1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Who is hi? 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: I am a wit named today I gave Flee. That's 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: my name. 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing? Flee? 5 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: I'm doing kind of crappy right now. Why I'm just 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: like really in my like depression and stuff. 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: Uh, flee. It says here that you used to be 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: a professional clown. Yes, you are a stereotypical sad clown. 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Yes, but that's that's actually not one of my clown 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: my clown characters. It's sad your clown character as a person. No, No, 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: the clown is very cheery, goofy, sneaky, sexy. 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: A sexy clown. What kind of sexy clown? 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I would like to do a strip tease 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: where I would roll around and broken glass. 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: You did a strip tease? You would roll around and 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: broken like actually broken glass? 17 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I would break beer bottles before the show, 18 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: you round and broken beer bottles. 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: Uh did that ever hurt? 20 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: Surprisingly? Not No, not that often? 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: No, mm hmm. 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: How did you How did you train yourself for that 23 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: to not hurt? 24 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: There's well, there's a lot of spiritual stuff with paint, 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: like peer know about piercings and how people do like 26 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: pain tried stuff? Well, there's people who do like suspense 27 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: or they'll like play pierced their Bobby, and I'll kind 28 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: of say, it's like that where you kind of just 29 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: accept it as it's happening. I've been like the bed 30 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: of nails stuff like sideshow better nails really lay on 31 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: the bed of nails, and it doesn't it doesn't hurt. 32 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: I don't really know how to explain it. This doesn't 33 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: really hurt. 34 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: So Flee. It says here that you're a former clown 35 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: and you got sober and then when you got sober, 36 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: you stopped going out and clowning around. Is that accurate? Yeah, okay, 37 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: tell me about that. 38 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: Yes. 39 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: Well, so I lived in New Orleans and it's very 40 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: a drunk city. So when I got sober, there was 41 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: like almost nothing to do that didn't involve like people 42 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: being wasted or on kiddymene. So I just stopped going out. 43 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: And this was like way before COVID happened, too, so 44 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: because then COVID happened and then I had to isolate 45 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: even more and I regret not clowning at home without 46 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: the event of it all. 47 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: So do you feel those are the fact that you're 48 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: sober now means that you no longer can go out 49 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: and clown. 50 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: No. I moved. I moved out of New Orleans and 51 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm in an Oregon now and I go out every 52 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: so often trying to find this community. And I've dressed 53 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: up as a clown. I dressed as a clown for Halloween, 54 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: and I went out to a movie and there's a 55 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: sex club here where I dressed up as a clown 56 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: at h Yeah, COVID, So. 57 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Why are you depressed right now? 58 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: I just don't really have a lot of friends or community. 59 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: And it's just that I've lost a lot of friends, 60 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: like from death and things flee. 61 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: You're a clown, your clowns and what I mean by 62 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: hold on hold on now? What I mean by that? 63 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: What I mean by that you live in Oregon. There's 64 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: gotta be other clowns in Oregon for you to go 65 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: fucking clown around with. Have have you tried to go 66 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: out and find people to clown around with? 67 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? I have. I grew up where I'm living now, 68 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: so like I have, Okay? 69 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: And And why has that has not? That that not 70 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: been fruitful for you? 71 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: No? Not, just I can't seem to make a lot 72 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: of connections that last you know, it's like everybody's got 73 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: opposite work schedule, or like they're going through their own 74 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: ship or respond or they're performing at bars too much. 75 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: And I just still am figuring out how I feel 76 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: at bars as a person that doesn't want to drink. 77 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: Is it hard for you to be in a bar 78 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: at all? 79 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes? Sometimes it's not. Sometimes I tend to want to drink, 80 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: and you know that's the biggy feeling. I want to 81 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: drink when now it's going to come harm. 82 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: Have you ever done any events of any kind where 83 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: you have invited other people into your domain where you 84 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: pick the venue and you sort of set the scene 85 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: and invite people. Have you done anything like that? 86 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 5: Yes? 87 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: And it was successful once and we went and saw 88 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: Corn and it was awesome. 89 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so it was successful and you saw Corn and 90 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: it was awesome. 91 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: It was. 92 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: So why did you do it? Why have you never 93 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: done it again? Why have we only done it once? 94 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: It should be a recurring thing that awesome. 95 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: Well, it was like Corn's farewell tours. And but me 96 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: and that person don't hang out often because they're like busy, 97 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: and I don't know, I don't know why we don't 98 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 2: hang out more. 99 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: Said you know you said, you said that you don't 100 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: do it anymore because it's corn for because it's Corn's 101 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: farewell tour, But flee. There are other things to do 102 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: in the world besides the corn that you can do 103 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: with your town people. 104 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: That absolutely is. Yeah, I don't know. 105 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: It was just one person. It was just you and 106 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: this other person going to see corn. 107 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: It was me and on a friend of theirs that 108 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: I just met that day. And it's actually funny enough. 109 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: They was they worked down the street for me. 110 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: Where do you live? You live an Oregon? Yeah, I'm 111 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: googling Oregon clown beat up right now. 112 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: There's part I live live for. 113 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: You are a clown and you live in Portland, Oregon 114 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: and you're having trouble meeting people. 115 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: It's like, well, I grew up here in Tuma, h. 116 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: There was recently. There was recently the there was a 117 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: fucking clown. I'm on Google right now. There was a 118 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: clown the festival in Portland. 119 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: I did not know. 120 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: You got to put yourself out there here. Yeah, what 121 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: is Box of Clowns dot Com? I'm on here. I'm 122 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: like googling Portland clown ship for you right now? 123 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for me. 124 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: What is Portland Portland clown There's a Portland clown bar. 125 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: There's a Portland clown bar. What do you do? It's 126 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: why are you calling my show? Go to the Portland 127 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: clown bar right now? Look at this? Oh I forgot 128 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: an I'm so, I'm dumb. I forgot. I forget it. 129 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: I forgot it seems like a show maybe or if 130 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: there's like it's okay, I understand. It's I used to 131 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: be that I used to do. I mean, that's what 132 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: I used to do. 133 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 5: Go to park. 134 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: I've been there. I got drunk there with people. I 135 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: went to a birthday party, but I got really drunk 136 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: and did a bunch of drugs and drunk around drunk. 137 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So your problem is that there are Your problem 138 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: is that you you're a clown and you live in 139 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Portland and there's a bunch of fun clown Portland ship 140 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: to do, but it's all at bars, and you feel 141 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: like you're not at a point yet in your sobriety 142 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: where you can be at a bar and not be 143 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: very tempted to drink. 144 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: It's hard to clown sober. 145 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to clown sober. You know, it's funny 146 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: I have a friend who's a clown and she she's 147 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: sober and she I'm dead serious. I have a friend 148 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: who's a clown and she's sober, and she used she 149 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: she she h, still finds a way to clown around 150 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: in her sobriety. 151 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot more to it that I don't 152 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 2: want to There's a lot of really traumatic stuff that 153 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about because the people, the 154 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: people are listening, so you know it's gonna happen. I'm 155 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: just like, how do I how do I like shake 156 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: off the ick? You know of things that is to 157 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: do because even though like I don't draw anymore, I 158 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 2: barely draw it to any creative stuff. 159 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm on, I'm on uh okay, I'm on Facebook right now. 160 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Did you know that there's a monthly clown meet up 161 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: in Portland? There's a monthly clown to meet Let's see 162 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: where it is. If it's at a bar, then we're fucked. 163 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: But let me. 164 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: I mean I could I could maybe hang out at 165 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: a bar, you know, I like mocktails. But it's just 166 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: I don't understand people can't hang out outside, Like, why 167 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: can't people do things outside of bars? I don't get it. 168 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: That makes sense because we could drink it. 169 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 6: Well. 170 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: The reason why they do is because it is because 171 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: people are afraid of each other, and alcohol makes you 172 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: less afraid of people. It's not that's not it's not 173 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: a great thing, but that is the answer to your question. 174 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I also was told that I over communicate. 175 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: Who told you? Who told you? 176 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: A lot of people say that. 177 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: You say that autism, Yeah, it might be an autism thing. 178 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: Not sure in what? In what way? What do you 179 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: what do? What do you feel like you over communicate? 180 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: Like, I'm just I don't. I don't like there's certain 181 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: the way people communicate where they don't say certain things 182 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: because it's inappropriate, you know, like I'm just like too honest. 183 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: Tell me the last time you felt to me, the 184 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: last time you felt as though you over communicated something. 185 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: I live with a bunch of men who don't clean, 186 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: and I asked if they could please clean because I'm 187 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 2: not their mother. And I feel like maybe I shouldn't 188 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: have communicated it that way. 189 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: Maybe they shouldn't have asked them, Like like you shouldn't 190 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: have asked them at all if you could if they 191 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: could clean. No, No, they should they shouldn't have made 192 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: the comment about being their mother. 193 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that part, because I feel like that's maybe maybe 194 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: there's something traumatizing to say for someone I don't know, 195 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: maybe they have some kind of cognitive they can't do 196 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: things because they're also have a hard time. I don't know. 197 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be like, why aren't they doing it? 198 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: Just trying to find epathetic ways to talk about things. 199 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: I wish my roommate when when I was in college, 200 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: I wish my roommate would assume that I don't do 201 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: the dishes because I have trauma. They were not as 202 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: kind to me. 203 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I've I've been doing communal living my whole life, 204 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: and it's just like always been a source of problems. 205 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: Not in this house. Surprisingly, but they don't like wipe 206 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: their ship off the toilet. It's strange. They also, I don't. 207 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: I just they do things like they put trash next 208 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: to the trash can very confusing. 209 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay, you're afraid to you ever communicate, You don't want 210 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: to be at bars, and you you do? You do 211 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: you have any friends? 212 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: That's the thing I've been I've been struggling with this 213 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 2: and wondering, like what friendship means and like what like 214 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: if you're not seeing people or hanging out with them 215 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: but talking very often want my it's a friends And 216 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: I grew up here, So it's really weird that people 217 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: I know from here that I grew up around since 218 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: for over ten years and we don't talk or see 219 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: each other. And it's just like I'm on Instagram. I 220 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: see things. Everybody's hanging out with each other and doing 221 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:24,239 Speaker 2: things I just don't. No, I don't know. I have friends. 222 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? 223 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: Are friends? How you said how many people do you 224 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: live with? 225 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: I live with four men and I am not I 226 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: am a trans person. 227 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: Okay, how are you? Are you on good? Are you 228 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: friendly or friends with any of them? Or do you 229 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: do you hate all? 230 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? One of them is like one of them is 231 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: like the homie, Like I trust him, he's really he 232 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: really likes my dogs. The other guys, I just met 233 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: them when I moved in, so you know their roommates. 234 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: One of them, I'm really uncomfortable around that. 235 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: How long have you lived in Portland for. 236 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: I have moved here at the beginning of COVID, and 237 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: I don't know how long ago that's been. 238 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: And then when did you when did you get. 239 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: Sober like a year before I moved here? Okay, but 240 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: I moved away from here to like over ten years 241 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: ago because I grew up here. 242 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So you've been sober living, you've been sober for 243 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: a long time. 244 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, for a while. And I'm not like straight edge, 245 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: like I'm like, you know, California sober. 246 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, dude, there's got to come on. There's got 247 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: come on a Portland. There has got to be some 248 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: fucking Facebook group of clowns that like to hang out 249 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: and get high. Where is that that room? That room exists? 250 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: I know it. 251 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: Do you know how people don't like Portland? You know 252 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: how people don't like Portland? 253 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: You have the perception that people don't like Portland's because. 254 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: It's like passive aggressive and there's tender queers and you know, 255 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: there's me all over the internet. You could probably find 256 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: them like like, you know, like I didn't do the 257 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: dishes because and traumatized. Right, very Portland, right, you know, 258 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: it's just people don't communicate here, and it's very you know, 259 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: and I live in New Orleans. No Orleans is a 260 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: very caring place, like people everybody talks to each other. 261 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: Dam I want to find the group of folks wearing 262 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: their clown outfits fucking heating up dabs. 263 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm gonna be honest. Probably it's probably drag shows 264 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: where it exists. Okay, Yeah, I've gone to a few 265 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, it's usually at the bar, usually on 266 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: the weekend. I work. I work on the weekend. It's always, 267 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: like I just it's not accessible for people that can't 268 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: stand for very long and work on the weekend. So 269 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: it's just like a communities aren't built outside of alcohol culture. 270 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: I guess I don't like. I don't really I've been 271 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 2: struggling with that a lot, like trying to find how 272 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: to be a part of things. 273 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: Can I can I? Can I float something? Can I 274 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: float something? By you? 275 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: Of course? 276 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: Of course, So you were telling me about when you 277 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: went to Corn. Yeah, you hosted a big Corn event. Yes, 278 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: all right, so you had it. The initiative existed within 279 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: you to create your own experience based on what works 280 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: for you and then invite other people into that experience. 281 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: That is something you have successfully done before, even if 282 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: it was only with two people. You've done it before. 283 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: Thank you for telling you. 284 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: Next, that's true, Okay, yes, it is true, So why 285 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: don't you Here's what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. 286 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you, and what I've been thinking 287 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: about this entire call is clowns who like to get 288 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: high and hang out. There's got to be at least 289 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: there's got to be at least two hundred clowns who 290 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: like to get high and hang out in the city 291 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: of Portland, Oregon, but probably more. And I beg if 292 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: you I don't know how? Actually I do know. I 293 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: do know how Facebook, meet up, Instagram. If you I 294 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: just like I guess the potential exists for you to 295 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: be entrepreneurial about this and create your own club, because 296 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: that's what you do. Because listen, everyone who's listening to this, 297 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: just that's what you When when there are all these 298 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: clubs out there and you don't fit into them because 299 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: you don't drink, or you don't identify as this, or 300 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: you're not this, or you're not that, or you can't 301 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: do that, what you do if they don't let you 302 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: into the club? What do you do? Flee? What do 303 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: you do every time the people are letting you into 304 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: the clubs because you can't go, you start your own club. 305 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: You start the club. No, that's not what you do. 306 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: You don't hang out about them. You start the club. Flee, 307 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: So start the club. Start the clowns that like to 308 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: get high at the Chuck E Cheese club. Whatever that is. 309 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 2: Okay. 310 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: So one of the chat said, grab life by the 311 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: red honkin' those And I'm gonna second that. 312 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: I don't wear a big nose. 313 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: But yes, I mean, listen, that's just me telling you 314 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: what to do. But what I wouldn't. 315 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 2: Think about all I'm gonna I take I take your 316 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: words very seriously, and I thank you very much. I'm 317 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: having a very hard time just that's the whole madness 318 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: of reality. Yeah. 319 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: I hope that this phone call was made you feel 320 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: at least a little bit more empowered to start start 321 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: a club of some kind, because that's just what I'm getting. 322 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 2: It's really funny you're saying, right, Okay, it's really funny. 323 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: You're saying that's very funny. Oh great, I hope, I 324 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: hope I could do that. 325 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Please. There anything else you want to say to the 326 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: people at the computer before we go. 327 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope everyone else is doing okay. Also, because 328 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: I know that we're all kind of going through it 329 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: with our own stuff, really real out there. 330 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: Flee one day, I'm going to poor I'm going to 331 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: Portland next year, and when you're having your like you know, thirteenth, 332 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: I'll show up. 333 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: I'll show up as a Clinton. 334 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: Please shop, please, shops, please please show up as a 335 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: clown to the show that you in Portland. 336 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: I shove nails in my head and do all sorts 337 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: of stuff. 338 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: Oh please please please show up and show up ready 339 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: to do all of that, because I will call you 340 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: on stage. 341 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cool. Oh and let's talk capitalism. Say again, 342 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: fuck capitalism. 343 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: Fuck capitalism. But also go to www dot therapice go 344 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: dot com and buy my T shirts. Yes, thank you 345 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: very much. Have a good night. 346 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 6: Than Yeah. 347 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: I liked Flee a lot. I I I you know, 348 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a huge believer of that. I'm 349 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: a huge believer of that ship. Uh if you if 350 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: you're looking around, you can't get into any of the clubs. 351 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: Just start your own club. I don't know. And I 352 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: and look, some people have problems doing that for whatever 353 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: their reasons is, however legitimate those reasons are. But Flee 354 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: hosted the fucking corn event. So I don't know why. 355 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just maybe I'm being a dick, 356 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: but I I just want I just want flee to 357 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: I just know that there is a room of clowns 358 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: getting high and hanging out and having a good time 359 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: and poorland and I'm just over here ideating on how 360 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: we get flee into that room and I hope they 361 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: find it. 362 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 7: Hello. 363 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Hello, how you doing. 364 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 5: I'm doing good? How about you? 365 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: What's your name, sir? My name is Brayden Branden Breden. 366 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: What's your life like? 367 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: Huh? 368 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 5: Recently it's kind of been drama filled, but I mean 369 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 5: other than that, I mean there's been a normal life. 370 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 5: I mean ups and down. 371 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: Okay, is there anything particular that you wanted to call 372 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: and to talk about? 373 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 5: Really? Just what you know life is like as a 374 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 5: door dash driver. But there's one specific thing I wanted 375 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 5: to talk about about when I delivered to a place 376 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 5: that just had a shooting. 377 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: What place just had a shooting that you delivered to? 378 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, like, right as I was delivering to it, there 379 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 5: was a shooting. 380 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: Well there was a okay, so there was a shooting 381 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: in progress when you were delivering there. 382 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 5: Yes, Like I picked up the food. The shooting occurred, 383 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 5: and I got there before the cops did. 384 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: That's extremely funny that the DoorDash driver can arrive before 385 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: the police does. 386 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's honestly kind of funny. 387 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: So was there, Like, what tell tell me the story? 388 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 5: So basically, I was just in my area. I deliver 389 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 5: a lot of Chick fil A because that's what's most 390 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 5: popular here, and I went to go in and pick 391 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 5: it up, and I had I have to park in 392 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 5: like a parking lot that's like besides Chick fil A, 393 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 5: because it's just too busy to try to park in 394 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 5: the Chick fil A. So, you know, I pick it up, 395 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 5: I come back out and as I'm walking to my car, 396 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 5: you know, I'm kind of parked on the side of 397 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 5: a strip mall. And as I'm getting into my car, 398 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 5: I hear a series of pops in the distance, and 399 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 5: then I hear kind of like what sounds like a 400 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 5: rock being thrown against the side of like the building. 401 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 5: And I didn't really think much of it at the time. 402 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, you know, it's just someone with 403 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 5: their car, car exhausted in the distance. You know, it's 404 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 5: not that big a deal. And you know, I have 405 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 5: to drive across the street because I was delivering to 406 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 5: the mall. And as I pull up into the mall, 407 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 5: you know, I get the food. I start to walk in, 408 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 5: and there's a bunch of people out, you know, out 409 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 5: by the front being like, oh is it safe or whatever. 410 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 5: I'm like, why are they asking that? And then I 411 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 5: look over and there's a car with like a bullet 412 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 5: hole through the windshield, and there were security car security 413 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 5: guards outside like taking a bunch of notes and stuff. 414 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 5: And this lady comes up and she's like, Oh, no, 415 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 5: my shooting or my car has nothing to do with 416 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: your shooting. You know, this is from a different one 417 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: in a different town. I was like, wait, so she just. 418 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: Drove up to the shooting. She just drove up to 419 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: the shooting with a bullet hole in her car, just 420 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: from a different shooting. 421 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 5: From different instances. 422 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: Yes, where do you live, man? 423 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: I live. 424 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 5: It's a place called Rocky Mount, North Carolina. If anyone 425 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 5: knows North Carolina, my town is nicknamed Murder Mount. I mean, 426 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 5: there's a shooting that happens like every other day. 427 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: Wow. And I thought North Carolina was boring, not Rocky Mount. 428 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 5: Okay, So at this time, at this time, it's still 429 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 5: not you know, clicking in my head that uh, there's 430 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 5: a shooting that happened. And you know, I'm walking in, 431 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 5: a bunch of people are standing at the doors being like, 432 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 5: I'm not coming out. Do I know it's safe. I'm like, 433 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: what the world is happening? And I go in, I 434 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 5: deliver the food, I start to walk out, and then 435 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 5: I see like fifteen cop cars with all of their 436 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 5: lights on, just all over the parking lot and they 437 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: are like completely sectioning off a section of the parking lot. 438 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 5: As I'm walking out, they are doing it, and I'm like, 439 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 5: what the hell just happened? And I go and ask 440 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 5: someone next to me and they're like, oh, shooting just happened. 441 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 5: I was like just now and they're like yeah, So 442 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 5: I'm guessing that rock that I heard hit the side 443 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 5: of the building I was at was actually a bullet 444 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 5: that was flying over my head. 445 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Does this kind of thing happen to you often when 446 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: you are door dashing around? 447 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 6: Like? 448 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: Is do you just live in a generally unsafe area? 449 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 5: Well, I don't live here. I live in a different area. 450 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 5: I just come here for work. But some of these 451 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 5: things do happen. Yeah, because I was. There was another 452 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 5: instance of where I was going to the Walmart to 453 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 5: pick up an order and there was another shooting that 454 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 5: happened there, but the cops got there before I did 455 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 5: and completely sectioned off the parking lot so you could 456 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 5: not get in. And literally one stop light saved me, 457 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 5: because if I was like thirty seconds, you know, ahead 458 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 5: of where I was, I would have been in there 459 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 5: when they sectioned off the parking lot. 460 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: Oh and you would have just been stuck inside of 461 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: the parking lot. 462 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have been stuck inside the parking lot 463 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 5: because they didn't let anyone out of the parking lot 464 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 5: for like two hours. 465 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: Wait, So that doesn't make sense. And I don't know 466 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: if either of us are going to know what we're 467 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: talking about here, but if there's a like an active 468 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: shooter in a Walmart, why would they not let people 469 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: out of the parking lot. Is it because they're like 470 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: suspects or something. 471 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 5: I think that's what it was. I think they thought 472 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 5: that some that the shooter was still in the parking lot, 473 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 5: so they were trying to keep them from going away. 474 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 5: But they don't really take it too seriously because you know, 475 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 5: it happens like every other day, and they like to 476 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 5: say that it's a controlled shooting because they're not like 477 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 5: shooting random people. They're like people that are actually going for. 478 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: Do you get tipped, well. 479 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 5: Unfortunately no. I mean some warders are good, some warders 480 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 5: are also bad. I usually don't like to work after dark. 481 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I wouldn't too if I were yell. 482 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 5: There's also a bunch of crackheads in my area. There's 483 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 5: one he calls himself crackhead Joe. 484 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: Crackhead Joe. Have you spoken with him? 485 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 7: I have. 486 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 5: I've spoken with him on different occasions. One of them. 487 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 5: I didn't really talk to him in this instance, but 488 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 5: he was in the same restaurant I was picking up 489 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 5: from and this old lady came in to order and 490 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 5: he just kind of he looks at her, and then 491 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 5: he looks at me, and he looks back at her. 492 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 5: He goes, hey, man, do you know who I am? 493 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 5: She just looks at him and she goes, I don't 494 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 5: know who you are, sir, and he just yells, I'm 495 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 5: crackhead Joe. And then he runs out of the restaurant 496 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 5: and runs down the road. And I think that's the 497 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 5: last time I saw him. 498 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: Do you think there is like, I mean, do you 499 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: think there is some kind of clout to be gained 500 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: from being like the crackhead of the area that he 501 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: was kind of trying to capitalize on when he was 502 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: talking to that woman, And maybe that's what that was. 503 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 5: I mean, I think there could be some kind and 504 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 5: also maybe if he got on like social media, he 505 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 5: could have been like an influencer. But he was like 506 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 5: seventy years old. He might have been younger, but you know, 507 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 5: the crack kind of you know, accelerates in the aging process. 508 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: Well it's interesting because I think, you know, people in general, 509 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: it's it's people. There's a desire for an identity of 510 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: some kind, whatever that identity may be, and maybe he 511 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: was looking for it was like yeah, yeah, and he 512 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: was like this could be you know, everyone wants to 513 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: have a thing, like, you know, like I'm the gecko guy. 514 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: You know, some people are like, oh, I'm a skateboarder. 515 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: I love to see you know, I define myself by 516 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: skateboarding and crackhead Joe. I don't know. I don't know 517 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: crackhead Joe, and I wouldn't call him. It sounds to me, 518 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: I think it is offensive to call him crackhead Joe. 519 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: But I think it sounds to me like he like 520 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: that's what, that's what he denotes himself as that if 521 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: he's like if he if he calls himself that, I'm like, 522 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: all right, I'll, you know, call you whatever you want 523 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: me to call you. And it could be something that 524 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: pride out of. But I don't know. 525 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 5: Say that again, I said, is he is it really 526 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 5: offensive if he wants to be called it? I mean 527 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 5: it's kind of like, you know, like I'm trying to 528 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 5: think of another famous person like the Rock kind of 529 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 5: likes to be called the Rock, and crackhead Joe just 530 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 5: wants to be called crackhead Joe. 531 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad he found his land. 532 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, at least he's happy. 533 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: Well, we don't know that, but Brandon, is there anything 534 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: else you want to say to the people of the 535 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: computer before we go? 536 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 5: I guess just try to be safe and if you 537 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 5: hear something that she thinks of car exhausts, it may 538 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 5: not be a car exists. And they being activeputing. 539 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: We learned new things every day on the Therapy Gecko podcast. 540 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling man. 541 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 5: All right, thank you have a good day. 542 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, Hello, is this low? 543 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? Who's this? 544 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 6: This is Colin? 545 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: What's going on with you? Colin? 546 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 6: How much? How you doing? 547 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: Man? 548 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm a get go on the computer? 549 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 6: Yeah you are? 550 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Colin? So Colin, what's up? What? Why did 551 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: you call me? Why the fuck did you call me? Colin? 552 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: You tell me right now, You tell me right now 553 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: before I throw a fit. I'm pissed off, Colin. No, 554 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know why I 555 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: did any of that. Just now. What's going on? Conn 556 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: Tell me everything? Tell me nothing? 557 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 6: Well? 558 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 8: I called in because for like years now, I've had 559 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 8: this mindset where it's not to explain, but essentially, like 560 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 8: I'm in college right now, I'm neat a pretty good 561 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 8: amount of people, and I usually find myself judging them 562 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 8: pretty quick. But like and like, I know that's not 563 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 8: really good to do, but I find myself proving myself 564 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 8: right about judging them a lot. And so I'm in 565 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 8: this conflict of like, do I try and be upen 566 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 8: minded and then like end up proving myself right or 567 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 8: do I just stick with my judgments because usually I 568 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 8: feel like I don't know, Like I'll give an example, 569 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 8: I feel like I'm not explaining it poorly. 570 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: Yeah no, well no, no, no you're not. I don't think 571 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: you're an explain it for but I would love to 572 00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: hear the example. 573 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 8: So a common thing that I experienced is meeting a 574 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 8: lot of kids that were brought up really well and 575 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 8: like really fortunate with their circumstances, and like they're nice 576 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 8: and all, but I've learned like ninety nine percent of 577 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 8: the time, like I don't know, like they're gonna be 578 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 8: like rude or like they're gonna have some kind of 579 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 8: like glaring character flaw. Like I have a lot of 580 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 8: people who I was friends with and then you know, 581 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 8: I was hanging out with them and their friends and 582 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 8: then they treat you completely different. Or like I work 583 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 8: in the service industry and a lot of these people 584 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 8: will like treat me really badly just because like I'm working, 585 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 8: and so I find myself just in like normal day 586 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 8: to day meeting similar types of people, and I just 587 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 8: kind of like I don't really treat them like I'll 588 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 8: have any kind of friendship with them, Like I immediately 589 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 8: call it off in my head, okay, And when I 590 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 8: don't do that, I just find myself doing it anyways, 591 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 8: you know what I mean? 592 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 6: Does that make sense. 593 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: When you yeah, when you say that you judge people 594 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: a lot, I mean, what judgments are you typically making 595 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: about people? 596 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 8: Just that like there they'll be like a crummy person 597 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 8: or like selfish or like rude, like a lot of 598 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 8: like common negative character traits. If that makes sense. 599 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me think here, I do you talk, like 600 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: how soon into talking to people are you making these judgments? 601 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 8: Not like in five seconds? Probably, Like say I have 602 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 8: like a class with someone where we have a group project, 603 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 8: and I'll work with them for like forty five minutes, 604 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 8: for like an hour. Usually at some point in there, 605 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 8: like I find that like I can base off of 606 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 8: maybe how they present themselves or how they talk, or 607 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 8: how like they'll treat people in the group. But like 608 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 8: I can kind of gauge that they're this type of 609 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 8: person that I've described, and like I'll just kind of 610 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 8: calm off from there and like digest work with them 611 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 8: in that group project. 612 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 6: Okay, kind of display a lot of Yeah. 613 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have since thought I have some thoughts on this. 614 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: I think one of the one of the best things 615 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: I've ever heard. That was a lot one of the 616 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: best things I ever heard. It was a good thing 617 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's one of the best things 618 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: I've ever heard, But I heard this thing that someone said, 619 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: maybe it was Mark Manson or someone They were like, 620 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, uh, it is not people's job to present 621 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: all of their best, most interesting, wonderful qualities to you, 622 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: because that it's not in your control whether or not 623 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: they do that. It is your job to uh again, 624 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: in working with what is within your control, to find 625 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: uh and perceive the things about other people that are redeeming, 626 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: interesting and positive. So uh, it sounds to me like 627 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: you're approaching people with this inherent negative perspective of them 628 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: or like your you know, you know you ever heard 629 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: the term confirmation bias. 630 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 8: I can't say I have. 631 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: Actually, it's like it's like if you're talking, like if 632 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: you're in a group project some guy and you know 633 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: he's maybe he's wearing like a nice shirt. You're like, oh, 634 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: this guy's wearing a nice shirt, he must be an asshole. 635 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: You're now going out in your brain. You're now trying 636 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: actively to you're biasedly attempting to perceive things about him 637 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: that confirm your suspicion that he's an asshole. Does that 638 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: make sense? So if you were to just wipe your 639 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: brain blank, or if or even better, if you were 640 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: trying to approach the world in some sense of you know, 641 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: most people are good, most people do have redeeming qualities, 642 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: most people are acting kindly, most people This that whatever 643 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: positive things your confirmation bias would work, then the other way, 644 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: where you would actually go out of your way to 645 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: perceive things about people that confirm your bias, that you know, 646 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: they're nice or they are friendly, or whatever it is. 647 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: And the choice at the end of the day remainds 648 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: is yours as to how you want to see the 649 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: world and how you want to see you want to 650 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: see people, because so much of it is about like 651 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: the mindset, you know. And so if you decide not 652 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: even because you know, if you decide just because you 653 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: want to live in a better version of the world 654 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: where people are nice, you just decide that people are nice, 655 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: that people are a certain way, whether people are interesting 656 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: or the people have redeeming qualities, or that people are 657 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: just trying their best. And you go out in the 658 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 1: world and you are now perceiving things in a way 659 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: that are trying to confirm that bias. Uh, maybe you'll 660 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: you'll kind of solve this issue that you have of 661 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: judging people too fast. Does any of what I just 662 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: said make sense? 663 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 6: Yeah? 664 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's uh. I actually love that. That's extremely insightful. 665 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 8: I've never might be a surprise, but I've never really thought. 666 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 6: Of it like that. 667 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:36,879 Speaker 1: Okay, cool, good, good, Because here's the thing, the dude, 668 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. This is why I don't. I don't 669 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: like labels and I don't I think there is a 670 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: thing where we're villainizing people a lot, or we're saying, oh, 671 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: if you're this, then you're that, or just all all 672 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: this shit that is just a barrier against actually interacting 673 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: with people and finding common ground with them. And uh, 674 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a good thing to try 675 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: to get yourself out of, if that makes sense. 676 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, one hundred percent degree. I I realized that, 677 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 8: like it kind of comes off bad, but it's just 678 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 8: it's tough. Like I completely agree with you, but it's 679 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 8: always tough because like I'll try and like look for 680 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 8: the nice things and people, and like I still just 681 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 8: unfortunately end up like proving my judgments, right sure, yeah, 682 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 8: And it's just like a daily toss up in my 683 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 8: head because like I don't want to be that asshole 684 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 8: that like these a dude like driving a red Mercedes 685 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 8: and he's like a freshman in college and it's like 686 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 8: brand new, and it's like okay, obviously, like your parents 687 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 8: probably bought that for you, and like I try to 688 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 8: like look and be like okay, maybe like he's just 689 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 8: a really fortunate guy, but like he's really hard working 690 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 8: and like he's kindly nice, and like he might even 691 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 8: like help me in class. And then it's like nine 692 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 8: out ten times I'll like meet that guy and it's like, 693 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 8: oh no, yeah, he's actually an asshole. Sure yeah, And 694 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 8: I realized like just picturing like typical rich kid, but 695 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,760 Speaker 8: it's it's like that with a lot of different people. 696 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: Well, I think, well, first of all, none of what 697 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: I'm saying means you have to be friends with anyone 698 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: or that you have to spend time with anyone that 699 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: you don't want to spend time with. I understand, you know, 700 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: if you if you're spending if you're talking to this 701 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: guy and he's you know, treating you in a way 702 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: where it's like I don't think I want to be 703 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: friends with this guy, or I don't think I want 704 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: to spend time with this guy totally don't spend time 705 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: with him or try to be friends with him in 706 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: order to, like, you know, prove some hippie kumbay a 707 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: piece thing. But in defense of the hippie kumbay a 708 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: piece thing, I would say that, And I'm this is 709 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,919 Speaker 1: all stuff that like I'm trying to ascribe to myself 710 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: and don't do a perfect job of. So I hope 711 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: I don't sound like you know, I've I've mastered this 712 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: way of thinking, because it's just kind of a recreational 713 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: philosophy shit that I'm sure I contradict myself in my 714 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,439 Speaker 1: actions a lot all the time. But I mean, there's 715 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: there's a thousand things about this guy driving the Mercedes 716 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: that you don't know. You don't really know what his 717 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: relationship with his family is, like, you don't really know 718 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 1: what it was like growing up for him. You don't 719 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: know if he's happy, you don't know what his problems 720 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,280 Speaker 1: that you don't like. You just you don't know anything. 721 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: And that and that doesn't mean that every you know, 722 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: rich kid driving a Mercedes is secretly this you know, 723 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: troubled child. But it doesn't it doesn't mean anything. All 724 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: it means is that you don't know, and so if 725 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 1: you don't know, you cannot make the judgment. 726 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you said, but I don't know. 727 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: If you become friends with the kid, maybe he'll let 728 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: you drive in his Mercedes and that would be kind 729 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: of cool. So maybe you should be friends with him, 730 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 1: or maybe he'll give you some money? 731 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 6: True? True? 732 00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 2: Uh? 733 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: Is anything? Oh no, please please, I want to hear 734 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: your thoughts. 735 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 8: I was I was just going to kind of agree 736 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 8: with your point of like it's tough to be perfect 737 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 8: about and and like, obviously you should jump the conclusions 738 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 8: with people. But I think I agree with you. I 739 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 8: think even if I prove myself right, it's probably worth 740 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,240 Speaker 8: it to look for the good things and people. 741 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And again, you know, if you're talking to 742 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: a guy and he's like just being an asshole to you, 743 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to be his best friend. Doesn't 744 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: mean you have to I mean, you don't have to 745 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: do any of the shit. But for your own personal sake, 746 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: of your own personal peace, I think you might be 747 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: better off just understanding that you don't know anything about him. Really. 748 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a much better way to 749 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 8: stick by it. 750 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 6: That's a much better. 751 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: Mindset, Colin, Is there anything else you want to say 752 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: to me or the people of the computer or God 753 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: or SpongeBob before we go? 754 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's completely unrelated. But I'm in the process of 755 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 8: kind of working on a business right now and it's 756 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 8: really thrilling and I'm very passionate about it. So if 757 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 8: you have a dream that you'd like to chase, you 758 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 8: should for sure chase it. 759 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: I like that. Thanks for calling Colin. 760 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 6: Thanks for picking up how to go Man. 761 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: Man, all those business kids, sure our assholes, aren't they? 762 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 8: Now? 763 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, Calm, Colin's con seems like a nice guy. 764 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: But I don't know that either. You could say, Look, 765 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,080 Speaker 1: you could say the same thing about positive judgments, to 766 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: be honest, not that I'm thinking about it, Like you know, 767 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: say someone's being all nice and shit, you don't know 768 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: what is going on with them. I don't know. I 769 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: think that's the point of this whole cause I don't know. 770 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling, Calm. Hello, Hello, Hi, what's up? 771 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,400 Speaker 1: How can I get you today? 772 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 2: Well? 773 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,919 Speaker 3: I told Stage two different things. I don't know which 774 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 3: one she thought was more interesting. 775 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: Uh, well, forget about that. I'm forget about what you 776 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: told anyone what as you are on the phone with 777 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: me in this moment, do you desire to talk about? 778 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,360 Speaker 3: Well, man, I guess kind of fresh on my mind. 779 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,840 Speaker 3: Yesterday found out one of my friends died. 780 00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that died a couple of weeks ago. 781 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 3: I didn't know about it. 782 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: You just found out yesterday and it happened a couple 783 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. 784 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Well, I didn't know the very well. He 785 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,720 Speaker 3: do you play D and D Dungeons and Dragon. 786 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't play it myself, but I know what it is. 787 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 3: Okay, So he was he was a group of my 788 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 3: friends DM, so he like ran the game, and he 789 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 3: only played like three or four times. So I didn't 790 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,200 Speaker 3: know him very well. But he stopped responding to our 791 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 3: messages in our Discord chat. It's been like a month, 792 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 3: so I thought he just didn't want to play anymore, 793 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,520 Speaker 3: and he's just kind of ghosting us, you know. I 794 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,799 Speaker 3: just assumed that he was like being an asshole. But 795 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 3: then I got a message on Discord claiming from his 796 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 3: brother that he was dead. But like, he didn't use 797 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 3: his real name, he used his Discord name, so I 798 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,919 Speaker 3: just assumed he was lying. And and then I woke 799 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,880 Speaker 3: up his name and and find his obituary and he 800 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 3: died like he died on campus, like in the engineering building. 801 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: He died on the campus that you you go to 802 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: college on. 803 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:05,919 Speaker 6: Yeah. 804 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, were you close with this guy at all? I 805 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,759 Speaker 1: know you said you only played with him a couple 806 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 1: of times, but I mean, did you have any kind 807 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: of like relationship. 808 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 3: I met him like four times just to play D 809 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 3: and D I extent I knew of him with his 810 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,919 Speaker 3: first name. So it is kind of weird. 811 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: Okay, this seems to be and it could be in 812 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,800 Speaker 1: a personal sense, it could be in a existential sense, 813 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,680 Speaker 1: it could be in any kind of sense, but this 814 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:43,160 Speaker 1: does seem as though it's affecting you in some way. Yeah, 815 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 1: how are you feeling about him? 816 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 3: I feel really bad for assuming that he was being 817 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 3: an asshole when he was dead. 818 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 7: M hm hm. 819 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 3: And so I got like I was talking about it 820 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 3: in class because I didn't see the text until yesterday morning, 821 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,040 Speaker 3: and I was in the middle of class, so I 822 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 3: was telling people about it, and then like the whole 823 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,400 Speaker 3: class got involved, and they're like, dude, what if this 824 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 3: guy's actually dead? And then I find out he's dead 825 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, man, you're a horrible person because 826 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,520 Speaker 3: I didn't believe it, and I just feel really bad 827 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 3: about it. 828 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,320 Speaker 1: Your classmates told you that you're a horrible person. 829 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I just I thought he was making it up. Like, 830 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 3: how am I supposed to expect someone who hasn't message 831 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 3: in a month, is uh, you know, dead and not 832 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 3: just ghosting us. 833 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: No, there's no room to assume anything or not assume 834 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: anything that didn't make sense. There's no room to assume anything. Yeah, 835 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,640 Speaker 1: do you why do you? 836 00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:54,840 Speaker 6: Do? 837 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: You feel like a horrible person. 838 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,040 Speaker 4: A little bit? 839 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 3: I feel bad about it? 840 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: M hm, Well, I mean, listen, man, I don't think 841 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: that it was of you to be able to assume 842 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 1: that he was dead, right, and also the idea that 843 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: you know he was ghosting you and that you were 844 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: upset by that, that's an idea that comes from wanting 845 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: to hang out with him, which is a good thing. 846 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: So no, I don't think that makes you a horrible person. 847 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just yeah, I mean, you can't expect to 848 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 3: do his own nineteen. Yeah, you can't just like assume 849 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 3: people are dying when they don't answer. 850 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,399 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 851 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: How Uh, Now you have friends who are friends with 852 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: this guy. You have mutual friends with him? 853 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? 854 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, other powers in their. 855 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: D and D session, And how have they reacted to this? 856 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 3: They didn't believe it either until we found the obituary 857 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 3: for this dude. 858 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:25,800 Speaker 1: Do we know how he died? 859 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 3: The bituary said breathing problems, like he had trouble breathing. 860 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:36,760 Speaker 3: You know that could be anything. 861 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: H m hm. How are you feeling talking about this? 862 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: You sound you sound upset. 863 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's kind of put 864 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,279 Speaker 3: in perspective. Some of my my other friends have been 865 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 3: trying to catch up with him, because you know, all 866 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 3: these people I haven't talked to in months. You know, 867 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 3: I don't know what's on none of them either. 868 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: Interesting. Tell me more about that, this perspective that it's 869 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: given you on other things. 870 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess. I guess I want to make sure 871 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:21,000 Speaker 3: my other friends are dead. You know, it's not something 872 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,719 Speaker 3: I ever thought about. I've never had like a like 873 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,160 Speaker 3: a close family member die, so I don't really know 874 00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,720 Speaker 3: how to. 875 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 4: Deal with death. 876 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: M So this is making you want to reach out 877 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:39,760 Speaker 1: to other friends that you haven't spoken with in a while. Yeah, Okay, 878 00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 1: I think that's a I think that's a good takeaway 879 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,839 Speaker 1: from this. You know, it's obviously very sad, but I'm 880 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad that it's given you a sort of awareness 881 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: of the fragility of your relationships, you know, because you 882 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,680 Speaker 1: really do never know when a person you ever talked 883 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 1: to in a while, whether whether they are AFK or 884 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, if they if they're gone. 885 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:21,440 Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, I don't know. 886 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 1: What's your name again, Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. I'm sorry to 887 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 1: hear about your friend, man, thank you for calling. 888 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 4: Daniel, Yeah, thank you. 889 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:43,640 Speaker 1: I like Daniel. He's a nice guy. I hope that 890 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,080 Speaker 1: that was sad to hear about his friend. I do hope. 891 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,520 Speaker 1: I hope it inspires him to, yeah, to wanna catch 892 00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: up with old friends. Now I'm thinking about my old 893 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,319 Speaker 1: friends that I haven't seen in a long time, and 894 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: how Yeah, it's weird. Anything could happen. Check up on 895 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,279 Speaker 1: your homies, man, check up on your homies. You never 896 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: know what's going on. You can never really assume anything. 897 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,800 Speaker 1: That's another that's a this is I guess a lesson 898 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,960 Speaker 1: an assumption perhaps could be and to not do it. 899 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 2: The kid goes on the line taking your phone calls 900 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 2: every night. 901 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,879 Speaker 7: Never be Kid goes to What a Ride. 902 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 8: He's teaching you Cloud in the Memorial Life. 903 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,680 Speaker 1: But he's not really an expert.