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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of gear Talk. I'm here

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Speaker 1: be honest to tell us co host Jordan Bud Jordan,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it is for you right now,

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Speaker 1: but here in Boza, Montana, it's negative ten and blowing

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Speaker 1: a gale. Not a nice day to be outside. No, man,

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Speaker 1: Boise is pretty nice. Actually, it's basically springtime here. You

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Speaker 1: wind down towards the end of February and it starts

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Speaker 1: getting real nice, like no snow on the ground. It's

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Speaker 1: getting starting to get kind of patchy in the trees,

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Speaker 1: like little tree tops are starting to stick up, and

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Speaker 1: you gotta start being careful. But yeah, I hear it's

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Speaker 1: I mean like Nebraska where the ranch is man, they've

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Speaker 1: been getting hammered since Samila to December. You. I've been

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Speaker 1: hearing that from my buddy that's over there in the

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Speaker 1: pine ridge too, and he says it's it's it's deep

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Speaker 1: and it's been a real winter this year. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My dad's like, from my predictions, we're gonna have snow

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Speaker 1: drifts in May. So well, you know what, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: have snow drifts and in May and have the snow

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Speaker 1: now in February rather than get a blizzard in May.

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Speaker 1: Once May it's here, I want it to be springtime

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Speaker 1: and looking into summer. I don't want to deal with

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Speaker 1: shelve and snow anymore in May, but I'll shovel snow

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Speaker 1: in February. Yeah, I don't blame yet. What else you've

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Speaker 1: been up to? Hello, man Um, Just been hiking. Been

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Speaker 1: trying a munch new packs, which has been really fun,

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Speaker 1: some new boots. It's been fun, like just going out

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Speaker 1: in looking at deer and elk and stuff on the

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Speaker 1: Winter Range. I like just like hitting hiking trails and

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Speaker 1: then glass and for him, it's fun to just watch him,

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Speaker 1: you know, then observe animals and such. Been shooting some

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Speaker 1: new content for some new First Light items that have

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Speaker 1: been coming out. The new furnace hoodie just launched that

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Speaker 1: you know, I've both been wearing for probably it's been

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Speaker 1: a couple of years now. I had that thing when

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Speaker 1: Steve came out, really yeah, that was like one of

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Speaker 1: the first ones. Yeah, So that thing just came out

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Speaker 1: with the new color Terra. So I've been out shooting

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Speaker 1: some content with that and I've been trying to get

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Speaker 1: new stuff coming out for late season, and it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of hard to find snow falling. It looks really

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Speaker 1: nice outside my pictures, um man, I was it was funny. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of not funny at the time, but

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Speaker 1: I was out the other day and I drove up

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Speaker 1: things are starting to melt and seem like maybe there

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Speaker 1: the roads are better than they are, but there's still

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Speaker 1: some snow around. So I like pushed it a little

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Speaker 1: bit when down this road I price shouldn't have went down,

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Speaker 1: and by the time I was like, yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: the parking lot was full of snow, but some other

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Speaker 1: people had turned around in it, and I actually got

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Speaker 1: it seemed pretty powdery to me, so I'm like, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give her hell. And I went to turn

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Speaker 1: so there's like super hard spots and then there's spots

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Speaker 1: one of those hard spots and yeah, right, like I've

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Speaker 1: got good tires on my pickup two and like I

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Speaker 1: was just spinning. So I shoveled myself out a couple

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Speaker 1: of times, made it a little ways, and I just

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Speaker 1: kept hitting hard snow. And in the parking lot there's

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Speaker 1: this nice big Forest Service sign and it has huge

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Speaker 1: like you know, they're like corner posts, like really big posts.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I have a winch on

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Speaker 1: So I had a toe strap. I put it around

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the sign posts. I hooked it to

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Speaker 1: my winch. Dude, winch myself right out of that thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like the best I thought. This thing just

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Speaker 1: paid for itself. Yeah, all it takes is getting unstuck

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Speaker 1: one time with your gear, whatever it is, whether it's

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Speaker 1: But I'm impressed at that sign. I thought the story

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Speaker 1: was gonna go that you tore down the Forest Service sign.

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Speaker 1: Now you owed the US government, all of us taxpayers

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Speaker 1: a little bit of money. No, I had this thought

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Speaker 1: even like nothing was really like touching the pumpkin or anything.

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Speaker 1: It was just like that hard snow gets so packed

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Speaker 1: so frustrating. Do you carry chains, dude, I No, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean all of our hunts are pretty much all

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Speaker 1: and I should have clearly. Oh yeah, man. I remember

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Speaker 1: December sometime, I was like, you know, it's probably a

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Speaker 1: Where we drop our trash is there's some dumpsters that

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Speaker 1: and the area by it, like the parking lot. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who maintains it. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: I could see ahead of me someone had just snowed

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Speaker 1: It's got a little slope to it, and all of

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Speaker 1: like a little tank and just jam it and it

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Speaker 1: goes slow, but it just, you know, and pushed right

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Speaker 1: stuck I don't know half dozen times. A lot of

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Speaker 1: gets a little extra sticky because you're not just trying

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Speaker 1: which it's not super heavy because you know, the snowbill

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Speaker 1: you know. But anyways, I've been meaning to pick up

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Speaker 1: some of those traction boards too. I would try those. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: those seem like an especially if it's just a short

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Speaker 1: And I think it could be just a little bit faster.

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Speaker 1: But my new bumper on my Tundra, I put a

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Speaker 1: last time I smashed a deer. I just decided to

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Speaker 1: time I hit it year And it's got a spot

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Speaker 1: got a question about the furnace hoodie. Where are you

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Speaker 1: finding use for that thing in your outdoor life for

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Speaker 1: like a hunting application. M I use it a ton

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Speaker 1: when I was guiding in Nebraska because it's like it's

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Speaker 1: basically for me, it would replace like the Klamath hoodie

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Speaker 1: or something like that. It's definitely a warmer than like

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Speaker 1: think like during Turkey season it's going to be an

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Speaker 1: you know, getting dropped off at a tree standard a

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Speaker 1: blind where you're not gonna you know, get too to

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Speaker 1: heat it up. That's where that piece is really gonna shine.

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Speaker 1: And obviously that hood us as thick as the rest

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Speaker 1: of it. So you throw it on and covers your neck.

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Speaker 1: It's the breeze off your neck and it's like having

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Speaker 1: and it's got those couple of little buttons that like

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Speaker 1: I've thought those were nice. I've seen a couple of

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Speaker 1: that better than like having, you know, on a regular hoodie,

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Speaker 1: having the danglies own. Oh yeah. The first thing I

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Speaker 1: do when I get a new hoodie is I pulled

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Speaker 1: the string out. Yeah, get it out of there. Okay. Um.

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Speaker 1: Last no two episodes ago, we had Heidi Alan from

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Speaker 1: get your DWR back in action, basically just how to

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Speaker 1: We talked gear care, garment care. We also talked about

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Speaker 1: to worry about it. Guessing I've never shot waterfoul with

428
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Speaker 1: a red dot. You have to ask a shotgunner if

429
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: that's okay or not. Yeah, but yeah, if it works

430
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: for you, why not? Yeah? Yeah, So I wanna we

431
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: have another question. I want to roll through it real

432
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 1: quick because we got a ton. What calls do you

433
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: suggest getting for a beginner. I'm a new hunter and

434
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: there are so many options. That is from Megan Timmers

435
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um, I would say one for me. It

436
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: would be like crow call for locating. I used to

437
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: locate just with a regular call, and that bit me

438
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: a few times. Um, so I got a crow call,

439
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: and then I think like a slate or a box

440
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: call as far as like a hand call goes, I

441
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 1: personally like the sound of a slate over a box.

442
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: And then like after that, if you I feel like

443
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: a diaphragm calls, I usually just get a three pack m.

444
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: Like I think right now, I just have like the

445
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: meat eater Phelps three pack. It's like a good range

446
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: of sounds. And also sometimes like you know your call, Yannie,

447
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: I might have to it might just not fit me

448
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: very well as far as like how much air you

449
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: gotta blow through it or whatever. I think it's just

450
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: different for everybody, so being able to kind of pick

451
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: and choose those and then like, but I think as

452
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: far as a diaphragm call goes, if you've never used

453
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: a diaphragm call, like I don't think you have to

454
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: use one, and if you don't want to, if you

455
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: do want to, Phelps makes one's called an easy clucker

456
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: that's just like simple, clean, easy to use. To be

457
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: honest with you, I posted like a couple days ago,

458
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: I posted a reel of Leah shooting at Turkey with

459
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: her bow and I called I got in a pissing

460
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: match with that hen and got her to pull the

461
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: whole group to us. And I did that with an

462
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: amp elk reed. So there's there's options, I guess as

463
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: far as diaphragm calls go. But that's what I would do.

464
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: I would keep it simple. I would get like a

465
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: slate or a box kind of whatever and then get

466
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: a few different reads. But um, I don't know, keep

467
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: it simple. It's very easy to go overboard with turkey calls,

468
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: and as Megan mentioned, there's just so many options. I

469
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: was just this last week and I was at the

470
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federation Annual Convention, and it's insane the

471
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: amount of calls that are available to you there. I

472
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: would say this is my personal experience, and most I

473
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: use my wife as the example of this. But the

474
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: first time she ever went solo turkey hunting, I literally

475
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: just sent her out with a cheap fifteen twenty dollars

476
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: slate and a couple of pegs, and she got into

477
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: a couple you know, setups with gobblers and and I

478
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: don't she hadn't spent more than twenty minute. It's practicing

479
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: on this slate, so I feel out of all the friction.

480
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you do have those calls that are like

481
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: I think they're called cackle boxes or something like that,

482
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: where you literally just push a little peg and there's

483
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: some sort of thing that creates friction on the inside

484
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: and it makes a yelp. You can go that route.

485
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: That's probably the easiest, but I think a slate call

486
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: is not that much harder. Another thing I'll say too,

487
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: why pot versus box is I got to watch some

488
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: of the Grand National Championships for calling at this convention.

489
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get to stay for all of it, but

490
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: I think I was told that not a single competitor

491
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: uses a box call. They all use pot calls, whether

492
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: it's slate, crystal, because you can just get that much

493
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: more realistic with that call versus the box. One last

494
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: thing on the reads. Spend the money on good Reads,

495
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: whether it's Phelps wood Haven, there's I can't There's so

496
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: many good custom calls out there that are made here

497
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: in the United States, that are being stretched and made

498
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: by people that know how to do this, and so

499
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: the quality control is so much better than if you

500
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: go with I'm not going to mention any names, but

501
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: like the really big box store type brands, because they're

502
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: not being made here, They're being made in factories wherever,

503
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: somewhere overseas that they're just not being hand tuned, hand

504
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: stretched and just dialed in as much as an elk

505
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: hunner as an el khunning guide. I used to sometimes

506
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: buy twenty calls in August and start rotating them through

507
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: just to get four or five good ones. I would

508
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: just say, don't be afraid to spend the extra. I mean,

509
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: it's literally a dollar or two more from getting the

510
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: super quality stuff versus something that's just not as consistent,

511
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: like you'll you'll still get good calls from these bigger companies,

512
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: but not everyone is good. I feel like with the

513
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: smaller call companies you can trust them more that everyone

514
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: should be good. Yeah, got it, good good points. Um sweet,

515
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for the questions. If you have a question

516
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: you'd like to send in on anything, send it to

517
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: gear talk at the meter dot com and we'll try

518
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: to get an answered for you or our instagrams. I suppose,

519
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: um sweet, take a quick break, and then when we

520
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: come back, we're gonna talk about be honest. Is turkey

521
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: gear list all right, we are going to go through

522
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Yanni's turkey gear list. Turkey seasons coming right up, and

523
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: uh yeah, what do you have coming up for turkeys? Um? Actually,

524
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: maybe even by the time this air is I'll be

525
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: in Florida hunting it an Osciola turkey with my buddy

526
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Steve Ornella. He and I have been putting in I

527
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: think it took us four years to draw these tags.

528
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Now you can buy plenty of over the counter turkey

529
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: tags in Florida, but they have certain WMA's and I'm

530
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: not someone else is helping us out with this, so

531
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: I haven't dove in. I don't know all of the details,

532
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: but basically the gist of it is is that we

533
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: have a zone that we can hunt that we applied

534
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: for four years to get. We're gonna be able to

535
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: hunt there, and there's gonna be other hunters, but many

536
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: less much less pressure. And for me, I'm traveling from

537
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: Montana to Florida, it was totally worth it to apply,

538
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: wait and get this better opportunity than to, you know,

539
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: just go down there three years ago on the over

540
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: the counter and maybe just get frustrated and have so

541
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: much more pressure to deal with. So I'm stalked on

542
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get an osciola. I'm not a huge

543
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: slam collector type of person, but I do like the

544
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: idea of every spring, just because I like to travel

545
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: and see new places, like going to a new state

546
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: to try to hunt a turkey. Right, and even if

547
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I didn't kill in a forty nine states, if I

548
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: could say that I hunted turkeys in forty nine states

549
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: by the time I die, like, that's a pretty cool thing,

550
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's It's great about turkey hunting is

551
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: that it is available in forty nine states, which makes

552
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: it available to just about everybody. I know that it's

553
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: hard to get into turkey hunting because there is all

554
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: this stuff calling gear YadA, YadA, YadA. So there is

555
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: that barrier. But I think it's cool how there's a

556
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: very low barrier in the fact that most people, I

557
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: would say, don't even have to drive more than an

558
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: hour maybe to define a turkey. That's my only out

559
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: of state I think. Other than that, I'll be pretty

560
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: much hunting Montana. Sweet. Let's yeah, let's get in your list.

561
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: So first thing like vast backpack, like the million dollar

562
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: question for a lot of people. Yep. I used to

563
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: be a backpack only guy, and that's because I think

564
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: I was just a Western backpack type hunter always. It

565
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: was just easy because that's what I had. So I

566
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: just figured, off, I'm gonna go Jurkey, Honey, I'll just

567
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: stow my stuff in my backpack because I like a

568
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: butt pad. I like about pad that's attached to me

569
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: that's easily deployable. I have definitely started going more and

570
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: more vest. It keeps everything organized. I know where everything's at.

571
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: Most turkey hunts are a couple hour hunts, let alone

572
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: what you would call a full day hunt. These days,

573
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: I think the only reason I would really go with

574
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: the backpack and say, oh I need that is because

575
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, I am for sure hike five miles

576
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: before I even get to the turkeys. I need to

577
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: carry all this stuff. I know I'm carrying lunch, there

578
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: might be inclement weather. I need to carry extra gear

579
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: for that. I really got to be prepared, and I

580
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: want the comfort of a backpack to carry that load,

581
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: because the big downfall is when you load down a

582
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: turkey vest, you're gonna feel that weight on your shoulders

583
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: after a couple of miles. Right. But again, I've become

584
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: a vest guy because I've realized that I can even

585
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: if I'm going we have a spot that we hunt

586
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: that it is probably two miles each direction to go

587
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: get to these turkeys. It's very worth it. Every time

588
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: we walk in there somebody kills a gobbler. At least

589
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: we get a shot at a gobbler. And even that hunt,

590
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: I can pack enough water, you know, a couple leaders

591
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: and pack a decoy if I want in my vest.

592
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: And sure I'm a little bit overloaded. But again, when

593
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: the hunt starts and I'm running and going and I

594
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: need to PLoP down real quick and start working a bird.

595
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: I sure. Do you like having that butt pad to

596
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: sit down on? And I like having all my calls organized.

597
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: I know where everything is, it's there. Um have you

598
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: used a chest rig? I have? Um? In general? Like

599
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: I obviously I love carrying my binoculars in a in

600
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: a bino harness turkey hunting. Yeah, just it wasn't for me. Um.

601
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: Some people love it for the minimalist approach. Yeah yeah,

602
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm one of those for sure, especially in an out

603
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: of vehicle. A lot our hunts so short and a

604
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: lot of times I'm guiding, so it's just kind of

605
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: a I don't have as much stuff to carry, so

606
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's been a good option for me. Um

607
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: are you a decoy guy? Uh? Yes and no. Yeah, yeah,

608
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm one of those for sure, especially in an out

609
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: of vehicle. A lot our hunts so short and a

610
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: lot of times I'm guiding, so it's just kind of

611
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: a I don't have as much stuff to carry, so

612
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's been a good option for me. Um

613
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: are you a decoy guy? Uh? Yes and no. I

614
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts on decoys. They work, not

615
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: all the time, but they work. But a lot of

616
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: times when if I'm just purely running solo, I'm probably

617
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: gonna leave all decoys behind and just say I'm either

618
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: gonna fool you with my call or I'm not gonna

619
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: get you. And that's what it's gonna come down to. Now,

620
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: if I'm back in the Midwest and I'm limited to

621
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred acre two hundred acres of of

622
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: farm that I can hunt you, I know I'm not

623
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna walk that far, So why not having with me?

624
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: You don't have to set them out, but you can't,

625
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: right um, and a lot of times, you know, on

626
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: those farms, you're hunting bigger fields, so you still have

627
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: to call them into at least the range where they

628
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: can see the decoy. And then after that, once they

629
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: see the decoy, if it's gonna work, they kind of

630
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: takes over. Right. You don't have to call at all anymore.

631
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: They've seen the decoy. It's it's made them think something

632
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and they're gonna come in either to breed it, to

633
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: fight it, to you know, show off to it, whatever

634
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: it might be. Um, or they're going to run away

635
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: like when I got yeah yeah, or one at a

636
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: one time every season they're just gonna bout face and

637
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: be like yep, seeing that one already and and take off.

638
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: So um yeah, that's that's what I have. You know

639
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: what I have them gonna try this year is I

640
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: have some collapsible bull on fold up collapsible decoys from

641
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: Montana Decoy. And they're actually three D. They're not two

642
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: D silhouette type decos with the picture. They're actually three

643
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: D and they have what seems to be like some

644
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: sort of a spring on the inside, and they sit

645
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: on a stake, you know, just like a other other decoys,

646
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: but much smaller, much easier to pass. So I'm definitely

647
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna put some of those to use. When you see them,

648
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: compared to a Dave Smith's decoy, they're not It's just

649
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: not the same thing at all. But again, sometimes in

650
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: Montana we're hunting birds that have maybe never seen a decoy,

651
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: and so you know, anything might work. Yeah, I'm gonna

652
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: try those exactly. Yeah, or they see the redhead or

653
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: they see that, you know, shine glimmer of the turkey's feathers,

654
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but it's enough to to tip them. Sweet.

655
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: What about clothing wise? What do you what do you

656
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: think in like Florida is going to be like Hodder

657
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: in Hell? Oh my gosh, Yeah I thought that since

658
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: we're going first to March, I was expecting seventies. Max. Well, no,

659
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: like it's still too far out to actually see the

660
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: day that we can get there. But right now that

661
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: three days approaching, our hunting dates are nineties, and I'm

662
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: sure it's gonna be humid. So yeah, I'm gonna go

663
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: from negative ten and snowy here to ninety. There'll be

664
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: one hundred degrees swing and it'll be a shock to

665
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: say the least. So first, I has new hot weather

666
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: gear coming out. It's still a little ways out, so

667
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be using that. Now that being said, I

668
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: still am going to bring another set of clothes for

669
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: in case it gets cold, because the last time I

670
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: hunted down there, I wasn't hunting, but I was helping

671
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Steve film the show. We got down there, didn't bring

672
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: any clothes because we thought it was Florida. Who needs

673
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: clothes for hunting turkeys? Down there? It was so cold

674
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: we were using socks for gloves and put in wrapping

675
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: socks around our necks forget net Gators like humid cold, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,

676
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: humidity is no good if it's cold or hot. Um.

677
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna bringing down snake boots for the Florida

678
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: trip in. They're gonna be hot, but it's you know,

679
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: extra percrush, and I know a lot of people who

680
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: don't run with it, but I figure, why not. I

681
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: can deal with some hot feet for a couple of days.

682
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: You know. Again, clothing for Western hunting, it's gonna be

683
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: very similar to Western big game. It's gonna be layers,

684
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: you know. I like my wick base layer. Then I

685
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: wear the klamath fleece, and then I have a saw

686
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: tooth vest and that's enough just to keep my core

687
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: warm enough. I might have a beanie in there to

688
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: throw on if I need to add a little extra warmth.

689
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: That's enough to get me through that first hour. And

690
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: what I like about the vest, I'm not a huge

691
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: best guy, but in this particular scenario, I really like

692
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: it because when I take it off, it's small enough

693
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: that I can roll it up, stick it in my

694
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: turkey vest in the back pouch there, and I don't

695
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: feel like I'm lugging around a big puffy jacket or

696
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: something that just takes up a lot more room. Very

697
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: for me. I have a special pocket. It's actually a

698
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: water bottle pocket that I usually use for my face

699
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: mask and my lightweight pair of gloves. I just have

700
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: a special pocket where that stuff always goes into. As

701
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: soon as it hunts over i'm taking it off, I'm

702
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: putting it in there, you know. And that's the way

703
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: it's It's just always there. It's always in my vest,

704
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: and it's so so important because gosh, if I ever

705
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: get caught with no face mask, I just feel like

706
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: it one hundred yards they're gonna look over there on

707
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: the tree line and go, I see you glimmering sign um.

708
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I think, like for mountain hunting, Like you're just wearing

709
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: the same boots, just like clothing. Like you're wearing the

710
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 1: same boots that you're wearing for like elk and deer

711
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: hunting and things. Are you a rubber boots guy? Uh?

712
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: Depends on the train. Obviously out West is a lot

713
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: more drier terrain, So it doesn't seem like I ever

714
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: really need rubber boots here unless i know for a

715
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: fact I've got some ditch or creek to cross, or

716
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: maybe I'm going to access the spot by walking up.

717
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: Like we've got a little spot that we hunt where

718
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: we'll kind of park and then actually walk right along

719
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: the bank of a river and sometimes even in the

720
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: river to stay hidden and stay below the bank until

721
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: we can get up to where we want to set up,

722
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: because we end up being real close to the roost

723
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: in this spot. So something like that. But usually I'm

724
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: wearing rubbers when I'm hunting the Midwest, where it's a

725
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, frosty, dewey morning, And again I'm not walking

726
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: far because I'm only I'm limited to whatever it might be,

727
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, hundred acres, a couple hundred acres just not

728
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: going to get that many miles in and not that

729
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: you can't do it these days in rubber boots that

730
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: they've gotten so much better. But you know, they get

731
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: sweaty compared to a pair of leather boots. But again,

732
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: I'd rather keep I'd rather be a little bit sweaty

733
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: and keep those feet dry then get them to get

734
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: them just super soaked from the morning dew and the frost.

735
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do. I do like rubbers in that uh,

736
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: in that sense. They're so light now like those new

737
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: uh what are they called arrow sport? I think ero form,

738
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: I think arrowhead sport. That's it. Um, they're so light.

739
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: Um it's like walking around in a pair of crocs,

740
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, except you've got knee high boots on. Yea, yeah,

741
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: that's my boot set up. Sweet. One reason I like

742
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: those late or those uh like rubber boots. It's a

743
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: lot of times I've got a set of those arrowhead

744
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: sports coming that are like the I think on they

745
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: say that they're for cold, they're insulated, they're supposed to

746
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: be like for negative fifty to forty degrees or something

747
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: like that. Um, insulation wise is what they're supposed to

748
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: be good for. And like where we're at short distance

749
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: walking in and then you're sitting in the morning, like,

750
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: it just seems like those rubber boots keep your feet warmer,

751
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: especially if they're insulated over like longer than insulated even

752
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: leather boots or something. So that's my big because those

753
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: those big lacrosses are like sixteen hundred grams or something

754
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, and as long as you can, as

755
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: long as you can keep your feet from sweating too

756
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: much on the way in, uh, it's not an issue

757
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: at all. And if they do sweat up, all you

758
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: gotta do, and I do this often for tree stand

759
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: hunting white tails, is I'll just bring an extra pair

760
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: of socks. Like I'll go in wearing a thin pair

761
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: of socks. I know they're gonna get a little bit

762
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: sweaty damp in there. When I get to the tree stand,

763
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: I just swap out my socks real quick and put

764
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: on some nice thick wool socks and I'm snug as

765
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: a bug up there. Love it. Hey. Yeah, Um, another

766
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: question we got a ton on I put a little

767
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: questionnaire out on the Instagram to gather questions, and one

768
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: we got a lot of that I thought we'd just

769
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: cover now is like what shells are using for turkeys

770
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: because you can really go crazy and spend a lot

771
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: of money on turkeys else. Yep, one hundred percent. And

772
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: here's my take on it. When TSS first came out,

773
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine was actually starting to handload him

774
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: and he was starting to do number nine in twenty

775
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: gage and we were like, what, that's crazy. But the

776
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: more I learned about it, and when I learned that

777
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: like a nine has more energy at one hundred yards

778
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: than like a four lead at fifty or something like that,

779
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: those numbers are off a little bit. It's approximate, but

780
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: there's they're so dense, so heavy, so much energy, you

781
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: get amazing penetration. It was like, okay, I'm gonna go

782
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: that route too. Well. He was like, sure, I'll load

783
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: you up some and then and then I didn't have

784
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: that hookup anymore and had to go buy some and

785
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I was like, holy moy, fifty dollars you know for

786
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: a box. And now, I mean, I think I think

787
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: that you can there's some federal TSS out there that

788
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: if you go you know, three and a half inches

789
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: for a twelve gage. You can be up to like

790
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: seventy five for a box for five of them, which

791
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: is a lot for five shots, which for hunting is

792
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal because usually you're gonna

793
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: shoot once, maybe twice. But it's the patterning that like

794
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: really starts to burn, you know. But I'll be very

795
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll be very clear here, transparent. I bought many boxes

796
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: of TSS before we started working with Federal. I started

797
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: getting the stuff for free. If I had to go

798
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: back to paying for it, I probably still will. But

799
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: I want to put it out there that if it's

800
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: the difference for you of going hunting or not, if

801
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: you can't afford it, go hunting with some cheap or stuff,

802
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: by all means absolutely, I am gonna Yeah, I'll probably

803
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: shoot nine or seven nine blend. I'm shooting a new

804
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: gun this year, Bretta a three hundred. I'm going twenty gage.

805
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: My same mentor that was shooting those number nine you know,

806
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, loading them up by hand. He's been

807
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: shooting a I believe he shoots an M two Banelli

808
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: with twenty gauge, and it's just with these new loads.

809
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: It's all the gun you need to kill all the

810
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: turkey out to the same distances that you can do

811
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: it with a twelve gauge. And what's nice about turkey

812
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: hunting and carrying these twenty gauges is that, like I said,

813
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: you're only shooting once normally maybe twice a day, right,

814
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: most of the time you're just carrying that gun around. Um,

815
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: So why not carry out something that's way easier to carry.

816
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm looking forward to when when somebody makes a

817
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: twenty eight gauge turkey gun and we start in twenty

818
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: eight gauge turkey shells are available. Obviously, the four ten

819
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: is a big thing. I personally haven't done it yet.

820
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: My kids hopefully this year are going to get into

821
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: it and shoot turkeys with with the four ten. But anyways, yeah,

822
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm going twenty I'm gonna mount the Venom red dot

823
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: on it. I'm gonna have a especially made four TSS

824
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: Carlson's turkey choke in there. I think it's gonna be

825
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: a pretty sweet little setup. Sweet one thing I wanted

826
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: to ask you about his blinds. It's one thing you

827
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: don't have in here, and a lot of people associate

828
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: turkey hunting with Papa blind h. I own one Robert Abernathy.

829
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: I think it's called the Doghouse by a Marastep. I

830
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: bought it years ago. I thought, Man, that's gonna be.

831
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: This is gonna be the ticket for my kids to

832
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: help them see the turkey show. But again, Montana, we're

833
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: just covering so much ground. Sometimes you don't know exactly

834
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: where they're gonna be. It's not like, oh, yeah, they're

835
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: in this field six out of seven days of the week. Right,

836
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: It's not that regular. And so I realized here at

837
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: least it's hard to get into one because they're just

838
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: getting bored and I'm not bringing the tablet or the

839
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: or letting them just sit there on the phone while

840
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: while we're waiting out the turkeys. So UM, I personally

841
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: have not spent much time in the blind. I think

842
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: if I was more into shooting turkeys with the boat,

843
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: I probably I probably would be, because you know, you

844
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: just need that more perfect setup, right, haven't come into

845
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: decoys staying there long enough and then the blind gives

846
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: you the cover to draw and get it get a

847
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: good shot off. So yeah, I haven't used them much.

848
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: Nothing against um if you like using them. But for me,

849
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: every time I step into a blind, it happens every

850
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: now and then deer hunting, it's like I just feel

851
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: like I'm missing out, Like it just seems like it

852
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: removes me from nature so much. And again, look if

853
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: it's like like I use it this year for deer

854
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: hunting with my daughter because it was hovering around zero,

855
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: We're hunting ridgetops in Wisconsin and the wind's blowing and

856
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: sitting out in the elements was just going to cut

857
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: our hunts way way shorter with a full wee. Don't

858
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: I forget. My dad just brought me the blind. I

859
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: can't tell you who made it, but the blind with

860
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 1: a little mister buddy heater in there. And it took

861
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: my daughter exactly five minutes to be back asleep once

862
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: we would get into the blind, which is fine, she's

863
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: out there, she's doing it with me. If if she

864
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: gets woken up with the sound of a gunshot, it's

865
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: the way it is. Um, But it got us out

866
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: there and it was able. We were able to stay

867
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: out there in the in that situation, in those weather conditions.

868
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: So um there, it's it's totally great. But if it's

869
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: the way if the weather is not nice and all

870
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: I have to do is conceal myself. I figured I

871
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: can do just as good of a job just sitting

872
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: still or getting up in a tree, even building just

873
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: a brush blind because I just I miss it. Just

874
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: seems like you're gonna miss birds flying by, or the

875
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: sound of birds, or you know, you just don't see

876
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: three sixty degrees out of those blinds, and maybe something

877
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: you know walks behind me at fifty sixty yards and

878
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: you don't hear it because the windows are shut or

879
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So in the right situation, if

880
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna mean me staying out or not, I'm using one.

881
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: But I air on not sitting in a blind. Yeah, yeah, valid, man.

882
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: We use them a lot for like, especially with the

883
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: outfit and just the way that we run things. Even

884
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: with deer hunts, we use a lot of blinds. We've

885
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: gotten a lot of questions on blinds, and so I

886
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: think that I'll be doing some like I'll just keep

887
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: trying some more and be able to like kind of

888
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: update people on that. In short over the last man

889
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: seven years at least, I'm approaching maybe ten now. Just

890
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: seems like the double bulls. They're they're the ones that

891
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: stick around the longest. Um With like weather, we get

892
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: hillacious wins that just like break poles and do all

893
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: kinds of crazy shit with blinds, it just seems like

894
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: the double bulls are the ones that, um, I have

895
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: that I've had the longest. So I just wanted to

896
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: toss that out there. Um I didn't want to completely

897
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: leave people hanging with their questions that they put in,

898
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a that's worth them to

899
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: spend like a little bit of the extra money to

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: go with something like that over you know, something that

901
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: could be one hundred dollars one hundred and fifty dollars cheaper.

902
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: But I am still going to keep like getting different

903
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: blinds and try to test them out and keep everybody

904
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: updated as much as I can. But uh, yeah, good list,

905
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: thank you. I had to write it while I was

906
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 1: packing for Florida, so hopefully that helped me make sure

907
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: I have everything and don't forget something behind. Something that's

908
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: a good turkey vest item too. I'd like to mention

909
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: is how I carry water. I use a thing called

910
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: a platypus bottle, and it's basically like a collapsible plastic bottle.

911
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: But what's nice about it is it's not it's not hard,

912
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: so especially since it's against your back and a lot

913
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: of times you're sitting down in the leaning against a tree,

914
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 1: you're not that Analogene or even like a plastic water

915
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: bottle of any kind can sort of be uncomfortable and

916
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: cause just a pressure point where this platypus is sort

917
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: of flatter and just kind of more flexible and tough.

918
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had one for probably coming on two

919
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: decades that I wear like, I have it in my

920
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: ski jacket, like I just ride around with half a

921
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: lead a bottle and you need some water to drink,

922
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: and so they last. And I've never busted one by

923
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: leaning against it or anything. So it's it fits into

924
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: a turkey vest very nicely. You don't have to worry

925
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: about sitting against a tree and then having some hard

926
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: water bottle pushing into your back as you're trying to

927
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: work a bird. Hmm. Yeah, good points. As we wrap

928
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Speaker 1: up here, I want to plug you just had a

929
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: Mountain Lion episode come out. Yeah, that's right, go check

930
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: it out on Meeter's YouTube channel. Jake Gribb who's been

931
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: my main hunting mentor and Mingus's main hunt hound hunting

932
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: mentor over the last three years. We go hunting northwest Montana,

933
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: looking mostly for lions. We luck out and find the

934
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: track of a giant bobcat. Check out that episode and

935
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: see how it all unfolds on YouTube, and then I think,

936
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: right on the heels, it's probably gonna be out by

937
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: this time this episode airs is there's a Texas hog

938
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: episode where I go archery hunting with Troy Fowler, who

939
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: some of you know as the ranch Ferry, And so

940
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: we kill some pigs and we netcrop seat some pigs

941
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: to see what our arrows and broadheads did going through

942
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: these pigs. Very interesting stuff. Definitely tune in to check

943
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: that one out. Yeah, excited to watch it. Um all right, sweet, Well,

944
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: if you have any more questions, you can send them

945
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: into gear talk at the meat eater dot com. You

946
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: can get hold of us on our instagrams. Mine's Jordan

947
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: dot Bud. Your's is is it? Underscore patel Us. That's

948
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: really honest, Underscore patel Us. Yeah, and then uh yeah.

949
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: And then as these episodes roll, you can go to

950
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com and find the gear Talk

951
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: under the podcast show tab and click on the specific

952
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: episode you want to comment on. You scroll down to

953
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: the bottom and comment on it. And we've been getting

954
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: back to people and uh yeah, getting your questions answered

955
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: and getting them written down to do future Q and

956
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Speaker 1: A episodes. So with that, what I realized the other

957
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Speaker 1: day eight. What I realized the other day too, is

958
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Speaker 1: that when you go to the page, like like Jordan said,

959
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: you go to the main meter website page, you go

960
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: hit podcasts, you find gear Talk, and then right at

961
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: the top it says gear Talk and then it says

962
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: like the latest one is episode nine DWR and gear Cleaning,

963
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: and then underneath that you can click right there and

964
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: it'll bring you down into the comment section. And I

965
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: found that's the easiest way to get right to the

966
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: comments and participate. So yeah, we appreciate everybody that does comment,

967
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: that sends any emails or d ms us. I apologize

968
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: if I don't get back to your DM as fast

969
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: as you like. There's a lot of them. Sweet Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks Joannie, good luck down in Florida, and yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: See everybody on the next episode that's right, get out

972
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Speaker 1: there and go hunting. See yeah,