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Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rap An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing In, and before we get back,

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Speaker 2: before we get into who we have on the podcast today,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to say something that I wanted to bring

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Speaker 2: up on Monday and forgot. But we just need to

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Speaker 2: give a round of a pause for our Scrubbing In group,

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Speaker 2: our listeners because I've always we've always known that y'all

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Speaker 2: are the best of the best of the best. But

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Speaker 2: I got a message from Natalie Cherry, who is one

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Speaker 2: of our Facebook moderators and one.

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Speaker 3: Of our illustrators.

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Speaker 2: We've talked to her on the podcast before, and she

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Speaker 2: sent me a message and said, Hi, Becca, I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to let you know the kind community that you

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Speaker 2: and Tanya have created. Months ago, I decided to start

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Speaker 2: a scrubber is in Need within the Facebook group. I

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Speaker 2: took this idea to Crystal and our other moderator and

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Speaker 2: they were immediately all in and willing to help in

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Speaker 2: any way. Since we've started this, we have been able

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Speaker 2: to purchase groceries to help pay for medications and help

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Speaker 2: pay a bill or two for so many scrubbers. Scrubbers

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Speaker 2: selflessly donate their harder money to help their scrub sister

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Speaker 2: that is in need. And this is the community that

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Speaker 2: you guys have created, and you should be so proud.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, like it really that Facebook group, the people that

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Speaker 1: are in that Facebook group, to me are unparalleled. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why I get so passionate and protective

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Speaker 1: over the podcast, because I feel like our Facebook group

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Speaker 1: they deserve everything.

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Speaker 2: Everything and just like I think showing up these a

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Speaker 2: lot of these people just like they're only the way

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Speaker 2: they know each other is through this podcast, and I'm

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Speaker 2: just like blown away that they share, share their money,

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Speaker 2: or so willing to help someone or what can I

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Speaker 2: send you?

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Speaker 4: What can I help you with? That's the thing that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: That's what's on top of mine. For that Facebook group,

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Speaker 1: it's like how can I help? How can I be

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Speaker 1: there for somebody? It's always advice, whatever it is. Now

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Speaker 1: it's gone to a whole other level of like really

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Speaker 1: supporting each other in a financial way, and I just

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Speaker 1: think that's so beautiful.

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Speaker 5: So this was brought to my attention Lindsay Jaggers posted

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Speaker 5: let's start a threat of things in your life that

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Speaker 5: have come from the podcast, which I thought, was that

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Speaker 5: seems that's cute, cool, love that, and so a lot

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Speaker 5: of people talk you I met this person and now

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Speaker 5: you know she's my godmother to my kids.

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Speaker 6: Or whatever it is.

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Speaker 5: And then Taylor Crawford posted, so many scrubbers sent me

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Speaker 5: gifts of my baby registry for my first baby because

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Speaker 5: I didn't have anyone to throw me a baby shower

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Speaker 5: and it was peak COVID times. I was venting. I

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Speaker 5: wasn't expecting anything from my post and it was the

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Speaker 5: sweetest thing ever. One girl even helped me make the

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Speaker 5: actual registry because I didn't know what I needed. Whenever

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Speaker 5: I use the items they got me, I think if

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Speaker 5: how amazing that was and how there are so many kind,

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Speaker 5: selfless people out there. Her husband was blown away. Her

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Speaker 5: husband was like, where all.

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Speaker 4: These boxes coming from.

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Speaker 5: She even posted a picture of all of the Amazon

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Speaker 5: boxes that were sent to her by Scrubbers.

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Speaker 3: Literally, I know, wow, incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just so beautiful and emotional, and I always

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Speaker 2: am like, my I love the podcast. I love doing

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Speaker 2: the podcast, But I think my favorite thing that has

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Speaker 2: come from the podcast is the community of people that

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Speaker 2: have just come together because of it.

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Speaker 3: It really is it's it's it is a sisterhood.

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Speaker 4: It's a sisterhood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we love you guys and think of you for

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Speaker 2: being so good to each other.

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Speaker 3: It's and just being what life is all about.

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Speaker 1: Like we were created to be in community with one another,

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Speaker 1: to help each other, and like that this Facebook group

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Speaker 1: is such a shiny example of that.

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Speaker 4: Agreed.

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Speaker 2: So today's guest is one of my favorite influencers to follow.

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Speaker 2: I think she is so funny. I think she's so

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Speaker 2: good at what she does. She is a trailblazer in

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of things in common with her,

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Speaker 1: one of them being that she hosts a podcast with

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Speaker 1: her best friend. The podcast What We Said is all

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Speaker 1: about talking candidly about health, business, relationships, and life.

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Speaker 4: She's just so fun to follow.

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Speaker 2: She's honest, she's real, and some may say her biggest

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Speaker 2: fan is Kendall Jenner. And if you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: please help us give a warm welcome to the one

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Speaker 2: and only Jase Marie.

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Speaker 4: We have been I have.

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Speaker 2: Asked you, I've been like I want to have you

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Speaker 2: on the podcast, and I am so excited that you're here.

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Speaker 6: I'm so excited to be here. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: I was just telling them like, this is the real deal.

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Speaker 7: That's recording studio is amazing.

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Speaker 6: I love it. I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 2: I kept telling Hannah. She, you know, is always like

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Speaker 2: who do I want to have on the podcast? I'm like,

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Speaker 2: get please, get Jace.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, on here.

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Speaker 6: I've been dying to him. So excited.

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Speaker 2: So you have a podcast with your best friend and

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Speaker 2: we're best friends as well. Were you all best friends

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Speaker 2: before you started the podcast?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've been best friends for over ten years.

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Speaker 7: We were high school besties. Wow. So we met when

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Speaker 7: we were like fourteen fifteen and we've been best friends

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Speaker 7: ever since. And now we're twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: So y'all have done much years. Y'all have just like

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Speaker 4: done life together.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and we've been at such similar like life trajectories

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Speaker 7: as well. We got married within a month of each other.

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Speaker 7: We obviously we're like the state we're two or three

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Speaker 6: We graduated. It's everything has been so like pretty consistent.

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Speaker 4: So are you all like the same because Tanya and

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Speaker 4: I are opposites.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're opposites.

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Speaker 4: Oh you are who's who?

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Speaker 4: Who has what personality traits.

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Speaker 7: It's weird because we're so our sense of humor. We

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Speaker 7: always say our sense of humor is identical, okay, but

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Speaker 7: then we just are different in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 7: like our style, our vibe. Like she is much more

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Speaker 7: I don't know. I guess I'm more maybe like light

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Speaker 7: dark not like dark energy, but she's more of like a.

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Speaker 4: Realist, like just kind of or maybe.

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Speaker 7: It's heart, she's in aries. Oh, she's kind of like

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Speaker 2: Okay, is one of you more Type A and the

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Speaker 7: Kind of similar in that way too, But I'm probably

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Speaker 7: more type A. She's worked out with the flow. I'm

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Speaker 7: a little more planner. Okay, you know.

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Speaker 4: Does one of you run late ever consistently?

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Speaker 6: Probably her?

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Speaker 7: Okay, but also mean a little I'm working on that

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Speaker 7: as well, But but I would say mostly her. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I'm definitely a little more type A.

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Speaker 6: For sure.

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Speaker 2: We're just trying to because like with Tanya and I,

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Speaker 2: a Tanya, or like they have that relationship.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very clearly distinctly in our own lanes, like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: people definitely say that, but do you know what, I

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Speaker 6: I'm a JC. She's the Chelsea to my JC. But

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Speaker 6: it's hard for me to like distinguish the the real difference.

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Speaker 1: Working dynamic change your friendship in any way, because people

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Speaker 3: Beck and either like I just don't know.

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Speaker 1: They want to go in business with their best friend,

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Speaker 1: but they're scared because they don't want to ruin their friendship,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, we've been able to navigate it in

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Speaker 7: Honestly, this is a most annoying answer because I feel

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Speaker 7: like everyone expects to be like, yeah, it's really hard,

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Speaker 7: but we've gotten through it. But I'm like we've only

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Speaker 7: it's something different too, that we kind of grew up together.

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Speaker 7: We know each other's families, Like we're very deeply, you know,

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Speaker 6: So doing business together.

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Speaker 7: Sure they're little annoyances or whatever, but I feel like

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel like we have had I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 1: No, we always like at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: we always have each other's backs. The only thing that

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Speaker 1: really annoyed when you're late.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm always late.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that can be annoying. I get it.

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Speaker 6: I think that do you guys have how long have

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Speaker 3: When is our friend aniversary?

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Speaker 2: Rebecca, It's sometime in May and we met in Vegas

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Speaker 2: at the Poole part I heart Pool party.

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Speaker 4: And that was in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Actually, got there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's been a long time.

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Speaker 7: Do you guys have like this is like this is

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Speaker 7: maybe too deep, not too deep, but like too you

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Speaker 7: know in the weeks, do you guys have like specific

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Speaker 7: contracts where it's like this is mine, this is yours,

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Speaker 7: Because like me and Chelsea are done like about your podcast,

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Speaker 7: it's like we're doing business together.

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Speaker 6: We need to like be in a contract where it's

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Speaker 6: like it's fifty to fifty. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Like if this ends, like this is what happens.

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Speaker 3: We have either, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: To stay how strong our friendship?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm saying tuned for the for the fallout. No,

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Speaker 7: that's what we are too.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 7: It's like and people ask us stuff I don't know't

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Speaker 7: just like we just know that. We always say there.

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Speaker 7: It's like, don't get into business with your best friend.

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Speaker 7: And people also say that about living with your butts.

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Speaker 7: I don't live with your best friend. But we've lived

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Speaker 7: we were like, let's not share a room because we

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Speaker 7: have two other roommates, so we're like, to protect our friendship,

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Speaker 7: let's not share a room or litter saying here about

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Speaker 7: every night, Like we hate these too. Like it's so,

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Speaker 7: And I don't know why other social media platforms don't

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Speaker 6: No, man, really, we've seen it all. And I said

443
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,360
Speaker 6: this too.

444
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,240
Speaker 7: I'm like, you could be in a red ball gown

445
00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,560
Speaker 7: that is covered in diamonds in front of the Eiffel

446
00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,520
Speaker 7: Tower like be and I just.

447
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 6: Like, like, I don't care anymore.

448
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,320
Speaker 7: I've seen everything there is to see, Like, unless you're

449
00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,480
Speaker 7: doing something groundbreaking, I don't care.

450
00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,360
Speaker 6: That's it just like gets tiring.

451
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 4: I don't know at my That's what I'm saying.

452
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,280
Speaker 2: What is even when when someone's like Becca, what's groundbreaking

453
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:40,480
Speaker 2: to you?

454
00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know.

455
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,479
Speaker 7: No, literally nothing like you in a spaceship like an alien,

456
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:44,880
Speaker 7: that's it.

457
00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,600
Speaker 4: That's almost can impress me. You and a selfie with

458
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,280
Speaker 4: an alien Because I have such a I do.

459
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 1: I have a different relationship with Instagram, like I really yeah,

460
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,320
Speaker 1: like I really enjoy it.

461
00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't scroll.

462
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 1: As much as I post, so I can post like

463
00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 1: I just post my day, like I just go about

464
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 1: my day, and I like feel like I have friends

465
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 1: and community through Instagram that is so different and unique.

466
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,280
Speaker 3: And so to me.

467
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,920
Speaker 1: I think I post more than I scroll, and with TikTok,

468
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 1: I feel like, but I get I feel it's more

469
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 1: intimidating because I'm like, I don't know how to work

470
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 1: it as well.

471
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 3: I don't know what anything means if.

472
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 6: It's unknown to you. Also, that makes sense.

473
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 7: People always say like you should create more than you consume,

474
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 7: So that makes a lot of sense if you're if

475
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Speaker 7: you're kind of going on a platform to create and

476
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 7: then you're getting off, it's like, great.

477
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 6: All you did was, you know.

478
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,199
Speaker 7: But I think the constant consumption is what gets like

479
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,400
Speaker 7: overwhelming for anyone.

480
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Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, I'm very fas.

481
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 2: So you've got it back and now you're like ready

482
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:46,640
Speaker 2: to say goodbye again.

483
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 6: So it's more of just having it on my phone.

484
00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:50,720
Speaker 6: So I have two phones.

485
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Speaker 7: I have like a work phone that I do a

486
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 7: bunch of like work stuff, and I have social media

487
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 7: stuff on. And the reason I read down a little

488
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 7: on my actual phone is because it was just getting

489
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,239
Speaker 7: kind of annoying to me. I don't upload stories every day.

490
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 7: I'll upload like twice a week or something. I'll just

491
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 7: like give a little update of what I've been up to.

492
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 7: But it was getting so annoying. I'm like, Okay, now

493
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 7: I have to air drop the photos onto this phone

494
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 7: and like upload Like this is a bit much. I'm like,

495
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Speaker 7: I can handle just getting it back on my phone.

496
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 7: So I did it like two days ago, and I've

497
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 7: been on it a ton because when I have it

498
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 7: on my work phone day to day, I don't bring

499
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 7: my work phone out with me, so I just don't

500
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,439
Speaker 7: have the option. But I find myself like again being

501
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 7: in the line at the grocery store and getting on

502
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 7: I'm like, this is what I didn't want to do,

503
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 7: so now I'm thinking about.

504
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Speaker 6: But also, what platform did you start on? Like did

505
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 6: you get your start Instagram? Instagram?

506
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

507
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 7: Okay, because I was gonna say, I have this theory

508
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 7: that wherever you start, you get burnt out of it

509
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 7: after a while and you want something fresh. A lot

510
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 7: of my YouTuber friends they hate YouTube and like I

511
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 7: They're like, I don't get how you're posing blogs.

512
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, I love YouTube. They're so over it

513
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 6: because they've been doing it for ten years long.

514
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 7: So I was wondering if maybe you started on a

515
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 7: different platform, if Instagram felt fresh. But sounds like you're

516
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 7: just a very healthy individual who had so that makes sense.

517
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Speaker 4: It's not.

518
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: It's really not about healthy boundaries, to be honest, I

519
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: think it's just more of.

520
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 6: Like your personality.

521
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.

522
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 2: No, I think it's about community. Like I think you

523
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: genuinely like to commute. Like do you feel like it's

524
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 2: the community of Instagram?

525
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think, Okay, it's gonna sound so crazy,

526
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: but I had weird stuff going off my dog's eyeboogers

527
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: and they smelled like poop, and I was just like,

528
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 1: this is gross. And I go on Instagram and like

529
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: asking people for help, and I kid you not, it's

530
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: better than Google.

531
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 4: Eyeboogers.

532
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Speaker 1: I made two changes to her diet and she's clean

533
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Speaker 1: as a whistle. And I'm like, I love my Instagram

534
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 1: people like I love this community, and like I feel

535
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: like it's this I don't know. I just I have

536
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: like a really like love relationship with it.

537
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 7: I think the reason I'm saying you're like healthy is

538
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 7: because that's actually very like, well, I guess it's self

539
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 7: serving in the way you're getting something from them, but

540
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 7: you're kind of looking outwards instead of looking inwards, where

541
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 7: I feel like, for me growing up doing it for

542
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 7: since I was eighteen, I started to become almost like

543
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 7: selfish in a way. It's like, oh, like, why am

544
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 7: I not getting likes? And when you're looking outward and

545
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 7: you're like, I love my community, it's much easier to

546
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 7: be inspired. But when you're when you're thinking me, me, me,

547
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 7: like what, it's never enough? And so that's kind of

548
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 7: what I'm trying to get away from. But I mean

549
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 7: I agree, like it is a million times better than

550
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 7: you can find out anything in two seconds.

551
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Speaker 4: Wild.

552
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 2: That just struck a chord with me, that you that

553
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: conversation about when you're thinking me, me, me, it's never enough.

554
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: It's so true because we're never satisfied. It's like ourselves.

555
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, glad you're healthy.

556
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: I want to take a break and then we will

557
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Speaker 2: be back because I need to talk about j C.

558
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Speaker 4: Jenner.

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Speaker 8: I'm ready, Okay, So j C.

560
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Speaker 2: Jenner, the conspiracy theories are that, but Kendall Jenner is

561
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: inspired by you and copies you.

562
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Speaker 6: That's what they're saying me, That's what I'm saying.

563
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, it started as a complete joke and has legitimately

564
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 7: lasted like a year.

565
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Speaker 4: What was it this place?

566
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: Okay, so walk people through this because I feel like

567
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: I almost know too much that I'm gonna like give

568
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: people the details because I think it's the funniest thing ever.

569
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Speaker 7: It's so funny, it's like the biggest It's the will

570
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 7: always be the mystery of my lifetime as well. Hopefully

571
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 7: one day I get solid answers. But it started as

572
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 7: a complete joke. So my family, I'm from Phoenix, and

573
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 7: my family like we're super big Phoenix Suns fans. And

574
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Speaker 7: I went to a son's game and at the time,

575
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 7: Kendall Jenner had been dating Devin Booker, who is he

576
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 7: plays for the Suns for like years, And you know.

577
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Speaker 4: I said, they work.

578
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: The sun is hotter in what is it, Puerto Rico

579
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Speaker 1: than it is in Phoenix.

580
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Speaker 7: That's what I heard from that bunny. Yeah, yeah, so

581
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 7: I thought they were endgame. By the way, I'm like

582
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 7: so sad that they broke up, devastated anyway, So I

583
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 7: made a joke that this was the first thing was

584
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 7: that I got picked to be on the JumboTron at

585
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 7: the Sun's game. This randomly. I was at the game

586
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 7: kind of early and this random lady came up. She like,

587
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 7: do you want to play a game? And I was

588
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 7: like yeah, Actually she asked late for my husband and

589
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 7: he was like no, and I was like I will,

590
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 7: And so I was on the JumboTron and I made

591
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 7: a joke like, so Kendall had dyed her hair red

592
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 7: shortly after, like a few weeks after that.

593
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 6: So I got on TikTok.

594
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Speaker 7: I'm like, I was wondering, like where she got this

595
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 7: inspiration to go red, and I realized, like it was me.

596
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 7: She must have seen me at the Sun's game because

597
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 7: I was on the JumboTron whatever. She watches all the games,

598
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 7: and it kind of went viral. People are just like, oh,

599
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 7: that's funny. And then the next week she was wearing

600
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 7: this like white tank top with these green pants in

601
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 7: this pose like identical to a photo I had just posted.

602
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 7: So I was like, the conspiracy continues, and everyone's like, eh,

603
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 7: like what the heck, that's actually kind of weird, and

604
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 7: it just was like thing. Then it kind of like

605
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 7: took a pause for a second. I'm trying to think

606
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 7: of like what the next big thing was. But one

607
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 7: one of the biggest was.

608
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: I oh oh oh.

609
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 7: She posted this photo on a beach chair and it

610
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 7: was like really similar with like a baseball cap, and

611
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 7: it was really similar to a photo I had posted.

612
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 7: But it's also like every Instagram girl in the world

613
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 7: has taken that photo. So I kind of was just

614
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 7: being silly and I didn't say anything like caption wise

615
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 7: or with my words. I just posted on my story

616
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 7: the photo of me and then the photo of her,

617
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 7: and I got on a flight for like an hour.

618
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 6: I was going to Phoenix.

619
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 7: When I got off the flight, everyone was messaging me,

620
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 7: They're like, she deleted that photo from her like photo dump,

621
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 7: Like all the photos are still there, but that one

622
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 7: that you posted. I'm like what, And so I went,

623
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 7: I'm like, she deleted it. So then I posted that

624
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 7: that went viral. Then the straw that really broke the

625
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 7: camel's back was the following week. I I had just

626
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 7: put I'd been to Italy and I had posted this

627
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 7: photo of me laying on a beach towel reading this

628
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 7: book called The Surrender Experiment.

629
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 6: The next week, she.

630
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 7: Is in a bikini on a beach towel reading The

631
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 7: Surrender Experiment and I'm like, okay, that one is actually

632
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 7: like it's the same and that book is not i mean,

633
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 7: like viral or anything. So I was like, that's actually

634
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 7: like really funny that it's the same book as well.

635
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 7: And then it was I feel like there's more I'm

636
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 7: trying to think of, Like the other big big one.

637
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: Did you just post one about your Instagram break?

638
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 7: Okay, so that one. So Elle wrote an article. Elle

639
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 7: Australia wrote an article about this whole conspiracy thing. And

640
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 7: then what I think happened, So after further research the

641
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 7: article that they wrote, so they just came out with

642
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 7: an article on Elle like a week ago that was

643
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 7: like I deleted Instagram for six months and here's how

644
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 7: I felt. And it's a photo of Kendall Jenner and

645
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, that's my thing. I'm like, I deleted Instagram.

646
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 7: But she But but then upon further research, Kendall wasn't

647
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 7: the one who said that the Elle article wrote it

648
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 7: and used her photo. But I have a theory that

649
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 7: someone at Elle knows the connection and they did that

650
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 7: for publicity because they know that I'm going to post

651
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 7: it and say, oh my gosh, and sure enough, like

652
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 7: they always go viral, so I think that that's what

653
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 7: happened there. But it's just been like countless things that

654
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 7: are again it's like funny, yeah, and just like not.

655
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: Ever seen her look at your stories.

656
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 7: Never she did that, right, you know, I think so

657
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 7: for sure, But you know, Simon huck Yeah, So he

658
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 7: followed me in the midst of all of it and

659
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 7: like dms me and like put me on like the

660
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 7: Lemmy Courtney Kardashian's pr and like literally I replied to

661
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 7: his story the other day. I was like, this kitchen

662
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Speaker 7: is in like goals or something, because he posted a

663
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Speaker 7: photo of his kitchen and he's like, thank.

664
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Speaker 6: You, I love you.

665
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 7: Like so we we like DM and I feel like

666
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 7: there was another oh, like someone sent me this thing.

667
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 7: They're like, this is one of Kylie Jenner's best friends

668
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 7: and she was listening to my podcast.

669
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 6: So they are like.

670
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 7: Little connections and like seeds. But I in the moment,

671
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 7: I so badly wanted to collab with eight one eight

672
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 7: because a whole other thing is that I grew up Mormon,

673
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 7: and like I never tried alcohol and I was like,

674
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 7: I will literally try to for the first time on

675
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 7: a screen. I don't even think I ever like pitched that.

676
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 7: But I was like, if I was eight one eight,

677
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 7: I would fully take advantage of this, like one million percent.

678
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 7: I would just even not saying like I should meet Kendall,

679
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 7: but I'm like, you should have. You should just send

680
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 7: me a pr pack and you be like from Kendall

681
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 7: that would go viral. It's like just publicity for you,

682
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 7: but they never did.

683
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: You're hearing if they're hearing this podcast, Yeah, I just

684
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: think it's so I think it's so funny. But I

685
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: also am like, if she's having someone help her, like,

686
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: let's say she has someone that helps her with her

687
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: social media and they're seeing your stuff and it's like,

688
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: let's play into this.

689
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: But also I feel like if that person would be

690
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: smart enough to then be like, let's just swap out

691
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: the book and make it a different book, or like

692
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

693
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: No, because I think it gets traction.

694
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 7: I think people talk like you're saying you think that

695
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 7: someone helps her social media and is like purposely doing ye. Yeah, yeah,

696
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 7: I mean if that was me, not the Kendall Jenner

697
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 7: needs my class out at all. But I feel like

698
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 7: a lot of the Kardashians play into things like that,

699
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 7: Like if someone I remember, there's a girl who looks

700
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 7: a lot like Kylie Jenner, and she would be always

701
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 7: told that on TikTok, like every time she did anything.

702
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 6: Like it's Kylie's twin, It's Kylie's twin.

703
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 7: And Kylie, you know, she was always tagged and she

704
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 7: eventually like uh Campton on the girls thing and was like,

705
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 7: I'm gonna send you Kylie cosmetics, and you know, then

706
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 7: that goes viral, and I'm like, it's just smart to

707
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 7: play into that. If it was my business, I would

708
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter how famous or rich you are.

709
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: But I agree, I mean one thousand percent, because all

710
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: it is is keeping your name like relevant, especially in

711
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: like the social media world.

712
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 6: Exactly.

713
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: You brought up your husband wife, and y'all met and

714
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: got married quick, right, it was this real.

715
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 7: Quick, how well we got engaged within We met in June,

716
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 7: I think, and we got engaged in November or we

717
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 7: went in July and got engaged in November.

718
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 6: Maybe it was like.

719
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 7: Four months or so, wow, yeah, four months and then

720
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 7: we got married five months after that.

721
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: So two before you met, Like.

722
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 7: No, you we were married before we Yeah, I had

723
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 7: known each other for a year.

724
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: Did you date people? Like where have you dated and

725
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: been in relationships?

726
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 7: Or yeah, I got married when I was twenty one, Okay,

727
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 7: so I had dated, like I had a high school boyfriend.

728
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 7: I dated some people after that, but yeah, I mean

729
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 7: it was one of my first and like probably my

730
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 7: fourth relationship or something.

731
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: Is he also Mormon?

732
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 6: Yeah? We both grew up Mormon?

733
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 4: Do you still identify as Mormon?

734
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: Again? I'm really, I I'm I've really related with your

735
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: journey in this topic.

736
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 7: Not really, but do you know what's crazy is like

737
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 7: I still because did you grow up like religious?

738
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: I grew up surbing Orthodox and I am now Christian?

739
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 7: Okay, I for the first time, Like I'm talking like

740
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 7: a few weeks ago. I'm like just now getting comfortable

741
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 7: being like yeah, I don't really identify as that or

742
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 7: like yeah, I'm not really, I'm just like I distanced

743
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 7: my like I'm not into it. I still have not

744
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 7: even said the words out loud loud like I left

745
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 7: the church, like because it's so deeply ingrained into my

746
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 7: like identity.

747
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 6: I feel like, but no, I don't.

748
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 7: I don't identify with it anymore, and I don't really

749
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 7: align with the teachings or most of any of it.

750
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Was it hard now because I think we I always

751
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: often feel like people when they talk about kind of

752
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: like deconstructing their faith or like leaving their faith, all

753
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: you hear is kind of like the afterpart.

754
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: You don't hear the challenge of like going through it.

755
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's one of those things of

756
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: like navigating my faith and having questions about has been

757
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: like one of the most challenging things.

758
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: I've ever gone through.

759
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: And I mean, I I have my own beliefs in

760
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: what I believe, but I don't feel like people talk

761
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: about that. Did you experience that, Like it's almost like

762
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: you grieve something that.

763
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: You held so dear to you for your whole life?

764
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 6: You know, Yes, it is literally like stages of grief.

765
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 6: It's a really wild experience.

766
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 7: And what's interesting is like I have obviously had a

767
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 7: platform the entire time I've gone through it, but I

768
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 7: felt so uncomfortable like in that in that phase of

769
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 7: like not knowing which the ironies. I'm still in that

770
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 7: phase that I didn't feel comfortable like talking about in

771
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 7: public because.

772
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm still in the midst of this. I'm

773
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 6: not like on the other side yet.

774
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

775
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 7: But then I think it was probably like a year

776
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 7: or two ago I just like came out and basically

777
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 7: said that. I was like, I'm still in the midst

778
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 7: of like deconstructing all of this. I have no idea

779
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 7: what I believe if I'm going to be honest, and

780
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 7: so many girls were like thank you, Like I feel

781
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 7: the same exact way, and so, yeah, it's been a

782
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 7: huge it's it's been like a really massive journey. And

783
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 7: growing up Mormon is extramely like growing up in any

784
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 7: religion is a unique experience, but growing up Mormon, it's

785
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 7: very like restrictive for lack of a better word, and

786
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 7: very specific, and it's like leaving it is crazy, and

787
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 7: it's a really huge part of your identity in your world,

788
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 7: Like it has influenced every decision I've ever made up

789
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 7: until this point.

790
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, I imagine that that is really wild because

791
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: it was like it was an interesting time for me

792
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: because I was going to serve in Orthodox Church. It

793
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: was more formality than faith based for me, Like I

794
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: never felt this faith, never felt a connection like I

795
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: did when I started as an adult going to Christian church,

796
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: I felt this deep set like I felt like you

797
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it was just it was

798
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: more about the faith than the religion of it. And

799
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: so that was like a tough time with me and

800
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: like my parents navigating those conversations because you know that

801
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: it they feel like you're kind of turning your back

802
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: to something that is like you're culture and where you

803
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: came from. And it's just like it's hard to explain,

804
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: but it's like, as you grow, you need to to

805
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: be a part of things that feel good and feel

806
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: right to you as a as a human being, and

807
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: it is it's like a really tricky situation to be in.

808
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: So I respect that what you're going through because I

809
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: had to navigate it too.

810
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 7: It's I think it's so deeply a part of people's

811
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 7: identity that it feels very disrespectful to them or like

812
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 7: devastating honestly to them if you turn your back on

813
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 7: it or if you want to live life a different way.

814
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 7: They take it as like a hit to their parenting

815
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 7: or like, yeah, oh my gosh, where did I go wrong?

816
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 6: Like I get it too, Like I get it too,

817
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 6: I do.

818
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 7: And it makes me sad too, because I think I'll

819
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 7: just speak for like Mormonism.

820
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 6: I think it's so.

821
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 7: Fear based, like their reaction is quite literally like as Mormons,

822
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 7: you believe you have to do certain things in order

823
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 7: to get into the highest level of heaven, and so

824
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 7: if your kid is not doing those things, you literally

825
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 7: believe like I'm not going to see and the afterlife.

826
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 7: That's very heavy, that's very devastating. And like, so I understand,

827
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 7: like you said, it's like when people not like disown

828
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 7: their kids, but well that's an extreme, but even when

829
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 7: they're just like, oh, please come back to church, like

830
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 7: and to us I think in this generation, and it's like,

831
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 7: oh my gosh, get over it. But to them, they're

832
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 7: like this is life or death to me, Like I'm

833
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 7: literally not going to be with my kid in heaven.

834
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 7: And so I do feel compassion for that. But like

835
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 7: you said, you have to as you grow, you have to.

836
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 6: Do what makes your soul feel good. And that's what

837
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 6: I'm trying to do.

838
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: And I think that what you said about like every

839
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: decision you have made was based around your faith. I

840
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 2: relate to that so much. Like I made so many

841
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: decisions and lived my life so carefully based on religion

842
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: and my faith, and it I think now I'm kind

843
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: of like I almost feel like I exhausted myself trying

844
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: to be this like perfect person that was living by

845
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: this like fear based guideline of you know, what I

846
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: was supposed to do. And it's kind of been eye

847
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: opening because I'm now in my thirties and I'm like,

848
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, so much so much of my life

849
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: was just like making sure everyone was happy with me,

850
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: you know.

851
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 7: And a lot of people like leaving religions, they feel

852
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 7: a lot of betrayal because they feel like, oh my gosh,

853
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 7: kind of like what you just said, not that anything

854
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 7: is a waste, but like I still feel like that's

855
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 7: sometimes a little resentful for the way that I grew up,

856
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 7: just because I have friends who weren't really religious growing

857
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 7: up and they're so open minded and I like really

858
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 7: respect the way they think, and I'm like, couldn't be me,

859
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 7: Like I have so many limitations on my mindset because

860
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 7: of the way I grew up that was very restricted,

861
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 7: very specific, that sometimes I'm like, dang, I wish I

862
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 7: had like a more open mind to those things. Like

863
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 7: I'm trying now, but it's literally reprogramming your entire brain. Yeah,

864
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 7: but at the same time, I, you know, love and

865
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 7: respect a lot of the things that I gained by

866
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 7: growing up.

867
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: Really is such an interesting.

868
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: It's such an interesting conversation just because I feel like

869
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: it's so layered, and like, you know, people, I'm dating

870
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: a guy that's Jewish, and I get a lot of

871
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: comments from people being like, how can you be a

872
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Christian woman and dating a Jewish guy? And I'm like,

873
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: it's actually quite beautiful, you know, because he embraces my

874
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: traditions and my faith and I embrace his. And we're

875
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: having open dialogue about, you know, when we have a kid,

876
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: how we want to raise that kid and like have

877
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: them experience both and then maybe decide or you know

878
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, it's just like it's such a

879
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: beautiful way to be accepting of each other. And I

880
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: feel like that's kind of what has been missing in

881
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: religion or in faith. It's been it's been less acceptance

882
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 1: and more I don't know what the word is.

883
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 4: But like, well, I think it's just like respect for

884
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 4: each other.

885
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: And also everyone who's like part of a religion feels

886
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: very passionate that their religion is the only and right one,

887
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: And so I think it's like being able to open

888
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: your mind to hearing someone else's experience, so not immediately

889
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: feeling defensive or feeling like you're wrong for that is

890
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: a very beautiful thing to adapt to as a human being.

891
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 7: It makes it hard to be a good listener if

892
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 7: you have like an agenda, even if it's just internal,

893
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 7: if you have a specific agenda where you're like, Cause

894
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 7: I always say, growing up Mormon, it gives you a

895
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 7: superiority complex, even though again I didn't ask for that,

896
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 7: but it's like you literally grow up being like you

897
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: need to be a good example to these people, Like

898
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 7: it's sad that they don't have what you have, So

899
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 7: you grew up thinking you're literally better than everyone, just

900
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 7: being like I feel for them so deeply.

901
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 6: Now I'm like I'm cringing.

902
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 7: Oh. Like, as I'm older, I remember specifically going over

903
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 7: in like fifth grade, I didn't have many friends who

904
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 7: were not Mormon. Pretty much all my friends, my whole

905
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 7: circle was Mormon my entire upbringing, and I was friends

906
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 7: with this girl who was not Mormon. In fifth grade,

907
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 7: I went over to her house and her mom was

908
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 7: like in a tank top and like drinking a glass

909
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 7: of wine, which both of those things are huge no nos,

910
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 7: like from where I came from, and I literally was

911
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 7: like I could not even believe. I was like, oh

912
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 7: my gosh, like I can't. I remember they were maybe like, oh,

913
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 7: I'm mean have a birthday party and like sleep over,

914
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 7: and I was like, I definitely can't like sleep over.

915
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 7: I shouldn't even be in this house. I remember feeling

916
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 7: like very strong feelings of like I shouldn't be here

917
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 7: literally because of those two things. And they were the kindest,

918
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 7: sweetest people. And I again, it's like I can't shame

919
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 7: myself now for not knowing better, but in I just

920
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 7: can't wait to like raise my kids.

921
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 6: A little bit in a different way, Yeah, a little

922
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 6: more open mind.

923
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: Your husband going through the same thing as you.

924
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he.

925
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 7: I feel like his journey, I don't want to say

926
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 7: it was slower than mine, Like we've pretty much like

927
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 7: grown and evolved together. But there were times when I

928
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 7: would like be so like talking about it a lot,

929
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 7: like oh my gosh, what as I was deconstructing things

930
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 7: like now this doesn't make sense in this and he'd

931
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 7: just be like, for I don't know if it's like

932
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 7: men and women, but he's just less of an overthinker.

933
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 7: He's like, I mean yeah, and I'm like, why are

934
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 7: you mad? Like why don't you understand this or whatever?

935
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 7: And I remember specifically probably like the year or two

936
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 7: ago us kind of like really getting on the same page,

937
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 7: like him being like, I totally get where you're coming from.

938
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 6: I feel this way.

939
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 7: I feel the same way, and like, sure we have

940
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 7: a little bit of our differences with it, but we're

941
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 7: pretty like, yeah, you know, similar in our where we're

942
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 7: at now with it, which is really nice.

943
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like that would be to come

944
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: from the same place and be like on opposite pages

945
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: would be, I'm sure of challenge to navigate.

946
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: Do you like marriage?

947
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 6: Love it? I'm literally so passionate two them's up.

948
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 7: I am so passionate about like just giving the narrative

949
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 7: that marriage is like so fun and actually the best.

950
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 7: I really hate when it's like branded as this. She's like,

951
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 7: it's so hard but worth it. I'm like, no, it

952
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 7: literally doesn't have to be like yes, they're gonna be

953
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 7: hard moments. This is my personal belief and like my relationship, Yes,

954
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 7: I think there are hard moments, as there are with

955
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 7: anything like rewarding in life, but majority of it is just.

956
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 6: So fun and the best. That's how I feel.

957
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm happy to hear that because the.

958
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: Sometimes when people will be like that, that exactly what

959
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: you said.

960
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: It's so hard, but it's so worth it, and I'm.

961
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, is it like it's not like a triathlon.

962
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to have you heard the thing.

963
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 7: It's like the more like, the longer the Instagram posts

964
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 7: like yeah, the word more relationship like, the more suspicious

965
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 7: we should be like, I don't know, and.

966
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: Also I get might get pretty lanky, yours get pretty likey.

967
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can like profess my love.

968
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 7: But here's the thing, if if you if that's your

969
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 7: you know way with words, it doesn't have to be

970
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 7: one hundred percent of the time. It's just sometimes people

971
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 7: overcompensate by being like, you know, seriously, you know. I

972
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 7: marriage though, is weird, Like where I come from, you

973
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 7: literally get married when you're nineteen years old and have

974
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 7: kids during you're twenty two. And I have so many

975
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 7: friends that are already divorced, so it's like I have

976
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 7: a very I also feel like I have.

977
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 6: A weird skewed vision of like, yeah, marriage as well.

978
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Well. I do think I think coming from the same background,

979
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: like being in the South and Christians, like people get

980
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: married really young and then they have kids really young,

981
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: and then it's like by the time they're thirty, they're like,

982
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: what happened to my you know, what? Did I do

983
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: anything for myself? And I think that's more of the key,

984
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: is like making sure you still are doing, like you're

985
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: growing as a person and not just like, oh, I'm

986
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: doing what I'm supposed to do by society's guidelines.

987
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, just because that's what I'm supposed to do.

988
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 7: Have you talked about like your faith journey on your

989
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 7: podcasts and stuff?

990
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've talked about it.

991
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean I don't it's kind of com I don't

992
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: really know exactly what I believe. I believe I have

993
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: a relationship with God, and I feel like that part

994
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: has never really wavered because I think my faith has

995
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: been so important to me. But I have just you know,

996
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: in my relationship, specifically being with a woman.

997
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: I think that it's like.

998
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: I've watched people even though I know they're not God

999
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: or they're not supposed to not everyone represents God in

1000
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: the right way when you're what you were saying about

1001
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: being Mormon, where it's like we got to really show

1002
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 2: people an example and like this is a terrible example

1003
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: of this is what if this is what it looks

1004
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: like to be Christian? You know, and people are like

1005
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: you can't you can't walk away because of people, and

1006
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but I'm allowed to have questions about

1007
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: why the people that are supposed to be the most

1008
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: loving have been the most hateful and that is.

1009
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 7: So that is something that they say a lot within

1010
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 7: Mormonism as well as like it's not the doctrine, it's

1011
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 7: the culture. It's the culture, but like where did the

1012
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 7: culture come from? The culture doesn't appear out of thin air.

1013
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 7: The culture is brought up out of out of you

1014
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 7: know what I mean. It's like I think it's important

1015
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 7: and however you identify in whatever religion, it's important to

1016
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 7: still want to make things better.

1017
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 6: That's how I feel like, if you are very.

1018
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 7: Bought into an organized religion, it will take like being Mormon,

1019
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 7: for example, if you really believe that it's like no, no,

1020
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 7: it's just the culture. It's like, well then you I

1021
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 7: shouldn't like should on people, but like then you should

1022
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 7: try really hard to make the culture a better if

1023
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 7: you're going to be in this organization, Like that shouldn't

1024
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 7: be an excuse that we all just like, oh, well,

1025
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 7: that's just how we are. Like it's like, no, let's

1026
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 7: do better. Then, Let's be more accepting. Let's not judge.

1027
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: Other people for their choices, Like we.

1028
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 6: Don't want that. Can't we do better than that?

1029
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: You know?

1030
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I want thought, But I've had a lot of

1031
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: grieving with it, Like I've gone through a lot of like,

1032
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: you know, because it was it was so ingrained and

1033
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: it was never taught like it's okay to question, Like

1034
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: it felt like if you questioned it that that was

1035
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: like bad, Like you do not question what you've been taught.

1036
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: You don't question what the church is saying. And and

1037
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: I think like being able to get out of that

1038
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: mentality has been really hard because it's the same thing

1039
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: of like am I doing the right thing?

1040
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: You know?

1041
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard.

1042
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 7: You're taught also to not really trust yourself. That's how

1043
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 7: I felt growing up, is that you're literally taught to

1044
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 7: like not listen to your own intuition and like listen

1045
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 7: to other people and that's been like a huge and

1046
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 7: that's hard too. When I start listening to myself and

1047
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 7: and I'm like, wait for my evil, like am I

1048
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 7: literally am I path? Then I'm like, oh my gosh,

1049
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 7: so lately this is what I've been doing is because

1050
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 7: none of my family, all my family's still Mormon. And

1051
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 7: my mom literally has six or there's six kids in

1052
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 7: her family. All of them are still Mormon. All their

1053
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 7: kids are still Mormon. Like I'm talking, I'm like them

1054
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 7: the wild West right now for them. And sometimes I

1055
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 7: will feel like isolated or like I'm I'm like, am

1056
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 7: I crazy? And then I will like get so still

1057
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 7: with myself. I will literally pray and be like God,

1058
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 7: like I want to do what I want to live

1059
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 7: the best life I can, Like I'm trying to make

1060
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 7: right choices for me, Like if I'm not on the

1061
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 7: right path, please like help me know that I'm not

1062
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 7: on the right path. And I always feel just like

1063
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 7: immediate peace, and I'm like I feel like that's enough.

1064
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 7: Like I feel like if I'm feeling peaceful and I'm

1065
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 7: trying my best to be a good person and have

1066
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 7: a relationship with something greater than myself, like that's enough,

1067
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 7: you know.

1068
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: What has it been I mean, if you're comfortable talking

1069
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: about it, what has it been like having conversations with

1070
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: your family about that, because like that's a big family

1071
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: that's all believes one way for you to go in

1072
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: a different direction.

1073
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 7: My parents are amazing, and my dad specifically actually is

1074
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 7: super like open minded and very like he has questioned

1075
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 7: the church a lot as well, which I'm so grateful

1076
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 7: where he's actually the only person in my entire like

1077
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 7: extended family who has kind of been on that same wavelength.

1078
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 7: So I feel like very comfortable talking to him about

1079
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 7: those things. And I actually called him like six months

1080
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 7: ago and I was like, can I ask like why

1081
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 7: are you Mormon? Because he still goes to church a

1082
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 7: lot and like but I've heard him say like, ah, yeah,

1083
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 7: I don't buy into that or like I don't like

1084
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 7: this part of it. So I was like, why do

1085
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 7: you still go? And he like just cut. We just

1086
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 7: had like a pretty candid conversation about things. My parents

1087
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 7: and my siblings are really the only people I talked

1088
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 7: to it about. And it's not ever like I sit

1089
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 7: them down and I'm like, hey, like here's where I'm at,

1090
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 7: But like they'll just ask questions sometimes, like so you guys,

1091
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 7: you know, like they were in town and it was

1092
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 7: a Sunday, So are we like going to go to church?

1093
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 7: And I was like no, They're like okay, Like I

1094
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 7: don't know. I feel like they're pretty I've always been

1095
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 7: very much, very independent and very like I'm gonna do

1096
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna do. So I think that they really

1097
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 7: respect that I'm like an adult now, which I'm so

1098
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 7: grateful for because a lot of people don't have that

1099
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 7: same reality. And as far as the extended family, don't

1100
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 7: don't tell them like hope they're not listening, don't talk.

1101
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

1102
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 7: Talk about it very much. Like I'm sure they see

1103
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 7: my social media stuff and but I don't talk about

1104
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 7: it that much because it's like I also feel bad

1105
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 7: because I respect and love my family.

1106
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: So I'm like, yeah, I don't want them.

1107
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 7: To feel like I think they're dumb and that they're

1108
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 7: you know, I'm like, we have different paths and I'm

1109
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 7: trying to be respectful of that as well, which is hard.

1110
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing.

1111
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: It's got to be a two way street of like respecting, like, hey,

1112
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: if you believe this and you still believe this way

1113
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: or what you believe. I can respect you, but like

1114
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: respect the differences that I believe in.

1115
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, so exactly. I think that is a big part

1116
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 4: of it. You also have been really candid with your

1117
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: journey to start a family, and I wanted you to

1118
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 4: talk about this because I think we have a lot

1119
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: of our listeners who have been navigating this as they're

1120
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 4: like in the process of either getting married or wanting

1121
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 4: to start a family, and the struggle of like watching

1122
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 4: everyone else have success and be able to get pregnant

1123
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 4: and like not being able to do that yourself. When

1124
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 4: did you start trying, and like, what's that process been

1125
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: like for you?

1126
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 7: So I originally it's so crazy looking back on now,

1127
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 7: and it's actually interesting because the religion thing ties into

1128
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 7: it significantly. I feel like, just in a sense that again,

1129
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 7: and when you grow up you Mormon, you think like

1130
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 7: you have to get married and have kids immediately pretty much.

1131
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 7: And so I Lafe and I thought we were like

1132
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 7: waiting by being like, I want to all get pregnant

1133
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 7: when I'm like twenty five.

1134
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 6: That's like what we said.

1135
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 7: So I started trying when I was like twenty four

1136
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 7: because I was like oh, then by the time I'm

1137
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 7: twenty five, I'll have like my first kid. And so

1138
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 7: I'm twenty eight now, so it's been like almost four years.

1139
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 7: And I felt like I was living in these two

1140
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 7: worlds where in Arizona and in my circle, everyone was

1141
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 7: having kids like at a young age. I even felt late,

1142
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 7: like starting when I was twenty five, I'm like, well,

1143
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 7: it'll still be fine. And but then when we moved

1144
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 7: to California and like specifically being in LA, people.

1145
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 6: Are like, you're two years old.

1146
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 7: Like when I meet them, they're like, first of all,

1147
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 7: you look twelve, like you're already married. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

1148
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 7: I've been married for five years, like it's been a minute.

1149
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 7: And so I felt like I was living in these

1150
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 7: two alternate universes where it's like people do not even

1151
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 7: get married till they're like, you know, early thirties and

1152
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 7: don't even think about having kids, and then people who

1153
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 7: already have my you know, four children at this age.

1154
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 7: So yeah, we started trying and we realized so my

1155
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 7: husband life actually had childhood cancer. He had leukemia, and

1156
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 7: that's kind of what they point.

1157
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 6: To, like our fertility issues.

1158
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 7: So we're gonna do IVF actually this year, which I'm

1159
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 7: really excited about.

1160
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's.

1161
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 7: Been a journey because interestingly enough, like again, even though

1162
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 7: I do feel young, I am like the last of

1163
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 7: my friend group and my family you know, family members.

1164
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 6: To have kids.

1165
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 7: But this is so cliche, like everyone says it. But

1166
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 7: now where I'm at, like when we started trying, I

1167
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 7: was in the midst of like my faith journey crisis.

1168
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 6: Like I feel like I.

1169
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 7: Am so much more confident now and in such a

1170
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 7: better place to raise a child that I'm like grateful

1171
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 7: in hindsight that it hasn't happened and that we even

1172
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 7: have the option to do IVF, Like I'm super excited

1173
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 7: about that possibility. But yeah, it's it's hard when all

1174
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 7: your friends are telling you they're pregnant, if you're trying

1175
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 7: for years and they like just get pregnant in the

1176
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 7: first time, or it doesn't matter even if they tried

1177
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 7: for a few months, and then it's just constant. Like

1178
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 7: I told late, if I started to get on edge

1179
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 7: whenever i'd hang out with any of my friends, especially

1180
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 7: if I hadn't seen them for walks and' like they're

1181
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 7: gonna tell me they're pregnant, and sure enough, it was

1182
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 7: like constantly just like and I'm pregnant, and like I

1183
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 7: was just like, oh yeah, and I'm so that it's

1184
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 7: very hard. And what I've been trying to realize is

1185
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 7: like two things are allowed to be true at the

1186
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 7: same time. You're allowed to be so happy for your

1187
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 7: friends or your family, and you're allowed to be kind

1188
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 7: of bummed for yourself at the same time. That's like

1189
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 7: perfectly normal and perfectly okay, because I would feel so

1190
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 7: bad if I feel any negative feelings. So I'm like,

1191
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 7: this is the happiest moment of their life, and I'm.

1192
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 6: Literally like congrats.

1193
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: But that's okay, I think. So, I mean, we're human beings.

1194
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we feel like we have to be

1195
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: a certain way or we feel guilty for having like

1196
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: a genuine emotion.

1197
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 4: And I think that realizing even.

1198
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: We've talked about like when people are getting engaged, like

1199
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: Tanya want she's like just waiting for the ream, and

1200
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: so like, you know, when people are getting engaged, it's

1201
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: like okay, but it's okay to if you can be

1202
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: happy and be like I'm still waiting.

1203
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: And I definitely taught me that you can have two

1204
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: emotions with like this, the same situation can create two

1205
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: different emotions and that's perfectly fine. Yeah, Like I never together,

1206
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah I never had that kind of like life realization

1207
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: until recently.

1208
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 6: Same I would didn't know as possible.

1209
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm bad and I can be happy and

1210
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 7: said at the same time, yeah's perfectly normal.

1211
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 2: But I also do feel like, like just watching you

1212
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: just on through social media, I feel like you've done

1213
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: so much and like like discovered who you are as

1214
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: a person so much that like what a beautiful thing

1215
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: to have experienced that through this journey. And then like,

1216
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: when the time is right, you're gonna have a family

1217
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: and that's gonna be your life. And up until then,

1218
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: you just get to be the best version of yourself

1219
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: and like continue to grow, which is really not that

1220
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: you can't do that when you have kids, but you know,

1221
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: your perspective shifts a little bit. You focused on just

1222
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: raising a human being.

1223
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 7: And I think it's easy when you're going through something,

1224
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 7: just whether it is like you're waiting for an engagement,

1225
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 7: you're waiting to find the love of your life, you're

1226
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 7: waiting to have kids, it's so easy to fixate it

1227
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 7: on that and just be like, why isn't this happening?

1228
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 7: And I did that for like over two years, and

1229
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 7: then after we had a bunch of failed like fertility treatments,

1230
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 7: I was like, Okay, I want to take the next

1231
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 7: like six months off, which turned into a year, and

1232
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 7: I was like, I'm really going to try and like

1233
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 7: not like give up or something, but just like I'm

1234
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 7: going to try to live my life and not be

1235
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 7: like constantly just thinking about this. Yeah, And it was

1236
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 7: the best year of my life literally because and I

1237
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 7: truly was like successful at that I felt like, yeah,

1238
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 7: I had little moments where people tell me they're pregnant.

1239
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, dang, I'm kind of like bummed that

1240
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 7: our kids won't be the same age. But like, for

1241
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 7: the most part, I had such an incredible year because

1242
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 7: and I'm not saying it's that easy.

1243
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 6: It's just like, oh, just forget about it.

1244
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 7: But like I got to that point I've kind of

1245
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 7: I had to because I'm like I'm so miserable all

1246
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 7: the time, Like I literally have to just at some

1247
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 7: point give this up and be like, you know, when

1248
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 7: my control my control, I can't control it.

1249
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: I think that's important.

1250
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: I think with that with everything in life, Like we

1251
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: put so much focus and energy into something and then

1252
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: when it doesn't happen, when we get so exhausted that like,

1253
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 2: I think the key is being able to say, like,

1254
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: maybe I don't have control over the situation, and being

1255
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: able to release control, like let go of your grip.

1256
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 4: A little bit.

1257
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, is key to just like comforting too.

1258
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is your goal? Like what? What?

1259
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: What's your dream situation? What do you what are your

1260
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: dream aspirations in career and life?

1261
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, so many? Literally, you know, it's funny. On

1262
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 7: the way over here, I was like, maybe I'll write

1263
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 7: a book. I was like, maybe I'll write a book someday.

1264
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 7: That was the most random thought I had. I've literally

1265
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 7: never thought about that my entire life. So that dream

1266
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 7: started today. But I'm actually creating my own brand right now,

1267
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 7: which I have talked about a little bit, but I

1268
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 7: like I've had so many delays with it that I

1269
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 7: feel like that annoying person that's like they think, but

1270
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 7: I can't tell you any details, Like it's literally so annoying.

1271
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 7: But most of the stuff I've said so far as

1272
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 7: it's like not something that you wear. It's not like accessories.

1273
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 7: It's not clothing or anything like. I feel like it's

1274
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 7: kind of it's very on brand for me, but it's

1275
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 7: like kind of different. So I'm really excited about that.

1276
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 7: I could tell you more off air, but I'm super

1277
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 7: excited about that.

1278
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 6: So that's like.

1279
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 7: Really been my thing the past. I've been working on

1280
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 7: it for over two years, so that's like something that

1281
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 7: has been really heavily on my mind. And then for

1282
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 7: our podcast, we just went on tour and we have

1283
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 7: like two shows left. That's been really fun and like

1284
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 7: something that I didn't realize we would ever do.

1285
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 6: But I want to continue.

1286
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 7: With just the podcast and stuff, and then honestly just

1287
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 7: having a I'm super like my biggest passion in life

1288
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 7: is just like doing what you want to do and

1289
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 7: having everything that you want, Like I really believe that's

1290
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 7: possible for anyone, and I that's all I want for

1291
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 7: my life. Like I think that that changes a lot

1292
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 7: what I want specifically, but I just want to have

1293
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 7: like a happy family, a strong marriage, my dream home.

1294
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 7: I want to leave live in my dream location, and

1295
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 7: I want my kids to just have like a fun upbringing.

1296
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, at the end of the day,

1297
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 7: that's probably what I want the most, and then I

1298
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 7: want to be an entrepreneur. I want to do creative

1299
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 7: things my whole life, Like that is always going to

1300
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 7: be my goal. I've never had a normal job, normal

1301
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 7: quote unquote. I've just like always been my own boss

1302
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 7: since I was seventeen, and I kind of just always

1303
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 7: want to do that. I think that that makes me

1304
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 7: happy and it makes me feel really fulfilled to like

1305
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 7: just create things and make them come to life. So

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Speaker 7: I always want to be in that space.

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Speaker 4: I see that, I like see that for you.

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Speaker 2: I feel like just even talking to you, just your

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00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: like knowing yourself and knowing like your journey and what

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00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: you see for yourself. You're very like sure of it,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's a really cool like quality to

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00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: have because I think there's a lot of people who

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Speaker 2: feel uncertain, and I feel like you're very certain what

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Speaker 2: you want you just are like open to when it comes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 7: I think it's been work to get to that point,

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Speaker 7: but I do feel that way. I feel like really

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Speaker 7: grateful for the current mindset headspace that I'm at.

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Speaker 4: Well, where can everyone follow you?

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Speaker 2: On TikTok, YouTube, Instagram.

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Speaker 4: JC Jenner no.

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Speaker 7: You can still find me Instagram. I still post Yeah,

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Speaker 7: JC Murray Smith Nite. That's my handle on everything jac

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00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 7: Is jac I and I will be changing it soon

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Speaker 7: on everything to JC Jenner say, stay tuned.

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Speaker 6: I would love to do that.

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Speaker 7: I wonder if I would lose my verification, but then

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Speaker 7: I can just buy it.

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Speaker 3: That totally buy it back. Maybe it's a fun April

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Speaker 3: Fool's joke.

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Speaker 4: True, just past that would have been need to do.

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Speaker 3: Earlier your counter for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I need to secure that user name now that

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 7: I'm saying that, before this goes live, I need to

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Speaker 7: secure that user name.

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Speaker 2: I'm manifesting a eight one eight collab.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, I kindle Jenner collab. I mean, thank you.

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Speaker 4: The possibilities of a TikTok together are endless.

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Speaker 7: So it's like, Kendall, come on, She's like, I'm literally

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Speaker 7: the highest paid supermodel in the world.

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Speaker 6: I don't need you, but you know we could create

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Speaker 6: a product together. You never know, you never know.

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Speaker 2: I think you're more creative than she is, So I

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Speaker 2: think there's potential there for her to grow as a

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Speaker 2: as a creator herself.

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Speaker 4: And first we'll see what happens. Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 4: It's so much fun u

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Speaker 6: U