Speaker 1: All media.
Speaker 2: There are things that are said to you or said
Speaker 2: around you that I think sometimes are not purposefully coded,
Speaker 2: because if you grew up in it, you just you
Speaker 2: know what this person is saying. Other things are purposefully coded,
Speaker 2: but they are clues as to what's being truly communicated
Speaker 2: to you. And I know you know, as you guys
Speaker 2: entered pop culture and especially interface with like street culture,
Speaker 2: black culture, you may hear somebody say what I love
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: You think it's cute to just say stuff like, you know.
Speaker 2: We bicking back being bool, Oh that's brazy, you know,
Speaker 2: saying a bee instead of a C for crazy, But
Speaker 2: all that means something. They have origins and you may
Speaker 2: not know what you're actually communicating here. You may notice
Speaker 2: that artists like yg you know, whenever you reading the
Speaker 2: word crazy, it's with a K, you know, and you
Speaker 2: heard you heard Kendrick say many times brazy. There are
Speaker 2: reasons for that, and the listener almost on some like
Speaker 2: he who has ears to hear, let the hearer hear.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: In other words, there's what's being said and there's what's
Speaker 2: being communicated. Or if you've if you have any relationship
Speaker 2: with the significant other you understand the difference.
Speaker 1: There's what you said and there's what was heard, what.
Speaker 2: Was communicated, the difference somebody introduced you as they cause,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, what's up?
Speaker 1: Cause?
Speaker 2: Or YO this my cousin, or YO this my relly?
Speaker 2: What's our relative?
Speaker 1: What else? Can folk?
Speaker 2: I personally oftentimes use cause can folk really really interchangeably?
Speaker 2: Because I'm not an active gang member? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I just grew up in a certain part
Speaker 2: of town, and I understand and respect the people for
Speaker 2: which I might be speaking to. I understand if I
Speaker 2: were too, you know, in some strange twist of events
Speaker 2: happened to meet YG, I would say, oh what out
Speaker 2: can't folk like? I would introduce myself like that. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like, oh, without can't fuck prop?
Speaker 2: You know, just I'm being respectful. You may not think that,
Speaker 2: but I know I'm being respectful. Words matter, and even
Speaker 2: words that seem interchangeable matter. Let's go ahead and talk
Speaker 2: about not a ceasefire, but a humanitarian pause hood politics, y'all.
Speaker 2: Ah man, I'm actually I was very surprised that there
Speaker 2: was enough of these goings on to actually record a
Speaker 2: full episode of this. You see people all over the
Speaker 2: streets screaming for a ceasefire, but you see our president
Speaker 2: talking about a humanitarian pause, and you see, oh, Benny,
Speaker 2: who is like with the shits talk about I ain't
Speaker 2: no ceasefire, but I'm cool with a humanitarian pause. Irby,
Speaker 2: are we not saying the same thing, Nigga? Like what
Speaker 2: the what are you talking? I'm just saying, like, stop shooting.
Speaker 2: It's people like that. Okay, tomato tomato. Now it ain't
Speaker 2: tomato tomato. We're gonna get into it today. And I'm
Speaker 2: positive you knew it wasn't tomato tomato. You knew there
Speaker 2: was a reason for this, and the same reason I
Speaker 2: would introduce myself to YG. I'd be like, what'sall, hommy?
Speaker 2: What else can folk? I would say something like that
Speaker 2: to him. And there's other things I wouldn't say, like
Speaker 2: with us line what out five? I wouldn't say that
Speaker 2: to him because it would communicate something about myself that's
Speaker 2: actually not true other than just being respectful to him.
Speaker 2: I know I'm getting into weeds here, but if you're
Speaker 2: from here, you grew up around this, you get it.
Speaker 2: But let me make it a little more open and palatable
Speaker 2: to the rest of our audience. When I first started touring,
Speaker 2: like touring hard, hitting the road pretty hard. The DJ
Speaker 2: I mostly toured with was my man Effect though you know,
Speaker 2: rest in Peace from Long Beach, Filipino. Dude, he was
Speaker 2: an Enneagram nine, but uh it was just such a
Speaker 2: such a wonderful, wonderful guy pass away in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: But before I was hitting the roll hard with Effect,
Speaker 2: I was hitting a row hard with my man, DJ Promote,
Speaker 2: who now lives in Korea Town and we run Club
Speaker 2: real Ones every First Sunday. Pull up on me if
Speaker 2: you out here Long Beach, California. Actually, dude, it's a destination.
Speaker 2: Come pull up on us every First Sunday day party
Speaker 2: three pm, seven pm, Long Beach, California.
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we would get these gigs, and some of these
Speaker 2: gigs would be and if you know my history, you
Speaker 2: know I had a soiree into the sort of church
Speaker 2: music world world as a hip hop spoken word artists.
Speaker 2: I've always kind of bounced between both of those art
Speaker 2: forms and also both of these worlds, you know of
Speaker 2: sort of religious space for music. But also you know,
Speaker 2: I was open for day last soul. I was out
Speaker 2: on the road, y'all know me, Like, you know, I
Speaker 2: just love hip hop. I go where hip hop is. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we will be at these events and we'll be working
Speaker 2: on a set and I'd be like, all right, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: so so like what songs you want to do? You know,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to promo like I will probably do like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe this poem, this poem, crowd scene, how
Speaker 2: is that crowd seeing or they seem like you know,
Speaker 2: they high school in college.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's do this.
Speaker 2: Then I would ask the person that brought me out, like, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you guys like?
Speaker 1: So what were you guys thinking? Like what are you
Speaker 1: guys expecting?
Speaker 2: Like do you like, you know, you feel like you
Speaker 2: want something a little more poetic, kind of stripped down.
Speaker 2: You want them to jump, you want to bounce, you
Speaker 2: want to throw your party? Like you what are you
Speaker 2: looking for? And they would say, oh, you know this,
Speaker 2: We just want you to like, you know, do you like,
Speaker 2: you know, do what you feel, do what you think
Speaker 2: the Lord is telling you to do, you know, and
Speaker 2: you know, do what you feel. We just want you
Speaker 2: to feel free. We love your poetry. You do what
Speaker 2: you feel like you want us to do. And I'll
Speaker 2: be like, all right, dope, okay, so I'm thinking we'll
Speaker 2: do this song and this song you know, and.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, oh, yeah, no, we like that.
Speaker 2: We really love your poetry, you know, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys work it out. And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: you know this be like down South or something, you know,
Speaker 2: and promote my man.
Speaker 1: But he from the South, so promote grew up in Texas.
Speaker 2: You would never guess, but he grew up in Texas
Speaker 2: and like nowhere Isville, Texas. And he was like, they
Speaker 2: want you to do poetry. And I was like, what
Speaker 2: he just said for me to do what I feel?
Speaker 2: And he's like, he said for you to do poetry.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what I don't like? He said he
Speaker 2: liked the poetry, so let's do some pots. He's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't understand. He's telling you to do a poetry.
Speaker 2: Said you don't speak Southern, and I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I don't as you talking. He was like, bro, like
Speaker 2: when he says he really loves your poetry, I was
Speaker 2: like oh. And then it started happening more and more
Speaker 2: and I started seeing it.
Speaker 1: I was like Oh that's what you mean.
Speaker 2: Oh, so you won't say what you mean, You'll just
Speaker 2: infer it. I'm from the coast. I say what I mean, like,
Speaker 2: if you wanted poetry, like.
Speaker 1: I just I'm asking. I'm like, I asked you the question,
Speaker 1: like if it was if I was just gonna.
Speaker 2: Do me, I wouldn't have asked you. But I asked you, like,
Speaker 2: what did you desire? You said, do me, and you
Speaker 2: suggested that you liked my poetry, So that meant I
Speaker 2: should consider that in my decision making process.
Speaker 1: But it's my decision. Promotes like he's.
Speaker 2: Requesting poetry, and I was like, all right, well let's
Speaker 2: do a poetry, said.
Speaker 1: I just then I'll know what I flew you out for.
Speaker 2: If I'm just gonna do some spoken word, I don't
Speaker 2: need a DJ like. I wish he would have told
Speaker 2: me this before I bought all these flights. So Promote
Speaker 2: was telling me that words were being communicated at another
Speaker 2: level that I just didn't understand. But if I spoke
Speaker 2: that culture, I would have understood, because according to Promote,
Speaker 2: what he's teaching me is it would have been rude
Speaker 2: to just tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: That would have been offensive.
Speaker 2: Even though I asked, you know, and in my mind,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you just I mean, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: You just you're still just telling me what you want
Speaker 1: me to do. But it's not the same.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna go back to these, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: more street examples. Now, keep in mind, even going to
Speaker 2: these street examples, this stuff can vary by region, by
Speaker 2: age group.
Speaker 1: You probably got fuck in your family that would be like,
Speaker 1: this is not at all like that. It maybe you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm speaking on my own experience right.
Speaker 2: Now. In a lot of ways, gang banging has evolved
Speaker 2: in that, at least when you're out here, you're not
Speaker 2: so much looking at colors or even language spoken, although
Speaker 2: sometimes that's a big clue.
Speaker 1: You're looking for.
Speaker 2: Sports teams or colleges on the hats that will tell
Speaker 2: you who you're.
Speaker 1: Actually dealing with.
Speaker 2: You know, you would you would think it funny to
Speaker 2: see a whole group of fans of the Pittsburgh Pirates
Speaker 2: baseball team out here. But that's there's a reason for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah you don't. You don't want to be no Pirates
Speaker 2: fan out here that matters. North Carolina tar Heels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: a Tar Heels fan out here.
Speaker 2: These things they're they're commune, municating like sets, they're communicating gangs.
Speaker 2: And a lot of that was due to the fact
Speaker 2: that colors were too easy, not only for y'all out
Speaker 2: but for the police. You know, it was too easy
Speaker 2: to figure out who was, you know, involved in what.
Speaker 2: So there's this just network of rules that I'm so
Speaker 2: old now that I would be like dog, I needed somebody,
Speaker 2: need to hand me a rubric.
Speaker 1: So just you're pretty safe, you're where.
Speaker 2: If you're pretty safe, you're if you're in LA and
Speaker 2: you were in a Lakers jersey, it's pretty it's.
Speaker 1: Fine because everybody loves the Lakers, you know.
Speaker 2: But a Dodgers or a Dodgers fitted you know, Yankees
Speaker 2: fitted Angels fitted cap that actually means something too, I know.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, on the other hand, if you're just you know,
Speaker 2: writer and Tyler and Skyler, I don't know why y'all
Speaker 2: all rhyme and you're just you're on your guys trip.
Speaker 2: You know, you're from Indiana. You're on your guys trip,
Speaker 2: just like visiting you know, major league stadiums, just for
Speaker 2: your own you're fine. Where the team mute? You clearly
Speaker 2: not involved in this life. Don't don't be scared, like
Speaker 2: it's fine. Okay, this isn't the movies. You know, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna listen. You're fine. You go, you get off
Speaker 2: at Lax, you know, you go see the man Chinese Theater.
Speaker 2: Go get your hot dog, you know, go cruise Melrose,
Speaker 2: go to Dodger Stadium, go see you know, Chefez Ravine
Speaker 2: and just enjoy yourself. Okay, go to Disneyland, you know,
Speaker 2: rep your favorite you know, sooner, You're fine.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it's that's not what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Okay, so like, don't don't sensationalize what I mean here,
Speaker 2: Go to Venice Beach. You know, be a Boston Red
Speaker 2: Sox fan. It's fine, all right, just don't be a
Speaker 2: Boston Celtics fan. But anyway, the brazy stuff, oh you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like oh that you know, using
Speaker 2: k's instead of sees traditionally, that comes from you know,
Speaker 2: kind of blood tradition. A lot of this stuff is
Speaker 2: like oh niggas, Like, oh, niggas still do this shit,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And remember I'm I'm including
Speaker 2: myself in that. So rather than say like you always
Speaker 2: hear me all the time, like say what else? Cause
Speaker 2: like cousin is short for cousin, But it's also communicating
Speaker 2: that I grew up around cryps. So if I were
Speaker 2: to meet YG, I would say ken folk. One it
Speaker 2: starts with a K, and two it's just respectful. I
Speaker 2: know that he's not a cryp. I know a part
Speaker 2: of town. I would be like, what I really like?
Speaker 2: That's me respecting his space, you know. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to use a term that is cause I'm trying to
Speaker 2: be respectful. I'm not trying to bang on him, right.
Speaker 2: But like I said, if I'd have been like what else?
Speaker 2: Line what a five? Like, those are phrases that would
Speaker 2: communicate that I am also an active blood and I
Speaker 2: am not same thing if I would have met if
Speaker 2: I were to meet a crib, I wouldn't call them
Speaker 2: low because that's again communicating that I.
Speaker 1: Am in the trenches.
Speaker 2: I'm in the field with him, and I'm not fam
Speaker 2: I'll hear them Latino hoods.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: If I were to be like you know Thresse or
Speaker 2: or fourteen Thresa or Guadorce, like you're talking Nathaniel and
Speaker 2: Sodenio like which is like northern or Southerner, which is
Speaker 2: more how their sort of situation kind of plays out. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I'm not a cholo, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: I ain't no vatho. I just grew up over here,
Speaker 2: and I know how to speak respectfully to them. I
Speaker 2: understand that that is y'all's war.
Speaker 1: I would I.
Speaker 2: Would not mean any harm. I'm just from the Sword.
Speaker 2: I'm just from southern California. So did I say, because
Speaker 2: I'm just from this part of town. If I were
Speaker 2: to meet someone from the north, I would respect the
Speaker 2: fact that you know, they from the north.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: Fourteen You know what I'm saying now? What those numbers mean?
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. And even if I knew, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just know that's what they called each other. The
Speaker 2: point is I understand that they communicate things. It's hoods
Speaker 2: out here that are all called something thirteen Florence thirteen.
Speaker 2: You heard that, you know, with your threats, say like
Speaker 2: these are hoods out here, these these thirteens mean something.
Speaker 1: They mean southern California.
Speaker 2: It would be disrespectful for me to address a person basically,
Speaker 2: it's like you're miss you know, you're misgendering a person
Speaker 2: like yo. That's that's disrespectful. Even if you no matter. Look,
Speaker 2: I don't care where you fall on the pronouns. It's
Speaker 2: just if somebody asked you to call them something, call
Speaker 2: them something, that's right. It's you just being courteous, you
Speaker 2: being respectful. I understand these words mean something to you,
Speaker 2: and if they mean something to you, they mean something
Speaker 2: to me. Now when the stakes are high enough to
Speaker 2: where we might be talking violence or.
Speaker 1: All out war, that shit matters. Now let's talk about
Speaker 1: Israel Hamas.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now you've gotten to peak up as to
Speaker 2: what it would be like if you you know, what's
Speaker 2: trying to communicate while outside you feel me. Let's take
Speaker 2: it there to this conflict we were experiencing or we're
Speaker 2: watching happen now, because again, words matter, weint experiencing it,
Speaker 2: we just watching it unless you really plugged in over there,
Speaker 2: because yeah, there's the news. Don't do it justice if
Speaker 2: you understand what I mean, he who has hears to hear.
Speaker 2: Now I want to address a few terms. I want
Speaker 2: to address ceasefire versus humanitarian pause from the river to
Speaker 2: the sea. I want to talk about that. I want
Speaker 2: to talk about occupied territory. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: this is the heavy one. To me, the remember what
Speaker 2: the Amalekites did phrase if you grew up in church,
Speaker 2: then this one, this one heavy dog.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get started.
Speaker 2: So a ceasefire is exactly what you think it is.
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, we just it's a triage, right, we
Speaker 2: just need to stop the bleeding. It's too many people dying.
Speaker 2: It's too much bloodshed on both sides of this thing.
Speaker 2: The world is like listen. First of all, everyone knew
Speaker 2: we were no closer to peace or a solution on
Speaker 2: January sixth than we were January seventh, and now we
Speaker 2: ain't no closer to even matter of fact, we further
Speaker 2: away from a solution. The reality is, again, if you
Speaker 2: can transport yourself to the founding of the USA, the
Speaker 2: Americans ain't leaving like they not gonna leave. And while
Speaker 2: the Natives are fighting for their life, fighting for their land,
Speaker 2: fighting for their history, their their heritage, their posterity. The
Speaker 2: reality is, and I know that they knew, these white
Speaker 2: folks ain't leaving. They're not gonna leave, And I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you do? You fight to the death right,
Speaker 2: but if you but if the internet exists, I would
Speaker 2: imagine the world would be calling for a cease fire.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna get into the next episode some even
Speaker 2: more nuanced and stuff that if you was paying attention,
Speaker 2: you probably caught already. But I'm gonna say that for
Speaker 2: next week because now I just won't talk about the words. Right,
Speaker 2: So a ceasefire is something that's obvious, Like I mean,
Speaker 2: do you got a soul, nigga, Like y'all gotta stop
Speaker 2: shooting at each other man, like I don't. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: at least for now, Like I'm not saying I know
Speaker 2: I know the answer, nigga. I'm just saying, like this shit,
Speaker 2: like y'all, this shit ain't working, like niggas is just
Speaker 2: dying out here. Everybody dog all hospital blown, you feel me, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, fam, y'all gotta stop shooting. Like that's just
Speaker 2: it's just obvious. And the power dynamic between Hamas and
Speaker 2: the Israeli government is just it's almost laughable.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like if it's not as though Harmas are chumps
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: They're not chumps like they got.
Speaker 2: They squabbles clearly, right, and they organized enough. And it's
Speaker 2: and and and let me give a side note here.
Speaker 2: To understand Hamas is to understand the thing I used
Speaker 2: to say about the Black Panthers, which is, like you
Speaker 2: ask ten different panthers what the panthers are, You're gonna
Speaker 2: get ten different answers.
Speaker 1: Right in that sense, they're the same.
Speaker 2: In some senses, hamas desire is to just be a
Speaker 2: boring bureaucracy government, like one party system. They got offices, nigga,
Speaker 2: you could like email them and just be like yo,
Speaker 2: it's up. And then you got wild boys that are
Speaker 2: like nigga, we bout that action.
Speaker 1: Like they want to be taken serious.
Speaker 2: They want to be a government, right and if they
Speaker 2: a government, then it's up to the people in Palestine
Speaker 2: to decide whether they fuck with them or not. Let
Speaker 2: them decide whether they like Hamas or not. Does that
Speaker 2: make sense that so there's there's there's that to understand,
Speaker 2: which in the same way that Joe Biden, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and the US government ain't me, Hamas ain't palace. It's
Speaker 2: reductive and may be accurate that you know they're a
Speaker 2: terrorist group. You say that about the US military, they
Speaker 2: just got more badges. I mean, I'm not conflating. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying the words matter. What we calling these people matter.
Speaker 2: They communicate things that go beyond what is being said now.
Speaker 2: A ceasefire is something that is plain and obvious to
Speaker 2: anyone with a soul. No one wants to see their
Speaker 2: grandma died, So what the hell is a humanitarian pause?
Speaker 1: What the phrase matters?
Speaker 2: This is why it matters, because what Benjamin net and
Speaker 2: Yahoo is saying is that if I agree to a ceasefire,
Speaker 2: I'm basically calling myself a bitch, and I'm giving them
Speaker 2: time to regroup. He's like, I need to lead, keep
Speaker 2: the pressure on them. This the only way I'm gonna
Speaker 2: win this shit is if I beat these niggas to
Speaker 2: a pole, if I show that I am so with
Speaker 2: the shits, that I'm so about that action, that they
Speaker 2: get no break. I'm gonna find y'all. Don't care where
Speaker 2: your ma mistake? Where your grandma mistake? Nigga, I don't
Speaker 2: care about shit you think to give a fuck about
Speaker 2: your daughter, Nigga, I'll shoot her through her Damn stroller,
Speaker 2: which is essentially the attitude that Benjamin That and Yahoo
Speaker 2: and the armies of Israel trying to say, I don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck about no damn civilian nigga, you live
Speaker 2: over there, you wanted them, is what is the attitude.
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, ain't no ceasefire. Ain't no ceasefire. Right, No,
Speaker 2: ain't no peace. Killed my cousin back in ninety four, nigga,
Speaker 2: fuck your truths like that's kind of where he at.
Speaker 2: But I will agree to not a ceasefire. But I
Speaker 2: don't need to smoke for the rest of the world
Speaker 2: from the rest of the world. If the rest of
Speaker 2: the world said I don't need to smoke from the
Speaker 2: UN I don't need to smoke from my greatest ally
Speaker 2: as in the USA, because if you make an enemy
Speaker 2: out of the USA, I mean, it's you in a
Speaker 2: different situation. Israel not afraid to take on all of
Speaker 2: the air of nations if they know they got the
Speaker 2: USA on their side, because it could come down to that.
Speaker 1: It could have.
Speaker 2: It didn't, thank the Lord God Almighty, but it could have. Right,
Speaker 2: So he not scared if he know he got the
Speaker 2: USA behind him. But if he lose the USA. Oh, Man,
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get too cocky. They don't want a
Speaker 2: lot of wars. They have fought off. They have fought
Speaker 2: off everybody who has came after them, but they've also
Speaker 2: had they come the USA with them. Anyway, I'll agree
Speaker 2: to a humanitarian pause, which is basically saying, for the
Speaker 2: sake of you getting your aid in, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: shoot at these people trying to get aid. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna stop the aid from coming in. I'll give y'all
Speaker 2: a four hour window. But just know my finger on
Speaker 2: the trigger, to which me and you would say, nigga,
Speaker 2: that's a ceasefire. I don't understand what, nigga, that's what
Speaker 2: is you talking about? That's a ceasefire, right, But it's
Speaker 2: not because the words matter.
Speaker 1: They was talking about right now.
Speaker 2: The hospital in Gaza is out of fuel, out of gas,
Speaker 2: and Israel's like, all right, we'll give y'all this many
Speaker 2: gallons of gas. Palestine like, nigga, that's gonna last a
Speaker 2: half hour. You could keep your gas.
Speaker 1: Because that's such a diss right.
Speaker 2: So that's why they like, man, I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear shit about this humanitarian pause.
Speaker 1: That's some bullshit. We know what you're saying. What you're
Speaker 1: saying is you're not gonna stop shooting, but you don't
Speaker 1: want to leave the good graces of your home. Why
Speaker 1: America would jump in and say this, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: kind right now to America for no particular reason, but
Speaker 1: just to be generous in this reading. If America jumps
Speaker 1: in and says we're calling for a ceasefire, you lose
Speaker 1: all credibility with that.
Speaker 2: And Yahoo, now you can't talk to him. Now, you
Speaker 2: ain't got no right to interface with him. But if
Speaker 2: you publicly be like yeah, humanitarian. Pause, when you shut
Speaker 2: the door, you can still talk to them and be like, Bam,
Speaker 2: you are tripping. Bro, this shit gotta stop. Cuz like
Speaker 2: I understand you, Herd, I understand you got the right
Speaker 2: to defend yourself, and look I got your back outside. Listen, listen,
Speaker 2: there's one thing if you was raised by a black mama,
Speaker 2: there's one thing you know the rule in this house.
Speaker 1: Dub listen, do not. I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you. I would argue this is the
Speaker 2: top rule, the top rule. If you got a black mama,
Speaker 2: don't embarrass me in public. Don't you contradict me in public.
Speaker 2: Don't you tell me no in public? Don't you ever
Speaker 2: in public? Because what mama gonna do. She gonna calmly say, oh,
Speaker 2: wherever we at, she gonna say, Okay, I think it's
Speaker 2: time to head out, son, go get your stuff. Okay, babe,
Speaker 2: all right, well I see you next week. We could
Speaker 2: be at church. He's like, God, bless you, you know,
Speaker 2: and now and now I want to him who was
Speaker 2: able to keep you from falling? All right, sister, God,
Speaker 2: bless you, God keep you made the Lord watch between
Speaker 2: me and thee while we're absent one from another.
Speaker 1: You think you good?
Speaker 2: As soon as you get in the car, the door shut,
Speaker 2: the window go up. Nigga, who do you think you is?
Speaker 1: Taugh?
Speaker 2: I ain't one of your little friends. How the unmitigated call.
Speaker 2: That's what black mamas like to say. Nigga, you finna
Speaker 2: get it. Listen, listen. She gonna wear you out when
Speaker 2: you get home. Why because you embarrassed her in public.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, you gotta keep it g in public
Speaker 2: when you're home. Even I don't care how dumb you're
Speaker 2: homie acting, you gotta keep it g in public. And
Speaker 2: then when you get home, when the door shut. You
Speaker 2: could be like, Fam, you are bugging right now.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: But nigga, like you ain't got to do all this shit,
Speaker 2: Like God, he gonna be like you don't know, you
Speaker 2: don't know. It's like nigga, look man, like you're gonna
Speaker 2: get to a place where I'm gonna be like you
Speaker 2: on your own, Fam, Like you can't be you expect
Speaker 2: us to just show up all the time, Bro, Like
Speaker 2: you see me, you see me riding for you out here,
Speaker 2: but like you blow up the hospital cuz like I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't scramble the troops on me, like
Speaker 2: we can't come, We can't come, We can't help. You
Speaker 2: gonna act like this you want us to help you, Like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you gotta chill. So you agree to the phrasing humanitary pause,
Speaker 2: because again the words are communicating something more than the words.
Speaker 2: What you're saying is you get to you could keep
Speaker 2: riding just like damn, have a little heart, because I
Speaker 2: can't help you if you.
Speaker 1: Don't have a little heart. Humanitarian pause.
Speaker 2: Next, I only talk about the phrase river to the
Speaker 2: sea Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, and the word
Speaker 2: picture is just that they're saying that all of this
Speaker 2: land from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean seat this
Speaker 2: was Palestine.
Speaker 1: That's Palestine.
Speaker 2: So from a geographical perspective, you're talking about the land.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The phrase can mean a lot of different things and
Speaker 2: can be interpreted a lot of different ways. This phrase
Speaker 2: can be weaponized, very similar to Black Lives Matter, very
Speaker 2: similar to critical race theory, you know, Woke. This phrase
Speaker 2: river to the sea has gone through a lot of
Speaker 2: these sort of bastardizations weaponizing. They just mean a lot
Speaker 2: of different things. Now, the most aggressive reading is this idea,
Speaker 2: Like we said that, like Israel shouldn't exist, Like this
Speaker 2: is a one state solution, like this region is like y'all,
Speaker 2: like I don't understand what everybody don't understand. They are
Speaker 2: the occupiers, Like this is so this is so simple.
Speaker 2: This is a colonization and a stripping of rights and
Speaker 2: humanity of the indigenous population.
Speaker 1: Very simple.
Speaker 2: And the only way for us to have peace is
Speaker 2: for y'all to go river to the sea.
Speaker 1: Everywhere. Y'all don't belong here.
Speaker 2: I don't care, not in my backyard, nigga, I don't
Speaker 2: care where you go, just not here, right, That's one.
Speaker 1: Reading of the idea of river to the sea.
Speaker 2: Another reading is Roal saying the same thing like basically Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine,
Speaker 2: all of it's ours, all of it's to promised land,
Speaker 2: so they say river to the sea. That is also
Speaker 2: an eradication. Some use it in terms of like we
Speaker 2: just want peace in this region from the Jordan River
Speaker 2: all the way to the Mediterranean Sea. We just want
Speaker 2: to see peace, Like how can we coexist?
Speaker 1: You feel me? So it means multiple things in you
Speaker 1: in particular contexts Now, y'all.
Speaker 2: May have seen the only Palestinian congress person we have
Speaker 2: get censured over using the phrase from the river to
Speaker 2: the sea.
Speaker 1: It'll be the.
Speaker 2: Same way as me losing gigs for saying black lives matter,
Speaker 2: where it's like nigga they do. Though, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: You're a part of BLM. Black Lives Matter is a
Speaker 2: nonprofit organization and no, I've never paid dues to it.
Speaker 2: But do black lives matter?
Speaker 1: Yes? I don't like.
Speaker 2: If you want to read this in the most cynical
Speaker 2: way you can, you just are being stupid and you're
Speaker 2: weaponizing a phrase that don't have to be that black
Speaker 2: lives matter, don't mean, nobody else's life don't matter. It
Speaker 2: don't mean that at all, except in some people's mouth
Speaker 2: maybe a do. But you know, coming out of my mouth,
Speaker 2: that's not what I meant. So we knew coming out
Speaker 2: of our congresswoman's mouth that ain't what she meant.
Speaker 1: She wasn't talking about the eradication of Israel. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: even in this discussion, like the idea of a one
Speaker 1: state or two state solution right river to the sea,
Speaker 1: there's a thing that a two state solution would be.
Speaker 2: Like Nigga, just let Palestine be a country. Like just
Speaker 2: I don't understand why you making this so difficult. You
Speaker 2: done already chunked off, you know, eighty percent of a
Speaker 2: land like damn, Nigga, Gaza in West Bank, they used
Speaker 2: to have to go Line Heights cause you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like Nigga, just man, chill, just let them
Speaker 2: they fighting you cause you won't leave them the fuck alone.
Speaker 2: Like just shit, bro, Like you just keep like even
Speaker 2: even in the West Bank, like Nigga, you got Israeli settlements,
Speaker 2: like nigga, just shit, man, Just sign a deal and
Speaker 2: make a fucking border like you don't have to, Like
Speaker 2: why do you have to have it all right?
Speaker 1: That's like the two state solution, just let them be
Speaker 1: a thing. Israel like, well, if.
Speaker 2: They exist, our safety is in danger. We can't handle
Speaker 2: two state solution. We have to control them because they're danger.
Speaker 2: That's that's Israel's argument. Another one is Israel's arguments is like, yo,
Speaker 2: we tried. We keep offering them things like yo, we
Speaker 2: let Hamas govern like we just backed out, we left
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, like we let Hamas govern
Speaker 2: West or governed Gaza, like and look what this shit
Speaker 2: turned out to be?
Speaker 1: Like what you like?
Speaker 2: What more do you want? Like we trying. They don't
Speaker 2: believe in compromise. Aw y'all mad at us damn is
Speaker 2: their argument, to which the Palestinians are like, nigga, you
Speaker 2: call this a compromise. You can't be serious, Like this
Speaker 2: is an un that is an unseerious statement, like you
Speaker 2: cannot you cannot actually.
Speaker 1: Believe that you're leaving us alone? You could this is
Speaker 1: not a what you've giving us.
Speaker 2: You're giving us these ugly ass three sixty record deals
Speaker 2: and you really think like like you really think.
Speaker 1: We'd that stupid?
Speaker 2: Like no, this is not a tenable deal, Like even
Speaker 2: the most pragmatic of Palestinian government official was like, oh
Speaker 2: this this is a bullshit deal, Like you do know
Speaker 2: we're a country, not country. I just came back from
Speaker 2: Hong Kong. Hong Kong is like China not China, Like
Speaker 2: I just what is this? And then you have the
Speaker 2: more hard line is really are Like when I say exist,
Speaker 2: I mean living, I'm not saying as a nation state,
Speaker 2: I mean any of them alive. Then our safety is
Speaker 2: in danger's That's that other argument which brings me to,
Speaker 2: in my mind, the most chilling statement to come out
Speaker 2: of at least out of Benjamin.
Speaker 1: That and Yahoo's mouth.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Ma's next episode, you know, to figure
Speaker 2: out the math here, like okay, what was your end game?
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that next. It turns out they didn't.
Speaker 2: They ain't realize how with the shits Benjamin was. But anyway,
Speaker 2: at least that's my opinion. But that's next week.
Speaker 1: He in this speech he gave and this is like,
Speaker 1: this is the phrase that made me be like, okay,
Speaker 1: we need to do an episode about this.
Speaker 2: Is he quotes this Old Testament passage in Deuteronomy. Now
Speaker 2: I don't know how many of y'all have read your
Speaker 2: Bible's lift through Sunday School. You know, I don't care
Speaker 2: if it's a Mormon Sunday School. Hell, you could be Muslim.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And you have probably you
Speaker 2: probably understand Deuteronomy.
Speaker 1: You know, you.
Speaker 2: Probably know more about your Bible than a lot of
Speaker 2: Christians do.
Speaker 1: Anyway, you've gotten to this.
Speaker 2: Part and he quotes this passage where he says, remember,
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna do it in a Hebrew accent
Speaker 2: because that's corny. But he said, it's corny for me
Speaker 2: to do it. I'm not saying a Hebrew accent is corny.
Speaker 2: You understand what I mean. I'm not gonna mock the
Speaker 2: man's accent. But he said, remember what the Amalekites did
Speaker 2: to you. Now, the Amalekites were in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're a mythical maybe they're not real, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm they were a tribe in the land
Speaker 2: of Canaan, which is modern day area that we're talking about. Right,
Speaker 2: Let me fast, let me rewind back a little further.
Speaker 2: You got Father Abraham who had many sons, and many
Speaker 2: sons had father Abraham. Right, So Abraham, father of Jews, Christians,
Speaker 2: and Muslim religion. He was our you know, the father
Speaker 2: of the three fates, caming from Arv. Chaldeans had his
Speaker 2: son Isaac, had his son Jacob, but Abraham also had instead,
Speaker 2: not just Isaac, had Ishmael. And there's a belief that
Speaker 2: like Ishmael and Hagar, which was Abraham's wive's handmaiden. This
Speaker 2: is all Bible stuff, became the father of Islam. Right anyway,
Speaker 2: that's lineage stuff that I'm in the weeds.
Speaker 1: The point is.
Speaker 2: When Israel, you know, fast forward to Moses. Let my
Speaker 2: people go, you know, Prince of Egypt. They leave Egypt,
Speaker 2: they wonder the wilderness for forty days on their way
Speaker 2: to the Promised Land, which is the land for which
Speaker 2: all of this shit is about, like it currently, you know,
Speaker 2: according to their bi this is Genesis doubt right now,
Speaker 2: as they were supposed to subdue the land. Right, he's
Speaker 2: calling back to this idea of this promise that Yahweh
Speaker 2: of the Scriptures gave the children of Israel that this
Speaker 2: land will be yours. But you have to drive out
Speaker 2: the people bother me that are there now, the people
Speaker 2: that were there at the time were called the Canaanites
Speaker 2: because they were in the land of Canaan. Now, Canaan
Speaker 2: had a lot of different type of tribes that exist. Now,
Speaker 2: again we're talking ancient history, so tribal warfare is something
Speaker 2: that's super normal, right. Unfortunately, now we have guns. But
Speaker 2: one of those tribes that were there that were enemies
Speaker 2: of Israel were a tribe called the Amalekites. Now, a
Speaker 2: lot of readings from modern Judaea sees a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff as metaphor, like that theyre weren't really a
Speaker 2: group a tribe called the Amalekites. And this story is
Speaker 2: more akin to like the greater and Higher Jihad inside
Speaker 2: of Islam, which is the idea of like the war
Speaker 2: within yourself, the war to subdue, to fight against evil
Speaker 2: urges and to push the lower parts of you, the
Speaker 2: low vibrations of yourself, to subdue those and be a
Speaker 2: master of your own urges, your own bodies, to choose
Speaker 2: the right things, to choose good rather than choosing the
Speaker 2: debate sort of id of it all, right, if you're Christian,
Speaker 2: this is the idea of like the war of the
Speaker 2: flesh versus the war of the spirit. You're beating your
Speaker 2: flesh into submission. You know, you're holding thoughts captive, like
Speaker 2: that's that First Corinthians idea, you know, bring every thought
Speaker 2: into captivity of the will of God. Like, so there's
Speaker 2: an idea here that goes across all of our faiths.
Speaker 2: And let me and say this man like to my
Speaker 2: Jewish friends, like, even with the time I've spent in
Speaker 2: like Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, I was there for a
Speaker 2: few Shabbat meals. Well, it's a beautiful, beautiful faith, a
Speaker 2: beautiful tradition in history. Okay, So I just want to
Speaker 2: put that out there. The Amalekites symboli you defeating your
Speaker 2: inner id, right, But why this is so chilling is
Speaker 2: the is what the rest of that passage says. It says,
Speaker 2: remember what the Amalekites did to you, and then God
Speaker 2: commands them to go kill every man, woman, child, cow calf.
Speaker 2: And if you read Joe King James Versus, it said,
Speaker 2: and everything that pisseth against the wall pisseth. When we
Speaker 2: was in Sunday school, we used to love that phrase.
Speaker 2: So for him to invoke that, if you if you've
Speaker 2: been through, if you've been through a bar mitzvah, if
Speaker 2: you had to read them scriptures. You know what he's saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a call to genocide. I know what
Speaker 2: you meant when you said that he was saying. The
Speaker 2: offense on October seventh was such a green light that
Speaker 2: I can invoke this part.
Speaker 1: Of our faith. Now.
Speaker 2: I feel like, because again I speak because blood, gang banging,
Speaker 2: and because I grew up in church, I heard what
Speaker 2: he said.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know the man. I just know what
Speaker 1: you just communicated to me.
Speaker 2: Because of all the passages in Natara, that's the one
Speaker 2: you're gonna call on, the one that says, oh, wipe
Speaker 2: them out. And then you couple that with his actions.
Speaker 2: Now ain't no peace. I feel like I heard what
Speaker 2: you just said, big dog. Now, like I said in
Speaker 2: the beginning, a government is not its people. It's people
Speaker 2: are not its government. So this is not a disc
Speaker 2: to the people of Israel. Although I'm pretty sure there
Speaker 2: are some that may agree with him, I am also
Speaker 2: very aware of many people that don't. And I'm also
Speaker 2: aware of many Jewish people that ain't got no idea
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: They're like, Lord, we just looved man. I don't remember
Speaker 1: none of that shit. I just know what he said
Speaker 1: is almost impossible to miss.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not saying this from some particular high horse,
Speaker 2: because America does it all the time. We did it
Speaker 2: to the natives all the time. Like their justification of
Speaker 2: slavery was this idea that they were bringing the gospel
Speaker 2: to Africa. Like, so don't like, listen, I'm not there's
Speaker 2: blood on our hands. I just know, homie, I heard
Speaker 2: what you said, and I think I think your country
Speaker 2: mayor heard what you said too. And no, fam you
Speaker 2: could have said a lot of different things. That's the
Speaker 2: one you said. So whoever wrote that shit and got
Speaker 2: you to say it, Oh, nigga, you knew what you
Speaker 2: were saying. Little politics, y'all.
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