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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. We are

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Speaker 1: joined as always by our super producer, Paul Mission controlled

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Speaker 1: decond you are you, You're here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. As you can tell,

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Speaker 1: I did that thing so Ben after three tries everything

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Speaker 1: now because again Ben is the master and he's not

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Speaker 1: with us today, but he will be returning very soon

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Speaker 1: to do that whole thing correctly again. So today everyone,

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Speaker 1: we are diving deep into our voice mailbox because we've

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Speaker 1: gone through I don't even know. There's a folder that

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Speaker 1: I guess we're just gonna respond to these in real

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Speaker 1: time basically. Indeed, let's see. So I'm gonna be completely candid.

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Speaker 1: I am coming into this cold as the sort of

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Speaker 1: the stand in for you. Yes, you the listener, the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. And I've got an amazing list that Matt

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Speaker 1: has put together in our handy dandy um episode document. Matt,

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Speaker 1: let's get started with a message from Jackie. Hi, my

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Speaker 1: name is Jackie from Madison, Wiscontlin's Not as a show.

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Speaker 1: I was just listening to the latest Listener mail episode

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Speaker 1: and you were talking about daffel gangers. Um. I just

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Speaker 1: wanted to let you know about Norwegian concept called waaldiger Um.

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Speaker 1: a daub o g e r. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a spirit right assessor of like you can centse someone's coming,

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Speaker 1: I I'm my relatives are Norwegian. It's just something you

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Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting thing. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: thanks so much to have a good one fight. That

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Speaker 1: is so cool. It's it's like the opposite of deja

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Speaker 1: precedes someone's arrival. And first of all, thank you Jackie

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Speaker 1: for letting us know about that really interesting concept, not

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Speaker 1: one that I I think i've experienced. Maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: in those moments you hear something you know down by

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Speaker 1: So really cool stuff. Amazing, Thank you, Jackie. This one

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Speaker 1: Another Matt. Maybe it's one we've heard from before, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: this is I was calling you had snooky stories going on,

428
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: and I had one that's um that I've had when

429
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: I was younger. I might have been taking of the

430
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: Devil's Lettuce with some things of mine in a car

431
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: and I ended up seeing rs uh like thee a

432
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: little bars in the car. And when I missied that

433
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: to everyone, the god that was in the back seat said, oh,

434
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: is that right? Tell me what you see now? And

435
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: I swear what I saw was him owing a human

436
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: mask over space and he actually was a devon, so

437
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: that was a little scary. He got me out of

438
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: the car pretty quick. Anyways. That's always stump with me.

439
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: And I still could see in my mind right now,

440
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's demon wearing a human masks. I think

441
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: somebody might have sprinkled a little of the Devil's PCP

442
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: on your Devil's lettuce or the Devil's something else. I

443
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: smoked big Devil's let us myself in my day. I

444
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: don't know they've ever experienced any like demonic um presentations

445
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: like that. That does sound scary. It's certainly put me

446
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: off my my Devil's lettuce. Well, it's um, I would

447
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: say personally as someone who has experienced the more psychedelic

448
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: side of that substance. Uh. Accidentally perhaps, Um, that's actually

449
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: the reason why I don't like it, um personally, just

450
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: that's just me. It affects some people very differently. And

451
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: the concept that that substance we're talking about cannabis, if

452
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: it could have someone seeing auras you know, right, the

453
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: energy essentially potentially that could be around some living thing

454
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: or even non living thing, and in this case also

455
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: allowing them to see through the veil too, you know,

456
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: this individual's true self. Mm hmm. I don't know, because

457
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: there's so many factors there. There's so many factors there. First,

458
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: you'd have to have somebody in the car with you

459
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: that is, in fact, a demon with a human face mask. Uh.

460
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: And you'd also have to be affected by cannabis in

461
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: a way that allows that. UM. I don't know a story.

462
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, I was always teasing at the top of

463
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: the show, um, talking about it being laced or something

464
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: like that. But it's absolutely true that cannabis, especially nowadays,

465
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: you know the crazy strains that exist in like extracts

466
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: and you know, super super super potentum versions tinctures and

467
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: the like. Um, you can get a dose that will

468
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: absolutely almost have similar effects to say l S. D um.

469
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: And it made made me think of a tweet that

470
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: I saw referencing the Travis Scott um incident. I want

471
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: to read this to you. Um it was yeah, from

472
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: a Reddit group. Somebody reposted this tweet. Um it says

473
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: I was in the pit tripping apps lute nutsack watching

474
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Travis Scott and truly believe Travis Scott is a demon

475
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: sent from Hell. I can't describe the evil and darkness

476
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: that possessed him. I first hand witnessed his evil spirits

477
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: passed to many of the fans at the concert. I

478
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: luckily got out before the darkness consumed me. I highly

479
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: suggest avoiding his concerts in the future. Jeez, I'm just saying.

480
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I only reference that too, you know. And obviously Travis

481
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Scott's getting right now. And I want to harken back

482
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: to the conversation we had around the astral World situation. Matt.

483
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: You were very even handed and coming in and saying, well,

484
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: sure Travis Scott may have a pat under this type

485
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: of behavior, and you know, there's a certain amount of

486
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: responsibility rests with him. But also there are protocols and

487
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: systems in place, you know, and then and he should

488
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: have been notified and told to stop the concert much

489
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: earlier than actually happened. So I heard NPR piece where,

490
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, a music reporter was talking about not you know,

491
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: feeding into cancel culture and making it all about it's

492
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: all Travis's fault. But um, I understand the concept of

493
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: seeing through the veil and seeing someone's true colors when

494
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: you're under a certain substance, influence of a certain substance,

495
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: especially if things and situationally are veering in a direction

496
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: that perhaps is showing someone's true colors. Um it can

497
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: certainly manifest itself in that way. So there you go. Yeah,

498
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: well look I've been I'm waffling just so you know,

499
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: personally about that whole astro world situation and where because

500
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not somebody who can sit here and

501
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: say who's to blame. But I I watched some more

502
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: videos of Travis Scott himself, how he's reacting to the

503
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: emergency situation that's developing, and it's not it's not great,

504
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: But I definitely do stand behind this concept that somebody

505
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: should have been on that stage, alerting him like in

506
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: his ear somehow that things need to calm down or stop.

507
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: It's it's funny. I actually saw a video not to

508
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: get too far off the top of the last thing,

509
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: because I don't know why I went down a rabbit

510
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: hole of watching like old Green Day live performance videos

511
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: because Billy Joe ms Strong is a little bit of

512
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: a diva and he kind of loses his temper sometimes

513
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: and like you know, does a little temper tantrum. Yestually

514
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: did one at one of the I Heeart Award events

515
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: or I Heart Music Festival events where they cut his

516
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: set short to make more time for Usher, who was

517
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: big at the time, and he lost his mind and

518
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: smashed the guitar. It was just cursing up a storm.

519
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: But I saw another event where he was playing in

520
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: Germany and they're playing and all of a sudden there

521
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's in between songs, uh it is it's in

522
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: between songs, and all of a sudden, this German voice

523
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: comes on over the p A system and speaking in German,

524
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: and Billy joorms Strong was like, what the hell is like?

525
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: Looking around? We has no idea what's going on? Um?

526
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: And the German voice is saying, hey, everybody, I know

527
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: you're all here to have a good time, but there

528
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: was some motion going on in the first few rows,

529
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: and someone was injured, so please stopped doing that. Thank you. Um,

530
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And Billy Joe is not

531
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: happy about that. That seems like a very cultural thing.

532
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they would ever do that in America. UM,

533
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: but I appreciate the bluntness and um safety first attitude

534
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: of that, you know what I mean, Like, like, who

535
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: cares about these diva artists? It's about the safety. And

536
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times the reason they didn't

537
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: tell him is because they're afraid of losing their job.

538
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: They're afraid he would like freak out on them or something.

539
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a culture within his team maybe or

540
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: within his crew, so I think even still, maybe the

541
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: onus is somewhat on him. Maybe he hasn't a you know,

542
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: a non approachable um attitude in that way, and people

543
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: are afraid of losing their job or getting nostracized because

544
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: nobody wants to jump the gun or call something like

545
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: that too soon, you know, and ask an artist to

546
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: stop a concert if it wasn't nearly as bad as

547
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: as as they thought. Nobody wants to be that person.

548
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, that has to

549
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: rest with somebody who isn't in the artist's entourage. I

550
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: completely agree. When when they're that number of people together,

551
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: it's just it's just way more dangerous than we imagine.

552
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: I want to really quickly stay on this for a second. Sorry,

553
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 1: corn Dog, we're moving away a little bit from your

554
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: message here. It's just I watched a video of an

555
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: Oasis concert from back in the day, and it was

556
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a high camera looking down at the crowd and you

557
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: can watch the human beings move as a liquid essentially.

558
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: And on randomly on clubhouse, I was in a room

559
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: and there's a discussion about water and whether or not

560
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: water has some you know, water waters relationship with consciousness.

561
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting conversations there. For for me personally, they're very

562
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: high level. It's not something that I necessarily believe, but

563
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: it is fascinating to think about. And for some reason

564
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: that conversation linked up with this vision of humans as

565
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: water module molecules essentially moving as a fluid. I don't

566
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: know if there's a connection there that I wonder if

567
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: anybody listening has any you know, thoughts on that or

568
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: insight into that, and just the makeup of the human body,

569
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: the special relationship that life has with hydrogen and oxygen

570
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: in that particular, you know, set up. I just finished

571
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: watching the Dune movie the other day. It took me

572
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: a couple of sittings. It's a little long. Uh. And

573
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I will say I think that we are a little

574
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: bit at a disadvantage for having all of these first

575
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: run movies playing on demand. I do not think that

576
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: is the way of the artists intended, because it's so

577
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: easy to get distracted or watch them in like multiple sittings,

578
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, or like look at your phone. I think

579
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: you really do to fully experience a piece of art

580
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: like that, be kind of a captive audience, like in

581
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: a in a theater where you are shamed if you

582
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: look at your phone. Um. But there is a part

583
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: near the end of the movie. This isn't spoiler. I'm

584
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: just gonna read the quote. Um. This is from Frank

585
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Herbert's book and it's you Make Sense, And it reminded

586
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: me of that. Uh. This is the quote. A process

587
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with

588
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: the flow of the process must join it and flow

589
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: with it. Um. That's sort of the idea of the

590
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: dynamics of consciousness as liquid or like as you know,

591
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: being part of like the flow of information and uh consciousness.

592
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: I think that is really interesting when when I heard

593
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: that in the in the movie, UM, it really kind

594
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: of perked my ears up. Dude, Oh man, I'm gonna

595
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: get so trippy with some of that stuff talking about

596
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: the flow of time and how we experience each individual moment,

597
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: but what we really experience is the perceived change between

598
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: two stag states. Right, yeah, exactly, Alright, guys, I amn't

599
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: had enough Devil's to let us for this conversation. UM,

600
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: let's let's take another quick break here we're from a sponsor,

601
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: and then we'll come right back with some more messages

602
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: from you, and we're back with more. Oh man, man,

603
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm having such a good time. UM, just kind of

604
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: rattling through these. Uh, they're all so good, and you're right,

605
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: we don't get to get to nearly enough of these,

606
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: so it's nice to I don't know, I wonder if

607
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: we should maybe do this again. Um are we doing

608
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: all audio listener mail response episode? Um? But we have

609
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: one now coming from Chef Ben about an encounter at

610
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: a restaurant. Fellas, this is Chef Ben in Chicago. Got

611
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: a ghost story for you. So I'm not I'm not

612
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: much of a believer. I'm a little too pragmatic for

613
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. I kind of wish

614
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: I was. But I was working at a place in City, Michigan,

615
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: like fifteen years ago that we thought it was for

616
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: the tourists. Everybody said that this place was because it

617
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: was a fine dining restaurant B and B before, But

618
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: it has been like a big olden manor house before

619
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: the right. So after we closed up one day, I

620
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: was waiting for my at home, and I was standing

621
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: in the bar area. The whole back of the bar

622
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: was a big giant mirror, right and then all the

623
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: way to the right side of the bar was the

624
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: door that went back into the kitchen area. So I'm

625
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: standing there and to my left, reflected in the mirror,

626
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I see a woman walking through the dining room behind me,

627
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: gray dress or light gray almost white dress. I turned

628
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: to my left and look because there wasn't supposed to

629
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: be anybody in there. All the servers were back in

630
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: the office doing their checkouts and such. I turned to

631
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: my left and look in the dining room is empty.

632
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: I looked back in the mirror, and she's continuing to

633
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: walk through the dining room. I froze at that moment.

634
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: I froze, and all I could do was watch this

635
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: woman walk behind me in the mirror to my right.

636
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 1: So she passes behind me, she walked to the right.

637
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: She gets in the mirror to the end of the

638
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: bar on the right where the door is that passes

639
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: through into the kitchen, and steps in to the door.

640
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: So I'm seeing a reflection in the mirror of nobody

641
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: behind me. And then she stepped to my view out

642
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: of the mirror and into that doorway and then just

643
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: walked back into the kitchen. Ah. I have never been

644
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 1: able to explain this, and because we all made fun

645
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: of the notion that it was haunted, because again, we

646
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: just placed that up for the tourists. I never told

647
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: anybody about that. But I'll be honest with you, you're

648
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: gonna have to beat me out here. Scar got of it,

649
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: and I went back in the kitchen and waited for

650
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: my ride and the kitchen rather than continuing to wait

651
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: in the bar. Thanks for your show it is my

652
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: daily commute companion and keep it up, thanks, Matt. I

653
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: have to say it's it's it's descriptions like this from

654
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: clearly intelligent, sharp, eloquent, and skeptical people, um that really

655
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: make me question whe their ghosts exist or not in

656
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: the positive direction, you know what I mean? Like this

657
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: is a guy describing something in such vivid detail who

658
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: is clearly not woo woo type dude um and is

659
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: coming at it like with his own internal skepticism, questioning himself.

660
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: But that's some specific details right there. I mean, Lord, yeah,

661
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: it is well and Chef ben I I worked at

662
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: a restaurant, big facility that had a bunch of different

663
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: bars in it, and one of them was called the

664
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Speaker 1: main bar. And it looks exactly the way you're describing

665
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: this place where you're working. Where the on the right

666
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: hand side, it's the way you get into the kitchen.

667
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: If you're facing the bar. Right behind the bar, it's

668
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: just a giant mirror. And it was an old establishment,

669
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: I think eighteen hundreds when it was built, and I

670
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time, like after hours in that

671
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: bar area, you know, cleaning stuff up, making sure things

672
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: are ready. To go for the next service. And I

673
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: just have to say, I I got I get nervous

674
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: when I listen to that message because I can see

675
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: that happening. Even though I've never experienced it, I can

676
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: see I can fully imagine it because of the way

677
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: you described it, and as Noel said, you're describing it

678
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: very calmly, even though it did scare the f out

679
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: of you. Dude, I just want you to go back

680
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: there and just hang out of that bar, and I

681
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to go too, because I want to take

682
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird equipment and just record stuff. One

683
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: of those one those bank bank man thingies with the

684
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: antennas on the side, you know, Oh my gosh, Ben

685
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: Ben would go to town h on all of that. UM.

686
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what else there is to say about

687
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: that one other than just hearing the story uh in

688
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: in your voice, Chef Ben. I think we're both very

689
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: taken by this um and definitely warrants further exploration. Go

690
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: check it out again, give us a follow up. We'd

691
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: love to hear more. This is what I want to

692
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: here from other people. Why would that apparition or whatever

693
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: it was that Chef Ben saw, Why would it only

694
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: be visible in the mirror through a reflection and not

695
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, with his eyes as it's actually walking past.

696
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Because if you can see it in the mirror, there's

697
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: a light in some way being reflected off of that

698
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: you know, character, that ghost, that woman whatever was, there's

699
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: light being reflected off of her that is visible in

700
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: the mirror, but it is not visible to his eyes

701
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: as she's walking past. I I'm perplexed by that. You

702
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: think about vampire legends or something where it's exactly it's

703
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: it's and oh man, I just I don't know enough

704
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: about it, you know, like that explanation, I don't know.

705
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I've always described some kind of

706
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: mystical you know, um qualities to mirrors and prisms and

707
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: like the visible light spectrum, and you know, I mean

708
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: or there's science behind it, of course that describes the

709
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: phenomenon of what is happening when we see reflection, but

710
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: like you know, the infinity mirrors, when you have mirrors

711
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: reflecting against mirrors, I mean, to me, that's just like

712
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: mind bending lee cool psychedelic stuff. And to me, the

713
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: idea I actually just just googled ghost mirror or mirror

714
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: ghosts rather, and a bunch of stuff comes up. The

715
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: idea of haunted mirrors. Um. Of you know, mirrors are

716
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: often like a fixture in certain ghost stories or certain lore.

717
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: The idea of a black mirror, you know, or Ben

718
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: always talks about, you know what he's you know, say

719
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: my name in a mirror, you know, at midnight or whatever.

720
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, all of this stuff, like, there's a lot.

721
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: The idea of a mirror as a portal um is

722
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: a thing as well. Ghost portal mirror is a thing

723
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: on a ghost hunting wiki that I just found. Yeah,

724
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean mirrors. Mirrors are trippy. You can scry in them,

725
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: put some black paint on them. It's all kinds of

726
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: fun things you can do with mirrors. Um. What I've

727
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: been told is that you never want to put two

728
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: mirrors facing each other directly like that. Um And and

729
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: of course people said, don't do that, So I guess

730
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: what I'm building right now. Anyway, It's fine that it's

731
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: super cool. I hear, that's the thing you're not really

732
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: supposed to do. And there's it's dangerous. I don't know

733
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: right right to us? What is that bad? It's that good? No? No, no,

734
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: what what? Whatever? All I know is like a buddy

735
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: of mine, friend of the show David Field. UM. Incredible

736
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: artists by the way, check out his photography work. UM.

737
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: He built this thing he called a tests or act

738
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: in this warehouse in New Jersey for this like project

739
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: that he's working on. UM. And it's literally a cube

740
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: composed of mirrored panels that you then sit in the

741
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: center of and it's like reflections upon reflections upon reflections

742
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: where you literally it's sort of like those Cusama Infinity

743
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: mirrors exhibits that they're the one that's like the travels

744
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: and so popular with the pumpkins and stuff. It's a

745
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: very small space, but when you do that, it creates

746
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: the illusion of massive scale just going on into eternity. UM.

747
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: And to me that's magic, oh totally. Well. And if

748
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: it is, by the way, a really old building, like

749
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: what if that mirror really is the original, one of

750
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: the original mirrors or something right that's been around for

751
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: ages and ages and somehow through whatever system magic whatever

752
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: it is, has the memory of that woman walking through

753
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that bar, either a bunch of times or one very

754
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: important time. I don't know. It's a little out of

755
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: my range of like being able to think about it,

756
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: but I want to think about it, so again, right

757
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: to us, tell us what you think about this stuff,

758
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: or leave a voicemail. That's what we're gonna tell you

759
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: how to do that in just a minute after we

760
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: hear one more message. You ready for this? Yes, Sarah,

761
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: I guess I was just listening to one of your

762
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: recent listener on L episodes and you're talking about cartels,

763
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: and I just made me think about kind of unofficial

764
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: like mini cartel today. I don't know if you'd call

765
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: it a cartel. I guess they'll let's see you guys decide.

766
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: But I was kind of involved in so um you

767
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: guys a video games online video games or as the

768
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: sports to the very competitive market and there's you know,

769
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: millions and millions of people playing his games to try to,

770
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, get up in the ranks. So what I

771
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: was a part of was one of those third party

772
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: groups who would connect to you, the casual player to

773
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: these pro players where they're officially sponsored pros or if

774
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: they were still upper ninetieth percentile players who are he's

775
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: still competing at that pro level, just not on a

776
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: sponsored team, And what we would do is offer services

777
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: um too, you know, whether it's the level your character

778
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: gets you specific high end gear for the game, you know,

779
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: boost your ranks, basically carry you through the content for

780
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: a price. Um. And those prices were determined by our

781
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: third party group. And once we started getting a lot

782
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: of money coming in, because you know, time is money,

783
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: people would rather pay a handful of cash to get

784
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: death service down and set us spending you know, ten

785
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: hours a day trying to grind it us themselves. So

786
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: more and more groups started catching on the third party groups,

787
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: and um, what would happen was the price that drive down. Uh,

788
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: we were just competing against each other to protect driving

789
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: the price down. So they decided to come up with

790
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: a little mini cartel where the majority of probably seventy

791
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: of third party groups would fan together to just set

792
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: these prices and not compete on the prices together. So

793
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: they've maintain it as much as we can, keep it

794
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: as high, keep for profits of go from there. But

795
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone has ever mentioned this, but

796
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: it's just a little thing that's kind of behind the

797
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: curtain and all these video games, um, this one specifically,

798
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: but it's one game we're probably flowing around fifty five

799
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: thousand usc uh per month. So it's a reasonable business

800
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: out there that not many people talk about. So it's

801
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: one of the toss that do you guys and kind

802
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: of take it as you may. Thanks, feel free to

803
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: reach out if you need to any questions about it.

804
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm more than we willing to offer more details. Thanks.

805
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: By interesting right. Uh, you know this reminds me of

806
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: matt Is, like things like gold farming, you know, or

807
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: like uh where people you know will sell gold you

808
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: know in like um World of Warcraft or whatever like

809
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: bill a massive and then like sell it to others.

810
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that a thing? Oh? Yeah, that's definitely a thing.

811
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: I've really wish I knew more about which game or

812
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: even type of game. Uh, this anonymous person is working

813
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: on it. Thank you by the way for sending us

814
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: that message. Is fascinating stuff and I never thought about

815
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: how widespread that practices. Having some third party company that

816
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: will I guess gain access to your character and whatever

817
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: video game you're playing and level that character up a

818
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: mass as you said, resources and other things other items

819
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: that you may need if you want to compete in

820
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: the whatever p VP player versus player situation that game

821
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: offers and just the concept that several of these third

822
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: party groups or companies would get together and say, oh,

823
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: we're we're going to set the prices so we can

824
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: all stay in business. That's a very logical thing to do.

825
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know legal side of price fixing

826
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: in the arena, but that's my question, Matt, And that

827
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: was my question. You know, in the the Phoebus cartel situation,

828
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: like a cartel is called a cartel for a reason.

829
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: A monopoly is called monopoly for a reason. But in

830
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: my mind have a hard time differentiating between the two,

831
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: and it almost seems like both are kind of considered bad,

832
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: right I mean, I guess yeah. I mean we think

833
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: of cartel in terms of drug cartels, which inherently is bad.

834
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: But a cartel in and of itself isn't bad and

835
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: that's legal, whereas monopoly is not. Right, It's not that simple,

836
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: is it. You know, it's not. A monopoly would be

837
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: one group, one actual entity, right, that is the controlling

838
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: the soul controlling factor that is allowed, like ill able

839
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: to fix prices in that kind of thing. But they're

840
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: the monolithic one, right. A cartel is at least in

841
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: the way this one is being described. It's a group

842
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: of different companies that each have their own income right

843
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: their own profits, and they operate individually, and they are

844
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: coming together around a table and saying, Okay, if everybody,

845
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to charge X amount for you know, ten levels,

846
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: you're going to charge that amount. You're going to charge

847
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: that amount. We're all going to get the same you know,

848
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: potential business. Hopefully we can maintain the business that we

849
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: already have and get more business. But not one of

850
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: us is going to profit solely because we're that person

851
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: is lowering their prices below all of the other ones.

852
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Speaker 1: So it's more like an olagoppoly then an olagopoly where

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Speaker 1: there's like a handful of sellers that could let uh

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Speaker 1: participate together for the greater good of all um and

855
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: they you know, sort of pool their resources and set

856
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: prices that they all can succeed. Yeah, and it's not

857
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: easy to get into that kind of group. You have

858
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: to really like be an established force. You can't just

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Speaker 1: like ask to be a me a member. You kind

860
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: of have to be asked to be a member. Yeah,

861
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: it is like being led into a private secret club.

862
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: If you are going to collectively make the decision to

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Speaker 1: fix prices, because again, I don't know the league reality

864
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Speaker 1: of it feels feels like it might be not the

865
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: best thing to be talking about openly. Um, But who

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Speaker 1: knows right to us if you have any you know,

867
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: insight into that stuff. And I can't remember our honestly,

868
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember our past discussions about the ins and

869
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: outs of the legality of cartelly because I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the United States, price fixing is illegal. That practice

871
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: is illegal. So oligopoly involves price fixing essentially agreeing to

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00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: set a cap, you know, to have like an arrangement.

873
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: You're supposed to let the market forces sort that stuff

874
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: out right, the free market economy. But if you have

875
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: forces outside of the market that I'm manipulating the market,

876
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: then that's illegal. It is, wouldn't you say? Maybe I

877
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't know. I'm not an attorney, Okay,

878
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't and understand. All I know

879
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: is that whoever that anonymous person is, uh, whoever you are,

880
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: we appreciate you telling us that story because that's fascinating.

881
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: And now I just want to, like, I don't know,

882
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: I need to put some money away to level up

883
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: a character on some game. I just have to figure

884
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: out which game it should be. If you're listening out there,

885
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: which game should we be trying to play on a

886
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: professional level, because whatever that is, we'll just get our

887
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: characters level up. And you know, I didn't even know

888
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: you could do that. Yeah, I'm good in terms of

889
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: professional level. I am finally about I think about maybe

890
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: a little over the halfway point of Last of Us too.

891
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I finally got good enough at it where it wasn't

892
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,479
Speaker 1: just bumming me out getting my throat ripped out every

893
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: five seconds, because the death scenes in that game are

894
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: so brutal that it really makes you not want to

895
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: keep playing it if you keep dying repeatedly because they

896
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: change every time, and it's like you go from getting

897
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: your head smash it my hammer to get in your

898
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: guts torn out. And I finally have like gotten really

899
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: good at the stealth aspects of it. And so I

900
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: know it's really divisive game because there's some choices they

901
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: made with the plot, but I think it's brilliant. I

902
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: really have been enjoying it a lot. I'm enjoying is

903
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: a strong word for what is ultimately a very stressful experience.

904
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm playing right now. How about you, Matt,

905
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm not really playing much but Magic the Gathering Arena.

906
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: I've been playing that a lot as we're recording this.

907
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: There's a new set of MTG coming out, and my

908
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: our good buddy Wayne the former security guard. Now I

909
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: t I can't remember exactly what your position is, Wayne,

910
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: but he he reminded me through voicemail that there's a

911
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: brand new set coming out having to do with the

912
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: vampires and I believe a wedding. But yeah, MTG and Minecraft, buddy,

913
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: that's all that's on my list. I need to get

914
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: into something competitive, so let me know what I should

915
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: be playing, please, So hey, let us know what are

916
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: y'all playing. I am personally excited about this new Radiohead

917
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: game that's coming out for Yeah. It's like, you know,

918
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: they've got this reissue of Amnesiac and kid A called

919
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: kid am Easier. That's like, you know, got a bunch

920
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: of extra bonus stuff and outtakes and things. But they

921
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: made this very trippy looking game for PS five um

922
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: called the kid Amnesia Exhibition. It's also on Mac and PC.

923
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: It looks super trippy and interesting. Uh, definitely interested in

924
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: checking that one out. But um, yeah, no, I will

925
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: look at that for sure. I know I'm gonna play Horizon.

926
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: Whatever the next one is, there's a new one. I

927
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: never finished Zero. Don I need to that. That one

928
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: was pretty tricky too, with the stealth and stuff and

929
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: all the weird mechanical animals that you had to kill

930
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: with your bow and arrow. Great, beautiful, beautif beautiful game,

931
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: cool story, great, great main character loved it. Uh alright,

932
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: so thank you so much to Jackie, Matt, Johnny Logic,

933
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: anonymous n S A signals intelligence person, whoever you are.

934
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: Actually I know who you are, we just kept it

935
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Speaker 1: out of this episode. Corn Dog chef Ben, and anonymous

936
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: video game level upper maker of lots of money apparently

937
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: industry that I want to get in. Hey, uh send

938
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: a shout out. I want to know, like, could I

939
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: do that in my spare time? Could I do that

940
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: at night? Let me know, I'll take a job. Let's

941
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,520
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942
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,319
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943
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,600
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944
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,800
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945
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946
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947
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,319
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948
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952
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953
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961
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