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Speaker 1: You reached out to me at a time where I

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 2: We have a terrific guest today. I'm I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 3: Of his work.

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Speaker 2: But also in prepping for this interview, I discovered we

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Speaker 2: have an uncanny amount in common, like spooky and we'll

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Speaker 2: get into it, but you know him as as Riley

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Speaker 2: Pool from the National Treasure film series, Doug Billings in

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Speaker 2: the Hangover trilogy. He's starred on TV shows like The

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Speaker 2: New Normal and the Good Fight, and he's made his

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Speaker 2: mark on stage and plays like Lend Me a Tenor

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Speaker 2: and All New People.

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Speaker 3: It's Justin Bartha. Welcome to Off the Cup.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me Esse. I was telling you before,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I've been watching you on Bill

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Speaker 1: Maher for many years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's our first and that's our first uncanny connection.

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Speaker 1: It is I'm really curious about these connections.

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Speaker 2: Well, this one's not spooky, it's just I was on

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Speaker 2: Bill Maher with Zach Galifanakis. Okay, you know who's wonderful

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Speaker 2: and quest and I remember in the after party being

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Speaker 2: a little cold and he gave me his his jacket

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Speaker 2: and just adult. So we'll talk about I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about him. That's one very small cross old.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, there's more, there's more, there's more.

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Speaker 2: I can't First of all, I just can't tell you

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Speaker 2: how how happy National Treasure has made me in my life.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's sweet, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I watched those two movies like all the time because

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Speaker 2: I have anxiety, so I only watch things I've already seen.

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Speaker 3: For the most part. Okay, okay, both.

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Speaker 2: The National Treasures are so good and I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to watch them with my son.

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Speaker 1: How old is your son?

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Speaker 3: He's ten?

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Speaker 2: He okay, he was born the same year your daughter

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Speaker 2: was born, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yea, okay, okay. We're also we're both forty six.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, soon to be forty seven over here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, okay, So forty.

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Speaker 1: Six and my daughter's eleven.

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Speaker 3: Now when's your and he was December?

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Speaker 1: Okay, got it? Okay, so we're in similar experiences.

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, Zach has.

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Speaker 1: Given me his jacket also, so there you go.

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Speaker 3: I also lived in West Bloomfield. Shut up, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so how did I not know that? How did I

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Speaker 2: I didn't know because you're okay, you're born in Florida,

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Speaker 1: Eight, yeah, eight or nine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're the same age. I lived there ten

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Speaker 1: What. I went to Orchard Lake Middle School and then

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Speaker 3: Correct, right, okay, okay, where you go? Well?

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Speaker 2: I went to Doherty Middle which was behind my house.

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Speaker 2: I lived on Swan Lake Drive, which was Swallow, Swan

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know it's here in another connection. This is

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Speaker 1: gonna be so brual. But in Florida, my elementary school

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Speaker 2: And then because I had just moved to Michigan, I

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Speaker 1: Sure I knew Guygery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, God, oh my god. Which was in that like

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Speaker 1: Did Country Day? Did I know? Did Chris Webber the

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Speaker 2: And I just took my husband because he had never

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Speaker 3: And the Grand Hotel is so wonderful and.

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Speaker 1: Justin No, you don't have to say it so many times.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was pretty independent. You know. I was

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Speaker 1: From really early on, I just started to kind of

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, I just did this. I was

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Speaker 1: what do you you know? What did you do this summer?

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Speaker 1: What do you want to do? And then like what

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Speaker 2: Know, it's I most I did ballet and eventually very

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Speaker 1: movie kind of like an hour before it was done.

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Speaker 1: And it was like this interesting, weird thing between Affleck

439
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: and it was a gangster kind of comedy, you know,

440
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: Tarantino asque and you know, when we tested the movie originally,

441
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: there was a clause in this kind of contract that

442
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: Marty Brest had a final cut, which was you know,

443
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: very rare and still is incredibly rare, and there was

444
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: a clause if it had tested below a certain number,

445
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: then the studio at the time, which was Revolution run

446
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: by Joe Roth, could mandate these reshoots of like a

447
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: large portion of the movie. And I saw like a

448
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 1: fistfight between the head of the studio and Martin Brest,

449
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 1: where Ben Affleck and I are holding people back. The

450
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: stories are are crazy, And what happened was is the director,

451
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying the movie was great by

452
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: any means, but it was a completely different movie. And

453
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: it became kind of this Frankenstein to try and this

454
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: is kind of has been talked about to capitalize on

455
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: the relationship that was between Ben and Jen and kind

456
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: of you know, really took over all of media. So

457
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: they tried to fit kind of a rom com into

458
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: a kind of an offbeat comedic drama. And then you know,

459
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: it took almost a year and a half to make

460
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: that movie. When it came to reshoots, the director didn't

461
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: want to shoot the reshoots. At one point, Ben and

462
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: I rewrote a completely different script and we were trying

463
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: to get it approved by the studio. Like it was

464
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: so much into that we knew the reshoots were bad,

465
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: so we were trying to stop them, and we believed

466
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: in a lot of the stuff that we shot, you know,

467
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: but of course, when you frankenstein something together and it's

468
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, creativity by committee, it's going to end up bad.

469
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: And this ended up worse than you know, anyone could

470
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: possibly know. And unfortunately, as a young actor, like, wait,

471
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: all this stuff that I worked on for over a

472
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: year is now. But the character. I'm not saying my

473
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 1: performance is like the greatest, or anyone's performance is the greatest,

474
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: But the character is piecemeal together. There's stuff that doesn't

475
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: make sense. The whole backstories are gone, there's all these

476
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: scenes gone. You know, people aren't are not happy to

477
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: be there. It was the worst popular situation. So by

478
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: the time the movie was set to come out and

479
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: we are going to do press. Me doing press for

480
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: the first time in my entire life. Yeah, Ben came

481
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: up to me and he literally before my first interview,

482
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: he just wanted to He just goes, listen, I just

483
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: want you to know, is going to be really bad,

484
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: Like this shit is going to be bad. Just hang

485
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: in there. Knew it, well, he knew like the day

486
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: before kind of reviews, all that stuff came out, and

487
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: we had a sense that we knew that it wasn't good,

488
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: you know, of course, but you know, I'll stand by

489
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: that it wasn't the worst movie that year. Yeah, there

490
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: was a you know, no offense to the filmmakers of

491
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: from Justin to Kelly, but you know, there was definitely

492
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: there's stinkers every year, and I think this movie, you know,

493
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: I think it kind of introduced the word Shoden Freuda

494
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: to the kind of American public when attached to the

495
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. And I think, you know, there was that

496
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: exposure of Ben and Jen, which was a lot, and

497
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: there was this film that definitely is not good and

498
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: it was a perfect storm of horribleness.

499
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Speaker 2: Well, it's just such a shame because there's so many

500
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: talented people attached to that, and I'm wondering what you thought,

501
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 2: like the Ben and.

502
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: Jen reboot, what did you think? Oh? God, like we're I.

503
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: Mean, you know, honestly, you know, selfishly, you know, I

504
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: was like, listen, I want of course, I love them

505
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: both and I want them to find happiness. Yeah, but

506
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: on a selfish way, I was like, here comes all

507
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: the Gli shit.

508
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Again, right right, you know guys, it was.

509
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: You know, here we go. I gotta I gotta think

510
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: about that. Here's another cycle which again is going away.

511
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: As someone that is also, by the way, fascinated by

512
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, bombs of Hollywood. I love these stories Heaven's

513
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: Gate and the stories behind the falls of studios, and yeah,

514
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: it's fascinating stuff. But it's it's it's very odd to

515
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: be kind of like weirdly in it and then kind

516
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, this is a this is made twenty

517
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: you know, twenty years ago more than you know. I'm like, Okay,

518
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: it's still it's amazing how much, how how it lasts.

519
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: But I guess it's also you know, Ben and Jenn

520
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: are they are still incredibly famous people?

521
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: Yes, they are, Okay, another weird coincidence let's talk about Rollers.

522
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Holy Rose is all right there. Sorry, but but

523
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: you are an Orthodox Jew that deals drugs.

524
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: Indeed, uh no.

525
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: Holy Rollers was co produced by two of my very

526
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: good friends, Ryan Silbert and Rob Profusek.

527
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: I don't know if you worked with those.

528
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: I mean Ryan, Yeah, for sure, I mean Ryan, I

529
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: think I've known for a long time.

530
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: For sure, we both we all went to Cornell together.

531
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Speaker 1: Okay, it was so wild, but you know, that was

532
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: another That movie was another wild experience for me. Temmy

533
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: oh man, Well, what were you going to say, let's go,

534
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: let's follow your past.

535
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: I wanted to know what that what filming it was

536
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: like because I've I've not worked with those guys.

537
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: They're just friends, and it's such a quirky film.

538
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen that movie. What's interesting about that movie,

539
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: It really kind of to me what it brings up

540
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: is kind of the hustle it takes to get an

541
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: independent film made. Yeah, especially now. But but then it's

542
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: like this this guy that I'd known for a while,

543
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: Danny a Danny abo Aba Kassar, had this idea and

544
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: kind of a seed of an idea from like a

545
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: news magazine show that he saw that he'd seen and

546
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: he sent it to Jesse Eisenberg, who you know, I

547
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: was very close with, and we you know, the idea

548
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: was so great that the script at the time was

549
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: kind of a different thing. It was kind of more

550
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: set up to be almost like a B movie, like

551
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: a shoot him up kind of thriller, and Jesse and

552
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: I worked on kind of, you know, retooling it into

553
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: this kind of character drama story about you know, kind

554
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: of the fall from religion and brotherhood and what it

555
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: means to be in an insular community and all this stuff.

556
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: And it was, you know, we shot that movie for

557
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: for nothing, you know, in like eighteen days in New

558
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: York and certainly you know, at certain point you know

559
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: there's a yeah, there's it was. It was an interesting

560
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: shoot where some people had some difficulties kind of staying

561
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: on track. And Okay, but you don't hear you don't

562
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: hear a lot about the small movies. But yeah, but

563
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: we're very proud of that movie. We a lot of

564
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: my close friends. You know, one of my closest friends

565
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: was the cinematographer on the movie, who now is one

566
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: of a great the great cinematographers shot White lotus and everything,

567
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: and Jesse helped cast it, and we helped produce it

568
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: and really put it together and bootstrap it, and we're

569
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: super proud of it.

570
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely another thing you're proud of. You mentioned this earlier,

571
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: the New Normal. I know you're really proud of that

572
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: show and disappointed that it got canceled. But I was

573
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: wondering what your thoughts were going into You're going into

574
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: a network comedy, You're going into a Ryan Murphy production,

575
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: You're going into a show that, apparently for some people,

576
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: was considered controversial. This is even after like Will and Grace.

577
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: But anyway, what were all of your thoughts going into

578
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: the New Normal.

579
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I listen, I really wanted to work

580
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: with Ryan Murphy. I was sent that script and I

581
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: read it, and it just even though on television you

582
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: have certainly shows that tackle, you know, homosexuality and in

583
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 1: a way like Soap and Will and Grace and Modern Family,

584
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: this seemed like kind of a ratcheting up of issues

585
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: that were interesting. Surrogacy, real intimacy where you see men truly,

586
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, be affectionate with each other, and certainly tackling

587
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: bigotry within that, and and you know, it was something

588
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: that I really wanted to be a part of. I

589
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: have one brother who's gay and had a difficult time

590
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: kind of you know coming out and and and coming

591
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: into his own and it was Yeah, it was just

592
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: there was so many wonderful people involved, and it was

593
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: something that we're proud of and and you know, kind

594
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: of in hindsight we are. It was also the only

595
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: thing that Ryan Murphy has ever done that was canceled

596
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: after one season. But yeah, there was it was interesting

597
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: to be kind of you know, there was controversy or

598
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: the Million Moms, this whole thing that we start to

599
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: understand when you're in you know, not necessarily the center,

600
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: but when that stuff is pointed at you, you're like,

601
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: you can see the artifice of all of the politicking

602
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: of these groups and how you know, they try to leverage,

603
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, any type of controversy and to just press

604
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: right and having to navigate that in a way where

605
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: you're like, you don't want to underplay it, which you're

606
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: just like, to me, this is just normal, you know.

607
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: But the title of the show really was aprobo. I

608
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: mean that it was kind of overly kind of preachy

609
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: or progressive to certain people, and it felt like it

610
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: was a little bit ahead of its time, even though

611
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was a perfect show, but we

612
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: could have, you know, we all thought that it could

613
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: have kind of found it stride.

614
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: Do you think it was canceled for political reasons?

615
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it was canceled for political reasons.

616
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: I think that I think there are a lot of

617
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: different reasons. My sense is that it was certainly came

618
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: out during like this transitional period of network television, and

619
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: I think, like, you know, the ratings that you know,

620
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: if you just waited two years, the ratings that it got,

621
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: it actually they would have been like, oh, this is

622
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: a really successful TV show. But like you know, during

623
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: that time, it was really kind of like this bubble thing,

624
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: and then the rewards weren't worth the risk. I guess

625
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

626
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the hangover. Why why do Brad

627
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: and Ed and Zach.

628
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: Get to have all the fun and hijinks in those movies?

629
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: You're fun, thank you? You know?

630
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: That was that's the way then the concert. I mean,

631
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: the character, you know, Doug is the kind of I

632
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: always describe him as kind of like the glue in

633
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: the sense with when you take him away, everything falls apart.

634
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: So he's you know, he's kind of designed as everyone's there.

635
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: In a way, he's the connector, if you you know,

636
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: the main for me, you know, in a way when

637
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: I was looking at that character, the main thing that

638
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: stood out was these three Why would these three guys

639
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: ever be in the same room? Right, So without Doug,

640
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: You're like, there's no connector. So he has to be

641
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: a little bit nerdy, a little bit empathetic to his

642
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: brother in law, a little bit you know, strong, and

643
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of a ballsy like Bradley's character. You know, he's

644
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: a device in a sense.

645
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that.

646
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: And then just to circle back on National Treasure, what

647
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: did you did you have any misgivings about doing like

648
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: a big Disney I did?

649
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean I did. I was a snobby little boy.

650
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: I was just you know, I was coming at a

651
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: film school. The first, you know, I did Gelie, which

652
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: hadn't really you know, it was still a kind of

653
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: a priss even though it was a bond. I still

654
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: worked with all of these people. The second thing I

655
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: ever did was a Sydney Lamette movie for HBO that

656
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: never came out. So I was like, really, like, I

657
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: want to friend this was hanging out with me being like, justin,

658
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: don't do this. I never thought that I would ever,

659
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, even have a chance to do this, So

660
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: when it was initially sent to me, I was like, nah,

661
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: fuck this. And I was also in a weird place,

662
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, do I want to quit?

663
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: Because of the Gili thing. It was so kind of

664
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: like ugh, oh wow, And then I ended up you know,

665
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: my agents were like, you'd be stupid to not just

666
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: read it's Nick Cage. I was like, I do love

667
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: Nick Cage the Great. And then Bruckheimer, who had who

668
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: was friends with Martin Brest. He knew Martin well, and

669
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: Marty had shown him before the public got hold of it,

670
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: had shown him Jillie, and he was he was into.

671
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: He was the one guy that was into what I

672
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: was doing in that movie. So he he was became

673
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: a champion of mine at that time. But yeah, I was.

674
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: I was certainly like no. I was like, I don't

675
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: know if I want to be in this big action movie.

676
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: This is kind of a different thing. And then you

677
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: know the character of this comedic sidekick. The way it

678
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: was written, you know, the script was worked on for

679
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: a long long time. It was like a little like, Okay,

680
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: we've seen this before, what am I going to do

681
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: with this? I don't know what I'm going to do

682
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: with this, So obviously once I got on board, it

683
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: was like the greatest experience ever. Yeah, you know, I

684
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: think everything that I do, I have some fear to

685
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: jump in. I'm always like can I do this? Should

686
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I do? You know?

687
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

688
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have that that no before jumping in with everything.

689
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: I do too, because my business is similar to yours

690
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: in that it's not linear. There's no like, Okay, if

691
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: you want to get here, you do A B and

692
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: C and then you're there. There's all these career forks

693
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: and moments where Okay, if I do this, is this

694
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: going to take me off in this direction that I

695
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: don't love ultimately, or.

696
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: Is this going to be the thing that takes me

697
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: exactly where I want to get?

698
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: You never know, and so it's always just a gut

699
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: instinct and maybe agents and people around you telling you

700
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: what to do, but like they're always tough decisions.

701
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but it's also like so much of it

702
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: is an idea of what you want, you know, it's

703
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: it's all a fantasy in a way. Like you like,

704
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: the best stuff I've ever done is just either kind

705
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: of going with it and jumping in or just you know,

706
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: trying something completely different. So yeah, I think like when

707
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: I was younger, I was incredibly careful of every step,

708
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: and then a lot of people are, you know, being

709
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: like you should do that, you should be you know.

710
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: So it's navigating that specific world when you're in your

711
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: early twenties. It's just bizarre. Yeah, But ultimately it was

712
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: exactly what you know I always loved, you know, and

713
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: came up you know, in my high school we would

714
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: do these vaudeville productions and it was like the most

715
00:36:51,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: flow that I've ever felt in my life.

716
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Or not young borld now and honestly share you we

717
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: look good, We did look good.

718
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: We look great. But it's funny on this show.

719
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: I see that blue, I see that blue. You looking

720
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: good in that blue?

721
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, Thank you, sir.

722
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: We talk a lot on this show about career arcs,

723
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: and I don't know why this always comes up, but

724
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm often interviewing creative people of an age, and it

725
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: comes up a lot that we're like existentially wrestling with Okay,

726
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm forty six, who where am I going to go next?

727
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: And I'm also a mom.

728
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: That's you know, another life I've taken on And are

729
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: there things I still want to accomplish? Can I leave

730
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: the thing that I've been doing for twenty years? We

731
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: still know who I am? Do I have an identity

732
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: without it?

733
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: Like?

734
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: Why do you think at this age that it brings

735
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: up so many of those questions? And do you have

736
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: some of those same anxiety?

737
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: Those anxieties are my identity? Of course I have those anxieties.

738
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: I am constantly wrestling with that stuff, especially you know,

739
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: within our business, which is evolving at a rate that

740
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: is exponentially difficult to you know, hold on to.

741
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: And also it's changing so much.

742
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a very similar thing.

743
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, listen, I've been incredibly fortunate, I

744
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: think we both have in our career. And once I

745
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: had kids, which is something that I really kind of

746
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: always wanted to do, it certainly shifted quite a bit

747
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: in my ambitions and my you know, priorities, and then

748
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, I think the pandemic times was kind of

749
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: really super charged, not just those anxieties but also those

750
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of existential questions of what am I doing, you know,

751
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: especially within my own industry, you know, which was shut

752
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: down and you had to figure out what you were doing.

753
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I was weirdly incredibly busy during that time,

754
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: and I also was I live in Brooklyn, It's like

755
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the epicenter of the pandemic, and you're like, okay, what

756
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: am I doing here? I had I had sold something

757
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: to write right before everything shut down, so I was

758
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to write a comedy during the pandemic.

759
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: And then also like my family had no as a

760
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: lot most families had no income, so we're like okay,

761
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: And I launched a business with my wife, a fitness app.

762
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: She's a fitness instructor, and we launched this this fitness

763
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: app during the pandemic, which then became a pretty big business.

764
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: It like took off. So my, you know, my, I

765
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: had a really hard time focusing on what I had

766
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: been doing writing and and creating up until that point.

767
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: I was scatted, like right, I felt like it was impossible.

768
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: And then I started building this business with my wife

769
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: that was really bringing me joy and also trying to

770
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: you had to step up your parent game to you know,

771
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: teaching my kid how to read. I'm trying to educate them. Yeah, school,

772
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: My schools were like every like you're you filling in

773
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: all the gaps. You're filling in all the gaps, and

774
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: like you have to rise to the occasion or it

775
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: all falls apart. So you're you know, that kind of

776
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: mix of the thing that I had been doing for

777
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: a long time. You know, it's not that simple, but

778
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 1: the thing that I had been doing a long time.

779
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: You know, there was a big shift when my kid

780
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: was born and then my second kid was born in

781
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: trying to support a family in a traditional way doing

782
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: off Broadway theater for four hundred dollars, you know, I

783
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: just kind of had a mental breakdown.

784
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: Yep, me too.

785
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: And then yeah, I truly was like I don't know

786
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: how to do that. There was no there's no one

787
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: in my life that was like, this is how you

788
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: do it. And it was like, Okay, this is a

789
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: huge shift from the life that I had built in

790
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: a great way but also in a confusing way. And

791
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: then the pandemic shifted in a beautiful way, you know,

792
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, strangely for my family because I started to

793
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: build this business with my wife, and she really found

794
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: her flow in the world with kind of creating a

795
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: fitness app out of all of her training for years,

796
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: and this business really blew up. And then kind of

797
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: on the other side of it all, you know, certainly,

798
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: I was left with, Okay, I don't know what's bringing

799
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: me joy. The thing that I had been doing for

800
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: so long is not bringing me joy. Building a business

801
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: is really interesting. It's something that I'm doing with my wife,

802
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: and it's something that I'm seeing a lot of success in.

803
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: It's and it's kind of, you know, stretching a different muscle.

804
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: And then the opportunities that I had been blessed with

805
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: for many years were kind of disappearing. I also, you know,

806
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: just the way I moved within the industry in the

807
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: first part of my career, which is really centered on myself,

808
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: but you know, trying to build that I wasn't that important.

809
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave New York. I didn't want

810
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: to move away from my family. I was only taking

811
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: jobs that was that were in New York. I couldn't

812
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: understand how to, you know, go to another country for

813
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 1: six I was just like I couldn't figure it out.

814
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to do it, and

815
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: then that had repercussions, so I think and then our

816
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: industry is just so different now and it's just like

817
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: it certainly has forced me to, you know, supercharge the

818
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: therapy and try to find different therapeutic modalities that can help,

819
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: and try to get right in a way that everyone

820
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: should do, whether you're you know, whether you've changed or

821
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: not and everyone has, or whether you have to, whether

822
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: your identity is defined by your career or whether it's not.

823
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: You know, so long answer is yes.

824
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a journey so similar to my experience

825
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: with my business and my family and COVID and all

826
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: the things I got therapy, I got on medication started

827
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: talking about mental health.

828
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: What do you do now to protect your mental health?

829
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean to protect it? I mean, I know, the things.

830
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 3: You wouldn't have known to do before.

831
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean for me, you know, the question

832
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: comes at an interesting time because you know, you you

833
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: reached out to me at a time where I was

834
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: at an odd you know, mentally, I was at a

835
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of a dark spot and I was like, you know,

836
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: I was like talking about myself seemed like the worst possible.

837
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: It seems literally a nightmare, which it always kind of

838
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: has been. But I you know, to me, it's about

839
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: being aware of where you're at. I just did something.

840
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've maybe heard of the Hoffman process, have

841
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: you heard? Yeah, So I just got back from that,

842
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, fairly recently, which was fantastic, and you know,

843
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: you kind of you know, gain new tools too to

844
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: be aware and be uh and and uh and take

845
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: care of yourself mentally, which was super helpful. And it's

846
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: I think it's just about leaning into new possibilities and

847
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: not sticking with the same thing, whether it's you know,

848
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: you're doing traditional talk therapy for a long time and

849
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: maybe you think that it's just that's the it's just fine.

850
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: It's being like, no, maybe we should try something different.

851
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not working out the same muscle.

852
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: So I think it's about, you know, like almost anything

853
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: in life, it's the willingness to adapt, evolve and change.

854
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: Yep.

855
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: And what's your relationship This also comes up a lot

856
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 2: on the pod. What's your relationship with social media?

857
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: Phones? It's all that stuff.

858
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my you know, I'm a bit of

859
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I I don't really engage. I

860
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: don't really engage in social media at all. Not because

861
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm like it's the great evil, even though I think

862
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: it is. But I also think it's great. I think

863
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: it's every people have, you know, litigated this for a

864
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: long time. You don't need my voice on that. But personally,

865
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: I just find it so addictive. Like whenever I'm on

866
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: my you know, I'm not really on social media. I

867
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: have like a page that, you know, because once in

868
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: a while I need to reach out to people, right,

869
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: but I'm not. I don't engage at all, and I'm

870
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: still on my phone. Yesterday, I was trying to work.

871
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: I had work to do, I had to give notes

872
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: on a script, and I kept on being on my phone.

873
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: I would I literally throw my phone in anger focus

874
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: and then I find myself going for the phone and

875
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm a monkey. So I unders I just

876
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: can't do it. You know, I talked to I mentioned

877
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: that Hoffmann process. During that, you know, it's like a

878
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: week long kind of emotional boot camp, and you have

879
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: no there's no phones, there's nothing, And the effect that

880
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: it had on me was astoun It was just like

881
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: you're so present, it's like it feels amazing just that,

882
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: and we grew up in a time where we didn't

883
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: have that shit, So you know, I know that it's

884
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: a drug. I like drugs a lot, and I have

885
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: to keep myself away from drugs. So to me, it's

886
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's baked into the cake, and I try

887
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: to stay off of it with with with my kids,

888
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm really strict about kind of screens in general. I

889
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: got my I actually got my my eleven year old

890
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: and Apple Watch recently, and I regret it. Just the

891
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: Apple Watch. He's not even on it, and I'm just like,

892
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: it's this umbilical cord. It's the bilical cord of all

893
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: of these kind of social media phones anything that I

894
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: think is kind of part of the danger, not just

895
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: the distraction, but I I my main thing is trying

896
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 1: to be like a a curator of content as much

897
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: as I can of like I'm showing my kids movie

898
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, like let's watch movies that are great instead

899
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: of just like going on YouTube shorts, which once in

900
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: a while is fine, but trying to like get you know,

901
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: work out the attention span. I think that's the great

902
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: thing now of that even adults need to do is

903
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: they need we need to work on our attention span

904
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: so we can actually, you know, consume longer form narrative

905
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: and all that stuff and tell my kids love stories

906
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: and really tell longer stories and not just skibbity toilet.

907
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: The worst. S give me, toilet is the worst. If

908
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: I have to hear that one more time in my.

909
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: House, I wish I understood it.

910
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh same, Yeah, at least at least we

911
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: have Riz.

912
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: We have Riz, have Riz. We have so much Riz.

913
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: We have Ris. Okay, so what's coming up?

914
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: I have this movie called Nuked that that I'm in.

915
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: It's a great ensemble cast that I also helped produce

916
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: and put together, and it was kind of born out

917
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: of the pandemic and it's an adult relationship stoner comedy,

918
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: which you don't get a lot of these days. It's

919
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: an actual comedy. I can promise you that there are

920
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: laughs and that it's it's coming out on July eleventh,

921
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 1: same day that's Superman. So if you're not looking forward

922
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: to seeing Superman, which is me, okay, maybe stay at

923
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: home with a drink or a joint with a loved

924
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: one and rent this movie Nuke. I guarantee it is

925
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: a good time and it's a lot of fun.

926
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait. I will absolutely do that.

927
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: Because I stay away from superheroes and comic books.

928
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: I listen for the family. I guess those are fine.

929
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: But this is like when was the last time you

930
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: saw a good relationship comedy?

931
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, I love it. I live for that perfect

932
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: I do too.

933
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: So I made one for you, and I'd love for

934
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: you to see it, just for me, just for me.

935
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: Great nuked, we'll see it. Okay, let's go to a

936
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: lightning round.

937
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: What's your best high school memory?

938
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: You know, I would you know it's as the actor.

939
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: I would say that first time that I got on

940
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: stage was at in high school playing the janitor and

941
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: Inherit the wind and Meeker and just sweeping the stage.

942
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: I was just like, all of a sudden, it was

943
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: like the first time that I really remember remember being

944
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: in like a flow state that I think we all

945
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of try to get to these days.

946
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: Cool rank vs. Friends, Fraser Seinfeld.

947
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: Well, Seinfeld's one, Yep, it's correct. I mean, I guess

948
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: Fraser than Friends. I wasn't the biggest Friends fan. I mean,

949
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: I like it, but you know, I didn't really watch

950
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: Fraser that much. I don't know, it isn't toss. I

951
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: did a little. Yeah, I mean I liked, you know,

952
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: to me to us the Fraser thing, even though it's

953
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: a brilliant show. Like I love Cheers, so Fraser is

954
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: always a spin off of Cheers to me that I

955
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: couldn't quite so like Cheers would be number one. But

956
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: but I guess Fraser than Friends.

957
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. National Treasure one or two?

958
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not for me to decide. To tell

959
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: me as the fan, you tell me which one you like.

960
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: Gosh, they're both great in their own way.

961
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 3: I love.

962
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the American history of National Treasure,

963
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: yeah one so much. And you know, Philadelphia and I

964
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 2: grew up in New England, so all those stories are

965
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: like very close to me.

966
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 3: I love that.

967
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: But I also love I love the President and the

968
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: second one.

969
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: And that's sort of leading into all of.

970
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: Your conspiracy theories. That's a really fun strain in it.

971
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: And I love that you go to Europe in the

972
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: second one. I mean, they're both great. Will there be

973
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: a National Treasure three? Everyone wants to know.

974
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's they've been trying for so many years.

975
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: So long.

976
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's tough. I mean it's the question

977
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: that I could probably get asked the most, and you know, yeah,

978
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean I think we've gotten close recently. Okay, Nick's

979
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: obviously killing it and doing great work. Yeah, I think

980
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: so much of it is the economics of it, all

981
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: of like, you know, these big Disney movies and blah

982
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: blah blah. But they have been working on a script

983
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: for quite a while. I don't think it's going to

984
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: happen any time soon, but I think if all the

985
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: people can get back together. John turtletob is the director

986
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: who's the secret sauce of the whole franchise. You know,

987
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: we've been we've been trying. I mean, you know, we

988
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: certainly you know, Bruckheimer's office has checked in recently. I

989
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: mean it's definitely still it's definitely still out alive. It's alive,

990
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: still alive.

991
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: Okay, cross cross fingers. Who's an actor you haven't worked

992
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: with yet but would like to? Well, I guess Dniro,

993
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: I mean for sure.

994
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many, Uh, there's so many. Yeah,

995
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's yeah, I don't know. I mean, I

996
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: think Shia lah Buff is so good I would love to,

997
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, spar with him. There's so many. I mean,

998
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: I haven't worked with some of the great you know

999
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:46,720
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep.

1000
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, Yeah. What's your favorite book?

1001
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: Huh? A favorite book? That's rough. I mean what what

1002
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: pops into my mind is Catcher in the Rye And

1003
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: it's a lot cliche, but yeah, that's I mean, that's

1004
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, I would say Catcher in the Rye.

1005
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: There's this book called Hunger that had a huge effect

1006
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: on me by Newte Hampson that I read years ago

1007
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: that I really love.

1008
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: Is that fiction?

1009
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1010
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: Okay? What's your favorite hangover food?

1011
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm not a big drinker, but you know, a nice

1012
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: turkey ruben? What turkey ruben sandwich? It's just covered in

1013
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: thousand Island cole slaw and ship your favorite? What's your

1014
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: favorite hangover food?

1015
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: Probably like ramen Like that sounds.

1016
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: Gross to be with a hugover slurping and ship Yes.

1017
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: Roast to me?

1018
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1019
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: All right?

1020
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: Uh, what's what's your favorite what's your favorite book?

1021
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 3: Well, it's a tie.

1022
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: I really love The Stranger by Camo that's up there

1023
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: to keep that it's a great one.

1024
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 3: And I also love Rabbit Run by John Updyke.

1025
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't read Rabbit Run.

1026
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: It's great.

1027
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: What's your favorite band? And then what do you think

1028
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: is the most overrated band?

1029
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean favorite band that's I mean, I would say,

1030
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: I would say it's I'm such a huge music head.

1031
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: It's tough. I mean, I guess for life. Radiohead is

1032
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: up there, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. You know, there's

1033
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: so many. I love the Stones, I love Beatles. M

1034
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: overrated band, I don't, I don't know. It's mean. I

1035
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: don't know.

1036
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 3: Okay, you don't have to be mean.

1037
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be mean. I mean, I

1038
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: have so much reverence for it's you two. Oh god,

1039
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: I have so much reverence for anyone that can play music.

1040
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: I like, you know, if they can do it.

1041
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: Great diplomatic, I like it. Yeah, this is the last question.

1042
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: It's the most important to us. We ask it at

1043
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: the end of every podcast because it's important to me culturally.

1044
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: When is it iced coffee season?

1045
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Right now? I had an iced coffee this morning.

1046
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 3: Great, it's cut.

1047
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes I go ice coffee in the winter.

1048
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: It's always ice coffee.

1049
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: That's the correct answer, justin that's the correct answer. It's

1050
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: your round. Yes, it's your round.

1051
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: Depends on what I mean. If you go into if

1052
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 1: you go somewhere that has the heat on in winter,

1053
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you want a little ice coffee.

1054
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: It has got for me. It has nothing to do

1055
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 3: with the temperature. I just always want an iced coffee.

1056
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: That's absolutely love it for yourself. Get a frappuccino once

1057
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: in a while.

1058
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: Hey, you go crazy, absolutely so what who cares? Bartha?

1059
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: This was so fun? Thank you, Thank you. I appreciate it.

1060
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: I wish I could ask you a bunch of questions

1061
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: right now, but I guess for the inevitable podcast that

1062
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I start, you can.

1063
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 3: Ask me one question. What question would you?

1064
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I am interested. I am interested about the

1065
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: Bill maher experience and kind of like how that evolved

1066
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: you've been on to me and how that evolved over

1067
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: years and how you know if like you know, you're yeah,

1068
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: how how is that experience?

1069
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 2: It's the best and the toughest thing I do in

1070
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: my job. I don't get nervous for TV because I'm

1071
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: on live TV all day and I don't even notice,

1072
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: you know, when cameras are on. Now that's different. It's

1073
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: a live audience. That's a different thing. It's once you're

1074
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 2: not coming back anytime soon. You might be coming back

1075
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: like next year, but you don't get to like redeem

1076
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: yourself immediately. If it doesn't go right, it airs re

1077
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: airs six times.

1078
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 3: Over one weekend.

1079
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: So if you if you do, great, that's the best

1080
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 2: week of your life. If you don't, it's agony. It's agony.

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Speaker 2: And then depending on where I am politically in the moment,

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Speaker 2: and Bill is politically in the moment, he's either you know,

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Speaker 2: cheering me on, which is great, or an adversary, which

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Speaker 2: is tough because usually it's me against everybody else. So

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Speaker 2: you really have to be prepared. These are smart people

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Speaker 2: who know what they're talking about. So it's just a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot, but when it goes well. First of all,

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Speaker 2: I think it's the greatest political show on television, and I've.

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Speaker 1: Been watching him for my whole life.

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Speaker 2: Yes, back when it's politically correct. Absolutely, he's incredibly talented.

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Speaker 2: But the producers of that show are also incredibly talented,

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Speaker 2: and it's such a well oiled machine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Both.

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Speaker 1: I always really appreciate you on that show because you

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Speaker 1: don't pander to the audience. You do say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you have a you know, kind of in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: a centrist type of view, and I think that that's

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Speaker 1: super needed. And you know, and I always love seeing

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Speaker 1: you on there sparring.

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Speaker 2: Thanks well, I love doing it, and thanks for saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, so do you feel better?

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Speaker 3: You asked a question.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I could keep going, but.

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Speaker 3: Sure, well we can do this again. But thank you

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Speaker 3: so much. I really really loved it. Thanks for talking

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Speaker 3: about mental health.

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Speaker 2: It always makes me happy because when we do, of

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Speaker 2: course talk about mental health, we make it easier to

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Speaker 2: talk about mental health.

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Speaker 3: Just the point.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thanks, thank you, Essie.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next week on Off the Cup, I sit

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Speaker 2: down and talk to singer songwriter Eric Hutchinson.

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Speaker 4: That's the first thing I do when I write a song,

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Speaker 4: as I spend a couple of days trying to figure

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Speaker 4: out if it's someone else's song or not.

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Speaker 3: Are you serious? Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of songwriters that do that. But

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Speaker 4: a lot of the times why it sounds good to

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Speaker 4: you while you're writing is because you've already heard it

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Speaker 4: somewhere else before it.

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Speaker 2: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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Speaker 2: part of the Reason Choice Network. If you want more,

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Speaker 2: check out the Other Reason Choice Podcasts, Politics with Jamel Hill,

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Speaker 2: and natively For Off the Cup, I am your host

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Speaker 2: se Cup.

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Speaker 3: Editing and sound design by Derek Clements.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are me Se Cup, Lauren Hanson, and

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Speaker 2: Lindsay Hoffman. Rate and review wherever you get your podcasts,

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