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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton Zeron Burnett. I got a question for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, do you just just out of you know,

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Speaker 2: out of the blue, would you be able to tell

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Speaker 2: me what is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Well, I have a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna flip it right back around so quickly.

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Speaker 3: Do you like beverages with bite? Do you feel like

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Speaker 3: a drink that has like a bite to it?

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Speaker 2: No, next question, you do? I do? Yes? I like yes,

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Speaker 2: but I'm really suspicious.

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Speaker 3: You love sparkling water.

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Speaker 2: I do sharp water, sharp water, sharp water, Yes, I

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Speaker 2: love that sharp water.

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Speaker 3: I can't take it.

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Speaker 2: Water with teeth. That's what I like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, toothy water.

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Speaker 2: And so also are uh did they ruin water too?

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Speaker 3: They totally ruined.

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Speaker 2: The water, dude.

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Speaker 3: So we have been getting so many messages about this

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Speaker 3: through all channels. Like a pigeon flew in my window

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Speaker 3: and it was tied to the leg. We got them

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Speaker 3: with a mashup. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised, No, Elizabeth, I'm really not surprised.

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Speaker 3: Probably I think one of the worst. And it should

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Speaker 3: be criminal and it involves seven eleven okay, and it involves.

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Speaker 2: You think they'd be more involved in this seven eleven

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Speaker 2: in other match, you don't.

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Speaker 3: Bring them up because they've been holding it and now

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Speaker 3: they just let it rip. Oh, they just it's their

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Speaker 3: tummies were small. They just opened her up. So seven

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Speaker 3: eleven got together with a company called Miracle Seltzer okay,

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Speaker 3: and they're doing this line of sparkling water specifically for

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Speaker 3: seven eleven. It's the seven select from House of miraclesure.

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Speaker 3: So there are these flavors lemon, lime, green apple, sweet orange.

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Speaker 3: You would totally grip.

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Speaker 2: On those, totally all kinds of flavor, right.

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Speaker 3: So then there's one that's called one that's called hot

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Speaker 3: Dog hot Dog Water. Yeah, it's a twist on one

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Speaker 3: of seven eleven's most beloved snacks, the Big Bite hot Dog. God,

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Speaker 3: the Big Bite hot Dog Sparkling Water combines the delicious

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Speaker 3: and watering experience of seven eleven's iconic big Bite hot

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Speaker 3: dog into one refreshing beverage catch up and mustard included. God,

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Speaker 3: on are the days of alternating bites of a hot

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Speaker 3: dog with SIPs of a beverage. Now those can go. Now,

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Speaker 3: those on the cave, I don't know. Now, those on

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Speaker 3: the goat comes up the bun for bubbles.

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Speaker 2: So does it come with a nice float of grease

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Speaker 2: like from the rollers, because otherwise it's not authentic.

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Speaker 3: Seven eleven man Marissa Jarrett, she laid it down for us.

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Speaker 3: She's an executive vice president. While crafting flavors like Lemon

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Speaker 3: lime and sweet Orange came more easily, our journey took

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Speaker 3: an unexpected turn with the creation of Big Bite hot

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Speaker 3: Dog Sparkling Water, a daring flavor that pushes the boundaries

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Speaker 3: of flavor innovation. You know, the press release goes on

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Speaker 3: and on, but let me tell you something more. Details

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Speaker 3: on the availability of this flavor will be revealed on

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Speaker 3: April first.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, there we go.

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Speaker 3: There it is. I think that's part of it. But

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Speaker 3: in the meantime, the rest of the lineup is available

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Speaker 3: at seven elevens, so I think it's totally fake. But

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Speaker 3: I was like, hot dog flavored water, Where have I

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Speaker 3: heard that? And then I remembered that's the name of

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Speaker 3: olymp Biscuit album, hot Dog Water. It's a chocolate starfish

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Speaker 3: and the hot dog flavored water, So like, I google

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Speaker 3: it right, and that said, you know how sometimes they

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Speaker 3: have like people also ask and it tells you other

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Speaker 3: Google searches, and it said, what is the meaning of chocolate?

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Speaker 3: Starfish and the hot dog flavored water?

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, what is the meaning of chocolate?

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Speaker 3: And it just says the human anus. The first part

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Speaker 3: of the title is a slang term for the human anus.

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Speaker 3: And then hot dog flavored water is an in joke

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Speaker 3: started by Wes Borland at a truck stop while the

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Speaker 3: band was on tour where Borland saw bottles of crystal

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Speaker 3: guys or flavored water and made a joke about having

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Speaker 2: So he was just ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 3: He was ahead of the curve. Royalties, that, friends, is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I'll give it to you.

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Speaker 3: You should.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what the it's ridiculous. No, twenty one

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Speaker 2: cubic feet of cash. That is ridiculous, right, that's ridiculous, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: One man, one man stole twenty one cubic feet of.

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Speaker 3: Cash, twenty one cubic feet.

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Speaker 2: And his brother got away with it. Oh for a

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Speaker 2: very long time. This is his story. Done Dune. This

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Speaker 2: is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and calms. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Very oh, Elizabeth, Oh zaren

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Speaker 2: Philip Johnson. Yeah, sure, Phil Johnson, my man Johnson, Philly

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Speaker 2: j Elizabeth. This story I'm about le on you is

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Speaker 2: a Cohen Brothers style story, but like the later movies,

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Speaker 2: not the early goofy ones. Yeah, this is a it's

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Speaker 2: a crime story. This dude, Phil Johnson. Right, he was

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Speaker 2: a meticulous man. He was a smart man. He was

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Speaker 2: a cynical man, Elizabeth. He wasn't also an angry man,

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Speaker 2: and he was a lonely.

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Speaker 3: Man and a hungry man the time of very hungry.

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Speaker 2: The time of our story, Phil Johnson was thirty three

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Speaker 2: years old, which you know what that means. He was

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Speaker 2: in his Jesus year. He was in his Jesus here,

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Speaker 2: and my man, Phil Johnson was a major league screw up.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. A former co worker, Larry Taylor he said,

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Speaker 2: and I quote he chow up for work late or

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Speaker 2: not at all. Everything he did he screwed up. One

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Speaker 2: of his neighbors said that Phil Johnson quote just couldn't

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Speaker 2: get anywhere in life. He was always talking about his

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Speaker 2: disappointments and his job didn't pay good. It was always

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Speaker 2: negative things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, usually they talked to a neighbor and they're like

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Speaker 3: he was just the nicest.

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Speaker 2: Fellaw totally or else, like, you know, they were really bizarre. Now,

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Speaker 2: his own sister said of her brother Phil that he

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Speaker 2: quote lived in a world of pain. Oh yeah, Now

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Speaker 2: what was that world of pain? What was the job

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Speaker 2: that he hated? And what was he so terrible at doing? Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I any guesses. No, I'll just tell you. He was

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Speaker 2: a courier for Loomis Fargo. They are like the armored

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Speaker 2: car company security, like Wells Fargo.

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Speaker 3: So was he just scared all the time?

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Speaker 2: Is that why he didn't like No, No, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: so much this job terrified him or such. It would

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Speaker 2: be basically he was a guard for the armored car

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Speaker 2: and as a courier, what that means is he's the

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Speaker 2: guy who goes into the business to get the cash.

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Speaker 2: Now he's making seven dollars an hour and that was

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Speaker 2: the pay he gets to risk his life for these

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Speaker 3: That's stupid.

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Speaker 2: So that was still depressing. This is nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 3: That's a lot of risk for very little compensation.

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Speaker 2: Completely, also no health plan, no dental, no employer contributions

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Speaker 2: to his pension. In fact, there was no pension nada.

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Speaker 3: He'd be better off as like a waiter somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Completely. He worked his job for ten years and

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Speaker 2: he hated it. Yeah, right, So for one, it was routine.

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Speaker 2: It was just like literally, he drove a route, so

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Speaker 2: he picked up cash, he took it to a collection point,

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Speaker 2: same stops, over and over again. Mind numbing work, right,

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Speaker 2: Phil Johnson. He let everyone know this, right, so all

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Speaker 2: of his car workers, they knew how much he hated

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Speaker 2: also gnawed away at his self respect because he began

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Speaker 2: soon enough he'd loathe its effect on his self esteem.

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Speaker 2: Like he told a friend, this dude, Tim Gray, that

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Speaker 2: he'd likely never get married because what girl on her

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Speaker 2: kind of said, well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. He is the captain of

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Speaker 3: his own ship totally. So you know, you can complain

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Speaker 2: It all comes out of perspective too. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: seven dollars is not doing anything to decide who he is. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: but it is a factor in his conditions that he's

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Speaker 2: there was though, in this nature nurture debate. There was

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Speaker 2: the nature part of it. He had a tough family

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Speaker 2: nurture because we're not talking about like genetics being like

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Speaker 2: genetic predispositions to disease. But anyway, my point is his

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Speaker 2: parents split up when he was three years old. His

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Speaker 3: Rocks at us?

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Speaker 2: So things continue to go bitter for young Phil. By

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Speaker 2: split up. Baby of the family, Phil, he went north

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Speaker 2: the fringes of Rochester, New York. That didn't last long, though,

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Speaker 2: don't worry, because he was given over to his in

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Speaker 3: Oh god.

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Speaker 2: That also didn't last long though, thank god, because he

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that also didn't last long. He was sent

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Speaker 2: Bizarro World, Horace Greeley, He's like, go east, young man,

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Speaker 3: So like, I just I know that there are a

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Speaker 3: lot of people in this world who have to face

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. But on their behalf. I want

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Speaker 3: to go on a slapping spree.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know you do.

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Speaker 3: Just find these people.

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Speaker 2: Your hand will be read at the end of this.

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Speaker 2: Phil Johnson. Now he's back in New York. He goes

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Speaker 2: he stays with an aunt, and the aunt was a

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Speaker 2: kind steadying force in his life. He finally has someone

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Speaker 2: who's going to nurture this young boy. She pays for

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Speaker 2: the kid whose smarts has mostly been overlooked at this

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Speaker 2: point to go to a private religious school, Lima Christian

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Speaker 2: Academy in Lima, New York. Right, so finally he's got

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Speaker 2: like a good stable situation. Phil Johnson. He stays with

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Speaker 2: the first real period of stability in his entire life.

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Speaker 2: Up to this point, though the damage has been done, right,

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Speaker 2: So he's basically a young hard case. Unfortunately, so one

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Speaker 3: Right, I'd love to have someone bitter on the force.

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Speaker 2: off to Monroe Community College near Rochester, New York. Pursued

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I give myself a criminology.

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Speaker 2: Good point. Maybe I shouldn't look into this anyway. You

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Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, He's not going to go become a cop.

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Speaker 2: He tries in Jacksonville, no luck. He tries other cities

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Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know what's wrong with me right now. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's wrong with him, Like, how can

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Speaker 3: Think about the red flags this dude is sending up.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you ask Phil Johnson, he'd tell you there

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth women? No, I'll tell you. One was his back.

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Speaker 3: Ironman, I really like, I'm gonna I'm just gonna stop

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Speaker 2: Anyway, what could he get a job as Elizabeth? He

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Speaker 2: In the nineties they did. Yeah. Now, this wasn't like

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Speaker 2: he still longs to be a cop, right, So, he

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Speaker 3: That's why he did that for someone.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, of course, I know people like this exactly. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not happening for him.

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Speaker 3: And I know people who can't get jobs as cops

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Speaker 2: Now that we know who Phil Johnson is, let's take

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Speaker 4: I is Phil Johnson, Elizabeth sar and we're back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, what's it?

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Speaker 2: So? I was thinking about it all and break my

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Speaker 2: man Phil Johnson on He use that term by a

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Speaker 2: That's the right. You got a lot most cops are

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Speaker 2: to cover it, that was not an option. The hospital

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Speaker 2: I think that they finally had signs that were irrefutable.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate your latitude on that.

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Speaker 2: There was a neighbor June Glover, an older lass who

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Speaker 2: she'd asked him, rather if when he was complaining about

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Speaker 2: And Phil Johnson told her he couldn't do that because

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Speaker 3: He's mad.

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Speaker 2: He's mad at God, So talk to him.

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Speaker 3: Ironed out.

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Speaker 2: So when what would Phil Johnson do now that he's

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Speaker 2: can't get a shot? Well, he decided, you know, I

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Speaker 2: So he worked out a plan. He studied how he

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Speaker 2: was time to strike. It was time to become the

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Speaker 2: now who wants to find old Phil Johnson?

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Speaker 3: I have to say this doesn't include our one percent correct,

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Speaker 2: he's too pathetic to kill. No, I mean like he

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyway. So this was March twenty ninth,

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Speaker 3: So Phil, he doesn't have to use his aka exactly today.

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Speaker 2: drove his busted VW Rabbit to work. He showed up

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00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 2: his normal shift and on his normal shift, I told

438
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 2: you he was a courier. Sure, yeah, yeah, No, Elizabeth,

439
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 2: are you familiar, because if you're unfamiliar with the industry jargon,

440
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing around the courier. That's the security guard

441
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 2: who hops out of the armored car and they go

442
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 2: into the business alone but armed, and then they collect

443
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 2: the heavy canvas bag of cash. They guard it as

444
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 2: they securely transport it back to the armored truck. Inside

445
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: the armor truck is where the doors they are they

446
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 2: have to remain locked. And there this is all policy,

447
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 2: by the way.

448
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's like the runner.

449
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: He's like the runner, but they call him the courier, right,

450
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: and then the inside there's the driver, right, and then

451
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 2: if there was another guy, then maybe he'd be the shotgun. Okay, right,

452
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,879
Speaker 2: So the guards of the truck they have gun ports

453
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 2: that they are allowed to shove the barrel out of

454
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: and then they can fire at the bad guys. But

455
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 2: they're in, but they're not allowed to open the doors.

456
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: So if he's out there getting robbed, they're just they

457
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: can just watch or like possibly take shots everybody exactly,

458
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 2: So things see why he's really did not like his job.

459
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 2: He's just basically expendable for seven dollars an hour. Yeah,

460
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 2: but he was given a bulletproof vest and I know

461
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: how much you love those, and also a thirty eight pistol.

462
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 3: Right, that's something I mentioned on the Daily Zite.

463
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 2: Guys.

464
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that bulletproof vests are overrated because a

465
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 3: head shot usually kills you right away pretty much. So

466
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 3: how's that going to help me?

467
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: Not much?

468
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: Right, So you were saying, but a lot.

469
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: Of people notice you for center mask because it's an

470
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: easier target than a person's heads.

471
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: Right, But you were saying, I said you should have

472
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 3: like a bulletproof balaklava. Yeah, you were saying, you want

473
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 3: like a cobra commander.

474
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 2: A cowl, a mask. Yeah, I want draping.

475
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: I want like I want a kevlar bubble. Just roll

476
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 3: down the street. So anyway, continue.

477
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: Like a like a fish bowl, like just round.

478
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: And perfect, like a Jake Gillenhall boy in the bubble.

479
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 3: Uh huh a diving bad allergies.

480
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 2: Allergic to a full bubble surrounding your head. I got you.

481
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: I can totally see you. So, after completing their regular

482
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: route Phil Johnson's armor truck, they would then return to

483
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: the Loomis Fargo warehouse to drop off all the collected cash.

484
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: Then they would get cleared by a guard to enter

485
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 2: the lot, because a whole lot is secured. Right then

486
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 2: the garage door gets open, the armored truck pulls inside.

487
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: Very nineteen thirties, as you pointed out, Yeah, I love it.

488
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: As soon as the armor truck is parked, the driver

489
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 2: he's done for his day. He can clock out, He's

490
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,640
Speaker 2: done his whole thing, right that, Yeah, you're out, man,

491
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: But Phil Johnson he has to stay behind and process

492
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 2: the load and then he'd be done. He got to

493
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: process the load bro some load man. So this was,

494
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: by the way, on this night, well, he was the

495
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: last truck to return to the warehouse. So at night

496
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: it's about seven pm. Phil Johnson is a loan, which

497
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: is two vault guards who are left working inside the

498
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: warehouse because they also have to clear the load with him.

499
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 2: There as by the way, are Dan Smith and James Brown. Yes,

500
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: the godfather of Saul was working at it. Truly the

501
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: hardest working ship man in show business. You know, different

502
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: James Brown. But at seven pm or so, this James Brown,

503
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: Dan Smith and Phil Johnson they are in the warehouse right,

504
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 2: And that's kind of like.

505
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: The most generic names totally.

506
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: I mean they're just like AI generic names, but not

507
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: even AI, because a I would mess it up totally.

508
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 2: So Phil Johnson he draws his thirty eight on his

509
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: fellow guards. They're like, hey, that's not funny, man, don't

510
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 2: point that at me. And he's like, no, no, man,

511
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: I got to drop on you. They're like, yeah, you

512
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: got to drop on me. He's like, I got to

513
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 2: drop on you.

514
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: Well, you'll never become a cop act like that.

515
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: That's so he's like, yeah, Josh, your weapons over here.

516
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: So then they do, and then he's like, okay, no,

517
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: handcuff yourself to the floor because apparently the floor had

518
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: like metal rings or something to it.

519
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 3: So they were like, that's convenient. Are you handcuffing yourself?

520
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: So Dan Smith he was the younger man, Elizabeth he

521
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: was about twenty seven. James Brown he was an old

522
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 2: vet of the game. He was fifty two. These two

523
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: men weren't expecting to be robbed, right, So but they

524
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: were like, as I told you, they're basically handling paperwork

525
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: on this last load of the night. They're like all

526
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: the just about to get home. Now they're getting handcuffed

527
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: and shackled to the floor. So they're like, oh, yes,

528
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: a Friday night man. So Phil Johnson he walks out

529
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: of the yard. He grabs a white fourd a conoline van,

530
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: backs it up to the loading dock for the vault area.

531
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: And then this is a picture you just your standard

532
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: stretch white van, nothing special about it, like something a

533
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: church group would use, right Phil Johnson. He loads heavy

534
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: canvas cash bags like these bags aren't they're stuffed full

535
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: with bills? Right? None of the bills are smaller than

536
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: a ten dollars bill. Oh, and he loads the canvas

537
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: cash bags into the back of the van for two hours,

538
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: he loads cash bags by himself, two solid hours toss

539
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: and bags.

540
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: Wow.

541
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: The money, by the way, was perfect for a heist

542
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: because it was all from convenience stores, gas stations, liquor stores,

543
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: fat food joints, grocery.

544
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 3: Stores riddled with bacteria.

545
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: What do you have within the bacteria is unmarked non

546
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 2: sequential bills, Yeah, exactly, and a ton of them collected

547
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: from business. It's impossible to track this cash. So the

548
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: van is now loaded with millions in cash. Phil Johnson

549
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: he walks over to the surveillance security system. He removes

550
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: the videotapes recording the security cam footage. Then he went

551
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: and pulls his personnel file took it with him. Lastly,

552
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: he locked the vault and said it to so it

553
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't be open until Sunday afternoon thanks to the timelock.

554
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: Then he goes back. He unshackled James Brown and Dan Smith.

555
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: James smooths his pressed hair.

556
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: My pop is cocked. So he told them to hop

557
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: in the van, lie down on top of the bags

558
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: of money and do as instructed, or he would ventilate them. Right,

559
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to you, see with my heat

560
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: at Phil Johnson. He starts the van up. He calmly

561
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: drives out of the secured warehouse. He drives with the

562
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: eighteen point eight million dollars he's managed in another van. No,

563
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: they're in the back in the van with them, just

564
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: lying on their cash. Yeah, he's got a plan, Elizabeth. Okay,

565
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: Now this eighteen point eight million in twenty twenty four dollars,

566
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: double it, it would be thirty six point three million. Wow,

567
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson has he's got his thirty six million. Basically

568
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: it's eighteen point eight. But anyway, where do you think

569
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 2: he went with his loot and his two co workers

570
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: that you questioned him bringing along.

571
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: I don't know the waterfront.

572
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: No, he went home. He drove to his place. He

573
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: went back to his house. He had a three bedroom house,

574
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: a nice little Tony joint about a mile away from

575
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: the warehouse. By nine pm, he pulls into his place.

576
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: He's like, sorry for the mess, guys. He took James

577
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: Brown out of the van, he led him inside the

578
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: house and then none of the neighbors saw the two

579
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: men go inside apparently. But once inside, Phil Johnson, he

580
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: handcuffs the old vet James Brown to a metal pipe

581
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: right now that James Brown is sitting there, and this

582
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: is a pipe that is running through a closet. He's

583
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 2: like in a closet and he's like attached to like

584
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 2: one of the big metal like you know, okay, yeah, okay.

585
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: So he leaves him some snacks in a two gallon

586
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: jug of water, you know, for his blood sugar. He's

587
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: an older guy, thoughtful, I thought. Then Phil Johnson, he goes,

588
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: he calls back into the white floor to cond of

589
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: line van and he lays a blanket over Dan Smith

590
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: and he's like we're gonna roll. And he fired that

591
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: bad boy back to life. And he drove Dan Smith

592
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: and the stolen millions away, right, they drove all through

593
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: the night. Elizabeth. He's like humming songs to him, like

594
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: sing along dad. So and he tells Dance Smith if

595
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: he by the way, if you try to get away,

596
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: you try to do anything stupid, I am prepared to

597
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: kill you. Okay, now worry what song you want to sing?

598
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 3: Right?

599
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: So eventually he has to pull the van over. I

600
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: don't know if it's for a bio break or for

601
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: gas or whatever. He tells Dan to lay there, covered

602
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: by the blanket, handcuffed. Mind you to the van and

603
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: he wanted to see, Like, you know, do you want

604
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: to live to see the next day? Then just be cool, right?

605
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: Dance Smith is like, I want to see tomorrow, so

606
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: he acts cool. Phil Johnson meanwhile unloads the cash and

607
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: does some unseen secure location. Because Dance Smith's covered with

608
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: the heavy blanket, Phil Johnson gets back in the van

609
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: drives off again. They drive for four hours. Dan Smith

610
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: has no idea what direction where they're going right. Then

611
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 2: suddenly actually what he doesn't know is he's missing out

612
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: on a great drive because they were on the Blue

613
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Ridge Parkway. Really nice. It would have been better for

614
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: the autumn, but it was the spring anyway, so beautiful drive.

615
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: So this is also, by the way, now Easter Sunday

616
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: because the days have passed.

617
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: And if it was me, I'd be car sick.

618
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah you do. So the van pulls over the backwoods

619
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: outside Ashville, North Carolina. Oh right, Phil Johnson uncuffed Dan

620
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: and he's like, you're not going to saying get out.

621
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: Right, So he find a cute coffee.

622
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: Shop something that we can do, and do it somewhere

623
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 2: we can take photos. So they order. He orders him

624
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: out of the van right. He handcuffs him to a tree.

625
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: Then he leaves him some snacks in another jug of water.

626
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: Once again, very thoughtful, He tells Dan Smith, look, man,

627
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the cops where to find you. Just

628
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: wait forty eight hours and then they'll come out and

629
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: get you right now. If Elizabeth, I was curious about

630
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: this when I was doing the research on this, if

631
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: a co worker abducted you, drove you out to the

632
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: woods in North Carolina, handcuffed you to a tree, that said,

633
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: trust me, I'm going to alert the cops, would you

634
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: believe them?

635
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: No?

636
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Dan Smith was our kind of guy, because Elizabeth,

637
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: you know what he had in his pocket? It is no,

638
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't happy to see you. A Swiss army knife.

639
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: Oh.

640
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: We used it to pick the handcuffs and he freed

641
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: himself within an hour.

642
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: Good for her.

643
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, then he walked out of the woods.

644
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: That's why you gotta always carry you know what do

645
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 3: I know you do?

646
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: He flagged down. A passing motorist asked for a ride

647
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: to the closest authorities he was given a ride to

648
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: the US Forest Service station because that was the closest

649
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: authorities like, how about a park ranger? Yeah, god's good,

650
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: they got a badge. So I Meanwhile, my man Phil Johnson,

651
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: he's initiating the second part of his plan, getting away

652
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: with it. So back in Jacksonville, it's Sunday morning. The

653
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: morning shift at Louis Fargo has a arrived for work

654
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: and discovered the vault was locked. The supervisor phoned the police.

655
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: Cops arrived. They asked to see the security camo footage

656
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: from the night before. Supervisor took them to the surveillance room,

657
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: where they discovered there are no tapes of the night before.

658
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Things looked rough for the investigating officers. But this is

659
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: when the Jacksonville Police received a call from the cops

660
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. They had this guy who had gone

661
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: to the Park Service and now they got into it

662
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: all the way to the police. They told him the

663
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: Jacksonville cops said, is what Dan Smith had told them.

664
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: Together with the FBI, the Jacksonville Pd raced over to

665
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson's house. They raid the house and what do

666
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: they find. No brown in a closet exactly they find

667
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: James Brown in the closet. No Phil Johnson though, So

668
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: the FBI Field agency starts the whole home. They discover

669
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: all sorts of clues. There was paperwork that showed Phil

670
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: Johnson had definitely secured fake identities. There was some tourist

671
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: books that indicated he may have cut out for Brazil.

672
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: It's like Brazil and five dollars now. So all in all,

673
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: the investigators find that Phil Johnson had been planning his

674
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: heist for five years.

675
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

676
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: So it took him five years of being a security

677
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: guard before he's like, forget all this, I'm gonna go

678
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: become a lawless outlaw.

679
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

680
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: So they also found that Phil Johnson had painted a

681
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: personal mantra on the walls of one of his homes.

682
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: He painted three words Elizabeth House of Pain. I don't

683
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: think he was like a super fan of the band

684
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: get Down exactly. I think I think he said, look,

685
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: look y'all, I came to get down. I came to

686
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: get down, So get up in your seat and jump

687
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: arou right is because jump jump jump his his house

688
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: of pain.

689
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: That her mom, I came, I know that about you. Right.

690
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: So, now that the FBI has their main suspect the

691
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: ever last number one fan. The NPI launches a nationwide

692
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: man hunt. But what was Phil Johnson up to?

693
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: He was in the wind.

694
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: Well, he ditched the white Florida Connoline van.

695
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: Good call, I'm interested to find out what that stop was.

696
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's where he dumped off the money.

697
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, where is that?

698
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly. Well, we do know that he dumped the

699
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: Florida Connoline van at the National Guard Armory parking lot.

700
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: That would take a while to notice. Kind of smart.

701
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: Thank you for your serving. Yeah.

702
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: The FBI checked the transportation records of all the various airports,

703
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: bus stations, train stations, and they found evidence that suspected

704
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson, using one of his fake identities, had bought

705
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: a Greyhound ticket to Mexico and most likely fled the country.

706
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: Oh man at Greyhound in Mexico.

707
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: At this point, he has a five year head start

708
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: in terms of planning. Right, He's been underestimated his entire life.

709
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: Oh and now he's showed the law enforcement community what

710
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: they've been missing out on. And he's got the eighteen

711
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: point eight million dollars to fuel his revenge too, and

712
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: had done it, ripped off his employer, he's successfully gotten away,

713
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: but it gone on the lamb. He was laying low

714
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: and staying there for months. Wow, the FBI had no

715
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: solid leaves. Jacksonville PD had even fewer. Finally, on July

716
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven, Washington Post published a star

717
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: at the headline and I quote, have you seen this man?

718
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: He's thirty three, single, lonely, grouchy, rumpled, and very possibly

719
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: the richest thief who ever lived. God get him Washington Palace.

720
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: He's homely, exactly, grouchy, grumpled. I mean, he could use

721
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: an iron, That's what I'm saying.

722
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: Poke the bear. They're trying to get him all upset.

723
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. Louis Fargo, meanwhile, is furious. The

724
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: company has offered half a million dollars for any information

725
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: that would lead to Phil Johnson's whereabouts or his arrest.

726
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: No one's coming forward. Mike Hurd, the FBI field agent

727
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: in charge of the man hunt, said, and I quote,

728
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: he looks like anybody, So go find him and we'll

729
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: give you a half million. Like we got nothing, y'all.

730
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: Therobo for the FBI was that they had their hands

731
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: full with a far more high profile purp at the time,

732
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: the killer Andrew Kanana yea, yeah, he was on his

733
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: cross country killing spree. At this point. The FBI was

734
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: very much focused on calculating Florida exactly. There was another

735
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: factor that also made it difficult to capture Phil Johnson.

736
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 2: He was wholly unremarkable looking. He was a nondescript wife guy.

737
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: His blonde hair was his most distinguishing feature, and blonde

738
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: hair can easily be dyed so effectively. His plainness made

739
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: him invisible. Yes, finally working out for Elizabeth. At this

740
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: point April April okay so and his old friends, they

741
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: were shocked to learn what he'd been up to lately.

742
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: His friend Tim Gray was at a funeral, yeah, about

743
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: his old buddy Phil Johnson had done. And somebody told him,

744
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 2: did you hear Phil Johnson gave himself a raise sou

745
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: Southern humor. Now you know who was also impressed. The

746
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: Guinness Book of World Records. Mark Young, the editor of

747
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: the US edition of the Guinness Book of World Records,

748
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 2: when he heard that Phil Johnson what he had done,

749
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: he said, and I quote damned impressive. Actually twenty million,

750
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: and he's still out there.

751
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: He's rounding up on him.

752
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Vin, do you think he'd be better on

753
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: the stats?

754
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: Right?

755
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: But he was so impressed because his young well knows.

756
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson had obliterated the old record for the most

757
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: money ever stolen in a heist. The previous record was

758
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: eleven million dollars stolen from an armored car vault in

759
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: New York City. Now around the world, the record was

760
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: a disputed amount because it was somewhere between twenty and

761
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. Yeah, I don't know which was stolen

762
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: from the vault in safe deposit boxes of the British

763
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: Bank of the Middle East in Bay Route. Oh, but

764
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: that wasn't one man. That was a whole heist team

765
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: and they'd use bombs. So you know, Phil Johnson, he

766
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: just used routine and cleverness to rip off eighteen point

767
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: eight Yeah, solid, indisputable right now, do you know how

768
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: much money that is?

769
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: I mean physically, well, what were you saying some about

770
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: cubic feet?

771
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: Yes, twenty one twenty one cubic FEETLLEA, that's moving that

772
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: much cash would have been insane workout. Mike heard the FBI agent.

773
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: He estimated that the amount Phil Johnson stole as he said,

774
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: I quote, I'm told the dimensions were roughly twenty one

775
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: cubic feet. That's a heck of a lot of money.

776
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a heck of a lot of money.

777
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: You said it might urg Yeah. Now, if you took

778
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: those big Duffel bags that you like that can hold

779
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: a dead body, yes, one one cubic feet of cash

780
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: would fill about six of those Duffle bags. That's how

781
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: much we're talking. If you try to deposit the money

782
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: at a different banks in order not to raise suspicions,

783
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: you'd have to stay under like that ten thousand dollars

784
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: mark so the bank wouldn't report it. That means you'd

785
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: have to go to one and eighty banks before you'd

786
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: be good. Huh right. You can wash the money, but

787
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: you have to trust someone. You could hide it. You

788
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: could bury it, wrap it up, paint it like a

789
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: fake bowlder, you know whatever. But I don't recommend burying

790
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: money because it will rot in the ground, and if

791
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: you leave it sitting somewhere, rats will sometimes eat it.

792
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Ask my man Pablo Escobar about that. So what's a

793
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: self respecting mastermind to do with your twenty one feet

794
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: a cubic feet mind you of cash. I don't know

795
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: well after this break a little, but I will tell you.

796
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: Oh Elizabeth, goodness, we're burke. We're burke. So now that

797
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: we're back, dude phil Johnson, Right, His sister provided some

798
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: insight as to what kind of guy they were dealing with, right,

799
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: ZIBII was like investigating everybody, talking everybody, and he was like,

800
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: to her, he was very clearly more of an outlaw

801
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: folk hero than anybody else would have fought, right, she said,

802
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: And I quote, if Philip even has the money, if

803
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: he hasn't buried it somewhere, he'll probably just give it away,

804
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: find an orphanage or something in South America and just

805
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: give it to them.

806
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 3: Hmmm. I haven't seen any evidence of that, but you

807
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: know what, that's his sister. She knows best.

808
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. You you would think that,

809
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: uh that from our the read you have, right, but

810
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: remember the bitterness was an acquired quality of his before

811
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: the bitterness inside the onion layer years of his soul.

812
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: There is a kind hearted kid in there, right, And

813
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: so she also hinted at the sister at what his

814
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 2: motivations were for stealing the money, other than proving that

815
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: the cops should have hired him, Like obviously that's job

816
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: number one, right, But other than that, his sister said,

817
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson wanted revenge. In other words, he was still

818
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: mad at God. So you want to him attack and

819
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: dethrone cop does job number two? Right, So Sharon said

820
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: it I quote really, that's what this is all about,

821
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: payback to show the world what morons wels Fargo is

822
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: because Philip never cared about the money, right, So she's like,

823
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: he wants to get back at his boss to get

824
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: the cops and God, he doesn't care about the money.

825
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: His old high school buddy and this dude named Shaeffer,

826
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: he noted that you could trace a straight line back

827
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: to Phil Johnson's old Suparu. Oh He's like, yeah, when

828
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: he was he was a super he was a boo owner.

829
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: So they were in a high school and his old

830
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: Subaru was, as Shaeffer put a quote, so roached. It

831
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: was a wonder they let him drive it. But he

832
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: loved it because it was beat so right, a little

833
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: insight there, Now, Phil Johnson, was he still getting even

834
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: with life or because he didn't really do it for

835
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: the money.

836
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: Apparently, sure that people made him feel like he wasn't smart. Yes,

837
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: and so either because he couldn't get these jobs or

838
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: at work, it's probably so like not intellectually challenging. So

839
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: he's showing like, you know, I can outsmart all of you.

840
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: You're morons.

841
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 2: You're the morons, not me, you too, God?

842
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got God's like, let us wait and see.

843
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: I think the amount that he picked up was to

844
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: get attention, he guys, clearly. I think he wanted to

845
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: be a big score. So that way he would you know,

846
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: which he most certainly got. So back to the question

847
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: at hand, what would he do with the stolen Lucci?

848
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: As his pal high school pal Shaeffer suggested, quote, has

849
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: he just taken enough to live on and ditch the rest?

850
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put it past him to sit there and

851
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: burn twenty million and keep one of it as a

852
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: SPI thing close to him. Suggest he doesn't give a yeah,

853
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, a feather or a fig about this, right? Yeah,

854
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: So anyway, Phil Johnson, Son of the House of Pain, right,

855
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: what is he up to? This outlaw folk hero of

856
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: the busted and beat? Where is he Elizabeth? And what

857
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: is he doing with all the stolen cash.

858
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: What do you think did he make it to Mexico?

859
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: He was indeed in Mexico. He made it out of

860
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: the country. He deposited some of the money in Mexican banks,

861
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: not eighteen hundred of them, but some of the money.

862
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: He floated around. He played the happy gringo once again, nondescript, forgettable,

863
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: blends in with all the other, like you know, jerks

864
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: down there embarrassing themselves.

865
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: Six giant uffel bags with them.

866
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Exactly six body bags of cash. Meanwhile, the FBI is

867
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: scouring the North Carolina woods. He was looking for a clue.

868
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: The white Ford, a Connoline van eventually gets called in.

869
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: The FBI investigates that vehicle. It offers very little inevidence

870
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: or clues. Like I said, dude was meticulous. They got nothing,

871
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: not even a hair out of it. Right, so THEI

872
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: They tracked though a series of suspicious bus tickets. They

873
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: believe that Phil Johnson bought a Greyhound ticket to Atlanta.

874
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: Then he bought a ticket to Brownsville, Texas. At the

875
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: border town, he bought another bus ticket into Mexico, and

876
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: agents eventually found evidence supported this theory. They found proof

877
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: that Phil Johnson had spent some nights in Mexico. But

878
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: after that trail went cold, not a boom, right, They're like,

879
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do with this guy? Now? Loomis Fargo,

880
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: the security company, they had their own team to investigate,

881
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: so they said, you go down and find Phil Johnson.

882
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: Right.

883
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: The FBI. Meanwhile, they turned up a phone call to

884
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: a local Ashville, North Carolina TV station that had alerted

885
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: the news department where there was a man handcuffed in

886
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: the woods. So he was good to yeah, and the

887
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: FBI trade he tried to trace the call and back

888
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: to my man, Mike Hurd, the lead FBI field agent,

889
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: he said, we don't know. He made some noise about

890
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: ma Bell because it was very much like coming out

891
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: of the breakup of the Bell phone phone company. So

892
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, with mob Bell, there's just so many

893
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: phone companies. I mean, can you tell me how many

894
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: phone companies there are? Yeah, come on, FBI. Anyway, the FBI,

895
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: they turned to USA Today, all right, and they took

896
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: out a full page ad.

897
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: So they asked him, some people in hotels across.

898
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Exactly, put down your croissant and your medium coffee and

899
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: tell me have you seen this man. He's surly, he's ornery,

900
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: he's rumpled, so grouchy.

901
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: It's like everybody.

902
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: They started asking for information leading to the arrest of

903
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson. They get nothing. Right Still, they spent months

904
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: of digging. They have very few leads. They have found

905
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: one thing that will help them, Phil Johnson's fake identities.

906
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: They found the paperwork. They connected the dots on that.

907
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: They found that one of the fake identities was in

908
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: the name of his half brother, another was in the

909
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: name of a high school friend, and another was an

910
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: old roommate.

911
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 3: So if he knows he's gonna have to skip out,

912
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: why leave any evidence in the house.

913
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm surprised by that too. He's meticulous

914
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: about everything, but he leaves behind that. I was surprised

915
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: by That'd be quite honest with You.

916
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: Do a burn pit in the neighbor's yard, exactly right, just.

917
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: Be regularly burning leaves. So the FBI struggled to get

918
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: the public to care about this problem. Right, So now

919
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: we got this outlaw full caro who's not really a

920
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 2: full caro because nobody cares about him. Right, So Phil

921
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: Johnson's is overlooked and ignored. So meanwhile, there's a guy

922
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: who worked at the local Jacksonville radio stations, Guy al Wells.

923
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: He writes a full caro ballad for Phil Johnson.

924
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: Good is like a morning Zoo type totally.

925
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: But even he noted how forgettable Phil Johnson was, and

926
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: he said, and I quote, what's really hurt the guy

927
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: in terms of turning into a PR coup another dB

928
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: Cooper is his name, so dull Philip Johnson, Even I

929
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: can't remember it. So there's your songwriter, Disny months from

930
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: now passing the now international manhunt has produced not a

931
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: bubb GISs ziltch.

932
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 3: Right.

933
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: It's almost as if that was the problem. Because Phil

934
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: Johnson he'd always wanted to rub his outlaw success in

935
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: the face of the law enforcement community who rejected him,

936
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: and he couldn't even do that because they were like, oh,

937
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna stop looking at this guy. So whatever, he

938
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: got eighteen point eight million, but eventually he did something

939
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: about it. Essentially he got their attention again, or at

940
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: least that's how it seems to me. I don't know

941
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: if it was intentional, but sure I like it. Right.

942
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: My point is, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your

943
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: eyes as I'd like you to picture it. It's August thirtieth,

944
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, and Elizabeth, you are in Brownsville, Texas.

945
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you, but it's been a

946
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: hot wire. So you are down there at the US

947
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Mexico border crossing across the river from Matemoros, Mexico, and

948
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: you're working at the border. That's right, you are a

949
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: US customs agent. It's already been a long day, a

950
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: hot day, and you can hear the air conditioning as

951
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: it hums above the soft din of waiting border crossers,

952
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: but you don't really feel that air conditioning. All around

953
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: you families and laborers, mixed with salespeople and business commuters,

954
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: most of all of them are Mexicans or Americans returning home.

955
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: You are, in fact the supervisor for this border station,

956
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: and at the moment you walk among your border agents,

957
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: stopping momentarily at each agent's kiosk to observe how they

958
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: greet and process the incoming travelers. You see a Youngish

959
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: American man step up to a border guard's kiosk as

960
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 2: you settled in to observe the agent's demeanor and professionalism.

961
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: You run a tight ship, Elizabeth, and have high expectation

962
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: for your agents. You note that this agent asked by

963
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: wrote with a flat affected delivery the first question, what

964
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: was the purpose of your visit to Mexico. The agent

965
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: you're observing is named Virginia Rodriguez. She's processing the intake

966
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: for a line of travelers, most of whom just stepped

967
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: off of an america An inbound bus. While she may

968
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: be going through the motions, You're pleased to see that

969
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: Agent Rodriguez's attention snaps to a sharp focus as soon

970
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: as the agent detects that the Youngish man standing before

971
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: her is particularly nervous. When he was asked what the

972
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: purpose was of his visit to Mexico, he paused for

973
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: a moment, Elizabeth, A long moment, one you noticed, and

974
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: then he said, to visit friends. That caught your attention,

975
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: and it peaked Agent Rodriguez's suspicions. She repeats his answer

976
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: back to him, to visit friends. The Youngish man replies, Yeah,

977
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: that's it, Yeah, her friends. You have to stifle a

978
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: laugh at this man's poor impression of John Lovett's pathological

979
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: liar character from SNL back in the day. Meanwhile, Agent

980
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 2: Rodriguez hones in on the truth. She has to see

981
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: proof of the man's identity, a driver's license, a passport.

982
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: The youngish man pulls out a North Carolina driver's license.

983
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: You hear Agent Rodriguez pronounce the name on the license,

984
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: Roger Lauder. That's your name, sar. The man answers in

985
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: the affirmative. You watch over Agent Rodriguez's shoulder as she

986
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: types in the name Roger Locker into her computer terminal.

987
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: The cursor on the green and black screen flashes as

988
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: the computer retreats information, and then boom upflashes a warning.

989
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: The name Roger Lauder is a known alias for the

990
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: suspect who robbed the Loomis Fargo warehouse in Jacksonville, Florida.

991
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: Agent Rodriguez spins coolly around, looks at you, her supervisor.

992
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: You give her that steely look and a pert smile.

993
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: Then you turn your attention to two waiting border security guards.

994
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: You give the signal to the armed border guards. The

995
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: two guards move quickly, professionally. They approach from either side

996
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: of the young man. Then he sees your attention has shifted.

997
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: He spins around on his heels in time to see

998
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: the two border guards just as they march up on him.

999
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: They grabbed by the arms. Sir, if you'll come with us,

1000
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: you give a quick congratulations to Agent Rodriguez for her

1001
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: astute eye for a suspicious traveler. Then you followed the

1002
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: sound of the two armed border security guards boots as

1003
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 2: they lead the young suspect into an unmarked back room

1004
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: for first questioning, and boom, just like that, Philip Johnson

1005
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: was caught. Nice congratulations, you and your team busted Phil Johnson, Elizabeth,

1006
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: the man with the single largest armored car heist in

1007
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: US history.

1008
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: Thank you so much as them, Yeah, we did well.

1009
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: After confirming his real identity, the custom agents turned over

1010
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson to the FBI. The g men held him

1011
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: on charges of armed robbery as well as kidnapping, interstate

1012
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: flight to avoid prosecution, and now he was surrounded by

1013
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: law enforcement agents up which ironically was where he always

1014
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: wanted to be, right he made it. After questioning, the

1015
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: FBI learned that Johnson used the birth certificate of a

1016
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: former roommate to get a driver's license in the new

1017
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: of Roger Lauder. Same for his other fake IDs. Now,

1018
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: at the time of his arrest, he had ten seven

1019
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: hundred and fourteen dollars on him in cash roughly another

1020
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: sixty five thousand dollars that he deposited in eight different

1021
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: Mexican banks. After five months on the lamp, Phil Johnson

1022
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: had spent how much of the money?

1023
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: Well, I mean what he's got less than one hundred

1024
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: grand they accounted for at this point totally at eighteen

1025
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: point eight mil.

1026
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty six thousand dollars, that's all he

1027
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: spent over five months. When he's got this big score,

1028
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: he clearly was not in it for the money. The

1029
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: rest of the stall in eighteen point eight million was

1030
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: located in a storage facility in the town of Mountain Home,

1031
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: North Carolina. So just some random storage facility sitting there

1032
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: eighteen point eight millions.

1033
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: What if it had gone what if he hadn't paid

1034
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 3: for the facility and then someone.

1035
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: Else would get it for like four grand? Yep. That's

1036
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: always my goal, my goal in life. You talk about

1037
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: winning the lottery, I want to buy a storage unit

1038
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: that has like is part of a major crime, and

1039
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: then I get all the cash and I don't tell

1040
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: anybody what happened.

1041
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: Though.

1042
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: He bought a storagin and retired.

1043
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: And he just pays cash for everything.

1044
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 2: From Canada. So, as you might guess, mister House of Pain,

1045
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: he was unfriendly when he was arrested and he was

1046
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: called belligerent. He refused to cooperate. Yeah, he was still

1047
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: kind of rumpled and grouchy. But however, eventually his better

1048
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: instincts kicked in. He pleaded guilty to charges of it

1049
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 2: interfering with interstate commerce, money laundering, kidnapping, all the charges

1050
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: they threw at him. He was eventually tried, convicted, and

1051
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: sentenced to twenty five years in prison in Colorado. Then

1052
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: he was That's where he was first incarcerated. Then he

1053
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: later was transferred to a federal facility in California, and

1054
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty Elizabeth Yamter, serving out twenty two years

1055
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: of his full twenty five year sentence. Will Johnson was

1056
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: released from prison. Yeah, not much time off.

1057
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 3: Forget, he usually don't get the full ticket.

1058
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what he was doing on the inside,

1059
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: but yeah, he wasn't making friends still, Yeah, what can

1060
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: you do. The lawyer who'd represented him in his trial

1061
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: was a man named Tom Cushman, a local Jacksonville lawyer.

1062
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: He attempted in the newspapers to sum up his former

1063
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: client and why he did what he did, and Cushman said,

1064
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: and I quote, I sincerely believe that he sincerely believed

1065
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: in what he was doing as a labor protest And

1066
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: I just say that I love that if that actually was.

1067
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: True, I love that.

1068
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: He's totally Kushman the lawyer. He also offered that I

1069
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: always like Philip. He was quiet, but he was very intense.

1070
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: Philip was very bright. He did not let on that

1071
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 2: he thought deeply or that he was very bright, but

1072
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: clearly he was. So there you go.

1073
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: I like, he didn't let on.

1074
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he couldn't tell look at him in the eye,

1075
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: but there was something big secret. His light was under

1076
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: a couple of bushels. So at this point, Philip Johnson,

1077
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: he could be in his Basically he'd be about sixty

1078
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: years old. I think, yeah, his former lawyer has no

1079
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Speaker 2: idea where to find him. He is free. He's somewhere

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Speaker 2: out there in the world. So phil Johnson, if you're listening,

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Speaker 2: good on your brother. He says, no one knows where

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Speaker 2: to find him. But I bet his sister Sharon knows

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Speaker 2: where to find him. But when the counselor was asked

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Speaker 2: where his former client might be these days, Cushman said,

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Speaker 2: and I quote, I would think that he would be

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Speaker 2: doing something very low key, avoiding publicity and all, although

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Speaker 2: it seemed to me that he had a good story

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Speaker 2: to tell. Now, Phil Johnson, if you happen to.

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Speaker 3: Hear this, two things, get a book agent.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Congrats from us. Number one on pulling off

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Speaker 2: your heist and having an exit plan like we are

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Speaker 2: so happy to her.

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Speaker 3: No one really got hurt.

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Speaker 2: No one, definitely, no one got hurt. And also well

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Speaker 2: done on all of that around the way right, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting your revenge, you know, oh it for him attacking

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Speaker 2: and dethroning God, whatever it is you're trying to be

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Speaker 2: a way to go right. But also number two, as

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth points out, get yourself a book agent, because my man,

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Speaker 2: you need to write a book. You are now a

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Speaker 2: qualified author.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you've been in prison, he's done the time.

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Speaker 3: It would be a fascinating book.

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Speaker 2: I think so, And I do, like I'm I'm with

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Speaker 2: all the people close to him. I'd like to believe

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Speaker 2: that he's just somebody who got twisted by life.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: He was a kind heart kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to know more about that, So get

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Speaker 3: a literary agent.

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Speaker 2: Dude, get hunted, get a type.

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Speaker 3: It add to our ridiculous crime library.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, paper's cheap and typewriters are still out there, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So hey, what's our ridiculous takeaway from here? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, that is one way to protest labor.

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Speaker 2: Great the labor protest, right. But if that is true,

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think it's true?

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Speaker 3: No? No, And I don't think. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: was like a big revenge thing. I think he was

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00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: just thinking, like, I could do this. I'm bored out

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Speaker 3: of my skull. I think. I think. I think he

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00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: sits there all day long and then thought about how

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Speaker 3: he would go about doing this and then realizing how

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Speaker 3: easy it could be. And yeah, I think he was

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00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: mad at him and he thought, here's my two fingers.

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Speaker 3: I'm out of here.

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Speaker 2: You take away? Thanks for asking. Martin Luther King once

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Speaker 2: said that the riot is the voice of the unheard.

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Speaker 2: I think his heist was the voice of the neglected.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's good. I like that. That's my that's my

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00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 3: takeaway too.

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Speaker 2: You're taking that one, Yeah, Davy wanting on this this

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00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 2: could be yours too, I'll take it very good. Nice. Well, hey,

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Speaker 2: while you're while you're on the mic, Hey, we're in

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Speaker 2: the mood for a talkback. How's that sound for you?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 3: Want gee hey, guys, just an idea inspired by EVP.

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Speaker 3: What if the two of you played two truths in

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00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: a lie where you each describe three crimes and the

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00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: other one has to figure out which crime was the lie.

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Speaker 2: That sounds fun.

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00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

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00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to do that?

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00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, we should totally do that. That'll be a good episode. Like, yeah,

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00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: we'll get David on this too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much much.

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Speaker 3: Talkbacker, Yeah, talker Backer.

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Speaker 2: Give it up well. As always, you can find us

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