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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented

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Speaker 1: by the Forge f series DJ Buck here in the

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Speaker 1: Beast Quake Room. Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing all right, trying to catch up. I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: We got lots of notebooks. Can you give us a

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Speaker 1: little teaser though, what's coming up in the Buckey notebook

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Speaker 1: this week? Looking at the Shan Watson. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: on the Sean McDermott and Leslie Freesier. All right, I

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Speaker 1: the folks an idea what we've got coming up A

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Speaker 1: little Monday Night football preview just took place, right or

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Speaker 1: with the UH the Redskins and the Chiefs. Really good

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Speaker 1: football game. We'll break that down for you real quick.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Sean Watson and Buck just mentioned our

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Speaker 1: offensive line of the week. Our Ford Built are Built,

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Speaker 1: Ford Tough h offensive line of the week something, la,

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Speaker 1: We get that right? What is that called? It's called

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Speaker 1: it's the Offensive Line of the Week, presented by the

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Speaker 1: Ford F series. That was so close. We'll get that going.

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Speaker 1: We got Coach Lily joined us or once a month

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Speaker 1: in college football for a long time coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna help us break down the Thursday night football

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Speaker 1: matchup this week, which Sully is that is between the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers and New England Patriots. That is a

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Speaker 1: they're really struggling. It is there's no doubt it's exciting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Thursday night games kind of get a bad rap,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I get it. You know, it's hard

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Speaker 1: on coaches, it's hard on players, just the quick turnaround.

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Speaker 1: But this is one that's got the potential when his

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Speaker 1: tea teams don't play each other. So you know, you

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Speaker 1: you talk about Tom Brady and Jamis Winston and you

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Speaker 1: know it's it's you know, four games in or three

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Speaker 1: games in for the bucks in this case, you can't

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Speaker 1: react to anything. But I mean there's a lot on

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Speaker 1: the surface here. Like you said, you've got the number

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Speaker 1: one and number three past offenses in the league, and

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Speaker 1: you got the last and next to last past defenses

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Speaker 1: in the league. So it may take a while to

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Speaker 1: play this game. It might be a lot of passes.

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Speaker 1: It could be exciting to watch, you know, coach the

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Speaker 1: critical areas when you evaluate and tape often in the

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Speaker 1: red zone and on third Now, so when you're doing

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Speaker 1: your tape study, what what kind of things did you

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Speaker 1: uncover on those critical situations? Well, I totally agree with you, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: And and you know what they're always saying, I mean,

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks get paid and games get one and lost because

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Speaker 1: the third down and red area performance, you know, really

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Speaker 1: and and it's really intriguing with these two teams because

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Speaker 1: last year you had Julian Edelman that had twenty eight

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Speaker 1: third down receptions yead Mike Evans had had eight third

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Speaker 1: down receptions for for Tampa and that was the cops

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Speaker 1: among wide receivers in the NFL. I think DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight as well, but I get them is

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Speaker 1: not gonna have any this year, you know, and and

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans. Once you put up numbers like that, people

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Speaker 1: know they gotta take you away. So it's it's been

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Speaker 1: interesting studying it, um, you know. For New England, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's been as you would imagine it's been. Rob Bronkowski

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Speaker 1: has been kind of their their go to gallon third down,

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Speaker 1: but they spread it around pretty good with Hogan and

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Speaker 1: and Doola and then James White got involved a lot

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Speaker 1: more of this past weekend, Parsley, because it just a

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Speaker 1: lot of zone coverage, you know, from Carolina right there.

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Speaker 1: And I think a really kind of a hidden thing

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Speaker 1: from New England side of it is that they have

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Speaker 1: got to do a great job on first down and

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Speaker 1: second down because when they played Carolina, they were it

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Speaker 1: was seven out of ten if it was third and

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Speaker 1: four or less, which, Okay, I get it, it's always

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Speaker 1: easier when it's when it's a lesser yardage. But they

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Speaker 1: really did a nice job convert because again, they could

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Speaker 1: could get in some of those holes in the zone

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Speaker 1: and catch the ball and then just get tackled and

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Speaker 1: make a first down. When it got to be the

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Speaker 1: long yardage, it was a lot harder to find that area.

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Speaker 1: You know, Carolina was content to sit back and then

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Speaker 1: just go tackle the ball care and uh and it

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Speaker 1: gives the pass rush time to get there too, which

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Speaker 1: obviously struggled with. I didn't say it a minute ago

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Speaker 1: when we talked about Tom Brady, but I mean, guys

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Speaker 1: to pace. The guy is on. You know, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: throw it for like an NFL record yard about yards

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Speaker 1: if he keeps us up. But he's also gonna take

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Speaker 1: I think it's fifty two sacks is what it translates

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Speaker 1: out to. He's AD thirteen already, and um, so you

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Speaker 1: know you've got that to deal with. But I think

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Speaker 1: the other thing on that is Tampa bid his own

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Speaker 1: team obviously, and really personnel wise, with some injuries right now,

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Speaker 1: may not have the personnel to match up in man coverage.

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Speaker 1: But that's kind of where they go to when it

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Speaker 1: gets to the third and two to four area and

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Speaker 1: uh and so that's where now you get a chance

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Speaker 1: for New England to see, Okay, who's gonna cover Rob

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Speaker 1: Bronkowski because I don't know who that is for them

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Speaker 1: unless t J. Wards somehow gets back. He did a

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Speaker 1: really nice job a couple of years ago in the

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Speaker 1: a f C Championship game before he got hurt that day.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know who that is, you know that

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Speaker 1: can do that for them, And I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the bad linebacker situation they have. Who covers the back

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Speaker 1: you know for them in man coverage and they've been

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Speaker 1: hurt some Um. I know even with the Rams last year,

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Speaker 1: we got a third or two latey game and we're

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Speaker 1: able to check to a zero blitz call and hit

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Speaker 1: Tavon Austin on a corner route for about a fifty

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Speaker 1: yard touchdown. Um, you know. So that's where New England

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Speaker 1: wants to get them, but they've got to do a

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Speaker 1: good job obviously to get it down there. And then

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Speaker 1: Tampa has not had a pass for us this year.

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Speaker 1: You know, one sack, Yeah, I mean it's one sack

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Speaker 1: in three games man at thirty eight last year. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously I'm not great at math, but I can figure

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Speaker 1: out one sack. I mean they're gonna get four or

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Speaker 1: five this year at that rate. Um, So, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be interestant. They did a lot of things

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Speaker 1: last week, used a lot of guys to try to

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Speaker 1: find some pass rus. We've got Noah Spence back. I'm

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Speaker 1: eager to see him. He's gonna be on the offenses

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Speaker 1: right side. So it's gonna be him against Marcus Cannon

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Speaker 1: and who struggled with Pepper's last weekend. And uh, I

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Speaker 1: think maybe still has a little bit of an ankle

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Speaker 1: or something, and if nothing else, the outside rush may

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Speaker 1: force Brady up into pocket a little bit. And that's

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Speaker 1: where Gerald McCoy and and Airs are gonna be, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you get into the third, third down situations. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell him both these teams, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: get off on a tangent. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: great things that stand out, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: anything stands out more than Gerald McCoy's get off play

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Speaker 1: after play for sixty minutes. I mean, it's unbelievable when

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Speaker 1: you watch it coach. We uh, we gotta role. I

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Speaker 1: gotta get your prediction here real quick. We gotta pick

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Speaker 1: a winner in this game. Put you on the spot.

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Speaker 1: Who do you like? Oh my goys, that's brutal. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna straddle the fence really big on this.

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Speaker 1: I think I love both coaching staffs. Okay. I think

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Speaker 1: New England back against the wall. They love to be there.

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Speaker 1: You know, people start to doubt them that usually when

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Speaker 1: they come out swinging. I've always picked the home team

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night, and especially coming off the emotional games

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Speaker 1: that these teams had on Sunday. New England loses on

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Speaker 1: a walk off field goal. Have a Bay wins Jameis

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Speaker 1: Winston kind of I don't want to over emphasize it,

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Speaker 1: but kind of a career making drive right there early

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Speaker 1: in the year, you know, or a season making drive maybe,

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Speaker 1: and they went in on the field goal momentum, home crowd.

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Speaker 1: They won't find a way to get it done. So

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Speaker 1: I'll go Tampa bad. You don't like to make predictions,

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Speaker 1: but we got We got you on the spot, coach,

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Speaker 1: and you pick the winner for us. Hey man, we

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Speaker 1: uh we appreciate you breaking that down. Appreciate you getting

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Speaker 1: off the fence giving us a winner. And for those

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Speaker 1: at home, they want to watch this game Thursday Night

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Speaker 1: Football Pats Bucks PM, East Coast Time, NFL Network, CBS.

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Speaker 1: You can also check it out on Amazon Prime. A

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Speaker 1: lot of options there for you to check out this game. Hey, coach,

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Speaker 1: great work, project number two. We got another one coming

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Speaker 1: up next month and we look forward to it. Sounds old.

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Speaker 1: Watch the bunch sets by Tampa Bay, New England struggle

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Speaker 1: with him last week. They played him about four different

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Speaker 1: ways to be ready to see if they got that

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Speaker 1: fixture of Tampa Bay exploits it. We're on it. We're

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Speaker 1: on it very much. That's coach John Lily. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, sir. We'll catch you next week. Thanks Jan,

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys. A lot of fun, all right, buck, Nice

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Speaker 1: to have coach Lily back on the show. Always enjoy

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Speaker 1: our visits with him. But let's let's jump over into

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Speaker 1: some college football. And first of all, uh, let's start

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Speaker 1: with the picks. I only say that because I didn't

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Speaker 1: finish in last place this week. Kent and Sully both

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Speaker 1: had ten and one week's nice work. Something went right

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Speaker 1: this weekend and then I mean, they always picked the game,

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Speaker 1: so obviously they should they should be it should be.

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Speaker 1: I don't pick the games. CAT does well. Anyways, it's working.

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Speaker 1: I went I want nine and two, Bucky seven and four,

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Speaker 1: but I'm still on the seller overall in the season.

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Speaker 1: I got your game ahead of me, buck Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: six behind, can't geez, I'm seven behind. So we got

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Speaker 1: some We've got some work to do there. But I

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Speaker 1: thought we'd jump into a couple of things that we

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Speaker 1: saw um this weekend. I'll get to what I saw

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Speaker 1: and learning Wyoming is actually a chance to call Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen and Wyoming's game up there, and uh definitely got

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Speaker 1: some social media attraction on what I wrote about Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen after the game. So we'll get there in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. But I did go back and watch the

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Speaker 1: Clemson game and the Alabama game because this seems inevitable.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna see these two teams square off, and I

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Speaker 1: do agree with the masses that they're heading shoulders. But

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Speaker 1: everybody else in college football right now I mean too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have done a great job of recruiting,

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Speaker 1: and all you have to do is look at the

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Speaker 1: recruiting brankings the last three or four or five years,

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Speaker 1: they have been cleaning up. They're getting all the four

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Speaker 1: and five star players and Dabbo Sweeney and Nick's ha

599
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: been do a great job of developing their stars. And

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Speaker 1: so when you look at that platform and you look

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Speaker 1: at the landscape, I don't know if you can find

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Speaker 1: another team Ohio State maybe in the mix that has

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Speaker 1: a loaded roster like those two. And so ultimately talent wins.

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Speaker 1: And they have seemed to hit on the quarterbacks as well,

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Speaker 1: particularly down at Clemson where Kelly Bryant is playing like

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Speaker 1: a star. Right after the shots, they're going back and

607
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: watching their defense in that game and and watching the tape.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they are fast. They are fast at

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Speaker 1: every level. Then I know, you know, you look at

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Speaker 1: what they had a linebacker last year, a lot of leadership.

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Speaker 1: They lost some of that leadership. But they're more athletic

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Speaker 1: and they're more explosive. And when you look at all

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Speaker 1: the different twists and games and stunts that they're running

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Speaker 1: up front, creating a lot of havoc. When you watch them,

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Speaker 1: a lot of times you see, Okay, as a coach,

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Speaker 1: you scheme it up and you get a run through

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00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: there there are so many snaps, so they have two

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Speaker 1: guys clean coming through. I mean, it is ridiculous. They're

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Speaker 1: holding up well and coverage in the back end. So

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Speaker 1: Clemson they look outstanding. But then when I watch Alabama,

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Speaker 1: that is just it's just grown man football. Buck up front,

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Speaker 1: they're great. The all the running backs talk about that,

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Speaker 1: but I when I watched them, I actually had to

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Speaker 1: write down the numbers of the receivers. I wrote down.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows about Calvin Ridley, but seventeen went down seventeen four.

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Speaker 1: Who's your guy, Jerry Judy? One is Foster. I mean,

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00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: these guys all look beautiful. I mean they're big, athletic, fast,

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Speaker 1: and they run after the catch. They're competitive. So you

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Speaker 1: know about the backs, were here about them. We know

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Speaker 1: how physical they are in the trenches. This is a

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Speaker 1: good looking group. And why not they got to a

632
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: good looking group. I mean, when you go back to

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Speaker 1: Alabama and Nick Saban, they're all about prototypes. They're about

634
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: the trades. They're about making sure that they have the height, weight,

635
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Speaker 1: speed things that are typically playing in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason why they excel in this because Nick

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Speaker 1: Saban has a philosophy that football is like boxed and

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why you don't put middleweights in the

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Speaker 1: ring with heavyweights. And they viewed themselves as heavyweights. They

640
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Speaker 1: go and get heavyweight UH players, and so they feel

641
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: like they can knock you around. I think the interesting

642
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to those two teams, UH styles

643
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: make fights. If Alabama is the old school slobber knocker,

644
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: team Clipson is the new school. We're gonna run around,

645
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: get on the perimeter. And when they play, I mean,

646
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: they're fireworks, just fireworks. Because both games that they have

647
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: played have been very, very competitive. They have no question.

648
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: So it just seems like that's where we're headed at

649
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: would not surprise me at all. I went back and

650
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: watched Mason Rudolph in their game last Speak against Texas Tech,

651
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: which was a nail biter. Uh. Just some of my

652
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: notes from watching him from the week buck um everything. Hey, look,

653
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: when it's read number one, the balls out, it's accurate,

654
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: there's timing, there's touch, no question one's not there. He

655
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: he likes to kind of move around outside the pocket.

656
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: He's not the most athletic guy, but he likes trying

657
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: to move around. I like to see him just be

658
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: able to sit and scan a little bit more, hang

659
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: in there a little bit more. Um, that's something he

660
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: can work on. But um, you know, look, he's he's

661
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: accurate at all three levels. Um had he actually had

662
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: a game way the game when he touchdown running this game.

663
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: So he's not a great athlete, but if the yards

664
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: are there, he'll take him. My biggest thing, if you're

665
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: looking for, you know, the positives, it's the accuracy in

666
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: the touch. If you're looking for the negatives. I don't

667
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: think there's really anything explosive about him, you know, just

668
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: in terms of the ball jumping out of his hand

669
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Speaker 1: or him being an explosive mover. There's just he's kind

670
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: of a monotone guy. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing that

671
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of jumps out. He's good in several areas. I

672
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: don't think he's great in anyone area. And he plays

673
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: really with a cast of playmakers on the outside. Yet

674
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: as horrific Washington is terrific eight he makes a ton

675
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: of plays. Um, they have another one number one yes

676
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: to wide receivers, two big time wide receivers. They can

677
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: really turn those short games into big, big plays. So

678
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: he understands how to distribute and play it. He's one

679
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: of those guys that I think you grade probably as

680
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: a B B plus. I don't know if he ever

681
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: gets to a level when it comes down to your

682
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: grading chet. Yeah, no, it's uh, it's interesting to see

683
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: his his uh evaluation against maybe a player like Luke Falk.

684
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, see how those guys sort themselves out throughout

685
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: the process. They're very I think they're very comparable in

686
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: terms of where they fit in the final Now. I

687
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: think we'll see him probably both of the Senior Bowl, right,

688
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure they both should be there. They probably have

689
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: to be there, and I think they should probably be

690
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: clustered in that same tier when we go into the

691
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in the beginning of the postseason. Anyways. Yeah,

692
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: that's it'll be interesting to follow those guys as they

693
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: go forward. Let's jump to Josh Allen because I had

694
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: a chance to call their game against Texas State, and

695
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: I know Texas State is not a good football team, uh,

696
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: And I know the numbers of what John Shalon has

697
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: done against Iowa this year, against Oregon this year. You

698
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: look at Nebraska last year, they don't look good. The

699
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: numbers don't look good, and I kind of tried to

700
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: explain in this post a couple of different things that

701
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: I believe are true, at least for me, in terms

702
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: of the physical upside that he possesses. And I'm talking

703
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: about arm strength and ability to move around, athletic ability

704
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and comes in a six ft five plus package at

705
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: two pounds. It's rare. It's rare. I go down there

706
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: for warmups before the game. He's on the opposite forty

707
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: throwing the ball into the back pylon repeatedly, easily, with

708
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: very little strained, very little effort. He goes to the

709
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: far hash He's throwing deep out to the other side

710
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: of the field. The ball is about six ft off

711
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: the ground, just absolutely flying. I mean it jumps out

712
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: of his hand. He's got rare arm talent. So the size,

713
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: the arm strength, the athletic ability. This is a guy

714
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: last year who rushed for five hundred yards and had

715
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: seven touchdowns. That speaks a little bit to his athleticism.

716
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: This year, the numbers are down, the turnovers are up.

717
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: Everybody you know kind of saying, Okay, maybe the pressure

718
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: has gotten to him. He's the guy. He's not raising

719
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: the level play around him. Went back and watch the

720
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: tape of every game and then went and saw him

721
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: play live. There's just not a lot of speed around him.

722
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: There's guys aren't separating, Guys can't get open. Now, I'm

723
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: not removing all of the blame from him. He's got

724
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: to do a better job protecting the football. He's trying

725
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: to extend plays. He's loose with the football. He's got fumbles,

726
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: he's forcing balls, he's got turnovers. The accuracy numbers he has,

727
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: some balls take off on him. He's not a finished

728
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: product Bucky by any stretch of the imagination. But what

729
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: he can potentially be is gonna be so dang enticing

730
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: to NFL teams. You're gonna forgive a lot of the

731
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: warts that exist. I think that's ultimately what scouting is

732
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: uh Ron wolf Head of saying, don't tell me what

733
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: he can do, tell me what he can do. And

734
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: so when you look at Josh Allen, the big thing

735
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: is going to be what could he be in two

736
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: to three years. And you said it better than anybody

737
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: when you came in on Sunday, you said, man, like,

738
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: watching him for a scout is like smoking crack. He has,

739
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: But just just you know, just saying that he exhibits

740
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: all the qualities that you look for. Big arm, big athletic,

741
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: guy with mobility, can get outside the pocket, can make

742
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: plays with his feet, can make every throw that you

743
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: seemingly want a quarterback to make. Those two things will

744
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: give you an opportunity. Then when it comes down to

745
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: your level of confidence as a coach, oh, I can

746
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: develop him. Here's how I put him in my system.

747
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Maybe we have a veteran quarterback in place that we

748
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: have some time, I e. The Kansas City Chiefs Alex

749
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: Smith taken on the Pat Mahomes, or a team like

750
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: maybe the New York Giants need a quarterback to replace Chargers,

751
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers. Teams that have a veteran quarterback in

752
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: place where you can say we have a two year

753
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: plan to get this guy up to speeding ready. I

754
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: believe Josh Allen continues regardless of what the tape says,

755
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: he's going to be a top fifteen pick, just because

756
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: when you check off the box in terms of height, weight, speed,

757
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: arm talent, he's gonna great out. Well. This is gonna

758
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: be an interesting one for analytics folks, because I'm anxious

759
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: to see what the numbers look like I don't know

760
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: what you even called. What you call like adjusted completion percentage,

761
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna have to go through, and I mean, I

762
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: guess I could do it. I could do it in

763
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: the spring when I get some time. But go through

764
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: and count up the drops and then do the adjusted completion.

765
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: You have to do it for all the quarterbacks to

766
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: make it fair. Apples to apples, no question, But I'm

767
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: telling you there are four and five drops in some

768
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: of these games that you're watching. So you look at

769
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: how he picks are not his fault? Well yeah, but

770
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: then on the other side of it, now, to be fair,

771
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: there's a throw against why it should have been a

772
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: pick six that was dropped. So to take those numbers in,

773
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: I would love to see what those look like, because

774
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: sitting at fifty or whatever he is at right now

775
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: does not look good. I have readily admit that. But

776
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: when you adjust an account for some things, I'm just

777
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: fascinated to see how it all shakes out. Now, there's

778
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: lots of time before we get to time, but ultimately

779
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: it comes down to is the debate is going to

780
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: be projection versus production? The projection is going to be

781
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: greater than the production has been on tape. And what

782
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: camp do you lie in? Do I want to see

783
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: it before I buy into it? Or am I one

784
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: that believes that, Oh I've seen enough that I know

785
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: that I can develop it. Yeah, it's gonna be. Like

786
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's gonna be one of the

787
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: more fascinating quarterback evaluations that I can't remember. And I'm

788
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that he's gonna get his his degree here

789
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: in the fall. I don't know where he is in

790
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: regard to that, but if he can and he can

791
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: go to the Senior Bowl for the week, I think

792
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: he could really really help himself. Absolutely can't help himself

793
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: with what he does down there. So little bit juicyvis

794
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: of a Senior Bowl potentially last year. Yeah, well you

795
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 1: you get Mason, Rudolph and Falk and get him in there.

796
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: But be a good looking group. I mean it'd be

797
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: a nice quarterback group. So anyways, that was my my

798
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: take there. It's funny because people you know that it

799
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: gets tweeted out and just said that. You know, I

800
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: would put Baker Mayfield now is the junior? Is he senior?

801
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: He's got to be a senior at this point right

802
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: there was Oklahoma, but there was some debate about his

803
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: eligibility and whether or not you get next year. I

804
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: haven't got back and look that up, but um, to me,

805
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's gonna be fascinated to see what happens there.

806
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: But it got tweeted out because I said I would

807
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: put his skill set up against anybody in the NFL.

808
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Is talking strictly arm strength and athletic ability combined. The size,

809
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: there's it's it's strictly strictly throwing the ball. You can

810
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: make that argument. He has the size, he has definitely

811
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: the arm talent. You talked about the long tosses that

812
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: you saw when you were there. He can make those throws.

813
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: And so if we were in a T shirts and

814
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: shorts competition, one of those quarterback competitions that we just

815
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: said a Pro Bowl years ago, you absolutely could throw

816
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: him in with any of those guys and he can compete. Now,

817
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: playing the game of football is different, but look, the

818
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: farther we get, the closer we get to the draft,

819
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: the farther we are away from how he played, the

820
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: more he's going to team. You to rise up to

821
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 1: charts and in the minds of evaluating. Yeah, it's gonna

822
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: be fun. It'll be fune to follow there. So anyways,

823
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of good college games coming up

824
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: this week. We'll get into that a little bit on

825
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: Thursday's podcast coming your way. Thank you guys again for

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00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: checking out our Sunday Night episode. Those numbers continue to

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Speaker 1: climb up, so that's getting some traction. That's been a

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Speaker 1: fun addition for us here with the movie stick stuff buck.

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Speaker 1: But man, that's uh, that's all I got unless you

830
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: got something else you want to add today. No, this

831
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: is this is a really good man. I'm looking at

832
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: these games to college games for week six. It's some

833
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: intriguing ones. I noticed my tar heels aren't up here,

834
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: but that's okay, Yeah, tar heels. Not a great start,

835
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Speaker 1: my friends. Basketball season coming basketball season? How there you go? Hey,

836
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: Tennessee's already turned the page, going to basketball season two,

837
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: making a run. Appreciate Eaves Ponds. Uh freak show. Frenchman

838
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: gonna come in, flying Frenchman, gonna take us to this

839
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Speaker 1: sweet sixteen. There you go. Yeah, alright, silly, good luck,

840
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: good luck to your basketball program. Alright, alright, let's get

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Speaker 1: out of here, let's get out of here on that now.

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