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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Friday. Oh all week.

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Speaker 1: I've said, Betty, under take the points.

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Speaker 3: Have I changed my mind?

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Speaker 1: Did I have an epiphany last night after another lousy

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Speaker 1: night of sleep in Los Angeles? It's the Herd wherever

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Speaker 1: you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: making us part of your day. I've got two strong

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Speaker 1: takes this morning I've got to start the show with.

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Speaker 1: And the first one is Matt Stafford won MVP last

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Speaker 1: night by a vote vote over Drake May. I would

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Speaker 1: have voted Matt Stafford. Both are excellent. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it would have been difficult for me to make the decision.

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Speaker 1: And here's why, because there's one thing that's not discussed

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Speaker 1: about Matt Stafford. So Drake May led the NFL in

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Speaker 1: scrambles clear advantage over Stafford. But Stafford dominated him in

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Speaker 1: so many other important things, like Stafford had twice as

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Speaker 1: many what they call big time throws. Stafford also faced

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks defense twice right, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: did very well against the Seattle defense. Stafford played a

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Speaker 1: much better schedule. Stafford had fewer what they call quarterback miscues, sacks, fumbles, interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Stafford had thirty eight. May had sixty three. So Drake

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Speaker 1: actually led the NFL in fumbles. So you got more

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Speaker 1: big plays, you got fewer mistakes, but that's and more

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Speaker 1: touchdown passes, but you don't get the mobility. But to me,

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Speaker 1: here's really the difference between the two. There is a

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Speaker 1: reason in this country you cannot be president until you're

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Speaker 1: thirty five. Matt Stafford understands the why on every play.

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Speaker 1: Drake May is twenty three. He's still trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out the what it's like great parenting. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to save your kids. If you're a great parent, you

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Speaker 1: don't put them in positions to be saved. Great presidents

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Speaker 1: are like that. Matt Stafford's like that. He's a Jedi

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Speaker 1: master with the Lion of scrimmage. You ever watch how

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Speaker 1: often the rams go to the line of scrimmage, and

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Speaker 1: he's changing plays, he's getting you out of trouble, he's

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Speaker 1: getting you into yards. Drake May can't do that. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it's the fact that Stafford's got four daughters, he's

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Speaker 1: been married for years. But there is a calmness and

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Speaker 1: a maturity and an eq I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford has more fourth quarter comeback wins than Drake

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Speaker 1: mayhas career starts. He's attempted eighty eight hundred passes. Drake

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Speaker 1: May's at eight hundred. They're just different people life experience.

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Speaker 1: We won't let you be president into your mid thirties,

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Speaker 1: and I'd suggest we go to forty. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: getting tired of the seventy and eighties. But there's a

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Speaker 1: reason we have that. And so it's not just that

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Speaker 1: I get more big plays because you can argue, well,

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Speaker 1: you got Devonte Adams, you got Poka Nakua, you got

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Speaker 1: all those tight ends. Although I would argue New England's

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Speaker 1: receiving corps is really deep and Hunter Henry's excellent. The

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Speaker 1: Rams do have a better offensive line, but it comes

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Speaker 1: down to the maturity and the seasoning, and parents don't

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Speaker 1: get credit for keeping their kids out of trouble so

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Speaker 1: they don't have to save them. And Stafford does that

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Speaker 1: as well as anybody in the NFL. This week, I

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Speaker 1: had Tom Brady on the show and weren't even talking

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Speaker 1: MVP debate, and he just randomly brought up Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 4: When you have a very highly intellectual quarterback, let's look

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Speaker 4: at Matt Stafford, who's going to probably win MVP.

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Speaker 3: That's how he walks to the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 4: Now he's got seventeen years of wisdom, he can now say, great,

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Speaker 4: there's a very high percentage chance that this play is

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Speaker 3: Let's run it.

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Speaker 4: That's how you continue to take growth as a quarterback

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Speaker 4: and level up every single year because the processing amount

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Speaker 4: get better as you get older.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I think you.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you have an older brother and a

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Speaker 1: you'll get it later. Don't worry, Aboudy, You're going to

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Speaker 1: understand it years from now. Drake May is still trying

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Speaker 1: the what Matt Stafford's like within seconds understands the why.

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Speaker 1: And if you'll watch Stafford every snap and I did,

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Speaker 1: given out awards, NFL honors, and people are really incensed

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Speaker 1: this week. It's you don't get people to join forces

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Speaker 1: very often. Everybody's doing their own thing in America, but

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Speaker 3: So I just want to close this matter. Okay.

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Speaker 1: First of all, let's talk Hall of the Basketball Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Let's in officials and Meadow Larklemon his commitment

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Speaker 1: and confetti got him in. The baseball Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: The NFL Hall of Fame outrageously and agregiously for one.

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Speaker 3: Year made Belichick. Wait and people are losing there.

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Speaker 1: You know what Spygate one, Spygate two, first round pick,

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Speaker 1: third round pick, fines taken away forty winning percentage without Brady.

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Speaker 3: Can we take a deep breath? Can we take a

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Speaker 3: deep breath?

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fames are museums, so they serve primarily three functions.

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Speaker 1: Number one, their field trips for kids. They're away to

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Speaker 1: burn a day if you're a senior, and it's where

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Speaker 1: guys take their girlfriend to make them feel that they're

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Speaker 1: more sophisticated. That's the majority of people that go to

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Speaker 1: museums field trips. Bernadette is an eighty year old or

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Speaker 1: impressure girlfriend something to remember, you get in or you don't.

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Speaker 1: You get a jacket or you don't. The Louver opened

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Speaker 1: in seventeen ninety three. Mona Lisa did not get in

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Speaker 1: until seventeen ninety seven. She did not get in. Yeah, nobody.

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Speaker 1: Ten million people a year go to the Louver and

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Speaker 1: look at the Mona Lisa. Not one of them has

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Speaker 1: ever said, you know, she wasn't first ballot. Nobody's ever

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Speaker 1: said that, by the way, why not she was bad

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Speaker 1: with the press, and if you take da Vinci out,

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Speaker 1: very thin resume. But in the end, you can't tell

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Speaker 1: the story of the Italian Renaissance without her. So she

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Speaker 1: got the jacket. Nobody cares, and that love is more

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Speaker 1: important than the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Globally, nobody's

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Speaker 1: asking when Luke Keithley got in last night? Awesome, awesome,

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Speaker 1: one of the great guys ever, one of the great

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Speaker 1: linebackers ever. Twenty years from now, Nobody's asking.

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Speaker 3: When did he get in?

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Speaker 1: I get more worked up that Green Day got in

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Speaker 1: before Pearl Jam and bon Jovi. I'm still pissed about that.

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Speaker 3: That's what works me up. But if Mona Lisa four

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Speaker 3: years outrageous, spy.

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Speaker 1: Day, one spy date, two, multiple fines, two million dollars

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Speaker 1: in fines, take it away, first round picks, third round picks,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry Jimmy Johnson without Troy Aikman and then

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Speaker 1: old Dan Marino still won fifty eight percent of his games.

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Speaker 3: You take out Brady Coo.

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Speaker 1: Look at the resume, the winning percentage of Jerry Glanville,

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Speaker 1: funny guy, not a great football coach. So can we

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Speaker 1: all take a deep breath. Just take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: You get a jacket or you don't. You get in

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Speaker 1: or you don't. You don't get everything in life. And

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Speaker 1: if you are viewed as somebody and I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is even disputable, that kind of pushed the envelope

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Speaker 1: with the rules calling everybody did it? Next time, next

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Speaker 1: time you get audited, tell the IRS agent that everybody

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna work. I said it earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: You get pulled over by law enforcement after a couple

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Speaker 1: of beers, Hey, everybody else, here's a little sauce too.

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Speaker 3: That's not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: There is a tax and a price to pay if

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Speaker 1: you are seeing regardless of the number of trophies, if

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Speaker 1: you were fine multiple times, if they he took away

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Speaker 3: A year.

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Speaker 1: The Pro Football Hall of Fame. The headline this morning

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Speaker 1: was has this forever tarnished the football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know where the hockey Hall of Fame is.

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds and Pete Rose aren't in the baseball Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. And they led an officials to the basketball

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Football Hall of Fame is just fine.

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Speaker 1: Mona Lisa got the gold jacket. She got the jacket,

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Speaker 1: she's in j Mac. I'm glad I put a bow

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Speaker 1: on that. Wow. So all week, all week, I've said

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Speaker 1: than the offenses. It's unbelievable coaching. Vrabel and Josh McDaniel

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Speaker 1: have a huge advantage, and I still think they do something. Though,

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Speaker 1: on a deeper dive, there is something that I literally

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Speaker 3: I struggled. Now, I've slept poorly all week.

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Speaker 5: Well, listen, that happens when you're living it up out

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Speaker 6: But hey, I quick question on the Mona Lisa.

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Speaker 5: Did the Mona Lisa hold Sean mcvay's offense to three

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Speaker 5: points in a Super Bowl? Could the Mona Lisa have

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Speaker 5: done that? We had the slot receiver because of Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 5: Mona Lisa didn't do anything with a slot receiver. Okay,

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Speaker 5: Belichick did a lot for this league. He got jobbed Colin.

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Speaker 5: It's okay to say that. By the way, nice job

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Speaker 3: Our graphics department, who knew that she wore hoodies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the Italian Renaissance just keeps on veiling itself.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think I want to talk about this

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Speaker 1: and then don't get to the thing that kept me up.

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Speaker 1: There is something about this game and I can't get

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Speaker 1: Huge concern about New England and I can't get past

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Speaker 1: it that. Among other things, I'm done with the Mona

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Speaker 1: Lisa Talk.

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Speaker 3: So Mike Rabel appropriately.

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Speaker 3: It's not just what he's done. Now.

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Speaker 1: It's not just that he flipped the culture, the roster

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Speaker 3: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: No turns. This is the herdline news, right, Collin.

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Speaker 6: We're starting in the NBA. Not great news. Last night

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Speaker 5: Luka Doncicch suffers a leg injury, the other one in

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Speaker 5: here is Luca clearly limping. I'm hoping it's no big deal.

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Speaker 1: Bother you at all that over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 5: It's not just Luca, a lot of the league right now.

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Speaker 2: What do you want.

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Speaker 3: I'm not animating at all.

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Speaker 1: It just seems he's he's you know, never been in

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Speaker 5: Jokic was out for a month. Jannis has his fourth

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Speaker 5: leg injury, like eighteen months. Like Listen, the league is

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Speaker 1: Those those those guys are older players. Luca's still a kid.

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Speaker 1: What is he twenty twenty six ish? I mean, it's

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Speaker 6: Lebron is bionic. That's obvious. He's a machine.

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Speaker 3: I'm not animating anything. I'm just saying, well.

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Speaker 6: Clearly, you're not hinting at anything.

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Speaker 1: I think you and I look at Luca differently. I

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Speaker 6: Defensive player obviously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there is that other side of the floor.

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Speaker 6: Who are you more concerned about? Injury wise? Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not it's apples and oranges. I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Burrow can't control getting hit. I mean,

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Speaker 6: All right, let's move on to the Patriots and the

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Speaker 5: All the talk is Mike Rabel and the Patriots have

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Speaker 5: all the experience, But Superbowl MVP Cooper Cup is on

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Speaker 6: Should that be talked about a little bit more?

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Speaker 5: Here's Cup talking about his approach to getting back to

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Speaker 5: it's not. And Cooper Cup was wearing an I Love

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Speaker 5: Very excited and listen, this is an underplayed aspect. This

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Speaker 1: They're gonna probably put Christian Gonzalez on JS and to

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Speaker 1: two things in this game I cannot unsee deep diving.

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Speaker 5: I mean, listen, Shaheed is just a pretty much straight line,

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Speaker 6: Cooper Cup's gonna be the dude.

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Speaker 6: I think you're right. I would almost look at Cooper

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry maybe an important piece for the Patriot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We know both teams are not gonna be able to

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Speaker 6: These short passes.

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Speaker 5: Final story, Colin is Kyle Shanahan one of the best

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Speaker 5: I was a little surprised, Liam Cohen, McDonald, Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 6: It was a good year for coaches.

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Speaker 5: But on Radio Row yesterday, NFL VET Logan Ryan has

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Speaker 8: Kyle Shanahan blew me away. That is a twenty year,

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Speaker 3: He is brilliant.

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Speaker 8: I love his leadership, I love his play calling. I

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Speaker 8: to blow you away.

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Speaker 2: In one meeting.

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Speaker 8: He was able to draw up offense and defense and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's understood. He's That's why

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Speaker 1: And that Wade Phillips, who took over some really is right,

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't consider them the same coach.

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Speaker 1: Bill took over reclamation projects, whereas you know, Wade Phillips,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're having a coach draft, Shanahan's definitely like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, b carselves the staff says it fifty seven percent

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Speaker 3: Now what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the same thing about Shannan. Well, where

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Speaker 1: where is Shanahan's trophy? Take a deep breath, is what

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Speaker 1: do you inherit? Who are your quarterbacks? Who's in your division?

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Speaker 1: The one of the breaks. Tom Brady got is Peyton

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Speaker 5: The criticisms of Shanahan sound a lot like Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: Suddenly, Yes, j Mack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the heard.

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Speaker 1: Line news the things that keep me up at night.

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Speaker 1: very young. He's the second youngest quarterback to get to

437
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl. But there are two things over the

438
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Speaker 1: last I would say twelve hours. I've thought a lot about.

439
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Speaker 1: One of them is Drake May and his age. So

440
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Speaker 1: people go, big Ben made a super Bowl at twenty three,

441
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 1: Mahomes made a super Bowl at twenty four, so did Brady. Well,

442
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Speaker 1: let's go back and look at those Big Ben super

443
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Speaker 1: Bowl at twenty three. He was awful, nine of twenty

444
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: one two picks through for a one hundred and twenty

445
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Speaker 1: three yards. The Steelers protected Ben from himself. He was

446
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: a liability when he got to a super Bowl at

447
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: that age. How about Mahomes super Bowl at twenty four.

448
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: He was bad, He got out played by Jimmy Garoppolo

449
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: for three quarters. He had two picks and his seventy

450
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Speaker 1: eight passer rating. Well, Tom Brady winning his first super

451
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Speaker 1: Bowl YEP, twenty four years old, fifty nine percent completion percentage,

452
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Speaker 1: eighty six passer rating in one hundred and forty five yards.

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Speaker 3: It was defense, run game and coaching. And so.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes, Big Ben and Tom Brady that first that early

455
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Speaker 1: super Bowl and they're in their early twenties. They they

456
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: were saved by coaching and defense. Now, the coaching and

457
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: defense for the Patriots is excellent, so that doesn't mean

458
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Speaker 1: he can't win. But in three playoff games, his passer

459
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Speaker 1: rating has fallen thirty points. His completion percentage just fallen

460
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: almost twenty percent. So yeah, the weather's called, it's outside.

461
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: But I will say this, if you go to that

462
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Speaker 1: Denver game before the blizzard hit, before the blizzard hit,

463
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Speaker 1: first four possessions, Drake May punt, punt, punt, punt. Okay,

464
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Speaker 1: So this is just one thing I'm thinking about in

465
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Speaker 1: the last twelve hours. Is you start looking at Brady's

466
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Speaker 1: for Super Bowl or Big Ben or Mahomes, and these

467
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: are all time top ten twelve legends. Their team overcame

468
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Speaker 1: them to some degree. I mean they struggled completing passes.

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Speaker 1: Passer rating not ideal. So if this game comes down

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Speaker 1: to Drake May having to throw thirty eight times, New

471
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Speaker 1: England's in my opinion, is in trouble and that will

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Speaker 1: lead me in thirty minus to my next big feeling

473
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Speaker 1: about this game, my next big feel, and I'll give

474
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Speaker 1: you that in just a bit. I'll have my pick

475
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: and Fernando Mendoza, who's going to be the number one

476
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Speaker 1: pick to the Raiders. I'll have both of those at

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Speaker 1: the top twenty eight to thirty minutes from now.

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Speaker 3: So I was asked this the other night.

479
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Speaker 1: I had to fly to the bar area, San Francisco

480
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: for an event and that was a fun event. And

481
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Speaker 1: so I had a young guy come up to me

482
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Speaker 1: at this event. He's a young kid, probably twenty three

483
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Speaker 1: twenty four years old, could have been younger, young kid

484
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Speaker 1: at this party. And he said, uh, who do you

485
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Speaker 1: think the next Sam Darnold is?

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of talk about that.

487
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Speaker 1: And I paused for a second and I said, there

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Speaker 1: isn't one.

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Speaker 3: This won't happen again.

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Speaker 1: And I said because, And I didn't give him an answer,

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Speaker 1: but I walked away, and I had to take a

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Speaker 1: truck to the airport card of the airport, and I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about that kid, and I'm thinking the Jets uniquely

494
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: damaged careers. I mean, you can say, well, what about

495
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: the Titans. Yeah, but Mike Vrabel became a number one

496
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Speaker 1: seed with the Titans, and Derreck Henry was unbelievable, so's

497
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons.

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Speaker 3: They didn't ruin careers. Well, what about Cleveland?

499
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett's been great every day he's been to Cleveland,

500
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Brown and Kevin Stefanski won Coach of the Year twice.

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Speaker 3: The Jets are different.

502
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you know who's starting at right tackle

503
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: for the Patriots and having a good year? Former Jet?

504
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: You know who's starting for the quarterback from the Seahawks.

505
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: The former Jet, not to mention Devonte Adams for the

506
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: Rams led the NFL in touchdowns, irrelevant for the Jets.

507
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers got to the playoffs and was kind

508
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: of irrelevant for the Jets. So I think Darnold bust

509
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl. I don't think it's going to happen again.

510
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a Jets thing. Everybody's looking

511
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: at the players or the coaches. There are plenty of

512
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Speaker 1: people that succeeded during Vrabel's run in Tennessee. Plenty of

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Speaker 1: people have succeeded in Cleveland. Nick Chubb was excellent the

514
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Speaker 1: whole time. Miles Garrett's excellent the whole time. They've had

515
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: good offensive, they've made the playoffs. So Sam, it's not

516
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: just about talent. The Jets are so topic and poorly run.

517
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: Think how talented Darnald is. Think how good he was

518
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. How outstanding he's been with the Seahawks. He

519
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: was awful. He was a bust with the Jets. And

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Speaker 1: I'm the biggest Darnold fan doing this for a living,

521
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Speaker 1: so I don't think of any I don't think you

522
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Speaker 1: can another see another bust to Super Bowl unless somebody's

523
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Speaker 1: drafted by the Jets.

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Speaker 3: It has to go through New York.

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Speaker 1: Diana Russini around the corner, Max Crosby, Fernando Mendoza, the

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Speaker 1: number one pick.

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Speaker 3: In late April, live in La, It's the hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and New Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Seattle has more elite units. I do think New England's

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Speaker 1: coaching experience in the Super Bowl matters. You know something

532
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: to remember about Seattle. If they commit one or fewer turnovers,

533
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: they're ten and O this year. So there are specific

534
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: ways We've seen Seattle and Darnold have four turnovers and

535
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: give the Rams, an elite team everything they can handle,

536
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: and fairly, we also saw New England and Drake May

537
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: cough it up against Houston multiple times and still win.

538
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: These teams are good enough to overcome mistakes. The difference

539
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: is when Seattle doesn't make them, they don't lose, and

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00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: they are ten and zero with one or fewer mistakes.

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Speaker 1: And there is kind of a volume and a speed

542
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: and an athleticism to both sides of the ball in

543
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: Seattle that feels different than New England. And that's why

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Speaker 1: they're four and a half point favorites and a lot

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Speaker 1: of money has come in overwhelmingly on Seattle. I think

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Speaker 1: it's low scoring. I'm going to take the points. I'll

547
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: give you my prediction in twenty five minutes. But the athletics.

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Speaker 1: Senior NFL insider Diana Russini covered the NFL now for

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Speaker 1: over a decade, is joining us live. You're a voter,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a MVP. They're both great. I'm not

551
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: bothered by either. Drake May is mobile and adds an

552
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: extension to an offense that Stafford doesn't. I said one

553
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: of the things that I like about Stafford, and it's

554
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: not Drake May's fault, Diana, you can't be president in

555
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: this country until you're thirty five. You got to be

556
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: at least viewed as kind of an adult. Stafford literally

557
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: has more fourth quarter comebacks then Drake May has starts.

558
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 3: And I don't.

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00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's all the kids and the family and the maturity,

560
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: but he walks to the line. He knows the why,

561
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Speaker 1: and Drake May still trying to figure out the what.

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's the I watched. I watched Stafford

563
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: walk walk to the line. I mean he's literally changing

564
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 1: stuff constantly. So to me, they're both great that that

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00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: would be the determining factor for me.

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Speaker 3: How did you weigh it?

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Speaker 9: I would push back on that and say, because Drake

568
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 9: doesn't understand the what or why just yet.

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Speaker 10: That is what made it.

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Speaker 9: So remarkable his performance this regular season, because he doesn't

571
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Speaker 9: have all.

572
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Speaker 10: The experience in big moments.

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Speaker 9: That we've seen Matthew Stafford have. He's won a Super

574
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Speaker 9: Bowl before. So the fact that Drake May, in just

575
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 9: his second season, was able to figure out an offense

576
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 9: that was run by Josh McDaniels, understand it, comprehend it,

577
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 9: and produce at such a high level with less talent

578
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 9: around him, to me, was slightly more impressive. I'm with

579
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Speaker 9: you on the We could go back and forth and

580
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 9: they said, look the voors, look how close it came.

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Speaker 10: It was one or the other. I voted for.

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Speaker 9: Drake May just due to the fact that the surrounding

583
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Speaker 9: people around him. It caused him to have to elevate

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Speaker 9: his game a little bit more than what Matthew Stafford did.

585
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Speaker 9: But in the same token, every single time Matthew Stafford

586
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 9: steps up to the line, I'm not even really looky

587
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 9: you what Matthew's doing anymore because you just know he's

588
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 9: going to do what he needs to do. I'm looking

589
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 9: to see where he's going to. Whereas these younger quarterbacks,

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Speaker 9: I like watching the mechanics.

591
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 10: I like watching to.

592
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 9: See the communication on the line, to see if they're

593
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 9: understanding play it on the NFL level.

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Speaker 10: And it seems that Drake may is progressing really well.

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Speaker 1: Now there's not I mean, because I think they both have.

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00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: There's not pushback like there was for it. Belichick I

597
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: said this week, Robert Krafts not one in the Hall

598
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: of Fame. Jerry Jones is I'm like, that to me

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00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: is shocking. I do think because of the spygates, the

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00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: draft picks taken away, the fines levied, I think basically

601
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: the voters about eleven of them slapped his wrist. It

602
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that punitive. They didn't whack him upside the head.

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00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: They slapped him on the risk for a year, and

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00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: by the way, they did change the methodology of voting.

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00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: You can get right in now that's not been the

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Speaker 1: case before. So like I, it didn't. People say it's

607
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: going to tarnish the Hall of Fame, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if you look at Hall of Fame's basketball lets and officials,

609
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Speaker 1: like I don't think it's the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised by the outrage defending Belichick.

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Speaker 10: I was not.

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Speaker 9: Surprised by the outrage due to the fact that what

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Speaker 9: he's accomplished. I was surprised that people were supporting Bill

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Speaker 9: Belichick because it's really been from a pr perspective in

615
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 9: the last year, it felt that a lot of people

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Speaker 9: that I thought would normally be coming out in support

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Speaker 9: of Belichick collectively as a head coach, as a head

618
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Speaker 9: coach who possibly wants to coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 10: Again, I wasn't hearing from those people.

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Speaker 9: Everyone has kind of moved on and in fact kind

621
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Speaker 9: of separated themselves from Belichick in some instances. So to

622
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Speaker 9: see sympathy for a guy that has been difficult to

623
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 9: have sympathy for over the last two decades and more

624
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Speaker 9: specifically the last year or so.

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Speaker 10: I thought that just spoke to it almost helped.

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Speaker 9: The cause of why he needs to be in because

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Speaker 9: it was very hard to find people who didn't believe

628
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Speaker 9: outside of those voters and maybe a few other people

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Speaker 9: on Twitter. I actually called Bill Parcells the other day

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Speaker 9: just to get his reaction. You know, this is a

631
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Speaker 9: guy who's obviously had some long history and has had

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Speaker 9: some problems with him in the past, as well as

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Speaker 9: Robert Craft, and Parcels was like, this is ridiculous. This

634
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 9: is ridiculous, because this is proof that people have personal

635
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 9: vendettas and you cannot vote in that nature, even just

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Speaker 9: as a reporter. And I know it's just ap voting.

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00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 9: It's not that big of a deal as the Hall.

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Speaker 9: I've had relationship, we'll call it issues or problems with

639
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 9: some of the guys I need to vote for. You

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00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 9: can't think of it that way that you can't bring

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Speaker 9: that into your vote.

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Speaker 10: You have to look at the accomplishment. Otherwise, let's just

643
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 10: had robots vote. Let's give it to AI. At this point,

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00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 10: Chat gipt who should go in the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 9: At this point, because guess guess what Chat would say.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, right you, I think you you broke this story.

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Speaker 1: He's on our show today. He's one of my favorite

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00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: players in the league. And I've talked through the years

649
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: when I've talked to people inside the league about Max Crosby,

650
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: They're like, I've asked gms before, take quarterbacks out, give

651
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: me five guys you'd want in your roster. All of

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Speaker 1: them say Max Crosby. His relentlessness, his story. People love

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby. You broke the story that Vrabel is a

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Speaker 1: very attractive coach for him to play for. Were you

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Speaker 1: kind of surprised at that or or was it a

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Speaker 1: revelation to you or how you tell me?

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Speaker 9: Look, look how you just described Max. Doesn't that sound

658
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Speaker 9: like Mike Rabel. Isn't that the same person?

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Speaker 10: Leader? Disciplined, intense.

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Speaker 9: And the thing about Max Crosby is when people think

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Speaker 9: of good habits for professional athletes, they think of Tom

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Speaker 9: Brady immediately, right, because he was known to be the

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Speaker 9: Max Crosby is the non quarterback that takes care of

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Speaker 9: his body, his mental health. He does all the things

665
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Speaker 9: that we saw Brady do in terms of sacrifice.

666
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Speaker 10: He just doesn't really talk about it as much. And

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Speaker 10: that's what people in league circles.

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Speaker 9: I've always said about Max, specifically now in terms of

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Speaker 9: him wanting to play for Mike Vraebol, for he's had

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Speaker 9: six different head coaches, including an interim in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 10: It has been the example of unsteady. Of course, he would.

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Speaker 9: Want a leader like Mike very Abel to play for

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Speaker 9: at some point in his career if he were to

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Speaker 9: have that opportunity. But I think really the reason why

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Speaker 9: it caught headlines is just because I think everyone wants

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Speaker 9: to know what is the future. And I'm sure you're

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Speaker 9: going to ask him later today of what where do

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Speaker 9: things stand right? This is a man that has said

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Speaker 9: he wants to be a reader for life. This is

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Speaker 9: also man who's got goals, who wants a legacy, yeah,

681
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Speaker 9: who wants a Super Bowl ring, who wants to be

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Speaker 9: here playing this weekend. He doesn't want to be going

683
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Speaker 9: through Turover again and again. And now a young quarterback perhaps,

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Speaker 9: and Fernando Mendoza, who I know you're going to have

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Speaker 9: on the show today as well, who's been fantastic down

686
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Speaker 9: here by the way, you would you would think he's

687
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Speaker 9: been in the league for five years.

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Speaker 10: So I'm interested to see what.

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Speaker 9: The next move is do I think Vegas is going

690
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Speaker 9: to go, hey, Max, we want to trade you right now.

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Speaker 9: No way, everybody wants Max Crosby on their team. I'm

692
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Speaker 9: just interested to see if they're going to allow Max

693
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Speaker 9: Crosby to dictate what he wants to do next, and

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Speaker 9: we'll see what Max wants.

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Speaker 1: So putting your reporter cap on. When you spend a

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Speaker 1: week in San Francisco, five or six days, you hear

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Speaker 1: reports from practice.

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Speaker 3: There's the media day.

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Speaker 1: I saw Mike McDonald said his team is loose, really

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Speaker 1: focused and loose. They're a young team. Young teams bring

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Speaker 1: a certain energy. I mean, they're the experience the Patriots

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Speaker 1: coaches have. I think some advantage. The youth and energy

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Speaker 1: and speed of Seattle, I think is an advantage. What

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Speaker 1: do you hear right now about the two teams? Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls can be tight? Have you heard any of those

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Speaker 1: stories anything out of the ordinary this week?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: From what I can gather, Seattle has a looseness about them.

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Speaker 9: I ran into Leonard Williams actually the other day, and

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Speaker 9: I knew Leonard when he was in New York's memories

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Speaker 9: with the Giants and the Jets, and he wasn't even

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Speaker 9: close to winning anything, and so we were just reflecting

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Speaker 9: on how much your life can change if you're just

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Speaker 9: with the right organization. And I said, describe what it's

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Speaker 9: like to play for the Seahawks, just based on.

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Speaker 10: All your years. He said, this is the closest to college.

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Speaker 9: This is the closest feel I've ever had from top

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Speaker 9: to bottom. And the friendships I have on this team

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Speaker 9: and how you go out there.

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Speaker 10: For each other.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't feel like work, whereas in other places I've

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Speaker 9: been it just felt like a job. And I think

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Speaker 9: that speaks volumes to the culture that Seattle has built there.

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Speaker 9: These guys are just going out there and they're playing

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Speaker 9: with joy, whereas I think on the other side, New

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Speaker 9: England is here playing knowing that they may not be

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Speaker 9: as talented as of a roster. They're gonna need some breaks,

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Speaker 9: they're gonna need some turnovers, they're gonna need to out

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Speaker 9: coach this Seattle team, and they're aware.

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Speaker 10: So when you talk.

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Speaker 9: About tone and vibe, I would describe the Patriots a

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Speaker 9: little bit more tense than the Seahawks and Texas being

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Speaker 9: a little dramatic. It's just they know that they've got

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Speaker 9: to be perfect, almost perfect, if not maybe a little

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Speaker 9: bit more in order for them to come out as winners.

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Speaker 9: But obviously we just talked about their leader in Mike

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Speaker 9: vabol And if there's anyone who wants to be doubted

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Speaker 9: right now, and maybe a Patriot fan will clip all

739
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Speaker 9: of this and send it to him, since I sound

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Speaker 9: like I'm doubting, it's this man.

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Speaker 10: Because he knows to find the ways to win. He

742
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Speaker 10: can find those small ways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Diana Rushini. The Athletic Senior NFL Insider Game is Sunday. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Diana is Owas. It's great seeing you.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much. I missed you down here. I

746
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Speaker 10: have to tell you, I want to sit next to you.

747
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Speaker 9: I don't want to be sitting in this random set

748
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Speaker 9: just looking at you.

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Speaker 10: Get out Chicago, get down here, let's do some work together.

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Speaker 3: Who knows?

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Speaker 10: All right, baby, thanks for having me college.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: There is so the two things I said. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: not that I had an epiphany because I think the

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Speaker 1: game is going to be low scoring. I'm taking the points.

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Speaker 1: But there are two things about this game. One I

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Speaker 1: addressed with you, which is when you go look at

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Speaker 1: Brady's for Super Bowl and Big Ben's versus Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: and Mahomes vers Super Bowl. They won because of coaching

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Speaker 1: and defense, right like it's it's uh, they was choppy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jimmy Garoppolo outplayed Mahomes. Mahomes missed a deep ball.

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Speaker 1: If he hits that, San Francisco wins, and Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: outplayed by Jimmy Garoppolo. And Garoppolo in his prime was fine.

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Speaker 1: But don't don't forget that Big Ben was bad and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady it was coaching in defense. Tom was fine,

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Speaker 1: but it was coaching in defense. So that's the first

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Speaker 1: thing to think about Drake May facing it with the

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Speaker 1: weakest unit in this game for either team is New

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Speaker 1: England's O line.

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Speaker 3: That's the weakest unit.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't think Seattle's on line is great, but

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Speaker 1: to me, it's a very good run blocking O line

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Speaker 1: in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Pass pro.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many great pass pro O lines are

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Speaker 1: there in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Not a ton.

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Speaker 1: And some of that is escapability by quarterback. Both these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are es capable, So it hasn't been punitive to

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Speaker 1: Drake May. He's he leads the NFL and scrambles. Some

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Speaker 1: of that is survival he's had to move, so the

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Speaker 1: weakest unit. I've always said in pro football, the coaching

783
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Speaker 1: is so good, j Mac. You don't have to be

784
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Speaker 1: great anywhere. You can't be bad anywhere. You don't have

785
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Speaker 1: to be great everywhere. You can't be bad anywhere. Will

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Speaker 1: Seattle's defensive front make the Patriots O line look bad?

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Speaker 1: Will that be the unit where you're like, okay, they

788
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Speaker 1: can't block them. That's to me a big part of

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Speaker 1: this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So the Texans, Chargers, and Broncos sacked May five times each,

792
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Speaker 5: May have sacked forty seven times this season. You could

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Speaker 5: argue Seattle's got a better defense or as good as

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Speaker 5: all those teams, especially with McDonald. I think the Seattle

795
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Speaker 5: defense dominates this game.

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Speaker 6: I'm with you. Low scoring, you know, I told you yesterday.

797
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Speaker 6: I don't think it hurts to put a couple bucks on.

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Speaker 5: Patriots gets shut out, Patriots don't score a touchdown.

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Speaker 6: None of that stuff would surprise me. I think this

800
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Speaker 6: defense is really nasty Cone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: In the last eight weeks, last eight games, one team

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Speaker 5: has done well against them, the Rams.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

805
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Speaker 5: The Rams did it twice and the Rams have nobody else.

806
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Speaker 5: The Rams have Matt Stafford, a veteran quarterback who's seen everything.

807
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Speaker 5: And McVeigh a genius coach like I sorry, Josh McDaniel's

808
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 5: history in the Super Bowl. How many first quarters they

809
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Speaker 5: go scoreless? Is this seven in a row or something

810
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Speaker 5: like that with Brady.

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Speaker 1: These are all legitimate points, so I'm gonna have my

812
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Speaker 1: pick next.

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00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: And Fernando Mendoz hour two and a Friday in LA.

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Speaker 3: It's the Hurt