1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known facts 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: behind your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more. We 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: are two guys with too much free time on our hands. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: My name is Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan run Tog 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: and on this episode, we're diving into Blues Clues, the 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: beloved children's TV show of the late nineties and early 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: two thousand's, which recently turned twenty five years old. Passage 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: of time, yes, and this grim passage was highlighted recently 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 1: when Steve, the host of the show Our Dear Old 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: Friend and the Green Polo, checked in with us with 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: a very sweet viral video and frankly, it reminded me 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: how much I missed him. What did you think of that? 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: Did you grow up with him at all? My sister did? 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like, my sister's four years younger than me, 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: and we were of the age where, like you know, 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: we're watching Nickelodeon together. So, but she was a Blues 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Clues fan. I don't remember too much of it other 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: than and you made me, You're gonna make me do this? Is? 21 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: That was pretty good. Wow, there's some there's some money 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: in the Man of Many Talent title. Thank you, thank 23 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: you so much God this I'm just remembering this viral video. Man, 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Why what it is? Is it too 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: too real? Forest? I wanted to tell you that I 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: really couldn't have done all that without your help. And 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: in fact, all the help that you help me with 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: when we were younger is still helping me today right now. 29 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Your voice just cray. I never forgot you ever, and 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm super glad we're still friends. That's so rough, Like, 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: come on, Steve, why is it rough? Just because you 32 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: get so little, uh, your sacred cows when you're a kid, 33 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: don't always come back in the best way. And to 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: just have him like parachute into your life and just yeah, 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: that was really the other thing is just like during 36 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: this period when everything else in my life was making 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: me cry constantly, just to have him come in and 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: give every we want to personalized message of encouragement, Like 39 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: come on, what was it even paid to you? I 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: think it was the anniversary. Did you appreciate it or not? 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: I can't, I honestly can't read you right now. I 42 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: did it? Was it was very affecting. I I you know, 43 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: like anything Nickelodeon or Disney, there's a little bit of like, well, 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: our benevolent corporate overruns are reaching into our chest to 45 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: pluck our heart strings so they can sell more ad 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: space or whatever. But yeah, heart strings and purse strings 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: tend to go and to be wound together. But but 48 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: still we're getting ahead of ourselves. We're getting ahead of 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: I thought it was very sweet. I did enjoy it 50 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: as well. Well, yes, we're gonna get into that. We're 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: gonna get into at the other end of the spectrum, 52 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: the Steve Death rumors, that time he crashed a kid's 53 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: birthday party with a swimsuit model. I love that story. 54 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: Why Malcolm Gladwell shouted out the show as an example 55 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: of television excellence and so much more. Here's everything you 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: didn't know about Blues Clues. I like that this show 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: had the purest of intentions. H it really did. I 58 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: mean it's tough to remember now, but Blues Clues was 59 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: a fairly radical departure from most children's TV shows when 60 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: it premiered in We touched on this a little in 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: the Rugrats episode. But the time, most shows were fairly 62 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: violent and basically designed as a vehicle to sell toys, 63 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: and this didn't sit well with three young producers, Angela Santamaro, 64 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: Todd Kellsler, and Tracy Page Johnson. Santamerow had a master's 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: degree in child development psych from Colombia, and this really 66 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: sets the tone for the really serious level of prep 67 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: work they put into each of these episodes. They enlisted 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: a team of educators and consultants the craft a format 69 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: that they thought would be engaging for kids rather than 70 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: more passive shows like Sesame Street, which was seen as 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: kind of the show's foil, And they adopted a narrative 72 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: format instead of the more traditional magazine format. Again, think 73 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of like Sesame Street, where it's all kind of a 74 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: little very quick bursts of cartoons or skits or whatever. 75 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: And this was meant to be an interactive narrative with 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: the host talking directly to the camera, imposing questions, and 77 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: then they'd reinforced topics through repetition. And I guess it 78 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: was also the first cutout animation series for preschoolers in 79 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: the US. Would have been that like South Park around 80 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the exactly, it's yeah, she's really interesting. The fact that 81 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: she was influenced by this guy, Daniel R. Anderson, was 82 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: a sense that Santamaro, Yeah, yeah, Santamaro. I guess he 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: has a PhD. Should be doctor Daniel R. Anderson, but 84 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: developmental site guy and directly involved with half of children's 85 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: television like Alligala Island were in The Big Blue House. 86 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Dory Explorer was an advisor on Captain Kangaroo. Oh my God, 87 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: way are the o g the Wabulous World of Dr Seuss, 88 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Sesame Street, Go, Diego Go. Like he's been on the 89 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: board of Sesame Streets. I can't keep a job. Hey, wow, 90 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: that is incredible quite the CV. Anyway, they what do 91 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: they give them? Something like a hundred and fifty grand 92 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: for the pilot what it was saying yeah, And consequently 93 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: the original production team wound up being the voice actors. 94 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: Nick Balaban, who had been doing uh, I think he's 95 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: still in Brooklyn, but he'd been doing sound design for 96 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: like the Nick Jr. Bumpers. He wound up playing the 97 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: role of Mr. Salt, while his co composer Michael Rubin 98 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: did the voice of the Sun and I guess they 99 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: did a table read to figure out who would voice 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: Blue just like went around the table pointing a different 101 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: mark and h Tracy Page Johnson wound up on top 102 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: with that thing you heard me do so well at 103 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: the top of the episode give us one more Wow. 104 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: That is very very impressed with that. Mr Salt known 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: for his French accent, but originally had a Brooklyn accent um, 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: which is just bizarre telling kids to go to hell. 107 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: You know the default for somebody New York accents is 108 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: just like I'm walking. Yeah, but like you know, like 109 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: imagine like a gruff voice like firefighter berating children about 110 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: not getting clues in the form of a Salt. Yea 111 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: even stranger. Blue wasn't a dog and he wasn't even blue. 112 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: She wasn't blue. Sorry, I didn't mean a miss gender blue. 113 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: They wanted to do a cat, an orange cat named 114 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: Mr Orange. Name name these work? Yeah, this is our 115 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: rather bit of just imagining these executives like chopping on 116 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: a cigar like feed up at their desk, like, ah, 117 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: lose the orange cat, make it um dog, make it blue, 118 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: putting the cigar out on like the poor children's psychologist's face. 119 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: So they didn't like the color. They turned the cat 120 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: blue named Mr Blue? And why did they Why did 121 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: they change animals. Well, so there's like a reference drop 122 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: somewhere in here that Nickelodeon had a different animated series 123 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: in the works that featured a cat. So the network 124 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: was like, it's got to be a different it's gotta 125 00:06:55,279 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: be a different lose this cat. Uh so, yeah, but 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: we don't know what it was, right, It might have 127 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: been dogs ket Dog. No cat dog was Cartoon Network. 128 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: No cat dog was was Nickelodeon, but it was later Yeah, okay, 129 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: so maybe so maybe tweet at us using the using 130 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: the hashtag cigar chomping Nickelodeon n exact and tell us 131 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: what series it was. But they had the working title Blueprints, 132 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: which is cute like that, and they landed on blues 133 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Clues because apparently the kids they were testing testing it on, 134 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: the kids who were the test audiences. That's just what 135 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: they started calling it, which is you know, kids meant yeah, 136 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: kids came up. That's a good title though, Nice job kids. 137 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: The producers originally wanted a female host interacting with the kids, 138 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: but they decided to see both men and women during 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: the casting call and over a thousand people auditioned for 140 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: this role of the host of the show, and the 141 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: producers ultimately settled on Steve Burns, who was a twenty 142 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: two year old kid from rural Pennsylvania whose only previous 143 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: credits included an episode of Law and Order and a 144 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: Dunkin Donuts commercial. He said about the Law and Order thing, 145 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: he was like, I was autistic and I got killed. Yep. 146 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, We'll get into that later because it plays 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: a major role in the Steve death rumors. Okay, okay, 148 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: my my cousin went to college with Steve. They I 149 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: think they did drama together and and that was like 150 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: a huge ragging rights thing for me, like elementary school, 151 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: that I had this distinct connection to Steve. So I 152 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: always have a special spot in my heart for Steve 153 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: for more than the usual reasons. So yeah, he very 154 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: very short CV, but despite his lack of experience, Nickelodeon 155 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: gave him the gig because he tested strongest with the audiences, 156 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the little kids loved him. And this all 157 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: came as a surprise to Steve, who was basically a 158 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: rock and roller at heart. And there's this great Spin 159 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: profile from two thousand four where he talks about his 160 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: early days and rural p A playing guitar and writing 161 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: songs and jamming on David Bowie and a friend's cow 162 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: pasture is a quote that I love. And you're from 163 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: You're from where he from? Uh, Burks County County. Yeah, yeah, 164 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: it's that's not not close to me. Did you ever 165 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: jam the David Bowie and a cup pastor? Or you 166 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: were more? You would you would jam on Danzig in 167 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: a cup past We did, Yeah, we did. Like d 168 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: I y punk rock shows atmostis you just like drag 169 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: a several extension cords from the house out into the 170 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: middle of a field, cool mini wood stock? Yeah, yes, 171 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: Jordan's that was the vibe. So, I mean that was 172 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: more where this guy was coming from. And he was 173 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: a one to be rock and roller guy, and he 174 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: moved to New York. He gave a storytelling performance at 175 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: The Moth in two thousand and ten, and he admitted 176 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: that he came to New York to become Serpico, which 177 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if he means to become Alpaccino or 178 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: to become a cop I would assume al Pacino. So well, 179 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: you missed you glossed over what his band was called 180 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: his Buddies band that he joined. What was it? Called 181 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Nine Pound Truck. That's a very Pennsylvania band name. That's 182 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: extremely yeah. So I mean again, he's a gigging actor. 183 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: This Blues Clues audition is probably just one of like 184 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: a dozen things that you know, he tried out for 185 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: in all acting hopeful to try out for in a 186 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: given week. So he knew very little about this show 187 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: and he mistakenly thought that it was a voiceover gig, 188 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: and because of that, he didn't attempt to cultivate any 189 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: kind of a child friendly appearance whatsoever. And he showed 190 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: up to the audition in full nineties grunge mode. He 191 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: had long hair, earrings and like Stubble and the Gloning 192 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: executives were not fond of this at all, and I 193 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: guess the show's creator, Tracy Page Johnson, told him, Hey, 194 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: can you not look like you when you come back 195 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: next time? But he did and in the end he 196 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: ended up getting the gig. The voice of Blue told him, 197 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: please don't look like you when you come And while 198 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: we're on the topic of Steve style, Steve the real 199 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: life guy hated Steve the character's outfits a great deal. 200 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: He gave an interview with Entertainment Weekly and he said 201 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: that his signature green polos were quote carefully handmade to 202 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: be as uncomfortable as possible. And I love those kids, 203 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: loved the outfit and like most kids, they wanted to 204 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: be just like heroes and where green striped polos as well. 205 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: But the snag was these kids refused to remove their 206 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: shirts because on the show, Steve always wore the same shirt, 207 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: so they wanted to always wear the same shirt. So 208 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: parents work in front of with the problem of getting 209 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: kids to take off these filthy green polos and washed them. 210 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: So Steve Burns inadvertently gave rise to a generation of 211 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: smelly Ralph Lauren wearing toddlers. I wonder how long it 212 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: took Nickelodeon to to turn around and market Steve Steve shirts. 213 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: Steve shirts, Oh, that's got to be baked in. He's 214 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: He's talked a lot about how not fun this was 215 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: to shoot for him, because it's just like him alone 216 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: in the studio, working like ten hour days. It sounds 217 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: like me. So yeah, this was like a real problem 218 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: get kids to change out of these shirts. So for 219 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: Steve's replacement, Joe ak A Donovan Patton, who will get 220 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: two more of him in the moment, they decided to 221 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: give him a much more varied wardrobe so they wouldn't 222 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: have this problem. But Steve apparently kept two of his 223 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: Steve shirts for years because he's a good guy and 224 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: he wanted to use them for like make a wish 225 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: events and stuff like that and uh. And he has 226 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: indeed made a lot of very special memories for children 227 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: through personal appearances and stuff as the character of Steve. 228 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: But my all time favorite incident in the time that 229 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: he crashed the Toddler's Blues Clues themed birthday party wall 230 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: on a date with a swimsuit model. This is so great, 231 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: So cast your mind back to the year two thousand 232 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: for a moment. Please follow me that the Wayne's World 233 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: thing you know is on the charts eyes to a 234 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: new millennium. Yes, and Steve Burns is on the list 235 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: of People Magazine's most eligible bachelors and as a result, 236 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: he's getting a lot of requests for dates. And he 237 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: said he received a lot of letters from and even 238 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: nude photos actually from who he described as quote forward 239 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: thinking soccer moms who were his most ardent fans. But 240 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: one day he gets a request for a date from 241 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: the swimsuit model who I guess send some an eight 242 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: by ten glossy and his phone number and encourages him 243 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: the call. So Steve does, and they arranged dinner, and 244 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: he drives out to New Jersey to pick her up 245 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: at her house. And she's beautiful, and he's very eager 246 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to make a very good impression. And as though, driving 247 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: through her neighborhood in the suburbs of New Jersey like 248 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: some weird child friendly through Springsteen song on the Last 249 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: Chance Power Drive exactly, he spots at her neighbor's house 250 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: a birthday sign for a Blues Clues themed birthday party. 251 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: So here's Steve pass on a Blues Clues themed birthday 252 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: party for a bunch of toddlers. He's got the green 253 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: shirt and some toys in the back of the car. 254 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: He goes for it. I mean, can you imagine it 255 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: must have been like if Elvis showed up made all 256 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: of those kids lives. And he told the story during 257 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: his appearance at the Brooklyn Storytelling Slam the Moth In 258 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: and it's on YouTube and it's really fantastic. He definitely 259 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: listened to it, and according to him, the date didn't 260 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: end well because it was all an elaborate attempt on 261 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: the part of the Swim's model to pitch him on 262 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: a kid show about giant balloon animals called the Ballooneys, 263 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: which is rough. You can't be sure who your friends 264 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: are when your children's basic cable TV show star. That's rough. 265 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: That's a tough lesson. I'm sorry he had to learn that. 266 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: I got a giant balloon animal for you. How did 267 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: you come here? Sweetheart? Uh? I cut that. We're going 268 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: to take a quick break, but we'll be right back 269 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: with more. Too much information and just a moment. This 270 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: Ballooney show likely wouldn't have caught on even if it 271 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: did get made, because it lacked the same fastidious preparation 272 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: that they used for Blues Clues. Tell us more about 273 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: how they would go about putting episodes the higher education degree. 274 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean a lot of people have read 275 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: Tipping Point, the Malcolm Gladwell's from two thousand about how 276 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: ends tend to take root and stick and ideas spread, 277 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: and he uses this term sticky to describe Blues Clues 278 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: as the stickiest TV show ever, meaning the most irresistible 279 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: and involving. And this has to do with what we 280 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: talked about with the sort of child psychology aspect of 281 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: the production, and Blues Clues was unique at the time, 282 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: and that had its own dedicated research department, which it 283 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: does seem sort of strange to have a you know, 284 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote R and D approach to making a child's 285 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: television show. But they would write the script, the R 286 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: and D team would test it on a classroom full 287 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: of preschoolers, take notes on how the kids responded, and 288 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: each of these episodes went through this three times and 289 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: they would kind of refine and things went on depending 290 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: on what the kids, how the kids reacted. And this 291 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: is stunning to me. Each episode took nine to ten 292 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: months to produce. That is baffling. But you know, we're 293 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: gonna keep reaching to Sesame Street because Blues Clues tested 294 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: its episodes three times, a show like Sesame Street tested 295 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: one in three of its episodes. Wow. And you know, 296 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: while we while we're on the topic Sesame Street, you know, 297 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: they're obviously the big dog and children's televised entertainment, and 298 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: they took note of the success of Blues Clues when 299 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: it premiered to night Stealing Our Lunch. Yeah, the same 300 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: exact works. It also sme Sesame Street, find this Blue? 301 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: I want him dead? Uh? When when the show premiered, 302 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: Sesame Street was this big competition which had been on 303 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: the air for nearly three decades at this point and 304 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: reversal of fortunes, Blues Clues Uh started beating them in 305 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: the ratings, and PBS took note and retooled Sesame Street 306 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: to have that interactive kind of back and forth aspect 307 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: to it instead of being kind of more didactic. And 308 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: you know magazine ee like you said, we also I 309 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: guess at this stage, Blues Clues probably had better guests. 310 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: Did you know that Ray Charles appeared in Blues Clues 311 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: VHS special Blues Clues Big Musical Movie. It was his 312 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: final film role prior to was death four years later 313 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand four. What a way to go out, Ray, 314 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: I know, I want to know. I would love to 315 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: find out how that came about. You wanna know who 316 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: he played? I sure do. He played the character of 317 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: g Cleft, which, according to the Blues Clues fandom, wicki 318 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: is a quote singing dancing musical symbol used to indicate 319 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: the pitch of written notes with a funky attitude. He 320 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: lives inside of a sheet music book owned by Steve. 321 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: You know what is so bizarre about this? Which which 322 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: part well this movie. The only other guest stars in 323 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: this are members of the Brooklyn acapella group The Persuasions. 324 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: That's it on the guest blue cameo money digit, It's 325 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: Ray Charles, and then it's the Persuasions. Get me to Persuasions. Wow, 326 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: even I'm trying to come up with a well like 327 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Ray Charles career. Sure, sure, that's that's gonna be By 328 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: transition for this, Blues Clues had an incredibly long run. 329 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: In fact, it was the longest running Nick Jr. Series 330 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: for many many years. Premiered in the US on September 331 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: and the premier I Guess was the highest rated premiere 332 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: of any Nickelodeon program, and by two thousand two, Blues 333 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Clues was attracting thirteen point seven million viewers a week, 334 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: which for context is basically what like The Big Bang 335 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: Theory was getting in its final season. What was Steve 336 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: was making because weren't they all making like a mill 337 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: five per episode at that point on Big Bang? Yeah? 338 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: Something ungodly It was like them friends and Fraser who 339 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: were like making the most money per episode by like 340 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: their show's final season was something crazy like that, like 341 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: three and a half Men too. I feel like, yeah, 342 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: I wonder what Steve was making. Yeah, I don't know. 343 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get into more of this later. He 344 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 1: bought an old wood shop garage in Williamsburg in like 345 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: oh seven and renovated it and flipped it. So I 346 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: guess he's doing okay. But um, yes, so it's incredibly successful. 347 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: The longest running Nick Junior series into it was surpassed 348 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: by Dora the Explorer in two thousand eleven. Steve, as 349 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: we mentioned at the top of the episode, he had 350 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of an uneasy relationship with the whole you know, 351 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: being a children's TV show star a thing. I mean, 352 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: he wasn't really what he saw for himself in life 353 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: and in the show. In I think his final episodes, 354 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: he leaves in the year two thousand two. Um, I 355 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: think they taped him a couple of years earlier, and 356 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: the show he leaves and goes off to college. But 357 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: in real life, Steve, who was only twenty nine when 358 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: he left the show, he didn't go to college. He 359 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: did whatever the hell he wanted, which we're getting more 360 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: into in a moment. But the reason that he would 361 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: usually give an interviews for why he left the show 362 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: was because he was rapidly balding, and he said he 363 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: refused to lose his hair on national television in front 364 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: of a generation of young children. And and this is 365 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: partially true. By the final episode, he's wearing a baseball 366 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: cap the whole time to hide his bald spot. And 367 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: after he filmed his last show, he dramatically shaved his head. 368 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm picturing like I don't know, she Jane or something. Um. 369 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: And when he was asked if this was a rebellious statement, 370 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: he replied, yes, And the statement is we have male 371 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: pattern baldness. He has some truly great SoundBite. Yeah, No, 372 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: he's he's a quote machine. He's actually now imagine because 373 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: we just did the Royal tenan bombs thing of just 374 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: like needle in the head, his head in the bathroom here. 375 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: So but of course, you know, you don't walk away 376 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: from a presumably very lucrative gig because you're balding, because 377 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: I imagine his his hefty salary would buy a lot 378 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: of baseball caps. And he admitted that the show's global 379 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: success kind of freaked him out. You know, I mean, 380 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: he'd been a gigging actor before all of this, and 381 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: he really had no intention of making a lifetime career 382 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: as a children's TV personality. And by the same token, 383 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: it kind of exacerbated his like imposter syndrome because he 384 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: would say during his Moth monologue, I began thinking, do 385 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: they have the right guy here? Maybe they need a 386 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: teacher or a child development specialist. I was very conflicted 387 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, as you say, these were like 388 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: people had masters and child's ecology from Colombia and stuff 389 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: and the research team, and he was this kid from 390 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania who just kind of fell into this role. And yeah, 391 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: so it definitely played on him. And you mentioned this earlier. 392 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: It's worth noting that this gig was actually pretty hard. 393 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: He was basically acting alone in front of a blue 394 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: screen that the animation was added to, and he said 395 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: it was quote maddening and likened it to acting at 396 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: the bottom of a swimming pool. So it could have 397 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: been very fun. Yeah, and you know, we also talked 398 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: about the new guy, Donovan Donovan Pavan Patton, and they, 399 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, always with an eye towards the children. They 400 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: crafted a three episode transitional arc, so it wouldn't be 401 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: too jarring. They didn't like Steve died on the way 402 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: back to his home planet and just pulled the animation 403 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: cell out of frame, or like you know in Cheers, 404 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: when like they're just like a coach, that guy Coach. 405 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: The actor who played Coach died in between seasons and 406 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: was summarily replaced by Woody Harrelson doing much the exact 407 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: same character, and Coaches never mentioned again. They say, oh, 408 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: he's visiting his niece messed up, or like in mash 409 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: when Henry Blake goes away and they and they make 410 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: his helicopter crash and there were no survivors. So, yes, Steve, 411 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: Steve was not killed in his exit. He went away 412 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: to college, yes, exactly, And so Donovan Patton was introduced 413 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: to Steve's brother Joe, and Tracy Page. Johnson told People 414 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: Magazine in two thousand two they made it Joe because 415 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: they were sticking with the monosyllabic thing because Donovan was 416 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: too hard for kids to say. And I have to 417 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: assume this guy was putting people on when he started 418 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: saying this, because apparently he had never seen he was 419 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: not familiar with blues clues. He had never seen it 420 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: and perhaps most hilariously thought it was a show about 421 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: blues music. I mean, I see both sides of it, 422 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: because he was what twenty three or something when he 423 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: auditioned for this, and I, you know, I'm trying to 424 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: think of like how where I was granted, children's entertainment 425 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: has become so much more diffuse nowadays as opposed to 426 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, someone like Steve being on People's Most Eligible Bachelors. 427 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: But there's still like an aspect of the monoculture to this, 428 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: like it was getting covered in the Times and People magazine. 429 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: There's no weight. I don't know. Also, like what twenty 430 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: three old in two thousand is, like I'm gonna go 431 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: audition for this show about the blues. It was a 432 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: big Stevie Ray Vaughan fan. Anyway, Steve was apparently very 433 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: cool to Donovan. You know, he trained him to take 434 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: over the host spot, and he said, try not to 435 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: think of this as children's TV, but rather acting and 436 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: telling the truth. Just such a it's a very heartwar 437 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: genuine thing. Yeah. Burns later told People mag that at 438 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: the audition they both did Christopher walkin impressions at Patton's 439 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: audition like dueling walk in these exactly. And this is 440 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: an interesting bit. Another thing that Steve apparently told Donovan 441 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: was one of the keys to the performance was not blinking. 442 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: Patton told The New York Times one that Burns told 443 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: me the producers would love it if he never blinked. 444 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: They and and that's that's yard. But then he's, yeah, 445 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: that is weird. They did research that shows kids pay 446 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: more attention the less you blink. I would like to 447 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: know what that experiment was. Yeah, yeah, that's edging into 448 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: the sinister But I believe that they did that research 449 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: all these grad school people. And then he said that 450 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: Steve also gave him a ball of don Perignon. Oh yeah, 451 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: because he could afford it. Unfortunately, he popped the cork 452 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: and hit a kid. Would you want to give a 453 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: brief history on actors not blinking? Icle? Well, okay, So 454 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: the other thing that when when when I read this 455 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: not blinking quote, immediately thought of this famous apocryphal thing 456 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: about Hannibal Lecter not blinking. Anthony Hopkins supposedly doesn't blink. 457 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: That is manifestly untrue. He blinks many times in the film. 458 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: But I found this on this site that debunked the 459 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: whole history of this. Apparently it was a Barbara Walters 460 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: interview where she's talking to Anthony Hopkins and she says, 461 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: you never blink talking about this performance, and Anthony Hopkins 462 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: goes no. He says, it's a trick I learned because 463 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: if you don't blink, you can keep the audience mesmerized, 464 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: which will get to in a minute. The screenwriter of 465 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: Silence Lambs, guy named Ted Tally, was asked about whether 466 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: or not he liked Anthony Hopkins, and he later says, 467 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if you would notice this, but he 468 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: only blinks one time in the entire movie. This is 469 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: all untrue. This is just like part of the Silence 470 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: of the Lambs like press scrum that people were just 471 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: lying about whether or not Anthony Hopkins blinks in these 472 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: movies anyway, in that movie anyway, that's Michael Caine's trick too. Yeah. 473 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: So then you were like, well, have you heard Michael 474 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: Caine talk about acting? Yes, there's an incredible video on 475 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: YouTube from like the mid eighties of Michael Caine giving 476 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 1: a how to act to a film camera class, and 477 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: it's amazing. It's like it's almost just like a how to. 478 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: It's incredibly granular about how to act for a film camera. 479 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: And his whole trick is that whenever you deliver a line, 480 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: you do not blink because it weakens because it weekends. 481 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: I never blink week me. That was a bit of 482 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins sou to any actors out there. Don't ever 483 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: really ever, man, hard to think that all those elementary 484 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: school staring contests were prepping me for a lifetime on 485 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: the stage treading the boards. Anyway, now that we've done 486 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: one of the most winding digressions in this show's history, 487 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: well you know, Steve's career had a pretty winding digression too. 488 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: In reality, Steve did not leave because he was balding 489 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: or to go off to college, like they said in 490 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: the show, but he left because he wanted to pursue 491 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: other things, like music, his early love as a kid 492 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, and this passion was reignited when he was 493 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: at a party and someone played him the Flaming Lips 494 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: album The Soft Bulletin for the first time, and he 495 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: gave an interview to Spin magazine later and he said 496 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: that this album completely rearranged my head and it ultimately 497 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: made him want to start writing music again, and before 498 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: long he eat a few dozen songs ready to and 499 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: he wanted to make a serious go of it, so 500 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: he did something that you can really only do if 501 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: you're on a hit children's basic cable show. He cold 502 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: called one of his favorite producers, a guy by the 503 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: name of David Friedman, who had already worked with The 504 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: Flaming Lips, Sparkle Horse, Mercury Rev and a number of 505 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: other cool indie groups that are so cool that I've 506 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: never heard of him. Um and amazingly, Freedman had just 507 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: had a Blues Clues themed birthday party for his kids, 508 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: so he was probably just a star struck by Steve 509 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: as Steve was over him and through Freedman, Steve connected 510 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: with several other members of the Flaming Lips, including drummers 511 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: Stephen Draws. I was gonna say, I don't know how 512 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: to pronounce that either. I was waiting to see what 513 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: you would do. We're gonna go with Draws there, and 514 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: he arranged the tracks and I think he played on 515 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: a number of them as well, uh drummed on them, 516 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: and Flaming Lips basis Michael Ivan's engineered some of the 517 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: sessions and Flaming Lips frontman Wayne Coyne himself got involved 518 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: with Steve, but unfortunately not in a musical sense. He 519 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: cast Steve in a movie he was directing called Christmas 520 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: on Mars, and he wanted Steve to be and this 521 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: is I'm quoting a crazy man with a bottle rocket 522 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: in his butt. I wonder if you've seen that jackass 523 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: segment where they launched bottle rockets out there, but you know, 524 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: you know where we'in coins from Pittsburgh, baby, really yeah, 525 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: he just saw another good Pennsylvania boy and him told 526 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: him to shove a bottle rocket and get on camera. 527 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: I guess they toned that down for the final cut. 528 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: And I have no idea what this movie. Yeah, no, 529 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm not all that familiar. But they did not get 530 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: Steve to do that with a bottle rocket, unfortunately. So 531 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: don't don't don't don't try that at home. Also, yeah, 532 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: exactly as you meditate on that, We'll be right back 533 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: with more. Too much information after these messages. But Steve 534 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: got to work with his heroes, which was super cool, 535 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: and he was signed to the highly esteemed indie label PUSS. 536 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: It's short for Playing Against Sam. I know, I don't 537 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: know how you pronounce it, but they had a lot 538 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: of big names. The singer rose for a while my 539 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: Morning Jacket, so it was, you know, kind of a 540 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: big deal that he got signed to this label. And 541 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: in two thousand three he released his debut songs for 542 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: dust Mites, which was like seriously received him. He was 543 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: saying earlier, he got these profiles and spin in an 544 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: entertainment weekly and it was reviewed by Pitchfork and they 545 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: gave it a seven point eight. That's astounding, which is 546 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: extremely high. Uh, And they complimented Steve's quote lyrical insight 547 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: and gift for writing and arranging endlessly listenable pop songs. 548 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: Oh here's a connection. What's that? The song Mighty little Man, 549 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,239 Speaker 1: the opening track, the opening track, do you know what 550 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: it is? Now? The theme song to the Young Sheldon, 551 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: the Big Bang Theory prequel, Right that I knew I'd 552 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: heard that before. Okay, that makes sense, Okay, your big 553 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: Young Sheldon fan Jordan's I'm not but it's a amazing 554 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: how I referenced the Big Bang Theory moment ago and 555 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: now this beautiful mind Baby. We're just picking stuff out 556 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: of midair, finding connections. But you know, this really leaves 557 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: us to a much broader, more important question, which is 558 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: what are dust mites? Go on, I'm glad you asked 559 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: or should expand on that vague interest. Uh here's the answer, 560 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: direct from Steve himself. Dust whites are these microscopic animals 561 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: that live in your eyebrows and pillows and all kinds 562 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: of places you don't want them to be. And they've 563 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: had a very happy, peaceful life eating our dead skin 564 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: cells for a long time. But we've now invented machines 565 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: so small micro gears that they assume they're competing with 566 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: them for food sources and attack them. I feel bad 567 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: for the little guys, the man versus nature battle played 568 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: out on a microscopic scale. That's weird. That's a weird quote. 569 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: But you know, this wouldn't be a too much information 570 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: episode about a beloved nineties children's TV property without a 571 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: bone chilling fan theory. Right, how go think it's time 572 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: to dive into the saga of Steve's death rumors. Yeah, 573 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: this is actually one of the only other things that 574 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: I remember from the show was by the mid two 575 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: thousand's people being like, oh, you know what happened to 576 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: Steve from Blues Clues, like he overdosed on heroin. That's 577 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: the big one. The other somebody with like an open 578 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: trench coat telling you that, hey kid, I want to 579 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: buy a messed up story about it, but loved figure 580 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: from your childhood. So that's the executive from the earlier 581 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: big when he falls on hard times and now he's 582 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: just selling stuff on the street. The lore the expanded 583 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: universe of this show is getting very deep. Um. The 584 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: other popular rumor was that he got hit by a car. 585 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: Another one was that he was claims for arrested for 586 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: heroin possession. And yet another one was that he became 587 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: a porn star. I've never heard that one. This apparently 588 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: started as early when he was the show was still 589 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,479 Speaker 1: on the air, So so we very clearly you know 590 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: wasn't dead, yeah, or on heroin or in porn, I guess, 591 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: but you know he as these how could be on 592 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: TV and two of those three things, well, I guess 593 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: that's true. As happens with these things, they gain critical 594 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: mass and eventually the people with the heart of them 595 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: were forced to disprove them. Not everybody does it the 596 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: same way he did, which is by going on Rosie 597 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: O'Donnell in December, but he and Angela Santamaro appeared on 598 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: Today as well to talk talk how parents should address 599 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: this with their kids, like if they're at, you know, 600 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: on the playground and someone's like Steve's on Heroin or 601 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: dead or dead, like, how do you tell your kid 602 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: about that? And so Angela later said, it's very different 603 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: from Paul McCartney, like the Paula's dead rumor. It's very 604 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: different when these are two to five year old children 605 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about, and Steve has become someone they trust, 606 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: someone they almost have a play date with and go 607 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: on adventures with, and thinking he might not be there 608 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: anymore is really upsetting to them. It's like losing a caregiver. 609 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: So how does this get started? We mentioned Steve's uh, 610 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, very short cv A Duncan Donald's commercial and 611 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: a Law and Order episode, and his appearance on Law 612 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: and Order is probably the thing that planted the seed 613 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: for this rumor. It was an episode called Cruel than 614 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: Usual and it aired on April nineteenth, and the plot 615 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: is pretty bonkers even he played a character named Kevin. 616 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: He was a young man with autism who died in 617 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: police custody after they attributed his behavior to drug use, 618 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: which is I did. I don't know, God, I hope 619 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: not um. And there's a theory that this spawned the 620 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: rumor that Steve had died, which he did, although on 621 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: a totally different TV show. And this would also explain 622 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: why the death rumors usually involve a drug overdose because 623 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: it fits into the whole law and Order plot line. 624 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: But he was alive and well and living in Williamsburg. Yes, 625 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 1: a fate far worse than death living in Brooklyn, well, 626 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: I guess. Immediately after Blues Clues he lived in Aloft 627 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: in Dumbo, and he had his famous thinking chair by 628 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: his bed, and he reportedly rebuffed numerous requests from his 629 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: dates to quote, do it in the chair? You know? 630 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: I said earlier that Steve has not been tarnished or 631 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: or like his age, well, but his horny nous is 632 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: beginning to grade on me. He said, he turned them down. 633 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: What I mean, just why does he have to talk 634 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: about this so much? Fine? Let him let him live, 635 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: let him What am I saying? What am I saying? 636 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: What am I saying? Let's Steve be horny? His Blues 637 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: Clues Bucks allowed him to purchase a former garage and 638 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: wood shop in Williamsburg in two thousand seven for a 639 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: very not unreasonable seven dred and seventy tho dollars. And 640 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: this is like square foot place in Williamsburg. Where is 641 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: It's not that it's on Power Street. I used to 642 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: walk by it all the time, and you know how 643 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: I would always know it was his? How is them? 644 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: It's very distinctive. It's painted blue, very distinctive shade of blue. 645 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: It's a cool place. He had to remodel. Is like 646 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: industrial style. It's really interesting. Google w and check it out. 647 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: And he sold it I think like a year or 648 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: two ago. So it's it's you know, all sorts of 649 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: like architectural websites and stuff. They have pictures of the 650 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: inside and um. He did quite well for himself on 651 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: a seven seventy thousand dollar house that he bought in 652 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 1: two thousand seven. He sold it last year for three million, 653 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Nice job, Steve. So 654 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: what is he doing now, ohigo, when he's not flipping 655 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: Brooklyn properties? Uh, he's still making music, you know. Yeah, 656 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: he has an album just came out in twenty seventeen. 657 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: Called four Everywhere with his old pal Stephen Draws just 658 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: and he consulted on the casting for the Blues Clues 659 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: revival Good, which is hosted by a Broadway trained singer, 660 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: actor Joshua de la Cruz. And you know, he and 661 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: Patton uh de Pats reprised their roles in the premiere 662 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: episode to welcome their cousin, josh and uh Burns is 663 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: uh and he wrote some of these, right, I think 664 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: he did. He wrote and directed a few of whom 665 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: I think. Oh, and he's working on a feature film. 666 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 1: What's this feature film? It's for the Blues Clues reboot. 667 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: They're making a feature film for this. I mean, I 668 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: should have googled this. It's a film. I don't I 669 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: don't know what a feature film is anymore, as opposed 670 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: to just like a thing that's over an hour in 671 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Yeah, I guess that's true. Untitled Blues Clues 672 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: and you film. It's in post production, so maybe we'll 673 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: get that. Good. God, I hope we do. Wellhig, I 674 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: think we just figured out Blues Clues. I don't have 675 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: anything to add to that other than don't blink. I'm 676 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan run Talk, Thanks so much 677 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: for listening. Too Much Information was a production of I 678 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and 679 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: Jordan run Talk. The supervising producer is Mike John's. The 680 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: show was researched, written and hosted by Jordan run Talk 681 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: and Alex Hegel, with original music by Seth Applebaum and 682 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: the Ghost Funk Orchestra. If you like what you heard, 683 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 1: please subscribe and leave us a review. 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