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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another dugout edition of All the Smoke

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Speaker 1: with our final guest of this last couple of days

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Speaker 1: at All Start Week in Atlanta, twenty twenty five. Five

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Speaker 1: time All Star, arguably the greatest outfielder centerfielder of all time.

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Speaker 1: Ten consecutive go gloves. That's a lot of work. Man,

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Speaker 1: home run leader in the home run leader in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five. Welcome to the show, Andrew Jones. Thanks man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you man, a legend in the game.

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Speaker 2: We're in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: We're kind of talking about a little bit off camera,

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Speaker 1: how good it is to have it back in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: What's your schedule being like since it's been back out here.

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Speaker 3: I'm in busy man. First of all, thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me. You know, I watch it. I watch the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I like it. There's a lot of good

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Speaker 3: stories in it. So, you know, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Been busy all start getting being busy for me, I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously for a lot of full ma MLB players that

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Speaker 3: play in Atlanta. A lot of stuff that MLB trying

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Speaker 3: to get the fans involved with. You go meet and

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Speaker 3: greed here meet and greed there pictures over here and

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Speaker 3: stuff that. But you know, they're doing a good stuff

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Speaker 3: hosting the All Star Game all the time. When whatever said,

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Speaker 3: he is so obviously having a here in Atlanta, you

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Speaker 3: know since two thousand, it's been a while. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's good for the fans, it's good for the people

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Speaker 3: that work around the stadium, people that work you know,

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Speaker 3: any business and get.

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Speaker 1: Get Yeah, I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit of fatherhood.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about that. I'm actually in the middle of

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Speaker 1: coaching in Peachjam right now. As soon as I'm done

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Speaker 1: with interview, I'm gonna drive back to Augusta. Your son,

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Speaker 1: Drew was the second overall pick in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old. How did that make you

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Speaker 1: feel first and foremost to the father and what kind

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Speaker 1: of guidance do you give during his journey? I know

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Speaker 1: he's dealt with a little bit of injury, Like what

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Speaker 1: kind of mental game do you try to give him?

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Speaker 3: First of all, I mean, I'm very proud of him.

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Speaker 3: I me know, you know, me and and his and

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Speaker 3: his mom raised him very well. We you know, we

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Speaker 3: guide him, We taught him the right things from the beginning.

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Speaker 3: By the end of the day, he's the one to

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Speaker 3: have to make the decision what he want to do

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Speaker 3: for his few And you know, I think the opportunity

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Speaker 3: came up and he choose to be professional. He could

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Speaker 3: And you know, after that, like I say, you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to raise him right, trying to tell him what's

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Speaker 3: tell him the right things. You know, it's supporting. I

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Speaker 3: think that's why. You know, sometimes parents just get you know,

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Speaker 3: let him do his things.

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball Hall of Fame. What would that mean

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know a lot of people ask me

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Speaker 3: that question all the time, you know, and say, you know,

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Speaker 3: you should be in the Hall of Fame. You know,

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Speaker 3: when you're going to be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: I have no control of those things, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, But it will be a great honor for myself,

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Speaker 3: for my career that I had, for my family, for

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Speaker 3: lie to you, you know, I try not to think

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Speaker 3: much about it because you know, every January, you know,

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Speaker 3: the percentage keep going up. So I think we trended

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Speaker 1: You know, we received sixty three percent of the vote

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Speaker 1: last last time they talied up, which needs seventy five.

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Speaker 1: So you're definitely heading in the right direction. Your your

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Speaker 2: Quick kind of question off the cuff. Do you watch

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Speaker 1: I always, I always do have a really strong program.

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Speaker 2: For a long time.

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Speaker 3: We you know, baseball and Curiors have been big forever,

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Speaker 3: You know, they do run huge in the Caribbean Series.

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Speaker 3: So first you got to win the Caribbean Series and

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Speaker 3: all we want to do is continue to grow it

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Speaker 1: That's my guilty pleasure man. As a forty five year

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Speaker 2: League World Series. That shit has subbed up to me.

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Speaker 2: So paint the picture of your upbringing in Curausel.

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Speaker 3: You know, growing down there, all I want to do

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Speaker 3: So we get a lot of baseball from you know,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I was a big Oakland A's fan

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Speaker 3: You know, all want to do where is the white shoots?

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Speaker 3: I always been They've always been doing tryouts and curisau.

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Speaker 3: So I never went to know a tryouts and curis out.

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Speaker 3: I took advantage of it. At what age was that

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Speaker 1: So thirteen is that when it kind of became more

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Speaker 3: Yes, at thirteen, I was like, all right, so I

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Speaker 1: Back financially obviously being able to put your family in

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, it's you know, you take

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Speaker 3: where's that at? Where's that? Because we were more under

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Speaker 3: since then, you know, I start growing and you know,

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Speaker 2: What did that do for your family financially?

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Speaker 3: I didn't grow up, you know, in the bas situation.

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Speaker 3: My dad, my dad had a great job. You know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm proud of I took a lot of proud

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I had so many before Beaching.

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Speaker 3: Just work at it, or I think work. You know,

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Speaker 3: I mean I played Sholler so much so I didn't

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Speaker 3: I'm just coaching. He called the coach coach. He called

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Speaker 3: Bobby Cox wanted you to play right field. I was like, okay,

433
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 3: all right, so we go play right field. So playing

434
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 3: right field, first ball over my head. I'm like, damn,

435
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 3: I know I'm not a freaking right fielder. But I

436
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 3: threw the ball in and you know, they're moving back

437
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,680
Speaker 3: to center field. And then the next day they called

438
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,119
Speaker 3: me and say you're going to the big leagues and

439
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys playing I was like, I

440
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 3: didn't think so I was like, no, you guys joking

441
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 3: with me is something. But you know, I got call up.

442
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,439
Speaker 3: I ended up going to Philadelphia for my for my

443
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 3: first game, and you know, the Braves knew something that whenever,

444
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 3: you know, they knew that the team had so many

445
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 3: left hand hitters, so they wanted to have a couple

446
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 3: of right handers. And it was just me and Jermaine die.

447
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 3: They had a lot of guys that was hurt, and

448
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,840
Speaker 3: David jos was hurt. He blew out his shoulder so

449
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 3: he was not able to play. I think he was

450
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 3: working trying to come to the playoffs, but they shut

451
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 3: him down. So it was just Braves knew what they

452
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 3: were doing, who they were gonna face. Obviously we didn't

453
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: end up winning. That was serious, so you know, it

454
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 3: was a great moment for me, you know, to put

455
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 3: the island curisall my man. Nobody knew, you know, this

456
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 3: young kid from Curisou. So you know, the Yankees didn't

457
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 3: know who I was beyond me. They just thought I

458
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 3: was I was just a young kid. And and then

459
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 3: threw some pitches over the playoff that was gonna that

460
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:39,640
Speaker 3: was gonna miss.

461
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 2: They found out. What's it like?

462
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 1: You get the call up and you get you and

463
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: get in the locker room for the first time, and

464
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 1: you go to your locker and you see your number

465
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 1: with your name on the back and it's the brother

466
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 1: of the big ball club.

467
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 2: What was that moment like for you?

468
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 3: Be honest with me, I really didn't think nothing, man, Really,

469
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 3: I really didn't think. I was just like just baseball,

470
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 3: just baseball. You know, the moment when you sit back

471
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 3: you're like, Wow, I'm in the big leagues and you're

472
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: seeing guys that you out of light. You see guys

473
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: that you know you you watch on TV more than anything,

474
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, this is it. But I really

475
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: did not think nothing. I walk into the clubhouse. A

476
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: lot of people gave me a lot of trash because

477
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 3: you know, back then, you know the Braves, you have

478
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: to wear slacks on the road. I came out with

479
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: some golf shorts, and everybody was like, who the hell

480
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: is this kid? Think he is so right now? Everybody

481
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: started looking at me a different way already, like this

482
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 3: kid think he's too too big, But nobody tell me

483
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 3: the rules. So I got there, and you know, after that,

484
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: it was just you know, fun gun, you know, get

485
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: going and and and and trying to win, you know,

486
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: trying to win a championship. I know, you know, since

487
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 3: I've been playing with the Braves, way before I made

488
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 3: it to the major League, they've been very consistent getting

489
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 3: to the playoffs and win division titles and and winning

490
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 3: World Series or go to the World Series. We just

491
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 3: got them mentality off, Hey, this is what we're doing.

492
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 3: This is what we're going to continue to do from

493
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 3: here on. And and you know, we always grew grew

494
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: up as a winner.

495
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: After the performance in the World Series, did you got

496
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: to end up winning. What kind of expects did you

497
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: feel the expectations or the pressure from the media or

498
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: the outside that coming into that next season?

499
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: Not really, you know what I mean. With the media,

500
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: it's just they as I was too young, they really

501
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: did not, you know, they didn't. The media in atlanta's

502
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 3: a little different. I split it like that. The media

503
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 3: done is that we don't have a lot of media.

504
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: Like if we was in New York, it would have

505
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 3: been a different story. We were in California, would have

506
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: been a different story. But Atlanta, it's just it's only

507
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 3: like two three big, big writers that that you know,

508
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 3: to be in your face, always asking a lot of questions.

509
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: So they you know, you get a little breeder down here.

510
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 3: It was not much. I mean they knew, they knew

511
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 3: what kind of what kind of team we are kind

512
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: of you know performance. You know, we're trying to do

513
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: every every year after year after year. So sometimes they

514
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: ride to say, hey, you know, you only got one

515
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 3: more serious, you know what I mean. So it's it's

516
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: one of those things that it's hard to win. Who serious,

517
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 3: it's hard to do it. It's hard to win a championship.

518
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: You know, everything have to go right, you know a

519
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: lot and luck And you know, first of all, yeah,

520
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: that's that's very very You have to have luck. Everything

521
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: have to bounce your way because if it don't, you're

522
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 3: not gonna you're not gonna win. Yeah.

523
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how much obviously skill and

524
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: preparation and prepare helps, but you have to have luck.

525
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: You got a chance to play with a bunch of

526
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: legends in Atlanta. I'm gonna give you some name. Just

527
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: give me some first thing to come to mind with

528
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: these guys. Fred McGriff, crime dog, Freaky Fred, Freaky Fred.

529
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: Give me what's freaky friend?

530
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: Let's freak? You're just quiet? You always see it in

531
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: the corner. You don't see him, but he's there, he's there.

532
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean crime dog. You know, I I

533
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know a lot of and I watched, even

534
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: if it was a right handed I watched a lot

535
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: of stuff that he did and and and I tried

536
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 3: to to get do the same thing. So you know, you,

537
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 3: I think I tell a lot of a lot of

538
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: kids this all the time. You got to watch. You

539
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: gotta watch because you might do something that I might

540
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: pick up that I learned from you. Know what I mean.

541
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: So you got to watch and willing to learn and

542
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: willing to learn every day. So that's why I learned

543
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: a lot from Fred Jones. Uh, he might be black

544
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: here redneck, but I think he might be black black

545
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: red neck. He might be a black red neck.

546
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: Sperd David Justice, David Justice.

547
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: David gave me a lot of hell though, But we

548
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: we were cool. But he gave him a lot of

549
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: hell because I think he knew that I was one

550
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: of the guys that was coming up, that that was

551
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 3: going to move him away. And then you know, ninety seven,

552
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,919
Speaker 3: they traded him, and I didn't think they were going

553
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: to trade. They traded him and Chris gets him to

554
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: cleve room. But he did give me a lot of

555
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: hell though. But he's my boy though, That's Dave, my boy.

556
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 3: SMOs is one of the best athletes I think I

557
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: know that I played with. Be honest with you as

558
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 3: a as as a professional. You can play basketball, you

559
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: can play he can play everything. I mean, you name

560
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: the sport that dude is doing it.

561
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 2: When you we talk about smokes Man and Glavin, two

562
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: guys told us that they felt like Smolpes was out

563
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: of those three the best.

564
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: The best talent, the best talent, the best stuff. You know,

565
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: the slider, the velocity, you know, the high performance, like

566
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: he performed a high level all the time.

567
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: Maddix was Max's That's my next I was gonna say,

568
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Greg Maddix.

569
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: Greg Maddix, is he I don't know how you did it.

570
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 3: I really don't know how you did it. He did it,

571
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: but I really don't know. I watch him every day,

572
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 3: walk in, he walk out. I'm like, I don't know

573
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: where this guy do it. I don't know the guy.

574
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: Really don't work out. You don't do nothing, guy, I

575
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 3: don't know. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how

576
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: you do it.

577
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: It was great.

578
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 3: He was just he's the professor. I don't know how

579
00:25:59,520 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: you do.

580
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: He was a surgeon, the professor.

581
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: Was he also a prankster? Sheffield said he kind of

582
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: joked around.

583
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: He was pretty nasty. Was he a nasty guy? Man?

584
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: You don't want to shower next to him?

585
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: Feet and everything?

586
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: You know, you don't want. I would tell the story.

587
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: Chippers always used white sanitaries and nextually his locker is.

588
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 3: It's a big trade with sanitary so when ice get

589
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: there most time he gets the dip. He put the

590
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: dip on on the on the sancitary And so because

591
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 3: when Chippard get there, you just dig in and get

592
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: a big pole footing socks on this food wipe his

593
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 3: ass with this ship. Yeah, this food is he's wiping

594
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: his butt with where the socks and throw him in

595
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: there and then Chipper properly and and basically Chip is

596
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 3: the only one that's using these socks. God he he

597
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: he nasty. You're a nasty guy.

598
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: That's some ship Shack would do.

599
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: Shack was found, bro, there's no limits of the nasty

600
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: ship that Shaq would do.

601
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: So he was spit. He would have a big dip

602
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: in his mouth and you just get us a lobby

603
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 3: and you throw it. He split it up there and

604
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: you think they sing longer that hangout and somebody walk

605
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: up right to it. He fouled. Yeah, I'm not telling

606
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 3: you this boy a diabolical gee. Uh. Tom Gavin very quiet,

607
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: quiet guy, you know, all by business, great hockey player,

608
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: but all by business. He was one of those guys too.

609
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: I was like, how's he doing?

610
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 3: How you doing?

611
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: Man?

612
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: I faced him quite a few times, so I'm like,

613
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: how you doing?

614
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: Man?

615
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean the stuff that he had early his careers,

616
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 3: had a little bit with for losity, but later on

617
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: I was like all these guys getting outs with eighty

618
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 3: eight miles while.

619
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: Fast movement the movement. Yeah, uh, did you go through

620
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: any rookie?

621
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: I was a tough rookie. Man, I was a tough rookie.

622
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie to you about it. You wouldn't have.

623
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: But that's how the whole David Jos's things started.

624
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean talking about it. Yes, you guys are older now,

625
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: but talk to us about it.

626
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: All right. So David join get hurt and he's doing

627
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: reap and you know, I get call up. So when

628
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: I get on the plane, you know, I take my

629
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: jacket out and I go straight asleep. You know, we

630
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: have the whole role. So I go say, you know,

631
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: straight asleep. You know I don't you know, nineteen I

632
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: didn't drink much, so I'll just go straight to sleep.

633
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: So he stopped going the road and I get you know,

634
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: I'm I'm in front of the boss. I get on

635
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: the boss. I get on the plane first. So I

636
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 3: go to the seat that I always sit on for

637
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: you know, two weeks now, watch by two weeks he go, rookie,

638
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: you need to get up. I was like, he said,

639
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: you need to get up. It's my seat. I look around.

640
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 3: I say, I don't see your name. I said, I

641
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 3: don't see your name of it. So the whole hell

642
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: started right there. He wanted to fucking beat my ass.

643
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: He didn't want to do it, so we go get TP.

644
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: Terry Panther was a little older guy. TP. Come. I say, Andrew,

645
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: you need to get out. That's David seat man. I say, Tpa,

646
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: I don't see his name, and I'm sleepy. So I

647
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: went to sleep. So I went to sleep. They didn't.

648
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: They didn't master When we get up, I can see

649
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: they pissed off, but you know, I'm like, I don't

650
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: care whatever. We go. We go, we we land in Miami.

651
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: We go to hotel. We late. We landed late. We

652
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 3: went to Miami. I'm calling for my bag in the

653
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: morning because I'm not calling when I get it. I'm

654
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: going to sleep. So I called my back in the morning.

655
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: You already call your backup. I was like, what I said,

656
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: you already call your backup. I was like, okay, I

657
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: look at the list. You know that everybody had an

658
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 3: alien name, right Alia's name. So I was like, call

659
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: somebody to say I think I called. They called Eddie

660
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: or Harvey Lopez was David. David he said so and

661
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: so I look, I was like, he's down right, So

662
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: I look at it. I walked away for the mates,

663
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: wait for the maid to go clean the room, open

664
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: the door. I walk in. I grab my back. He

665
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: fucking lost it. He lost it. They really wanted to

666
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: fight me in the clubhouse. So then those starts starting.

667
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: They start fucking with me. They start putting hot stuff

668
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: in my pants, fucking put stuff in my shoes, cut

669
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: my pants. I mean, they they, I mean, they really

670
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: went in hard. So I didn't care, you know, I mean,

671
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: you just you know, they always say, you know, rookies

672
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: get picked on, so I really didn't. You know, I

673
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: enjoy it. I mean, you know, you you're a tough mug.

674
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: So I didn't care. Then that kind of bothered them

675
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: more because I didn't care, So, you know, I was like,

676
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: it's cool. But you know, after that, everything was cool.

677
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: After you know, you know, we got to the playoff

678
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: because now it's more business than anything, so you know,

679
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: you had your fair. It was not it was not

680
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: it was not fun, but it's part of it. It's

681
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: part of it.

682
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: I like that you stood on your ship like, fuck.

683
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: This be I I'm not I'm not telling your story. Man.

684
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: A might have pissed them off, but I think at

685
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: the point they had to respect it.

686
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: Though probably probably they were like this guy, this guy

687
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: is real.

688
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: You got to respect it.

689
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: Seven seasons with thirty home runs plus you played in

690
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: a pd era, although you were never linked to that.

691
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: Was there ever questions about obviously you're performing at one

692
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: of the best in the.

693
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: World at this time.

694
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: Where there ever links or rumors about you and PDS

695
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: that you heard of?

696
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: No, I mean you you we started getting tasted it.

697
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: I think in two thousand and three. I think that

698
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: was the time that they kind of did it like

699
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: a random to see what percentage will be if they're

700
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: going to make him in the tory or not not

701
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: doing it. And I think I think, you know, guys

702
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: were failing it, so the percentage was very high. In

703
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: the ninety four they start doing you know, like the

704
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: whole thing. You know, you see guys that did it,

705
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: you see guys that say they did it, You see

706
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: guys that did it. Then then do nothing, you know,

707
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: they they still was still was still wasn't good. So

708
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: you know, obviously it helped, you can see the help,

709
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: but you still got to you still have to have

710
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: the talent. You still have to go out there and play,

711
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, you know, everybody linked with a

712
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: lot of people on it, you know. You know, I

713
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: watch sometimes that Territory with Maguire, you know, when he

714
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: was saying, you know, I bought this on on you know,

715
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: over the counter, so obviously it was kind of legal,

716
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: I guess, you know what I mean. So after that,

717
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: things start getting you know, more people start getting there.

718
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: I think the steroids thing is more ego than anything,

719
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: you know. I think guys that that being on on

720
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: top of the game and and some of the guys

721
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: that you know been heard when to want to jump

722
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: up and and and get little boos to be back

723
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: at the level that they were. I think that's what

724
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: this whole PD and and and and steroids go on about.

725
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: Though you were one of two at the time, Jordan

726
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: guys with with with Jeter. What was it like and

727
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: how did that deal come about?

728
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's it's it was. It was kind

729
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: of it was tough because I know well, uh, world West,

730
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: world wide West. Yeah, he was the one that that

731
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: set up the whole thing. Yeah, that's my boy, man,

732
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: Uncle West, Uncle West. He set up the whole thing.

733
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: And you know, we go to I'm playing in Chicago

734
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: the Cups, and the next the next Sunday, and then

735
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: one day and Tuesday is the All Star game. And

736
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: he said, hey, come meet me here at this at

737
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: this location. And I walk in there and I walk

738
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 3: in and MJ was there. And so I met MJ

739
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: before in places like clubs and stuff like that that

740
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: we walked through, but never sit down and and and

741
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: and talk with him. So that's why, you know, all

742
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: the whole thing started. And you know, since then, I've

743
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: been I've been with with him.

744
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: You still get the boxes.

745
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: I still get the boxes, not like it used to,

746
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: not like it used to. I get half of the boxes.

747
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: I get half the box. I'm still happy. I'm getting

748
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: boxed about half of the boxes. But it's kind of

749
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: overwhelmed though. It's a overman, big time. I mean, the

750
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: stuff that's saying you is it's crazy. It's Jordan's It's

751
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: too much. It's too much. I mean, I say, now,

752
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: back then, I was like yeah, I keeping and saying,

753
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: but now it's like, why don't want to put all

754
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: this stuff right? You know. So it's always been you know,

755
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: you know, being one of the first ones that that

756
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: do it with Jeter was it was good and Jitter

757
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: was in the American League, it was in the National League.

758
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: So you know, after that, everybody start getting on and

759
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: then you know, he stopped building the brand of the

760
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: baseball part bigger and we start getting a lot of

761
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 3: other guys.

762
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: What was that first you sitting down and having that

763
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: first real conversation with Mike and did he present it

764
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: to West present?

765
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: And how did the work?

766
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: Well? West presented? And you know, we start talking and

767
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: I say, man, you know I always you know, I

768
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: wear twenty three in the Mior League my whole career

769
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: because Michael Jordan really I love that. You know, every

770
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: time I could have getten on the twenty three, it

771
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: was getting it. I didn't get twenty three in Atlanta

772
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: because they've adjusted that. So every time you know what

773
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah, I can't walk in and say, David,

774
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: I want you to make me a ship.

775
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: But you know we're about we're about to get you.

776
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: We're about to get you out of it. Give me

777
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: your ship, bro.

778
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: So they gave me twenty five. And you know, since

779
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: that had been twenty five for a while with it,

780
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, all my career. So you know, I wear

781
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: twenty three because him, and you know, even if you

782
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: play baseball, you want to be like Michael Jordan's. You know,

783
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: I played basketball at school. I want to be like

784
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan's. So and you know, that's how it started.

785
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: But the comfy ship was there, and you know, I

786
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, I see his hands down. I

787
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: didn't know what he's doing. He was getting a manicure

788
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: underneath the unerneath the table while you were talking, while

789
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: we were talking business, he had his helot to day

790
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: say I gotta go home. It's like you go, you're

791
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: going to a motorcycle. This guy is, he's a freak.

792
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

793
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure you know you you heard the

794
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: documentary of him and all the stuff. What made him

795
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: drive that he always loved the game of baseball. You know,

796
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: he always was a big baseball fan. You know, he

797
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: grew up playing it. I mean, obviously, if everybody you

798
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: know basically played baseball at some point of their life,

799
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: so you know, he always was a love of it.

800
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: You know, I was a little a little a little

801
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: surprised how quick he got in a little bit though.

802
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 3: I mean, gonna like you, how quick. But then they

803
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: start throwing the breaking pitch and then it was like, okay,

804
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: there's a different story. And then you know that's how

805
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan is. He work on stuff. So now he's

806
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 3: gonna sit seem breaking pitch. So he's going to hit

807
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: a thousand breakupitch and he's gonna make adjustment because great

808
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: athletes make adjustment quick than others. So that's what he did.

809
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: But why can he not do you know nothing successful?

810
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: You played for the legendary Bobby Cox, all time leader

811
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: and injections. I love to hear that. I didn't know

812
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: that to I was going over there. But you spoke

813
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: to the importance of him in your life. Speak to

814
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: what kind of relationship you guys have. I mean, he's

815
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: like my second dad, man.

816
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: You know, I think since I left Currous out, you know,

817
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: my dad always been there. You know, I always start

818
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: with but I think I spend more time with Bobby

819
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: cos then I was and my whole career than I

820
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: spent with my dad, you know. So you know he

821
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: was my second and that and you know I thank

822
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: him so much to give me the opportunity. He believed

823
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: in me. So you know, when your dad believe in you,

824
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,919
Speaker 3: you never want to feel you you know what I mean.

825
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: So that's why I feel about Bobby. Guys. I mean,

826
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: you know, we have your back all the time. We

827
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: we had. You know, we have our discussion, we have

828
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: an argument before, we yell at each other before, and

829
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: I think that that made us more more closer than

830
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: than than than ever. So you know, I thank him

831
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: every time, you know, I mean everybody, every time I

832
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: talk about my career. You know, Bobby is a big,

833
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: big part of him. With all the other coaches that

834
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: I had in my career, but he was, you know,

835
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: one of the guys that I was like, you know,

836
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: he he actually believed in me and give me the

837
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: opportunity and I took advantage of it.

838
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: Love it.

839
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

840
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: He once pulled you from a game mid inning after

841
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: you let a fly ball pass.

842
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show you the clip real quick.

843
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 3: Let him pass it drop in front of me.

844
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: See you remember the play?

845
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

846
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh ship, Damn.

847
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: I should have catched the ball.

848
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: Look, he's already he's pissed.

849
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: He's probably like, what the fuck Andy doing? Go get it?

850
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: So talking through this, he ends up pulling you mid

851
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: any what is What does he say when you're getting

852
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: the dugout? O?

853
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Man? Man, that's there's a lot of efforts going go

854
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: to that thing we're playing. We're playing and you know

855
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: that's that's right there. At that point, it basically kind of,

856
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: you know, changed everything for me a little bit. I'm

857
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: not gonna lie to you know. I mean, I was

858
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: doing what I do always, you know, good great defender,

859
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: great defender. That that inning the inding before I strike

860
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: out against Kerry Wood with people on base. So I

861
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: was pissed. So I carried that to the to the

862
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: to the defense and I kind of lost my focus

863
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: a little bit. And Lance Johnson used a big bat,

864
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: so when he swing, it feels like, you know, it's

865
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: gonna jump. So he took a big swing, but I didn't,

866
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: you know, my focus was there, so I didn't see

867
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: him hit on the end of the back so he blewpan.

868
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: So right now I look at it, I said, I

869
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: will be yelling myself too, by the way, but at

870
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: that moment, I didn't think, so I just caught the

871
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: ball and throw it in and Bobby yanked me. And

872
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm standing there. I'm looking back and

873
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: I see, you know, Gerald Williams that passed passed probably

874
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: three three years two years ago, A good friend of mine.

875
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: He's running at me, and I was like, you go.

876
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, so I'm going in. I'm getting there.

877
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm walking. He go get your ass over there, go

878
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 3: down here. So we go down there. He started yelling.

879
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: I'm yelling him. I was like, I didn't fucking know

880
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: I was doing. I said, sorry, what the fuck you

881
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: want me to do? You say you fucking talk? You

882
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: me fucking up all the time. You know, he was

883
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: yelling at me. I mean he was yelling. I was like,

884
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: you motherfucker and ship I was like, man, I said,

885
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: fuck you, I'm the best fucking player you got on

886
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 3: the fucking team. And he's like. We were going back

887
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: and forth. So I'll go in you know, the meet

888
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: again and ask me what happened. I told him what

889
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: it is. And you know, they say, what you think.

890
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: Bobby said, you might not play again? I say, I

891
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 3: don't know. You know, he's the manager he's decisions, but

892
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't never, not anybody else trust me. He comes

893
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: to the say the first man, he's probably gonna write

894
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: the name out, it's my name, figure out where I'm

895
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: gonna hit. But I'm in the lineup. I'm in there.

896
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: You know, I think that point of my career really

897
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 3: to find me off. You know, the focusing of you know,

898
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 3: your bad is over defense is never you know what

899
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: I mean. So I think that that make a big

900
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: difference of him.

901
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: Two thousand and four off season, you got a chance

902
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: to work with Willie Mays on the hitting side. What

903
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: did h what kind of tip did he give you?

904
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Or what were we able to take away from that?

905
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I didn't work with him. I met

906
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: with him and we talked in oh four when we

907
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: was in San Francisco. We talked and you know, he

908
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: you know, he told me some stuff. I think that

909
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: year I was you know, it wasn't having one of

910
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: my greade years. You know, I don't know when I

911
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: many not watch my numbers. I didn't have that consistencies

912
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: that I was looking for offensively, So we you know,

913
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: we talked in San Francisco, and you know after that,

914
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: when the season was over, because at that moment, me

915
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: and Terry Pendalton was together and Terry Penalt was our

916
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: hitting coach, and we talked with Willie Mays and really

917
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: was telling me some stuff and I capp it. And

918
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: when the off season, I just build a batting cage

919
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: at the house and me and Terry pan Done went

920
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: straight in the KH and offseason and trying to perfract

921
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: what we were looking for and that we talked with

922
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: Really Mays about and end up working in five and

923
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: I ended up hitting fifty one home runs. But you know,

924
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: like I say, every time you know somebody a legend

925
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: or anybody, don't have to be somebody that you see

926
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: is doing something good. You can take something from them.

927
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: You have to take it. You know.

928
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: Terry Penleton told the story where he said he saw

929
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Willie Mays come up to you and Willy told you

930
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: he was the best you he'd ever seen.

931
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 2: Any truth to that.

932
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, he did it, but he did it

933
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: and in this way that you know, you say, you're

934
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 3: almost as close good as me. You know, he said

935
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: you're the best. He said, you're almost You're almost as

936
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: good at me. So you know, when somebody like, really,

937
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: Mays Man, I think, you know, we missed those legends

938
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: of the game so much being around the stadium every

939
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 3: time when we go to to to play. You know,

940
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: you know San Francisco, you know, you name it. You

941
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: know all these other other teams, like even New York.

942
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 3: You go to New York, you will see Ray Jackson

943
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: around and all these people. You miss seing these guys

944
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: talk with him about baseball because at the end of

945
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: the day, all you want to do is talk baseball,

946
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: you know. You know, I I talk with Hank a

947
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: bunch of times. You know, sometimes when I was struggling,

948
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: Bobby was like, hey, go up there and talk with Hank.

949
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: You know, just when you got there, you really don't

950
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: talk baseball. You would just ask you about how's your family,

951
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: you know, talk about life, you know, tell you know,

952
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: talk about you know, you need to take care and

953
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: make sure you take care of your family, make sure

954
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: you take care of your kids. You know, focus on

955
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 3: this focus and that because you know you have the talent.

956
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: He just wanted to take you away to get your

957
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: mind off the game a little bit and and and

958
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 3: talk something else. So you know, I always was honored

959
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: to see all these guys around and and and Nick

960
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 3: picked their mind and and and in their career, and

961
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 3: the legacy the life off the field on the field.

962
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 3: So it's always great. And you know, I think we're

963
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: missing that now a lot in our sport. You know,

964
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: a lot of the the organization don't keep a lot

965
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: of the you know, the legends, the legends of the

966
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 3: game around. No more so it's it's changing a little bit.

967
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: But you know some teams does Yeah, you got to.

968
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: You played for four more teams before you finish your career.

969
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: You got a chance to play for Ozzie Gain. I

970
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: know he's a little crazy. I heard you enjoyed him.

971
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: You got any stories of Ozzie.

972
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: Ozzi is one of the wildest guys. Actually, I played

973
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: with Ozzie in winter Ball in Venezuela in ninety six. Wow,

974
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: So I've been knowing Ozzie for a long time. You know,

975
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: the stories, the wildness, He don't care, he can say whatever.

976
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: I think. Why he's not in the game as a

977
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: manager because you speak the true or you speak why

978
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: do you feel like it too much?

979
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: Too too real?

980
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 3: Too real? Sometimes you have to kind of keep things

981
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: in for yourself. You got to know where it is.

982
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: But he's he's too real, he said, what do you

983
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 3: want to say? But he's a great man. He loved

984
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: the game. You know, I learned a lot from him.

985
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: He helped me a lot. I think in ninety six

986
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: when I'm when when we're playing winter Ball together, I

987
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: was tired. I was thinking, you want to want to

988
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 3: be there? I just don't done playing in the World Series.

989
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: The Braves didn't think I was going to be in

990
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: the World Series. So we made a deal that I'm

991
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: gonna go to winter Ball and play baseball in Venezuela

992
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 3: for for two months. So I went there. I didn't

993
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: want to be there. You know, we hang out partying.

994
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: I don't want to play. So he came out and say, hey, Andrew,

995
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: if you don't want to play, you go home. I said,

996
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: I am going home. So I went home. And you know,

997
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 3: then three years later, I'm playing with him, you know,

998
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: here in Atlanta. So you know, play with him Atlanta.

999
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: You know, he helped He helped us a lot in

1000
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: ninety in ninety nine to to get to the World

1001
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: Series versus the mat I mean versus the Yankees again,

1002
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: and then play with him, and I think ten No.

1003
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: Eleven and eleven and twelve Yankees ten. I played with

1004
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: him as a manager. You know, he I call him

1005
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 3: and say, hey, you're gonna You're gonna give me a

1006
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: chance to play out here. You go, Well, if you

1007
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: come in shape, you play. I say, all right, So

1008
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: again I went. I went and worked out and got

1009
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 3: in great shape. I came to spring training. He said, no,

1010
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: you're not gonna play.

1011
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: Fucked.

1012
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, fuck up. So all

1013
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: I didn't spend training is play golf. You know, I

1014
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: I really probably in that spring training with him, I

1015
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: probably had like maybe twenty at bats. Every day I

1016
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: walk in. My name is not line up. I go

1017
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: play golf. After I get DOWNE practice. So I think,

1018
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: right now, right there, the the the passion on playing

1019
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: golf kind of start kicking in, and I think I

1020
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: just from there on I pick it up. But you know,

1021
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 3: I had a great time there. You know I had

1022
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: a great role. You know, I was platuning d H

1023
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: and play some outfield with remarks and you know I

1024
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: was doing good. You know, you say, and one rules

1025
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: that he have and you know this is before you know,

1026
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: everybody starts sending the lineup down from from the office.

1027
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 3: You say, if you if you hot, you're playing it.

1028
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: If you call you out of the you're on the bench.

1029
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: So you know that's what the mentality. And you know

1030
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: I got a chance to play for you know, quite

1031
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: quite a time.

1032
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: I'll give you some outfielders, just give me. First thing

1033
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: to come in to mind when I mentioned their name.

1034
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: Tony gwyn one of the greatest, greatest hit it all

1035
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: all time, you know, know how to put the ball

1036
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: in play. He might have been one of the toughest

1037
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: guy for me to defense because I you know, I

1038
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: couldn't reading much what he was gonna do. If you're

1039
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 3: gonna slap off, he's gonna pull it. It was just

1040
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 3: he was one of those ones that I couldn't defense.

1041
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: Ye interesting, King Griffyr one.

1042
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: Of the best swing in the game, one of one

1043
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: of the all around baseball player, could have do everything.

1044
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds the.

1045
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 3: Best baseball player that I see, the best baseball player

1046
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: that played this game that I see. You know, it's

1047
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 3: a lot of guys before that play that I didn't see.

1048
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: I really, you know, I only see Hank Karen highlights.

1049
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: I see his numbers. His numbers are ridiculous. I see

1050
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: Willie Mays highlights I never see with my own eyes. Well,

1051
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: the guy I see with my own ice play that

1052
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: I can tell you if you ask me and I,

1053
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: who's the best baseball player of all time? Is Barry Bonds.

1054
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: I play against each in Japan in some All Star game.

1055
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 3: I knew of him, I knew what kind of player

1056
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: he was, but you know, when he came here, he

1057
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: really went on a different level of the game. You know,

1058
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: I play with him in in New York. Too unique player,

1059
00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 3: very unique player.

1060
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 5: Jim Edmonds good defense editor, good good defense, good defense,

1061
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 5: great great bad should be in the Hall of Fame,

1062
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: to be honest, men, Tory Hunter not a great center fielder,

1063
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 5: you know, should be in the Hall of Fame.

1064
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: Too great number. I mean, there's so many guys. You know,

1065
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: it's kind of cursed for those guys that play in

1066
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 3: center field because you know, if you if you look back,

1067
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: it's not that many center fields in the Hall of Fame,

1068
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: And because the numbers that the guys that did it

1069
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: is so outrageous that you know, if you even be

1070
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: half of it, it's not good enough, you know what

1071
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 3: I mean. So it's it's high. So he's he's a

1072
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame in my book for me for sure.

1073
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: Don't be honest, give me your top five outfielder defensive

1074
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: outfielders of all time?

1075
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: Wow, good question, man, that I see or or that

1076
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: I know of, because then if you if you see,

1077
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: you can go with a lot of different name. I mean,

1078
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 3: you know, you see guys that like Duke Snyder's really mays.

1079
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 3: I mean I did not see with my eyes, but

1080
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: it's you know that's like my my, my my top,

1081
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 3: My top was right now. If I can take up

1082
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 3: my head right now, is Ken Griffy, Tory Hunter, Jim Happens,

1083
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 3: Kenny Lofton. Those are the guys that I see, and

1084
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: I'll be like, yeah, those are my top guys. But

1085
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: if you want to go all time, you got you know,

1086
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: like I said, you have really mazed Duke Snyders, You

1087
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 3: got Dick Allen that just going in the Hall of

1088
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: Fame now, he was very good, fast feeling. You got

1089
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: so many guys, So it's it's it's it's it's tough

1090
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: to pick. But if my eyes that I can tell

1091
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: you right now, those the names that I tell you, can.

1092
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: You still hit one hundred millar foul fastball today.

1093
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, But you gave me about two weeks. I

1094
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: probably will. You know what I mean. The thing is

1095
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: though your eyes and and your hands. It's all timing.

1096
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: You know, you gave me, you gave me a week.

1097
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna touch it. I'm not gonna tell you him

1098
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: I had it out, but I'm gonna touch it. But

1099
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: you know it takes time. You know, you know, you

1100
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 3: you go out there. You know we do home runs,

1101
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: home run derbys for events all the time. You know,

1102
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: when you get on that field, you put that uniform on,

1103
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 3: that thing is kicking in. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1104
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: It's just like you you know, you get on the court.

1105
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: You know, even if you retire a long time ago,

1106
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: you get in the court, your mind is selling by

1107
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 3: your body mind not your mind is Staalue. I'm there,

1108
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: but your body is not.

1109
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: We asked four people that, and three of you guys

1110
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: said no. The only person said absolutely, be easy was Barry.

1111
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: Barry said, it's like.

1112
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 2: Riding the bike.

1113
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: It's just here he's gonna throw and he's like, I'm

1114
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: gonna replace the bat or the mint with the bat.

1115
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: Right? Did you just hear what one. He is the

1116
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: best baseball player I see play the game.

1117
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: When you first step up to the man, what's going

1118
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: through your mind? Excuse me, to the plate? What's going

1119
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: through your mind? What are you looking for?

1120
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to hit the ball right back at him. Okay,

1121
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 3: that's my mind zone, that's my tunnel. You know. If

1122
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: I if I catch it right, you know, I might

1123
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: kill you. But if I get you a little earlier,

1124
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: put in left field. If I get you a little late,

1125
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 3: I go right field. But my mind is right. If

1126
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: the boss coming from there, this was I'm going to

1127
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: go for.

1128
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: How did you get out of slumps? Were you a

1129
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: superstitious guy or any rituals you had.

1130
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: To get I was not really a superstition guy. I

1131
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: you know, when you say you have routines, it can

1132
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: be superstitious. But I just had little routines that I do.

1133
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 3: You know, I make sure I used the bathroom before

1134
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: I go to the game, before I play, you know,

1135
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: I do do you know, do my own stuff, like

1136
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: you know, my little routines, you know, before before I

1137
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: go out and do some soft tosts whatever, nothing crazy,

1138
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: nothing crazy. To be honest with you, I put my

1139
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: socks always might rice another.

1140
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: I'm left first over time, and even shoes.

1141
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I goes, I go shoes right first. I never

1142
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: put left.

1143
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: I left first.

1144
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you might think that superstitious, right, it's funny. Oh,

1145
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: it's just a team's right.

1146
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck it is even to

1147
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: this day.

1148
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Like if I'm in a hurry and I still can't

1149
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 1: put my right slide on first, I have to flip

1150
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: the left one over, put the left slide on first.

1151
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what what the deal I have.

1152
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: I do everything right first, and then I go left.

1153
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: I tie this one first, I go to this one.

1154
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 3: So even when I put my first leg in first,

1155
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 3: like first leg in, it's right left.

1156
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1157
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I love that, all right, man, quick hitters, we're at

1158
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: the end of the show. First thing to come to mind.

1159
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: Let us know the smartest picture you ever faced.

1160
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: I play against in my face him probably three times

1161
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: maybe with the Dodgers and San Diego is Maddox. He's smart.

1162
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: He's smart. It's very smart. You know. I face a

1163
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: lot of guys face guys like Pedro that is trying

1164
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 3: to blow it by you smart pictures, but guys that

1165
00:54:56,320 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 3: really think why you're thinking it's maddis I love it?

1166
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: Best stuff? Who had the best stuff.

1167
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: Some of the guys that don't even have good stuff

1168
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: have good stuff. Man ain't right when you're not swinging

1169
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 3: that back good everybody have good stuff. But let me

1170
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 3: tell you, though, I I I gave a lot of respect.

1171
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 3: I mean not respect because I faced him, I got

1172
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: hit of him. But Kevin Brown was very nasty. I

1173
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: mean he was a tough guy for us. He was

1174
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: in the same division. You know, he beat us with

1175
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: the Martins not go to the World Series in ninety seven.

1176
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: He beat us with the with the San Diego Padres.

1177
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: For us not to go to the World Series, we

1178
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: could have had some good World Series run, be honest

1179
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: with you, but this food was so good that he

1180
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 3: stuff was nasty.

1181
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: Worst park, worst MLB park.

1182
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: Worst MLB park was j r K. Yeah, yeah it was,

1183
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: but we didn't play much. But when the Expos moved

1184
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: to the Montreal moved to I love. A lot of

1185
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: people might say Montreal Stadium was bad. I love that stadium.

1186
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: Actually I love the city, be honest with me, more

1187
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: than I love the stadium. But I loved I loved

1188
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 3: that place. I think in DC, the old old JFK

1189
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: was very, very bad.

1190
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 2: Craziest clubhouse story you can share.

1191
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: Oh man, I just told the story not long ago

1192
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 3: to some of the exactives at the had the braves

1193
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: if you skill brought a freaking kangaroo in a diaper

1194
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: to the clubhouse. Yes, we were like, he was like,

1195
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: I have kangaroo. I was like, now you see the pictures.

1196
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: He showed a picture and saying maybe he wasn't insure say,

1197
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: he said, wait till you go to Seattle. I'm gonna

1198
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: bring the kangaroo to the clubhouse. This food, bring the

1199
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: kangaroo to the clubhouse in diaper.

1200
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: Did he do any tricks or anything?

1201
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 3: I was like, he was like, I don't know, I

1202
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: ain't gonna mess with this thing. I'm going I'm going

1203
00:56:58,560 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: to do some work over here.

1204
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: And I think kangaroos fuck people up on the internet.

1205
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 3: It was probably like like this. I think it still

1206
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 3: was a baby behind you.

1207
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: Kangaroo was crazy and it.

1208
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 3: Was the only one and yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple

1209
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: of them. Yeah, ain't somebody more story about at us? Yeah,

1210
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 3: that's that's the you know, the crazy one PG.

1211
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the above board, Yeah, bench clearing brawl.

1212
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 1: Who were three players you played with during your career

1213
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: that you're gonna make sure you have on your side?

1214
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: Oh man, first one is Andres Galarraga.

1215
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: Big Fella, the Big, the big Cat, the big.

1216
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I missed those times. Man. We don't

1217
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: see brothering more, but I missed. I missed the fireness

1218
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 3: of this. I mean this guy, you throw close to him,

1219
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 3: he looking at you, and you give him like. He goes,

1220
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 3: let's go. Opening day. I think it's ninety eight. I

1221
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: think against the Dodgers it was opening their second day

1222
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: and drive for pitch, train driver Smoke big Cat. First pitch,

1223
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: Big Cat, look at him, he's tripping. Dow him. Go

1224
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: to the base. Big Cat's like, wow, it ain't do nothing.

1225
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: You go to first base, Big Cat trying to take

1226
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: somebody out of second base. You know they die. Maybe

1227
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: like two months later, we're playing Dodgers in Atlanta day game.

1228
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: Driyfle was nasty by the way too. He goes one

1229
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: through three punches. He punched the first three guys. Everybody

1230
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: go sit down, naxt to bat Big Cat leader up,

1231
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: he's batting. Four were always standing on the lion saying,

1232
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: if this food hit him, we're going in man first

1233
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 3: pitch boom. If Big Cat had to hit him, he

1234
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: probably would have break his face. If you get a chance,

1235
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: if you can find that clip, look it up. He's

1236
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: big cat. Fish was like this bag, I ain't gonna

1237
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: like a double a double whopper. East Face was like

1238
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 3: this big He's swung on him. He missing and grabbing.

1239
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: He kind of tumble on it. By the time he

1240
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: got done, that guy was never the same. I think

1241
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: his career kind of went downhill from there on.

1242
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: I love it so Big Cat. Who's two more?

1243
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: I would take Bobby Bonina, okay, and then I would

1244
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: like to have Brian Jordan.

1245
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 4: Oh.

1246
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: I just seen bar George yesterday.

1247
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got that football mentality and kind of you know,

1248
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 3: it can click, it can go different real quick, you

1249
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1250
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: Greatest player in your opinion of all time, Barry Bones,

1251
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: best player in the league right now.

1252
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: From a pure talent standpoint.

1253
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: It's so many I have to pick talent wise right

1254
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 3: now at this moment. Doing it consistent, I have to

1255
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: say judge for that tallerness that he is to be

1256
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: so consistent and to do it on the regular basis,

1257
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 3: it's tough. You know. You you see a lot of

1258
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 3: baseball players. They're all like six one six dude, the

1259
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: highest maybe six four. But this guy, this guy is

1260
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: this guy is like six seven. So for him to

1261
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: do it on the high level, it's very you know, obviously,

1262
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: you have you know, the the Kunas, you have the

1263
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: you know, the mookies. You got Otani that that actually,

1264
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: be honest with you, tiny can play outfield with the best.

1265
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: I see this kid when he was eighteen years old

1266
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: in Japan.

1267
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: He was special, incredible.

1268
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 3: I played two years in Japan. I see him and

1269
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: I was like, this kid is special. Obviously I didn't

1270
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: think he was going to be that hitter that he

1271
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: is now. But when I saw him, he was special.

1272
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: One guess you could see on all the smoke. We

1273
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: like crazy. You gotta line to Ozzie will take it?

1274
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, hell yeah, I gave you his number. You can. Oh,

1275
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 3: he ain't gonna be afraid.

1276
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: That's good.

1277
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: We don't want to be fair.

1278
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: Come talking ship.

1279
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, he afraid he won. Barry did this already. He

1280
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: did Verry Okay. Yeah, in Chicago's in Chicago trip. It's

1281
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: a good trip. Yeah, I like Chicago. Me too.

1282
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: Well, Andrew Man, I appreciate your time.

1283
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for your greatness on and off

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Speaker 1: the field. Best of luck to your son and and

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Speaker 1: everything you guys have going on.

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Speaker 2: Man, thank you. That's a wrap, Andrew Jones.

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Speaker 1: You can catch us and all the Snow productions YouTube

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Speaker 1: and the Draft Kings Network.

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Speaker 2: Will see y'all next week.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm, mm hmmm mm hmmm.