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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bat You're Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena.

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Speaker 1: And we are here finally with the lovely couple from

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Speaker 1: the Golden Bachelorette. Joan and Chock are both with us today.

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Speaker 1: Welcome guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh, how are you hi on this podcast?

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Speaker 1: Nice to have you. How's everybody? How you guys feeling?

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Speaker 1: How are we feeling today? Feeling good?

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Speaker 3: Oh? So good? Finally like we're real people out in

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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very happy. Just it's been a long time coming,

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Speaker 4: but we are here.

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Speaker 2: I know it probably feels like forever.

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Speaker 5: I feel like this is always the most exciting time

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Speaker 5: when it's all said and done and you can be

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Speaker 5: out in the world together and proudly show each other off.

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Speaker 5: How hard is it to keep this a secret the

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Speaker 5: past few months?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hard. You know, our families know, so that's

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Speaker 3: been fun. So they've kind of gotten to know each other.

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Speaker 3: But you know, most of our friends other than like

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Speaker 3: a you know, the few that you trust. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: here's my ring.

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Speaker 2: I just got there.

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Speaker 4: We go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been hard, but you know what, there is

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Speaker 3: a little element that I was as I was getting

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Speaker 3: in my car to come back to la yesterday morning,

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Speaker 3: Like there was a part of me I thought, you know,

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Speaker 3: I actually love living in this kind of bubble right

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Speaker 3: now because it just is so pure. It's just the

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Speaker 3: two of us. There's no outside noise, and you know,

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Speaker 3: you know how people can be, you know, they could

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Speaker 3: be critical of our relationship, and I just love like

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Speaker 3: feeling that I don't have to worry about that and

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Speaker 3: we just get to be us and happy.

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Speaker 1: Joan, how do you feel? We'll start with you? How

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Speaker 1: do you feel now that your journey is complete? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a ton of emotions from you. We know

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Speaker 1: you know it can't be easy, especially at the end.

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Speaker 1: There's multiple guys there, you have strong feelings for multiple people.

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Speaker 1: How does it feel that it's all finally finished.

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Speaker 2: Your journey has come to a close.

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Speaker 4: I thought I was the only guy.

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Speaker 3: Multiple Well now you are. You are now, so I

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Speaker 3: think that, like you said, there was multiple emotions. I

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Speaker 3: came into this like really enthusiastic and thought I was

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Speaker 3: ready and this is just going to be, you know,

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Speaker 3: an easy, fun journey, and then about midway it became

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Speaker 3: really really hard and so difficult, and I wasn't as

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Speaker 3: you know, enthusiastic and wasn't feeling as positive. And then

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Speaker 3: as we got to the end, it became pure joy

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Speaker 3: because I knew I had my person here and that's

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Speaker 3: where I am now.

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Speaker 1: It's just pure joy chock at the end when when

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Speaker 1: you guys get engaged and you know, after all said

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Speaker 1: and that, and the producers kind of step away and

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Speaker 1: you guys have like that first moment to yourselves not

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Speaker 1: was that moment? What was that?

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Speaker 4: Like, there's there's a there's a good story with that.

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Speaker 4: We go back to the cruise ship, which was just incredible.

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Speaker 4: They go into Jones room and we sit down next

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Speaker 4: to each other and I look at it and I go,

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Speaker 4: all right, tell me about yourself. It was just real

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Speaker 4: because we did have a lot of time. The cameras

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Speaker 4: don't show all the time that we had together, but

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Speaker 4: you're living in a bubble and it's fast tracked. But

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Speaker 4: I mean, we had from a compatibility and from just

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Speaker 4: a really attraction and love for each other. It just

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Speaker 4: started instantly and we have We've been very fortunate since

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Speaker 4: the day we left the cruise ship left to heating.

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Speaker 4: We have talked at least three times a day every day.

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Speaker 4: We've not missed a day, and it's just been fantastic

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Speaker 4: to have that attraction to make the commitment, but then

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Speaker 4: time together and we're incredibly compatible. I've just been so

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Speaker 4: surprised about this. It's been it's like we've been married

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Speaker 4: for five or ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's been really easy. Yeah. It was funny though. That

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Speaker 3: first day I walk in the room. He has a

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Speaker 3: guys know you've done it before. You have the like

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Speaker 3: what's your dog's name and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So we literally sat there for like five hours and

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Speaker 3: We matched on, we matched on our values and you know,

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Speaker 3: the things that we want out of life. But we

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know our dog's name.

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Speaker 3: You did it all my kids names and I have.

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Speaker 4: My mother was a physician and she had one of

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Speaker 4: the most incredible memories and I got a good part

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Speaker 4: of that from her. But I was read I'd never

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Speaker 4: watched a Bachelor episode, not one of them, prior to

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Speaker 4: they go, that's fine. I wanted it to be fresh,

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Speaker 4: and I wanted everything to be new to me. Well,

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Speaker 4: I was reading up on Joan and it just took

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Speaker 4: me one article and I was able to memorize all

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Speaker 4: the kids' names, her mother's name or mother in law's name,

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Speaker 4: natural for me because when we're talking and something that

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Speaker 4: And I'm in the insurance business too, And she said Nick,

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Speaker 4: and she was saying about his job, and I go, yeah,

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Speaker 4: just read one article and I was able to remember that, Wow.

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Speaker 2: You did your homework.

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Speaker 5: I know when Joe and I first had that moment

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Speaker 5: like opened two beers and our conversation was very much

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Speaker 5: like Okay, it's done, Like oh my gosh, what don't

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Speaker 5: we just go through like this sense of like, well

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Speaker 5: you been through this. It's no I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 5: we've been through this unreal life changing process. Was there

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Speaker 5: any of that of like, let's just talk about everything

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Speaker 5: that just happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, what was.

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Speaker 4: Really cool about the fantasy is we just had an

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Speaker 4: we had talked before a little bit off camera. They

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Speaker 4: were able to talk about a lot of different things,

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Speaker 4: and we stayed up till it was in the middle

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was three or four am.

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Speaker 4: And then because we didn't have a bedroom, I had

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Speaker 4: It was funny, but just you know, the communication and

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Speaker 4: we're just so much alike. It's just we're very blessed

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Speaker 4: thing that I do want to mention is when you

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Speaker 4: know you've got the right person. The day that we

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Speaker 4: I mean it was just this weird feeling if she's

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Speaker 4: to our world, our lives, and I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: That's that's when you know you've got the right person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good sign. Chuck. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: never watching the show Joan, you've kind of been in

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Speaker 1: this world now for a minut it, Chuck. When you

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Speaker 1: But the show hasn't airred yet, and there's there's so

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Speaker 1: much you can't even really talk about. Was there anyone

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Speaker 4: Well, we put a group text together with all the guys,

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Speaker 4: fourteen to fifteen of us. You know, the guys that

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Speaker 4: they didn't have the opportunity to go to those next levels.

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Speaker 4: And we have communicated on that so much and we

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Speaker 4: keep in contact and the great friendships. I've talked to

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Speaker 4: The relationships that we've been able to form are just incredible.

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Speaker 4: And I got to tell you Keith is he is

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Speaker 5: and he's got such great energy.

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Speaker 5: it ended an engagement? And when you found out about

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Speaker 5: the engagement. Was that something that you saw yourself being

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Speaker 4: Okay, very good question, and I will tell you. Once

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Speaker 4: I got to the Bachelor Mansion, I didn't need to

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Speaker 4: know anything because Keith is a walking insight his daughters,

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Speaker 4: so he was just filling me in. And there's a

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Speaker 4: funny joke. I didn't even know what the Golden Rose was.

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Speaker 4: to not be you know, calculated or thinking through it

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Speaker 4: know if they were able to show the whole you know,

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Speaker 4: interlude with these other gentlemen, but you know, very happy

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Speaker 4: how it turned out. And what was the second part

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Speaker 4: of your question. I'm sorry, Oh, the engagement.

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Speaker 3: It's avoiding that. I feel like I do a thing.

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Speaker 4: It's called self check, and I've done this my whole life,

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Speaker 4: and it's when I look in the mirror and I

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Speaker 4: and I go, are you okay with this? And the

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also all about communication as well. Like you

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Speaker 4: And the hometown wasn't built on that. It wasn't that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I feel like moments like that help you

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Speaker 4: And if I can't you're on this topic. I was very,

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Speaker 4: asked for more.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

440
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Speaker 5: How did it feel going back into the mansion? You know,

441
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 5: you've just gone through a really hard time, losing your mom,

442
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Speaker 5: You're leaving your family to go back on the show.

443
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Speaker 2: What were those emotions?

444
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Speaker 4: Like? It was all about Joan. If I hadn't connected

445
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,119
Speaker 4: with Joan, I wouldn't have come back. Yeah. It just

446
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 4: it's that plain and simple. And I was, you know,

447
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 4: I came back to see where this journey was going

448
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 4: to go, and I'm glad I did. I had time.

449
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 4: And the thing was is, I tried to get my

450
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Speaker 4: mother to move back to Witchdal She was raised there.

451
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Speaker 4: She lived in Oregon, out in the country, just loved it,

452
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 4: and that's where she wanted to pass This was stage

453
00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 4: poor terminal cancer. We all knew it was going to happen,

454
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 4: but her wish was to pass away in her home.

455
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Speaker 4: So doing that and then sitting there with George to

456
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 4: make sure that he's okay. And I've actually just was

457
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 4: out to see him a week or two ago. My

458
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 4: brother and I went out there helped him move some stuff.

459
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 4: You know, he's doing great, he's mobile. But coming back,

460
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 4: I sat there and I go, my mother told me

461
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 4: before I went on the show, she goes, go do this,

462
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 4: and we actually have it on film and she goes,

463
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 4: go do it. Go live your life, and so that

464
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 4: that's what I was thinking, is she wanted me to

465
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 4: do this, And then I've got this incredible person that

466
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 4: if I don't get back on that plane and go

467
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 4: to LA it's probably it won't ever happen.

468
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joan, did you know how strong Chock's feelings were

469
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: for you before he left?

470
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Speaker 3: So I knew that we had like this really good

471
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 3: connection because our date or does a land date, was

472
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 3: like pretty incredible. We just flowed so easily right from

473
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Speaker 3: the start, and I knew that we were good, I

474
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 3: didn't know how good. And so, you know, I left

475
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: the Golden Bachelor like in similar circumstances. My family needed me,

476
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: and I had planned on coming back and never was

477
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 3: able to. So when he left and said, and he

478
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 3: kept saying to me, I promise him coming back, I

479
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 3: promise him coming back, And you know, kind of that

480
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: point was the first time that we've really had like

481
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 3: like that intimate hug that lasts for like thirty seconds.

482
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: You know that one is that neither one of you

483
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 3: wants to let go. So when he left, I felt

484
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 3: like he was like he was planning on coming back.

485
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 3: This was the truth, but I didn't know what he

486
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 3: was going to find on the other end, and that

487
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 3: he could end up in Oregon and things could not

488
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: be as good as he thought they would be, and

489
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 3: they were going to need him. And I knew the

490
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 3: type of person he was, and if they needed him,

491
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have come back. So I got really nervous.

492
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 3: And that's when I figured out how strong my feelings

493
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 3: were for him, because I kept thinking, if he doesn't

494
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: come back, I'm not going to be able to finish this,

495
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: Like there's going to be a huge question mark that,

496
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 3: you know, going unanswered. Won't let me move forward with

497
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 3: somebody else. So yeah, this was that was a pivotal

498
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Speaker 3: moment in our relationship.

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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, yeah, I thank god he came back. He

500
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: could have ended up with like Keith or something.

501
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 4: The guys there would a brother in law.

502
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: Question right now if.

503
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Speaker 4: I was younger the uncle, because he would be he

504
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 4: is so much fun.

505
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Speaker 1: Let's cut to uh, yeah, let's let's move over to

506
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Speaker 1: the finale, Joan Chok meets your kids for the first time.

507
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: Everything seems to go as smooth as it could go.

508
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: After he leaves, what's the conversation between you and your kids.

509
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: My kids thought it was so obvious that he was

510
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: the person that they literally said, they'd never seen me

511
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: look Haavier that it been so many years, Like we

512
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: had so many years of you know, John was dying

513
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: for two years and they passed away, and three years

514
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 3: of that, and you know it was during COVID, our

515
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: business failed. We just had had a lot of really

516
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 3: hard times all in like a like five year period,

517
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Speaker 3: and I was just like just plain happy, just plain

518
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 3: and simple, like life was good again. It just felt good.

519
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 3: I had my person and they could just see it

520
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 3: on my face. And then they you know, got to

521
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: talk to him, and you know, I think at the

522
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: end of the day we were all good. There was

523
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 3: you know, there was no need to go any farther.

524
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: We were, we were done.

525
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

526
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, after the date, by May, we all went out

527
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: to dinner. Yeah. It was you know, Joe's like, a's

528
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 4: cool if we go with my family going Absolutely that's

529
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 4: a big part of who we are as our family

530
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 4: and friends. Yeah.

531
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, going into that day before they met Chalk, did

532
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 5: they have any nerves or skepticism about the process or

533
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 5: just you know, seeing you in a new relationship, or

534
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 5: were they really.

535
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: Open minded to everything.

536
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,959
Speaker 3: So I wasn't actually able to talk to them until

537
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: he and I actually saw them. So from the time

538
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: I had been home until getting you know that we

539
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 3: actually walked in and saw them sitting there, you know,

540
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: on the show, ready to talk to us. I hadn't

541
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: spoken to him. But you know, going into this whole journey,

542
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: they you know, they wanted me to be happy, and

543
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: they knew that I was really serious. This was I

544
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: felt like this was a really unique opportunity to find

545
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: somebody that I was never going to have this kind

546
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: of chance again. And you know, I had done dating.

547
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 3: I had dated people, and I had tried it in

548
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: all the various ways you can date these days, and

549
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: none of it had been really successful. So I know

550
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: that they would if they saw that I was happy,

551
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: they were going to be really open to the person

552
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: that I had met because they wanted it to turn

553
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: out well for me.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

555
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Speaker 1: How are you both feeling on that final date, knowing

556
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: that that was your final date? Yeah?

557
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 4: How about you. Oh, I was ready to go. The

558
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 4: only thing was that we went over. We took these

559
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 4: little motor yachts over to this private island and it

560
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: was just absolutely gorgeous to heit. He It's just it's

561
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 4: like no other place in the world. And we get

562
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: on the island and we do a little photo opportunity,

563
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 4: and then we're walking around and I'm working on my

564
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 4: proposal and the producer I'm working with, I go, well,

565
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 4: if I don't get this right, can I do a retake?

566
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 4: And he goes, absolutely not. And so that's the only

567
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 4: time I'm like, don't mess it up, don't mess it up.

568
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: But it's tough. But seeing Joan walking around the corner

569
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Speaker 4: and she was standing on the north end of this island,

570
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 4: she looked absolutely gorgeous and I was just, you know,

571
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: I was like, again, I'm the luckiest guy. And it

572
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: just went easy, it really did. And the surprise of

573
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: her kids being there after the engagement, after the acceptance

574
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 4: was just It's one of those moments you'll remember. And

575
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 4: the kids were so happy. I shouldn't say kids, they're

576
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 4: young adults, but they were very happy for John. It

577
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 4: was just a great moment.

578
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: So The interaction their date before like our last one

579
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 3: where I got to go to see him for the

580
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: one last time, was kind of like a full circuit

581
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: moment because we had both in a weird conversation that

582
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 3: we didn't have on camera, which is very rarely happens.

583
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: He said, you know, I've always wanted to live in

584
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: New York City and I was like me too, and

585
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 3: so at that. You know, on our date, he gave

586
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 3: me this like incredible gift which was a key, and

587
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: it was just a symbolic key, and he said, you know,

588
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: I want us to get a place in New York

589
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: City together. So we are actually leaving on Friday to

590
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: go to New York and we're spending a few days there.

591
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: We're going to spend a day looking and then we're

592
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: going to spend a bunch of time around the holidays

593
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: there to fund an apartment.

594
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so I have a lot of New York questions

595
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: for you guys, but that seems to be the perfect

596
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: place to wrap part one of this episode. So we

597
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: are gonna wrap it up right here. Joan Chalk, thank

598
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Speaker 1: you so much, and we can't wait. I can't wait

599
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Speaker 1: to get into more with you. Guys come part two,

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Speaker 1: so everyone make sure you stay tuned in and download

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Speaker 1: and subscribe.

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Speaker 5: Bat you happy, y'all, Thanks for listening, Bye bud Oh