Speaker 1: Look here is shu only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer
Speaker 1: director at a quiet place, and I love films. As
Speaker 1: Andy Warhol once said, Land really is the best art
Speaker 1: except for films and novels. Man, I shouldn't really be competitive.
Speaker 1: Land is great, but I love films. Oh, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have started this. I've confused myself. Yeah, it is tricky, Andy,
Speaker 1: It is tricky. Every week I invite a special guest over.
Speaker 1: I tell them they've died. Then I get them to
Speaker 1: discuss their life through the films that meant the most
Speaker 1: of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Amber Ruffi, Mark Frost,
Speaker 1: Sharon Stone, and even Dead Bambles. But this week it
Speaker 1: is the excellent comic mister Garrett Millrick. Head over to
Speaker 1: the Patreontpatreon dot com forward slash Brett Goldstein, where you
Speaker 1: get about twenty minutes extra stuff with Garrett, including a secret.
Speaker 1: You also get the whole episode, uncut, ad free and
Speaker 1: as a video. Check it out over at patreon dot
Speaker 1: com forward slash Brett Goldstein Garrett Millrick is a brilliant comedian.
Speaker 1: He's about to head to Edinburgh with his six thousandth show.
Speaker 1: Garrett Millrick needs more space. He's a prolific and brilliant comic.
Speaker 1: He also has his own sitcom Do good As coming
Speaker 1: out in audible soon. Check him out in Edinburgh in August.
Speaker 1: We recorded this on Zoom a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: It was lovely to catch up with him and I
Speaker 1: think you're really going to enjoy it. So that is
Speaker 1: it for now. I very much hope you enjoy this
Speaker 1: episode three hundred and seven of this Films to be
Speaker 1: Buried with. Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried with.
Speaker 1: It is I Brett Goldstein and I am joined today
Speaker 1: by an actor, a radio star, a TV star, a podcaster,
Speaker 1: a writer, an Edinburgh fringe smash hit year after year,
Speaker 1: a husband, a no not a husband, and good that
Speaker 1: we checked, a man about town and a father and
Speaker 1: a very lovely man and one of the great comedians.
Speaker 1: He's here. Can you believe it? I can. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at him and if you are on the video you'll
Speaker 1: be seeing into Please welcme to the show. He's alive
Speaker 1: and well, and he's here. It's Gary Millery.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Brett, thanks for being here. How are you.
Speaker 2: That's all right, that's all I am. We were just
Speaker 2: saying we haven't seen each other very long time. I
Speaker 2: was married the last time we saw each other.
Speaker 1: It's really it has been a while since I saw you.
Speaker 1: You've had a baby and and a divorce. Divorce, yeah,
Speaker 1: one would guess, piece together. Yeah, mate, how's all that?
Speaker 1: If I may ask? Obviously, don't tell me anything too
Speaker 1: personal unless you want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got so Yeah, I've got three year old daughter.
Speaker 2: She's she is excellent. So I pick her up from
Speaker 2: nursery in a bit.
Speaker 1: So that's so nice. Yeah, nice that you have a baby. Now,
Speaker 1: for those of you listening, Garrett is a very very
Speaker 1: good comedian. And I first met Garrett. You're one of
Speaker 1: the few people I know who like I knew you
Speaker 1: from when you started and you had this gig? Is
Speaker 1: this right? And you invited me to come to your gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you were like I'm seeing it was
Speaker 1: like a gig for you and other actsp butts. It
Speaker 1: was clearly for you to like.
Speaker 2: Get that's the one. Yeah, it was. Yeah, the shod
Speaker 2: and for Decabaret in North Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was a fucking great gig. It was a
Speaker 1: great gig, and you were really great and now you're
Speaker 1: a big star and I'm very happy to see it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we met each other in basements
Speaker 2: in London and you are an Emmy winner for a
Speaker 2: legit movie star.
Speaker 1: Now, enough about me and all and all the bloody ellies,
Speaker 1: tell me about I'm just taking this Andy stuff. Excuse me?
Speaker 1: You're doing a new Edinburgh show? Is this correct?
Speaker 2: I am doing a new Edinburgh show? Yeah, once more
Speaker 2: under the breach.
Speaker 1: What number is this?
Speaker 2: Well? I've actually been going to the Edinburgh Fringe for
Speaker 2: twenty two years because I I think you and I
Speaker 2: had a sort of similar entry into Edinburgh. I started
Speaker 2: doing plays up there and I listened to your podcast
Speaker 2: with William H. Macy and you were like David Mammett
Speaker 2: and I too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did a load of mammet stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you Which else did you do?
Speaker 2: A Life in the Theater and Oliana? I directed both
Speaker 2: of those in Edinburgh years before I was.
Speaker 1: A stand up wow, and you were in them or
Speaker 1: you did director?
Speaker 2: I directed them. Yeah, So I did a little bit
Speaker 2: of acting at university and then the plan was to
Speaker 2: be a theater director and I've got to stand up
Speaker 2: by accident. So how did that happen? Well, basically, I
Speaker 2: was I got to a point probably just before we met,
Speaker 2: where I had been directing lots of weird stuff that
Speaker 2: was very much away from what I wanted to be doing,
Speaker 2: and the idea was like doing a bit of stand
Speaker 2: up and perform was just to kind of re engage
Speaker 2: with an audience because you know, to make plays and
Speaker 2: things you have to marshal resources and apply for funding
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I'd been doing all that, but then
Speaker 2: I ended up doing lots of weird stuff like directing
Speaker 2: music videos for city traders who were using their bonuses
Speaker 2: to try and make hip hop albums, and documentaries about
Speaker 2: things I wasn't interested in, but anything that would just
Speaker 2: you know, pay a little bit of money. So I yeah,
Speaker 2: I started doing stand up just as an experiment because
Speaker 2: there was it was very cheap. You don't have to
Speaker 2: marshal any resources any stand up You can literally just
Speaker 2: write something and go on and do it. So that
Speaker 2: was that would have been probably about a year before
Speaker 2: before we met.
Speaker 1: But where did it come from if you've been so
Speaker 1: in the world of plays and stuff and corporate hip
Speaker 1: hop videos, were you like secretly really into comedy, Like I've.
Speaker 2: Always been really into comedy, So yeah, that was kind
Speaker 2: of one of the mainly interesting things. And when I
Speaker 2: was at the Fringe, Oldoras watch a lot of stand
Speaker 2: up and I was very into sketch and sit comms
Speaker 2: and things as so I was growing up. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was kind of a it was there, and then
Speaker 2: it just it was Actually it was Stuart Lee's book
Speaker 2: that I was reading when I was directing a plane
Speaker 2: in Edinburgh and he's talking. He was talking in the
Speaker 2: book about the frustrations of commercial directing and and then
Speaker 2: there's a point where he goes back to stand up
Speaker 2: after a break and he said, with stand up, it's
Speaker 2: just you and a microphone and the possibilities at infinite
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, that's a good idea. And had
Speaker 2: I had a friend who she was just out of
Speaker 2: drama school, so I didn't really know what you do.
Speaker 2: But coming from the theater, well, I just book the
Speaker 2: Hending Chickens for two nights and called Michelle up on
Speaker 2: was like, I booked just an hour to do so we.
Speaker 1: He went straight through, it went straight straight to an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we did sort of twenty minutes solo each
Speaker 2: twenty minutes together. What to make up there? It was
Speaker 2: your together, so we did, we did sketches. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: all of it wasn't stand up that I was doing.
Speaker 2: It was it was kind of character stuff. So I
Speaker 2: then got into stand up having done character stuff for
Speaker 2: about a year and a half, I went into stand
Speaker 2: up just through MCing, like because that night I ran,
Speaker 2: if you remember, it was a variety night, so it
Speaker 2: had stand up in music and sketch and all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, because that's kind of stuff I like.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was all kind of a happy accident.
Speaker 1: Really. Two things. One is, there's the thing strictly says
Speaker 1: in that book which I think about often, where he
Speaker 1: talks about that most plays and theater practitioners are trying
Speaker 1: to do that, often trying to do a thing like
Speaker 1: pierce the fourth wall and go straight to a connection
Speaker 1: with the audience. And he says that, like he realized
Speaker 1: even the most hacky of stand ups are doing the
Speaker 1: thing in a much more direct way than everyone's trying
Speaker 1: to do in plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting. I always thought there's such a
Speaker 2: kind of great relationship between stand up and film and
Speaker 2: theater and all this, because they're just different toolkits for
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. You've got a group of people
Speaker 2: and you're trying to entertain them, so the objective is
Speaker 2: the same, but like the tools that you've got to
Speaker 2: do it in your box are different, and stand ups
Speaker 2: quite a you know, direct, because it's it's just you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder with stand up sometimes I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is true, but I think I've definitely done it.
Speaker 1: I've done a couple of shows, like Edinburgh stand up shows,
Speaker 1: where like in my second show, I did a kind
Speaker 1: of thing where the very end of the show, which
Speaker 1: felt like a very happy ending, was this bit at
Speaker 1: the very end, but if you've been following the sort
Speaker 1: of chronology of what I was telling you, it was
Speaker 1: actually a really sad ending. But what I had told
Speaker 1: you was the middle right. So people kind of left
Speaker 1: happy like, oh that was nice, and then if they
Speaker 1: thought about it, they were like, oh, hang on a minute.
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone ever figured that out, because
Speaker 1: I think people watch stand up in a different way.
Speaker 1: They don't watch it like they would watch a player
Speaker 1: of film stand ups like present Present, Present Present, and.
Speaker 2: It's a confidence trick. It's just look at the card,
Speaker 2: Look at the card, Look at the card, Look at
Speaker 2: the card. Yeah, all the time. So you can try
Speaker 2: to pull that off without people necessarily spotting what you're
Speaker 2: putting in, whereas sometimes in theater, like you erect a
Speaker 2: neon sign over it to go. This is the point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very interesting. Oh and then the other thing
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, given that you started
Speaker 1: and you were making variety shows, do you only do
Speaker 1: straight stand up now?
Speaker 2: I do only do this straight stand up, and I've
Speaker 2: only done straight stand up since twenty twelve, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I starting sketch things in like twenty ten, and yeah
Speaker 2: I haven't gone back. I still like during that time
Speaker 2: there was an amazing sketch and alternative scene in London
Speaker 2: that had like a bit of crossover because of Edinburgh.
Speaker 2: You have that that whole scene that was quite at
Speaker 2: that time sketch and character heavy. There's no real money
Speaker 2: in sketching character stuff, so there's this kind of great
Speaker 2: scene we had like mcneiland, Pamphlon and Pappy's and all
Speaker 2: these people. But like I met Ashlyn at a mcnealand
Speaker 2: Pamphlon gig, which was like there were a couple of
Speaker 2: stand ups on it and then sketch. There were lots
Speaker 2: of gigs like that that was just kind of everything.
Speaker 2: Where was that like the Orbany Yeah, No, that was
Speaker 2: Wilmington Arms, The Deer Departed Wilmington Arms. But there was
Speaker 2: a lot of kind of crossover at that time, and
Speaker 2: now it seems to be a bit more. Everything's kind
Speaker 2: of stand up focused and there isn't that kind of
Speaker 2: sketch scene, which is a shame. And I do think
Speaker 2: gigs in the main, like my experience of gigs like that,
Speaker 2: with the audiences really go for it because if they're
Speaker 2: not liking something, you're going to get something completely different,
Speaker 2: like coming on afterwards. And it gives people quite a
Speaker 2: lot of freedom to do what they want, Whereas when
Speaker 2: you get into that thing where it's four stand ups
Speaker 2: and an mc there's kind of one expectation from the thing,
Speaker 2: and that can be great, which it all can be
Speaker 2: quite restricting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's not a lot of variety units and
Speaker 1: sketched live. I think a lot of sketches happening on it.
Speaker 1: It's all moved to TikTok and stuff. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: fun live, isn't it. It's fine when it's good.
Speaker 2: Well, when it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you've done your stand up hour? You've done
Speaker 1: every year or every other year?
Speaker 2: No, every year. I missed one for COVID obviously, but
Speaker 2: I did go and do the Fringe when they brought
Speaker 2: things back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: The so what number solo show is this? Ten eleven
Speaker 1: to sight? I think it might be ten ten? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And do you have a system given your work rate?
Speaker 1: Do you is it different every year or do you
Speaker 1: have like a discipline where it's like September I start
Speaker 1: writing themes, like do you have a way of doing it?
Speaker 2: No? So the last one, which is coming out in
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks as a special sorry, that
Speaker 2: was the one before last, So that were that took
Speaker 2: three years because of COVID. So the first preview of
Speaker 2: that was February twenty twenty, right, and then we filmed
Speaker 2: it end of June twenty twenty three. So by the
Speaker 2: time I was done with that, I was like, but
Speaker 2: because of that kind of space, the next one I
Speaker 2: wrote and previewed it in three weeks, so.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was great.
Speaker 2: It was it was quite a specific thing because I
Speaker 2: did so the last year I did was about Edinburgh,
Speaker 2: and it was specifically like answering the quest like why
Speaker 2: would an audience be in those basements and why are
Speaker 2: we doing because there was all this kind of narrative
Speaker 2: around post COVID, like it's really expensive and people are
Speaker 2: being boxed out of it, and it is you know,
Speaker 2: you can go on a holiday to the Caribbean for
Speaker 2: less money than four days being a puncher at the
Speaker 2: end of Fringe, so it's like a question worth answering.
Speaker 2: So it became this sort of meta thing all about
Speaker 2: like why are we in this room which to do
Speaker 2: something that's quite specific like that about a thing where
Speaker 2: you and the audience are coming to the table with
Speaker 2: a huge amount of shared understanding. So there's not a
Speaker 2: lot for you as a comic to have to construct
Speaker 2: within there because you've all just been outside in the
Speaker 2: cobble streets, you've all just been flyed. You are in
Speaker 2: this thing, you're going to be up till five o'clock,
Speaker 2: you're going to go to lateon Liveler, so everyone knows
Speaker 2: the stuff. So landing punchlines is never the trick with comedy.
Speaker 2: The comedy is the trick is the setup, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's taking one hundred to a thousand people and unifying
Speaker 2: them in forty five seconds so they have all the
Speaker 2: information that they require to get that punchline. But I
Speaker 2: did need to do any of that last year because
Speaker 2: we all knew everything that I was talking about, so
Speaker 2: you could do it. It could be quite a rapid
Speaker 2: process to put that together, so it.
Speaker 1: Was like a school review.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, are you doing so ho, Like, no,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't working about it till this show is called
Speaker 1: bad for business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was. My agent was very annoyed. But
Speaker 2: it was quite I mean I've been recommending it to people,
Speaker 2: people saying it's like it was an insane thing to do,
Speaker 2: which it was, and it was dictated by circumstance rather
Speaker 2: than a plan. But I have been saying to people like,
Speaker 2: it's quite a good exercise. I probably don't do it
Speaker 2: for something as big as Edinburgh, but like a smaller
Speaker 2: festival or something. Give yourself two to three weeks, blank
Speaker 2: piece of paper and run run for the first preview.
Speaker 2: Because it throws up loads of stuff. Because you can't
Speaker 2: question yourself, and you end up writing and surprising yourself
Speaker 2: and writing in styles and ways you wouldn't necessarily do,
Speaker 2: and it's a really interesting exercise to do it.
Speaker 1: Then that's how I do screen. That's my secret is right,
Speaker 1: really really fast, first.
Speaker 2: Time dive in, I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Yet it's so quickly done so that your subconscious takes
Speaker 1: over and you bring out a load of stuff that
Speaker 1: you weren't planning that may be useful.
Speaker 2: And you switch off that thing in your brain, don't
Speaker 2: you that you going back and kind of redrafting on
Speaker 2: the fly is like you don't know, just just get
Speaker 2: in and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get to the end of the end and then
Speaker 1: you're clean up. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's that forward momentum that you have that throws
Speaker 2: up stuff and I think being able to trust yourself
Speaker 2: that you've got other drafts, Like you just finished writing
Speaker 2: a series and someone was asking how many drafts did
Speaker 2: a do of each script? It is like probably about
Speaker 2: I think the lowest number was six, nighest numbers nine.
Speaker 2: But the initial scripts were all written in two days,
Speaker 2: like first draft, to push them out in two days
Speaker 2: and then just go back and tink your like line
Speaker 2: by line, but just getting that thrust of the characters
Speaker 2: and everything down. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a good exercise.
Speaker 1: And what's this new show?
Speaker 2: It is a sitcom for People Radio four. We just
Speaker 2: recorded it a couple of weeks ago. It's coming out
Speaker 2: in the twenty third of July.
Speaker 1: For six weeks.
Speaker 2: And that's my first sitcom. Thanks man. I was first
Speaker 2: pitching it around the time we first met. I think
Speaker 2: from the first pitch to the commission was ten years
Speaker 2: in a week.
Speaker 1: That's pretty quick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's not bad, is it?
Speaker 1: That's not bad? And what's your new Edinburgh aw about?
Speaker 1: Garrett Miller? It needs space?
Speaker 2: This one is cooled needs more space. Yeah, so I'm
Speaker 2: very interested in the space race. I don't know if
Speaker 2: we start talking about films now. I saw Apollo thirteen
Speaker 2: when I was twelve, and I absolutely loved it. And
Speaker 2: that's one of those films that I can watch again
Speaker 2: and again and again. But I love the film, but
Speaker 2: it just I knew nothing about this whole world and
Speaker 2: the moon race and stuff. And I went home to
Speaker 2: talk to my dad about it, and it transpired that
Speaker 2: he had been a big space geek when he was
Speaker 2: my age, so when he was twelve when they were
Speaker 2: actually landing on the Moon and doing all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So like he took me up to the Science Museum
Speaker 2: thing and that's kind of been a lifelong passion. Actually
Speaker 2: have a Lego Satin five on my desk just right.
Speaker 2: So I was scrambing around this year because I was
Speaker 2: working on the series and I didn't quite know what
Speaker 2: the show was going to be about. And Piano Velli,
Speaker 2: our mutual friend, turned around to me. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: when are you going to do your fucking space show?
Speaker 2: And I was like okay. So I was like, yeah, fine,
Speaker 2: because in twenty nineteen we were up there and that
Speaker 2: was the anniversary of the moon landings. And I think
Speaker 2: when the twenty fifth anniversary had been around, I had
Speaker 2: an airfix lunar module, and then I could I couldn't
Speaker 2: afford the command module. So during Edinburgh and for the
Speaker 2: fifty anniversary, I bought the command module I couldn't afford
Speaker 2: for the twenty fifth anniversary, and I used to go
Speaker 2: back after my show and I was like, I was
Speaker 2: making Apollo eleven model if very therapeutic. If anyone's going
Speaker 2: to do a long festival. Airfix models are really good
Speaker 2: and yeah, and it takes you when people are asking you,
Speaker 2: you know, all those cyclical questions about festivals, like how's
Speaker 2: it going? Just talk about your airfix model. Yeah, it's great,
Speaker 2: it's finished painting the engine bell and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I fuck, Garrett, I've just I've just checked my notes.
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you something. Oh fuck ah ship
Speaker 1: Uh I don't know. We have to go back to
Speaker 1: be an inn but uh fuck I forgot Well, I
Speaker 1: forgot tell you. But I just say it as just
Speaker 1: say you've died. Oh that's that's a blow. I had
Speaker 1: things to do this evening, right, any idea how it happened? No,
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, do you know?
Speaker 2: I could guess I'd say that there's yeah, there's some
Speaker 2: there's some truculent wiring in the kitchen at the moment
Speaker 2: I've been meaning to sort out. And if you are lazy,
Speaker 2: then these things will will get you.
Speaker 1: So you think you plugged something in and it electricated
Speaker 1: you to death.
Speaker 2: I think it probably did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shame. Do you do you worry about death? I
Speaker 1: don't worry about death.
Speaker 2: I quit. I've been ever since lockdown. I've been trading
Speaker 2: off vices, so I don't have any I don't have.
Speaker 2: I don't drink anymore, and I don't smoke. I quit
Speaker 2: smoking when my door was born, and I used to
Speaker 2: drink a lot and he'd be fairly unhealthy in terms
Speaker 2: of what I ate. And then in this mini person arrived,
Speaker 2: it's like I've I've got still that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also I'd never really consider myself as being particularly
Speaker 2: old until she was born, and then I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm thirty eight. That's not young, that's very firmly in
Speaker 2: middle age. I actually made some jokes about being middle
Speaker 2: aged on stage about eighteen months ago in a show,
Speaker 2: and it was the most controversial thing that I have
Speaker 2: ever said, because people would come up to me after
Speaker 2: the show and be like, I'm forty one and I'm
Speaker 2: not middle age, and like, no you are. You are
Speaker 2: slapbod of the bell curve. It really upset. We well
Speaker 2: agreed to disagree, but yeah, I've actually not thought about
Speaker 2: death as much as I possibly should have done in
Speaker 2: terms of approaching my lifestyle in my twenties and my thirties.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've definitely got points on my license.
Speaker 1: What do you What do you think happens when you die?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. I go through periods of
Speaker 2: being very spiritual and they're not very spiritual at all.
Speaker 2: But actually I'm touching on this in the new show
Speaker 2: because all of our atoms remain in the universe, so
Speaker 2: there is a there's there's a point of immortality there.
Speaker 2: But in terms of what form your conscience takes, I
Speaker 2: don't know. You kind of live through your children, don't you.
Speaker 1: You. Oh, so you think when you die you possess
Speaker 1: your child.
Speaker 2: No, I think that your your children and the people
Speaker 2: you knew and everything that's kind of what you leave behind.
Speaker 1: No, it sounds like what you're saying is you will
Speaker 1: you possess your child and you will stay within there
Speaker 1: unless we perform an exorcism.
Speaker 2: Well it's entirely possible, but I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: let's put it down as a maybe. Well, it seems
Speaker 2: pretty firm to me. Pretty I actually haven't got any
Speaker 2: horror movies on my list.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll be making a documentary about your daughter. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got news for you. Actually, aside from the possessed,
Speaker 1: there's also heaven and you get to go to it
Speaker 1: because you've been a good boy, grand and it's filled
Speaker 1: with your favorite things. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: I'm something really smalty, hanging out with my daughter. So
Speaker 2: if when.
Speaker 1: She's well, listen, she's going to be in heaven. There's
Speaker 1: multiple versions of her, but there's also the versions that
Speaker 1: have been possessed by you, so you don't know which
Speaker 1: one is your daughter and which ones you.
Speaker 2: In terms of activity, I love sitting down and watching films.
Speaker 1: So if there's also that, well, listen, your daughter is
Speaker 1: very happen seeing in heaven and all the versions of very,
Speaker 1: including the ones it's possessed by you. And they won't
Speaker 1: know about your life, but they won't know about your
Speaker 1: life through film. And the first thing that they ask
Speaker 1: is what what is the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2: Garrett Millery, it's not a good one, Brett, But my
Speaker 2: first cinema memory is going being taken to see Star
Speaker 2: Trek five.
Speaker 1: Star Trek five, the one with the punk on the bus.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's one of the good ones. That's Star
Speaker 2: Trek four.
Speaker 1: That's the one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the whale one.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Five is the one that Shatner directed, because he basically
Speaker 2: had a contract that said he had to be given
Speaker 2: whatever Lendard Nimoy got, and Lendar Nimoy had done quite
Speaker 2: a good job directing the other two, so it was
Speaker 2: like Shatner's turn and it's a mess?
Speaker 1: Is that the one? Is it called the Final Friend?
Speaker 1: Is that the one where they sort of going to
Speaker 1: see God or something? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one where they're going to see God? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and what does God say? I can't remember. I have
Speaker 2: got like two flashes. I saw it in Lockdown. I
Speaker 2: watched all of the Star Trek films. I don't think
Speaker 2: I made it all the way through five because it
Speaker 2: is it is a turgid mess.
Speaker 1: It's the Final Frontier because it's death. I mean, I
Speaker 1: like the idea of it. I don't remember.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a vulcan in it. Who I think
Speaker 2: we're going to get in trouble now because Star Trek
Speaker 2: people are like, they're really on it on the internet,
Speaker 2: and this is going out on the internet, so they'll
Speaker 2: be like emailing you and me being like, you got
Speaker 2: it wrong. It's this but it's like a cousin of
Speaker 2: Spark or something who thinks he's God.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So they don't actually meet God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that was that was the film I'm
Speaker 2: remember sing the Cinema, the first film I remember my
Speaker 2: mum's friend Anna used to work at the local video shop,
Speaker 2: which was the most exciting thing, and she bought me
Speaker 2: and I still have it the very first video everyone
Speaker 2: is that is a good one, Ghostbusters. I still have
Speaker 2: the vhs that I remember Anna bringing it round the
Speaker 2: house and being like this thing and I would I
Speaker 2: would be really young watching that, and it's still one
Speaker 2: of my favorite films. But you know, you go through
Speaker 2: kind of phases where you rewatch films and you realize
Speaker 2: how much of it you didn't get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you an only child? No?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. No, I've got one sisters two years
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: Did you watch these things together?
Speaker 2: Not really? No. We don't have any shared interests and
Speaker 2: never really have.
Speaker 1: So do you like each other?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we like each other perverctly well, but we
Speaker 2: just we're just radically different people, Like we look different.
Speaker 2: We've got if you put us in a room with
Speaker 2: our parents, you can be like, oh yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: but we're sort of combinations of different things of both
Speaker 2: of our parents. But you wouldn't put us in a
Speaker 2: room either to look at or to speak to and
Speaker 2: be like, those people are related.
Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah, what's the film that made you cry? The Monster?
Speaker 1: You a crier?
Speaker 2: I'm not a crier.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this because I have listened to
Speaker 2: your podcast before, So what the thing? I definitely more
Speaker 2: so since I've been a parent. There are a couple
Speaker 2: of films that I noticed a kind of mark difference
Speaker 2: in my reaction to them, and I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is. Well, the reason for that is but yeah,
Speaker 2: I have you ever seen Bobby, the film about Bobby Kennedy.
Speaker 1: In the Yeah, like the sort of.
Speaker 2: Thing in the Ambassada. I really, that's right. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: going and William H. Macy and Christian Slater. It's a
Speaker 2: really really good film, so following all these people, and
Speaker 2: obviously Bobby Kennedy is not a character in it, but
Speaker 2: they play his like at the end of the film.
Speaker 2: I cried at that because it's just really well done.
Speaker 2: When they haven't being assassinated and as they're taking him
Speaker 2: on the gurney out into the ambulance, they play the
Speaker 2: speech that he made a few months before when Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King was assassinated and it's a speech about violence
Speaker 2: and murder and what murder does and how it kind
Speaker 2: of impacts people and what happens when you take a
Speaker 2: man's life, and just like that speech kind of laid
Speaker 2: over the reality of this this real guy who have
Speaker 2: quite a lot of admiration for and that really got
Speaker 2: me really.
Speaker 1: Powerful directed that he did. Yeah, yeah, that's a good film.
Speaker 2: He's a good film, and it's one of those things
Speaker 2: where they it's quite hard. I've got it on DVD,
Speaker 2: but it's quite hard to find it on streaming services, which
Speaker 2: I've actually I don't know if I'm going to upset
Speaker 2: any of your sponsors are indeed you as you have
Speaker 2: a very successful program on a streaming service, but I've
Speaker 2: recently canceled all of my streaming services because yeah, well
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of DVDs and Blu rays and
Speaker 2: things because they're very busy, and I realized a lot
Speaker 2: of my life now is spent on menus going I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. And there's something about the
Speaker 2: relationship you have with a film when you when you
Speaker 2: go and actually purchase it and you kind of make
Speaker 2: the choice, you know, right, I'm going to make that
Speaker 2: so like example, like a couple of weeks ago, I
Speaker 2: bought Black Hat Michael Mann's the Chris Hemsworth film, which
Speaker 2: is not the greatest film in the world, but I'm
Speaker 2: a big Michael Man fan, and I wanted to rewatch it.
Speaker 2: And there's like a there's a director's cut on there
Speaker 2: that's only available in the new Blu ray. So I
Speaker 2: was in town and I bought that, and I didn't
Speaker 2: have the time to watch it, but I kind of
Speaker 2: knew when I have time to watch a film, I've
Speaker 2: already made that decision, so I can kind of take
Speaker 2: it's a player like, watch it and there would be
Speaker 2: no menu nonsense beforehand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a thing. It was in the Empire celebration
Speaker 1: of something and they asked a load of people to
Speaker 1: talk about the importance of cinema, and Daniel Craig said
Speaker 1: this really beautiful thing about sometimes fucking I'm slightly misquoting it,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but he said, for the magic of film
Speaker 1: to happen, sometimes you need the ritual to set up
Speaker 1: the magic. Are you going to the cinema buying the
Speaker 1: sitting down, the curtains open, there's the trailers, there's the
Speaker 1: thing there's all this build up and then you're in
Speaker 1: the magic. And I think that's true of the like
Speaker 1: it is this thing of just click, click, click, you're in.
Speaker 1: That's why it's very hard to kind of get lust
Speaker 1: in these films, because you go, i'll give it five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're on your phone when you're doing it.
Speaker 2: I love this. I love the cinema. And actually, my
Speaker 2: daughter there's an every man do this thing called the
Speaker 2: Toddler Club where you can take a toddle wrong and
Speaker 2: they play like classics at ten o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: like Toy Story or classic Disney things. You take the
Speaker 2: kids along. And she won't at home sit down and
Speaker 2: watch a film. She doesn't have the attention span for it.
Speaker 2: But she loves going to the cinema with me, so
Speaker 2: we go along and she likes the whole thing about it,
Speaker 2: Like she she'll get chocolate buttons and have an apple juice,
Speaker 2: and she likes sitting in the chair and she's like
Speaker 2: she got excited about like the second time we went,
Speaker 2: she got excited about the trailers and the adverts, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I had a girl is great, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm really I was reading a load of articles
Speaker 2: recently about the death of cinema, and I watched a
Speaker 2: couple of YouTube videos about people talking about the decline
Speaker 2: of movie theaters in the States. And I haven't been
Speaker 2: to the cinema for a couple of months because I
Speaker 2: was working quite a lot, and normally, if I'm on
Speaker 2: the road, I go to cinema all the time because
Speaker 2: it's a great way of killing an afternoon in Bradford
Speaker 2: or whatever. And I went to see the new Mad
Speaker 2: Max film on a Saturday night. So I just delivered
Speaker 2: some work and I was like, right, OK, I'm got
Speaker 2: the cinema mad Maxson, I'll go down there. And it
Speaker 2: was the first weekend it was out. I have a
Speaker 2: five hundred seater on a Saturday night, and it's a
Speaker 2: legit good movie with good stars, and there were three
Speaker 2: people in the cinema, and it scared the shit out
Speaker 2: of me because I was like, if this goes under,
Speaker 2: like if there aren't cinemas anymore, Like that's been such
Speaker 2: a huge part of my life and it's such a
Speaker 2: thing that I really really love that. You know, when
Speaker 2: there was a break in COVID and the cinemas were
Speaker 2: just showing old films. It was the first thing I
Speaker 2: did was even though I had been watching Telly like
Speaker 2: everyone else, I was like, no, I need to go
Speaker 2: to the cinema. And that idea of not having that
Speaker 2: collective experience to go and watch films with other people,
Speaker 2: as you say, in that ritualistic way, I think it
Speaker 2: would be absolutely tragedy if that went away.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, it would be dreadful. I have no escape,
Speaker 1: hing nothing. What is the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 1: Do you like being scared?
Speaker 2: I do quite like being scared. I really liked The
Speaker 2: Quiet Place, so I actually I got horror films when
Speaker 2: I was a teenager. I got really into eighties horror sequels,
Speaker 2: but that was more for the comedy of them. I
Speaker 2: think there's there's something really great about Psycho three that's
Speaker 2: just better than Psycho. But this is actually one of
Speaker 2: the films I was talking about the like since becoming
Speaker 2: a parent, I rewatched The wicker Man recently, and I'd
Speaker 2: seen that many times as a teenager, but it never
Speaker 2: scared me. And it scared me like I had this
Speaker 2: sense of dread at the end that I'd never had before,
Speaker 2: when they're like marking him up and dragging him off
Speaker 2: to put him in the wicker Man, and they're all
Speaker 2: just so like singing are in their focus and purpose.
Speaker 2: I'd always approach that, and I guess quite a detached,
Speaker 2: matter of fact way, like they're going to burn him now,
Speaker 2: And I just I had a real connection with it.
Speaker 2: I had not seen it for about fifteen years, and
Speaker 2: I had a real connection with it, and it really
Speaker 2: shited me up. I was afterwards to be like, h
Speaker 2: So that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was quite scary. That's a good one. I
Speaker 1: fucking love a quiet place as well, a brilliant idea.
Speaker 2: It was great. It had everything in it. It had
Speaker 2: the jump scares and then also you know, eerie, dread
Speaker 2: and really good character start. I just thought that was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What is the film that people don't like? Critics
Speaker 1: definitely don't like, but you like it very very much
Speaker 1: no matter what anyone says to you about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Well the film that most people when I
Speaker 2: tell them I'm a huge fan of it, people go, really,
Speaker 2: it's beavers and butt heead do America is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite films. Good film, It's a cracker. But I
Speaker 2: think there's a whole generation of people who don't know
Speaker 2: how good Beabs and butt Head is and because it's
Speaker 2: kind of entry point, it is, you know, the two
Speaker 2: guys in the laughing and whatnot that they didn't see,
Speaker 2: like Mike Judge is the greatest social commentator, that he's
Speaker 2: so fantastic. And I remember going to see that in
Speaker 2: the cinema and I don't think I've ever laughed so much,
Speaker 2: like i'd like proper like couldn't breathe laughing, like right
Speaker 2: from the right from the get go, and I just
Speaker 2: I love, I love that film so much. And they
Speaker 2: brought they brought people and buttead back recently.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was that I didn't see that one.
Speaker 2: Incredible, absolutely incredible. So they did a movie which is
Speaker 2: all on his on Paramount Plus. So they did a
Speaker 2: movie basically to explain why Beabs and butt Head aren't
Speaker 2: in the nineties anymore and they're in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: And it's great. And again, like I've not laughed. There
Speaker 2: are pieces of that movie Beabs and but had walk
Speaker 2: on to a college campus in the middle and have
Speaker 2: white privilege explained to them, and it's one of the
Speaker 2: funniest things I've ever seen. And then he did a series.
Speaker 2: I think he did two series. And obviously in the
Speaker 2: nineties they used to commentate on music videos, but now
Speaker 2: they commentate on tiktoks and Instagram reels and it's so good.
Speaker 2: But I know, I just I'm such a huge fan
Speaker 2: of Mike Judge. I love all of his stuff, Like
Speaker 2: Office Space is an incredible movie. King of the Hill
Speaker 2: is my favorite sitcom of all time.
Speaker 1: Just is it?
Speaker 2: And nobody writes ensembles quite like Mike Judge, Like all
Speaker 2: his stuff is really good ensemble, like King of the
Speaker 2: Hill is an absolute masterpiece, and Silicon Valley was a
Speaker 2: brilliant ensemble. Office Space is really good. I really like extracts.
Speaker 2: I just really like the way he writes, and Beavers
Speaker 2: and butt Head is the original. I saw a podcast
Speaker 2: interview when we were saying for years he wanted to
Speaker 2: do more because it was his favorite thing. But it
Speaker 2: was the first thing that he did, but he didn't
Speaker 2: control the rights to it because he had to sign
Speaker 2: them away in his twenties and whatnot. And they kept
Speaker 2: coming back to him saying make more, and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: I can't, because you know, I'm a stage in my
Speaker 2: career now. I'm not working under those terms and events.
Speaker 2: They were like, okay, you can have all the rights back.
Speaker 2: So now it comes up and it's Mike Judges Beavers
Speaker 2: and butt Head, not MTV's Bevers and butt Head, and
Speaker 2: so he was like, cool and make a movie and
Speaker 2: two series and so it's just like that little barrier
Speaker 2: was gone so he could get back to it and
Speaker 2: just go, yeah, this is fantastic. It's really really great.
Speaker 1: What do you think, as someone who does a lot
Speaker 1: of comedy and understands how it works, how is it
Speaker 1: that he and I haven't seen it, has avoided the
Speaker 1: pitfalls of a classic show coming back and not being shit.
Speaker 1: What's he done with Mudern, Beabs and butt Head that
Speaker 1: makes it? As?
Speaker 2: I think he's looked at all of the things. I
Speaker 2: mean that example of the music videos now being tiktoks
Speaker 2: and MTV programs. He's actually looked at kind of what
Speaker 2: kids like Beavers and butt Head look at in America now,
Speaker 2: and he's not he's taking what was good about it
Speaker 2: in the nineties was that commentary aspect, and they're dynamic
Speaker 2: and everything, and he's not trying to make a nineties show.
Speaker 2: He's just taken those characters even the film, like they
Speaker 2: literally have they go through all wormhole from the nineties
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two or whatever it is, and they're like, bang,
Speaker 2: they're here now, and then they're just reacting to what's
Speaker 2: around us now, so in a way, and they were
Speaker 2: doing that in the nineties about nineties America and now
Speaker 2: they're doing it in twenty twenty four about today, and
Speaker 2: it's yeah, he's not trying to It doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: a nostalgia thing.
Speaker 1: Great, Great, what is the film that you used to love?
Speaker 1: You loved it, but then you've watched it recently and
Speaker 1: you've got out, No, I don't like this anymore. Perhaps
Speaker 1: you've changed, or perhaps the film has Okay, this is
Speaker 1: it's quite.
Speaker 2: This is a lot to be doing this on a podcast,
Speaker 2: And I realized I could get canceled for it, because
Speaker 2: I am this is actually not one of the films
Speaker 2: written on my list. But it's a specific question you've asked,
Speaker 2: So we're going to get into this bread. At Christmas,
Speaker 2: I was talking to my nephew who's nine, and he
Speaker 2: was saying that all of the kids in his class
Speaker 2: have seen Star Wars and he hasn't seen Star Wars.
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm going to show you Star
Speaker 2: Wars because it's not something my sister would have access
Speaker 2: to or be interested in showing him. So I was like,
Speaker 2: don't worry, uncle, Garrett's gonna shay Star Wars. So we
Speaker 2: sat down to watch Star Wars and he so wasn't
Speaker 2: into it and got bored about an hour into it
Speaker 2: and walked out. And I text a friend of mine
Speaker 2: and was like, I'm watching it now with this disinterested
Speaker 2: kid and like, tell me this mate, is it bollocks though?
Speaker 2: And he got so upset and he was like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about it? I was like, well, no,
Speaker 2: you know it is. It's pretty ropie. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a nineteen seventies kids film, and there's like like Alec
Speaker 2: Guinness is clearly quite bored. Mark Hamill can't really act like.
Speaker 2: There's stuff about the Droids and the Aliens, which you
Speaker 2: could say is a little like on the nose homophobic,
Speaker 2: and I was just looking at going, I know, this
Speaker 2: has been ubictuous part of everyone's life and culture for
Speaker 2: so long, but actually stepping back from it with the
Speaker 2: raw disinterest of a nine year old being presented it
Speaker 2: for the first time, like, is it actually shit?
Speaker 1: What I do know is there's definitely a boring bit
Speaker 1: where they're walking in the desert phrases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of it. That's particularly the Yeah, the
Speaker 2: first one. You sort of go, is this just something
Speaker 2: that because I'm not a big fan of the new
Speaker 2: Star Wars, like I watched them up to a point,
Speaker 2: but I find it very difficult to muster any enthusiasm
Speaker 2: because it's just too much now, Like there's just too much.
Speaker 2: And Star Wars used to be like quite a special thing,
Speaker 2: Like I remember being shown it as a kid by
Speaker 2: an older cousin at Christmas and there were three of
Speaker 2: them and that was enough, and then whatever, twenty years
Speaker 2: later you got another three, quite spaced out, and now
Speaker 2: it's a new series every single week and it's not
Speaker 2: special anymore.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was just.
Speaker 2: I looked at the first one again and I thought,
Speaker 2: maybe I've been wrong about this, maybe this is rubbish.
Speaker 2: But the reaction I got on WhatsApp from friends when
Speaker 2: I positive this theory was extreme, Like my mate was
Speaker 2: just like this isn't He was like, are you doing
Speaker 2: a bit? I was like, no, I'm not, and he
Speaker 2: was like this isn't funny. It's like, it's like, it's Christmas,
Speaker 2: I'm with my family.
Speaker 1: What are you doing really funny? That's really funny? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well i'd like to see that. What's happened? Furiated man,
Speaker 1: absolutely furious.
Speaker 2: I did it a couple of years ago at the
Speaker 2: Alternative Comedy Memorial Society at Christmas, just after Episode seven
Speaker 2: came out, and I showed it to their Christmas show.
Speaker 2: And this was I think four or five days after
Speaker 2: episode seven come out, and someone said, what are you
Speaker 2: going to do? So, just for the listeners, ACMs is
Speaker 2: the Alternative Comedy Memorial Society and you do kind of
Speaker 2: a left field set, usually something you kind of make
Speaker 2: up that's not like stand up whatever. So I was
Speaker 2: trying to come up with an idea of what to do,
Speaker 2: and I thought I've got it because there was a
Speaker 2: brass band on stage because it was Christmas. So I
Speaker 2: got them up. And ACMs has permitted heckles that the
Speaker 2: audience are allowed to say. There are certain heckles that
Speaker 2: are allowed to so I said during my set, there
Speaker 2: are only two permitted heckles, and I told them that
Speaker 2: what I was going to do to the sound of
Speaker 2: a brass band playing the Star Wars theme. I was
Speaker 2: going to ruin in the plot of episode seven, and
Speaker 2: the two permitted heckles were don't ruin Star Wars and
Speaker 2: naw fuck them, and the place went nuts. People were screaming,
Speaker 2: walking out, like don't run stars not staying there.
Speaker 1: So what happens?
Speaker 2: I got about three minutes through it, and I was
Speaker 2: going to cause a riot, and then I was a
Speaker 2: meeting the next day. I can't remember. It was a
Speaker 2: hat trick or something, and this guy came into the
Speaker 2: conference room was like, I was at acums last night.
Speaker 2: That wasn't cool.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're an agent of chaos. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was quite a silly thing. But
Speaker 2: and I thought, well, it's been a week. Most people
Speaker 2: who want to see it would have seen it. But
Speaker 2: people can't.
Speaker 1: No, what is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but the
Speaker 1: experience you had around seeing it will always make it
Speaker 1: special to you.
Speaker 2: Garrett Melyric Stone cold classic. There's nothing particularly left field
Speaker 2: about this choice. The Godfather. I watched The Godfather again
Speaker 2: with a friend of mine who had last weekend. He
Speaker 2: just got out of hospital because he was recovering from
Speaker 2: appendicitis and his wife was away, so I went around
Speaker 2: to look after him and he just got The Godfather
Speaker 2: in four K. So we're like, and I've not seen
Speaker 2: it for ages, and it's just so amazing. But I
Speaker 2: saw that film for the first time. I would have
Speaker 2: been about eleven, and I was sick off school. I
Speaker 2: had a cold, and so did my dad and he
Speaker 2: was off work and he had taped it off the
Speaker 2: telly a couple of nights before, so we sat down
Speaker 2: for an afternoon and we watched it. And I can
Speaker 2: still remember where the ad breaks were in it, this
Speaker 2: ICV like four x three fuzzy thing, The Godfather, and
Speaker 2: it was when the film finished, I felt like nourished
Speaker 2: in a like it was really meaty and satisfying. And
Speaker 2: I had not seen a film like that before, and
Speaker 2: I had not sort of experienced that, because I was
Speaker 2: still quite young, that you just sit down for sort
Speaker 2: of three hours and just be completely sucked into something.
Speaker 2: And I always, yeah, I always remember that experience, and
Speaker 2: now I really like films like that, like films that
Speaker 2: will kind of grab you and you can chew on
Speaker 2: them a bit.
Speaker 1: It's very nice, Garrett, that's very nice. What's the film
Speaker 1: it most relate to.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I like Twenty four Hour Party People,
Speaker 2: which again I watched recently. Is that you I don't
Speaker 2: know a bit of I think I'd like it to
Speaker 2: be me. I'd like to be more like Tony Wilson
Speaker 2: than I am. But I really like music and I
Speaker 2: like going to gigs, and I don't think that the
Speaker 2: excitement of live music has ever been captured quite as
Speaker 2: well as Michael Winterbotten captured it in that film. And
Speaker 2: it's really it's really like, it's a great story and
Speaker 2: it's really funny, and it's not a film that enough
Speaker 2: people have seen.
Speaker 1: That's a really good chat. You know what. I would
Speaker 1: say it, and I stand by it. I think A
Speaker 1: Star is Born Bradley goovis Star is Born does live
Speaker 1: concert really well impressively. Well, I think have you seen it?
Speaker 2: I have not seen it.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do live music and make it
Speaker 1: feel electric like it does when you're there. I really
Speaker 1: think he pulls it off in A Star is Born.
Speaker 1: It's really impressive. Have a look at that. Tell me
Speaker 1: what you think.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll have a look at that I just realized
Speaker 2: the thing that wind SPOTSM does and you get like
Speaker 2: lots of kind of different formats in the gig, So
Speaker 2: you've got kind of black and white like scrumming around
Speaker 2: in the crowd and then very kind of frenetic on stage,
Speaker 2: and it does that kind of energy of people like
Speaker 2: throwing pints and stuff, and you kind of feel like
Speaker 2: you're there in those little punk clubs. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he did it really well because, as you point out,
Speaker 2: in most films when they like go clubbing or go
Speaker 2: to fair live music, it's terrible. It's it's really really
Speaker 2: bad when they do it in things like Neighbors and
Speaker 2: there's like four extras in a nightclub. This is awful,
Speaker 2: And you go, most Hollywood films with a budget don't
Speaker 2: do any better than this and.
Speaker 1: Communicating it's true. It's so hard to pull off the
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to pull off the sound of it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's very hard to do it,
Speaker 1: and you do need a lot of extras. What is
Speaker 1: objectively the greatest film of all time, maybe not your favorite,
Speaker 1: but the best one. Oh sorry, that's very easy.
Speaker 2: I've done a routine about this top Gun because Top
Speaker 2: Gun knows exactly what it is, and it executes it perfectly.
Speaker 2: It sets it still out at the beginning and says
Speaker 2: this is what I am, and then all the way
Speaker 2: through just nails it on every single beat. It's like,
Speaker 2: this is what you told you we were going to get,
Speaker 2: This is what we set out to make, this is
Speaker 2: what we're delivering. There's no point where Tony Scott deviates
Speaker 2: at any point from that. It's perfect. There's a really
Speaker 2: good story about Val Kilmer having an argument with him
Speaker 2: on an aircraft carrier about doing that final like you
Speaker 2: can be my wingman any time, like bullshit, you can
Speaker 2: be mine, and having this huge conversation with him that
Speaker 2: character and guy, I don't think my character would say this,
Speaker 2: and whatnot, and Tony's gott just looking him dead in
Speaker 2: the eye and saying values seem to be utterly confused
Speaker 2: about the type of film we're making here. Oh wow, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: do what I.
Speaker 1: Trust me is gonna be? Yeah? Yeah, What do you
Speaker 1: make of topbout Marrick? I think that's even more.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I thought it was absolutely like that
Speaker 2: that sort of made up when you're talking about how
Speaker 2: do you bring things back and get that nostalgia thing
Speaker 2: without Yeah, they've done so many examples of that being
Speaker 2: done badly. And Tom Cruisers came out and went, yep,
Speaker 2: this is how you do it.
Speaker 1: And it was.
Speaker 2: It was so good and it was all of the
Speaker 2: aerial combat scenes. And I saw it once in the
Speaker 2: cinema and my friend he was with me, said it
Speaker 2: was really enjoyable watching it with me because when they
Speaker 2: started the original music at the beginning and then Don
Speaker 2: Simpson's credit came up, I just punched the air and
Speaker 2: it's Yeah, it delivered it. That really really delivered. I
Speaker 2: thought it was fantastic. And then I went back to
Speaker 2: see it like three days later on the Imax.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, it's great at the IX.
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible. Yeah, Tom Cruise knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He really does. He really does seem to know what
Speaker 1: he's doing. But I guess the next question is, and
Speaker 1: the one really we're all here for, what's the sexiest
Speaker 1: film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2: Well, it would be twenty four hour party people, wouldn't
Speaker 2: it to all those gigs?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've not really watched it, not really watched that many
Speaker 2: blue movies.
Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe. And that's not
Speaker 1: an indication of what I think of you, just as
Speaker 1: it's just as a human on this planet, I find
Speaker 1: out hard to believe.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen The Secretary with James Spader and
Speaker 2: Maddie Gillel Hall. Yes, yeah, Yeah, that was a great
Speaker 2: film that came out when I was when I was
Speaker 2: at university and everyone was very very keen on that.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of sex in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very sexy film. Yeah, Garrett, if you
Speaker 1: struggled with that question, you're going to fucking hate the
Speaker 1: Selb category. Traveling boner is worrying. Why don't a film
Speaker 1: about arousing that you weren't sure you should sounds like
Speaker 1: any film.
Speaker 2: Apollo thirteen, I've got a that's a good answer. It's
Speaker 2: all about the rockets, mate, Yeah, definitely. And come and
Speaker 2: see my new show about the Space.
Speaker 1: Race and the Space Race and my traveling bonut. Yeah, okay, okay, great.
Speaker 1: What is the film you could or have watched the
Speaker 1: most over and over again.
Speaker 2: I've got into the last couple of years watching The Martian.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's one of those things I travel
Speaker 2: a lot, and it's a film that's just I downloaded
Speaker 2: it on my iPad whenever it came out, and it's
Speaker 2: just there, and it's one of film I just don't
Speaker 2: delete it. And if I'm in a in a shit
Speaker 2: hotel somewhere and I just want to watch something, I
Speaker 2: will just go back to The Martian. And it has
Speaker 2: never bored me. So I think I've probably seen that
Speaker 2: about twenty times. I really like space Travel, and I
Speaker 2: really like Matt Damon, and it's beautifully maybe it shot
Speaker 2: quite cool little story. There's nothing particularly taxing about it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it's this is not is not to do
Speaker 2: the movie down. But I can enjoy it without having
Speaker 2: to pay a huge amount of attention to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a very easy watch. It's easy entertainment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is about it's quite satisfic. It's all problem
Speaker 1: solving in it. It's just problem solving on Mars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. Two hours of problems solving on Mars. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of years ago down at the Greenwich
Speaker 2: Observatory there was a photo exhibition of photos from space
Speaker 2: exploration and they had a one of the pictures from
Speaker 2: the Mars Lander, like a panorama, but they've blown it
Speaker 2: up to a life sized panorama and there was just
Speaker 2: a bench that you could just sit on and look
Speaker 2: at this high definition panorama of Mars and I sat
Speaker 2: in it for fucking hours. It's just like, this is great.
Speaker 1: Have you been to that Tom Hank's Moon thing.
Speaker 2: I have been to the Tom Hanks Moon thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, was it amazing?
Speaker 2: It was okay, but there was a lot of kind
Speaker 2: of documentary stuff in there that was really sort of
Speaker 2: light source. And then you got to the end where
Speaker 2: they showed you the panoramic pictures, but there wasn't enough
Speaker 2: of that, but I understand why. But it was like
Speaker 2: forty minutes of a story I already knew, with some
Speaker 2: stuff I'd already seen in the format, already seen it
Speaker 2: in and then a couple of couple of minutes at
Speaker 2: the end with some really mind blowing stuff, and as advertised,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I wanted a whole Well, there
Speaker 2: are better films about the moon landings, Like there's al
Speaker 2: Reinhartz film for All Mankind and if you've ever seen that,
Speaker 2: that's a phenomenal film came out in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 2: I think it was definitely nominator. I can't remember it
Speaker 2: won the Oscar, but he went and interviewed all of
Speaker 2: the astronauts who did the trip to the Moon, and
Speaker 2: because of budget constraints and people weren't interested at the time, particularly,
Speaker 2: he couldn't raise the money to film them while interviewing them,
Speaker 2: so they just audio interviews. And then he went back
Speaker 2: to and scanned all of the footage that they brought
Speaker 2: back from the NASA vaults, and he made like a
Speaker 2: collage of all of the missions, so it's not like
Speaker 2: one mission at a time, it's a collage of all
Speaker 2: of them together at the various stages of the mission,
Speaker 2: and it's Brian Eno wrote a soundtrack for it, and
Speaker 2: then he cuts up all the interviews as an audio
Speaker 2: thing over the top. You've just got the asterists narrating
Speaker 2: about different experiences and it doesn't tell you who's speaking
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's just so it's kind of all of
Speaker 2: them together with all of the footage presented as one film,
Speaker 2: and it's utterly mesmerizing. It's really something else, and if
Speaker 2: you wanted to do like that would be a really
Speaker 2: good film to go and watch. But because they had
Speaker 2: the full surround thing in that in the Tom Hanks one,
Speaker 2: I was expecting them to utilize it a bit more,
Speaker 2: where they utilized it a bit at the end, but
Speaker 2: the rest of it was kind of a quiet secondary
Speaker 2: school documentary about going to the Moon, and there were
Speaker 2: way better documentaries about going to the moon.
Speaker 1: Wow. So objectively, the best film you've ever seen? What?
Speaker 1: What's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2: So when I first moved to London when I left university,
Speaker 2: I moved in with my friend Oscar, who big film enthusiastic.
Speaker 2: Oscar and him and his friend Ed were on a
Speaker 2: mission but this is back in two thousand and four,
Speaker 2: to get hold of the hundred worst films on the
Speaker 2: one hundred films on IMDb, which was quite a challenge.
Speaker 2: And Ed used to come round to our flat with
Speaker 2: DVDs of the latest one he had found and we
Speaker 2: would watch them. And the worst film I've ever seen
Speaker 2: is a Turkish remake of Star Wars. So's you can
Speaker 2: find us online is search of Turkish Star Wars. It
Speaker 2: is absolutely insane. I got a bit motion sick because
Speaker 2: the editing is so bad. So you'll like have a
Speaker 2: fight scene where a guy swings a punch, so it's
Speaker 2: like swing the punch and then it'll cut to the
Speaker 2: close up and then the punch will swing again in
Speaker 2: the close up. So it does that a lot and
Speaker 2: it makes you feel ill after a while. But the
Speaker 2: whole thing is it's just got pirated special effects footage
Speaker 2: from Star Wars. So you'll have these two guys sat
Speaker 2: on a chair holding like an Atari controller, wearing spray
Speaker 2: painted American football helmets, and they'll go that was a
Speaker 2: very good battle. Yes we prevailed aha, And then behind them,
Speaker 2: projected on the wall will be like a Star Destroyer
Speaker 2: and then it'll just cut to an X Wing and
Speaker 2: it was just predicted. And then for no reason during
Speaker 2: the during the fight scenes, just random bits of the
Speaker 2: soundtrack from Indiana Jones plays right, and it's quite fantastically awful.
Speaker 2: But there are I mean, there's such a wealth. I mean,
Speaker 2: presume you've been to the can Film Festival, right, I have,
Speaker 2: many many years ago. Yes, Yeah, when you go into
Speaker 2: that market thing down in the bottom, Yeah, where everyone's
Speaker 2: selling their wares and you realize just how many films
Speaker 2: are made that you will never see.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. Yeah, there's there's like I remember seeing a
Speaker 1: poster for like Centipede eight and the other seven really
Speaker 1: pass me by. That's fascinating. It's that big a franchise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there will be so many bad films in the world,
Speaker 2: but Turkey Star Wars has got has got to be
Speaker 2: up there. But I remember back then it was quite
Speaker 2: difficult for them to get hold of these movies that
Speaker 2: weren't rips from that program Mystery Science Theater where the
Speaker 2: three guys watching, like you could get the bad movies
Speaker 2: with them comsaying over but actually like a raw thing
Speaker 2: in the movie was quite difficult to track down. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you had this hateful case logic of DVDs of the
Speaker 2: worst films of all time used to bring soul Plane
Speaker 2: I think was another one that was particularly awful. But
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like, let's watch the worst films
Speaker 2: ever made. Yeah, that'll be fun. And you get to
Speaker 2: a couple of them and you're like, ah, is Ed
Speaker 2: coming around again? I want to feel.
Speaker 1: You have to be friends with Ed? Yeah? That friendships waning,
Speaker 1: isn't it. You may not say about I say you're
Speaker 1: in comedy, you're very funny. What's the film that made
Speaker 1: you laugh the most? Have you ever heard a film
Speaker 1: called Series seven? The Contenders? Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a reality TV spoof and it came out.
Speaker 2: It's got the lead actress in it is the same
Speaker 2: woman from who is the victim in Silence of the Lambs.
Speaker 2: The woman who's in the in the the Rubbed Slosh
Speaker 2: Night Skin's her and she's great in it. I actually
Speaker 2: haven't seen it since I saw it the first time,
Speaker 2: but it came out in the same day as Pearl
Speaker 2: Harbor back in two thousand and one, and I went
Speaker 2: with some mates to watch Pearl Harbor, which is obviously
Speaker 2: a dreadful film, and I had read an article about
Speaker 2: Series seven in Empire, I think, and I convinced everyone
Speaker 2: after Pearl Harbor that we should go and see another film,
Speaker 2: and we went to see that, and like right from
Speaker 2: the get go, it's a reality TV spoof where basically
Speaker 2: a reality TV show where there's seven people in America
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one who will have a gun
Speaker 2: and they have to kill the other six to win
Speaker 2: the series and then the prizes they get into like
Speaker 2: the next series. So it starts off with just a
Speaker 2: guide buying groceries in a grocery shop and a pregnant
Speaker 2: woman just walks in and shoots him. In the head
Speaker 2: and like nobody because everyone's like, oh, it's The Contenders,
Speaker 2: And then it comes in this massive it's a it's
Speaker 2: a satire on reality TV, but the whole thing comes
Speaker 2: in and goes next up on series seven, The Contenderers,
Speaker 2: and it's all like that all the way through, And
Speaker 2: from about two minutes in. I was howling all the
Speaker 2: way through that film. I just thought it was so funny.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, I haven't you know, as a
Speaker 2: forty year old man gone back and reappraised it. That
Speaker 2: might have been the fact that I was a nihilistic
Speaker 2: seventeen year old and it really appealed.
Speaker 1: To me, or I might have you just got through
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor. Yeah, I got through Pearl.
Speaker 2: Harbor and was dragging all the people who dragged me
Speaker 2: to see Pearl Harbor to see this thing and that
Speaker 2: a field. But yeah, god, it made me laugh. It
Speaker 2: was It was very, very funny. I don't remember laughing
Speaker 2: that much in anything in the cinema since.
Speaker 1: Was a surprising answer that's never come up before.
Speaker 2: Well, I've gone with really sort of boring, like what's
Speaker 2: an important film? The Godfather?
Speaker 1: I excite your listeners. Yeah, oh, Garrett Millrick, you've been
Speaker 1: a brilliant guest. I'm very grateful for you for doing
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 2: However, however, when.
Speaker 1: You went to plug something in, you wanted to recharge
Speaker 1: your phone, and you've got some bad wirring in that kitchen.
Speaker 1: Then you know you, yeah, you know you have. But
Speaker 1: you've been lazy, haven't you. You've been distracted and you
Speaker 1: should have looked at it. Anyway, you plugged, you plug
Speaker 1: it in, you get electrocuted by three billion vaults because
Speaker 1: under the because you also had damp, and under it
Speaker 1: there was an electric heel and as you plugged it in,
Speaker 1: the electric heel bumped up the electricity and you were
Speaker 1: hit by three billion vaults and your brain exploded, and
Speaker 1: your hair stood up on end, and your skin was charred,
Speaker 1: and you fell to the floor, and your spirit jumped
Speaker 1: out of your body and went and found your daughter
Speaker 1: and then possessed her. Now she's on her way to
Speaker 1: Edinburgh to do Garrett needs needs more space. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: walking around with a coff and you know what I'm like,
Speaker 1: And I knock on the door like I Garret, you
Speaker 1: in mate, no san, and i I'll go fuck. I
Speaker 1: didn't what about that wiring And I can smell smoke anyway,
Speaker 1: smashed out the door I get in there. You're a messmate.
Speaker 1: You're fucking like charcoal. I'm like, I can use him
Speaker 1: for a barbecue, iven bury him, so crack you up
Speaker 1: into lots of pieces. The stuff you in the coffin.
Speaker 1: There's more of you than I thought. There's no room
Speaker 1: in this coffin with order charcot. There's only enough room
Speaker 1: in the charcoal for me to slip one DVD into
Speaker 1: the side for you to take across to the other side.
Speaker 1: And on the other side it's movie night every night.
Speaker 1: What film are you taking to the people of heaven,
Speaker 1: who are mostly made up of versions of your daughter,
Speaker 1: including you possessed by your daughter, to show them when
Speaker 1: it is your movie night.
Speaker 2: It would have to be Casablanca, because I have owned
Speaker 2: probably three copies of Casablanca over the course of the
Speaker 2: last twenty years, on varying formats, and have yet to
Speaker 2: watch it. I've heard, I've heard, I just never. You know,
Speaker 2: you just haven't got to the point to get around
Speaker 2: to it in heaven. So now it's become a thing
Speaker 2: that I'll leave it till I die.
Speaker 1: That's a great idea. They'll love it. That's great, They'll
Speaker 1: fucking love it. That's a great idea, Garrett. What are
Speaker 1: people to look out for and to listen to you
Speaker 1: in the coming months?
Speaker 2: So you can find me on Instagram and x formerly
Speaker 2: Twitter at Milleric Comedy. I've got a radio sitcom about
Speaker 2: the charity industry with fantastic casts called do Gooders that's
Speaker 2: coming out the end of July for six weeks and
Speaker 2: I think it will be on BBC, Sounds and all
Speaker 2: of those platforms. I've got a new special coming out
Speaker 2: from the Great People at eight hundred pound Gorilla Records
Speaker 2: in July August, and then Yeah, Needs More Space will
Speaker 2: be at the end of Refringe all of August and
Speaker 2: then on a national tour afterwards and then the Leicester
Speaker 2: Square Theater in London next February, and then I'll be
Speaker 2: writing something else.
Speaker 1: Will you have pictures in your Needs More Space show?
Speaker 1: Or is it just you?
Speaker 2: It's just me and Mike. Oh, it'll just have to
Speaker 2: be a bit described. Yeah, describing you know, budget, you know,
Speaker 2: budget constraint. So no, I'm not I don't like projectors
Speaker 2: and things in stand up shows. I think you have
Speaker 2: to kind of go like Dave Gorman esque. It has
Speaker 2: to be really kind of built into the DNA of it.
Speaker 2: And that's not that's not kind of what I do.
Speaker 2: So it's just me and and words. But you know,
Speaker 2: there are great there's so many great Instagram accounts you
Speaker 2: can follow for beautiful space pictures. And I recommend that
Speaker 2: you do good for the.
Speaker 1: Song sounds like you should see your show and then
Speaker 1: go and look up a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh, there'll be I might. Maybe that's why I should do.
Speaker 2: I should put a QR code on the way out
Speaker 2: for like you can go and like go and get
Speaker 2: a drink and just get this on your phone and
Speaker 2: stick it in your face after the show's that's all right.
Speaker 1: It's a good idea. Garrett, you are a joy. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for doing this. Good luck in Edinburgh. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Man.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the podcast and yeah, an
Speaker 2: incredible illustrious list of guests to uh to be a
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much for having me on.
Speaker 2: It's been a real treat.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Have a very nice death. Good night.
Speaker 1: So that was episode three hundred and seven. Head over
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Speaker 1: style rating. But right about the film that means the
Speaker 1: most to you and why my name? He loves reading it.
Speaker 1: It makes her cry and it's a lovely thing. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. Thank you everyone for listening. Thank you
Speaker 1: to Garrett for giving me his time. Thanks to Scruby's
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Speaker 1: next week for another excellent guest. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: I hope you're all well, have a lovely week, and
Speaker 1: please now more than ever, be excellent to each other.
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