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Speaker 1: All right, Fred Shill, finally a respectable honorable guest on

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Speaker 1: our program. I mean we don't often have a We've

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Speaker 1: never had an author, have we we ever had an author?

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Speaker 1: Like just an author? No, I don't think so. No,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. TJ Newman is here. Hi, welcome. You've

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Speaker 1: never done like in the studio radio and you're a

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Speaker 1: Best New York Times best selling author.

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Speaker 2: Well, my first book came out it was Covid Times.

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Speaker 2: So this is my second book.

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Speaker 3: And now I can.

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Speaker 2: Actually do a tour, I can actually be in studio

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, this is my first time in a

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Speaker 1: Look at TJ with the voice over here listening. Let

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Speaker 1: me come on. You can't have it all, okay.

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Speaker 3: I was a flight at ten for ten years.

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Speaker 1: So there. Do you remember the speech? Do you remember

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Speaker 1: the whole thing?

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Speaker 3: I'm sure I do.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's somebody you'd never forget, like your

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Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome on board Virtuin in America.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you get all sultry with it too

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Speaker 1: when you were doing it? That would have been my best,

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Speaker 1: my favorite flight ever.

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Speaker 3: My pa alter ego. Her name is Peaches.

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Speaker 4: Oh, peaches girl.

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Speaker 1: So your first book falling, and now we have drowning?

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Speaker 1: What And we were talking out the year what's next?

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Speaker 1: Like how are we going to die? The next way?

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Speaker 1: What's the third way? You know?

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Speaker 2: There's there's there's a lot of things that can go

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Speaker 2: right and a lot of things that can go wrong

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Speaker 2: in aviation. And I worked as a flight attendant for

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Speaker 2: ten years. So one or two good ideas for books

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Speaker 2: is I don't think that's well.

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Speaker 1: She's got three more to write, so you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: tell us is when it comes to drinking the water

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Speaker 1: on the plane? Yeah, that's a no no, isn't it

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Speaker 1: the coffee? You don't want to call drink the coffee

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Speaker 1: on the plane every time? But yeah, the look on

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Speaker 1: I'm in an illuminum cesspool. What's the worst is going

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, Yeah, read my read my books and

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Speaker 1: Talking about I've read them all twice, so okay. People

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty remarkable. Like if anyone's driving to work

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Speaker 1: right now wherever, and they're thinking I've always wanted to

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Speaker 1: do X Y Z. That's basically what you did is

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Speaker 1: you had this idea, this dream, and you made it

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Speaker 1: happen while you were working as a flight attendant, and

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Speaker 1: so sort of I don't know what's like, how would

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Speaker 1: you paraphrase the story of you and how this all happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a wild ride.

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Speaker 2: I started out going to New York and trying to

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Speaker 2: make it on Broadway. And since we're not talking about

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Speaker 2: what my next Broadway show is, you can guess.

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Speaker 4: How well that one.

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Speaker 2: I left New York, moved home, moved in with my parents,

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Speaker 2: did the whole what do I do with my life now?

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Speaker 3: And that's when I got a job at a independent.

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Speaker 2: Bookstore up the street and started writing again and started

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Speaker 2: thinking of stories and trying to come up with a

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Speaker 2: new way for me to be creative and be with stories.

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Speaker 2: I left the store eventually to become a flight attendant,

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Speaker 2: because it's the family business, as we call it. My

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Speaker 2: mom's a flight attendant, my sister's flight attendant, Okay, And

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Speaker 2: it was there at work that I had the idea

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Speaker 2: I tried to go out and get an agent that's

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Speaker 1: And forty two said, okay.

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Speaker 3: Forty two is my one and normally yes, yeah, and forty.

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Speaker 1: One people are like, oh my god, I could be

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Speaker 1: the coffee they did. Yeah, that's amazing. Okay, So then

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Speaker 1: of course you have the hope that it's going to

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Speaker 2: The only thing that we knew for sure was that

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Speaker 2: it right. But you never know. Your work is hard.

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Speaker 2: She can and you hope. But we knew the idea

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Speaker 2: who's told mid flight that his family has been taken

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Speaker 2: and that if he doesn't crash the plane, they'll be killed.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Oh what do you do? I'm not going to tell.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell what you do. So then

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Speaker 1: it debuted number two and got to number one New

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's debuted at number two on the New York

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Speaker 1: And that's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: It's not bad. I'm pretty pleased.

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Speaker 2: Had a movie deal with Universal Pictures and working title,

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Speaker 2: and that book was the one that forty one agents rejected.

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Speaker 1: Wow. And Nicole Kidment's involved in this one, the first

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Speaker 2: The second one, and she was involved in the bidding

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Speaker 2: process where I didn't leave my house. I was just

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Speaker 2: interested in my second book, Drowning, And that's the title

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Speaker 2: of the book, Drowning The Rest of Your Flight fourteen

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Speaker 2: twenty one. And yeah, my agent he would call me

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Speaker 2: and say things like, you know, and this person's coming

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Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg has your book right now. No big deal,

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Speaker 2: no big deal. You know, I'm talking to him tomorrow, Seve.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's if we call them sometimes, you know exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then my agent would hang up the phone and

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Speaker 2: that's amazing. It's truly, it's an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: You write this thing while you're doing something else, and

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Speaker 1: everyone tells you know, but you keep trying. And you

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Speaker 1: have a five book deal, right.

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Speaker 2: No, I read that I made five some figured deals.

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Speaker 1: Always a book? Sorry, yeah, five seven figure deals? Wow?

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Speaker 3: Yes, girl, girl?

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Speaker 4: Now are you are you writing the script for the

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Speaker 4: movie for Falling, For.

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Speaker 3: Falling, I am yeah, I'm adapting the screenplay.

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Speaker 4: Said a hard process to do, like from writing the book.

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Speaker 2: It is so hard and so fascinating, and it's it's

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Speaker 2: a it's an art of compression, right. Having take a

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Speaker 2: and not lose anything that is in the story is

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Speaker 4: Is there a small role for someone like me? The

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Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna say for her because she

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Speaker 2: needed to be on Broadway.

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Speaker 4: You just said to follow your dreams.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you met the person.

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Speaker 4: Plus during the video movie, I could die in the

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Speaker 4: first ten minutes. I'm good. You know what I'm saying that, right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if everybody can submit their headshots and resumes, why.

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Speaker 1: Not Rufio over here has never well Jason as well?

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Speaker 1: Who you met? Who's outside? But Jason has never read

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Speaker 1: But I don't read a lot of books either.

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Speaker 4: No, you're just waiting for the movie to get Yes,

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Speaker 4: I enjoy the movie because a lot of people say,

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Speaker 4: like they watch a movie, they'll be like, well, I

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Speaker 4: and it's it doesn't it doesn't compare. So I just

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Speaker 4: like to watch the movie. So I'm excited for your

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Speaker 3: Thank you? I appreciate your half support.

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Speaker 1: Teaching Newman. The new book is drowning, the first book

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Speaker 1: is falling. What are you doing with all your money now?

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Speaker 2: Because you're rich, I'm I'm ordering the avocado without second thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it coss extra, but not for you. You're like, eh, whatever,

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Speaker 1: And do people come out of the woodwork when you

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Speaker 1: when you are like an overnight success, Are people coming

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Speaker 1: where you're not having to deal with too much of that?

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Speaker 2: Not so much because my overnight success took fifteen years,

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know that we were friends

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Speaker 1: before you got in with Nicole Kidman. Okay, just I

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Speaker 1: I was in early.

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Speaker 3: You were there in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: That's right. At hey, do you want to write a

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Speaker 3: What are we writing about? My subject matter is not.

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Speaker 1: Except you're going to write it and I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: watch you write it and then oh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: you're a New York Times best selling author. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what the hell am I doing writing? You write it?

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Speaker 1: And then I'm going to watch you write it, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna sell it to Nicole Kidman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the book about?

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Speaker 1: I say, right now, I'm going to give out my

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Speaker 1: a plane. What would you do? No, it's not about

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Speaker 1: a kid flying a plane. Similar concept. All right, So

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Speaker 1: everyone needs to go buy this book? And do they

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Speaker 1: have to read them in order? Like will Falling make

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Speaker 1: sense with? Or will Drowning make sense without Falling?

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Speaker 2: They are both standalone novels. They're both aviation epic disasters.

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Speaker 2: They're both stories that feature everyday, normal people and extraordinary

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Speaker 2: circumstances on the worst day of their life. But they

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Speaker 2: are completely separate novels.

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Speaker 1: Do you care if they buy. We like bookstores, Go

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Speaker 1: buy in a bookstore. But do you make the same

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Speaker 2: Book sale is a book if people are reading. If

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Speaker 2: I can get Rufio to read like that, that's all

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Speaker 4: I'm going to read this book. I'm going to read Drowning.

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Speaker 4: I got it. I'm gonna I.

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Speaker 1: Don't believe you, but but yeah, maybe I'm gonna read it.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to read it and I will do a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Write me a little

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Speaker 4: My quote on the cover, you know, saws air, whatever

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Speaker 2: You've gone from not reading the book to Cassy in

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Speaker 2: the movie.

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Speaker 3: Put my blurb on the cover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, truly met and all that he embodies experience.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, everyone go buy the book TJ. Newman

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Speaker 1: Falling and Drowning. You have to buy both. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: can you buy him in like, are you at the

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Speaker 1: level yet where they come together. It's like a little thing.

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Speaker 3: Not at that level, not at box set level yet.

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Speaker 1: Now all right, but but we got another one coming.

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Speaker 2: Right, another one. Look, I'm deep at work on book three.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Look at this. Yeah, well Rufio is only going to

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Speaker 1: the book. Thank you for being here. It's nice to

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Speaker 1: you've been on before. But anyway, inspirational story, Order the avocado.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the moral. Right, Well, if you have a

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