Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love saying John Carney's
Speaker 1: name in the newsroom. If you get that one, you're
Speaker 1: one of us. I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling
Speaker 1: podcast studio alongside my friend Patrick clayban joined by Nick
Speaker 1: Shook in Cleveland and never fails Patrick. When they say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a bad slate this weekend, not a great like
Speaker 1: ten am slate, then you get crazy ending crazy.
Speaker 2: Is an understatement, it's bananas.
Speaker 3: We're talking about what game I want, and it's like, oh, Greg,
Speaker 3: I'll take this Dallas game because I'm gonna laugh at
Speaker 3: the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: But it was not me who was laughing, nor Commanders.
Speaker 1: No, that was very smart to take that Cowboys game.
Speaker 1: And Shookie, it's really the theme of the whole week.
Speaker 1: You actually went to the game in the snow in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: That set the tone. People thinking that's two and eight
Speaker 1: verse eight and two. That wasn't gonna be good. But
Speaker 1: you were there having the time of your life and
Speaker 1: list like living in the snow for your Browns. Was
Speaker 1: that better than a playoff almost better than a playoff win?
Speaker 1: Who needs playoff wins? When you can have a night
Speaker 1: like that in the snow.
Speaker 4: Sorry, no, but it was probably it was probably a
Speaker 4: top three football experience, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: That's what I was kind of getting it at that,
Speaker 1: Like each Sunday or Thursday night, you never know, like
Speaker 1: exactly what that game is gonna give you. And it's
Speaker 1: been a tough season for Browns fans and certainly Cowboys fans. Uh,
Speaker 1: but today you got a great experience. I'm sure there
Speaker 1: were some Cowboys fans in the crowd. We're gonna start
Speaker 1: with that game, and yes, a two play sequence that
Speaker 1: Commanders fans will be remembering in January.
Speaker 5: If they do not make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Here's the staff.
Speaker 2: Dallas just breaks free. He's able to step up, Love
Speaker 2: flood over.
Speaker 6: The tabu Plarner's open forty five to fifty forty five,
Speaker 6: forty turns on the Cats.
Speaker 5: He's god toun yard toun job. What good it did?
Speaker 5: Another miracle? I didn't know that you believe that? Shy
Speaker 5: to tell those do?
Speaker 7: Whoah?
Speaker 6: Unbelievable eighty six yard touchdown pass to Terry mccloride.
Speaker 2: Oh whah. I don't know what he's announcing it. I
Speaker 2: don't care. There's twenty one seconds left.
Speaker 7: We got an extra point. The game is not tied
Speaker 7: off that Cyber has to make this. He missed it
Speaker 7: extra point.
Speaker 2: Moments before disaster, foreshadowing.
Speaker 8: Its stap low trust, Why gets it down?
Speaker 2: Step stop a bad step? They got the hold down.
Speaker 5: It's Cyber missed it.
Speaker 1: Left fram Weinstein, Man k Wbig London, Fletcher, the ups,
Speaker 1: the downs. Listening to the excitement, Yes, when Terry McLaurin
Speaker 1: catches an eighty six yard touchdown pass on a one
Speaker 1: play drive with under thirty seconds to go in the game,
Speaker 1: I was like, listen to a horror movie where you
Speaker 1: know the monster or the killers right around the corner.
Speaker 1: And yes, it was that bad snap and bad kick
Speaker 1: by Austin Cyber. We missed a few kicks on this day,
Speaker 1: so maybe it wasn't just a bad snap. Given me
Speaker 1: memories of John Carney. Do you know what game I'm
Speaker 1: referring to here? Back in who knows the early two
Speaker 1: thousands when the Saints had the river sit really whatever,
Speaker 1: it was the crazy game against the Panthers where they
Speaker 1: got the touchdown at the end of the game, one
Speaker 1: of the best finishes in NFL history.
Speaker 5: But then John Carney missed the extra point.
Speaker 3: That's what it reminded me of early similar and perhaps
Speaker 3: I think Defree Henderson kind of fades into existence. Terry
Speaker 3: McLaurin will be remembered a lot better that in this
Speaker 3: play where this moment is going to stand for a
Speaker 3: very very long time as the new The kicker missed
Speaker 3: the extra point after incredible touchdown that would have tied
Speaker 3: the game, where this was a game in the first
Speaker 3: half where the Commanders could really do nothing, and it's
Speaker 3: shades of late season Cliff that we'll have to discuss
Speaker 3: in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2: And try to figure things out.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to mind resources to get theories on
Speaker 3: what's wrong with the Commander's offense in every offense that
Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury calls late in seasons, but they were disjointed early.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys get Doron Bland back and he's over there
Speaker 3: on that the field. Actually, Terry McLaurin scores that touchdown
Speaker 3: on the right side, something that he's done a couple
Speaker 3: times this season in very limited opportunities going from the right.
Speaker 2: But there's a Bobby Wagner stripsack.
Speaker 3: This starts with a Kwan Martin block kicked as well,
Speaker 3: and we're celebrating Commander's special teams, like, oh, they could
Speaker 3: do no wrong before the game absolutely falls apart, including
Speaker 3: that they score a touchdown with zach Ertz. Then Jayden
Speaker 3: Daniels runs in the two point and it's twenty to
Speaker 3: seventeen and you're thinking, all things great, but they have
Speaker 3: to kick to the best kick return in the NFL
Speaker 3: and hilarity ensuits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to back it up, before that Cavante Turpin kickoff
Speaker 1: return that you're referring to, it's ten to nine in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, which is funny. It's that touchdown that
Speaker 1: that schoonmaker scores to go up twenty to nine. It
Speaker 1: is only with five minutes left in the game at
Speaker 1: that point, like nothing's happening after that. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: arts and the two point conversion. That's with three minutes
Speaker 1: left in the game. The response there is the Turpin
Speaker 1: ninety nine yard kickoff return, which to me was one
Speaker 1: of the best plays of the entire season because that
Speaker 1: spin move that he put on the Commanders after initially
Speaker 1: fumbling the ball and it got by him was just
Speaker 1: unreal athleticism, just in electric play. And I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: the highlight. That's one of the best plays of the
Speaker 1: NFL season. But we were just getting started at this point.
Speaker 1: Cybert hits a fifty one yard field goal on a
Speaker 1: one minute drive to respond, they stop the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: I didn't mind the Cowboys strategy there after. They didn't
Speaker 1: get the on side kick because they were gonna pin
Speaker 1: Washington deep. They got it down to about twenty one
Speaker 1: seconds left and Washington has to go the entire length
Speaker 1: of the field. I don't mind them being conservative there.
Speaker 1: That's when they hit the McLaurin. And then yes, just
Speaker 1: for a little fun on top, we actually got a
Speaker 1: second kickoff return touchdown in the final three minutes by
Speaker 1: a man named Juan Ye Thomas Hilly.
Speaker 8: Here we go on side kick recovering you win, Soyburn
Speaker 8: booms it till the left and is covered them.
Speaker 6: Thomas running it back one ya Thomas to the cowbo
Speaker 6: second kickoff for a touchdown in the game.
Speaker 5: This game is fuck. That was our friend Brad Sam.
Speaker 1: Have not heard enough from Brad Scham this season from
Speaker 1: k RLD. And yeah, like I know, the game was
Speaker 1: probably over at that point, but Nick, when you have
Speaker 1: a play that's stupid to end one of the craziest
Speaker 1: finishing sequence in NFL history. Really the last three minutes
Speaker 1: of this game. You just got to play it on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: It was just a drunk Sunday for all football teams,
Speaker 4: but especially this game. Also, kick return touchdowns are not
Speaker 4: all created equally, as you can see right there as
Speaker 4: he returns an on sidekick for a touchdown, and the
Speaker 4: whole time he's going to the end zone, I'm shouting
Speaker 4: at the screen.
Speaker 7: Get down, don't score, don't score. He scored anyway, it didn't.
Speaker 5: Matter, right.
Speaker 1: It's believed to be the first time two kickoff returns
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter in NFL history. I think the
Speaker 1: first games in thirty something years to even have two
Speaker 1: kickoff returns at the same game.
Speaker 5: Like, it's nuts.
Speaker 2: The camera pan's over after one yay.
Speaker 3: Thomas is celebrating in the end zone to Mike McCarthy
Speaker 3: and he's cut his arms out, like why.
Speaker 2: Did you score that touchdown? Because Jane Daniels comes in.
Speaker 3: He already has one Hail Mary that's true on his
Speaker 3: ledger in twenty twenty four and he actually it comes
Speaker 3: close to the game. A ball gets picked off late.
Speaker 3: But you know, anything you can do a game have fun.
Speaker 1: I think it was worth it just for the sham
Speaker 1: gods call and Mike McCarthy, if you want to be critical,
Speaker 1: like what, you've really coached up your player to slide
Speaker 1: at the one in that situation. I doubt it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's never had the ball in his life. You want
Speaker 1: to criticize McCarthy, go for too there to try to
Speaker 1: finish the game. That was actually the move and he didn't.
Speaker 1: He chickened out. But that's fine. This was the first game,
Speaker 1: also in NFL history, to have two I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a weird collection of plays, but two missed extra points,
Speaker 1: two kickoff returned touchdowns, and a block punt that is
Speaker 1: no surprise. I do have a takeaway just on the
Speaker 1: Washington side that, like I kind of was penciling in
Speaker 1: a second wild card out of this division.
Speaker 5: And now they're seven and five. They're on a skid.
Speaker 1: The offense, as Patrick mentioned, was in Kingsbury shutdown mode
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season for most of
Speaker 1: this game. Now you start to think, like, hmm, could
Speaker 1: two NFC West teams get in? Could a second place
Speaker 1: team in the end NFC westkat Could the Bucks get
Speaker 1: in as a wildcard?
Speaker 5: If the Falcons actually win some games.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna have a lot of repercussions, Nick,
Speaker 1: because I just was penciling this one in in some
Speaker 1: of these Washington games in as a win, and they
Speaker 1: might not be mature enough right now to beat the
Speaker 1: bad teams on their schedule.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was concerned about when they had
Speaker 4: this great start to you know, early in the season,
Speaker 4: was Wow, they're way over achieving right now. In Cliff
Speaker 4: Kingsbury's offense is rolling. But we know what happens to
Speaker 4: a Cliff Kingsbury offense once it basically Daylight Savings arrives
Speaker 4: and we get to fall backward. His offense falls backward
Speaker 4: as well, and they blow entire like.
Speaker 7: The Cardinals out.
Speaker 4: I mean, Granny put twenty six points on the board,
Speaker 4: but like you said, it was ten to nine in
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: Any concerns about Daniels Patrick, Sorry, Nick, No, I don't.
Speaker 3: Have them based necessarily on this game. I mean, we
Speaker 3: have a whole lot of late season Cliff Kingsbury, and
Speaker 3: again discussion is whether or not it's in game adjustments,
Speaker 3: whether or not it's adjustments over the course of the season.
Speaker 3: With the similarities being so particular and teams having time
Speaker 3: to figure out exactly how this set of players is
Speaker 3: operating under Cliff. But I mean, we saw more running
Speaker 3: from Jade Daniels in this game, including a lot of
Speaker 3: third down scrambles, But it was just there were so
Speaker 3: many opportunities where guys were running into coverage. It seems
Speaker 3: like Dallas was exceedingly prepared for the particular play structure,
Speaker 3: and Jayden's always having to throw guys into traffic. Nobody's
Speaker 3: getting wide open where earlier in the season that was not.
Speaker 5: The kick that is a concern.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I know people are concerned about Daniels as
Speaker 1: he's playing through the rib injury.
Speaker 5: I think that's hard.
Speaker 1: Let's just leave that alone because when he's making these
Speaker 1: great plays, and he had a couple of great games
Speaker 1: actually after that initially like injury, initially, maybe it is
Speaker 1: affecting him, but it's great that he ran for seventy
Speaker 1: four yards. That throw to McLaurin was awesome, So he's
Speaker 1: doing a lot of good things. Let's listen quickly to
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy before we go on to
Speaker 1: the next game.
Speaker 9: I told the team after the game was that this
Speaker 9: is the most challenge we've been in our time together
Speaker 9: and I remind him's not enough to learn the lessons.
Speaker 10: But we have to apply them.
Speaker 3: And that was just like game since situational Extravaganza.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just sweet.
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, it's like Yati. You know everything
Speaker 10: was in there.
Speaker 1: If you get Macarthy saying extravaganza and Yatzi in a
Speaker 1: ten second sound clip, I got. I want to put
Speaker 1: it in the show. Great job, they're behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: So I've got a theme at the top of the
Speaker 1: top of this show, and the theme is we're here.
Speaker 1: In Week twelve, we had some teams that we we
Speaker 1: think for most of this season are pretty solid playoff teams,
Speaker 1: but as we're kind of hitting Thanksgiving, there's some real
Speaker 1: concern about how they are going to make it to
Speaker 1: the finish line. So the Commanders are number one, I'm
Speaker 1: putting in that category. The Houston Texans are number two.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Houston.
Speaker 11: From the Stroud in trouble. He stepped out of the
Speaker 11: Insoe Jack Safety game over Landry with his six second
Speaker 11: of the year. It's two for Tennessee. He guess who's
Speaker 11: come to h Town. I'm gonna get a win.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Mike Keith on w g FX, Yeah, CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud doing his Orlovsky kind of. I feel for CJ.
Speaker 5: Stroud. I feel for Orlowsky that.
Speaker 1: Every time someone runs out the back of the end
Speaker 1: zone for the rest of time, his name gets mentioned.
Speaker 1: On a day where yske Stroud yet didn't seem like
Speaker 1: he was playing in a comfortable way, he gives Titans
Speaker 1: fans something to cheer about. We haven't heard enough from
Speaker 1: from Mike Keith on this season. And the Titans go
Speaker 1: into Houston and win thirty two to twenty seven on
Speaker 1: a pretty wild game shook where there was a lot
Speaker 1: of long touchdowns. There's actually a lot of good defense
Speaker 1: by the Titans and they get out of there with
Speaker 1: the victory.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a game that was filled with big chunk plays
Speaker 4: or as Mike Keith says, big yards, and they were
Speaker 4: negative yards at the end of that game as well.
Speaker 7: With CJ.
Speaker 4: Stroud step out of the back of the Anthony was
Speaker 4: pressured there of course, but oh my god, guy shot
Speaker 4: plays left and right. The Texans start the game with
Speaker 4: a long kick return. I think it was Daria Goombalwallee
Speaker 4: or maybe no, it wasn't it was Uhi. It was
Speaker 4: Damian Pierce. Yes, he took it almost all the way back.
Speaker 4: They get in position, next play, touchdown, past decade stover,
Speaker 4: it's seven nothing.
Speaker 5: Just like that.
Speaker 7: I'm chuckling at the screen because I was like, that's.
Speaker 5: Just too easy.
Speaker 4: This is going to be a roump for them. Nope,
Speaker 4: Will Levis and the Titans come right back. They take
Speaker 4: a seventeen to seven lead. He's hitting big shots to
Speaker 4: Nick Westbrook, A Kine and Calvin Ridley and they're going
Speaker 4: down the field and it's back and forth. But it
Speaker 4: was very much an up and down game for both teams.
Speaker 4: There were rises, there were falls. There were ugly turnovers
Speaker 4: by CJ. Stroud, who threw a pick early, who by
Speaker 4: Will Levis who had a narrow lead and threw a
Speaker 4: pick six, and suddenly the Texans were back in the lead.
Speaker 7: That was one of the games where I was like hammered.
Speaker 4: This weekend football is just just very drough because this
Speaker 4: game couldn't decide which way they wanted to go. Neither
Speaker 4: team seemed to want to win the game. Levis ends
Speaker 4: up having a good day save for the pick six,
Speaker 4: but he also gets sacked eight times. Four of them
Speaker 4: are probably his fault because he wasn't navigating the pocket well.
Speaker 4: The other four his offensive line wasn't protecting him well.
Speaker 4: Stroud doesn't get sacked till the end of the game
Speaker 4: and gets forced out on that safety there. Yet he
Speaker 4: struggles as well, ends up with two picks, including a
Speaker 4: bit of a miscommunication with John Metchi who settled down
Speaker 4: instead of continuing his route that set up an opportunity
Speaker 4: for the Titans to kick a field.
Speaker 7: Goal before halftime.
Speaker 4: It was a wild game between two rivals that are
Speaker 4: supposed to be headed in opposite directions, and, like we
Speaker 4: talked about on Monday night, Greg, a fresh batch of
Speaker 4: reasons to be concerned about the Texans trajectory as we
Speaker 4: head toward December.
Speaker 1: That's right, we were worried about this game on Monday
Speaker 1: night for them. I was worried about this game on Friday.
Speaker 1: If you listen to the Pick Show, this was my
Speaker 1: number one pick of the week. Was Titans covering this game,
Speaker 1: not necessarily winning, just because the Texans they just don't
Speaker 1: have it offensively right now. And I thought this matchup
Speaker 1: was tough because they wouldn't be able to run the
Speaker 1: ball against the Titans, and they didn't fourteen for twenty two.
Speaker 1: So if Joe Mixon isn't ripping those long plays, and
Speaker 1: he's been very good, but he's kind of a boom
Speaker 1: or bust running back this year because of his offensive line.
Speaker 1: So if you're not getting any of those booms, you're
Speaker 1: just relying on CJ. Stroud and he's just not playing
Speaker 1: with the confidence or the good decision making that he
Speaker 1: did earlier in his career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing they got from Joe Mixon was
Speaker 3: five receptions. He had a nice reception down the sideline
Speaker 3: where he was able to make some moves get some yards.
Speaker 3: After that, there was also, like there's several just key
Speaker 3: plays that didn't go the Texans way. I think that
Speaker 3: there was a third and nineteen in the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: where Tank Dell goes up, the Titans defender is able
Speaker 3: to just punch the ball out right before he comes down.
Speaker 2: High leverage miss. There.
Speaker 3: There was a miss by Kayami Fairburn where they're right there,
Speaker 3: well within his extensive field goal range.
Speaker 5: He has a miss that was to tie the game.
Speaker 1: A twenty seven yarder from a guy who today set
Speaker 1: the all time record a fifty plus field goal.
Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry to cut you off there. No, you're not.
Speaker 3: Cutting up because it's a great step and where just
Speaker 3: things that you expect to go right for the Houston Texans.
Speaker 3: And admittedly we've been talking about problems on this offensive
Speaker 3: line for the entire season that held through today. But
Speaker 3: it just takes a coalition of mistakes and errors to
Speaker 3: have eight sacks and Neil Hunter has three sacks.
Speaker 2: You scored twenty seven points and lose.
Speaker 1: One of the wildest stats in this game was that
Speaker 1: Will Levis became only the second quarterback in NFL history
Speaker 1: to take seven sacks and a half twice in a season.
Speaker 1: The other one was Randall Cunningham, so he has great company,
Speaker 1: but just like totally bizarre. My big takeaway though, is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Nico Collins shows up, has a fifty six yarder, but
Speaker 1: the touchdown that was taken away from him was endemic.
Speaker 1: I think points out what's happening with CJ. Stroud right now,
Speaker 1: which he's in his own head. There was a third
Speaker 1: down where he actually was protected pretty well and then
Speaker 1: just kind of ran forward and went down like he
Speaker 1: sacked himself. And that's a warning sign because that was
Speaker 1: the last thing I expect out of C. J. Stroud,
Speaker 1: kind of sacking yourself like that. And then he said
Speaker 1: after the game, and I'm gonna trust that he's being
Speaker 1: honest here that that touchdown that was taken back that
Speaker 1: for Nigo Collins, which would have really changed this game,
Speaker 1: was because of an illegal shift because he called for
Speaker 1: two shifts before the play and he had essentially like
Speaker 1: a brain fart there and he signaled to Joe Mixon
Speaker 1: and tanked all the shift and they both did but
Speaker 1: he was only supposed to call for one. And I
Speaker 1: are you concerned about about Stroud about this offense. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they can lose the division. They're seven
Speaker 1: and five and the Colts aren't great, but they're just
Speaker 1: not a good football team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing is that they're going to win
Speaker 4: this division because this division's not good. But they are
Speaker 4: also not a team that I take seriously in the
Speaker 4: playoffs because of these exact issues. That illegal shift, I mean,
Speaker 4: completely turned the momentum of this game. Then you had
Speaker 4: in the fair barn field goal miss. They still you know,
Speaker 4: at that point they're backed up against the wall and
Speaker 4: have to figure out a way to get down the
Speaker 4: field in this crazy back and forth against a team
Speaker 4: that you should not be in such a game with.
Speaker 4: I don't care that it's a divisional opponent and you're
Speaker 4: familiar with each other and everything else. You're supposed to
Speaker 4: be the superior team when compared against Tennessee. And they
Speaker 4: did not play like it, and they haven't played like
Speaker 4: it in so many games this year. I was encouraged
Speaker 4: by the big plays early hitting Nico Collins, hitting Tank
Speaker 4: Dell's like, oh, the offense is back, here we go.
Speaker 4: But it just didn't carry over. And that is what
Speaker 4: when I look at them and evaluate the entire AFC,
Speaker 4: and I think, all right, these are the heavy hitters.
Speaker 7: These are the teams that expect to make deep playoff runs.
Speaker 4: The Texans just aren't there right now, and I'm really
Speaker 4: not sure they're ever going to get there.
Speaker 1: Well, they're definitely not. I don't think I shouldn't say definitely.
Speaker 1: The NFL always makes us look stupid when we assume anything.
Speaker 1: But I also, on that note, Nick says, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: assume they're making the playoffs. I don't have much faith
Speaker 1: in the Colts, and the Texans are lucky. They don't
Speaker 1: have a Colts game coming up. They got that sweep early.
Speaker 1: But if you can lose to the Titans, you can
Speaker 1: lose any game. And they do have some tough games
Speaker 1: down the stretch, so like they could be an eight
Speaker 1: or nine win team, they could really fall apart.
Speaker 5: I don't want to believe that.
Speaker 1: But in a game where they had thirteen drives, they
Speaker 1: had twelve first downs and eleven penalties.
Speaker 5: That's bad, bro in that.
Speaker 2: And some of those penalties were wiping off some of
Speaker 2: the first downs. Right.
Speaker 3: They have the mistakes, the drops, the miskicks. I just
Speaker 3: think look watching Nico Collins out on the field with CJ. Straub,
Speaker 3: seeing the players Joe Mixon has made, Will Anderson and
Speaker 3: daneil Hunter. It's I think they get in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: I think they give somebody problems in the playoffs. They
Speaker 3: have their problems, yes, but they're at least experiencing them now.
Speaker 2: I'm not close.
Speaker 1: Okay, you gotta put you gotta get a win in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville next week, that's huge. Before thereby, then they come
Speaker 1: back with a really tough three pack of games Miami
Speaker 1: at Kansas City and Baltimore. Before moving on, though, I
Speaker 1: want to hear from Mike Keith Keith again, Like I said,
Speaker 1: you just can't get enough.
Speaker 5: Mike Keith Levis shouldn't have gun with Pollard on his right.
Speaker 5: Heel play fake let as firing down feel complete.
Speaker 11: A cock got forty fifty, A cock go forty thirty
Speaker 11: twenty as a fast man five, So touchdown Titans shut
Speaker 11: a cock wo His first touch goes for seventy and
Speaker 11: a big six.
Speaker 5: That's Dave Bagetti's there jumping in. You know what he
Speaker 5: did there? He was like Kurt kobain On smells like
Speaker 5: teen spirit.
Speaker 1: He knew that was a touchdown run by one athletic
Speaker 1: tight end chick a kN quo.
Speaker 5: He knew that was going to be a touch on,
Speaker 5: so he kept it real low and reallyet.
Speaker 1: So he just felt the impact of that touchdown tight ends.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Green Bay where the Packers are not
Speaker 1: the team that could be falling apart down the stretch,
Speaker 1: the team they played.
Speaker 5: Under center, Packers leading by fourteen. Love looks it over
Speaker 5: and here it is handoff Jacobs.
Speaker 6: Burrowing left side, Denzil touchdown, Hen sir, is your dagger.
Speaker 5: Thirty to ten?
Speaker 1: That is right, Wayne Larvi wr and w the dagger
Speaker 1: might have been even earlier, but Wayne has respect for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. He doesn't expect a beat down
Speaker 1: like this. The games that finishes thirty eight to ten.
Speaker 1: It's the biggest loss in the history of this rivalry,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. It's also the biggest loss in terms
Speaker 1: of the deficit that Kyle Shanahan's had. Shanahan has had
Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen different times. Now for the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 1: who did not have Rock Purdy in this game, they
Speaker 1: did not have Nick Fosa in this game, and so
Speaker 1: on one hand, you give him a pass.
Speaker 5: Nick. On the other hand, I do think the way they.
Speaker 1: Lost that it's not competitive also speaks to kind of
Speaker 1: where this team is at at five and six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, green Bay dominated this game basically from
Speaker 4: the first quarter onward. Yeah, I got down to a
Speaker 4: ten point game and then a fourteen point game, but
Speaker 4: it was never really all that close because the Niners
Speaker 4: only mounted one drive of significance all day, and it
Speaker 4: was the one that ended in the three yard touchdown pass.
Speaker 7: To George Kittle, which was a great catch.
Speaker 4: You know, brand Allen threw some nice passes, He had
Speaker 4: some excellent completions. He also had some misses, and it
Speaker 4: just felt like the punch out of these Niners had
Speaker 4: been taken from them. You know, they didn't struggle and
Speaker 4: pressuring Jordan Love that much. Love was getting out of
Speaker 4: the pocket a lot though, to extend plays as a
Speaker 4: result of that pressure. Even without Nick Bosa, they just
Speaker 4: they didn't stack up against the Packers on both sides
Speaker 4: of the ball. They also committed a ton of penalties
Speaker 4: in every phase of the game. Deebo Samuel had an
Speaker 4: eighty seven yard kick returning to open up the second half.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, there's the spark they need called back
Speaker 4: by a penalty. Like they were constantly behind the sticks.
Speaker 4: They asked Alan way too much, you know, to do
Speaker 4: way too much with his arm. He finished his seventeen
Speaker 4: to twenty nine for one to ninety nine a touchdown
Speaker 4: on a pick by who Xavier McKinney. Of course, who
Speaker 4: else would it be intercepting opposing quarterbacks than Xavier McKinney.
Speaker 4: The Packers just dominated. They were better in every phase
Speaker 4: of the game. And it is It's one of those
Speaker 4: games where you look at the Niners and you think, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know, because Christian McCaffrey not effective, still doesn't
Speaker 4: look all that explosive. He only had eleven carries when
Speaker 4: you finished with thirty one yards. This offense was very
Speaker 4: lopsided and they just never stood much of a chance.
Speaker 4: They gave away the ball three times. The Packers defense
Speaker 4: had a banner day. They were playing with their hair
Speaker 4: on fire, flying around the field. It just looked like
Speaker 4: a team that was contending for a Super Bowl versus
Speaker 4: a team that's like, yeah, we're middling, you know, at
Speaker 4: five hundred or worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Packers kind of I wouldn't say they needed
Speaker 1: a game like this, but I think it's going to
Speaker 1: feel good for them to get to eight and three
Speaker 1: and have a game where they did everything they needed
Speaker 1: to do. You can't even put it on the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers offense. Brandon Allen and the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: had run six plays and at that point the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers defense had already given up seventeen points. So
Speaker 1: Brandon Allen apparently had a broken finger according to the
Speaker 1: sideline on Fox, and had never been on the injury report.
Speaker 5: He's the starter of this game.
Speaker 1: Kyle Sanahan, as Cynthia frielin, likes to call him the
Speaker 1: Lion liar, who lies.
Speaker 5: I mean, they got to find him for that.
Speaker 1: He's a starting quarterback and they didn't never mention a
Speaker 1: broken finger. Brock Purdy meanwhile, not just miss this game.
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about where this is going because they said
Speaker 1: they reported he had a second MRI on a on
Speaker 1: his shoulder before missing this game, and a starting quarterback
Speaker 1: doesn't miss a game with a right shoulder injury unless
Speaker 1: it's serious. And you get to our MRIs hoping to
Speaker 1: maybe see something different before we just kind of wrap
Speaker 1: up the forty nine ers portion of this conversation just
Speaker 1: they just feel like a team that had didn't have
Speaker 1: it all already, and now maybe it's it's just like
Speaker 1: one injury too many. Obviously, if perty misses another game
Speaker 1: or two, like it's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just three wins without Trent Williams in the in
Speaker 3: the Trent Williams Era.
Speaker 5: For Trent Williams didn't play in this game, thank you.
Speaker 3: No, It's it's been a rough injury season in Santa Clara.
Speaker 3: And now like when I initially saw the reports because
Speaker 3: we talked to Tom Pelsera on Tuesday about you know,
Speaker 3: Rock Party leaving practice with the shoulder soreness, the forty
Speaker 3: nine ers, the statements again coming out of you know,
Speaker 3: Cynthia tells us about Kyle Shanahan, nothing to be concerned about.
Speaker 3: Then he goes in the MRM machine and nobody's getting
Speaker 3: in there for fun erhaps, let's much less do it twice, so.
Speaker 2: They're looking for something that is really really a problem.
Speaker 1: Bus's expensive, like you, I don't know if they have
Speaker 1: the same healthcare as us, but an MRI, I forget
Speaker 1: about it, Well.
Speaker 3: Better be better than ours, because otherwise brock perty is
Speaker 3: going to be getting a call from a collector here
Speaker 3: in three years. But aside aside from that, just just
Speaker 3: an ineffective game trouble protecting Alan. He had had a
Speaker 3: fumble forced by Lucas van Ness's helmet. Again, if he
Speaker 3: only has an on fingers to hold onto the ball,
Speaker 3: that's that's a real issue. You start to wonder with
Speaker 3: Dime's sitting at home and looking for a team, perhaps
Speaker 3: this is the spot.
Speaker 5: That's a good call.
Speaker 1: I thought Minnesota when Darnold looked like he sprained his ankle,
Speaker 1: but he came right back into the game, and you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right. It could be a spot for Danny dimes.
Speaker 1: Let's let's tell about the Packers are going to be
Speaker 1: playing on Thanksgiving. Definitely the best game on Thanksgiving is
Speaker 1: Packers Dolphins. Ohthough Caleb Williams playing so well, we'll get
Speaker 1: to him. Spices up that that Bears Lions game. Tell
Speaker 1: me about your your takeaways shook on the Packers, especially
Speaker 1: on offense in this game, where it took him at
Speaker 1: least the passing game a little while to get going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the passing game wasn't It was there, but it
Speaker 4: was a lot of misshots. Actually, there was a ball
Speaker 4: that Jordan Love put on Christian Watson that was perfect.
Speaker 4: I'm watching it travel through there and I'm like, I
Speaker 4: have enough to juice to get there, and as it's
Speaker 4: descending him like, oh, it's right on him, right there,
Speaker 4: and he drops it. There was like a few of
Speaker 4: those in this game where Love's total would have been
Speaker 4: fifty seventy five, one hundred yards more and maybe another touchdown.
Speaker 4: It didn't look as bad as the numbers looked, you know,
Speaker 4: when you're comparing the two. But really this is all
Speaker 4: about Josh Jacobs. Josh Jacobs paces this offense in this game.
Speaker 4: Twenty six carries one hundred and six yards, three rushing touchdown,
Speaker 4: and a career high fifteen forced misstackles. Okay, that's the
Speaker 4: most by any ball in a single game this season.
Speaker 4: According Next to Gen stats, that was a rate of
Speaker 4: fifty seven point seven percent, his highest of the season. Okay,
Speaker 4: he's having a great year. As we know with the Packers,
Speaker 4: that fits been tremendous and this was the peak for
Speaker 4: him so far, and they kind of needed it because
Speaker 4: Love wasn't piling up those numbers. But the crazy thing
Speaker 4: is is when you look at the stats after the game,
Speaker 4: I'm surprised that they didn't break four hundred yards of
Speaker 4: offense just because it was that one sided, and it
Speaker 4: was because they got short fields from their defense. They
Speaker 4: capitalized over and over and over again. They were a
Speaker 4: pretty efficient offense. They average a little bit under five
Speaker 4: yards per play, but they were just it looked very good.
Speaker 4: Tucker Craft got involved in a touchdown, catch you another
Speaker 4: catch to set up another touchdown. It was just an
Speaker 4: offense that could attack you from a number of different
Speaker 4: ways in a strong performance for the whole unit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the run game is going to be so important
Speaker 1: for them. It's what's made them special this year. I
Speaker 1: know the Malik Willis games juice it up a little bit,
Speaker 1: but they are They truly are one of the best
Speaker 1: running teams in the league. Jacobs is having one of
Speaker 1: those seasons. It's every other year for Jacobs and Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Wilson is the one actually that shows me. Man this
Speaker 1: team and the play calling, they're all really insanct because
Speaker 1: when Emmanuel Wilson comes in for those seven eight carries
Speaker 1: it a game, he's getting it done as well. So
Speaker 1: really looking forward to seeing them on Thanksgiving night. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it is getting late early for the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: who play Eric's Bills next week, and they're gonna need
Speaker 1: a healthy quarterback or they could be at five and
Speaker 1: seven and in big, big trouble because there.
Speaker 5: Are good teams in the NFC West. Let's go to
Speaker 5: Seattle prettage.
Speaker 9: On four to one at the forty Murray have the
Speaker 9: center this time, play fake.
Speaker 5: Murray's gonna try to get it. He's gonna run far side, he's.
Speaker 12: Gonna jump it over the top, gonna chump to Kobe
Speaker 12: Bryant far sideline.
Speaker 5: He's got the blockers.
Speaker 6: Thirty twenty five, twenty ten time touchdown Shit.
Speaker 5: Hawks, No fight. Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 1: Oh, Kobe Bryant, he hit him with the Marshawn Lynch
Speaker 1: hm D yeah, celebration. I good job by Patrick Clayband
Speaker 1: giving me the assist. Didn't know how to handle that moment,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't too big for Patrick. Steve Rabele ofr
Speaker 1: kiro Man that game, that play really changed the entire game.
Speaker 1: I thought Kyler Murray had a chance to get to
Speaker 1: the edge, but Devin Witherspoon did a fantastic job after
Speaker 1: diving on the inside, made Kyler Murray hesitate for just
Speaker 1: a second and by then it was too late.
Speaker 5: He didn't have the angle on the run.
Speaker 1: He forces a pass that just sales Kobe Bryant takes
Speaker 1: it to the house sixteen to six.
Speaker 5: The Seahawks get it done.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to start with that play because it
Speaker 1: really was all about this defense and it's now a
Speaker 1: thing we talked about it coming into this game. The
Speaker 1: Seahawks defense in the last three games against the Rams,
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, and now the Cardinals have given
Speaker 1: up a total of thirty six points in regulation. Rams
Speaker 1: hit him for that overtime touchdown too, but I'm talking
Speaker 1: regulation thirty six total points at twelve points a game,
Speaker 1: and they came out today with one thing just stressed
Speaker 1: above all, and that was to stop this Cardinals rushing attack.
Speaker 1: You've been talking about it Nick all year, that they
Speaker 1: kind of go as James Connor goes. Well, he had
Speaker 1: twelve carries today, he had a zero percent success rate
Speaker 1: on those twelve carries and only fourteen runs as a whole.
Speaker 1: Because they were so unsuccessful running the ball. It made
Speaker 1: the Cardinals one dimensional. Kyler could have made a couple
Speaker 1: plays like they had some penalties go against them. There
Speaker 1: is a different world where they are closer at the
Speaker 1: end of this game, but ultimately Seattle's defense dictated, and
Speaker 1: I would say that's been true three straight Division games.
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald a little bit like Baltimore or a year ago,
Speaker 1: has figured things out in the middle of the season
Speaker 1: and they're really streaking.
Speaker 5: Leonard Williams especially was outrageous today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we know that when you stopped this
Speaker 4: rushing attack, that it makes the entire Cardinals offense run
Speaker 4: into a rut. Right, So that should be approach number one.
Speaker 4: But you're right, it absolutely speaks to Seattle coming on
Speaker 4: as of late. I mean The funny thing is that
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald and John Schneider are not afraid to just
Speaker 4: jettison guys that suddenly don't work for them anymore in
Speaker 4: an effort to get better, like Tyrrell Dotson, gone get
Speaker 4: out of here. Oh, by the way, we've allowed ten
Speaker 4: points or twelve points per game over the last three games.
Speaker 4: Like that's super impressive, especially for a regime with Mike
Speaker 4: McDonald as the head coach. Of course, that was a
Speaker 4: little bit questionable because his reputation coming in was I'm
Speaker 4: going to fix this defense.
Speaker 7: This defense was our weakness last year, and for a.
Speaker 4: Lot of the early games this season and even up
Speaker 4: until I don't know the start of this past month
Speaker 4: or so, they weren't delivering. They weren't delivering, and too
Speaker 4: much was on Gino Smith. And you saw the risks
Speaker 4: that are associated with that. Yes, you get the thrills,
Speaker 4: but you also get the risks. Then they come in
Speaker 4: and they hold an offense that's quarterback by Kyler Murray
Speaker 4: just six points and you're able to win with just
Speaker 4: sixteen points offensively. That is a team coming together at
Speaker 4: the right time in a very winnable division, and you
Speaker 4: don't need Gino to throw for three fifty and maybe
Speaker 4: risk three interceptions or something to get there. It's a
Speaker 4: beautiful thing when a team starts to come together like that.
Speaker 1: Well, hell, they only scored nine points offensively, right because
Speaker 1: they they got the pick six, and I think the
Speaker 1: Seahawks offense was better than that number would show. But
Speaker 1: Gino had a very similar interception to what happened on
Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray play. Where after what I thought was
Speaker 1: the Seahawks maybe best drive of the whole season, like
Speaker 1: if they had finished it off, Gino has a rushing
Speaker 1: lane to get a first down and he throws an
Speaker 1: interception that was not necessary and keeps the Cardinals in
Speaker 1: it for a little while longer. But they did get
Speaker 1: the ball back in a situation close to their own
Speaker 1: goal line, and he hit two of the toughest third
Speaker 1: down conversions that you'll ever see. End up having their
Speaker 1: longest drive of the season. It's a field goal drive,
Speaker 1: but it was good situational football and felt to me
Speaker 1: like a game winning drive. I mean, it's not the
Speaker 1: same as you're trailing and you need a touchdown, but
Speaker 1: essentially was a fourth quarter game winning drive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wiped most of the fourth quarter, off the clock
Speaker 3: and Gino ultimately on that interception in the red zone
Speaker 3: ball caught in the end zone. Didn't see the defender
Speaker 3: until he's looking up at the replay after the play,
Speaker 3: and then he was dejected for the entire There was
Speaker 3: a sideline shot of Gino Smith not looking at anybody,
Speaker 3: just staring off in the distance, really frustrated with himself.
Speaker 2: Comes back.
Speaker 3: There's a third and I believe fourteen where Gino just
Speaker 3: had a turnover in the red zone. Yeah, fires a
Speaker 3: dangerous ball to DK that he fits in there like,
Speaker 3: not affected by the mistake at all. Gino comes comes
Speaker 3: right back to go down the field, burning clock while
Speaker 3: throwing the ball. Kenny Walker has a couple plays on
Speaker 3: that drive as well, Jackson Smith and Jigba has a
Speaker 3: catch where the game start. This drive starts way before
Speaker 3: five minutes to go, and you know the clock's not
Speaker 3: stopping on incomplete passes, and it gets into that time
Speaker 3: where the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Were thinking about taking time eutse right towards the end
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that that play to DK was
Speaker 1: one of the plays of the game by Gino, but
Speaker 1: there was also a third and eight to start out
Speaker 1: that drive where the pressure got there right away, And
Speaker 1: for Gino fans today was weird because he really wasn't
Speaker 1: under that much pressure. He actually had a lot of
Speaker 1: time to throw, and early in the game I almost
Speaker 1: felt like it was freaking them out, like we don't
Speaker 1: know what to do, Like he just started spitting around
Speaker 1: a little bit, and they did not move the ball.
Speaker 1: They punted it the first four times, and Arizona really
Speaker 1: wasn't getting that much pressure. They were doing a really
Speaker 1: good job in coverage, and it was a game in
Speaker 1: the second half of very few possessions. They had an
Speaker 1: eleven play drive which ended with his interception, and then
Speaker 1: that eight minute drive that Patrick just referred to. But yes,
Speaker 1: on the first third down where he is essentially backing
Speaker 1: up to his own goal line, just about pressure gets
Speaker 1: there immediately and he throws a ball that hads to
Speaker 1: have perfect anticipation. He throws before the receiver comes out
Speaker 1: of his break. And that's what you love about Gino
Speaker 1: is that he will give you one. At this point,
Speaker 1: we got to accept it, like he'll give you a
Speaker 1: chance at one, and some great quarterbacks too, but he
Speaker 1: will always keep firing. And I actually thought if you
Speaker 1: took that one play away, and that's a big if,
Speaker 1: this would have been like either his best game of
Speaker 1: the year or one of them, because other than that
Speaker 1: one play he was outstanding.
Speaker 2: Nick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you take the good with the bad with him, right,
Speaker 4: like you get the electric moments and you also get
Speaker 4: the moments where you're like, oh no, why'd you throw that?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 4: DK caught it all right? Cool first down? Speaking of which,
Speaker 4: seven or fourteen on third down? I want to know
Speaker 4: how many of those were on that one specific drive
Speaker 4: that Patrick mentioned, because like for the rest of the
Speaker 4: offensive output, it doesn't seem to quite line up. But
Speaker 4: I mean a march like that, you got to convert
Speaker 4: a number of third downs and keep the drive going.
Speaker 5: Kind of a.
Speaker 4: Strange day for them, considering like their identity offensively and
Speaker 4: especially in previous games.
Speaker 7: But you'll take him. You know, a win's a win.
Speaker 5: I will answer your question. Three first downs on that.
Speaker 1: There you go, so three almost half yeah, And that
Speaker 1: first one was to Smith and Jig but who I
Speaker 1: really think has improved and is a big part of
Speaker 1: their story. But the other third down was on a
Speaker 1: third and four draw, and I almost screamed, I can't
Speaker 1: remember the last time the Seahawks have had a successful
Speaker 1: run on a third down in like four I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's outrageous. Their running game was pretty poor throughout
Speaker 1: this game. If they can get their regular running game
Speaker 1: going occasionally like other than plays where ken Walker runs
Speaker 1: into a wall and then spins around and gets seventeen yards,
Speaker 1: they could be really good.
Speaker 3: And maybe work the play action passing game a little
Speaker 3: bit more. Is Geno throwing play action on fifteen percent?
Speaker 3: I think if pass attemps one of the lowest rates
Speaker 3: in the league, and another tendency breaker today where we
Speaker 3: think a Geno taking shots downfield all the time, like
Speaker 3: that ball to dk Metcalf twenty four passes under ten
Speaker 3: are yards today for seventy yards two hundred and seven yards,
Speaker 3: and that one touchdown where there's something about the search
Speaker 3: bar over there. With this Cardinals defense is bugging. Everybody
Speaker 3: can't figure out why up, but they were able to
Speaker 3: consistently do it.
Speaker 5: They got it done again ultimately.
Speaker 1: I mean they held the Seahawks under five yards per play,
Speaker 1: They held them to nine points on offense. Both teams
Speaker 1: were under three hundred yards, So yes, there are good
Speaker 1: defenses here in the NFC West, this division race is
Speaker 1: just getting started. Seahawks needed this win. They already had
Speaker 1: two division losses. The Cardinals didn't have any, they would
Speaker 1: have gone to three and Oh these two teams play
Speaker 1: each other in two weeks and ultimately that game is
Speaker 1: going to be even bigger. But the Seahawks set up
Speaker 1: themselves tie to top the NFC West after eleven weeks
Speaker 1: at six and five. Good stuff by the Seahawks in
Speaker 1: this entire division. Let's take a break and get to
Speaker 1: some other craziness.
Speaker 5: In the NFC one. Jake mcway the long snapper Ryan
Speaker 5: right home.
Speaker 11: This is a twenty nine yard field goal between the
Speaker 11: hash Marks to.
Speaker 5: Win at snapspot Roll. Minnesota Vikings have won.
Speaker 11: Five consecutive games.
Speaker 5: At Soldier Field.
Speaker 9: The final score thirty to twenty seven.
Speaker 1: That was our friend Paul Allen on k FA N.
Speaker 1: They had to work for it, the Minnesota Vikings winning
Speaker 1: overtime after giving up an eleven point lead in the
Speaker 1: final two minutes.
Speaker 5: Of this game. Great game in the NFC.
Speaker 1: North, Caleb Williams played out standing throws for three hundred
Speaker 1: and forty yards and two touchdowns. Like I said, led
Speaker 1: the Bears to a last second drive and then a
Speaker 1: last second field goal after they recover an onside kick
Speaker 1: with under twenty seconds to go. A fantastic game. Jordan
Speaker 1: Addison goes for eight for one sixty two. I think
Speaker 1: this is the perfect situation. Patrick for Bears fans, well
Speaker 1: is that? I mean, I know you'd like to win
Speaker 1: and this hurts. But Caleb Williams has played his two
Speaker 1: best games as a pro. I believe in a row. Okay,
Speaker 1: he looked. You're seeing everything you want out of your
Speaker 1: number one overall draft pick. But ownership has also seen
Speaker 1: everything they want to fire Matty Eberflus at the end
Speaker 1: of this year.
Speaker 5: This team's not going to the playoffs anyway.
Speaker 1: So what you want is Caleb development, but maybe some losses,
Speaker 1: a good draft pick, and a new head coach next year.
Speaker 3: I can I can see the case for that. Okay,
Speaker 3: get you get everything that you want, you find your quarterback. Finally,
Speaker 3: three forty two touchdowns, where he also led the game
Speaker 3: in rushing for the Chicago Bears as well, beating out
Speaker 3: it's gonna be tough to run against this floor's defense,
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be tough to throw for three hundred
Speaker 3: and forty yards and he is able to do that.
Speaker 3: And yes, the most of the Bears people that I
Speaker 3: talked to, the fans, the people who want the best
Speaker 3: for the team, would and you know, shout out to
Speaker 3: Maddiberflus and all the success he's had, would prefer a
Speaker 3: different head coach.
Speaker 2: So I agree that maybe this is the best case.
Speaker 1: Although you know now I'm talking out of both sides
Speaker 1: of my mouth. If you had just won this game,
Speaker 1: first of all, would have felt good to end that
Speaker 1: losing streak. You know, only'd be at six losses, which
Speaker 1: now in the NFC would only be one lost back,
Speaker 1: so you could have some copium convincing of yourself. But
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I don't think the Bears
Speaker 1: are gonna win a ton of games down the stretches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Caleb is suddenly playing well now, but the defense isn't
Speaker 1: getting enough stops. Shook when it really matters, the Vikings
Speaker 1: go for four hundred and fifty two yards. I was
Speaker 1: really impressed actually with the drive that they had to
Speaker 1: set up a Romo field goal with one fifty six left.
Speaker 1: Felt like that ended the game at twenty seven to sixteen,
Speaker 1: where Nick Mullins had a third and long because he
Speaker 1: came in for a play, and Aaron Jones gets a
Speaker 1: big conversion, and then Sam Darnold, who has really played
Speaker 1: well the last couple of weeks especially, has a big
Speaker 1: third down conversion and they're bleeding the clock. So the
Speaker 1: Bears it's not getting enough stops really to be the
Speaker 1: type of team that Eberflus wants him to be. And
Speaker 1: I think for the Vikings getting to nine and two
Speaker 1: with a win like this, I don't care about the
Speaker 1: style points. I think that's impressive that they stuck with
Speaker 1: it and you ultimately get it done in the end.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean style points can be overrated from time
Speaker 4: to time, especially in a divisional game. I mean on
Speaker 4: that Bears defensive note though, there were like multiple third
Speaker 4: downs in the overtime period where I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this defense is crumbling, Like this is not the defense
Speaker 4: that it was even six weeks ago. There were multiple
Speaker 4: third downs where Darnald drops back he's been sacked there
Speaker 4: behind schedule, and he finds TJ. Howkinson open, He finds
Speaker 4: Jordan Dadison open down the sideline beyond the sticks.
Speaker 7: Where it's soft coverage. Why are you allowing that to
Speaker 7: happen because your defense is not as good as it
Speaker 7: used to be.
Speaker 4: On a day in which you allow three different guard
Speaker 4: guys to break one hundred yards Aaron Jones twenty two
Speaker 4: for one oh six, jordanas An eight for one to
Speaker 4: sixty two, Hockinson seven for one to fourteen. Like you said,
Speaker 4: four hundred and fifty two yards of offense for the Vikings.
Speaker 4: That is not the Bears defense that we thought it
Speaker 4: was not too It's a late great Denny Green. But yeah,
Speaker 4: but so yeah, I and the Vikings get the job done.
Speaker 4: Like that's what's most important here is that they got
Speaker 4: the job done. Sam played a clean game. He threw
Speaker 4: for three thirty. Everything's fine. It was a little weird
Speaker 4: at the end. You screwed up on some details, but
Speaker 4: you came away with the win. You were able to
Speaker 4: overcome that adversity when you were basically collapsing on the
Speaker 4: road in the Windy City. But I do want to
Speaker 4: pivot back to Kayla because there was one throw he
Speaker 4: made early in the game where he ran down the sideline.
Speaker 4: He was he escaped pressure, He's looking downfield and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is a video game throw. Because as he's looking,
Speaker 4: he's doing the Josh Allen, He's approaching the sideline and
Speaker 4: DeAndre Swifts wisely turns upfield and he just loft it
Speaker 4: over the defender to Swift for a gain of thirty
Speaker 4: And at that moment I wrote down the note where
Speaker 4: I was just like, that's the play extension that we've
Speaker 4: seen from him four weeks that usually resultsed in completions
Speaker 4: or he has to throw it away, or maybe he
Speaker 4: gets sack late, which did happen to him later, but
Speaker 4: he was able to make it work. And that was
Speaker 4: kind of a point about this whole Bears offense since
Speaker 4: they replaced Shane Waldron with Thomas Brown, where I'm like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know what, Yeah, they lost the game, but they
Speaker 4: still put up three hundred and nine eight yards of offense.
Speaker 4: They still we had a fighting chance. They still competed
Speaker 4: in Kayler was able to make things like that happen.
Speaker 4: He is way better than I thought he would be
Speaker 4: coming out of USC. Illt the generational tag on him,
Speaker 4: but after watching everything that he's dealt with, because like
Speaker 4: we've spent so many weeks, the talking heads have spent
Speaker 4: so many weeks, not us specifically, because I think we
Speaker 4: know better where it's like, is Caleb the problem? Do
Speaker 4: they need a quarterback again? They don't need a quarterback again.
Speaker 4: They need to be better around him, and that starts
Speaker 4: with the coaching staff. This is the guy. He is
Speaker 4: a special quarterback. Bears fans enjoy it. Hope that everything
Speaker 4: around him gets little bit better because he's gonna be
Speaker 4: your guy for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's a really fascinating comment, but it makes sense if
Speaker 1: you weren't as big as him coming out of college.
Speaker 1: I was never worried long term about him. He had
Speaker 1: shown more than enough throughout this season, and it was
Speaker 1: so early. But the way this season was going, how
Speaker 1: can you not be a little surprised how quickly that
Speaker 1: the change to Thomas Brown has turned things around. I
Speaker 1: really think his game last week was underrated and he
Speaker 1: played outstanding and he had to throw a swift, but
Speaker 1: earlier on that drive he also ripped one into Keenan
Speaker 1: Allen ye. They were down eleven points, like I said,
Speaker 1: and it felt like it was maybe garbage time. And
Speaker 1: I'm tracking this game because one of my picks with
Speaker 1: Cynthia was Vikings, you know, minus three and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they're going to get the cover, and
Speaker 1: they actually have a fourth down play where Roma Dunze
Speaker 1: catches it like a great individual played by a Dunze,
Speaker 1: but a great throw also by Caleb to trust him
Speaker 1: on a fourth down, like they would have lost by
Speaker 1: eleven if they don't make that play. But they get
Speaker 1: the touchdown, they get the two point conversion, and then
Speaker 1: they get the on side kick after it bounces off
Speaker 1: a Viking. And I think one of the best throws
Speaker 1: he made all game was twenty one seconds left. He
Speaker 1: has to thread it over the top of the linebacker,
Speaker 1: but with velocity. To DJ Moore, that was a sick throw.
Speaker 1: You run up and you spike it. That's legendary stuff.
Speaker 1: And I know the overtime when Salary took a bad sack.
Speaker 1: He's a rookie and it wasn't all going to be perfect,
Speaker 1: but my god, he he was like one of the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in the NFL today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And even when things go don't go right, right,
Speaker 3: because that completion to Romo Dunze on fourth down, it
Speaker 3: came after a third down attempt where Caleb Sails won
Speaker 3: over Rome's head. Right, he's throwing his hand on his
Speaker 3: helmet because he can't believe he made a miss like that.
Speaker 3: But then he comes right back. And so even the decisions,
Speaker 3: and that's the one thing that I always want to
Speaker 3: with a rookie quarterback. Whether or not the ball is complete,
Speaker 3: the throw is catchable, how was the decision, how is
Speaker 3: the process? And the process has been very good for
Speaker 3: Caleb again, other than when he holds on the ball
Speaker 3: for entirely too long like he did in overtime. But
Speaker 3: the question is, Shook points out, is is the team
Speaker 3: around him right? And you mentioned that Nick Mullens completion
Speaker 3: that was actually a very high leverage play, like it's
Speaker 3: twenty one to sixteen. At that point, Sam Donald is out.
Speaker 3: Nick Mullens comes in for one play. That one play
Speaker 3: is third and twelve. It's third and twelve and he
Speaker 3: throws He throws an easy pass to Aaron Jones where
Speaker 3: there's no Bears defenders there in the middle of the field.
Speaker 3: He runs for a first down. Nick Mallins could take
Speaker 3: his helmet off and go chill for the rest of
Speaker 3: the game. Because Sam Donald comes back in, they go
Speaker 3: down the field and hit a field goal, which winds
Speaker 3: up being ultimately the difference in the game, right.
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones fumbled on the goal line early in the game.
Speaker 1: He ends up with one hundred yards on the ground.
Speaker 1: Also had that huge reception when Aaron Jones is playing well,
Speaker 1: they're playing well. He talked to our friend Stacy Dale's
Speaker 1: after the game, so good to.
Speaker 11: See you get in the end zone after that fumble
Speaker 11: in the first drive.
Speaker 7: How I mean, we saw the emotions on the sideline.
Speaker 2: I tried to keep it.
Speaker 14: I try to keep it together on the salon, but
Speaker 14: it's hard, you know, because I want to get in
Speaker 14: the end zone so bad and you.
Speaker 5: Lose the ball.
Speaker 14: Those are things that get you fired, you know, And
Speaker 14: I can't. I can't do that. I gotta be better
Speaker 14: than that. But I'm glad I got a chance to
Speaker 14: make up for it. And I told coach, thank you
Speaker 14: for sticking with me, and it means the world to me.
Speaker 7: He ain't nobody firing you, my friend.
Speaker 5: That is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: Although Jones has had that's a couple of big time
Speaker 1: fumbles now in big situations near the goal line, but
Speaker 1: he ends up helping them get to a win with
Speaker 1: some big plays late. And yeah, when Addison's one of
Speaker 1: the best second receivers in the league. Is nice to
Speaker 1: see him go off for eight for one sixty two.
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson had a long touchdown called back by an
Speaker 1: offensive pass interference. But if you can win and be
Speaker 1: dominant offensively on a day where he only had twenty
Speaker 1: seven yards and Hockinson is going crazy, shows you're doing
Speaker 1: something right.
Speaker 5: They have the right coach.
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell has the most one score wins in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL since he was hired in twenty and twenty two.
Speaker 1: You know who has the worst record in one score
Speaker 1: games since twenty twenty two. It's right there for you, guys, Shanahan,
Speaker 1: It's right there for you guys.
Speaker 5: It's part of this game. It all connects. That's why
Speaker 5: you gotta get a new coach.
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis where one of the best coaches in the league
Speaker 1: was visiting.
Speaker 5: Jared Lean's in. There's the snap, Jared hands it to
Speaker 5: Gibbs over the right side, trying to get to the edge,
Speaker 5: will touchdown.
Speaker 8: Detroit Lyons felt the contact just kept going outside.
Speaker 6: Until he found an opening and he did second touchdown
Speaker 6: of the day for Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 1: Some days it's a David Montgomery day, some days it's
Speaker 1: a Jamir Gibbs day.
Speaker 5: Usually it's both.
Speaker 1: This was the ninth game where they both scored a touchdown,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely outrageous. But the fact that Jamiir Gibbs
Speaker 1: is one of the best players on the field at
Speaker 1: any time that he is on the field made a
Speaker 1: huge difference in a twenty four to six Lions victory
Speaker 1: over the Colts. That was Dan Miller from WXYT Lomas
Speaker 1: Brown in the booth as well, And this was a game, guys,
Speaker 1: that didn't have to be as one sided as it was.
Speaker 1: When you watched it, it didn't seem like they were
Speaker 1: that uneven. But the crazy difference, I think, if you
Speaker 1: just wanted to pick one, was how the Lions are
Speaker 1: so good at running the ball that they can run
Speaker 1: the ball on third and long three different times in
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 5: They did so.
Speaker 1: The first time it was part of a drive with
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs where he hits a third and run long.
Speaker 1: I think it was third and eight on that one,
Speaker 1: and he gets the first down and they just ride
Speaker 1: him all the way to the end zone five straight.
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs plays, he scores a touchdown. Second quarter. This
Speaker 1: is Montgomery play third and six. You give it to Montgomery.
Speaker 1: He just knocks people off them and yeah, maybe they're
Speaker 1: running to set up the fourth down, but they didn't
Speaker 1: even need it.
Speaker 5: He converts.
Speaker 1: They give him the ball two plays later for the touchdown,
Speaker 1: reward him. And then late in the game that touchdown
Speaker 1: call we heard was actually a third and five from
Speaker 1: the fourteen and the game from the six rather, and
Speaker 1: the game was still up in the air.
Speaker 5: It was fourteen to six.
Speaker 1: It was a one score game, and they're scoring touchdowns
Speaker 1: and they're converting third and long. Shook by handing the
Speaker 1: ball off. They have so many different ways to win,
Speaker 1: but literally no other team in the NFL is winning
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: Well, it starts with their offensive line, which we have
Speaker 4: known is one of the best units in the NFL.
Speaker 4: We've known that since last year. They protect Jared Goff well,
Speaker 4: they open rushing lanes, and they have two phenomenal backs
Speaker 4: to take advantage of that. And like you said, sometimes
Speaker 4: this is Jamir Gibs day and sometimes the day, but
Speaker 4: Dave Montgomery did today was Jamir GiB day. But the
Speaker 4: fact that you have that at your disposal frees you
Speaker 4: up to be unpredictable on a passing down. For most teams,
Speaker 4: it could be a running down for you. This is
Speaker 4: also very much just a classic Lions win. The score
Speaker 4: might not indicate it because they only won by eighteen
Speaker 4: you know air quotes. But at the same time they
Speaker 4: go for almost four hundred yards of offense, they convert
Speaker 4: nine to fifteen third downs, and they dominate time of
Speaker 4: possession by fourteen minutes. Like that's what you can do
Speaker 4: when you run the ball.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, Jared Goff, master of finding
Speaker 4: guys open over the middle of the field. He goes
Speaker 4: fifteen to sixteen for one eighty five when targeting the
Speaker 4: middle third of the.
Speaker 7: Field, when is over expected of plus sixteen.
Speaker 4: Like, if there's one thing you take away from the Lions,
Speaker 4: it's the middle third of the field. They didn't do it.
Speaker 4: They didn't stop the run. Of course, the Lions are
Speaker 4: going to win this way. It's just that they had
Speaker 4: a possession and on downs on the Indian Apple was
Speaker 4: fourteen that could have produced a touchdown or at least
Speaker 4: a field goal. That's why the score comes so close.
Speaker 4: You know, even an eighteen point different still feels kind
Speaker 4: of close for this Lions team because of how badly
Speaker 4: they've blown teams out. This is who they are. They're
Speaker 4: ten to one. They're a great football team, and they're
Speaker 4: a buzz saw. Like another terms, they're a wagon.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: This is a team that is gonna give everybody problems,
Speaker 4: including the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5: I think the Colts defense played well.
Speaker 1: I think they even played like well enough to win
Speaker 1: a different sort of game if the offense had gone
Speaker 1: on some longer drives. You mentioned how they they stopped
Speaker 1: the Lions on a fourth down in the red zone,
Speaker 1: which you just don't see too much, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like they were so worried about the
Speaker 1: middle of the field. You have the linebackers playing back
Speaker 1: on third down and it still didn't help. And the
Speaker 1: Lions kept looking at that and they're like, if you're
Speaker 1: not gonna play big upfront against us, defensively, we're gonna
Speaker 1: run in these situations all the time, and we're good enough,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit it.
Speaker 2: It works out for them.
Speaker 3: The Colts, by the way, have three players on their
Speaker 3: team with over one hundred tackles now in this game,
Speaker 3: which is crazy.
Speaker 2: At week twelve where.
Speaker 3: They got a great play from Layatu Latu was a
Speaker 3: scary play for the Lions because not only did Jared
Speaker 3: Goff fumble, but Taylor Decker gets rolled up I think
Speaker 3: within ten plays. Also, the cornerback Carlton Davis leaves the
Speaker 3: game with a nider. He was on the bike, he
Speaker 3: said afterwards. He's able to stand and walk on it.
Speaker 3: But you have to watch it out for those guys
Speaker 3: for the game coming up on Thanksgiving with a quick turnaround,
Speaker 3: dealing with injuries in this one, but a solid game
Speaker 3: by a Colts defense. In the offense, it's been what
Speaker 3: it's been kind of all year, whether it's Anthony Richardson
Speaker 3: or Joe Flacco boom or bust. A lot of shots downfield,
Speaker 3: a lot of plays called back due to penalty as well.
Speaker 3: Josh Downs had a huge completion they got wiped away.
Speaker 3: Richardson just missed Peers for what could have been a
Speaker 3: touchdown earlier in the game. It's just a very just
Speaker 3: a high variance situation with Indy at all times on
Speaker 3: offense where they're limited possession wise here and the best
Speaker 3: possessions they do have, they make mistakes in them.
Speaker 1: It's so funny, like each week looking at his Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson's average up to the target, it was over thirteen
Speaker 1: in this game and he only completed eleven passes out
Speaker 1: of twenty eight, but he did it for one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy two yards. This was a better version of
Speaker 1: the game that got him bench where I said, if
Speaker 1: you watch the tape, he looked much better than that,
Speaker 1: cause I actually thought Richardson played well enough today as well.
Speaker 5: Here's what happened to them.
Speaker 1: Three plays called back from penalty, Ogletree dropped a sure
Speaker 1: touchdown which really changed the game, and they had another
Speaker 1: drop in a big spot. And then there was another
Speaker 1: Ashton duel and catch where it was a nice throw
Speaker 1: to the sideline and he does the Xavier Worthy thing
Speaker 1: where he doesn't get his feet coordinated, and so the
Speaker 1: passing game I think could have been a lot better.
Speaker 1: Josh Downs left with an injury at one point but
Speaker 1: was able to come back. Same thing with Michael Pittman
Speaker 1: who finishes six for ninety six. That guy is just
Speaker 1: so tough. But they're just not going to go anywhere
Speaker 1: if they can't get Jonathan Taylor going. And Taylor was
Speaker 1: eleven for thirty five today. They used Richardson in the
Speaker 1: running game pretty effectively when they needed to early. But
Speaker 1: if Jonathan Taylor in that part of the running game
Speaker 1: isn't working and it's hard against the Lions, then they're
Speaker 1: just not gonna be good enough. One of the reasons
Speaker 1: it's not working the Lions are starting three rookie offensive
Speaker 1: linemen now, partly because of injuries. It was a third rounder,
Speaker 1: a fourth rounder, and I believe an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: That's tough. Richardson was under a lot of pressure today.
Speaker 1: Alie McNeil absolutely dominated his matchup against oh Man.
Speaker 5: I wrote it down. I felt bad for this young man.
Speaker 1: Maybe I won't even say his name because it was
Speaker 1: just sad how bad he was. It was Dalton Tucker,
Speaker 1: who is a real person for the Colts. Did I
Speaker 1: just threw it out there? Sorry, Dalton, wherever you are.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the injuries. David Montgomery left with a
Speaker 1: shoulder injury but said he'll be fine for next week.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Carlton Davis, Taylor, Decker returned to the game.
Speaker 1: Kleiff Raymon, who's an important player for them, had a
Speaker 1: foot injury, and I think it might be something that
Speaker 1: keeps him out a little while, certainly out for Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: but now standing performance there by the Dolph. The Lion
Speaker 1: there at ten and one, the best Lions team in
Speaker 1: history through eleven games, and the Colts are at five
Speaker 1: and seven. Not out of it in the AFC South
Speaker 1: if the Texans keep blowing it. That was the Sunday
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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito would help the vibes, wouldn't he.
Speaker 5: Here's the snap, second down and goal.
Speaker 8: Bucks have two timeouts running the ball, Who's Baker may
Speaker 8: He fakes the past cruncher was left.
Speaker 2: To no one touchdown.
Speaker 9: Baker Mayfield pullula cafe and flew into the Absolve about
Speaker 9: that touchdown number three rushing for Baker Mayfield this season?
Speaker 2: Look at him cheering on the Bucks fans.
Speaker 1: That was Jeene Deckerhoff on Wfusen. Yeah, couldn't have known
Speaker 1: that Baker was doing the Tommy Cutlets celebration. That is
Speaker 1: what he was doing after a very Tommy DeVito run there,
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield doing at all. Thirty to seven Bucks come
Speaker 1: off their bye week and do exactly what they would want,
Speaker 1: total domination, about as one sided a first half as
Speaker 1: they could have possibly had, and then they just cruised
Speaker 1: to a victory where Tommy DeVito ends up with one
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine yards almost all in deep garbage time.
Speaker 1: The first half of this game shook two hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety yards to sixty four Baker completions, seven nineteen Giants
Speaker 1: plays seventeen Bucky Irving had more receiving yards I believe
Speaker 1: at the time than the Giants had total yards at halftime.
Speaker 1: So it just did it looked like a non conference game.
Speaker 1: It was a bigger like one. Like you, I watched
Speaker 1: a little Georgia U Mass just for because I'm a sicko,
Speaker 1: and this was way more one sided than Georgia U Mass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that wasn't a surprisingly competitive game between Georgia UMass
Speaker 4: by the way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Baker eight.
Speaker 4: For ten on passes of ten plus air yards for
Speaker 4: one seventy two. Okay, like very lopsided If people think
Speaker 4: that the Buccaneers are what their record says they are,
Speaker 4: they're wrong. This is a much better team than four
Speaker 4: and six are now five and six. They've just been
Speaker 4: banged up like crazy and they're starting to get healthy
Speaker 4: at the right time. And they played a team that
Speaker 4: basically they kicked while they were down. Like Tommy DeVito
Speaker 4: comes in and it's been a weird week for the
Speaker 4: Giants with the whole Daniel Jones playing safety on scout team,
Speaker 4: then reading the statement, then being gone the next day.
Speaker 4: Tommy DeVito is the next best option in the mind
Speaker 4: of Brian Dable, and this is what you get. An
Speaker 4: unproductive offense, a lopsided loss with a Buccaneers team that
Speaker 4: needs a launch pad. They need a little bit of
Speaker 4: good feeling going as they get into the stretch run
Speaker 4: in the you know, late in the season, as they
Speaker 4: try to reach the playoffs. This is the team to
Speaker 4: play to get back on track and get the momentum
Speaker 4: going in your right direction. And of course it starts
Speaker 4: with Baker Mayfield, who you know, as much as people
Speaker 4: like to hate on him, he's still having a phenomenal year.
Speaker 7: In fact, I think I believe he's on pace to
Speaker 7: best his career numbers.
Speaker 5: Straw Man, who are the people hating on? Is it me?
Speaker 5: Because if it is me, I don't need you to
Speaker 5: be saying people like doing I'm sitting.
Speaker 7: Right here, beryll jump through this screen right now now.
Speaker 5: I gotta give him credit. He's playing there, it is.
Speaker 1: I actually think he's been playing better Patrick since Mike
Speaker 1: Evans and Chris Godwin got hurt. And now you get
Speaker 1: Mike Evans back, and he made a difference in this
Speaker 1: game five for sixty eight. Couple of nice chunk plays
Speaker 1: and their helmet.
Speaker 3: No, no, definitely in this Giants team, as you mentioned,
Speaker 3: is completely dead in the water. There's I mean, well,
Speaker 3: well we'll get to that discussion with because I know
Speaker 3: we have Molague neighbors sound very frustrated the league neighbors
Speaker 3: who wound up eventually getting nine targets. But we'll hear
Speaker 3: from Alik on when those targets came.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're a host, you could just start Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: Let's hear Melik neighbors after the game, answering questions about
Speaker 3: his participation as well.
Speaker 13: Is his frustration I'm Tyler going out dre and losing
Speaker 13: like it's just that. I mean, oh no, bro, go
Speaker 13: out there, first second quarter, don't get the ball, start
Speaker 13: getting targets at DN. I mean, I can't do thating
Speaker 13: stargeting the ball when it's thirty zero to do.
Speaker 12: Why in the first half are they not looking at you.
Speaker 2: I don't know Tyler Daves about that.
Speaker 7: Hmmm, it's the gum smacking that really does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that gum is getting chewed off.
Speaker 7: Hard, eight pieces of double bubble in his mouth.
Speaker 3: But and again we got the full context there, because
Speaker 3: I think the overall reaction is gonna be Elik Neighbors
Speaker 3: firing shots at Brian day ball. It's a legitimate response,
Speaker 3: like you're gonna ask me why the ball's coming to
Speaker 3: me when the quarterback is getting released.
Speaker 2: Now we've got a.
Speaker 3: Second year guy and Tommy DeVito coming in throwing me
Speaker 3: the ball. Why are you asking me this question?
Speaker 12: Oh?
Speaker 2: Those other people you should be directing these questions towards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he made it fairly clear because he said, well,
Speaker 1: you can see the quarterback isn't the issue here because
Speaker 1: we look the same today as we did with Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: to which I would say, not that bass, Yes, but
Speaker 1: the position is the issue, Malik, like neither quarter both
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are the issue. You're right, it didn't get better
Speaker 1: with Tommy DeVito. I would argue it got a little worse.
Speaker 7: But Lake's biased though.
Speaker 4: He's biased because they just got rid of the quarterback
Speaker 4: who leaned disproportionately on him for the first half of
Speaker 4: the season. Of course he's mad he's not getting targets.
Speaker 4: He got a ton with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: That's true, but in the first half of these games
Speaker 1: he wasn't as much and it didn't matter. The Giants
Speaker 1: defense was just getting dog walked down the field. I
Speaker 1: love Bucky Irving. He ends up with one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty six yards from scrimmage. He's doing some great blocking
Speaker 1: uncertain pass places, which is supposed to be the thing
Speaker 1: that he couldn't do at all. But I at least
Speaker 1: saw one one great rep today. Rashad White is one
Speaker 1: of the best pass blockers in the league, and he
Speaker 1: ends up with a touchdown today and active but man,
Speaker 1: Irving just makes guys miss I. I gotta go check
Speaker 1: out the PFF's elusive rate after this, because I just
Speaker 1: have to imagine he is up there near the top
Speaker 1: with Josh Jacobs in terms of forcing miss tackles. He's
Speaker 1: electric And to give you, guys, your Baker Mayfield flowers.
Speaker 1: He was so good in this game. I don't even
Speaker 1: want to point out any of the plays in the
Speaker 1: first half where they were as dominant a team as
Speaker 1: I've seen all season on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to point out a couple of plays
Speaker 1: in the second half. There was a third and eight
Speaker 1: early where he's dropping back into the end zone and
Speaker 1: his pass protection is holding up great, and that's part
Speaker 1: of the reason why he's having such a good season.
Speaker 1: But he is just so calm back there looking through
Speaker 1: his reads. They're not there. And then he scrambles and
Speaker 1: that where he gets that nice block, just like a
Speaker 1: great run. Then third and eleven later on that drive,
Speaker 1: just a few plays letter the type of situation we're
Speaker 1: saying that maybe Baker's not built for that. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that sometimes he's not built for that third and eleven
Speaker 1: straight dropback. They actually don't protect him well. He hits
Speaker 1: a dart right over the middle to a man named
Speaker 1: Ryan Miller while he's getting absolutely clobbered by Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1: That's play number two, and then play number three is
Speaker 1: the fifty six yard run by Bucky Irving where Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield is out as his lead blocker, out running big
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving and making a pretty nice block where he
Speaker 1: peels back on the play. I mean this, dude, he's
Speaker 1: getting it done. He's not an MVP candidate, but he's
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. I got it that last play. That last
Speaker 1: play was so good. And that's what Baker does. He's
Speaker 1: been doing that for years.
Speaker 4: He'll run with the play and sometimes get involved in
Speaker 4: the blocking, but he's so far ahead of Bucky that
Speaker 4: he's going, come on, come on, we'll go.
Speaker 1: It was really good and been saying it for a while. Here,
Speaker 1: the Bucks really have an opportunity to go win the
Speaker 1: NFC South, and now with that Washington loss, it just
Speaker 1: puts it in my mind more that second wild card
Speaker 1: might be up for grabs too. So even if Atlanta
Speaker 1: is winning games, the Bucks, they are in this mix.
Speaker 1: They have a good schedule coming up. They stay in
Speaker 1: the division next week in Carolina. But wait, maybe going
Speaker 1: to Carolina isn't so easy anymore.
Speaker 9: Well, Carolina call time out placement is down, Schrader's kick
Speaker 9: is up.
Speaker 6: Traders kick is God, God God Stretcher Schrader on a
Speaker 6: thirty one yard field goal, and the Chiefs walk it
Speaker 6: off with the field goal, winning thirty to twenty seven
Speaker 6: to get their tenth victory of the twenty twenty four campaign.
Speaker 1: Mitch Holtis wdaf if it's Sunday, it's a Mitch Holts
Speaker 1: call on the last play of the game.
Speaker 5: And the Chiefs are winning at this.
Speaker 1: Point, they're so bored that they're just coming up with
Speaker 1: new players that could come up with game winning plays.
Speaker 1: Spencer Strader like, that's a guy we definitely heard of
Speaker 1: three weeks ago. Sure, thirty to twenty seven, Chiefs get
Speaker 1: it done. Bryce Young plays, well, all those tiktoks you
Speaker 1: were telling me, I'm an old man, Patrick about that.
Speaker 1: We're saying Bryce Young and the Panthers they were gonna
Speaker 1: be the team that ends the Chiefs you know, winning streak.
Speaker 1: Of course, the streak ends last week, but they almost
Speaker 1: got this.
Speaker 3: W They almost did, and the Chiefs give up twenty
Speaker 3: seven points to the Panthers after giving up their first
Speaker 3: thirty point regular season game.
Speaker 2: To the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3: Where there's some concerns there, but things started off because
Speaker 3: you said, Greg, coming into this game, you wanted the
Speaker 3: Chiefs to go again, go down the field and score,
Speaker 3: and that's how they started. There's a samaj p Ron
Speaker 3: kickoff return fifty six yards and then the Panthers blow
Speaker 3: a coverage three plays later on a Noah Great touchdown.
Speaker 3: Has another touchdown later. This game's got four scores in
Speaker 3: the last two games. And then the Panthers have drives
Speaker 3: that both kind of fizzle out. They endo with field goals.
Speaker 3: But then finally the Panthers defense, after really not making
Speaker 3: plays in the game. Seven p fifty six to go
Speaker 3: in the first half, Jadavian Clowney wins off the lone
Speaker 3: of scrimmage retraces to get Mahomes on a sack.
Speaker 2: They're forced to take a straighter field goal there.
Speaker 3: The Panthers defense got some key stops as the game
Speaker 3: goes on and Bryce heats up. He hits David Moore
Speaker 3: on a long play, then converts to David Moore on
Speaker 3: the touchdown. They're down eight late, get the touchdown and
Speaker 3: a two point conversion after Mahomes, who thankfully they lose.
Speaker 3: Jadavian standards in this game was a tough one. He
Speaker 3: lands on his head. They get charged the time out
Speaker 3: there he was going out of bounds. I'm not quite
Speaker 3: sure what happened because the play was out of bounds.
Speaker 3: They forced a runoff on the Panthers towards the end
Speaker 3: of the first half, but that being side the point,
Speaker 3: they do get Adam thielenback. That was the thankful part,
Speaker 3: that mentioning.
Speaker 5: And that Sanders is okay.
Speaker 1: He was brought to a hospital with a neck injury,
Speaker 1: but they said he's out of the hospital, has movement,
Speaker 1: and that's great to.
Speaker 3: Hear and good for him. But again, an underman team
Speaker 3: led by Bryce Young, who was very very good against
Speaker 3: Bags today, a lot of beataway passes in the face
Speaker 3: of the blitz. They got the two point conversion as
Speaker 3: Chuba Hubbard goes in after he forces a second try
Speaker 3: on that because Bryce keeps the play alive, throws a
Speaker 3: pass that gets called for pass interference. Then they come
Speaker 3: back and give it to Cuba. There but a minute
Speaker 3: fifty six seconds with number fifteen on the other side.
Speaker 3: The Panthers secondary goes back to not making a play
Speaker 3: and the second team just allows Patrick Mahomes to go
Speaker 3: on a thirty plus yard run down the sideline.
Speaker 2: Late in the game for some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear that Patrick setting us up perfectly once again.
Speaker 5: He's a host Oh Holmes.
Speaker 9: First and ten steps up into the pocket being chased.
Speaker 9: But now he's gonna scramble to the near side. Fifty
Speaker 9: cuts inside.
Speaker 6: Forty five, took the sideline out of bounds with one
Speaker 6: of the longest runs in his career down to the
Speaker 6: Carolina twenty two yard line.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. Five runs for sixty yards in this game.
Speaker 1: He's had more rushing value this season than any season
Speaker 1: of his career because they've needed it, and that was
Speaker 1: a big spot.
Speaker 5: That was the fastest I've seen him.
Speaker 1: Look in a while, Like, I do want to ask
Speaker 1: you Patrick, because you watch this game the closest I
Speaker 1: was begging. I even sent out a social clip about it.
Speaker 5: Can you give me?
Speaker 1: Can you give me a blowout that didn't happen? But
Speaker 1: can you give me some fun? Can you give me
Speaker 1: some offensive fireworks?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: On one hand, you look, they only had eight possessions
Speaker 1: and they scored thirty points. It's tough for me to
Speaker 1: say they didn't deliver there, But ye didn't have any
Speaker 1: many big plays.
Speaker 5: It's like all these long, slow drives.
Speaker 1: It's twenty seven first downs but only thirty nine you know,
Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety one yards.
Speaker 5: Did they deliver on what I asked?
Speaker 2: Did they?
Speaker 5: Did they come through?
Speaker 2: There was the big blow covers to Noah Gray.
Speaker 3: There was a nice ball to new Hopkins that he
Speaker 3: was able to force a pass interference call on. But
Speaker 3: ultimately a lot of what you saw throughout the game
Speaker 3: from the Carolina Panthers defense and the Chiefs offense was
Speaker 3: defenders dropping back into deep zones and watching Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: and then late in the game, Patrick Mahomes just the sides. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna run here because you guys are
Speaker 3: just standing back there looking at me.
Speaker 7: Why are we dropping in the deep zones. It's not
Speaker 7: twenty nineteen. This is the bulk and stricter Chiefs.
Speaker 5: They don't go deep.
Speaker 4: They go deep once a game, maybe twice, and Xavier
Speaker 4: Worthy either doesn't catch it, Mahomes messagehim, or he catches
Speaker 4: it and he steps out of bounds before he gets
Speaker 4: both feet in.
Speaker 7: What are you doing, Carolina, This is a winnable game.
Speaker 4: Bryce is playing, well, why are you taking that defensive approach?
Speaker 7: Come on, shame on you, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't think they have the dudes.
Speaker 3: I don't think they feel comfortable with the duds as
Speaker 3: they have back there to be more aggressive.
Speaker 1: For well, the most surprising thing of the day is
Speaker 1: that the Panthers had eight quarterback hits in five sacks
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, if I wanted to be a
Speaker 1: Chiefs hater, and I would compare them a little bit
Speaker 1: to a team during the Patriots dynasty. And this is
Speaker 1: a little extra this. I don't think it's quite this bad.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be this bad, but it'd be
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen Patriots, which never were really an eight
Speaker 1: to oh team. They never a lot of that team.
Speaker 1: They ended up taking on water down the stretch. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Chiefs are going to do that, but
Speaker 1: I do think they have an increasing amount of problems
Speaker 1: for this team that do not look like a ten
Speaker 1: to one team. The offensive line, now it's a couple
Speaker 1: weeks of the defense, we'll see if that sticks.
Speaker 5: And the lack of.
Speaker 1: Explosion on offense just you know, it just might not
Speaker 1: be their year, but maybe they'll just crank it up
Speaker 1: at the end. I actually think they're getting a little
Speaker 1: tired of it like the weight of it all is
Speaker 1: getting to them.
Speaker 5: Let's listen to Patrick Mahomes after the game.
Speaker 10: You want to have some blowouts, you want to be
Speaker 10: a little calmer in the fourth quarter. But I've always
Speaker 10: said it's a good thing as you get to the
Speaker 10: playoffs and later in the season, just knowing that you've
Speaker 10: been in those moments before and knowing how to how
Speaker 10: to kind of attack it. But play by play and
Speaker 10: I'm making it too big of a moment. But no,
Speaker 10: I mean, I would say this morning, but I would
Speaker 10: love to win a game, not by the very last play.
Speaker 1: He's gotten used to it, and they are so good
Speaker 1: at doing that. They have won thirteen straight one score games.
Speaker 1: That is one away from the all time NFL record.
Speaker 1: Before moving on, let's show that next gen spray chart
Speaker 1: of Bryce Young and let's hear about his day against
Speaker 1: a really good defense. I love seeing that he's pushing
Speaker 1: the ball and completing passes all over the field. It's
Speaker 1: not all right near the line of scrimmage. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of plus ten intermediate throws, a few down the
Speaker 1: field against the Blitz's numbers against the Blitz Patrick were fantastic.
Speaker 3: Now and they were and then we talk about the injuries, right,
Speaker 3: So that's with David Moore getting ten of those targets,
Speaker 3: Adam Thielen gets foured, Xavier Lagett has six of them,
Speaker 3: including one where Xavier Lget did the Xavier Worthy thing,
Speaker 3: did the receiver that we were mentioned earlier for the
Speaker 3: Ashton Doolan thing where he doesn't make the play along
Speaker 3: the sideline but has the space to do so. Where
Speaker 3: you turn the clock back a few weeks, and this
Speaker 3: is Bryce Young is completely non viable, right, This is
Speaker 3: not a quarterback that's ever going to amount to anything
Speaker 3: in the NFL. And then we see moments like this
Speaker 3: which are kind of reminiscent to late season last year
Speaker 3: where Bryce had solid starts, including that game against Green
Speaker 3: Bay late where he foes for three hundred yards. Here
Speaker 3: it's two sixty three, and not to not to standard
Speaker 3: to cape for the guy, but just to watch and
Speaker 3: consider the way that we evaluate young quarterbacks in the league,
Speaker 3: to perhaps pick different criteria to before we make declarative
Speaker 3: statements about the long term viability of any quarterback. This
Speaker 3: performance Brian Bryce Young again in a lot right, but
Speaker 3: a loss in which he got he tied the game
Speaker 3: in the final moments over against one of the best
Speaker 3: quarterbacks we've.
Speaker 1: Ever Yeah, I said, the key for him right now
Speaker 1: is just being able to do it consistently. That his
Speaker 1: games before the buye showed he can do it, because
Speaker 1: they have absolutely changed this offense around. I give Canalis credit,
Speaker 1: but I give Bryce Young the most credit, and he
Speaker 1: is changing his career now because if he can continue
Speaker 1: this type of play down the stretch, he will be
Speaker 1: their starter next year and they will really have something
Speaker 1: to build off. It is eleven for fourteen for one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five yards and a touchdown against the
Speaker 1: Blitz and hit nine throws over ten air yards today.
Speaker 1: That not saying he's Anthony Richardson quite yet, but he
Speaker 1: was pushing the ball down the field. You know who
Speaker 1: isn't doing that too much lately is to a tongue
Speaker 1: of Ioloa. But my god, is he playing quarterback?
Speaker 5: Well? After the break, we are gonna hear the man
Speaker 5: in Miami.
Speaker 3: Second and eight from Miami's Dolphins from the twenty three
Speaker 3: following the turnover right running.
Speaker 2: Back back back to him to.
Speaker 5: Walla Walla touchdown. Miami, what a run by Walla.
Speaker 2: That's what you do.
Speaker 8: When somebody turns the ball over, you go down and
Speaker 8: you score them.
Speaker 1: Dolphins did a lot of that on Sunday, Jimmy Seppalo
Speaker 1: and Joe Rose for WBGG. Jalen Wattles twenty three yard
Speaker 1: touchdown part of a thirty four to fifteen victory for
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. One thing I really respect about this Dolphins
Speaker 1: team lately, Nick, is they're not messing around.
Speaker 5: It's one sided.
Speaker 1: They're winning the game early, they're keeping it going, and
Speaker 1: they're they're letting no doubt who's the better team here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the final score of thirty four to fifteen,
Speaker 4: it wasn't even that close, guys.
Speaker 7: It was thirty one to nothing.
Speaker 4: Late third, it was twenty four to nothing just before halftime.
Speaker 4: The Patriots had one drive of relevance and then the
Speaker 4: Dolphins just took him behind the woodshed I mean, just
Speaker 4: pass after pass, Jayalen Waddle hooking up with two on
Speaker 4: Tonguo Iloa. They're racking up one hundred and forty four yards.
Speaker 4: The offense looked the closest it's looked to the previous
Speaker 4: versions of the Dolphins.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, ty twenty.
Speaker 4: Three, twenty twenty two that it has all year, and
Speaker 4: I know it's the Patriots. I know it's not a
Speaker 4: great measuring stick or a litmus test, but it was
Speaker 4: the first time after seeing them take everything underneath in
Speaker 4: the week, you know, the week prior. Now they're opening
Speaker 4: it up and tuas drop it back and dropping dimes
Speaker 4: intermediate level. He's looking deep a couple of times. He's
Speaker 4: got easy touchdown passes to Devon h Chan. Everything worked
Speaker 4: for them. Don't look at it as a measuring stick again,
Speaker 4: because it's the Patriots, but it is a very encouraging
Speaker 4: sign for a team that at five and six needs
Speaker 4: to become this type of offense.
Speaker 7: First time I've seen it all year. Great day for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't want to go too crazy because I
Speaker 1: had checked out, like the ad out for this game
Speaker 1: and it was it was still only five point six
Speaker 1: yards for Tua, but it's good to hear that he
Speaker 1: did have a few more throw down the field and
Speaker 1: he's getting rid of the ball so quickly two point
Speaker 1: three to four average time to throw, and some of
Speaker 1: those do go down the field.
Speaker 5: They're just tough to deal with.
Speaker 1: Wattle, according to Mike McDaniel, has made a lot of
Speaker 1: progress this year, even though he hasn't been getting as
Speaker 1: many targets, so it's nice to see that rewarded eight
Speaker 1: for one forty four in a touchdown.
Speaker 5: John new Smith has another big day.
Speaker 1: John new Smith revenge game and he is a big
Speaker 1: on fire. He's a big part of their offense because
Speaker 1: they use so much twelve personnel, which is with two
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field, and he's really turned into
Speaker 1: their third down, middle of the field third receiver that
Speaker 1: they used to try to get out of a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but he's really turned into that player for them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he absolutely has.
Speaker 4: It's really what it's been his run after catching, situational
Speaker 4: playmaking like in the red zone. They love to go
Speaker 4: to him in a number of different ways, whether it
Speaker 4: could be a litt dump off screen or it's something
Speaker 4: where it's a quick pass like he's a weapon and
Speaker 4: he can be a weapon beyond that, he had that
Speaker 4: long touchdown catch last week where he caught the ball
Speaker 4: and nobody was there and he ran off to the
Speaker 4: end zone for a touchdown.
Speaker 7: This is of have been who he's been.
Speaker 4: This is who he was supposed to be when he
Speaker 4: signed with the Patriots after he left Tennessee and he
Speaker 4: never really became that guy, and he's really filling that
Speaker 4: void that they needed it tight End since they basically
Speaker 4: let Mika Sicki walk and he never quite filled that
Speaker 4: void anyway for them. So this is he's kind of
Speaker 4: like a Gerald Everett comp I think, but more productive
Speaker 4: obviously than ever it's been in his last couple stops.
Speaker 7: And it's really helped the.
Speaker 4: Rest of their offense flourish because Tua, like you said,
Speaker 4: the A dot is not super deep, right, But at
Speaker 4: the same time, you have so many different options beyond
Speaker 4: the receivers, Like we're not seeing them hit Tyreek for
Speaker 4: fifty yard bombs right now, right, But because you have
Speaker 4: the tight End involved, you can then survey the entire food.
Speaker 4: They have many different options and it's just it's worked
Speaker 4: out better for them. And again it's only the Patriots,
Speaker 4: but if they're going to get on.
Speaker 1: A run, the Patriots have been competitive the last few weeks.
Speaker 1: It's the best anyone's handled the Patriots in a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wasn't even close, as you guys mentioned,
Speaker 3: and I think that the overall the big difference other
Speaker 3: than Tua being there and then being allowed to run
Speaker 3: this offense that we've seen for the past few years
Speaker 3: is it's always putting defenders in conflict. And the interesting
Speaker 3: conflict that I saw today was Christian Gonzales being in
Speaker 3: his zone and leaving Tyreek Hill to go to John
Speaker 3: hu Smith and ultimately the ball gets to Tyreek Hill
Speaker 3: and like, this is the world we're in in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four where Tyreek Hill is having covered drawn away
Speaker 3: from him by John hus Smith. It's just the kind
Speaker 3: of bind that this offense can be. And when everybody's
Speaker 3: making plays, when a Chan's out, why Jalen Wattle has
Speaker 3: his best game all season long. That comes today where
Speaker 3: I was wondering what the injury concerns were. I'm going
Speaker 3: and looking at Jalen Waddle's next Gen stats performance to
Speaker 3: see what the speed drops off. No real difference in
Speaker 3: that capacity today, just having the production to go with it.
Speaker 3: With ah Chan and John Husmith and Waddle all operating
Speaker 3: around the line of scrimmage very well. That there's just
Speaker 3: too much to deal with if you can't get pressure
Speaker 3: onto it.
Speaker 1: We don't have a Quarterback Island meeting until a week
Speaker 1: from Tuesday because of the Thanksgiving week. The schedule is
Speaker 1: a little different just in case you guys were curious,
Speaker 1: but I'll just put it out there now. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tua needs to be on that island less something crazy changes.
Speaker 1: He is playing quarterback at the extremely high level. McDaniel
Speaker 1: thinks he's taken a big step too since coming off
Speaker 1: that injury.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that he's playing the best football of his
Speaker 1: entire career.
Speaker 5: And now the defense.
Speaker 1: You know, we had Anthony Weaver on the show and
Speaker 1: we talked about like that front that they have. They're
Speaker 1: getting done, not just with Stealer and Klays Campbell, Chop
Speaker 1: Robinson has been killing it in terms of their pass
Speaker 1: rush win rate. He had one and a half sacks today,
Speaker 1: a bunch of quarterback hits. And I know that the
Speaker 1: offensive line for the Patriots isn't great, but the game
Speaker 1: slowing down for the quarterback and the defense coming along,
Speaker 1: this is a dangerous team. Even at five and six.
Speaker 1: I'd feel better about them in the NFC, but they
Speaker 1: have a really interesting Thanksgiving games shook and if you
Speaker 1: can get the defense married up to the offense, I
Speaker 1: think they can be anyone including the Packers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Chopping think's gonna be a huge part of it.
Speaker 4: He's got three and a half sacks over his last
Speaker 4: four games. It seems like, like you said, the game
Speaker 4: is slowing down for him.
Speaker 5: He had eight.
Speaker 4: Pressures today on twenty six pass rushes here, the fifth
Speaker 4: highest pressure rate by any player in a game this season.
Speaker 4: That is the opposite of hitting the rookie wall. That
Speaker 4: is somebody finally settling in and coming through in a
Speaker 4: big spot because you know, remember they lost Jalen Phillips
Speaker 4: to injury. Again, he's got to be in there and
Speaker 4: make a difference. Him Steeler and even Emmanuel Augba on
Speaker 4: the opposite side. You got Kalays Campbell as well. That's
Speaker 4: kind of a sneaky, interesting front and they can tie
Speaker 4: that together. Then again they can go on that run.
Speaker 5: And he concerns about Drake may in this performance.
Speaker 1: I was hearing some Buzzy played well in the second half,
Speaker 1: but until this team sounded like they were a mess.
Speaker 4: It was garbage time stuff for him. The first drive
Speaker 4: was good, like he looked like he has for the
Speaker 4: last month. He's gonna be the guy like he's fine.
Speaker 4: He's playing on an island, speaking of quarterback island, He's
Speaker 4: playing on an island like he's just not being supported.
Speaker 4: He had no time to throw for much of this game.
Speaker 4: It was just a really rough go for the entire offense,
Speaker 4: not just him. They didn't run the ball well until
Speaker 4: the second half. They didn't do anything well until the
Speaker 4: second half when the game was already out of hand.
Speaker 4: Not concerned about him. Just a bummer that you don't
Speaker 4: get to see him make some highlight plays like we
Speaker 4: have in recent weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to see Drod Mayo show some
Speaker 1: consistency out of his defense.
Speaker 5: As a coach.
Speaker 1: I think they've underperformed more defense than on offense this year,
Speaker 1: which I would not have expected coming into the season.
Speaker 1: I know there's been a lot of injuries, but a
Speaker 1: lot of sloppy play giving up a lot of big plays.
Speaker 5: They are at three and nine. The Dolphins have won
Speaker 5: three straight. It's almost more annoying how unprepared Mike McDaniel
Speaker 5: had his team for the backup quarterback situation. This is
Speaker 5: absolutely a playoff team when Tua is on the field,
Speaker 5: and they might get there, but it's gonna be tougher
Speaker 5: because those Broncos they're not going away. Let's go to
Speaker 5: Vegas first.
Speaker 2: In goal Denver at the two.
Speaker 9: That bringing Nims in motion, Knicks design role to the right,
Speaker 9: throws back to the azel.
Speaker 6: Pass taught Courtland Sutton touchdown Denver beat to Cameron Richardson.
Speaker 5: Sutton his second touchdown reception of the game, his.
Speaker 2: Fifth of the season, and with five point thirty left
Speaker 2: in the fourth it's.
Speaker 3: Now Denver twenty five, Las Vegas sixteen.
Speaker 1: Courtlandton is outstanding football player, a receiver, a catcher of
Speaker 1: the football.
Speaker 5: Yes, this man is excellent at his craft.
Speaker 1: Our friend Chris Westling recognized it right away that this
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton is going to be one of.
Speaker 5: The best receivers in the league.
Speaker 1: And he was had that injury and it's so great
Speaker 1: to see him have this second life a little bit
Speaker 1: with Russ and now it's happening for him with Bownicks
Speaker 1: twenty nine to nineteen. That was Dave Logan KOA. Broncos
Speaker 1: fall behind early Patrick, but they did what good teams do.
Speaker 1: They just kept climbing back and they end up winning
Speaker 1: somewhat comfortably.
Speaker 3: Yes, comfortably, and erasing the Raiders really in the second
Speaker 3: half where they go into the break down, they only
Speaker 3: had those four possessions. The Raiders had long slow, drawn
Speaker 3: out possessions. They limit the Broncos to field goals. But
Speaker 3: then in the second half that Broncos defense really kicks
Speaker 3: things in. Gardner Minshew has hit going to be out
Speaker 3: for the remainder of the season, where he goes down
Speaker 3: on his non throwing shoulder. It's a broken collarbone. Tough
Speaker 3: to see that happened for Gardner Minshew, who played well
Speaker 3: in spots in this game. Desmond Ritter comes in immediately
Speaker 3: turns the ball over. There was but over on the
Speaker 3: other side. Max Crosby played well, had some tackles for losses.
Speaker 3: He got a sack of bow Knicks, but really just
Speaker 3: a rookie quarterback and a coach and a play caller
Speaker 3: who trusts him. They didn't straight from the game plan
Speaker 3: at all. Not a lot of rushing to speak of.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: Hill McLoughlin led the team with forty four yards, but
Speaker 3: John Payton trusts bow Nicks to make plays, and make
Speaker 3: them he did with the aforementioned Courtland Sutton. Those two touchdowns,
Speaker 3: including the one that we heard there at the start,
Speaker 3: just a good division win, pulling away from a team
Speaker 3: that they're better than.
Speaker 1: No, he just hates fantasy owners, although I guess it
Speaker 1: wasn't his fault that Javonte Williams went negative two yards
Speaker 1: on eight carries.
Speaker 5: That's a rough one.
Speaker 1: Two catches for six yards estimate goes for fifteen yards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like nothing on the ground, and then they find a
Speaker 1: way to win and that throw a knicks that from
Speaker 1: Nick to Sutton. He's really trusting his receivers. He doesn't
Speaker 1: look as good when he's under pressure what rookie quarterbacks do.
Speaker 1: But Sutton eight for ninety seven and those two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: and Devon Vailey's turned into a real two. Sean Payton man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if when people say, well, he should
Speaker 1: be in the mix for Coach of the Year, sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means because Coach of the
Speaker 1: Year you can only vote for one guy. So I
Speaker 1: don't think he's in the mix to be one guy.
Speaker 1: But if you were putting voting three guys, he's in
Speaker 1: the mix to be one of the three guys. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's really impressive Nick, what they're doing. And he said
Speaker 1: something very smart, I think after the game, not that
Speaker 1: I need to tell him he smart. He said, even
Speaker 1: the elite teams, they probably only really have it, like thirteen,
Speaker 1: fourteen times a year. And what can What he was
Speaker 1: saying there is that they maybe didn't totally have it today,
Speaker 1: but that the elite teams, the good teams, they find
Speaker 1: ways to maybe win on the days where they don't
Speaker 1: really have it, and maybe to his eye, they didn't
Speaker 1: totally have it for a chunk of this game, and
Speaker 1: then they got themselves together and they got a really
Speaker 1: important win. They're all gonna be big now they're seven
Speaker 1: and five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they take care of business against a divisional opponent.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a big thing. There's many times
Speaker 4: in many games. We just saw it twice this week
Speaker 4: where the last team, last place team in division beats
Speaker 4: the first place team in a division in a game
Speaker 4: that they shouldn't win. You know, Tennessee beating Houston and
Speaker 4: Cleveland beating Baltimore, and yet Denver doesn't fall victim to that.
Speaker 4: And that speaks to, you know, the job that Sean
Speaker 4: Payton has done, but especially what he's done with BONNICKX
Speaker 4: and I sound like a broken record at this point,
Speaker 4: but watching the way that they use him just it
Speaker 4: invigorates me because it gives me faith that coaches can
Speaker 4: coach to the strengths of their personnel and instead of
Speaker 4: trying to fit the personnel into their scheme. And that's
Speaker 4: exactly what he's done with all of these young guys
Speaker 4: like Troy Franklin's been up and down, but he's still
Speaker 4: part of the offense. Devon val is really coming on strong.
Speaker 4: And of course you have Courtland Sutton. The running game
Speaker 4: hasn't been there kind of for weeks really if you
Speaker 4: think about it, especially Javonte Williams, and yet they're still
Speaker 4: winning football games. They have a defense that's very good.
Speaker 4: We already know that. I'm very impressed. Would definitely put
Speaker 4: him in my top We should vote for like like
Speaker 4: nominees like the Heisman, give us like finalists.
Speaker 1: Right, they do bring three coaches there, but they just
Speaker 1: do it based on who had the most votes, and
Speaker 1: it's always a little weird because sometimes it's like a
Speaker 1: guy who didn't have any votes. So they should make
Speaker 1: it like MVP, where you put a ballot of three
Speaker 1: guys for every position, because it's just more exciting and
Speaker 1: more people get a little pop. And if bon Nix
Speaker 1: is now going like three for five on throws over
Speaker 1: twenty yards air yards, like he gets the credit, and
Speaker 1: Sean Payton gets a little credit. Steam's not going away, Patrick,
Speaker 1: and that's why we had him as our survivor.
Speaker 2: Pick about that.
Speaker 3: Yes, and we do just that, survive on a late push,
Speaker 3: trying to figure things out, trying to hold through the
Speaker 3: task given to us up by the listeners of this
Speaker 3: esteem show as well as the viewers over on you.
Speaker 5: We haven't missed one since we too or whatever.
Speaker 3: And that's following every rule, not picking the same team
Speaker 3: multiple times. We're going to accomplish the task ahead of us.
Speaker 1: Although I will say the team you really wanted to
Speaker 1: pick as a survivor was the Bucks and they sweated
Speaker 1: it even less, but either way, they got the w
Speaker 1: just like the Broncos. Before we move on to Sunday
Speaker 1: Night Football, we say goodbye to a man who has
Speaker 1: put more time in oh come on the desk than
Speaker 1: just about anyone, and who is going to be celebrating
Speaker 1: his birthday by the time anyone is listening to this podcast.
Speaker 5: So happy birthday, Patrick claybod Thank you, Greg.
Speaker 7: Thanks Happy birthday.
Speaker 4: I has known you for almost ten years. I didn't
Speaker 4: know that tomorrow is your birthday and that's on me.
Speaker 4: Happy birthday.
Speaker 1: It's on me not to have given you anything, oh
Speaker 1: other than just like a thirty second little happy birthday,
Speaker 1: which is kind of the standard industry gift on shows.
Speaker 5: But I give it to you, and I hope you
Speaker 5: have a nice day.
Speaker 1: Anything planned for other than taping Fantasy Live, anything outside
Speaker 1: of work.
Speaker 3: No, we were not able to corral our sitter who
Speaker 3: who's out of town. No, it's it's fine. I want
Speaker 3: to watch the game. I hope the Ravens win on Monday.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, my birthday present is the people that
Speaker 3: God has placed in my life.
Speaker 2: That includes all of you, guys. I'm spoiled Roden, So
Speaker 2: thank you for the birthday wishes.
Speaker 1: This is great, well said the host who can do
Speaker 1: it all the birthday man, Lamar Jackson. I didn't get
Speaker 1: Patrick a birthday present. You better give him a birthday present.
Speaker 1: Let's go to sofa.
Speaker 12: It is third down and five. Barkley Beckham hurts and
Speaker 12: the pistol with Barkley behind him. What if Betty gives
Speaker 12: it to Barkley, he gets it to Barkley, who cuts outside.
Speaker 12: He's at the forting.
Speaker 2: He's gonna go again.
Speaker 5: He's gonna go again.
Speaker 6: Touchdown, Shake, Barkley his old time record sevalty two yards.
Speaker 2: How good is that guy?
Speaker 5: How good is this guy?
Speaker 6: His total now fifty five yards rushing on the night, That.
Speaker 7: Is an all time Agles record.
Speaker 1: Meri Reethe and Mike Quick on WIP in Philadelphia doing
Speaker 1: a lot of my work for me, telling me what
Speaker 1: the records are. On the night they also broke a
Speaker 1: record three hundred and two yards from scrimmage. Saquon Barkley. Man,
Speaker 1: It's like, which seventy yard rushing touchdown in the second
Speaker 1: half are.
Speaker 5: We gonna choose as our highlight. We had a couple options.
Speaker 1: The first play of the third quarter and then the
Speaker 1: one that sealed it thirty seven to twenty. Eagles get
Speaker 1: it done another week, Nick where they just leaned on
Speaker 1: the opponent and leaned on the opponent. They were actually
Speaker 1: trailing with under two minutes to go in the first half,
Speaker 1: seven to six, and by the end of the game,
Speaker 1: it just felt like, what, why did I think the
Speaker 1: Rams could even compete in this one? All these teams
Speaker 1: end up looking soft by the end of sixty minutes
Speaker 1: against these bruisers in Saquon Barkley, You.
Speaker 4: Know I don't, actually, yes, I do revel in being
Speaker 4: able to say this, even if I've said it many times.
Speaker 4: It starts in the trenches, baby, and that is exactly
Speaker 4: where the Eagles won on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: I mean that we saw how often Matthew Stafford was
Speaker 4: under duress, Milton Williams having a couple of really nice
Speaker 4: snaps there in the second half. You know what Jalen
Speaker 4: Carter brings to the table, But really it's the offensive
Speaker 4: line of the Eagles that blocks it up so well
Speaker 4: that Saquon Barkley has a hole wide enough for two.
Speaker 7: Mac trucks to run through.
Speaker 4: I mean, that was perfection when it comes to blocking,
Speaker 4: and they just they won the battle up front. They
Speaker 4: were able to put away the Rams with ease. This
Speaker 4: offense is humming, this defense is playing really well together.
Speaker 4: I hate to say it because I feel like I'm
Speaker 4: sounding hyperbolic, but I'm going to say it. The Eagles
Speaker 4: are one of the best teams in football, and they're
Speaker 4: going to be right there in Super Bowl contention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you know they're they're in the NFC. So
Speaker 1: not nine and two, seven game winning streak is not
Speaker 1: enough for the one seed. I guess it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: in the AFC either. The difference is after Washington's loss
Speaker 1: on Sunday, they're up three in the lost column and
Speaker 1: the division feels very much in their pocket, and they
Speaker 1: know they're gonna almost certainly be the one or the
Speaker 1: two seed. In some ways, you'd almost rather be the
Speaker 1: Eagles than the Lions, because the Lions have one team
Speaker 1: just one game back. You got another team a couple
Speaker 1: games back in the Packers, and so they really have
Speaker 1: more work to do to keep and to get that
Speaker 1: one seed. But that's talking down the road right now.
Speaker 1: What they are doing consistently and getting better each and
Speaker 1: every week is so impressive. I'm glad you mentioned the
Speaker 1: line play on both sides because going into this game,
Speaker 1: I thought, what a big test for this Rams defensive line,
Speaker 1: which has been great all year, but they've mostly been
Speaker 1: great getting to the passer, and they had a couple
Speaker 1: of decent press his fist had a big sack early
Speaker 1: in the first half, but the pressure rate on Hurtz
Speaker 1: was not that high. On his twenty two passes, the
Speaker 1: key number to me is just twenty two. He's just
Speaker 1: not needing to throw the ball that much. He scrambled
Speaker 1: a few times ended up rushing the ball twelve times
Speaker 1: if you count the kneel downs at the end and
Speaker 1: in the running game, the Rams just held on for
Speaker 1: a while. If you actually look at the success rate
Speaker 1: and the run stuffs, then the Eagles actually had a
Speaker 1: decent amount of negative runs in this game. They're pretty
Speaker 1: close between the two teams, but the difference is Kyron
Speaker 1: Williams never pops a big one, and at the end
Speaker 1: of the first half you kind of felt like, saquad
Speaker 1: oh man, he almost like broke that for thirty, but
Speaker 1: he got seven. Oh Saquon like almost got a big one,
Speaker 1: but he got thirteen. And then literally the first play
Speaker 1: of the second half he hits that long one and
Speaker 1: after that there's just no margin for error. The Rams
Speaker 1: offense would have needed to be perfect tonight. It was
Speaker 1: really the Eagles dot offense that was only stopped one time.
Speaker 1: I mean there was a punt early and other than that,
Speaker 1: it was the weird sequence at the end of the
Speaker 1: first half, which I guess they get stopped on downs,
Speaker 1: but other than that, like that was it. You have
Speaker 1: to play almost perfect right now against this Eagle's rushing attack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to take it back to the line play
Speaker 4: because I think while Saquon's having a career year and
Speaker 4: everything else, they are hand in hand, like one does
Speaker 4: not happen without the other. And if you look at
Speaker 4: this starting five, I have to tip my cap again
Speaker 4: to Hollie Rosen because let's go or yeah, left to right,
Speaker 4: Jordan Malatta. They get him to the National Player program.
Speaker 4: You got Landon Dickerson. That's a former draft investment who
Speaker 4: was a top guard coming out of his class. Cam Jurgens,
Speaker 4: who they drafted two three years ago to replace Kelsey
Speaker 4: who they had Jason Kelcey. Tell them to draft who's
Speaker 4: been killing it. Then you go to the right guard.
Speaker 4: You got Makai Beckden. This is why we all know
Speaker 4: what Lane Johnson is. I'm not gonna spend any time
Speaker 4: in him. McKai Beckton, the guy that we all said, oh,
Speaker 4: look at the athleticism at the draft. Look at his
Speaker 4: forty times. That's incredible for somebody that side to move
Speaker 4: like that. He plays tackle, he gets hurt multiple times.
Speaker 4: His career in New York never works. They move him
Speaker 4: to guard. He might be one of the biggest guards
Speaker 4: outside of Daniel file Lele in NFL history, and he's
Speaker 4: moving baby, they can pull them. They pulled him on
Speaker 4: that play for Saquon in that last touchdown run. This
Speaker 4: is one of the best starting fives in the NFL.
Speaker 4: They can do everything that you asked them to do.
Speaker 4: Every blocking scheme and an approach is available to them.
Speaker 4: You have a home run hitter at running back in
Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley. You have an experienced quarterback who is a
Speaker 4: dynamic threat in Jalen Hurts. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 4: you also have Aj Brown and Devonte Smith when he's
Speaker 4: available in that receiving corps as well. It's one of
Speaker 4: the more complete offenses in the NFL. But again, it
Speaker 4: starts up front. And that's why I think every team,
Speaker 4: like I just was sitting back dreaming of like Lions
Speaker 4: Eagles NFC championship game or let's.
Speaker 1: Get yes, that would be an awesome game. We have
Speaker 1: a long time until we get there. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: mentioned AJ Brown. I keep saying that he's the most
Speaker 1: valuable wide receiver I believe to his team in the
Speaker 1: entire NFL. I think tonight's matchup between him and Puka,
Speaker 1: they're very similar. AJ Brown goes six for one oh
Speaker 1: nine and the Rams didn't really have much of an
Speaker 1: answer for him late in the first half, and now
Speaker 1: he's healthy enough where he's getting a lot of yards
Speaker 1: after the catch, so he was bodying some of the
Speaker 1: smaller RAMS defensive backs, but then also picking up an
Speaker 1: extra ten to fifteen. He goes six for one oh nine,
Speaker 1: and their next leading receiver other than Saquan who is
Speaker 1: becoming a bigger part of the passing game too, their
Speaker 1: next leading receiver was god It four for nineteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't really have secondary receivers when Devonte Smith is
Speaker 1: out like tonight, and maybe that could be a bit
Speaker 1: of an issue. God It's fine, they didn't need him tonight,
Speaker 1: but it just shows what a dominant player AJ Brown is.
Speaker 5: Very similar.
Speaker 1: On the other side, Puka Akua goes nine for one
Speaker 1: to seventeen and I don't even think he's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent healthy. And until they found Cup for a garbage
Speaker 1: time touchdown with about a minute left, the numbers were
Speaker 1: very similar where there was no other Rams receiver anywhere
Speaker 1: over thirty yards. And that's where I stand with the Rams,
Speaker 1: which is they're a feisty, fun defense, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: get pushed around against like the best teams like an
Speaker 1: Eagles or Alliance.
Speaker 5: They're just not in that class.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're average slightly above average overall. Offensively they're good,
Speaker 1: but they're not great like they have been sometimes in
Speaker 1: the Stafford era. They're good, and they played a really
Speaker 1: tough Eagles defense, but the injury at right tackle where
Speaker 1: they haven't gotten Rob hen steinback. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on the right side. Brandon Graham is playing
Speaker 1: like a man ten years younger all season, so he's
Speaker 1: creating a lot of pressure. And then Milton Williams who
Speaker 1: you mentioned, and Jalen Carter on the inside, you know,
Speaker 1: matching up against Limmer and these younger and or just
Speaker 1: not great guards for the Rams. There were too many
Speaker 1: holes for Matthew Stafford to fill there. And Kyron Williams
Speaker 1: fumbles in the game once loses it in the red zone.
Speaker 1: You have to almost be perfect against this Eagles team,
Speaker 1: and just like a few too many flaws. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Rams are done by any means in this
Speaker 1: NFC West at five and six. But I also do
Speaker 1: think when I heard Chris Collins were say at the
Speaker 1: end of the game, you know, Sean McVay might not
Speaker 1: be that surprised by what's going on here. I'm like, hmm, wow,
Speaker 1: did he have a very realistic sit down with McVeagh
Speaker 1: before the game that, look, we maybe don't match up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to play our perfect game to beat
Speaker 1: this team. He kind of knows they are not at
Speaker 1: a true contention level and it would be foolish to
Speaker 1: think otherwise. And you know who who agrees with them?
Speaker 1: All the Eagles fans at SOFI tonight. That was next level.
Speaker 5: Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I mean, we know, we know how LA games can be.
Speaker 4: Even the Rams they felt their stadium more than Chargers
Speaker 4: fans do. But there are a lot of Eagles fans
Speaker 4: in LA. I'll tell you that. If you look at
Speaker 4: the remaining schedule for the Rams though, Like I agree,
Speaker 4: they're not at that true contention status, but they could definitely.
Speaker 4: I mean, they're obviously still in this NFC West race,
Speaker 4: and like they play at the Saints, they come home
Speaker 4: against the Bills, at at Jets, home against Cardinals the Seahawks.
Speaker 4: You get two division games in your last two and
Speaker 4: three in your last four. It's still a pretty workable schedule.
Speaker 4: Like I could see them figuring out and even if
Speaker 4: they split those, they finished like eight to nine, nine
Speaker 4: and eight, you might have an outside shot.
Speaker 5: They got a chance.
Speaker 1: But when you have a game like the Bills, for it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to have one that people don't see coming,
Speaker 1: an upset win. And they just got smoked by a true,
Speaker 1: real deal contender.
Speaker 5: Can they really beat the Bills?
Speaker 1: If you can't, then you're up to seven losses and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks the Cardinals, we'll see. It's gonna come down
Speaker 1: to the end. But I think we just showed the
Speaker 1: separation there. And yeah, Jordan Rodrigu was there said she
Speaker 1: hasn't heard the crowd quite like that, maybe for a
Speaker 1: road team. They actually were doing an in game segment
Speaker 1: down twenty seven to fourteen where they show misplaced fans,
Speaker 1: and I've seen this one where they show the jerseys
Speaker 1: of like random fans in the crowd that of not
Speaker 1: the teams that are at the game or whatever, and
Speaker 1: things funny, and sometimes they were showing Rams fit. You know,
Speaker 1: they showed like a Rams person and the entire Eagles
Speaker 1: crowd is booing the hell out of Rams fans. So
Speaker 1: that's a tough spot for the Rams. On Sunday, night.
Speaker 1: Just ultimately not good enough on either line, and the
Speaker 1: Eagles are getting it done seven straight victories. Shookie, it
Speaker 1: was a pleasure. We will be back on Monday Night
Speaker 1: fun game. I think the Chargers have a better chance
Speaker 1: at least to pull the upset as an LA underdog
Speaker 1: on Monday Night.
Speaker 11: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I would agree, And speaking of most valuable receivers, most
Speaker 4: valuable podcast host Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know where you're getting at.
Speaker 7: But most efficient runner Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Definitely not efficient. Frequent podcasts for sure. We will be
Speaker 1: back again to recap that Ravens Charges game. Really looking
Speaker 1: forward to that. Man when Saquon Barkley is breaking records.
Speaker 1: He already has his all time mark for rushing yards
Speaker 1: in a season.
Speaker 5: You know, football is back.
Speaker 1: We'll see you Monday Night.