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Speaker 1: Pushkin. I have a friend in California, music producer Rick Rubin.

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Speaker 1: He's a studio in Malibu called Shango Law. And sometimes

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Speaker 1: when I'm out in Los Angeles, I go up and

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Speaker 1: see Rick and we sit and look out at the

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Speaker 1: ocean and we talk. What, in your mind is the

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Speaker 1: first great true hip hop record? I would say run

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Speaker 1: DMC Sucker MCS. That's probably the best hip hop record.

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Speaker 1: They were rap records before that, but that was maybe

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Speaker 1: the first hip hop record. You know, in that era,

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Speaker 1: I had a jade tree in my dorm room, run

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Speaker 1: DM TREEO, and I had I rewrote the lyrics of

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Speaker 1: the song to be all about my jade tree. I'm

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Speaker 1: a sucker. Jade tree can't grow much higher. All you

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Speaker 1: other jade tree is gonna call me sire. And one

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Speaker 1: day we realized we're not the only ones who are

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Speaker 1: this crazy about music, so we started visiting lots of

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Speaker 1: other people whose work we love. Producer Now Rogers, you've

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Speaker 1: probably had one of his songs stuck in your head

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Speaker 1: at some point. The very first time David played Let's

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Speaker 1: Dance for me, walked into the studio and he played

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Speaker 1: something Let's Dance the radio, nothing and then I asked

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Speaker 1: me if I could do an arrangement. But then when

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Speaker 1: I moved it from a minor up to be flat,

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Speaker 1: it actually had a different vibe. It got it got

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Speaker 1: brighter in like funkier Son. You can already hear it,

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Speaker 1: like now brings along his whole band and gives us

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Speaker 1: a private concert. It's insane. Rufus Waynewright does the same thing,

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Speaker 1: just him and a piano. Rufus had a cold that day.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't even tell. We talked to Wendy and Lisa

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Speaker 1: from the Revolution. We were the band that Prince sang to.

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Speaker 1: We were the band that Prince danced to. We were

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Speaker 1: the band that Prince could take off his guitar and

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Speaker 1: do nothing. And it was still a Prince show, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so then the audience gets to experience what he experienced.

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Speaker 1: And what's a music podcast without a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: the epistemology of Norwegian black metal? You know, death motto

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Speaker 1: is more is more like you know what they call

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Speaker 1: a cookie monster, like where it's like you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of that, and with Blackmail it's more a lot

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is more like like more just

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Speaker 1: higher and yeah and just sounds much crazier in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: All this and more so much more is part of

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Speaker 1: our new show, Broken Record, Rick my friend Bruce headlam

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Speaker 1: Me conversations, arguments, stories, remembering old music, discovering new music.

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Speaker 1: Broken Record liner Notes for the digital world. Broken Record

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Speaker 1: from Pushkin Industries coming to your podcast feed on November thirteenth.

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