? 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.120 Well, I have a question for you. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.720 Oh, we're gonna flip it right back around so quickly. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.159 Do you like beverages with bite? Do you feel like 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:23.640 a drink that has like a bite to it? 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.200 No, next question, you do? I do? Yes? I like yes, 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:28.520 but I'm really suspicious. 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.120 You love sparkling water. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.560 I do sharp water, sharp water, sharp water, Yes, I 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:34.520 love that sharp water. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:35.800 I can't take it. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.360 Water with teeth. That's what I like. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.200 Yeah, yeah, toothy water. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.800 And so also are uh did they ruin water too? 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.240 They totally ruined. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:45.600 The water, dude. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:50.080 So we have been getting so many messages about this 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.120 through all channels. Like a pigeon flew in my window 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.040 and it was tied to the leg. We got them 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.800 with a mashup. I'm so sorry. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.360 Are you surprised, No, Elizabeth, I'm really not surprised. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.720 Probably I think one of the worst. And it should 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:11.480 be criminal and it involves seven eleven okay, and it involves. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.240 You think they'd be more involved in this seven eleven 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:15.959 in other match, you don't. 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.720 Bring them up because they've been holding it and now 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.360 they just let it rip. Oh, they just it's their 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:25.000 tummies were small. They just opened her up. So seven 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.800 eleven got together with a company called Miracle Seltzer okay, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.920 and they're doing this line of sparkling water specifically for 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:37.280 seven eleven. It's the seven select from House of miraclesure. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.280 So there are these flavors lemon, lime, green apple, sweet orange. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.120 You would totally grip. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.120 On those, totally all kinds of flavor, right. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.040 So then there's one that's called one that's called hot 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.840 Dog hot Dog Water. Yeah, it's a twist on one 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.000 of seven eleven's most beloved snacks, the Big Bite hot Dog. God, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.760 the Big Bite hot Dog Sparkling Water combines the delicious 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.240 and watering experience of seven eleven's iconic big Bite hot 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:09.200 dog into one refreshing beverage catch up and mustard included. God, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.359 on are the days of alternating bites of a hot 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.320 dog with SIPs of a beverage. Now those can go. Now, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.760 those on the cave, I don't know. Now, those on 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.200 the goat comes up the bun for bubbles. 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.320 So does it come with a nice float of grease 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.120 like from the rollers, because otherwise it's not authentic. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.359 Seven eleven man Marissa Jarrett, she laid it down for us. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.680 She's an executive vice president. While crafting flavors like Lemon 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.680 lime and sweet Orange came more easily, our journey took 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.480 an unexpected turn with the creation of Big Bite hot 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.400 Dog Sparkling Water, a daring flavor that pushes the boundaries 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.280 of flavor innovation. You know, the press release goes on 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.800 and on, but let me tell you something more. Details 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.960 on the availability of this flavor will be revealed on 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:51.680 April first. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.280 Oh, yes, there we go. 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.040 There it is. I think that's part of it. But 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.800 in the meantime, the rest of the lineup is available 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.040 at seven elevens, so I think it's totally fake. But 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.280 I was like, hot dog flavored water, Where have I 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.520 heard that? And then I remembered that's the name of 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:11.160 olymp Biscuit album, hot Dog Water. It's a chocolate starfish 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.080 and the hot dog flavored water, So like, I google 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.359 it right, and that said, you know how sometimes they 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.400 have like people also ask and it tells you other 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.360 Google searches, and it said, what is the meaning of chocolate? 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.240 Starfish and the hot dog flavored water? 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.560 Elizabeth, what is the meaning of chocolate? 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:33.760 And it just says the human anus. The first part 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.400 of the title is a slang term for the human anus. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.320 And then hot dog flavored water is an in joke 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.600 started by Wes Borland at a truck stop while the 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.720 band was on tour where Borland saw bottles of crystal 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.920 guys or flavored water and made a joke about having 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.200 meat or hot dog flavors. 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:49.960 So he was just ahead of the curve. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:57.760 He was ahead of the curve. Royalties, that, friends, is ridiculous. 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:58.720 I'll give it to you. 0:03:58.720 --> 0:03:59.160 You should. 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.640 Yeah, you know what the it's ridiculous. No, twenty one 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.520 cubic feet of cash. That is ridiculous, right, that's ridiculous, Elizabeth. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.720 One man, one man stole twenty one cubic feet of. 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.680 Cash, twenty one cubic feet. 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.040 And his brother got away with it. Oh for a 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:38.240 very long time. This is his story. Done Dune. This 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.160 is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:47.600 heists and calms. It's always ninety nine percent murder free 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:53.719 and one hundred percent ridiculous. Very oh, Elizabeth, Oh zaren 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:58.200 Philip Johnson. Yeah, sure, Phil Johnson, my man Johnson, Philly 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.720 j Elizabeth. This story I'm about le on you is 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.120 a Cohen Brothers style story, but like the later movies, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.800 not the early goofy ones. Yeah, this is a it's 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.560 a crime story. This dude, Phil Johnson. Right, he was 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.719 a meticulous man. He was a smart man. He was 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.000 a cynical man, Elizabeth. He wasn't also an angry man, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:19.840 and he was a lonely. 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.680 Man and a hungry man the time of very hungry. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:24.920 The time of our story, Phil Johnson was thirty three 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.599 years old, which you know what that means. He was 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.560 in his Jesus year. He was in his Jesus here, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.040 and my man, Phil Johnson was a major league screw up. 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.280 Oh yeah. A former co worker, Larry Taylor he said, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.520 and I quote he chow up for work late or 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.800 not at all. Everything he did he screwed up. One 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.600 of his neighbors said that Phil Johnson quote just couldn't 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.599 get anywhere in life. He was always talking about his 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.440 disappointments and his job didn't pay good. It was always 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:50.440 negative things. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.000 Yeah, usually they talked to a neighbor and they're like 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:54.360 he was just the nicest. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:58.280 Fellaw totally or else, like, you know, they were really bizarre. Now, 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.800 his own sister said of her brother Phil that he 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.480 quote lived in a world of pain. Oh yeah, Now 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.600 what was that world of pain? What was the job 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.560 that he hated? And what was he so terrible at doing? Elizabeth, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.839 I any guesses. No, I'll just tell you. He was 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.880 a courier for Loomis Fargo. They are like the armored 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.160 car company security, like Wells Fargo. 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.200 So was he just scared all the time? 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.040 Is that why he didn't like No, No, it wasn't 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.640 so much this job terrified him or such. It would 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.480 be basically he was a guard for the armored car 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.320 and as a courier, what that means is he's the 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.520 guy who goes into the business to get the cash. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.560 Now he's making seven dollars an hour and that was 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.600 the pay he gets to risk his life for these 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:38.440 cash deposits. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:39.039 That's stupid. 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.599 So that was still depressing. This is nineteen ninety seven, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.160 so seven dollars an hour would be thirteen dollars and 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.599 fifty cents in twenty twenty four dollars man. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.720 That's a lot of risk for very little compensation. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.360 Completely, also no health plan, no dental, no employer contributions 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.880 to his pension. In fact, there was no pension nada. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:58.520 There was just the seven dollars an hour. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.960 He'd be better off as like a waiter somewhere. 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.000 Oh. Completely. He worked his job for ten years and 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.920 he hated it. Yeah, right, So for one, it was routine. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.520 It was just like literally, he drove a route, so 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.040 he picked up cash, he took it to a collection point, 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.760 same stops, over and over again. Mind numbing work, right, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.360 Phil Johnson. He let everyone know this, right, so all 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.200 of his car workers, they knew how much he hated 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.880 the job that he shared with them. They knew how 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.520 much he felt they were all paid too little, and 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.880 that how she had benefits for risking their life for 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.360 circle kse cash drops right right now. This job but 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.440 also gnawed away at his self respect because he began 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.840 to loathe not just the job but his life. Like 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.320 soon enough he'd loathe its effect on his self esteem. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.160 Like he told a friend, this dude, Tim Gray, that 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.560 he'd likely never get married because what girl on her 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.200 right mind? Would ever want a guy like him? Right 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.720 kind of said, well. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.480 I mean, here's the thing. He is the captain of 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.760 his own ship totally. So you know, you can complain 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:00.480 and complain and complain, but then so times you just 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.360 gotta do something. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.600 It all comes out of perspective too. I mean, the 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:07.080 seven dollars is not doing anything to decide who he is. Yeah, exactly, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.240 but it is a factor in his conditions that he's 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:13.040 responding to, which he has a choice in how he responds. Okay, 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.720 there was though, in this nature nurture debate. There was 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.040 the nature part of it. He had a tough family 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.600 situation right now, obviously this would probably fall mostly under 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.240 nurture because we're not talking about like genetics being like 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.600 genetic predispositions to disease. But anyway, my point is his 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:31.680 parents split up when he was three years old. His 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.720 father cut out. He had an older sister and a brother, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.480 Sharon and David. Now their mother being a single mom, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.720 she's trying to do the best she can, Elizabeth. She 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.640 goes on welfare. She moves her family to public housing 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.160 in Atlanta, a rough neighborhood at the time. His sister 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.400 would recall how other kids would throw rocks at them 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.560 as they rode their bikes, so damn right, just because 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.200 they didn't like them. I guess this is the eighties. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:53.520 You know they always hear, you know, you hear about 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.240 how rough things were in the eighties. We rode our 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.439 bikes everywhere. What you don't hear is it some kids threw. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.120 Rocks at us? 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.560 So things continue to go bitter for young Phil. By 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.400 the time he was eight years old, the siblings were 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.760 split up. Baby of the family, Phil, he went north 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.240 with his mother. They relocated to a trailer park on 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.839 the fringes of Rochester, New York. That didn't last long, though, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:13.760 don't worry, because he was given over to his in 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:16.600 laws and there he worked for them in Pennsylvania. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:17.200 Oh god. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.319 That also didn't last long though, thank god, because he 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.120 wound up in the West with his father, of all people. 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.760 Oh yeah, that also didn't last long. He was sent 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.840 back by his dad. He packed up his boy on 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.320 a bus and said, doing his best impression of like 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.760 Bizarro World, Horace Greeley, He's like, go east, young man, 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:33.400 go east. 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:35.959 So like, I just I know that there are a 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:37.839 lot of people in this world who have to face 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.760 that kind of stuff. But on their behalf. I want 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:40.960 to go on a slapping spree. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:41.640 Oh I know you do. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:42.880 Just find these people. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.280 Your hand will be read at the end of this. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.360 Phil Johnson. Now he's back in New York. He goes 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:49.280 he stays with an aunt, and the aunt was a 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.200 kind steadying force in his life. He finally has someone 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.800 who's going to nurture this young boy. She pays for 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.320 the kid whose smarts has mostly been overlooked at this 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.360 point to go to a private religious school, Lima Christian 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.960 Academy in Lima, New York. Right, so finally he's got 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.960 like a good stable situation. Phil Johnson. He stays with 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.240 his aunt all the way through high school. He enjoys 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.439 the first real period of stability in his entire life. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.079 Up to this point, though the damage has been done, right, 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.120 So he's basically a young hard case. Unfortunately, so one 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.400 former teacher from his time at Lima Christian they recalled 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.840 that quote Phil had some problems. You know, he just 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.760 didn't trust authority figures, especially male authority. 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:27.800 I wonder why. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.880 Exactly he had the same teacher also noted that Phil 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:34.120 was quote very bright, sort of cynically critical, so I 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.600 relate to this cat like I won't even lie. Like 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.000 by my high school years, I was also pretty distrusting 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.000 of authority, especially male authority figures. Teachers would sense my skepticism, 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.880 but I also knew that was no way to go 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.040 through life, right, So I did my damnes not to 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.000 not grow bitter. And I see how he crossed from 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.719 skepticism into cyndicism, and then with that comes the betterness, right, 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.040 which is a poison pill. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:55.400 Yeah. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.560 So also this was another factor. He was basically a 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:00.960 proto in cel in that fact he had no girls 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.760 in his life, and he blamed a lot of his 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.960 conditions for his unhappiness on the fact he had no 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.400 women in his life, right, right, So that can make 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.920 a man weird. I will be honest about that. That 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.880 the resentment of how of other young men for having 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.280 women and you not having him, Like they're a possession, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.960 that a natural component to a man's life. Well yeah, exactly, 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:22.280 So like ignoring the woman's humanity and like agency, they're 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.200 just like I should have one these other guys. They're 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.760 thinking about it as a male competition, so it becomes 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.440 a way of like measuring mans right now, anyway, Phil Johnson. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.720 He had a nickname his buddies that called him Fishkay, 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.719 not like the beloved Barney Miller character. Did he look 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.480 like a no, But this was based on his love 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.080 of answering fish and bread. Whenever he was asked, what 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:43.880 do you want to eat? 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:45.000 Fish and bread? 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.760 Fish and bread? Yeah, he was like, on that loaves 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.080 and fish energy, right, and he's just like out there. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.360 He seriously would have loved the all you can eat 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.679 fish and bread party that Jesus threw. He's like, this 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.880 is the best thing ever, just mowing down mackerel like 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.160 any no thing anyway other than fish and bread. His 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.000 other great love was the idea of being a cop. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.360 When he was growing up. He really wanted to be 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:04.199 Johnny law. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.600 Right, I'd love to have someone bitter on the force. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.760 We got these women as subhuman you. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.040 Even his high school teacher was like, I don't know, Phil, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.640 let's look at some other career options. Mister Ludeman from 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.800 Lima Christian said, and I quote, we didn't think he 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.439 was one of the guys we wanted out on the 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:21.680 highway protecting us. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.480 Yeah, and I know very little about this. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.240 So this the voter no confidence. This didn't dim Phil 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.240 Johnson's hopes, not in his own eyes. So he goes 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.600 off to Monroe Community College near Rochester, New York. Pursued 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.640 his dream with a passion. He gets an associate's degree 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.440 in criminology, which I'm not gonna lie, Elizabeth, I kind 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:42.960 of half want to go get one of those mysel 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.640 probably should right, just for the. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.239 Kicksh take it, take a online. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.800 Yeah, you know, I give myself a criminology. 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:52.040 You're here in California, and you know you can get 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.800 you can a lot of places you can do at 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.320 least one year for free to make me to college. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.559 Good point. Maybe I shouldn't look into this anyway. You 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.679 should back to my man, Phil john After he graduated 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.959 from Monroe Community College, he went south to. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:09.520 Jacksonville, Jacksonville, Florida, Florida. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.880 There are multiple Jacksonville's, but the Jacksonville, you know, like 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.920 the yeah, the Miami, the Ohio State, the Jacksonville. So 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:19.640 that's where his mother and big sister were living at 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.479 the time. Right, So before he dipped down to Jacksonville, 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.840 he made a little pit stop in Venezuela. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.880 That's a little roundabout wait to get to Jacksonville. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.559 You remember lima Christian. He went there on a missionary trip. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.440 So this is where he finally meets a girl one 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.600 who liked him back a blonde missionary. She may have 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.480 even assumed the position with him. I don't know, but 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.680 I don't for certain that. What I do know is 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.079 that there was a camp romance because when they got 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.360 back home to America, she dumped him. So Phil Johnson 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.240 starts his new life and his new career, and he 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.920 pursues his passion for criminology. Right he goes, He's like, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:55.880 in Jacksonville, He's not going to go become a cop. 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.480 He tries in Jacksonville, no luck. He tries other cities 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.400 and towns in Florida. Somehow still can't get hired. Right, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.200 He's like, I don't know what's wrong with me right now. Honestly, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.000 I don't know what's wrong with him, Like, how can 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.160 you not get hired as a cop in Florida? It 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.800 seems like the bar is pretty darn low. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.520 Think about the red flags this dude is sending up. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.559 Yes, I'm thinking the other cops, you know, Because. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.000 He walks in for an interview and he's like, so, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.480 how easy is it to find a lady's address based 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.120 on her license? 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.800 Do I get a full access to all addresses? 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.760 Hypathetic, just saying if I saw some broad walking down there, like, Okay, 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.200 that's enough. How'd you go? 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.240 Well, if you ask Phil Johnson, he'd tell you there 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.280 were two reasons, just two reasons why he couldn't get 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:38.640 a job as a cop. Can you guess what they are? 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.640 Elizabeth women? No, I'll tell you. One was his back. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:48.080 It had a slight curve his back. And two he 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.640 was quote too male and pale as in, he was 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.800 much too much of a white male to get a 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.280 job as a cop in the South. Me, I'm like, bro, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.720 come on, that's like, that's the first. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:05.280 Ironman, I really like, I'm gonna I'm just gonna stop 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.280 my whole tirade on. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.080 Anyway, what could he get a job as Elizabeth? He 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.240 could get a job doing vacuum cleaner demonstrator. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.560 They still have that back. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.480 In the nineties they did. Yeah. Now, this wasn't like 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.080 he was a salesman on the floor making a commission. No, No, 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.960 he showed people at home goods conventions. How you could 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.080 you know, clean up a spilled legos with the new 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.280 sucomatic seven thousand, so, you know, but this whole time though, 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.280 he still longs to be a cop, right, So, he 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.280 gets a job as a security guard. He plans to 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.960 stay there a while because one police department had noted 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.640 that he had a spotty work history. He's just all 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.560 over the place, right right, So he's like, I need 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.400 to get a job and keep it. So he keeps 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.840 this security job as long as he can so he 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.080 can show the cops that he can hold down a job. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.440 That's why he did that for someone. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.600 He ends up working there ten years, right so, and 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.960 that's why he hated it, so that and also the 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.200 job sucked. So at this point he feels his job 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.880 is beneath him. He should be a cop, a detective, 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.480 a c I s I specialized. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.880 Sorry, of course, I know people like this exactly. I 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.080 know people who get criminal justice degrees and they think 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.920 they're going to be c s I and like y'all 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.640 get the sunglass for prince and also somehow arresting people 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.000 and also like you know, cross examining exactly. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.560 Yeah, that's not happening for him. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:25.840 And I know people who can't get jobs as cops 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.720 with all that, and I know them and I know 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.520 exactly why they're not getting Think Jesus. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.240 Now that we know who Phil Johnson is, let's take 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.280 a little break and then I'll tell you why Phil 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.520 Johnson is not going to be the hero of this tale. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:17:06.040 I is Phil Johnson, Elizabeth sar and we're back. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.040 Yeah, Hey, what's it? 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.359 So? I was thinking about it all and break my 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.240 man Phil Johnson on He use that term by a 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.119 man loosely, but he what he should have done if 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.360 he wanted to become a copy go to the military. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.320 That's the right. You got a lot most cops are 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.359 ex military, right, so you go to the military. You 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.960 qualify yourself and these certain components of like I can 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.359 listen to orders, I can fire a gun, I can like, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.520 you know, not shoot the wrong person most of the time. Right, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:31.800 They're like, okay, you could. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.720 Be a dishonorable discharge written all over him. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.680 Probably so. Anyway, most of Phil's coworkers at the armored 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.600 truck company where he got a job, they were ex military, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.600 so they would kind of lord that over him. Anyway. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.720 As he marked his time as a security guard, still 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.440 dreaming of one day becoming a cop, he would drive 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.440 around in his armored truck listening to Rush Limbaugh's talk 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.440 radio show on the Old Am Radio dial getting radicalized, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.760 and a friend of his from that time said he 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.560 knows how all the Rush Limbaugh was making Phil Johnson 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.000 even more negative, And I quote Tam everything was a 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.400 catch twenty two. I didn't want to be around him 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.320 sometimes because he was so negative. I'm sorry, but I 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.520 can only take so much. I'm with him now. By 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.240 this point, we're ten years deep in his quest to 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.440 be a cop. Right, He's getting frustrated, getting radicalized. Phil 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.239 Johnson's telling that same friend who I just quoted that 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.320 he had so little to show for his life, he 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.879 might as well end it, right, He's getting desponded. It 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.280 got so bad his mother and sister looked into checking 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.200 him into a mental hospital, but without any health insurance 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.159 to cover it, that was not an option. The hospital 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:34.280 wouldn't even admit him. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.440 So one day that's terrible. But also now you're worried 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.320 about his mental health, well, his family. 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.480 I think that they finally had signs that were irrefutable. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.000 Yeah, that's true, okay, so I'll allow it. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.439 Thank you, thank you. I appreciate your latitude on that. 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.679