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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of Clay and Buck starts right now. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here with us. We have much to

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Speaker 2: discuss with you. Over six thousand bombs have been dropped

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Speaker 2: on Gaza in the aftermath of the mass casualty terror

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Speaker 2: attack perpetrated by Hamas. We'll get into the latest there,

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Speaker 2: including the warning from the State of Israel that over

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Speaker 2: a million Palestinians should evacuate the northern Gaza strip within

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Speaker 2: the next twenty four hours plus.

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Speaker 1: Hamas has called for.

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Speaker 2: A global day of rage, and so a lot of

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Speaker 2: counter terrorist units around the world, a lot of major cities,

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Speaker 2: particularly in the West, escalated police presence at a whole

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Speaker 2: range of sites. Down in DC and Capitol Hills, staffers

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Speaker 2: are notified, have been notified about enhanced operations because of

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Speaker 2: the leadership of Hamas again calling for this day of rage.

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Speaker 2: Synagogues and places like New York and Florida are some

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Speaker 2: of them are considering shutting down today or they have

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Speaker 2: additional security procedures in place. We want to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about that, and then some other news stories on

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Speaker 2: the radar Immigrations and Customs Enforcement has put out an

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Speaker 2: official number of how many migrants have entered the US

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Speaker 2: illegally under the Biden administration up to this point, and

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Speaker 2: then something else. The former governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger,

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Speaker 2: has some thoughts on what Democrats are trying to do

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Speaker 2: in well pretty much every city. And we'll talk more

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Speaker 2: about this later, but I'm coming to you actually from

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Speaker 2: South Bend, Indiana right now.

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Speaker 1: Clay, here's the situation.

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Speaker 2: The first of all, we're on a bit of a

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Speaker 2: cities that have been traditional targets of terre in the past,

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Speaker 2: New York, Washington, d C. Obviously, the American Jewish community

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Speaker 2: particularly concerned on.

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Speaker 1: The day of Rage.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the IDF, with its three hundred thousand reservists who

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Speaker 2: over Gaza. So we'll we'll see as that unfolds. It

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Speaker 2: is likely to be a difficult campaign that will take days,

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Speaker 2: perhaps weeks. But in the meantime, Clay A reminder that

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Speaker 2: there are still elements of the global jihad all over

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Speaker 2: the world, and it's bringing me back to my days

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Speaker 2: in NYPD Intelligence and the CIA's Counter Terrorism Center. We're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on the phone buck this morning and

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Speaker 3: I talked to a couple of different friends who have

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Speaker 3: both in New York and in Florida, and they have

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Speaker 3: got right now added security that are standing outside of

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Speaker 3: that Jewish schools could be targeted. And one of my

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Speaker 3: you ever wonder who's.

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Speaker 1: The good guys?

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Speaker 3: It's not the people that are forcing Jewish schools all

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Speaker 3: And these schools oftentimes are even more secured than certainly

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Speaker 3: of concerns about anti Semitism. And I used to think

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Speaker 1: And I bet you.

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Speaker 3: And certainly I did growing up, and then I went

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Speaker 3: Amount of time that we spent studying the Holocaust was

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Speaker 1: And the number one.

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Speaker 3: Question, you know, we got to ask, Buck, how can

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Speaker 3: this have ever happened? How in relatively civilized times, nineteen

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Speaker 3: How can this have ever happened in living memory? And

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Speaker 3: I heard call you this, Buck, But what's happening now?

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Speaker 3: I could see, because there's lots of people who have

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Speaker 3: pertains to how Jewish people are treated.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and anti Semitism has been around a lot longer

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Speaker 2: this point, whether you're talking about pograms or the expulsion

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Speaker 2: periods all throughout history. We are most familiar with the

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Speaker 2: last one hundred years or so of anti Semitism. But

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Speaker 2: in the West is the hatred, the discrimination against people

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Speaker 2: for innate, immutable central characteristics. Right, so we know in

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Speaker 2: the West, is there a greater crime than racism, for example,

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Speaker 2: As all wars are, there will be civilian casualties. Israelis

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Speaker 2: they always do. If Israel wanted to, I mean, this

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Speaker 2: So there's no moral equivalency to be had between the

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Speaker 2: Be a lot of people here at home in the

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Speaker 1: Is doing what it always does.

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Speaker 2: It overreacts or Israel is not using commensurate force for

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Speaker 1: Know, people are just on edge.

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Speaker 2: Clay in general, I'm not a superstitious person, but it

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Speaker 2: is Friday the thirteenth, as we know, a day of

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Speaker 2: rage has been called for. There have been some violent riots,

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Speaker 1: Terror scale yet today.

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Speaker 2: But the world is on edge, and I think it's

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Speaker 3: And what I would say in general is, certainly you

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Speaker 3: And so I understand there's a lot of apprehension, there's

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Speaker 3: back in the days of the Civil War. But when

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Speaker 3: of you starting this war. Hamas made this decision. I

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Speaker 3: and I haven't seen this discussed a lot to try

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Speaker 3: at what the Jews did. They're awful. The Palestinians are

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Speaker 3: is a longer form discussion. Western civilization and colonization in

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Speaker 2: It brings me back to something else you won't often

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Speaker 1: A couple of things. Fuck.

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Speaker 3: I would just say, let's see how consistent that policy

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Speaker 2: So there are some leftists, who are you in the

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Speaker 3: To his credit, I think I saw an out kick

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Speaker 3: this is utterly disgraceful. Google the stances of the honorable

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Speaker 3: even this is Sean King, a fake black guy. You

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Speaker 3: toddlers are being blown to bits by bombs from Israel

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Speaker 3: and this is all you have to say. You know what,

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Speaker 3: shut up and dribble? Did you write the first time?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry I was ever a fan. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: What a shame man, your tone death. You are misusing

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Speaker 3: over in our country. I thought yesterday we said it

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Speaker 3: pretty well. Buck, reading this is a clarifying moment for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people. And I think there are going

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Speaker 3: to be more and more people listening to this show.

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Speaker 3: And if you're listening right now and you've got friends

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Speaker 3: or family out there who suddenly are blown away by

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Speaker 3: what leftist ideology has become, and maybe you hadn't seen

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Speaker 3: it right.

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Speaker 1: We talked about this, Buck.

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Speaker 3: If you're sixty five or seventy percent of people who

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Speaker 3: are Jewish that have been voting for Democrats, I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of those people are stunned by what they

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Speaker 3: have seen, and I think there is a mass red

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Speaker 3: pillization of America that's happening in response to this terror attack.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there'll be any switch in the voting patterns.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, I don't think I see.

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Speaker 1: There might change.

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Speaker 3: I think there might be. I think there might be

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Speaker 3: in in members out there of the Jewish faith. I

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Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people who are stunned because

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Speaker 3: in thirty or forty years, you have to.

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Speaker 1: Remember Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden has been solid on this issue in terms

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Speaker 2: of his speech.

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Speaker 1: Blincoln has been solid on this shop.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe you'd be I would agree with you

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Speaker 2: if Ilhan Omar was president, or you know, the Speaker

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Speaker 2: of the House was Rasheeta to leave, Yes, then I

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Speaker 2: think you'd see, Well, let's see how long they stay.

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Speaker 3: Super solid buck, because it's going to get nasty. George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush actually said this recently, like when they go into Gaza,

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Speaker 3: that propaganda is going to get taken to another level.

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Speaker 3: And let's see how long the Biden wing of the

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Speaker 3: Democrat Party remains acendant. Because I think it's gonna I

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Speaker 3: think the hey, let's just have peace talk is going

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Speaker 3: to start to rise up, if it hasn't already, as

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Speaker 3: soon as the consequences for what the what Hamas did

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Speaker 3: begin to rain fully down upon Gaza. I think that's

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Speaker 3: gonna change.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see. I hope it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the tours Foundation delivers on its promise

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Speaker 3: to do good and never forget the sacrifices America's greatest

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Speaker 3: heroes have made for US, Heroes who risk their lives

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Speaker 3: to keep our communities in our country safe. Heroes like

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Speaker 3: United States Marine Corps Captain and pilot John Jeremy Sacks.

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Speaker 3: Captain Sacks sustained fatal injuries when his military aircraft crashed

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Speaker 3: during training, killing him and five other service members. He's

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Speaker 3: remembered by loved ones as courageous Brits and devoted to

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Speaker 3: who gave birth to their second daughter three months after

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Speaker 3: his death. Total of the Towers paid the mortgage on

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Speaker 3: the family home for Amber and their two daughters. The

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Speaker 3: Foundations helped over one thousand military and first responder families

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Speaker 3: navigate the worst of times by removing the burden of

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Speaker 3: a mortgage payment. And as I mentioned all of you,

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Speaker 3: I was in New York City on Tuesday at a

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Speaker 3: charity event where they raised over two million dollars. Three

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Speaker 3: different widows stood up and told their stories at that event,

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Speaker 3: and it was incredibly powerful. The work that Frank Siller

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Speaker 3: and his crew is doing cannot be underrated at all.

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Speaker 3: It is necessary, it is just, and it is incredibly

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Speaker 3: humane what they are doing.

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Speaker 1: You can help.

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Speaker 3: Donate as I have done, as Buck has done, eleven

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: Third hour of Clay end Buck on this Friday kicks

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Speaker 2: off right now. We're going to be talking more about

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Speaker 2: the situation with Israel and its imminent invasion of Gaza

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Speaker 2: to bring the fight to the Hamas terrorists that engage

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Speaker 2: in that mass casualty atrocity days ago. We'll have updates

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Speaker 2: for you throughout the throughout the remaining show on that.

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Speaker 2: Also wanted to bring some other news stories your way

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Speaker 2: as we have the there have been a couple of

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Speaker 2: stabbings play around the world so far for this day

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Speaker 2: of rage, and the day of rage has been called

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Speaker 2: for by Hamas leadership. Effectively, they just want people to

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Speaker 2: go out and commit brutal acts of violence in the

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Speaker 2: you know, anti Semitic violence, anti Western violence. So far,

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen, and we are we are hoping and

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Speaker 2: praying and continues this way to day and well for

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Speaker 2: all time. I haven't seen any major attacks yet in

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Speaker 2: response to this.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of concern out there. People are staying

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Speaker 2: home from synagogue, We're closing synagogues here in the States.

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Speaker 2: MYPD on high alert. Many major cities have their police departments,

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Speaker 2: their counter terror units at an elevated alert status because

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Speaker 2: of this, because tensions right now are running high in

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Speaker 2: the aftermath of the Hamas terror attack. You know, Clay,

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Speaker 2: one other thing I wanted to point out here as

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Speaker 2: we're looking at how secure can we be or how

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Speaker 2: safe are we? You know, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement has

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Speaker 2: now said, for the record, this came out this week,

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Speaker 2: that they've got five point seven million migrants are here

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Speaker 2: in the US and it is the Biden administrations desire

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Speaker 2: to provide medical services, housing, et cetera. For all of them.

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Speaker 2: This will obviously be enormously expensive. New York City is

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Speaker 2: bearing the brunt of its migrant surge right now in

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Speaker 2: a way that it's just breaking their budget. But I

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Speaker 2: want to think about this from a border security perspective

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Speaker 2: for a moment. You know, we're being told to be

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Speaker 2: concerned because of the possibility here of what It doesn't

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Speaker 2: just have to be Hamas as could be groups or

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Speaker 2: individuals tied to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Kuds Force,

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Speaker 2: which is their external operations arm of the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 2: It's really military slash intelligence, slash terrorism that the IRGC excels.

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Speaker 2: And it could be he Hesbla has cells. We know

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Speaker 2: Hesbola has sells and activity all over the world. When

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Speaker 2: you have a border that is so wide open that

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Speaker 2: seven million people have violated your sovereign and come in

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Speaker 2: or whatever the six point three I guess is there?

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Speaker 2: Sorry five point seven so six million people give or take,

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Speaker 2: because you have to add in the godaways. When you

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Speaker 2: have a border that is that wide open, that is

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Speaker 2: understood by all clay to be the worst it has

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Speaker 2: ever been, and then you have a moment where you

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Speaker 2: wonder what is our security situation, like, what what kind

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Speaker 2: of protections and precautions are in place for us? I

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Speaker 2: think it's a reminder that border security is part of

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Speaker 2: national security. And if you do not have a never

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Speaker 2: mind a good handle, if you have almost no handle

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Speaker 2: on who's coming into your country, no real vetting, no

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Speaker 2: real precautions in place to stop infiltration. And look, I

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Speaker 2: ninety nine nine percent of the people coming across the

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Speaker 2: border are not you know, not has buller harmoster. I

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Speaker 2: understand that, but you don't need very many, as we've

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Speaker 2: seen countless times for there to be a mass casualty

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Speaker 2: terror attack. It's clearly a security vulnerability, and it's won

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration, I think, has no answers for.

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Speaker 1: And it's going to happen at some point.

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Speaker 3: And I think Americans buck are slowly becoming cognizant of

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Speaker 3: that fact because was a Fox News poll that came out.

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Speaker 1: This week had fifty eight.

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Speaker 3: Percent of people now in favor of a border wall,

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Speaker 3: which is the highest it's ever been going all the

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Speaker 3: way back to twenty fifteen when Trump started the idea

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Speaker 3: of building a border wall. The idea, eight years later

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Speaker 3: is now approaching sixty percent approval nationwide, and this is

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Speaker 3: going to happen. It's just a matter of when it happens.

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Speaker 3: There will be another terror attack in America, and based

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Speaker 3: on having a wide open southern border and who we

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Speaker 3: know is already entering that way, there is a very

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Speaker 3: strong likelihood that at least some of the members of

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Speaker 3: that mass terror attack will have illegally entered our country

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Speaker 3: on the southern border. Just a matter of, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: a matter of when that happens, not if that happens,

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Speaker 3: buck And when that does occur, there will be a

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Speaker 3: massive rush to close our southern border and people will

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Speaker 3: all rise up and say, how did we ever allow

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Speaker 3: this to happen?

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Speaker 1: And you're already seeing that happen. We talked about it

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Speaker 1: on Monday.

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Speaker 3: As to me, the number one story associated with the

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Speaker 3: terror attack once it happened was how does this happen?

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Speaker 1: And it's something that.

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Speaker 3: We spent years, as you well know, unpacking nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: What was the great book that was written Blooming Tower,

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Speaker 1: which one you I.

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Speaker 3: Think that basically looked into the entire u entire process

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Speaker 3: by which that terror attack happened, And we spent years

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Speaker 3: figuring out how it happened. I suspect the same thing

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Speaker 3: will happen in Israel, and it isn't crazy to predict

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Speaker 3: that we are opening ourselves up to a massive terror

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Speaker 3: attack based on the number of people that were allowing

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Speaker 3: who are likely to be dangerous to the average American.

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Speaker 1: To that point you made about the.

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Speaker 2: Understanding that they're going to eventually reach as to how

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Speaker 2: this intelligence failure occurred. I mean, here's House Foreign Affairs

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Speaker 2: Committee chairman. This is cut to Michael McCall saying that

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Speaker 2: Egypt actually gave some warning to Israel play too.

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Speaker 5: We heard from the administration there seems to have been

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Speaker 5: a failure of intelligence as well, and we're not quite

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Speaker 5: sure how we missed it. We're not quite sure how

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Speaker 5: Israel missed it. We know that Egypt had warned the

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Speaker 5: Israelies three days prior that an event event like this

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Speaker 5: could happen. We know that this has been planned, perhaps

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Speaker 5: as long as a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Buck you when you worked in intelligence. I'm curious on

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Speaker 3: this because that story that Egypt warned Israel that this

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Speaker 3: could happen, and by the way, the book, I want

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Speaker 3: to mention this. I'd also be interested in your take

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Speaker 3: on the book The Looming Tower by Warrants. Right, we'll

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Speaker 3: circle back to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an.

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Speaker 3: Incredible right, that's the book, Yes, The Looming Tower. If

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Speaker 3: you're out there and you just kind of want a

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Speaker 3: retrospective on how nine to eleven happened because you're looking

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Speaker 3: at what happened in Israel, I would really encourage everybody

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Speaker 3: to go read that book.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's an.

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Speaker 3: Incredible detailed examination of the rise of al Qaeda and

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Speaker 3: how they came to attack us on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: But when you worked in the CIA, Buck, and you

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Speaker 3: did the President's briefing, and you did all these different things,

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Speaker 3: when you hear, hey, Egypt warned Israel that an attack

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Speaker 3: like this might be happening, how often would you guys

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Speaker 3: get warnings that never materialized? In other words, isn't it

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Speaker 3: almost the case that there's constantly intelligence coming in that

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Speaker 3: a particular attack could occur. So when people circle back

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Speaker 3: and they say, oh, well they got a warning, I

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Speaker 3: mean you're always getting warnings, right, I mean, and most

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Speaker 3: of them do not materialize.

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Speaker 1: I'm betting, But I'm curious if that's the case.

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Speaker 2: There's we would call threat reporting, and there was a

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Speaker 2: duty to Warren principle where you would have to note

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Speaker 2: threat reporting, pass it up the chain of command, take it,

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Speaker 2: you know, approach it with seriousness. But the it's not

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Speaker 2: even the vast majority almost all threat threat reporting never

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Speaker 2: materialized that right, And and so there's there's a few things.

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Speaker 2: One is, you are trying to pick out something very

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Speaker 2: specific from a a fire hose stream of threat reporting information.

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Speaker 2: You're you're trying to get you know, one droplet from

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Speaker 2: that fire hose, and you've got to get it right.

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Speaker 2: And as I said that that very chilling thing from

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Speaker 2: the IRA you have to be lucky always right, the

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Speaker 2: Irish Republican Army terrorist group, they said that about Margaret

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Speaker 2: Thatcher and about the British monarchy that they were targeting

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00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: at the time and the British Parliament. The threat reporting

660
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: situation is not only are you inundated with threat reporting

661
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: on a regular basis, especially if you're in a place

662
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: you're talking about something like Aza, right, uh, but beyond that, Clay,

663
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: you need specificity to be able to take action based

664
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Speaker 2: upon the threat.

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Speaker 1: Reporting, right.

666
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Speaker 2: You need you need to be in a place, you

667
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: need to have an on this is that remember that

668
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: famous you know bin Laanen determined to strike inside the

669
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Speaker 2: United States. Yes, so now it was supposed to be

670
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 2: a big gotcha during the Bush administration. Okay, well, how

671
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: and where and why and when?

672
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: You know?

673
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you go, you go down the list of

674
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: those questions. Egypt warning Israel, even if this is accurate

675
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: from corn At Fairs Chairman Michael McCall three days before

676
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 2: the attack, saying you're gonna get hit. Okay, you can

677
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: elevate your posture, but what you really needed to know

678
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: is they're planning in this area to to fly uh

679
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, sort of low tech aircraft gliders over the

680
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: fence and then attack it with a specific You would

681
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: need specificity because you can't just security that is elevated

682
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: everywhere ends up being security that is diluted in its

683
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: ability to actually have its you know, proper effect.

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Speaker 3: Having said that, and this is what we started talking

685
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: about on Monday, the amount of men in material that

686
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: was necessary to mobilize for this attack. And to your point, Buck,

687
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: paragliders in theory, you would have to test those paragliders

688
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: somewhere right the idea of what you might have been planning,

689
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: I would imagine just like in the Looming Tower, that

690
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: Lawrence Wright book that looked at all the failures and

691
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: the rise of al Qaeda and how nine to eleven happened.

692
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: Someone at some point in the years ahead, and I

693
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: don't think that book was published till like two thousand

694
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: and six.

695
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: In six or seven.

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00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: Years from now, someone is going to write the definitive

697
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: story of how this came to happen. And I think

698
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: a huge part of it Buck is going to be

699
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: that Isuriel was divided arguing over what supreme court for

700
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: people who haven't been paying attention to the poul of Israel,

701
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: and I understand if a lot of you have not.

702
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: They've been incredibly divided over this net and Yahoo government

703
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: and also over what powers their supreme court was going

704
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: to have. Just like the United States, I'm afraid Buck

705
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: is incredibly divided right now, and we're dividing. We're debating

706
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: things that in the grand scheme of things, are not

707
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: that important, right Like the idea that Democrats could be

708
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: claiming that men who decide to identify as women or

709
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: women and that we have to fight over stupidity like

710
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: this is I think opening us up to vulnerability for

711
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Speaker 3: far more significant attacks.

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Speaker 2: My opinion, Hamas also had specifically taken a posture to

713
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Speaker 2: make it seem like it did not want to fight,

714
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: and that and that perhaps perhaps.

715
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: They played possime. There would be.

716
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there would be discussions of a constructive nature in

717
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: some way at some unspecified time in the future with

718
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: the Israeli government. So you know, it's a little bit like,

719
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw this in the Second World War,

720
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: for example, there would be a surrender. This was notable

721
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: among the surrendering Japanese troops where they would they would

722
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: wave a white literally wave a white flag and surrender

723
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: and then they would hit, you know, grenades, they would

724
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: pull the pins on grenades and kill the Americans who

725
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: are coming to take them prisoner. It's kind of you know,

726
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: what what Hamas did here is okay, okay, you know,

727
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: let's let's take a different approach. We don't want to fight. Actually,

728
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: we're going to kill as many of you as we

729
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: possibly can.

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Speaker 1: It's really the level of evil again, the level of depravity.

731
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: It is that they took it to.

732
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Speaker 2: The absolute maximum with this one. I mean, they went

733
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: as far as they possibly could in all respects. The

734
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: the dishonesty and their diplomacy, the viciousness and the sadism

735
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: in the attack itself. And this is look, it's it's

736
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Speaker 2: there's a reason they're saying it's like Israel' nine eleven.

737
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Speaker 2: It's unlike anything that they've seen, certainly in fifty years.

738
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Speaker 2: And the consequences for this must be This demands a

739
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Speaker 2: massive response, and the consequences must be severe. And so

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Speaker 2: this is where we are all heading. We see this,

741
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Speaker 2: and we're going to continue to follow this closely. If

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Speaker 2: All Right, it's Friday, it's the afternoon. It's been a

770
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Speaker 2: it's been quite a week everybody, So we wanted to

771
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: take a moment here and speak to our friend Doug

772
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: Brunt about something that we could all just take a

773
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Speaker 2: breathere or take a moment to relax and think about

774
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: something interesting, something out of the immediate news cycle Here

775
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: for a second. Doug is a historian, novelist, and author

776
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: of a host of the podcast Dedicated. His latest book,

777
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 2: New York Times bestseller, is The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel,

778
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: the true story of the inventor of the Diesel engine

779
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: who disappeared on the eve of World War One. Thank

780
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: you for being with us, Doug, appreciate it.

781
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Speaker 4: Great to be with you, guys, and I'm happy to

782
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 4: pivot us into something else.

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00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

784
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: No, we all could use it for we all need

785
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: a moment here. So tell us about this. I'll be

786
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: honest with you. I don't know anything about this mysterious

787
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: case of mister Rudolph Diesel. So walk us through some

788
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: of what's going on here. Give us the overview.

789
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 4: I'll give you the setup. So, I, like many didn't

790
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 4: know there was someone behind Diesel. I know the word Diesel,

791
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 4: and like most people, I was misspelling it with a

792
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: lowercase B all these years. But reviewers are calling this

793
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: book the greatest caper of the twentieth century, and it

794
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: really is, this incredible piece of hidden history. So in

795
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 4: September twenty nine, nineteen thirteen, Rudolph Diesel is traveling from

796
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 4: Belgium to Great Britain on an overnight past Singer Ferry,

797
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: and in the night he disappears. He's supposed to meet

798
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 4: his companions for breakfast in the morning and he doesn't

799
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: show up, so they hold the ship at sea. They

800
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 4: searched the ship. All they find are his hat and

801
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: his coat, folded by the rail at the stern of

802
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 4: the ship. Seems to mark where he went overboard. And

803
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: it's hard to put into terms now because he was

804
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 4: a huge celebrity at the time. The history of the

805
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: man has really been paved over, as you say, But

806
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: it would be like Elon Musk hopping on a flight

807
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: to Nantucket and then disappearing, and how bananas the news

808
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: would go. That's how it was.

809
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Then.

810
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: It was the cover of the New York Times, cover

811
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 4: of the papers in London, Western Europe, all through Russia,

812
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: wondering about this crazy disappearance of the great inventor. And

813
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: while they presumed suicide, two murder theories also popped in

814
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: the headlines. One was that he was murdered by Kiser

815
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: Wilhelm the Second, the Emperor of Germany. The other was

816
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: that he was murdered by John Rocketfeller, founder of standard oil,

817
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: richest man in the world. The reason Wilhelm may have

818
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: done it and the Germans is we're at the peak

819
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: of the Anglo German naval arms race, and thirteen right

820
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 4: before World War One, the diesel engine had emerged as

821
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: the only engine to could power a submarine or a

822
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 4: U boat. Kerosenea gasoline engines wouldn't work. It had to

823
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: be diesel. So the navies of every major European power

824
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 4: are scrambling.

825
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: For diesel expertise.

826
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: Rudolph is still the main guy to deliver it. And

827
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: the reason he was traveling across the North Sea to

828
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 4: England on that day was because he was going to

829
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: be co founder and board director of a new diesel

830
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: engine manufacturing company whose mandate it was to build diesels

831
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 4: for the Royal Navy submarine programs. So you can imagine

832
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: the Kaiser was not having that. The reason Rockefeller may

833
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 4: have wanted to kill him was the diesel was advocating

834
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: that his engine could run on any fuel. It could

835
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 4: run hi vegetable oil, nut oil, coole tar, or even

836
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 4: really cheap petroleum. And he had been an America in

837
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 4: nineteen twelve and said I can break the American Hue monopoly.

838
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 4: And I don't need a law to do it. I

839
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: don't need the Schermananda Trust Act to do it. I

840
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 4: can do it with the power of my technology because

841
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 4: the diesel engine has such a range of flexibility with

842
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 4: regard to few and so he posed an existential threat

843
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: to Rockefeller and Standard Oil as well.

844
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: Doug when you examined this mystery, and thanks for coming on,

845
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 3: do you, and I'm not asking you to give away

846
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: the book, But by the end of the book and

847
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: all your research and everything else that you were doing

848
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: in it, did you have in your own mind a

849
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: thesis about what you think is the most likely or

850
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: do you think writing a book one hundred years some

851
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: odd later, it's almost impossible to reach any kind of conclusion.

852
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering, kind of investigating a mystery like this,

853
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: whether your mind kind of changed and shifted as you wrote,

854
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 3: whether you reach something that you feel is the most

855
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: likely outcome, how the process of writing this book impacted

856
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: your thoughts on what was likely to have occurred.

857
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: I had an early sery of the case because there

858
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: were such gaping holes in every other theory if you

859
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: look it up. An Encyclo Peteria Britannica. It says suicide,

860
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: but there are so many obvious holes with that. Now,

861
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 4: as you say, he disappeared almost one hundred and ten

862
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 4: years ago to the day the anniversary just passed, so

863
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 4: it is a circumstantial case. It's actually almost easier in

864
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 4: some way to piece together a circumstantial case now than

865
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: it was in the years immediately following it, because I

866
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 4: can go and do what I would call library research

867
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: and pull together newspaper headlines from Berlin, London, New York,

868
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: Munich and find all these contradicting things showing up in

869
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: the news from without having to leave my screen at

870
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: my desk. You know, back in nineteen thirty you'd have

871
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: to run around to these different cities and go through

872
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: cabinets of newspapers. Now all the stuff is scanned and

873
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: more scanned every day. But in addition, even contemporary murder

874
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 4: cases are largely solved through circumstantial evidence. It's very rare

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Speaker 4: that you have someone who says, I saw the knife

876
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: go in and he did it to that person. And

877
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 4: by the way, that kind of witness testimony is usually

878
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 4: the least reliable anyway, So most murder case is actually

879
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 4: solved circumstantially. Anyway, I put this whole case together. I

880
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: then showed it to former FBI, former CIA and for

881
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: British Intel, and they all said, a thousand percent, this

882
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: is what happened. So without giving it away, as you

883
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: say the most, I usually say, it wasn't suicide.

884
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Speaker 1: It wasn't suicide. Interesting that is, that is quite at ease.

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Speaker 2: Well, the book for everybody is The Mysterious Case of

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00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: Rudolph Diesel, the true story of the inventor of the

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00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Diesel engine who disappeared on the eve of World War One.

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00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: We're actually just talking about World War one a minute ago.

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00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: The author is Doug Brunt. Doug, best of luck to

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00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: you on the book, which I know is already selling

891
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: really well, hope some folks will get copies. And do

892
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: you know what your next subject is or have you

893
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: decided you're not gonna you're not set on it yet.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll here's one thing I love about this period,

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00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 4: this quarter centered for World War One. The cast of

896
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 4: character is amazing. So in this book there's Adolphus Bush,

897
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 4: who licensed the Diesel America, the digital engine in America

898
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: of powered his breweries at Vanheuser, Bush Winston Church Will

899
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 4: plays a huge role the a nobel family in Russia.

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00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: So I loved it. Quarters Entry before World War One?

901
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: The next book, as it is for many writers, like

902
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: one writer's footnote can be another writer's whole book. There's

903
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: a footnote in this book that will likely be my

904
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Speaker 4: own next book and will stay in this time period.

905
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: Doug, we just had a question last question for you actually,

906
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: now that you mentioned that, the caller called in and said, hey,

907
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Speaker 3: would you analogize the current situation that we're in today

908
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: with what's going on in Europe and what's going on

909
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: in Israel, with anything that connects to World War One?

910
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: Based on your research? Does it feel historically analogous in

911
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: any way to you? In that sort of perilous way

912
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: where everything was kind of working towards the advantage historians

913
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: have as we know where the story goes here, I'm

914
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: asking you to predict does that historical analogy or illusion

915
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: feel to you in any way apropos or not?

916
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, one of the things that was happening

917
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: in the end of the eighteen hundred is social Darwinism

918
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: with it becoming a dominant theory. So in a way

919
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 4: that biological darmin is darwin and works, you know, sort

920
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 4: of the survival of the fit of social Darwinism with

921
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 4: this thought that if you're the superior race or society,

922
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 4: that not only is it okay for you to sort

923
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 4: of take over someone else, but it's your moral duty

924
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 4: because that's how the species is supposed to go. So

925
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: one society, if you are stronger than others, it's your

926
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: moral duty to go take someone else over. And you know,

927
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 4: that's largely been thrown away, although it did lead in

928
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: some ways to you know, some of the strife building

929
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: into World War One, but that there's almost that same

930
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 4: crazy dynamic at play here where they feel like it's

931
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 4: like a moral duty to go to eradicate another society.

932
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: So you see that a little bit. I mean, the

933
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: diesel engine did play a role in some of that

934
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 4: because it came such a critical implement of war. There

935
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 4: would be no submarine warfare in World War one or

936
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: two without diesel. So there are elements of that in

937
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 4: the book that I think are a little bit at play.

938
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Speaker 1: In the middle least now good Self.

939
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Speaker 2: Is the mysterious case of Rudolph Diesel. Doug Brunt, Thanks

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here with us. Appreciate you.

941
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