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Speaker 3: Well, the captain of the ship is not here today
Speaker 3: on Christmas Eve. So I got the big boss, I
Speaker 3: got the I got the rudder myself and with us
Speaker 3: Everson Walls and Nate Newton in to help us.
Speaker 4: Nathaniel, thank you all, man. I'm glad to be here.
Speaker 4: I'm excited. Man, I'm just I got a prediction now,
Speaker 4: dream or fantasy, whatever you want to call it, that
Speaker 4: the Cowboys all the least signback fifteen of their free
Speaker 4: agent defensive player.
Speaker 3: Well, good, because we're gonna carry Jones talked about a
Speaker 3: bright future for this team the way some of the
Speaker 3: young guys have stepped up and played on this day.
Speaker 3: Bill Jones had to do a little family deal today
Speaker 3: and so we excused him for that. Nate says, that's
Speaker 3: a good thing. Yes, So we'll carry on here on
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys dot Com on a very rainy Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3: Anybody have to come in on a boat.
Speaker 4: M Oh no, not yet. I mean Rainy, don't bother me,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I can't get to you
Speaker 4: to give you your gifts.
Speaker 2: Oh no, this is a tough day. You know.
Speaker 5: Everybody's trying to get last minute shopping.
Speaker 6: Yes, right, and then the rain is just out there
Speaker 6: and I'm glad mine is done. It's good to have
Speaker 6: a good family that likes to get out there and
Speaker 6: shop for you. You just give them a card.
Speaker 2: Let him go do it.
Speaker 4: They give him a cart in and Hopeville. Soft budget, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you don't want you got a cat?
Speaker 2: Yes, you want? You want a hard budget.
Speaker 3: Well, there was a bunch of gifts in the locker
Speaker 3: room today. It looked like Dak Prescott's initials were on
Speaker 3: a bunch of but.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, sure need to go down. That's right. He
Speaker 2: could get you a gift.
Speaker 3: Troy used to get you something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can depend on that, Yes, sir, season man,
Speaker 2: you're gonna tell a couple of jokes man.
Speaker 3: Santa da right, Wow, did you guys have a Santa?
Speaker 2: No, we did not have at.
Speaker 3: That didn't start we were playing.
Speaker 2: We did not yea, he got a member. He forgets.
Speaker 6: Those old days, you know, they didn't have all the
Speaker 6: empathy and inclusion like they have today.
Speaker 3: And everybody didn't have shoe deals.
Speaker 5: Now we had shoes. They were horrible deals.
Speaker 2: We didn't treat it. They didn't treat it, but we would.
Speaker 6: We would wear the wrong shoe and and we spat
Speaker 6: our shoes and we draw the emblem on the side
Speaker 6: that that we.
Speaker 5: Were beholding to right.
Speaker 6: And usually, you know, if you were supposed to have
Speaker 6: ponies on, you know, you you put some Adidas on
Speaker 6: because the Adidas.
Speaker 2: Fit better ponies.
Speaker 5: People don't know what. So we drawed a little pony
Speaker 5: on the outside of it.
Speaker 2: They got it. They kind of got hip to that.
Speaker 3: And well, the guy that's been happening trouble with his
Speaker 3: shoes here of late is C. D.
Speaker 2: Lamb. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Wearing the right cleats or the right colors? He's getting fined?
Speaker 5: He yeah, wait, what do you mean the white colors?
Speaker 3: He'd been wearing those. I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: the color he was wearing those like, uh, bright green
Speaker 3: and uh. He said he kept getting fine that he
Speaker 3: had the wrong shoes on. They matched the uniform.
Speaker 5: That's what they have to mask them.
Speaker 3: Well that's what he said.
Speaker 2: Is that how it goes? Did you I guess? I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean I wish I had that my money just
Speaker 2: give way tonight for your charity charity saying thank you.
Speaker 2: He needs some ride off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he definitely used to use some right offs this year,
Speaker 5: but I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Well they have.
Speaker 5: You know it's in basketball, you could you could do that.
Speaker 2: Right wear whatever you want.
Speaker 4: I just hope we paid Chance and Gohlsen enough where
Speaker 4: he can get him a shoe deal and get paid enough.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm bro I'm stuck on that. I've been
Speaker 4: stuck on that for like three weeks now. Watkins, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I need him back, Kendricks another year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need him back.
Speaker 4: I need I need I need players. Man, I'm hurting
Speaker 4: bad man. I don't want to. I don't want this
Speaker 4: name to come down to the last five seconds every
Speaker 4: game where you know, heart attack about to come on.
Speaker 5: Okay, so let me ask you this. We need to
Speaker 5: keep these players.
Speaker 6: Yes, we talk about how we got the big players,
Speaker 6: the big the big money, just a couple of guys,
Speaker 6: and we've got all these guys down here that.
Speaker 2: We really need.
Speaker 6: We could just tie these guys in and make it
Speaker 6: continue with the motivation and the the momentum that they've
Speaker 6: had so far. Do they still do this thing where
Speaker 6: you can as a player, if I'm DAK, if I'm CD, like,
Speaker 6: hey takes some of my money and take care of
Speaker 6: the rest of the guys.
Speaker 5: Well, is that something.
Speaker 6: That we talk about, that the true problems what you
Speaker 6: can have, what you can do, and they will do
Speaker 6: it with DA's press.
Speaker 3: I mean it's already in his contract. The mechanism probably
Speaker 3: with CDs that you basically pay them a restructure bonus.
Speaker 3: So whatever their base salary is, you say, okay, here's
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars and then we'll reduce the base salary
Speaker 3: and spread the thirty million over the rest of the contract.
Speaker 3: But what happens now is if you keep putting those
Speaker 3: voided years at the end, like adding like they did
Speaker 3: for Zach Martin, when you get to the end, and
Speaker 3: if he doesn't play next year or they don't sign
Speaker 3: him to an extension, if he retires, he's gonna cost
Speaker 3: seventeen million dollars. So at some point that money catches
Speaker 3: up to you on a salary cap, but they're not
Speaker 3: giving anything up.
Speaker 5: They're just getting.
Speaker 3: Their money instead. On one eighteenth of the season. You
Speaker 3: get it right now, right, and then whatever your base
Speaker 3: salary becomes, then you get paid over each week.
Speaker 5: So I'm sure that's what we're looking at.
Speaker 3: So that's what will happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all the Goldsts and guys like that.
Speaker 3: And providing that they don't reach free agency and somebody
Speaker 3: money whips them like they did Dante Fowler and Drance
Speaker 3: Armstrong because Armstrong and Chauncey kind of a little bit
Speaker 3: in the same boat, although Armstrong had more sacks.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what.
Speaker 4: If you don't sign these guys, If you don't sign
Speaker 4: these guys, you're gonna be trying to find guys street
Speaker 4: and you're gonna be trying to draft. We don't have
Speaker 4: twenty five draft choices. We don't have six or seven
Speaker 4: at the most right, So you have to, you know,
Speaker 4: go out and sign these guys because you don't you
Speaker 4: know who can play now, and you know who can't play,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have and you know, I understand if
Speaker 4: we were one and now I ain't talking about one
Speaker 4: player away because.
Speaker 2: Parsons, as great as he is.
Speaker 4: I don't think he can defeat five offensive linemen by himself.
Speaker 2: I just really don't try you better, has tried you better.
Speaker 4: It is the time to bump yourself up against the
Speaker 4: wall because these next three years are gonna be crucial
Speaker 4: because all you have is draft picks. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 4: if you're not gonna go out into free agency and
Speaker 4: spend some money in free agency. Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: argue with that, but this season cannot pass like seasons
Speaker 4: has passed saying.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're up against the cap.
Speaker 4: Okay, we just let this guy go to this guy
Speaker 4: team and they better and he's better.
Speaker 2: We let this guy go to this team, they better,
Speaker 2: and they in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: We can't continue to have that roll over at some
Speaker 4: point in some time, mister Jones and his group of guys,
Speaker 4: when I say, you know what, Fellas, I know he
Speaker 4: may be a little bit high, but we got to
Speaker 4: sign some of these guys because they have shown great promise.
Speaker 2: They have beaten some decent teams.
Speaker 4: This year that the Cowboys have and what is the
Speaker 4: reward for the fans being patient?
Speaker 2: You can't say to them up against the cap, gotta
Speaker 2: let the guy go, yeah, you can'not.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want to do without go
Speaker 3: over the cap?
Speaker 2: You can't? Yes, you can't. Know you can't. He may
Speaker 2: cast you a little bit old.
Speaker 7: First round drift, go over the cap, Go over the cap?
Speaker 7: I mean you not go over the cat up? No,
Speaker 7: you couldnot go over the carapa.
Speaker 5: Do we have a cap raising situation?
Speaker 3: Otherwise they start taking guys off your roster. Not only
Speaker 3: do they take now you're right, they'll go from the
Speaker 3: bottom and say, okay, you're five million over the cap.
Speaker 3: All right, this guy's making eight hundred thousand, he's out.
Speaker 3: This guy's making a million, he's out. And they just
Speaker 3: keep going and going until you're under the cap. If
Speaker 3: you don't do it yourself.
Speaker 4: They you know what, man, I don't think it's Jones,
Speaker 4: a tree and billion mult times.
Speaker 3: Not about his money.
Speaker 2: No, I ain't talking about ain't money. Let me finished. Ain't.
Speaker 2: I ain't talking about the money. I'm talking about his brain.
Speaker 4: This brain is smart enough to work this. He is
Speaker 4: the innovator of the cap. He the one started with
Speaker 4: the draft picks. He the one invented the car for
Speaker 4: the draft picks. So you can't tell.
Speaker 2: Me a man that smart. Can't figure out how we
Speaker 2: can out smart this man keep somebody place.
Speaker 6: He's making a profits while still losing Pretty damn.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about that. These kids done grow.
Speaker 4: We can't let and we can't can't let it happen.
Speaker 4: I mean, you need to go talk to mister Jones.
Speaker 3: There's a there, there's a market out there. You guys
Speaker 3: wanted free agency.
Speaker 2: No no, no, you did. You're dead.
Speaker 4: You can't tell me that Detroit Lions ain't swimming in
Speaker 4: deep waters. They got depth and they got front in
Speaker 4: top Baltimore. You you mean yeah, So I'm saying it
Speaker 4: can be done. I'm not saying that, uh, we'll all
Speaker 4: be around here with no teeth because they got to
Speaker 4: pull every teeth out of our head to make this happen.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about you.
Speaker 4: We got we smarted to get these Get some denters,
Speaker 4: some backup dentchers. Come on now, I'm giving mister Jones
Speaker 4: all the credit. I am saying that it's nowhere in
Speaker 4: the world that if we lose three a Chancey Watkins
Speaker 4: and then whoever else that third guy is. I don't
Speaker 4: even want to imagine losing Osa. He's just starting to
Speaker 4: find the sea legs.
Speaker 2: In this defense.
Speaker 3: Right, so I give you, got to keep some of them, guys,
Speaker 3: I give you, Okay, what if I give you, but
Speaker 3: I can't afford chancey.
Speaker 2: Okay, I go for that, all right, I go for that.
Speaker 3: That's the decisions they have. Yeah, so I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: just being realistic.
Speaker 2: I understand about you. Really, you really, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: say listic.
Speaker 4: I don't. I understand about you real I'm real, but
Speaker 4: I'm trying. I'm sorry, I derail you.
Speaker 2: Show him sorry now is exactly I wanted to hear.
Speaker 6: I just when we go, when we do our Q
Speaker 6: and A. Yeah, that's the first thing. The first question
Speaker 6: we get all the time is why aren't we better
Speaker 6: in free agency? So we start talking about teams that
Speaker 6: got better and somehow still surviving under the cap. Baltimore
Speaker 6: is one team. They've got many superstars on this team,
Speaker 6: many players that are contribute to that coach, especially on
Speaker 6: defensive end. Yet you're still able to keep your quarterback happy,
Speaker 6: You're still able to bring in some wide receivers, and
Speaker 6: of course you're still able to bring in Derek Henry.
Speaker 6: So you know, we always look at other teams and
Speaker 6: wonder how they're able to do it. And then we're
Speaker 6: over here singing the same song, and so you can
Speaker 6: imagine that's.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have to an Okay, so I've heard one
Speaker 4: of our top ce ols say, we draft them, we
Speaker 4: do velophant, and we resign them Stu.
Speaker 3: The resigning part, well the second quarter.
Speaker 2: So tell me this.
Speaker 3: You brought up Detroit who other than the quarterback and
Speaker 3: the defensive end who's now on injured reserves and the
Speaker 3: wide receiver which ride receivers making Simon Saint John Simont
Speaker 3: Mon whatever his name, Moan and Lease, Moan and Lisa
Speaker 3: signed what contracts he on?
Speaker 2: He's on a big soundtrack, I think, is he Look
Speaker 2: him up? Look him up? Now go out there. And
Speaker 2: they don't have Bill here.
Speaker 4: Brother, I'm telling you, is he making what CD is making? No,
Speaker 4: you don't have to make with CD's making. Well, I'm
Speaker 4: the thing that I'm trying to list you.
Speaker 2: I'm listening. I'm listening.
Speaker 4: I am listening with one ear and talking out of
Speaker 4: this big old mouth.
Speaker 2: Out the side of your mouth on the other. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me let me take my thay, Okay, go ahead
Speaker 2: on top of me. You see walls I'm make walls.
Speaker 2: Take me that, I'm making sure. There you go.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you said he's not making what CD is making. No,
Speaker 3: he's not well come because that helps their salary cap.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The thing is, so do you want CD or do
Speaker 3: you want uh Tobert being your number one receiver? The
Speaker 3: thing know, it ain't by the way he said, he
Speaker 3: it ain't.
Speaker 2: Do we need to go to a break? Let me
Speaker 2: let me help you. No break? Yeah, yeah, we got
Speaker 2: a break. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, Tolbert said, he hyper extending his pinky
Speaker 3: finger and the bone broke through the skin.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: Now, how do you hyper extend something and it comes
Speaker 3: through the skin?
Speaker 2: It had to come in. I come through. Did you
Speaker 2: come through the bottom.
Speaker 3: Or if it stands up one of your knuckles?
Speaker 2: Maybe? See that is the problem.
Speaker 4: You You done detoured these people off of free agency
Speaker 4: and signing back players like Toba.
Speaker 2: They're salivating. Yeah, I can't salivate from me. I can't
Speaker 2: from the shot.
Speaker 3: I can't talk free agency if you're not realistic.
Speaker 2: I'm being realistic.
Speaker 3: No, you're not all want sat Brown's contract? What four years,
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty million, okay, average thirty sick for
Speaker 3: sixteen point five.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just being out. I knew ye had signed
Speaker 2: a seven seven guaranteed.
Speaker 4: I knew he had signed to make I'm gonna help you,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm going and see. The thing that I
Speaker 4: don't like doing is if you have a model that
Speaker 4: has worked and nothing has been wrong with that model,
Speaker 4: now you you do you tweaked the model.
Speaker 2: Okay, for the.
Speaker 4: Last eight years, since we signed that cornerback a lot
Speaker 4: of years ago for a lot of money, we haven't
Speaker 4: signed a big name player.
Speaker 2: I'm with that.
Speaker 4: But if you choose not to go that route, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm one hundred percent with you. But when you draft
Speaker 4: a guy in the four for the sixth round and
Speaker 4: he turned out to be better, Now you see this coming,
Speaker 4: he's not strapped like a first rounder, you gotta figure
Speaker 4: out a way. Hey, this this dude coming like Chauncey.
Speaker 4: We didn't see this. No, I saw this that he
Speaker 4: could set an edge and be better than an average player.
Speaker 2: He's good. You gotta pay him.
Speaker 4: You got to find a way because if you had
Speaker 4: chance to go and and and I know OSA agents saying, boy,
Speaker 4: you started slow, but we rolling nine, so we don't
Speaker 4: know how that's gonna work out.
Speaker 3: All I told you, which one do you want?
Speaker 2: If they have to make a decision, give me both
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Well that's not what I asked.
Speaker 2: I understand what if I can?
Speaker 3: You will if Son number one wants this fancy car
Speaker 3: and you buy it for him, and son number two
Speaker 3: wants the same car and you go, sorry, can't afford it.
Speaker 4: We see Son number one is number eleven, so it's
Speaker 4: some number one gonna get the car son number two.
Speaker 2: Sign number two is osa you take what we give.
Speaker 2: See that's my point. He just made it right.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Team number three says, I'll pay you what Sun
Speaker 3: number one is getting.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. They ain't gonna do that.
Speaker 3: Okay, well you're hoping. All right, We're gonna continue this
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Speaker 3: And we continue here on mix Shots looking forward, and
Speaker 3: maybe we'll look forward to Sunday and the following Sunday,
Speaker 3: because there's still two games to play?
Speaker 2: Is there not two games for us to win?
Speaker 8: Me?
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm.
Speaker 3: Glad you said that, because it occurred to me that
Speaker 3: if they can get to nine and eight have a
Speaker 3: winning season, this would be four consecutive winning seasons.
Speaker 2: Wow, that'd be nice.
Speaker 3: The club record. We know you were part of the
Speaker 3: end of it. Yes, right, twenty straight nineteen sixty six
Speaker 3: through eighty five.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: The next longest you were part of ninety one through
Speaker 3: ninety six. So six straight, the next one two thousand
Speaker 3: and five through two thousand and nine. For five straight
Speaker 3: two thousand and five through nine would be parcels for
Speaker 3: two years, and Wade Phillips for the other three. Right,
Speaker 3: and four straight would be the next longest streak in
Speaker 3: club history.
Speaker 6: That's saying a lot considering what's been going on this season, right, would.
Speaker 3: If you could get to nine and eight, right, and
Speaker 3: so that's Nate's goal, win the next two games.
Speaker 4: This this thing to me is I've had a great year.
Speaker 4: I think that I saw this in training camp rebuild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm sticking to that and and I'm just happy.
Speaker 4: Every week I've asked almost every group podcast group, who
Speaker 4: is the next head coach? Because everybody wanted coach McCarthy
Speaker 4: going right now, I'm asking the same question now I'm
Speaker 4: getting from his head on roll. He won't see the
Speaker 4: sixth game of eight game to now if he can win,
Speaker 4: So it's a caveat now. So I'm like, you know what, Fellas,
Speaker 4: you either believe in this guy, you don't, right, I
Speaker 4: believe in coach McCarthy. Twelve and five man, yeah, teven five.
Speaker 4: I believe in him, and I think he should be
Speaker 4: here sign at a nice contract but a nice amount
Speaker 4: of years. They are developing players. He's taking this and
Speaker 4: put it back in mister Jones hands. He's taking his
Speaker 4: team and put it say you know, I miss Jones.
Speaker 4: Here you go choose who you want to sign. But
Speaker 4: you got to give me a little.
Speaker 6: Bit more this house because I actually have a team. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I actually have a team.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Everon, So when you mentioned the head coach, the two
Speaker 3: other consecutive winning seasons were spread over two coaches. Right,
Speaker 3: two thousand and five. We just said two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: ninety one through ninety six spread over two coaches. So
Speaker 3: the only other winning streak was one coach Tom Landry,
Speaker 3: that's right right right now. The next streak one coach
Speaker 3: is Mike McCarthy. If they get to nine and eight,
Speaker 3: and that's kind of got to be the goal. I
Speaker 3: think that's why you keep playing. That's why you're not saying, okay,
Speaker 3: we're we're gonna see what Trey Lance has to do.
Speaker 3: Jerry answered it today on his He basically they asked
Speaker 3: him that question and he says, the priority right now
Speaker 3: is what gives us the chance to be successful on
Speaker 3: the next play, the next series, the next quarter, the
Speaker 3: next game. And it's Cooper rush because they want to win,
Speaker 3: and I think they probably have an idea what Trey
Speaker 3: Lance is and they feel like that winning would be
Speaker 3: important going forward.
Speaker 2: Now, you guys, I.
Speaker 6: Think I think, considering where we are and considering what
Speaker 6: you have to I guess play with I would use
Speaker 6: Trey Lance a lot more in the ball game.
Speaker 3: So it's like, give him a series.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't give them a series.
Speaker 6: No, I would give him a play on a particular
Speaker 6: situation that arch manning pro cheat.
Speaker 5: I would do that.
Speaker 6: I would not. I would not give him. I would
Speaker 6: not give him consecutive plays. I might give him a
Speaker 6: play on a consecutive series if he needs to be
Speaker 6: you know, we're talking fourth and one. We're talking fourth
Speaker 6: and goal or third and one, something like that.
Speaker 2: So like a special package package.
Speaker 6: For him that that we know used to do the
Speaker 6: same thing with Cordel Stewart, right, just have a package
Speaker 6: just for him back in the day with Pittsburgh. So
Speaker 6: I could see them doing more of that, you know,
Speaker 6: just to kind of give him a little taste of
Speaker 6: what it's like to be part of this success because
Speaker 6: right now we're exhibiting some success that we weren't aware of.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush is handling that very well. So I think
Speaker 6: Trey getting a piece of that. I think that would
Speaker 6: make him feel better about what's was, he who he
Speaker 6: is going forward.
Speaker 3: So speaking of Cooper Rush, you want him back, want
Speaker 3: and back where here he's a free agent next year.
Speaker 4: It's two things that I've never changed and I would
Speaker 4: never change. I'm about winning and winning only.
Speaker 2: And Cooper Rush after that gives us the best chance
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 4: Uh. I'm with giving Trey Lance a package. Give him
Speaker 4: this package before the game, give him this package on
Speaker 4: a clipboard, and let him go through series through series
Speaker 4: and that's where he needs to stay because that's just
Speaker 4: where album you see. Because the bottom line is this
Speaker 4: right here in this league now.
Speaker 2: It ain't like when.
Speaker 4: We was coming through ever since where you could give
Speaker 4: players series because you wasn't going nowhere.
Speaker 2: You you you you wasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't care what you did. Everson raised all type
Speaker 4: of aide trade me, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 4: I need a new contract. Trade and they just smile
Speaker 4: at it.
Speaker 2: Okay, he'll get over it. Give us something now. Trey
Speaker 2: Lance is gone after this year. We did not take
Speaker 2: his fifth year option, did we No?
Speaker 3: Some teams when they paid them something, okay, and they finish.
Speaker 4: He's finnah leave on something, right, He's gonna leave on something.
Speaker 2: The god, the guy is gonna leave. And So if
Speaker 2: you believe that you prosper through this year.
Speaker 4: Of turmoil, these these these bad losses, these whoopings we've taken,
Speaker 4: these experiences these kids have went through, if you believe
Speaker 4: that you got a better term for next year, Trey
Speaker 4: Lance don't fit. I mean it's athletic ast. The kid
Speaker 4: is uh, it's great potential as he's he's had. And
Speaker 4: I'm an advocate of you gotta let him grow, but
Speaker 4: not right now.
Speaker 2: And see, every year that we hold off makes him rustier, rustier.
Speaker 4: And makes other talent come in saying well that Trey
Speaker 4: Lance was the thing of the past, and its value decreased.
Speaker 2: Its decreased.
Speaker 4: So you either got to put him in the game.
Speaker 4: See I'm not like you, Walls. You either want to
Speaker 4: put him in the game and let him play, or
Speaker 4: if he's gonna be a.
Speaker 2: Gadget play player, uh, let's say. Let's tell the world.
Speaker 2: Hey man, he's a gadget player for us, like number nine.
Speaker 4: Is like Duce Vaughan was supposed to be. So if
Speaker 4: he a gadget player, that's right. But if he is
Speaker 4: seriously a candidate as a quarterback on your team.
Speaker 2: You have to let him play.
Speaker 3: So by not letting him play, what is that that hurt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's telling me, you gotta tell a Wall. I
Speaker 2: don't want to see I don't want to see him.
Speaker 3: I think they're telling you what they say.
Speaker 2: I'm not listening. Man, If you don't, I don't care.
Speaker 3: So Everson really didn't have to go through this. But
Speaker 3: what did nineteen ninety two for your team? Going to
Speaker 3: ninety one? You finished seven to nine.
Speaker 4: Right, But you we was waiting for somebody else to
Speaker 4: help us to get into the playoff.
Speaker 3: You had some success at the end of the year
Speaker 3: until Troy got hurt. That's right, right, So did that
Speaker 3: success help carry over to ninety one?
Speaker 2: Yes it did, Yes it did.
Speaker 4: And once again different cecumstances called, wasn't nobody going nowhere?
Speaker 2: See you can build?
Speaker 4: Just think if there was no Sarah cap if ever
Speaker 4: sing them wouldn't have held out for guys to have
Speaker 4: more money.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just calling it.
Speaker 4: Listening you would yea, when it's held out, when these guys.
Speaker 2: Could prosper, we wouldn't.
Speaker 4: We'll be excited this nation, Cowboy Navs would be excited
Speaker 4: because just think if nobody was going nowhere.
Speaker 5: That was a coach's dream.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was a coaching dream, but players night there
Speaker 6: was a players nightmare though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because there wasn't for coaches dream.
Speaker 2: Coaches dream this team.
Speaker 3: It was almost like at least like college where you
Speaker 3: had four years to develop some right.
Speaker 5: Make who you wanted to screw over as a coach.
Speaker 4: This team could be loaded depending on who we signed,
Speaker 4: who we resigned, who you rec it's see and and
Speaker 4: I'm well aware of the Sarah cap and how you
Speaker 4: can't go over it. But I just say the mind
Speaker 4: of a mastermind of mister Jones, find the loophole, Stephen.
Speaker 6: And really that's really the when you have the best
Speaker 6: front office.
Speaker 2: Yes, is they make some things happen, Like the hell
Speaker 2: did they do that? Yes?
Speaker 5: So that's what everyone that's what everyone's crying for.
Speaker 3: And you can do it, but at some point you're
Speaker 3: gonna pay for it.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm knowing.
Speaker 4: If I'm seventy years old and things all that.
Speaker 6: Wait, wait, so what are the Rams worried about?
Speaker 2: They sold us soul and they paid for it and
Speaker 2: they got the Super Bowl though. All right, but but
Speaker 2: they're back in the hunt now.
Speaker 3: San Francisco sold their souls and look where they're at.
Speaker 2: Just now.
Speaker 3: Injury got eight Well excuse me, injuries may.
Speaker 2: Got us too, Yeah got them, they got us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the thing is the Rams soul they sold and
Speaker 2: was down for two years.
Speaker 6: That's why what if you but it worked, it's worth
Speaker 6: it if you may be down for two years.
Speaker 2: If you make it. If you make what if you
Speaker 2: would if you win it?
Speaker 4: If you win it ain't if with them they did it,
Speaker 4: and they were down and they back.
Speaker 3: Okay, they're probably one out of ten that pulled it off.
Speaker 2: Okay, make it win a new era.
Speaker 3: Okay. So you you're okay after winning that super Bowl
Speaker 3: that you don't have any more winning seasons for say
Speaker 3: four years?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You okay?
Speaker 2: I think that might be. I think I might be
Speaker 2: if you had won in twenty years.
Speaker 3: But what if you don't and you sold your soul?
Speaker 2: But you said last year or this year.
Speaker 4: I'm telling this right here, you have a better chance
Speaker 4: of setting out for a super Bowl than all of
Speaker 4: these smart people saying, hey, just lose and get first
Speaker 4: round picks for the next six years.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't you know?
Speaker 4: So, I mean it's it's Mick. Is is that what
Speaker 4: they call it? Six on one hand?
Speaker 2: Half do it's got a Which one would you like? Man?
Speaker 2: It's got to work. You know which one? I'm saying?
Speaker 3: What are the percentages of it working?
Speaker 2: Mick?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Mick, And you got a great point
Speaker 4: and a great altomy. But the question I'm asking you,
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Speaker 4: which way he would like to go the quick fix
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Speaker 3: At least in those sports money, well, yeah, this one
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Speaker 4: But the thing the only thing that works is what
Speaker 4: Will McLay has been trying to do, and let's find
Speaker 4: out what his coordinators and position coaches want in a
Speaker 4: player and try to present the best player before them.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: The only problem we have is this thirty one other
Speaker 4: teams trying to get those players.
Speaker 2: That's the only problem.
Speaker 3: Though right now, because I know you get tired of
Speaker 3: hearing people you know, lose.
Speaker 2: And get a better Drens. I ain't about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys right now would draft number fourteen.
Speaker 2: I don't care get the best player.
Speaker 3: So I'm saying at fourteen, there's a lot of teams
Speaker 3: that are a lot worse than the Cowboys are. So
Speaker 3: this idea about losing to help your draft choice, it's
Speaker 3: only going to be a couple of spots and ain't
Speaker 3: gonna make any difference.
Speaker 6: You know, they act like they act as if you
Speaker 6: only have so many good players out there in the
Speaker 6: well in the.
Speaker 3: First round my favorite tour guide.
Speaker 5: And so that's what I don't understand.
Speaker 6: It's like you can't get the first player, so then
Speaker 6: the whole season, the whole draft to shot.
Speaker 3: Give these people a hand. They came out in the
Speaker 3: rain to come to.
Speaker 2: How y'all doing. Y'all could have waited on a better
Speaker 2: day to come out here, man, but go ahead on ever.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't even know they.
Speaker 3: We were talking about draft choice?
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, is there only just one good draft choice
Speaker 6: in the first round?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 5: I mean, they kill me with this.
Speaker 6: The Chicago fans upset because they you know, they're not
Speaker 6: getting it was some team that was upset that they
Speaker 6: weren't getting the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 5: The first pick is the only good pick in the
Speaker 5: first round.
Speaker 3: Well, Carolina did that to get the first pick, and
Speaker 3: they gave up the first pick the next I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, man.
Speaker 6: It's so ridiculous to chase that that rainbow.
Speaker 2: And can I give you an example of what you
Speaker 2: just said?
Speaker 4: They the Bears four years ago, five years ago, got
Speaker 4: a top pick. They got rid of the quarterback, y'all.
Speaker 2: This year they got another top pick. I listened to
Speaker 2: the people's Chicago.
Speaker 4: They're upset not only with the coach, but the new
Speaker 4: coach and the quarterback.
Speaker 2: The new quarterback. I'm like, come on around here.
Speaker 4: I say, now, y'all, if we have a lot, if
Speaker 4: we traged coaches and we dota a and this this
Speaker 4: is this, I say, you know the system change. I say,
Speaker 4: are you, as an announcer, are a talking head gonna
Speaker 4: come on.
Speaker 2: And say, hey, y'all be patient.
Speaker 4: This is what you go through when you have a
Speaker 4: new defensive coordinator, a new offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: Y'all wanted you wanted this guy from this place. Well,
Speaker 2: he don't run the same system.
Speaker 4: So first of all, do you have the players that
Speaker 4: are smart enough and talent enough to so? I the
Speaker 4: question when I tell when I talk to people on
Speaker 4: the street, when I go to asking these questions, they
Speaker 4: won't they go from I watched the All twenty two
Speaker 4: intelligence and.
Speaker 2: Don't be ah, come on, man, think about what's what's
Speaker 2: transpiring here?
Speaker 6: You have you know what, let me be going, well,
Speaker 6: you know, let's let's what they want to happen. Is
Speaker 6: kind of like what happened back in eighty nine. Yes,
Speaker 6: just you know, sell the team. Well, of course not
Speaker 6: doing that, but you got an entirely new staff, entirely
Speaker 6: basically entirely new players.
Speaker 2: That that was. That was easy to do.
Speaker 6: Then, because first of all, we were only one in
Speaker 6: fifty well three and thirteen, three and thirteen that.
Speaker 2: That that no matter, it was more than we didn't get.
Speaker 3: Three seven and seven and eight went to seven and eight,
Speaker 3: seven and nine, seven and nine.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 6: And so you know it's easy to do that, then
Speaker 6: that that's warranted to do that then, because that's where
Speaker 6: we were.
Speaker 2: These guys seem to be rebuilding in the middle of
Speaker 2: a season. Yes, sir soft rebuild that's crazy.
Speaker 6: Yes, they're getting better as the chips are down, you know,
Speaker 6: when we still have emaciated uh roster.
Speaker 2: Yes, and so you know those kind of things. Can
Speaker 2: I stop you? Yeah? What's you lost?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 6: It wasn't e mascipatedd What does that mean?
Speaker 4: Because it's it stretched the balls? Yes, okay, geez it
Speaker 4: sounded like something terrible. Man mind and folks up against
Speaker 4: the walls up.
Speaker 3: He's the next Mark Jones, the guy that did the
Speaker 3: s m U game. How many big five words did
Speaker 3: he use? He used the word I think I've never
Speaker 3: heard in a football game.
Speaker 7: And I said, Okay, I know you've got a great vocabulary.
Speaker 2: Right, but the great vocabularies of the world. That's my listeners.
Speaker 2: So you're not I'm like, do you know this ain't
Speaker 2: Bill sitting over here anyway?
Speaker 6: Now that we know what that means, and I guess
Speaker 6: I said the correct. You know we have you know,
Speaker 6: we're not in the same position to.
Speaker 5: Where we can just strip the entire team, right.
Speaker 6: You know, Now you have to be very creative and
Speaker 6: you gotta be you gotta be smart strategic on who
Speaker 6: you keep and why you keep them and how you
Speaker 6: keep them.
Speaker 3: Okay, So having said that, and it is Christmas Eve,
Speaker 3: I want you guys to each give the Cowboys one
Speaker 3: present going forward.
Speaker 2: Keep Mike one.
Speaker 4: Keep Mike McCarthy, okay, ever since keep al has all right.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I'm with you on both of these, and
Speaker 3: my gift would be somebody that can lay hands on
Speaker 3: this team and get it healthy.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, right away, Brol be hard.
Speaker 3: We yet go upstairs and start up prayer grab because
Speaker 3: you know what, I watched these other games and when
Speaker 3: I see San Francisco playing, it's all about, well, they've
Speaker 3: had all these injuries this year. No one says that
Speaker 3: about this, and they don't.
Speaker 6: You sit here with a backup quarterback, right yeah, So
Speaker 6: it's obvious right there.
Speaker 3: You got a backup quarterback, You've got backups at defensive
Speaker 3: end this past game and it worked.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Two backups at linebacker.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying it seems emaciated.
Speaker 3: So the title for this show is going to be
Speaker 3: Amaziations of the Emaciation.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to say this right quickly.
Speaker 4: When we stripped down the team, or mister Jones them
Speaker 4: stripped down the team back in the day, the first
Speaker 4: two and a half years, all we heard was sending
Speaker 4: back to Miami, we don't need no dude from Arkansas.
Speaker 2: I mean we heard. I mean they was ripping mister Jones.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm like, hold on now, I was here
Speaker 4: when you wanted coach and Andrey out of here.
Speaker 2: Telling about the game is passing by.
Speaker 4: Fans are never going to be satisfied because they pay
Speaker 4: their money for winning, and I understand that, but understanding
Speaker 4: this right here, ownership.
Speaker 2: I've heard distillers say.
Speaker 4: This, and I heard the Ravens management teams say this,
Speaker 4: especially when Ozzie was with the Ravens. I don't draft
Speaker 4: according to what the fans need. I draft according to
Speaker 4: what this team needs to be better.
Speaker 2: Never draft.
Speaker 4: We don't care what the fans think, because the fans
Speaker 4: are going to.
Speaker 2: Be there when you turn this thing around. To win.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that's why. And I said this yesterday.
Speaker 3: I give the fans at that game Sunday night credit
Speaker 3: for the way they supported a team that just got
Speaker 3: four hours early eliminated for the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Hey, and that team gave them all they had, right,
Speaker 6: they were busting these guys, and they appreciated when they.
Speaker 5: Showed it on the field. They showed it on the.
Speaker 3: Field, and I think there's something to be said. They've
Speaker 3: been listening to me for those people.
Speaker 5: Right talking about talking about listening to.
Speaker 3: Him, ninety three thousands have done on this little stretch.
Speaker 2: Two things they've done.
Speaker 6: And you mentioned what time of possession right, and what
Speaker 6: I always mentioned, our penalties and mistakes.
Speaker 4: Have got down and no turnovers Brough and no turkes and.
Speaker 3: Mistake takeaways in bundles these last five games.
Speaker 5: So they've gone it started. It started with the time
Speaker 5: of possession.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that I'm just the only thing
Speaker 4: that I'm really just pointed in.
Speaker 2: About this season is partially said he has signed for thirdy.
Speaker 4: I don't know why Jerry and knocked his house kind
Speaker 4: of getting signed.
Speaker 12: Words are cheap right over, Hey, it's all years you
Speaker 12: said you said that I don't need forty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone heard, yes, well his age are probably just yeah,
Speaker 4: this kid not signing for a part.
Speaker 3: It's one thing and everybody jumped on it, and it's
Speaker 3: one thing to say it. That's another thing to do
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 4: I am so happy for this team, and I am,
Speaker 4: but y'all know, my only goal is all season. Don't
Speaker 4: tell me who we didn't sign. Tell me how many
Speaker 4: have we signed. That's the only thing I want to know.
Speaker 2: Get them back.
Speaker 3: That'll that will help the future. It'll help to get
Speaker 3: injured guys back, and you know the couple. There's no
Speaker 3: guarantees that it's all going to work out, you know,
Speaker 3: with the Marvi and overshown right. That's that's what I
Speaker 3: keep telling you what what what Trayvon Diggs, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, that's what I keep telling folks.
Speaker 3: That that and you know that.
Speaker 4: And we still got the kid we lost in training camp,
Speaker 4: Sam Williams. Sam Williams, we don't know is he still
Speaker 4: gonna have his explosiveness. That's why I continue to ruin
Speaker 4: everybody show, including mine, with this what I ruined y'all show?
Speaker 2: We today? Yeah, sign them back?
Speaker 3: Well you you hope you can, yes, and you hope
Speaker 3: those guys can come back and actually play the.
Speaker 2: Same thing if I get to Jersey sign them back.
Speaker 3: You know, there's no guarantee either. On now they think
Speaker 3: Dak will be fine. I'm worried, but there's no guarante.
Speaker 2: I am worried about that. Well.
Speaker 4: I saw him come out of the press box with
Speaker 4: all the coaches and he.
Speaker 2: Didn't have his cane and nothing. He was just he
Speaker 2: was going with the coach.
Speaker 3: The week before in Carolina he was still on crutches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but did he was?
Speaker 4: He was going yeah, Yeah, I'm like, what's what?
Speaker 3: He could barely walk up the stairs.
Speaker 2: But they got elevators. Hell, Caroline need to upgrade at
Speaker 2: the airport.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Carolina, Washington, man, y'all ought to be But I'm
Speaker 4: glad y'all voted on y'all stadium moving back to RFK
Speaker 4: because that dump y'all built was worse than the dump.
Speaker 2: You got out of. Horrible. Well, I heard it's horrible. Man.
Speaker 4: They can't if you know how they flush all the
Speaker 4: toilets at once. They had a major backup and it
Speaker 4: ain't been right since.
Speaker 3: Remind you of both of you the final game in
Speaker 3: eighty nine when the toilets froze at Texas.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, wow, that was a perfect end. Should have
Speaker 2: stayed in South DoD of perfect missus Brown perfectly into
Speaker 2: a perfect season.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, thanks a lot, all right, Merry Christmas.
Speaker 2: Thanks you man, Thank you man, Christmas Man.
Speaker 3: Good to have you.
Speaker 2: Coach Efverson, Joseph Nicky Joseph, what.
Speaker 3: Oh grambling boy, you can change gears and hurry.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't like. That's why trying to get
Speaker 2: rid of me on my show. He's trying to give me.
Speaker 2: I'm ready for it. You need to give them Christmas kid,
Speaker 2: donate by three billion dollars.
Speaker 3: They need nil. All right, we'll be back Thursday here
Speaker 3: on nick shots. Hopefully everybody Christmas Eve and a Christmas Day,
Speaker 3: and don't listen to Nate all the time. We'll see
Speaker 3: you on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Take care, go Cowboys.
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