WEBVTT - "I'M A SAD CLOWN"

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hi, Who is hi?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a wit named today I gave Flee. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my name.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you? How are you doing? Flee?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing kind of crappy right now. Why I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like really in my like depression and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, flee. It says here that you used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a professional clown. Yes, you are a stereotypical sad clown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but that's that's actually not one of my clown

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<v Speaker 2>my clown characters. It's sad your clown character as a person. No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>the clown is very cheery, goofy, sneaky, sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>A sexy clown. What kind of sexy clown?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Well, I would like to do a strip tease

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<v Speaker 2>where I would roll around and broken glass.

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<v Speaker 1>You did a strip tease? You would roll around and

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<v Speaker 1>broken like actually broken glass?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I would break beer bottles before the show,

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<v Speaker 2>you round and broken beer bottles.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh did that ever hurt?

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<v Speaker 2>Surprisingly? Not No, not that often?

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<v Speaker 3>No, mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you How did you train yourself for that

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<v Speaker 1>to not hurt?

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<v Speaker 2>There's well, there's a lot of spiritual stuff with paint,

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<v Speaker 2>like peer know about piercings and how people do like

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<v Speaker 2>pain tried stuff? Well, there's people who do like suspense

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<v Speaker 2>or they'll like play pierced their Bobby, and I'll kind

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<v Speaker 2>of say, it's like that where you kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>accept it as it's happening. I've been like the bed

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<v Speaker 2>of nails stuff like sideshow better nails really lay on

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<v Speaker 2>the bed of nails, and it doesn't it doesn't hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how to explain it. This doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>So Flee. It says here that you're a former clown

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<v Speaker 1>and you got sober and then when you got sober,

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<v Speaker 1>you stopped going out and clowning around. Is that accurate? Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so I lived in New Orleans and it's very

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<v Speaker 2>a drunk city. So when I got sober, there was

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<v Speaker 2>like almost nothing to do that didn't involve like people

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<v Speaker 2>being wasted or on kiddymene. So I just stopped going out.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was like way before COVID happened, too, so

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<v Speaker 2>because then COVID happened and then I had to isolate

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<v Speaker 2>even more and I regret not clowning at home without

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<v Speaker 2>the event of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you feel those are the fact that you're

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<v Speaker 1>sober now means that you no longer can go out

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<v Speaker 1>and clown.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I moved. I moved out of New Orleans and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in an Oregon now and I go out every

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<v Speaker 2>so often trying to find this community. And I've dressed

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<v Speaker 2>up as a clown. I dressed as a clown for Halloween,

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<v Speaker 2>and I went out to a movie and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>sex club here where I dressed up as a clown

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<v Speaker 2>at h Yeah, COVID, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you depressed right now?

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't really have a lot of friends or community.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just that I've lost a lot of friends,

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<v Speaker 2>like from death and things flee.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a clown, your clowns and what I mean by

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<v Speaker 1>hold on hold on now? What I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean by that you live in Oregon. There's

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be other clowns in Oregon for you to go

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<v Speaker 1>fucking clown around with. Have have you tried to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and find people to clown around with?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I have. I grew up where I'm living now,

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<v Speaker 2>so like I have, Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And And why has that has not? That that not

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<v Speaker 1>been fruitful for you?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Not, just I can't seem to make a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of connections that last you know, it's like everybody's got

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<v Speaker 2>opposite work schedule, or like they're going through their own

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<v Speaker 2>ship or respond or they're performing at bars too much.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just still am figuring out how I feel

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<v Speaker 2>at bars as a person that doesn't want to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it hard for you to be in a bar

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<v Speaker 1>at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes? Sometimes it's not. Sometimes I tend to want to drink,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that's the biggy feeling. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>drink when now it's going to come harm.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever done any events of any kind where

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<v Speaker 1>you have invited other people into your domain where you

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<v Speaker 1>pick the venue and you sort of set the scene

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<v Speaker 1>and invite people. Have you done anything like that?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And it was successful once and we went and saw

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<v Speaker 2>Corn and it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it was successful and you saw Corn and

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<v Speaker 1>it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>So why did you do it? Why have you never

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<v Speaker 1>done it again? Why have we only done it once?

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<v Speaker 1>It should be a recurring thing that awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was like Corn's farewell tours. And but me

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<v Speaker 2>and that person don't hang out often because they're like busy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, I don't know why we don't

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<v Speaker 2>hang out more.

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<v Speaker 1>Said you know you said, you said that you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do it anymore because it's corn for because it's Corn's

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<v Speaker 1>farewell tour, But flee. There are other things to do

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<v Speaker 1>in the world besides the corn that you can do

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<v Speaker 1>with your town people.

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<v Speaker 2>That absolutely is. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just one person. It was just you and

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<v Speaker 1>this other person going to see corn.

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<v Speaker 2>It was me and on a friend of theirs that

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<v Speaker 2>I just met that day. And it's actually funny enough.

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<v Speaker 2>They was they worked down the street for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you live? You live an Oregon? Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>googling Oregon clown beat up right now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's part I live live for.

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<v Speaker 1>You are a clown and you live in Portland, Oregon

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<v Speaker 1>and you're having trouble meeting people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, I grew up here in Tuma, h.

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<v Speaker 1>There was recently. There was recently the there was a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking clown. I'm on Google right now. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>clown the festival in Portland.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to put yourself out there here. Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>is Box of Clowns dot Com? I'm on here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like googling Portland clown ship for you right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for me.

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<v Speaker 1>What is Portland Portland clown There's a Portland clown bar.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a Portland clown bar. What do you do? It's

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<v Speaker 1>why are you calling my show? Go to the Portland

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<v Speaker 1>clown bar right now? Look at this? Oh I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>an I'm so, I'm dumb. I forgot. I forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot it seems like a show maybe or if

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<v Speaker 2>there's like it's okay, I understand. It's I used to

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<v Speaker 2>be that I used to do. I mean, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I used to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Go to park.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there. I got drunk there with people. I

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<v Speaker 2>went to a birthday party, but I got really drunk

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<v Speaker 2>and did a bunch of drugs and drunk around drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So your problem is that there are Your problem

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<v Speaker 1>is that you you're a clown and you live in

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<v Speaker 1>Portland and there's a bunch of fun clown Portland ship

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but it's all at bars, and you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you're not at a point yet in your sobriety

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<v Speaker 1>where you can be at a bar and not be

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<v Speaker 1>very tempted to drink.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to clown sober.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard to clown sober. You know, it's funny

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<v Speaker 1>I have a friend who's a clown and she she's

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<v Speaker 1>sober and she I'm dead serious. I have a friend

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<v Speaker 1>who's a clown and she's sober, and she used she

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<v Speaker 1>she she h, still finds a way to clown around

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<v Speaker 1>in her sobriety.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot more to it that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to There's a lot of really traumatic stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to talk about because the people, the

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<v Speaker 2>people are listening, so you know it's gonna happen. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, how do I how do I like shake

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<v Speaker 2>off the ick? You know of things that is to

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<v Speaker 2>do because even though like I don't draw anymore, I

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<v Speaker 2>barely draw it to any creative stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on, I'm on uh okay, I'm on Facebook right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that there's a monthly clown meet up

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<v Speaker 1>in Portland? There's a monthly clown to meet Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>where it is. If it's at a bar, then we're fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I could I could maybe hang out at

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<v Speaker 2>a bar, you know, I like mocktails. But it's just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand people can't hang out outside, Like, why

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<v Speaker 2>can't people do things outside of bars? I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense because we could drink it.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why they do is because it is because

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<v Speaker 1>people are afraid of each other, and alcohol makes you

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<v Speaker 1>less afraid of people. It's not that's not it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a great thing, but that is the answer to your question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I also was told that I over communicate.

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<v Speaker 1>Who told you? Who told you?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people say that.

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<v Speaker 1>You say that autism, Yeah, it might be an autism thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Not sure in what? In what way? What do you

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<v Speaker 1>what do? What do you feel like you over communicate?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm just I don't. I don't like there's certain

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<v Speaker 2>the way people communicate where they don't say certain things

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<v Speaker 2>because it's inappropriate, you know, like I'm just like too honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me the last time you felt to me, the

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<v Speaker 1>last time you felt as though you over communicated something.

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<v Speaker 2>I live with a bunch of men who don't clean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I asked if they could please clean because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not their mother. And I feel like maybe I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have communicated it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they shouldn't have asked them, Like like you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have asked them at all if you could if they

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<v Speaker 1>could clean. No, No, they should they shouldn't have made

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<v Speaker 1>the comment about being their mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that part, because I feel like that's maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's something traumatizing to say for someone I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they have some kind of cognitive they can't do

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<v Speaker 2>things because they're also have a hard time. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to be like, why aren't they doing it?

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<v Speaker 2>Just trying to find epathetic ways to talk about things.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish my roommate when when I was in college,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish my roommate would assume that I don't do

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<v Speaker 1>the dishes because I have trauma. They were not as

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<v Speaker 1>kind to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I've I've been doing communal living my whole life,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just like always been a source of problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Not in this house. Surprisingly, but they don't like wipe

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<v Speaker 2>their ship off the toilet. It's strange. They also, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just they do things like they put trash next

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<v Speaker 2>to the trash can very confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're afraid to you ever communicate, You don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be at bars, and you you do? You do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any friends?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing I've been I've been struggling with this

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<v Speaker 2>and wondering, like what friendship means and like what like

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not seeing people or hanging out with them

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<v Speaker 2>but talking very often want my it's a friends And

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up here, So it's really weird that people

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<v Speaker 2>I know from here that I grew up around since

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<v Speaker 2>for over ten years and we don't talk or see

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<v Speaker 2>each other. And it's just like I'm on Instagram. I

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<v Speaker 2>see things. Everybody's hanging out with each other and doing

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<v Speaker 2>things I just don't. No, I don't know. I have friends.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Are friends? How you said how many people do you

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<v Speaker 1>live with?

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<v Speaker 2>I live with four men and I am not I

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<v Speaker 2>am a trans person.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how are you? Are you on good? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>friendly or friends with any of them? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>do you hate all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? One of them is like one of them is

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<v Speaker 2>like the homie, Like I trust him, he's really he

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<v Speaker 2>really likes my dogs. The other guys, I just met

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<v Speaker 2>them when I moved in, so you know their roommates.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them, I'm really uncomfortable around that.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you lived in Portland for.

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<v Speaker 2>I have moved here at the beginning of COVID, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how long ago that's been.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when did you when did you get.

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<v Speaker 2>Sober like a year before I moved here? Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>I moved away from here to like over ten years

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<v Speaker 2>ago because I grew up here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you've been sober living, you've been sober for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for a while. And I'm not like straight edge,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm like, you know, California sober.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, dude, there's got to come on. There's got

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<v Speaker 1>come on a Portland. There has got to be some

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<v Speaker 1>fucking Facebook group of clowns that like to hang out

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<v Speaker 1>and get high. Where is that that room? That room exists?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how people don't like Portland? You know

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<v Speaker 2>how people don't like Portland?

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<v Speaker 1>You have the perception that people don't like Portland's because.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like passive aggressive and there's tender queers and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's me all over the internet. You could probably find

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<v Speaker 2>them like like, you know, like I didn't do the

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<v Speaker 2>dishes because and traumatized. Right, very Portland, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just people don't communicate here, and it's very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I live in New Orleans. No Orleans is a

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<v Speaker 2>very caring place, like people everybody talks to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Dam I want to find the group of folks wearing

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<v Speaker 1>their clown outfits fucking heating up dabs.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I'm gonna be honest. Probably it's probably drag shows

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<v Speaker 2>where it exists. Okay, Yeah, I've gone to a few

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Yeah, it's usually at the bar, usually on

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend. I work. I work on the weekend. It's always,

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<v Speaker 2>like I just it's not accessible for people that can't

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<v Speaker 2>stand for very long and work on the weekend. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like a communities aren't built outside of alcohol culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't like. I don't really I've been

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<v Speaker 2>struggling with that a lot, like trying to find how

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<v Speaker 2>to be a part of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I can I? Can I float something? Can I

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<v Speaker 1>float something? By you?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, So you were telling me about when you

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<v Speaker 1>went to Corn. Yeah, you hosted a big Corn event. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so you had it. The initiative existed within

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<v Speaker 1>you to create your own experience based on what works

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<v Speaker 1>for you and then invite other people into that experience.

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<v Speaker 1>That is something you have successfully done before, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it was only with two people. You've done it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for telling you.

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<v Speaker 1>Next, that's true, Okay, yes, it is true, So why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you Here's what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying to you, and what I've been thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about this entire call is clowns who like to get

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<v Speaker 1>high and hang out. There's got to be at least

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be at least two hundred clowns who

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<v Speaker 1>like to get high and hang out in the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Portland, Oregon, but probably more. And I beg if

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<v Speaker 1>you I don't know how? Actually I do know. I

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<v Speaker 1>do know how Facebook, meet up, Instagram. If you I

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<v Speaker 1>just like I guess the potential exists for you to

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<v Speaker 1>be entrepreneurial about this and create your own club, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you do. Because listen, everyone who's listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>just that's what you When when there are all these

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<v Speaker 1>clubs out there and you don't fit into them because

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<v Speaker 1>you don't drink, or you don't identify as this, or

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<v Speaker 1>you're not this, or you're not that, or you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that, what you do if they don't let you

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<v Speaker 1>into the club? What do you do? Flee? What do

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<v Speaker 1>you do every time the people are letting you into

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<v Speaker 1>the clubs because you can't go, you start your own club.

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<v Speaker 1>You start the club. No, that's not what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't hang out about them. You start the club. Flee,

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<v Speaker 1>So start the club. Start the clowns that like to

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<v Speaker 1>get high at the Chuck E Cheese club. Whatever that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the chat said, grab life by the

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<v Speaker 1>red honkin' those And I'm gonna second that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't wear a big nose.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, I mean, listen, that's just me telling you

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. But what I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about all I'm gonna I take I take your

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<v Speaker 2>words very seriously, and I thank you very much. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having a very hard time just that's the whole madness

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<v Speaker 2>of reality. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that this phone call was made you feel

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<v Speaker 1>at least a little bit more empowered to start start

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<v Speaker 1>a club of some kind, because that's just what I'm getting.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really funny you're saying, right, Okay, it's really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying that's very funny. Oh great, I hope, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope I could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Please. There anything else you want to say to the

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<v Speaker 1>people at the computer before we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope everyone else is doing okay. Also, because

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<v Speaker 2>I know that we're all kind of going through it

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<v Speaker 2>with our own stuff, really real out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Flee one day, I'm going to poor I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>Portland next year, and when you're having your like you know, thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll show up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll show up as a Clinton.

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<v Speaker 1>Please shop, please, shops, please please show up as a

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<v Speaker 1>clown to the show that you in Portland.

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I shove nails in my head and do all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh please please please show up and show up ready

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<v Speaker 1>to do all of that, because I will call you

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<v Speaker 1>on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, cool. Oh and let's talk capitalism. Say again,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck capitalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck capitalism. But also go to www dot therapice go

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and buy my T shirts. Yes, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much. Have a good night.

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<v Speaker 6>Than Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked Flee a lot. I I I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a I'm a huge believer of that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a huge believer of that ship. Uh if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking around, you can't get into any of the clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Just start your own club. I don't know. And I

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<v Speaker 1>and look, some people have problems doing that for whatever

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<v Speaker 1>their reasons is, however legitimate those reasons are. But Flee

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<v Speaker 1>hosted the fucking corn event. So I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just maybe I'm being a dick,

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<v Speaker 1>but I I just want I just want flee to

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<v Speaker 1>I just know that there is a room of clowns

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<v Speaker 1>getting high and hanging out and having a good time

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<v Speaker 1>and poorland and I'm just over here ideating on how

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<v Speaker 1>we get flee into that room and I hope they

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<v Speaker 1>find it.

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<v Speaker 7>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing good? How about you?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your name, sir? My name is Brayden Branden Breden.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your life like?

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<v Speaker 2>Huh?

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<v Speaker 5>Recently it's kind of been drama filled, but I mean

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<v Speaker 5>other than that, I mean there's been a normal life.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean ups and down.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, is there anything particular that you wanted to call

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<v Speaker 1>and to talk about?

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<v Speaker 5>Really? Just what you know life is like as a

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<v Speaker 5>door dash driver. But there's one specific thing I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about about when I delivered to a place

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<v Speaker 5>that just had a shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>What place just had a shooting that you delivered to?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like, right as I was delivering to it, there

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<v Speaker 5>was a shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there was a okay, so there was a shooting

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<v Speaker 1>in progress when you were delivering there.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, Like I picked up the food. The shooting occurred,

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<v Speaker 5>and I got there before the cops did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's extremely funny that the DoorDash driver can arrive before

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<v Speaker 1>the police does.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's honestly kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So was there, Like, what tell tell me the story?

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<v Speaker 5>So basically, I was just in my area. I deliver

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of Chick fil A because that's what's most

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<v Speaker 5>popular here, and I went to go in and pick

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<v Speaker 5>it up, and I had I have to park in

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<v Speaker 5>like a parking lot that's like besides Chick fil A,

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.679
<v Speaker 5>because it's just too busy to try to park in

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<v Speaker 5>the Chick fil A. So, you know, I pick it up,

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<v Speaker 5>I come back out and as I'm walking to my car,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I'm kind of parked on the side of

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<v Speaker 5>a strip mall. And as I'm getting into my car,

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<v Speaker 5>I hear a series of pops in the distance, and

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<v Speaker 5>then I hear kind of like what sounds like a

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<v Speaker 5>rock being thrown against the side of like the building.

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<v Speaker 5>And I didn't really think much of it at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, Oh, you know, it's just someone with

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<v Speaker 5>their car, car exhausted in the distance. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>not that big a deal. And you know, I have

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<v Speaker 5>to drive across the street because I was delivering to

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<v Speaker 5>the mall. And as I pull up into the mall,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I get the food. I start to walk in,

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<v Speaker 5>and there's a bunch of people out, you know, out

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<v Speaker 5>by the front being like, oh is it safe or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, why are they asking that? And then I

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<v Speaker 5>look over and there's a car with like a bullet

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<v Speaker 5>hole through the windshield, and there were security car security

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.400
<v Speaker 5>guards outside like taking a bunch of notes and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>And this lady comes up and she's like, Oh, no,

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<v Speaker 5>my shooting or my car has nothing to do with

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 5>your shooting. You know, this is from a different one

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 5>in a different town. I was like, wait, so she just.

0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Drove up to the shooting. She just drove up to

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting with a bullet hole in her car, just

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<v Speaker 1>from a different shooting.

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<v Speaker 5>From different instances.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, where do you live, man?

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<v Speaker 2>I live.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a place called Rocky Mount, North Carolina. If anyone

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<v Speaker 5>knows North Carolina, my town is nicknamed Murder Mount. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a shooting that happens like every other day.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. And I thought North Carolina was boring, not Rocky Mount.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So at this time, at this time, it's still

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<v Speaker 5>not you know, clicking in my head that uh, there's

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<v Speaker 5>a shooting that happened. And you know, I'm walking in,

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of people are standing at the doors being like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not coming out. Do I know it's safe. I'm like,

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 5>what the world is happening? And I go in, I

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<v Speaker 5>deliver the food, I start to walk out, and then

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<v Speaker 5>I see like fifteen cop cars with all of their

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 5>lights on, just all over the parking lot and they

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<v Speaker 5>are like completely sectioning off a section of the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 5>As I'm walking out, they are doing it, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>what the hell just happened? And I go and ask

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 5>someone next to me and they're like, oh, shooting just happened.

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 5>I was like just now and they're like yeah, So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm guessing that rock that I heard hit the side

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 5>of the building I was at was actually a bullet

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:51.680
<v Speaker 5>that was flying over my head.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this kind of thing happen to you often when

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<v Speaker 1>you are door dashing around?

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<v Speaker 6>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is do you just live in a generally unsafe area?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't live here. I live in a different area.

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 5>I just come here for work. But some of these

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 5>things do happen. Yeah, because I was. There was another

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 5>instance of where I was going to the Walmart to

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.600
<v Speaker 5>pick up an order and there was another shooting that

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.320
<v Speaker 5>happened there, but the cops got there before I did

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 5>and completely sectioned off the parking lot so you could

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 5>not get in. And literally one stop light saved me,

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.119
<v Speaker 5>because if I was like thirty seconds, you know, ahead

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 5>of where I was, I would have been in there

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 5>when they sectioned off the parking lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and you would have just been stuck inside of

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the parking lot.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I would have been stuck inside the parking lot

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 5>because they didn't let anyone out of the parking lot

0:28:46.520 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 5>for like two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, So that doesn't make sense. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if either of us are going to know what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here, but if there's a like an active

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<v Speaker 1>shooter in a Walmart, why would they not let people

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<v Speaker 1>out of the parking lot. Is it because they're like

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<v Speaker 1>suspects or something.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's what it was. I think they thought

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<v Speaker 5>that some that the shooter was still in the parking lot,

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<v Speaker 5>so they were trying to keep them from going away.

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<v Speaker 5>But they don't really take it too seriously because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it happens like every other day, and they like to

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<v Speaker 5>say that it's a controlled shooting because they're not like

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<v Speaker 5>shooting random people. They're like people that are actually going for.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get tipped, well.

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<v Speaker 5>Unfortunately no. I mean some warders are good, some warders

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<v Speaker 5>are also bad. I usually don't like to work after dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I wouldn't too if I were yell.

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<v Speaker 5>There's also a bunch of crackheads in my area. There's

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<v Speaker 5>one he calls himself crackhead Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Crackhead Joe. Have you spoken with him?

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<v Speaker 7>I have.

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<v Speaker 5>I've spoken with him on different occasions. One of them.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't really talk to him in this instance, but

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<v Speaker 5>he was in the same restaurant I was picking up

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<v Speaker 5>from and this old lady came in to order and

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<v Speaker 5>he just kind of he looks at her, and then

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<v Speaker 5>he looks at me, and he looks back at her.

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<v Speaker 5>He goes, hey, man, do you know who I am?

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<v Speaker 5>She just looks at him and she goes, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know who you are, sir, and he just yells, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>crackhead Joe. And then he runs out of the restaurant

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 5>and runs down the road. And I think that's the

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<v Speaker 5>last time I saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think there is like, I mean, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think there is some kind of clout to be gained

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<v Speaker 1>from being like the crackhead of the area that he

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of trying to capitalize on when he was

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>talking to that woman, And maybe that's what that was.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think there could be some kind and

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<v Speaker 5>also maybe if he got on like social media, he

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<v Speaker 5>could have been like an influencer. But he was like

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<v Speaker 5>seventy years old. He might have been younger, but you know,

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 5>the crack kind of you know, accelerates in the aging process.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's interesting because I think, you know, people in general,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's people. There's a desire for an identity of

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<v Speaker 1>some kind, whatever that identity may be, and maybe he

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>was looking for it was like yeah, yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was like this could be you know, everyone wants to

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<v Speaker 1>have a thing, like, you know, like I'm the gecko guy.

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, some people are like, oh, I'm a skateboarder.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to see you know, I define myself by

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<v Speaker 1>skateboarding and crackhead Joe. I don't know. I don't know

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>crackhead Joe, and I wouldn't call him. It sounds to me,

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it is offensive to call him crackhead Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it sounds to me like he like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what, that's what he denotes himself as that if

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<v Speaker 1>he's like if he if he calls himself that, I'm like,

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'll, you know, call you whatever you want

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>me to call you. And it could be something that

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<v Speaker 1>pride out of. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Say that again, I said, is he is it really

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<v Speaker 5>offensive if he wants to be called it? I mean

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of like, you know, like I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 5>think of another famous person like the Rock kind of

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 5>likes to be called the Rock, and crackhead Joe just

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<v Speaker 5>wants to be called crackhead Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad he found his land.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, at least he's happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't know that, but Brandon, is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>else you want to say to the people of the

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<v Speaker 1>computer before we go?

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<v Speaker 5>I guess just try to be safe and if you

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 5>hear something that she thinks of car exhausts, it may

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 5>not be a car exists. And they being activeputing.

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<v Speaker 1>We learned new things every day on the Therapy Gecko podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for calling man.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, thank you have a good day.

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<v Speaker 7>Hello, Hello, Hello, is this low?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Who's this?

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<v Speaker 6>This is Colin?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on with you? Colin?

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 6>How much? How you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a get go on the computer?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah you are?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Colin? So Colin, what's up? What? Why did

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you call me? Why the fuck did you call me? Colin?

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>You tell me right now, You tell me right now

0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>before I throw a fit. I'm pissed off, Colin. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know why I

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>did any of that. Just now. What's going on? Conn

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me everything? Tell me nothing?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 8>I called in because for like years now, I've had

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 8>this mindset where it's not to explain, but essentially, like

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.359
<v Speaker 8>I'm in college right now, I'm neat a pretty good

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 8>amount of people, and I usually find myself judging them

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 8>pretty quick. But like and like, I know that's not

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 8>really good to do, but I find myself proving myself

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.560
<v Speaker 8>right about judging them a lot. And so I'm in

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 8>this conflict of like, do I try and be upen

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 8>minded and then like end up proving myself right or

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 8>do I just stick with my judgments because usually I

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 8>feel like I don't know, Like I'll give an example,

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 8>I feel like I'm not explaining it poorly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, well no, no, no you're not. I don't think

0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you're an explain it for but I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear the example.

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<v Speaker 8>So a common thing that I experienced is meeting a

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:13.359
<v Speaker 8>lot of kids that were brought up really well and

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 8>like really fortunate with their circumstances, and like they're nice

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 8>and all, but I've learned like ninety nine percent of

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 8>the time, like I don't know, like they're gonna be

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 8>like rude or like they're gonna have some kind of

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.480
<v Speaker 8>like glaring character flaw. Like I have a lot of

0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 8>people who I was friends with and then you know,

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 8>I was hanging out with them and their friends and

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 8>then they treat you completely different. Or like I work

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 8>in the service industry and a lot of these people

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 8>will like treat me really badly just because like I'm working,

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 8>and so I find myself just in like normal day

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 8>to day meeting similar types of people, and I just

0:35:55.840 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 8>kind of like I don't really treat them like I'll

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 8>have any kind of friendship with them, Like I immediately

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 8>call it off in my head, okay, And when I

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 8>don't do that, I just find myself doing it anyways,

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<v Speaker 8>you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 6>Does that make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>When you yeah, when you say that you judge people

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, I mean, what judgments are you typically making

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<v Speaker 1>about people?

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<v Speaker 8>Just that like there they'll be like a crummy person

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 8>or like selfish or like rude, like a lot of

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.919
<v Speaker 8>like common negative character traits. If that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let me think here, I do you talk, like

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>how soon into talking to people are you making these judgments?

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<v Speaker 8>Not like in five seconds? Probably, Like say I have

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<v Speaker 8>like a class with someone where we have a group project,

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 8>and I'll work with them for like forty five minutes,

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<v Speaker 8>for like an hour. Usually at some point in there,

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.440
<v Speaker 8>like I find that like I can base off of

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 8>maybe how they present themselves or how they talk, or

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 8>how like they'll treat people in the group. But like

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 8>I can kind of gauge that they're this type of

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 8>person that I've described, and like I'll just kind of

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 8>calm off from there and like digest work with them

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 8>in that group project.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, kind of display a lot of Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have since thought I have some thoughts on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of the one of the best things

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard. That was a lot one of the

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 1>best things I ever heard. It was a good thing

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's one of the best things

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard, But I heard this thing that someone said,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was Mark Manson or someone They were like,

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:58.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, it is not people's job to present

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>all of their best, most interesting, wonderful qualities to you,

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 1>because that it's not in your control whether or not

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>they do that. It is your job to uh again,

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:21.840
<v Speaker 1>in working with what is within your control, to find

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>uh and perceive the things about other people that are redeeming,

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>interesting and positive. So uh, it sounds to me like

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you're approaching people with this inherent negative perspective of them

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>or like your you know, you know you ever heard

0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the term confirmation bias.

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<v Speaker 8>I can't say I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it's like it's like if you're talking, like if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a group project some guy and you know

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>he's maybe he's wearing like a nice shirt. You're like, oh,

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>this guy's wearing a nice shirt, he must be an asshole.

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 1>You're now going out in your brain. You're now trying

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:20.359
<v Speaker 1>actively to you're biasedly attempting to perceive things about him

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>that confirm your suspicion that he's an asshole. Does that

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 1>make sense? So if you were to just wipe your

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>brain blank, or if or even better, if you were

0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to approach the world in some sense of you know,

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:49.359
<v Speaker 1>most people are good, most people do have redeeming qualities,

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>most people are acting kindly, most people This that whatever

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 1>positive things your confirmation bias would work, then the other way,

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 1>where you would actually go out of your way to

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 1>perceive things about people that confirm your bias, that you know,

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>they're nice or they are friendly, or whatever it is.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>And the choice at the end of the day remainds

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>is yours as to how you want to see the

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 1>world and how you want to see you want to

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>see people, because so much of it is about like

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the mindset, you know. And so if you decide not

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.520
<v Speaker 1>even because you know, if you decide just because you

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>want to live in a better version of the world

0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>where people are nice, you just decide that people are nice,

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that people are a certain way, whether people are interesting

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>or the people have redeeming qualities, or that people are

0:40:56.719 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>just trying their best. And you go out in the

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:06.439
<v Speaker 1>world and you are now perceiving things in a way

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>that are trying to confirm that bias. Uh, maybe you'll

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you'll kind of solve this issue that you have of

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>judging people too fast. Does any of what I just

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 1>said make sense?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:24.400
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's uh. I actually love that. That's extremely insightful.

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 8>I've never might be a surprise, but I've never really thought.

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<v Speaker 6>Of it like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, good, good, Because here's the thing, the dude,

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This is why I don't. I don't

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like labels and I don't I think there is a

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>thing where we're villainizing people a lot, or we're saying, oh,

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 1>if you're this, then you're that, or just all all

0:41:54.920 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>this shit that is just a barrier against actually interacting

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>with people and finding common ground with them. And uh,

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's a good thing to try

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to get yourself out of, if that makes sense.

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, no, one hundred percent degree. I I realized that,

0:42:19.239 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 8>like it kind of comes off bad, but it's just

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 8>it's tough. Like I completely agree with you, but it's

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:30.960
<v Speaker 8>always tough because like I'll try and like look for

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 8>the nice things and people, and like I still just

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:42.439
<v Speaker 8>unfortunately end up like proving my judgments, right sure, yeah,

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 8>And it's just like a daily toss up in my

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 8>head because like I don't want to be that asshole

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:53.879
<v Speaker 8>that like these a dude like driving a red Mercedes

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 8>and he's like a freshman in college and it's like

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 8>brand new, and it's like okay, obviously, like your parents

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 8>probably bought that for you, and like I try to

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 8>like look and be like okay, maybe like he's just

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 8>a really fortunate guy, but like he's really hard working

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 8>and like he's kindly nice, and like he might even

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 8>like help me in class. And then it's like nine

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 8>out ten times I'll like meet that guy and it's like,

0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 8>oh no, yeah, he's actually an asshole. Sure yeah, And

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 8>I realized like just picturing like typical rich kid, but

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.760
<v Speaker 8>it's it's like that with a lot of different people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, well, first of all, none of what

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying means you have to be friends with anyone

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<v Speaker 1>or that you have to spend time with anyone that

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to spend time with. I understand, you know,

0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>if you if you're spending if you're talking to this

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 1>guy and he's you know, treating you in a way

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like I don't think I want to be

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>friends with this guy, or I don't think I want

0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 1>to spend time with this guy totally don't spend time

0:44:00.560 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>with him or try to be friends with him in

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 1>order to, like, you know, prove some hippie kumbay a

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>piece thing. But in defense of the hippie kumbay a

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 1>piece thing, I would say that, And I'm this is

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<v Speaker 1>all stuff that like I'm trying to ascribe to myself

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<v Speaker 1>and don't do a perfect job of. So I hope

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<v Speaker 1>I don't sound like you know, I've I've mastered this

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>way of thinking, because it's just kind of a recreational

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 1>philosophy shit that I'm sure I contradict myself in my

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.439
<v Speaker 1>actions a lot all the time. But I mean, there's

0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a thousand things about this guy driving the Mercedes

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.799
<v Speaker 1>that you don't know. You don't really know what his

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>relationship with his family is, like, you don't really know

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>what it was like growing up for him. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he's happy, you don't know what his problems

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that you don't like. You just you don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And that and that doesn't mean that every you know,

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>rich kid driving a Mercedes is secretly this you know,

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>troubled child. But it doesn't it doesn't mean anything. All

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>it means is that you don't know, and so if

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't know, you cannot make the judgment.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I agree with you said, but I don't know.

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>If you become friends with the kid, maybe he'll let

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you drive in his Mercedes and that would be kind

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 1>of cool. So maybe you should be friends with him,

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 1>or maybe he'll give you some money?

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<v Speaker 6>True? True?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Is anything? Oh no, please please, I want to hear

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 8>I was I was just going to kind of agree

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 8>with your point of like it's tough to be perfect

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 8>about and and like, obviously you should jump the conclusions

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 8>with people. But I think I agree with you. I

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 8>think even if I prove myself right, it's probably worth

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<v Speaker 8>it to look for the good things and people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, And again, you know, if you're talking to

0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.840
<v Speaker 1>a guy and he's like just being an asshole to you,

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:38.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you have to be his best friend. Doesn't

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 1>mean you have to I mean, you don't have to

0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 1>do any of the shit. But for your own personal sake,

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of your own personal peace, I think you might be

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:55.520
<v Speaker 1>better off just understanding that you don't know anything about him. Really.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, yeah, I think that's a much better way to

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<v Speaker 8>stick by it.

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 6>That's a much better.

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Mindset, Colin, Is there anything else you want to say

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 1>to me or the people of the computer or God

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>or SpongeBob before we go?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's completely unrelated. But I'm in the process of

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 8>kind of working on a business right now and it's

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 8>really thrilling and I'm very passionate about it. So if

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 8>you have a dream that you'd like to chase, you

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 8>should for sure chase it.

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I like that. Thanks for calling Colin.

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 6>Thanks for picking up how to go Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, all those business kids, sure our assholes, aren't they?

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:41.920
<v Speaker 8>Now?

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding, Calm, Colin's con seems like a nice guy.

0:47:45.000 --> 0:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know that either. You could say, Look,

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.080
<v Speaker 1>you could say the same thing about positive judgments, to

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:53.360
<v Speaker 1>be honest, not that I'm thinking about it, Like you know,

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:56.920
<v Speaker 1>say someone's being all nice and shit, you don't know

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>what is going on with them. I don't know. I

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.200
<v Speaker 1>think that's the point of this whole cause I don't know.

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for calling, Calm. Hello, Hello, Hi, what's up?

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>How can I get you today?

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.919
<v Speaker 3>I told Stage two different things. I don't know which

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.080
<v Speaker 3>one she thought was more interesting.

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Uh, well, forget about that. I'm forget about what you

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 1>told anyone what as you are on the phone with

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>me in this moment, do you desire to talk about?

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, man, I guess kind of fresh on my mind.

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yesterday found out one of my friends died.

0:48:44.239 --> 0:48:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to hear that died a couple of weeks ago.

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know about it.

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>You just found out yesterday and it happened a couple

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago.

0:48:55.920 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, Well, I didn't know the very well. He

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:05.720
<v Speaker 3>do you play D and D Dungeons and Dragon.

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't play it myself, but I know what it is.

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So he was he was a group of my

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 3>friends DM, so he like ran the game, and he

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.400
<v Speaker 3>only played like three or four times. So I didn't

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 3>know him very well. But he stopped responding to our

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.120
<v Speaker 3>messages in our Discord chat. It's been like a month,

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 3>so I thought he just didn't want to play anymore,

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 3>and he's just kind of ghosting us, you know. I

0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:36.799
<v Speaker 3>just assumed that he was like being an asshole. But

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 3>then I got a message on Discord claiming from his

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 3>brother that he was dead. But like, he didn't use

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 3>his real name, he used his Discord name, so I

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:51.919
<v Speaker 3>just assumed he was lying. And and then I woke

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:54.880
<v Speaker 3>up his name and and find his obituary and he

0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 3>died like he died on campus, like in the engineering building.

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 1>He died on the campus that you you go to

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 1>college on.

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:05.919
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, were you close with this guy at all? I

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 1>know you said you only played with him a couple

0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 1>of times, but I mean, did you have any kind

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of like relationship.

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.360
<v Speaker 3>I met him like four times just to play D

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 3>and D I extent I knew of him with his

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:26.919
<v Speaker 3>first name. So it is kind of weird.

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this seems to be and it could be in

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a personal sense, it could be in a existential sense,

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 1>it could be in any kind of sense, but this

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>does seem as though it's affecting you in some way. Yeah,

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>how are you feeling about him?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel really bad for assuming that he was being

0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 3>an asshole when he was dead.

0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 7>M hm hm.

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 3>And so I got like I was talking about it

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 3>in class because I didn't see the text until yesterday morning,

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 3>and I was in the middle of class, so I

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 3>was telling people about it, and then like the whole

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.400
<v Speaker 3>class got involved, and they're like, dude, what if this

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.279
<v Speaker 3>guy's actually dead? And then I find out he's dead

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, oh, man, you're a horrible person because

0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I didn't believe it, and I just feel really bad

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 3>about it.

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Your classmates told you that you're a horrible person.

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I just I thought he was making it up. Like,

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 3>how am I supposed to expect someone who hasn't message

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 3>in a month, is uh, you know, dead and not

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 3>just ghosting us.

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 1>No, there's no room to assume anything or not assume

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 1>anything that didn't make sense. There's no room to assume anything. Yeah,

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:54.640
<v Speaker 1>do you why do you?

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 6>Do?

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.120
<v Speaker 1>You feel like a horrible person.

0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 4>A little bit?

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:04.799
<v Speaker 3>I feel bad about it?

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 1>M hm, Well, I mean, listen, man, I don't think

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that it was of you to be able to assume

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>that he was dead, right, and also the idea that

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.880
<v Speaker 1>you know he was ghosting you and that you were

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>upset by that, that's an idea that comes from wanting

0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to hang out with him, which is a good thing.

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>So no, I don't think that makes you a horrible person.

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just yeah, I mean, you can't expect to

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 3>do his own nineteen. Yeah, you can't just like assume

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 3>people are dying when they don't answer.

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:57.399
<v Speaker 4>So I don't know.

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:04.040
<v Speaker 1>How Uh, Now you have friends who are friends with

0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 1>this guy. You have mutual friends with him?

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, other powers in their.

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>D and D session, And how have they reacted to this?

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 3>They didn't believe it either until we found the obituary

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 3>for this dude.

0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Do we know how he died?

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:33.120
<v Speaker 3>The bituary said breathing problems, like he had trouble breathing.

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:36.760
<v Speaker 3>You know that could be anything.

0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>H m hm. How are you feeling talking about this?

0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:48.160
<v Speaker 1>You sound you sound upset.

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's kind of put

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 3>in perspective. Some of my my other friends have been

0:53:56.840 --> 0:54:00.120
<v Speaker 3>trying to catch up with him, because you know, all

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 3>these people I haven't talked to in months. You know,

0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's on none of them either.

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Tell me more about that, this perspective that it's

0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>given you on other things.

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess. I guess I want to make sure

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:21.000
<v Speaker 3>my other friends are dead. You know, it's not something

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.719
<v Speaker 3>I ever thought about. I've never had like a like

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.160
<v Speaker 3>a close family member die, so I don't really know

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:26.720
<v Speaker 3>how to.

0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 4>Deal with death.

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 1>M So this is making you want to reach out

0:54:33.080 --> 0:54:39.760
<v Speaker 1>to other friends that you haven't spoken with in a while. Yeah, Okay,

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a I think that's a good takeaway

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:46.839
<v Speaker 1>from this. You know, it's obviously very sad, but I'm

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that it's given you a sort of awareness

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of the fragility of your relationships, you know, because you

0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>really do never know when a person you ever talked

0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:06.440
<v Speaker 1>to in a while, whether whether they are AFK or

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, if they if they're gone.

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 4>All right, Yeah, I don't know.

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 1>What's your name again, Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. I'm sorry to

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 1>hear about your friend, man, thank you for calling.

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.239
<v Speaker 4>Daniel, Yeah, thank you.

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I like Daniel. He's a nice guy. I hope that

0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:46.080
<v Speaker 1>that was sad to hear about his friend. I do hope.

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I hope it inspires him to, yeah, to wanna catch

0:55:51.560 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>up with old friends. Now I'm thinking about my old

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:57.319
<v Speaker 1>friends that I haven't seen in a long time, and

0:55:57.440 --> 0:56:03.480
<v Speaker 1>how Yeah, it's weird. Anything could happen. Check up on

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 1>your homies, man, check up on your homies. You never

0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 1>know what's going on. You can never really assume anything.

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:14.800
<v Speaker 1>That's another that's a this is I guess a lesson

0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 1>an assumption perhaps could be and to not do it.

0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 2>The kid goes on the line taking your phone calls

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 2>every night.

0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:27.879
<v Speaker 7>Never be Kid goes to What a Ride.

0:56:27.960 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 8>He's teaching you Cloud in the Memorial Life.

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:32.680
<v Speaker 1>But he's not really an expert.