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Speaker 1: All right, First things first, Happy New Year everybody to

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Speaker 1: you and yours. Hope it's a happy and healthy one

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Speaker 1: for all of you and your families. And welcome once

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Speaker 1: again to Big Blue Kickoff live here on giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Ross Salzburg, joined by my buddy two time

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion David Deal and the big story today,

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Speaker 1: David is Dave Gettleman's year end press conference. As far

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Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, I thought it was uneventful. Uh, nothing

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Speaker 1: anything earth shattering. But as sure as you and I

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings of yours, it's gonna be made a

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Speaker 1: big deal tomorrow. Is he like coming back? Where does

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Speaker 1: it like? Maybe he's not going to be coming back.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. It is what it is,

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Speaker 1: and that's something that you know that you're going in.

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Speaker 1: It's been three days since the season has been over,

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Speaker 1: so the evaluation of this current roster of where the

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Speaker 1: rap between the coaches, the scouting department, Dave Gentleman, that's

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Speaker 1: all still taking place as well and to ask the

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Speaker 1: that in some part he does have some of the answers,

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Speaker 1: but some that you don't have finalized moving forward. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got what you kind of expected out

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Speaker 1: as they made, but there's still so much left to

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Speaker 1: take care of them and to uncover before you truly

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Speaker 1: make a big decision. Well, you know, you have to

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Speaker 1: be naive not to think that the big question that

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Speaker 1: the gate two to clear the air, if you will,

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Speaker 1: or set the Recordstrate Dave addressed the Eli situation by saying, look,

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Speaker 1: before everybody gets started, Eli and myself had a real honest,

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Speaker 1: straightforward conversation went very very well, straightforward conversation. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying anything more about it. It was just a straightforward conversation.

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Speaker 1: And already you know people are reading, well, what was

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Speaker 1: and then um, later on it came out, well, how

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Speaker 1: to talk to me. Of course I'm gonna talk to Eli.

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Speaker 1: And he kept saying, uh, Eliza, mensch, Eliza, mench, Eliza mench.

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Speaker 1: For you people who do not know what mench means,

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Speaker 1: it means gentlemen or a man's man in Yiddish, and

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Speaker 1: Dave Ghetto always likes to use that. And towards the end,

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Speaker 1: Dave was asked, why did you call him a mench,

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Speaker 1: But but that's how he described Eli Manning. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can guess what the conversation was about that. David.

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Speaker 1: You're a former player, so you've had those year end

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Speaker 1: it's a time to clear the ear. Yeah, like we

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Speaker 1: did move forward exactly. You know, I want to continue playing,

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Speaker 1: And I understand him talking. Listen, Archie had a see

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Speaker 1: asked that Dave, can you guarantee a winning season? You

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Speaker 1: I've never seen such speculation. And I really do believe.

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Speaker 1: I've said this several times the folks, Dave, I've said

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Speaker 1: That's not how you operate. I've said this, You've heard

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Speaker 1: me say it all season long, folks. Any general manager

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Speaker 1: you've got to take care of yourself. You've got to

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Speaker 1: do this, that and the other thing. Schedule's making sure

428
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Speaker 1: you get your rehab. Just basically organizing your life in

429
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Speaker 1: a way that you never have before because you've never

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Speaker 1: had to. Yeah, interesting too, one four or five? One

431
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Speaker 1: three is the number. Let's go to New Mexico speak

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Speaker 1: with our friend Scott. Happy New Yes, Scott, how you

433
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Speaker 1: doing good? How are you guys? Good? What's going on.

434
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Speaker 1: I have a question for you in regards to the

435
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Speaker 1: situation with eli Um. I'm wondering if I've mentioned this before.

436
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Speaker 1: They try to extend UI out to the reason being

437
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Speaker 1: is the Giants improved next year? I know there's going

438
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Speaker 1: to be a bigger quarterback pool in than there is,

439
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Speaker 1: and there's no assurance that the Giants would be able

440
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Speaker 1: to get either the first two UH top ticks I

441
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Speaker 1: guess would be Justin Herbert and the kid from Alabama

442
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Speaker 1: tour because if they reckon improve, they'll probably be drafting lower,

443
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Speaker 1: maybe seventeen or eighteen. And I don't think they would

444
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Speaker 1: have access to those two quarterbacks. That being said, Uh,

445
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Speaker 1: excuse me for interrupting, I don't think it's remotely possible,

446
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Speaker 1: quite Frank. That's just my gut feeling that they could,

447
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Speaker 1: you know, would be able to get either one of

448
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Speaker 1: those two. But right so, my feeling was in regards

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Speaker 1: to eli Uh, would it be smart because the five

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Speaker 1: teams UH in this upcoming draft UH really don't need

451
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks unless unless drawn excuse me, bruten makes a move

452
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Speaker 1: and gets rid of car they may have access to Haskins,

453
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Speaker 1: who seems to be the real quarterback coming out in

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Speaker 1: the class. Do you think in either your opinion, it

455
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Speaker 1: would be advisable, even though I think the Giants really

456
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Speaker 1: need to draft pass rushers. I think that's their priority.

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Speaker 1: But would it be smart if he's available to take

458
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Speaker 1: Haskins and then they'd have a full year where he

459
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Speaker 1: can be mentored by Eli under those circumstances, and it

460
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Speaker 1: might solve the quarterback problem because otherwise the Giants might

461
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Speaker 1: be back in the same place with no real access

462
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Speaker 1: to a good quarterback because their records improved and they've

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Speaker 1: gotten better. So I just wanted to know from your

464
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Speaker 1: perspective what you feel about that you go first, Dave Well,

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that was one of the things that

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Speaker 1: people are asking and are talking about, is what you

467
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Speaker 1: do move to that transition from Eli Manny to somebody else.

468
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Speaker 1: You wanted to go as smoothly as possible. And we

469
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Speaker 1: talked about last week how some of the quarterbacks that

470
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Speaker 1: have gotten time to digest, breathe learn how to be

471
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Speaker 1: a pro in the NFL, learned what it takes to

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Speaker 1: be a quarterback have played better beef because of it.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Patrick Mahomes, and

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Speaker 1: we even showed the example and talked about the example

475
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Speaker 1: of Sam Donald pre getting injured to coming in playing

476
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Speaker 1: this end of this season for the last three or

477
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Speaker 1: four games or whatever it was. That's something that you

478
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Speaker 1: definitely think about, is the future of your organization and

479
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Speaker 1: what quarterbacks and what players are going to be available

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Speaker 1: now and to that point. And if there was anybody

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Speaker 1: that you would want to groom that quarterback, it would

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Speaker 1: be Eli Manning. And I know we talked about this before.

483
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Speaker 1: The whole well the whole mentor thing. Eli leads by

484
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Speaker 1: example and he does it for everybody not only in

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Speaker 1: that football team and on the offense, but specifically in

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Speaker 1: that quarterback round. Yeah, look, he's ahead. The firstest scenario

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Speaker 1: I've I've t again, you're going to need a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I don't think is going to play till he's forty,

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Speaker 1: said Dave. Let me go. Let me just interject with

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Speaker 1: something here, you know, and by the way, by the way,

491
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Speaker 1: you and everybody uh watching Big Blue Kickoff live now,

492
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: when you're done with us at at to thirty, you

493
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Speaker 1: can you know check out days complete press conference, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, on its entirety on the website. But Dave

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Speaker 1: Gentleman made a point of saying when he drafts, he's

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Speaker 1: going to draft the best athlete available. And he said

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Speaker 1: it's a This is I'm not Russ Salzburg talking. This

498
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Speaker 1: is Dave Gettlman talking. He said, it's a mistake to

499
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Speaker 1: go in saying I gotta have this because one priority,

500
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Speaker 1: because you're gonna make a mistake. Yea, that's exactly what

501
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Speaker 1: he said. I if you make this the priority you got,

502
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Speaker 1: you going to make a mistake more times than not.

503
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Speaker 1: He when in last year, okay, he had the number

504
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Speaker 1: two pick, he drafted the best guy available. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's not to disparage anybody else. He got the

506
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Speaker 1: best guy available and he and not just this talent

507
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Speaker 1: on the field. I don't think anybody realized how good

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Speaker 1: this young man, say Kwan Barkley, was going to be

509
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Speaker 1: off the field in terms. And now if you're asking me,

510
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm saying it depends what's available, because listen, there

511
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Speaker 1: are needs on the defensive line, his needs on the

512
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Speaker 1: old line, and you know what, Listen, if something's available

513
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Speaker 1: at that juncture that he felt was the best. And

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Speaker 1: you also have to like who you're picking. Well, obviously,

515
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Speaker 1: if you don't like him, then you don't think he's

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Speaker 1: the best. So but but I think the question to

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Speaker 1: me is when you say mentoring, as Day brought up,

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Speaker 1: Let's let's say they drafted a quarterback but that they

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Speaker 1: really liked. Okay, let's say they drafted. If let's say

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Speaker 1: it was Haskins, I'm just giving you for for example,

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Speaker 1: Haskins ain't start next year, OKAYI the guy elies the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and then, uh, you know, most gms and coaches

523
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Speaker 1: and listen to Sherman's a specialist with quarterbacks. Most GMS

524
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Speaker 1: and coaches don't like rookies starting at quarterbacks. They don't

525
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Speaker 1: and and that court, that position is far different than

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Speaker 1: any other position in the National Football League? Is that

527
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Speaker 1: fair to say without a doubt? You have the football

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Speaker 1: in your hands each and every play, and you're directing

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Speaker 1: ten other players each and each and every play with confidence.

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Speaker 1: You have to you know, so Scott to me, you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: that would be the perfect world for everybody who wants

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. You get somebody, but you gotta like that

533
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Speaker 1: somebody if you if you don't like them, Uh, they're

534
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Speaker 1: not stupid and Elie is not stupid. They all know

535
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Speaker 1: you know what the future is gonna be with a

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Speaker 1: new quarterback. But that doesn't mean, you know, I don't

537
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Speaker 1: think to worry about I think they're worried about starting

538
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Speaker 1: the build now and they have to assess. As Gedeleman

539
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: likes to say, he's a video tape junkie. He likes

540
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Speaker 1: looking at any and everything. So that's where it stands,

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Speaker 1: all right, Okay, one more question, uh, and I can

542
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Speaker 1: take it off the year. Uh. I wanted to know. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I thought Wayne Goldman played very well this year, and

544
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Speaker 1: I was just curious, from either of your perspectives, do

545
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Speaker 1: you think the Giants will expand his role a little

546
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Speaker 1: bit more? I know had those great numbers, but obviously

547
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: the wear and tear over the long term could be significant.

548
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Speaker 1: So I was just wondering if you think they might

549
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Speaker 1: expand Wayne Goldman's role, and also if you think they'll

550
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Speaker 1: draft another running back besides having a fullback on the rock,

551
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Speaker 1: that there's something look they're looking to do. You saw

552
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Speaker 1: his role expand as this season progressed. I think the

553
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Speaker 1: things that I loved out of Wayne Goldman was the

554
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: way that he ran always north and South, got his

555
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: feet in the ground, was trying to get as many

556
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: arts as possible, ran with much lower body pad pad

557
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: level than he did last season. And my biggest pick

558
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: up and things that he did to see blitz past protection.

559
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: He did a much better job this season. So you

560
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: have to give them credit for that. And that's definitely

561
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: something that they're gonna do moving forward. Are they going

562
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Speaker 1: to draft a running back or bring in a free

563
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: agent running back? You know they are, because they're gonna

564
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: want to turn out as much competition in that room

565
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Speaker 1: as possible to make it the best you can be. Ok. Alright, Scott,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank god? Alright, thanks to one. Three is

567
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Speaker 1: the number. You know, we're talking about how the quarterback

568
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: position is so tough in the National Football League, you know,

569
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Speaker 1: a tough position to learn, you know what I and

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that because you're sitting next to me.

571
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I think the second toughest position as offensive lineman. And

572
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: my belief and tell me if you think I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: My belief on that is the following when you in

574
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Speaker 1: particular the offensive line, and when you're in college, you're

575
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Speaker 1: big and you're strong, and there's games you're going that

576
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna win the bat and you're just plowed,

577
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: driving through and over people. You come into the National

578
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: Football League as a twenty one or a twenty two

579
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Speaker 1: year old, okay, and you're a you're a big man,

580
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: a big young man, but you're also going up against

581
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Speaker 1: season year old veterans who are big and strong. With

582
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Speaker 1: my first experience of seeing a giant steel linement with

583
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Speaker 1: Keith Hamilton's that was the first guy I saw him, Like, Wow,

584
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Speaker 1: that's the guy I have to block and practice every

585
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: single day. It's a reality check and it's grown men

586
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: out there fighting at one will up against another man's

587
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: well and what do you play? Old line, You either

588
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: win the battle or you don't. There's no in between. Yeah,

589
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Speaker 1: so I I really, I really believe that that that

590
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Speaker 1: it's the first as a quarterback and then it's the

591
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Two one, three is the number. Let's go

592
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Speaker 1: to Syracuse and check in with Chris. Hello, Chris, Hey,

593
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: how you guys doing? How you doing? Chris? Happy New Year,

594
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: Happy New year to you. Um Dave, I just wanted

595
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: to have a little laugh here for a minute. I

596
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: called it was about January tewond or third in two

597
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, so obviously coming right off the fifteen season

598
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and Flyers players are year a little bit injured, and

599
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: we had Peter, and I remember making the content like, Wow,

600
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Speaker 1: I'm glad we can put this whole line thing behind us.

601
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Speaker 1: I think things are looking up, and uh, we had

602
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Speaker 1: a miss. Let's just say the miss there didn't quite

603
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: pan out the way that I think we were all

604
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: hoping it would. Um. That being said, I just wanted

605
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: to kind of respond to what it's what Scott was

606
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: just saying, because, UM, I don't know, I'm probably on

607
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: the way right outstret here, but I could see I

608
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: don't see little reason why I feel I couldn't play

609
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: full year forty or beyond, assuming that things start heading

610
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: in the right direction in terms of wins and losses. Um,

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I think that it's everything is weight so heavily on

612
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback in terms of winter lockers, and obviously the

613
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: winds that haven't been there over the last supple years.

614
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: So that's where a lot of the criticism a guy

615
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: that's in another system with a revolving door and offensive

616
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: lineman both in terms of personality and people coming through. Um.

617
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Speaker 1: Until the end of this season. So I don't know,

618
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: maybe a night or but I would really like to

619
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Speaker 1: see that actually get the stakes solidified, build a little

620
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: bit with shermer Um and see him gold. I mean,

621
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Speaker 1: you have Breeds, Rivers, roethestog are all playing at a

622
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: high level, and I don't really see where it would

623
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: be a whole lot different with Eli if he was

624
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: stayed in the system, had consistency around him, protecting him,

625
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: Like those are all factors that these other older guys

626
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Speaker 1: have that really hasn't had. Yeah, but but listen, Uh,

627
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get any argument from the two of

628
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Speaker 1: us sitting here and what we think of Eli. But

629
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Speaker 1: I would say this about any and everybody. Eli's turning

630
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Speaker 1: thirty eight. When you start talking about forty years old

631
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Speaker 1: and the National Football League, you know that's a gray area.

632
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: So I I you knows as fond as I am.

633
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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to get through next season with

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Speaker 1: ELI and then see what happens. I mean, that's true.

635
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's more than fair, and

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Speaker 1: I think ELI probably feels the same way. Chris, you

637
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: know that that's just common sense. I mean, I'm sure

638
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Speaker 1: it's year a year for all of those guys that

639
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: are up there at that age. But you don't hear

640
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: that about rivers and breezes at Roethlisberg. You heard it

641
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: actually about Breeze up until a couple of years ago

642
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: when they started really winning again. But you're you don't

643
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: hear it as much um as you do it, Eli,

644
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: And I really think that it's not so much the

645
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: level of play as it is all the other factors

646
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: that are going around and the fact that they're just

647
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: not paying game. Well. It's like if you have a quarterback,

648
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: like when Jamis Winston came and sorry to cut off

649
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: the other day, it's gonna make this play real quick.

650
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: When Jameis Winston came in um for the fox there,

651
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: he almost threw like three or four picks, but because

652
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: the decursive backs dropped him and everything else than the

653
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: narrative was amazing, and he scored all these points of

654
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah bho tris. I mean, they

655
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: were not like they were ugly picks, bumbled it into

656
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: the end zone for a touchdown, things like that. So

657
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: I just think that the narrative just get well sure,

658
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, but the narrative is always based on our results.

659
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that goes with her quest. Believe me,

660
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: if the Giants finished eleven and five, there wouldn't have

661
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: been any discussion about Eli Manning. But they finished five

662
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: and eleven, and they written one in seven. And as

663
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: I've said, you know, I've quoted him several times former

664
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: GM Ernie. Of course he's saying the quarterback is always

665
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: the lightning rod, and Eli is the lightning rod times two.

666
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: And then on another factor, excuse me, Chris, and thank

667
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: you for the call, but U one other factor is

668
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: where does Rivers play? And where does Big Ben play?

669
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: And where does Eli play? He lies under the hottest microscope.

670
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: But also you have to remember that the same heat

671
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: was getting tossed towards Philip Rivers two seasons ago right

672
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: in San Diego until they fixed and address the offensive

673
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: line with their draft picks and free agency. You know.

674
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: So it's he comes when you lose. Yeah, that's it,

675
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: he comes when you lose. Let's go to Montclair. I'm

676
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: assuming that's nearby Montclair, New Jersey, and check in with Maurice. Hello, Maurice, Hey,

677
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: what's going on, gentlemen? How are you doing? Alright? Happy

678
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: New Year to you two guys. Um, I just want

679
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: to make my call really quick, and if one of

680
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: you have a pen, do one of you guys have

681
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: a pen or pencil near you? Okay, okay, So I'm

682
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: gonna give out visa someone just to have fun with

683
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: the show. Just throw out some awards that kind of

684
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: uh different awards, but I'm gonna throw them out there,

685
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: and you guys write them down. I just would like

686
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: to hear you guys elaborate on them. So number one

687
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you is most Improved Player of the year.

688
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: Um number two, we'll give them to give them to me.

689
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Who's your most improved player? Oh for me? Oh you're

690
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: you're asking us? Yeah, I'm just getting you guys taken alright,

691
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, So number one was the most improved

692
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: player of the year. Um number two, I had the

693
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: unsung player of the year. Number three. I think we

694
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: all would agree on one player, but that was the

695
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: m V Pier of the year. And number four the

696
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: optimistic player of the year. Heading into year, Maurice, you

697
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: got too much time on your hands, my brother, the

698
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: most optimistic and and uh, the last two are the

699
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year and the surprise Player of

700
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: the Year. Thank you, gentlemen. Surprised, Okay, most improved? Any

701
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: thoughts are most improved? Um, I'm trying to think of

702
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: from last season to this. Yeah, quantify that. I don't know.

703
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I don't know from you know. It's also very hard

704
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: because you'll only have third team players that season, so

705
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: that's hard. Unsung. I'll give you a too. Candidates for

706
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: unsung UH Special Teams captain Michael Thomas and a receiver

707
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: and another special teams player, Gunner Russell Shepherd. Most Improved.

708
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: We could go Rojas, Yes, yeah, for sure, Aldre Rojas

709
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: right then and there. But in terms of Michael Thomas

710
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: and UH and Russell Shepherd, two guys, well, listen, Michael

711
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Thomas is also the Giants pick for nominee for the

712
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: NFL Walter Payton the Year Award. But he did a

713
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: good job and he's a terrific leader. All those guys

714
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: as far as um, you know, I don't know. The

715
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: optimistic Player of the Year. That's a new one. But

716
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: thank you for throwing that up towards. Let's go to

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00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: our buddy in UH Delaware, Coach Marvin Hello, coach, happy

718
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: and healthy new year. My friend, Happy New Year. How

719
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: you doing, David. We're doing great. Oh that's good. Um.

720
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: What I was trobling is, uh, I was just gonna

721
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: go over every you know, everybody's kind of concerned. I'm

722
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: sure if it's going to be really concerned about the

723
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: draft pick. This year is pretty dominated by defensive players.

724
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: Throughout the draft this year got offense. Not a lot

725
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: of first round offensive players. But I think, what's going

726
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 1: to happen. But I'm hoping and I know they're doing

727
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: their you know on the guy. Yeah, yeah, looking at

728
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: quarterback probably and uh, I think at them after watching

729
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: him the night snipe, I think the kids may have something.

730
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: Hopefully they do look at him. But I have one

731
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: guy that's a sleeper that I think they should. I'm

732
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: hoping they're looking at and and I'm not saying he's

733
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: a Baker Mayfield, but he has these intangibles like Baker Mayfield.

734
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: And that's uh mc sorley. It's something about the kids

735
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: from Penn State. If you want it, he's familiar with Barkley.

736
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: Not they say that's going to make a difference, but

737
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his intangibles as far as leadership. He

738
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: was doing it when Barkley was there last year. Actually

739
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: my boss, um, my chief was the was an alumni

740
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: of pent State. So last year I was more fruiting

741
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: for us to take Barkley. And if they didn't take Barkley,

742
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I wanted Mayfield because the intangibles that may feel brings

743
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: to the game, not just his arm in actacy. Sometimes

744
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: you have those things, but you've gotta be smart with

745
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: those things also, and mc toley had those intangibles his leadership.

746
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he was knocked out of that game, um

747
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: at the good yesterday and he came back in the

748
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: game and you can see the energy from the team

749
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: when he came back and the energy from the fans

750
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: when he came back in the game. And make Field

751
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: brings that same energy to Cleveland. And and again I

752
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: believe Eli will be the quarterback. Yeah, I think it

753
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: will be crazy not to have him back, Um, but

754
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: you know I will. You know, let's see rookie from

755
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: Poli would be the guy. But they're going to compete.

756
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: And if the guy, if HELI struggle and then then

757
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: they got the young guy get his opportunity to the place.

758
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: Fall will be planned out in a way where not

759
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: to be controversial when he got the media and the

760
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: fans rooting for the guy to get in the game

761
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: over Eli. It will be depending on how everything for

762
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: him with the team. And uh, I think we're in

763
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: a good position to make those decisions on who's gonna

764
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: be saying doesn't have to be in the first round

765
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: quarter back slowly maybe in the second round. We do

766
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: need a pass Russian will be another offensive alignment linebacker

767
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: and corner. So coach, you just said a mouthful right there.

768
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're you've been listening to

769
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: the whole show, but that's what we were talking about.

770
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman said flat out, he's gonna do what he

771
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: did last ye He's gonna draft the best athlete available

772
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: at the time when it comes to them now, and

773
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: that's best athlete of value and and value as well.

774
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: So obviously you know he's gonna have a red flag

775
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: with the broken foot. It's not going to allow him

776
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: to heal up in time for the Senior Bowl, which

777
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: is three weeks away. And I can understand what you're saying.

778
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: He's a proven winner and what he's done in Penn

779
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: State and the leadership qualities over his five years. That's

780
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: that's great, But at the same time, you've got to

781
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: take into account that he's listed as six ft two

782
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: oh one on the roster. That's a small body to

783
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: be entering the NFL when you're not at the top

784
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: talent level at the quarterback position to be able to

785
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: take those hits and sustain them for a long period

786
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: of time and in your career, right, And I understand

787
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: that David and I are would be against those type

788
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: of guys, but as you know, sometimes these guys art

789
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: is not measured by measurements. That was the fifth round

790
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: draft pick. Coach, if I know what you're saying, Yeah, no, not.

791
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: You know, you got Russell Wilson who was coming out.

792
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: Well he's a little too small. He did this, and

793
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: don't do that. And look what he does. You have

794
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: Baker Makefield. Oh he's a little too small. You can't

795
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: see over the big guys. But somehow these guys found

796
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: the lanes to throw the ball. And not okay, but

797
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: I think the characteristics of Baker Mayfield and of Russell

798
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Wilson were better than mc sorley's. I mean, you can't

799
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: sit here and say that and make that same argument.

800
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: You could say they're the same hype, but their characteristics,

801
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: that their attributes are different and throwing you know a

802
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Drew Brees as well. Yeah,

803
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: but and and I agree with you, you can compare them.

804
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: And I think the main thing I don't want to

805
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: compare them because the guys were talking about are already

806
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: playing and makes But I think he'll get an opportunity.

807
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: I'll think he'll get a shot. I'm staying in a

808
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: sense of where mcsley is now and where they were

809
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: at the time place where he is, uh, what Russell

810
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: Wilson wasn't where he is now than what he was

811
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: in comtage, And that's what I'm trying to measure them

812
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: in a sense of when they were coming out of college.

813
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: But even coming out of college, she had a higher

814
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: draft grade and potential and it was a bigger prospect

815
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: that mcsrely was. And granted, yeah, of course, now if

816
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: you go back and you ask anybody when it goes

817
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: to the draft that they were gonna wait that long

818
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: to draft Russell Wilson, they would have took him in

819
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: the first round if they would have known, right right, right, listen,

820
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: Joe Montana went in the third round. You know, if

821
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: they would have known, Yeah, okay, and Bill Bill Walsh

822
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: had all intentions of drafting a fellow out the name

823
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: of Phil Sims, you know, instead of Joe Montana, but

824
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Joy Young took him in the first round. But once again,

825
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: that actually volidifies what he's saying that you just don't know.

826
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: They truly don't, right. And it's the same thing with Brady.

827
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: Brady had none of those characteristics and he wasn't that

828
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: way when he because I was living in New England

829
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: at the time when he started. He wasn't even that

830
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: good great of a quarterback when he got in the game.

831
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: He just maintained that didn't make a lot of mistakes,

832
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: and he grew into their system and became who he

833
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: is by growing into that system so long that he

834
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: got better because they was relying on the running games,

835
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: they had special teams and definitely their defense. They didn't

836
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: rely on Brady to win games. They just didn't want

837
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: him to lose those games. And what you're talking about

838
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: right now, or is the way that general managers are

839
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: critiqued and looked upon is based upon not just their

840
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: first and second round draft picks, but it's their third

841
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: or fourth, or fifth, the sixth, the seven throughout. How

842
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: do they develop those players? And what were those picks

843
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: in those late round drafts that are the meat and

844
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: potatoes of your farm system in your organization. Thanks for

845
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: the call, coach, Alright, thank you, that's true. Yeah, you

846
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: know it's it's you just don't know. You don't know

847
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: what somebody's gonna do when they capitalize on an opportunity.

848
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Speaker 1: Look at Adam DeLand, prime example in Minnesota. He was

849
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Speaker 1: a small school kid in a small school of Minnesota.

850
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: They brought him in for the rookie minicamp for that,

851
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Speaker 1: then from that he hung on to get onto the

852
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Speaker 1: regular training camp and regular roster. Then is able to

853
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Speaker 1: work his way through practice squad, through the special teams

854
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: to now where he had the season that he had

855
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. You know, you're talking about Penn State. That

856
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: was a pretty good running back some years back at

857
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Speaker 1: a Penn State by the name of Blair Thomas. Blair

858
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: Thomas and Jets grabbed him and you know he was

859
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: what was he I think was the one pick or

860
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Speaker 1: the two pick, Okay, and you know it didn't work out.

861
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Speaker 1: And I remember asking George young about that pick when

862
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: when George was you know, let him rest in piece,

863
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Speaker 1: the general manager of the Giants, and George said, pulls

864
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Speaker 1: out in his draw. Everybody us and everybody in this

865
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: league had Blair Thomas at the top. And that's a

866
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: classic example of you never know, you just don't, you

867
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: just don't. Let's go to New Haven, Connecticut, check in

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Speaker 1: with Ezekiel. Hello, Zekiel, how are you doing. I'm doing good.

869
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: How are you guys good? How are you doing? I

870
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: was just I saw that you guys are live on

871
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: a giant chance. I got the notification. Um. I was

872
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: just Odell Beckham is one of the best wide receivers

873
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: in the league. Um. And he came out a few

874
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: weeks ago with the Hampshire injury. He didn't play since

875
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: quad and jams right, Um, And we know Odell when

876
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: in certain situations get he gets a little frustrated. Um.

877
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: You know last season with the whole kicking, kicking, kicker's

878
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: net and all lot of stuff. Um. So I was

879
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: just wondering, um, if you guys know, if it could

880
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: be that he was able to come back in the

881
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: final two weeks. He just uh didn't want to know.

882
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean I have spoken to him several times, and Ezekiel,

883
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: everybody can speculate, you know, because he's another guy who's

884
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: the lightning rod. You know, he's soft. He doesn't want

885
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: to play go ask his teammates. I would see him

886
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: in walking past the you know, the training area. He's

887
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: working diligently with the strength coach whatever. He was trying

888
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: to get himself ready. I mean, I'm not a doctor.

889
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: I can't go into a squad to tell you how bad.

890
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: But he is not a dog. He wasn't dogging it.

891
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: And anybody who puts that narrative out is just putting

892
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: it out because they got an issue. You know. It's like,

893
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: let's pick on Odell. You know some of the dumbest

894
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: remarks I heard, and thank you for the call, Ezekiel.

895
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: Some of the dumbest remarks I heard this season ever

896
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: in football. Quite frankly, this season or any season, Giants

897
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: might be better off. Let me throw it to a

898
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: former player, Bart Scott throws it out. You know, I

899
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: think he's soft, and you know, maybe they're better without Odell. Well,

900
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: you know they lost their last three games without Odell?

901
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: Are they better? Da've gettleman? When somebody asked him, how's

902
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: the offense with our oldell? They've Gettleman's answer was, we

903
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: lost three. We lost one to three without O'Dell. I mean,

904
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's just silly. But that is because it's

905
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. Juan. Let me think about it, that last

906
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: drive up against the Dallas Cowboys, who's Eli Manning throwing

907
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 1: too at the wide receiver position? One off his wide

908
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: receivers just was on the practice squad and brought up

909
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: and that's who he's throwing too in the final drive

910
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: to win a game up against the Dallas Cowboys. You're

911
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: telling me having Odell Beckham Jr. Out there for that

912
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: drive wouldn't make a difference. And you're telling me what

913
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: it made a difference versus the Colts or the Titans

914
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: who just had a loaded box to shadow sa Quon.

915
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: Come on, it's a ridiculous statement. Speaking of which, though

916
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: Cody Latimer certainly yeah, he made not one, but two

917
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: quick what not only the two catches with terrific catches,

918
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: but the throws so he can make those catches with

919
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: darts on the dine. Not to mention that's one of

920
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: the players that you hope would emerge this season on

921
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: this roster from bringing him over from the free agency.

922
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: It's just the injuries killed him. Yeah, he was on

923
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: an injured reserve for a while and he came back.

924
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: But you know, that was good to see him come back, definitely,

925
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he got to display something, you know,

926
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: and you could look at him. I think they were

927
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: looking at him as the third wide receiver. So you listen,

928
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: there were a couple of things at the end of

929
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Speaker 1: the season. We're getting ready to wrap things up here,

930
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: a couple of things at the end of the season

931
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: which really made me feel good. Evan Ingram came back

932
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: after his injury, and you know, Dave, you you could

933
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: maybe answered as better, but I don't think he just

934
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: came back healthy and physically. I think maybe some of

935
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: the losing and and everything got to him and and

936
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: and then heard some criticisms dropping the ball, but he

937
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: came back stronger physically and mentally because he was outstanding

938
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: when he came back, especially when they were able to

939
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: use different ways in space to run the football. That's

940
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: why you want a dynamic athletic tight end like that

941
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: or h BacT that you can use in those different ways.

942
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: And it was wasn't just about his play, It was

943
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: about his attitude because if there was any body more

944
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: disappointed than him, nobody was because you could see it

945
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: on his face and the way that he came here

946
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: to work. He really but Yeah, and it was also

947
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: great to see he was healthy again and you got

948
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: to see um Pat Sherman and Mike Shula using him

949
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: in days that they took advantage of his ability. I

950
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: mean he runs like a deer, of course. I mean,

951
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's like he glides, takes those big strides,

952
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: and he's a talented, gut kid and he's and he's tough,

953
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 1: and he showed me some toughness. You know, he doesn't

954
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: he's not that stereotypical. He's not like Red Ellison. You know,

955
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: he's he's a I don't want to say glamour tight end,

956
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: but he's like a tass catching he's like what he

957
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: would you say, a tweener. Yeah, has to be his

958
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: best season. It has to be a third year. It

959
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: was pretty Uh, it was pretty impressive. Anyway, Folks got

960
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: a reminder for everybody, Big Blue Kickoff Live will be

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00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: back for you tomorrow right here at one thirty. There

962
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: is no show on Friday. Okay, mark that down. No

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Speaker 1: show Friday, and then beginning next Monday, Big Blue Kickoff

964
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Speaker 1: we'll be back weekdays New time at new I'm sure

965
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: that's until next season and again weekdays at noon on

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00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: Giants dot Com and the Giants app Uh. For myself

967
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: and for David Deal, I want to thank uh Dave

968
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: Dominic that takes care of us as always, you the fans,

969
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: for Dave Deal and myself. This will be our last

970
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff live conversation with you people until next season.

971
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Speaker 1: So everybody have a happy and healthy New Year as

972
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: it gets started, Stay safe and look forward to good

973
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: things in the coming season. For two thousand and nineteen,

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Speaker 1: take care of people.