1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:02,239 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 2: Today's show is brought to you by are presenting sponsor 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 2: American Beverage. If you think about some of the most 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: iconic drinks in the country, the ones you grab a barbecue, 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: the ones you raised to celebrate your team, that have 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: been part of your story for decades, Coke, Doctor, Pepper, Pepsi, 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: there's something people don't always think about. The companies behind 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: those brands are still making their drinks right here in 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: the US. 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So if you care about 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: strong old economies and companies that walk the walk, check 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: out the good work and what they're doing it. 20 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: We deliver for America dot Org. 21 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: Well, like the rest of you, I love a good 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: sports documentary, and when I heard there was a doc 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime about the ABA, for many reasons, I 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: was fascinated. It's called soul Power, the Legends of the ABA. 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: So I've said many times on my show The Herd 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: ten times, fifteen times. The first basketball player I fell 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: in love with was Julius Irving. But I was born 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty four, as Julius now joins us, and 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: I didn't watch sports until nineteen seventy two. I remember 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: it clearly. On a black and white TV, Julius, I 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: watched the Miami Dolphins at the time Washington Redskins Super Bowl. 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: Dolphins won fourteen to seven. It was about that time. 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: You know, I'm six years old, seven years old, I'm 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: getting into sports. So my mom bought me a subscription 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: to Sports Illustrated so I could watch baseball as the 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: national pastime on TV. College football. College basketball was big, 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: But like anything else in life, the one thing I 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: couldn't get was the ABA. So I had to rely 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: on the Sporting News, which actually did ABA guides, and 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: Sports Illustrated twice put you on the cover. I remember this. 41 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: So I'm in my formative years and I'm like, Who's 42 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: doctor J. Nobody's called doctor J. So because I didn't 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: get you didn't have a TV contract, because I didn't 44 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: get ABA games. 45 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: As a Seattle kid, my. 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: Parents bought me an ABA ball, So it's fascinating to me. 47 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: So let's go back. And I've always felt that the 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: NBA should include ABA numbers and stats. And the reason 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: I do is something I think you'll believe in that 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: I didn't know this about the ABA, Julius. I knew 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: about the Nuggets and the Spurs. I knew about you, 52 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: I knew about how many good players there were. I 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: did not know much about the exhibition games with the NBA, 54 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: in which the ABA teams clabbered them regularly. So let 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: so let's let's talk. Let's let's start with that. The 56 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: NBA in the seventies was considered a little white and overcoached, 57 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: and the ABA was more stylistic. It was more fun, 58 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: it was more fashionable, it was a little rowdy when 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: you matched up against those NBA teams. 60 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: Was there a chip on you on your. 61 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: League's shoulder, facing like the adult the parent league that 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: you knew in many instances you were superior to. 63 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I played in two of those games. 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: And ABA versus NBA, and the excitement surrounding it was 65 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: unbelievable because it was just the exhibition season and you know, 66 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 4: we had training camp, play exhibition games, and then play 67 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 4: the regular season, so everyone always look forward to the 68 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: regular season in the playoffs, and that was the big 69 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: deal with these exhibition games against the NBA. You know, 70 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 4: became a big deal more so for the ABA than 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 4: the NBA because the ABA was the league that was 72 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: trying to establish itself, also trying to prove it itself 73 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: worthy and you know, wanted to have some bragging rights. 74 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 4: So you beat an NBA team, Uh, they're going to 75 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 4: make excuses. They're going to say, well, our guys aren't 76 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 4: in shape and it's only it's only a practice game 77 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: or whatever. But you know, the ABA guys who were 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 4: probably younger and more excitable, kind of like the young 79 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 4: NBA players are now, you know, looking forward to having 80 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 4: the chip on their shoulder and all of that good stuff. 81 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 4: So so so winning those games, especially if you're playing 82 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 4: on your on your home court, because the city that 83 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: you're in, you know, would always stick a chest out 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 4: a little bit and say, hey, yeah, you know, you know, 85 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: we knock those guys off, and you know, the league's 86 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: been around longer, and you know, those names are known. 87 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: People know Oscar Robinson's name, Clyde Frasier, Wilt Chamberlain, you 88 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: know west Unsel, They know those guys' names, and you 89 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: know we took them down. 90 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: Those are the same guys. 91 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 4: You know what, guys, if they cut, they bleed just 92 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: like we do. The elbow they've been over, they act 93 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 4: like they're hurt just like we do or whatever. So 94 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 4: you know, we're all human beings. And because you wear 95 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: a title and you're you're you wear a moniker or whatever, 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 4: that's not gonna make you different. 97 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: That's gonna necessarily make you greater. Uh So, so it 98 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: was a. 99 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: Good confidence boosted for us, and you know a lot 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: of people who went to those games alive became believers. 101 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: And also you know that served to feed the cause. 102 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 4: And the cause was, you know, we had seen the 103 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 4: AFL and the NFL, you know, Merchant some one league, 104 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: so we had witnessed that, and globally the same type 105 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: of thing was happening. It was happening in soccer, and 106 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: it was happening in other sports that have played universally 107 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: not necessarily in the United States, so that became a 108 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: mission for the ownership the players. You know, my opinion was, 109 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: I came out of school after my junior year. I 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: had played two varsity seasons and our team had been 111 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 4: invited to the n I t Even though our record 112 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: was good enough to be invited to the NCAA tournament, 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 4: we weren't and it felt like we were snubbed. 114 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: And after that, after. 115 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: My junior year, I got approached by an agent, and 116 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: the numbers that they started talking about, you know, were 117 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 4: comparable to the best player in the NBA, and they 118 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: were said, this is going to go away. 119 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if the lead folds, it's going to go away. 120 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 4: And if the NBA continues to you know, maybe put 121 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: you out of business or you know, maintains a superiority. 122 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: Complex, then those numbers are going to go away. 123 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: And you know, one hundred thousand is going to turn 124 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: into twenty five, thirty thousand or whatever. 125 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: So you know, I took the deal. I took the deal. 126 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: It cost me a lot because I was I had 127 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: to forego being an Olympian and I had played in 128 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: the Olympic Development program and you know, at my size 129 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 4: and with my game, I was the leading scorer and 130 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: rebounder in the Olympic development program. We went over to Russia, 131 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: Poland and Finland and played, and you know, I was 132 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: a shoe to make the team. But that that era 133 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 4: of the representing your country and playing for the United 134 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: States of America in nineteen seventy seventy one seventy two 135 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 4: was not the most popular thing to do. 136 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: It's not like we were just dying to do it. 137 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: So I chose. I chose the pro pro route. 138 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: And at that time, you know, this is twenty years 139 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 4: before pros were allowed to play in the Olympics, so 140 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: you had to be an amateur to play. 141 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: And you know, sorry about you know, getting off. 142 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: The subject, but I'm just kind of this fill space 143 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 4: is very very important in terms of the ABA story, 144 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 4: in the ABA Hockey series, because there's so much to 145 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: it beyond just basketball. 146 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, there's the culture you know that we have. 147 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 4: There's the racial tension you know that was evident, and 148 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 4: and then there's you know, just the global situation where 149 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 4: you know, we're still learning things and there are a 150 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: lot of things that have gone on for hundreds of 151 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: years that haven't been fixed yet. So who's going to 152 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: fix this? Who's going to fix this? So basketball couldn't 153 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 4: be the most important thing for me in my life, 154 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: but it was. 155 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: It was. It was the path that I needed to take. Yeah. 156 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's interesting because I grew up in the seventies. 157 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: You know, the NBA was not a rich league in 158 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,119 Speaker 2: the seventies. In fact, I can remember the NBA Finals 159 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: being on tape delay after the eleven o'clock news and 160 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: young fans now that can watch every game every night, 161 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: So I remember NBA teams at that time. Julius traveled 162 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: on commercial first flight out of town, out of sea, traveled, 163 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: so what right, that's right? So what was travel like? Hotels? 164 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: Travel in the ABA, which was financially in a tougher 165 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: spot than even the NBA in the early seventh. 166 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, so so you know, we didn't have the uh, 167 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 4: top notch hotels. We had what was available to us. 168 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: We had roommates. You know, everybody had to pick a roommate, 169 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: so those single rooms. I didn't experience a single room 170 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 4: until I got in the NBA and I was in 171 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 4: Philadelphia and I didn't want a single room. Actually, Steve 172 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 4: Mixed was my roommate for five seasons. And that was 173 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: my boy and I learned a lot from him, and 174 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: he learned a lot from me. So yeah, the accommodation piece, 175 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, if you if your college team, 176 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 4: you know, was in the Big Ten or maybe you 177 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 4: know out there in the at Pac twelve or whatever, 178 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 4: you know, maybe the travel was a little better, maybe 179 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 4: the hotel accommodations were a little better, you know. But 180 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 4: you know, I played in with the Minute Men, uh 181 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 4: formally the UMass red Men, and we were in the 182 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: Yankee Conference, right, So our travel, our travel with was 183 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 4: a lot bout bus. I mean, we bussed over to Buffalo, 184 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 4: and we bussed down to Penn Pennsylvania to play Penn 185 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: and then all throughout New England we played Vermont, Maine, 186 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: New Hampshire, you know, all of those schools. 187 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: And you were built for it and we took buses. 188 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: So the move to the ABA was actually a step 189 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 4: up in terms of traveling and in terms of hotel accommodation. 190 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: So I'm from Seattle. So another player who was groundbreaking 191 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: was Spencer Haywood, So I yeah, so you know, I 192 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: grew up not only with the downtown Freddie Brown, DJ 193 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: Gus Williams, Jack Sikmasonics. I grew up with Spencer Haywood, 194 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: John Brisker, the young teams. And I tell people this 195 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: because for young fans the ABA. This is why I 196 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: supported the live tour to the PGA. My takeaway is, folks, 197 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: watch what Lyft and Uber did the taxis you need 198 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: disruptors in society, and the ABA was really the one 199 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: of the first disruptors in sports in this country. And 200 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: when I mean, you were a nine time All Star, 201 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: five in the NBA, four in the ABA, you were 202 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: a three time, you were a four. 203 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Times, sixteen time All Star, so you were six. 204 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 4: I was an All Star every season, but in terms 205 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 4: of all pro that was that was five in the 206 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 4: NBA and four first team in Yeah, I already played 207 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: there five years, so I was second team the other year. 208 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: So in the history of American basketball, professional basketball, there's 209 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: a real argument that the most unrewarded overlooked player is you. 210 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: That you were. You spent probably forty percent of your 211 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: best days. You know, you're in your athletic prime in 212 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: the ABA. Have you ever thought about, I mean, do 213 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: you regret that decision? 214 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: Have you ever thought? 215 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 5: Man? 216 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: Because the Olympics back in seventy two wasn't what they 217 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 2: are now. We watched for gymnastics, we watched for a 218 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: lot of things. The dream Team kind of made the 219 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: Olympic Basketball. It's a showcase. But when I look at you, 220 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: I think of all the great players, you probably have 221 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: been overlooked more than any great player, because I remember 222 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: in the seventies turning on the TV I grew up 223 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest and watching you against the Blazers and 224 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: thinking what am I watching? Have you ever thought about that? 225 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: Have you ever had regrets about your journey? 226 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 4: It's an excellent question, and I kind of stand on 227 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 4: the ground that the journey that I took, the path 228 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: that I took, made who I am today. You know, 229 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: never wan to ego trip and feel like I deserve 230 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 4: more than I've received. I'm more sensitive to the guys 231 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 4: who didn't recognition. I at least get some recognition. I 232 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 4: was on eight covers of Sports Illustrated and multiple colors 233 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 4: of Sports Magazine, and uh, you know, participated in a 234 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 4: lot of charitable endeavors which led to endorsements. 235 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, shooting Converse, Yeah, my. 236 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 4: Shoe deal with Converse, and it's Balding and you know, 237 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: my invitation to become a Coca Cola butler with Bruce Llewellen, 238 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 4: and so so there were things that happened. I've had 239 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 4: a good life. I've had had a very very good life. 240 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 4: And could it be better? 241 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. It could be different, It could be different. 242 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: But my my my empathy. 243 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: Goes, you know, to the guys who have passed on, 244 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: don't have the recognition their families, They don't have the 245 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: financial support you know of pensions and and gifting and 246 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: uh so that the sort of things that are more 247 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: important than my ego. And I think that my statistics 248 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: can be matched with anybody's. I mean, you know, the 249 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 4: guys who came after me and played better in the 250 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 4: NBA than they played in the ABA. And my stats 251 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: in the ABA were probably a little better than the NBA. 252 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 4: But I was playing with a different team. I came 253 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: a whole career with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. The 254 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 4: first day I got there, the general manager came in 255 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: and said, look, we got George McGinnis here, we got 256 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: Doug Collins or whatever, so we don't need you to 257 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 4: score thirty points a game. And I've never experienced that 258 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 4: where I've gone and the coaches told me to tone 259 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,479 Speaker 4: it down, or general manager, I said tone it down. 260 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: And so they were bursts in which, you know, the 261 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: doctor j of the ABA came out. But most of 262 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: the time it was as you said about the NBA, 263 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 4: you know, to slow down, structure, structure, playing, playing a 264 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: certain type of game. So I was encouraged to play 265 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 4: that type of game, although inside of me, you know, 266 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: there was always that ability to do more. 267 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: And who who asked an athlete to do less? Nobody? 268 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of crazy. 269 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because there's so much your journey is 270 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: fascinating and and uh, the aforementioned Philadelphia seventy six ers 271 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: is one of the first teams I loved, and they 272 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: had Steve mix a b a U ab A, George 273 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: McGinnis a b A, Bobby Jones a B A. It 274 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: was an ABA All Star Jones, Calill Jones. So essentially 275 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: that seventy six ers team was an ABA team. Winning 276 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, was it not? 277 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 278 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: Going and losing to Portland and winning ultimately in eighty 279 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 4: three against the Lakers. We had met much ABA representation there, 280 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: and plus you know, the guys who didn't get the 281 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: ABA experience. I always, you know, taught them things that 282 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 4: I brought over from the ABA, you know. And I 283 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: used to tell Andrew Tony. I'd say, you know, George 284 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 4: Gervin came in my second year in Virginia and the 285 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 4: practice was over and he wanted to go home, and 286 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 4: I was like, gee, we got work to do. 287 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: You're over here over time. 288 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 4: So we would stay in the gym and it was 289 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 4: at this Jewish community center. We would stay in the 290 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 4: gym and we played one on one and uh, you know, 291 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: maybe put in the extra hour, extra hour and a 292 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: half and go home exhausted. And when Andrew Toni came in, 293 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 4: it was the same thing with him. I said, look, 294 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 4: you know you're gonna be my new iceman, Gervon, because 295 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 4: because you're really good, and I could use the work myself, 296 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: so you know, I would keep him afterwards. And that 297 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 4: was something that Ray Scott showed me in the ABA about, 298 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 4: you know, stand after putting in the extra time and 299 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 4: you know, really the other things about taking care of 300 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: yourself and then the other things about just some fundamental 301 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: things that you need to do during the course of 302 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 4: the game. You don't have to always jump as high 303 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 4: as you possibly can. And you see it in today's 304 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 4: game where guys they step back and shoot set shots. 305 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 306 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: Whatever, So the jump shot, you know, is a little 307 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 4: bit overstated because you know, the true jump shot where 308 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: you go to your pinnacle and your peak and then 309 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 4: you let it go, you don't have to do it, 310 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: actually takes more energy and it's actually a risk reward 311 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 4: shot because you probably, if you probably would shoot less 312 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: of a percentage from shooting that way as opposed to 313 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 4: stepping back and. 314 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: Shooting set shot. 315 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: Today's show brought to you by our presenting sponsor, hard 316 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: Rock Bet. 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It's lightlifting. 353 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: Then you get about four days after the Super Bowl 354 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 2: to chop it up, and then there's like a three 355 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: week stretch until NFL Free agency, and you know college 356 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: basketball it's into March badness where it's pretty dead. But 357 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to start today. I was watching JB. Pritzker 358 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 2: as the governor of Illinois. It's for the uninitiated here. 359 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: He's one of the richest, one of the richest families 360 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: in America. He is the Pritzker family. It's probably the 361 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: top four or five richest families in America. A lot 362 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 2: of their you know, net worth was in the highatt 363 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: chain and hotels, and in fact, I have a place 364 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: in downtown Chicago and JB. Pritzker, somebody's grandfather has a 365 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: plaque on the Wall. I see it every time I 366 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: go out the door. So and he is the governor. 367 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: I think he's a Northwestern duke guy, very very smart guy. 368 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: And you know, so the mccaskey's when you hear these 369 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: threats by Kevin Warren and the mccaskeys of moving you know, 370 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: the Bear Stadium. Good luck negotiating against J. B. Pritzker, 371 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: who's a very very sharp guy. He was a businessman, 372 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: very successful before he was the governor of the state. 373 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: And I think he would run circles around the McCaskey family. 374 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: But what is so insane to me? Like I hear 375 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: the stories. First of all, Kago is a blue blood 376 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: American sports market. It's in the Boston, Philly, Chicago. You 377 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: could end the list there. I've always said, people think 378 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: New York City is a great sports city, but yet 379 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: thirty percent of the people are from you know, Europe, Russia. 380 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: I've seen the Rose Bowl ratings in Chicago, and I've 381 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: seen them in New York. You know, New York likes 382 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: New York. Chicago watches everything college football, bowling, NASCAR, NBA. 383 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: Chicago watches everything. It's a great maybe the best American 384 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: sports down and the idea that you pull a stadium 385 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: out and put it in northern Indiana. And again for 386 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 2: people that don't know what's in northern Indiana, the answer 387 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: is nothing. South Bend, Gary Hammond, Fort Wayne's probably got 388 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: three hundred thousand people. The people in Indiana would have 389 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: to pay for the stadium. There'd be taxes obviously assessed 390 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: to build a two and a half billion dollar stadium. 391 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: So I look at it and I think this is nonsense. 392 00:22:59,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: JB. 393 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: Pritz door, it's going to run circles around the McCaskey 394 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 2: family and all the kids. How do you view it 395 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: as somebody that worked here and is a Bears fan. 396 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 5: Well, so, first of all, I find this story to 397 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 5: be joyless because and so when I get when I 398 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 5: go on the score and you know, I still follow 399 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 5: all those people on social media and they're they're all 400 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 5: my friends and colleagues in Chicago media. I hate how 401 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 5: much they feel like they have to talk about it, 402 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 5: because yes, it is like it matters where the Bears 403 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 5: play football. But this is this is a story of 404 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 5: billionaires trying to get a better tax rate for a 405 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: stadium to make them, yes, like they're going to be 406 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 5: the Chicago Bears, whether they're on the lake Front, Northwest 407 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 5: Indiana or Arlington Heights, they will be the Chicago Bears, 408 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 5: just like they are the New York Giants, even though 409 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 5: they play in Jersey. They're the Dallas Cowboys even though 410 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 5: they play in Arlington. And so this is this is 411 00:23:54,880 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 5: just about a family, the mccaskeys, who inherited a football team. 412 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 5: They are not wealthy like the Pritzkers from High End 413 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: or some of the poorest mens among the poorest owners. 414 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 5: Their wealth is a team in which they inherited. And 415 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: there's a ton of kids, some of whom want to 416 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 5: sell the team and cash in, others of whom feel 417 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 5: an obligation to keep it in the family. And it 418 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 5: seems like they're going to. But they don't have, you know, 419 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 5: millions and billions of dollars of their own outside of 420 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 5: outside of football. And they've played in Soldier Field, small 421 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 5: stadium in the NFL, and they didn't own they didn't 422 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 5: own it. Like I remember, Kanye West had a concert 423 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 5: the weekend of a Bears game where he brought his 424 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 5: childhood home onto Soldier Field and lit it on fire. 425 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 5: And so the Bears then played a game like eighteen 426 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 5: hours later with just a patch of dead grass. 427 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: In the middle. 428 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 5: Because they didn't own the stadium, high school kids would 429 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 5: play soccer tournaments and yeah, you know what I mean. 430 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: So it was just it's been known as the worst 431 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: surface in the league parks and rec and Chicago, and 432 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: it's atrocious. 433 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 5: Correct, And it's finally gotten better recently after like literally 434 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 5: decades of being the worst. But so the point is 435 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 5: it's impossible to get in and out of. Uh, the 436 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 5: renovation was pretty ugly. The field was terrible, and it 437 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 5: wasn't big enough to host a super Bowl and it 438 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 5: didn't have a roof so you can host the Final four. 439 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 3: Other than that, they nailed it. 440 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 5: And so then now it's like, Okay, so the mccaski's 441 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 5: want to own their stadium, fine, but they don't have 442 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 5: the money to do it. 443 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: Well. JB. 444 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 5: Pritzker, as you mentioned, smart business guy, Illinois, blue state, 445 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 5: it's not very politically popular too to have publicly funded stadiums, right. 446 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 5: You saw what happened with the chiefs in Missouri and Kansas, 447 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 5: a couple of red states, and they are gonna they're 448 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 5: getting laughed at for how much public funding they're planning 449 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 5: going to pony up for the new Chief Stadium. So 450 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 5: Indiana red state, they're going to do it, or they're 451 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 5: going to offer to do it. But my gut tells 452 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 5: me they go to Arlington Heights. I don't think George 453 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 5: McCaskey has it in them to have the Bears leave 454 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 5: the state of Illinois when he inherited it from you know, 455 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 5: Virginia McCaskey marriage. George allis the whole thing. Like I 456 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 5: just they bought Arlington Racetrack. They spent three hundred million dollars, 457 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 5: or they spent more than that. It's three hundred and 458 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 5: twenty acres of land for however many hundreds and millions 459 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 5: of dollars they bought it for. They're not real estate developers, 460 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 5: like they bought that land for a reason. 461 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: So this is all just a game of chicken. 462 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 5: It's all just to get Arlington Heights to lower their 463 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 5: property tax rate. And so I find the story to 464 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 5: be joyless because it's literally just about ken the mccaskey's 465 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 5: increase their net worth by building an entertainment complex around 466 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 5: the new stadium that they will finally own. I just 467 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 5: don't care about it that much to he totally can't 468 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 5: it just who cares? Who cares they're gonna be the 469 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 5: Kayleb Williams is gonna be the quarterback of the Chicago Bears. 470 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 5: Call it with Ben Johnson along the plays. Whether it's 471 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 5: an Arlington, Arlington Heights or Northwest Indiana, I honestly don't 472 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 5: care very much. 473 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, Arlington Heights is close to my house, so I'm 474 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 2: obviously don't feel like going to Hammond, Indiana. 475 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 5: Can I tell you one thing about ham in Indiana. 476 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 2: It's where the casinos And there's probably only one thing 477 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: about ham in Indiana. 478 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, so it's where I would gamble because that's 479 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 5: where you get That's where there were casinos. So it's 480 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 5: right over the border, like it's Northwest Siana is Chicago Land. 481 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: It's the real thing called the region. 482 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 5: Like I had radio partners, you know, who lived there 483 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 5: because of the taxes and it was so much. You 484 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 5: could work in Chicago, pay the nine dollars toll and 485 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 5: then pay way fewer taxes in Indiana. 486 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: But I would. 487 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 5: I would live in Wrigleyville and drive there every day 488 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 5: and play poker when I was twenty two years old, 489 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 5: because that's where all of the casinos were now. 490 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: It's disgusting. 491 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 5: It's it's gary, it's bad, it's smoke stacks, it's prison, 492 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 5: it's terrible. But you know, cheap land and property taxes. 493 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 5: So maybe they'll build a stad in there. I doubt it. 494 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 5: I doubt it. 495 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: Where do you think they're going to go? Arlington Heights. 496 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 2: I don't buy it at all. This is a blue 497 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,479 Speaker 2: but I mean the Niners play out in Santa Clara, 498 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: So California is such a massive state, but. 499 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 3: There's nothing in Indiana. 500 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: Even Indianapolis is a snooze. I mean, you know a 501 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: state's a bad food state when you say where do 502 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: you go to eat in Indianapolis and everybody gives you 503 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: one restaurant, Saint Elmots. 504 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 505 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just And there's nothing against Indiana, but I 506 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: mean it's the state's not wealthy the states. It's just 507 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: not a place that local taxpayers in Indiana don't care 508 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: about the Bears. They love the Colts. You know what 509 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: the best part about Indiana is Bloomington. That is a 510 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: great town. Bloomington's a great college town. 511 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 5: Sure and listen, and I've had plenty of good times 512 00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 5: in South Bend going to football games. It's just I don't. 513 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 5: They hired Kevin Warren to get this thing done because 514 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 5: he helped spearhead the stadium for the Vikings, which is arguably 515 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 5: the best stadium in the NFL. And he just came 516 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: in with a lot of bluster, being like we're going 517 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 5: to get shovels in the ground. He promised shovels in 518 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 5: the ground in twenty twenty five. We're recording this on 519 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 5: March first of twenty twenty six, and we're still playing 520 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 5: one state against another and three different locations against each other, 521 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 5: and there's no shovels in the ground happening anytime soon. 522 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 5: So it's just it's a manipulative story. The Bears are 523 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 5: leaking a ton of stuff to a ton of local Yeah, 524 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 5: that's eating it up, which drives me insane, Like this 525 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 5: is just a game of political chicken and just let 526 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 5: it play out. 527 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 3: They'll end up in Arlington Heights and everything will be fine. 528 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: It's interesting with Lebron. You know the Dodgers owners now 529 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: on the Lakers, and you know they let go of 530 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger and Scott Sager and Trey Turner on the 531 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: batting title and Manny Machado in his Prime, which I 532 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: was surprised with Zach Grinky. 533 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: They don't don't let go of people. 534 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: And by the way, all the analytics tell you that 535 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: Luke and Lebron on the floor don't work because and 536 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: for obvious reasons. One they both need the ball. Two 537 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: both are I mean, Lebron is now the second slowest 538 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: player in the league. So like the tandem of Luke 539 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: and Lebron is like it's a disaster on the floor. 540 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 2: But not to include myself in this, but I saw 541 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: this week like Chris Berman announced his retirement and it'll 542 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: be like in a year and he'll have worked like 543 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: fifty years at ESPN. And that's Jeter, that's Kobe. When 544 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: you play for one team, that's Dan Marino, right, So 545 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: there's this love. You know, I've bounced around in different 546 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: companies beyond I've been a bit of a mercenary. You know, 547 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: have microphone, will travel, what's the best offer, what's the 548 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: best commerce. That was best for my family. That's why 549 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: I did it. I could have stayed everywhere if things 550 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: worked out. But the downside of being a mercenary in 551 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: basketball and broadcasting, in politics, the downside to being a 552 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: mercenary is there's not a lot of romanticism about it, right, Like, like, so, Lebron, 553 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: you can show him the door tomorrow. Magic Johnson walks 554 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: into that arena. He's still more beloved than Lebron, like 555 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: to this day. He walks into the Staples, and it's 556 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: fascinating to watch the crowd stands. It's like, oh, there's Magic. 557 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: You've never seen him your all season to get holders. 558 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: So my take is the advantage the Dodgers have is 559 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: you can let Lebron go and people will be like, well, 560 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: I'll building a statue and I don't think like like, 561 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: it's not Jordan, it's not No, it's it's not the 562 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: eighty five Bears. 563 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: It's well. 564 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: And I defended Lebron's mobility, but like La is distracted, 565 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: like nobody's gonna care. 566 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 3: No, So a couple of things. 567 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: First of all, we will romanticize you, Colin whenever you 568 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 5: want to hang it up. I promise you, I promise you. 569 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 5: We will give you your flowers. No, don't don't worry. 570 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 5: You're very important to all of us at the blah 571 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: blah blah and the volume. So yeah, you are. You 572 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 5: are the son of which we all know. So don't, 573 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 5: So don't worry. You'll get You'll get your flowers, and 574 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 5: you're goodbye to her. But you're you're not You're not 575 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 5: going anywhere anytime soon. Lebron means more to the NBA 576 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 5: than he means to the Lakers. 577 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: I totally agree. 578 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 5: But you know, like that, I wouldn't worry if I 579 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 5: were if I owned the Lakers about saying goodbye to Lebron, 580 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 5: But I would worry if I was Adam Silver about 581 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 5: saying goodbye to Lebron. Lebron still matters. He is still interesting. 582 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 5: People still care about him. I went to the Bulls 583 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 5: game with Lebron. He was the most popular player. 584 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: I mean, of course he was the most popular. He's 585 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: one of the most famous people in the world. He's 586 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 3: maybe one. 587 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 5: Of the most famous. He's one of the greatest athletes 588 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 5: ever any sport. He's it's either remarkable. It's remarkable, like 589 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 5: he he's taking up golf and I can't get enough 590 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 5: of it. Like I like watching the clips of Lebron 591 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 5: trying to learn golf because it's like, oh, man, Lebron, 592 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 5: he's just like me. He's yeah, duffing it out of 593 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 5: the rough like he's I would imagine, like, obviously, I 594 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 5: have no idea what it's like to be Lebron, obviously. 595 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 4: But. 596 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 5: I gotta think if I was Himmer in his camp, 597 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 5: there would be a sinister part of me that when 598 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 5: he retires would wonder what shows like ours on both 599 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 5: networks would talk about we've spent I mean, you've been 600 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 5: at this long than me. I've been doing National TV 601 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 5: for a year and a half. How many thousands of 602 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 5: hours between the two networks do you think Lebron has programmed? 603 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: Oh, I said fifty. I said this to a baseball 604 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 2: executive ten years ago. I was about a year before 605 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 2: I left ESPN, and I told this baseball executive. It 606 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 2: was at some it was in Connecticut, and there were 607 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: a bunch of baseball people there. I said, do you 608 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: understand nobody talks about your sport? And you may look 609 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: at first take and you may you know, my show 610 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: wasn't a thing at FS one yet or but I 611 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: mentioned four or five popular hosts, and Tony and Mike 612 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: and all them, you know get I don't even think 613 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: Get Up was a show yet. But I said, you know, 614 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 2: Mike and Mike I think was Mike, And I said, 615 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 2: nobody talks baseball. I said, do you understand how many 616 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 2: free hours the NFL and the NBA get on these networks. 617 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: It's insane. Now baseball, Oh, Taani the dog. That's why 618 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 2: the Dodgers, You and I have said this, They're great 619 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: for baseball. They got a villain again for the first 620 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 2: time in twenty years. Like they need a villain, they 621 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: need a bad guy. So yeah, no, I think there 622 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: isn't really. In fact, I've noticed Danny when I talk 623 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: NBA now, I talk Nicks. I don't talk players. I 624 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 2: talk Nicks, I talk Oh, I don't talk Warriors. I 625 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 2: would say Celtics, Knicks, Lakers. I don't really talk a player. 626 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: I really don't. And I think that's that's one of 627 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: the challenges the NBA had, because it's always been its 628 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: most popular when there's a galvanizing or polarizing figure to 629 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 2: lead the way NFL combine is something. And I think 630 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: I we touched on this earlier. I I it EBB 631 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: and flows on what I talked about college football got 632 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: too regional. 633 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 3: I stopped talking about it to a large degree. Now 634 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: it's back. 635 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: Jim Harborough brought it back. The Big Ten brought it back. 636 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: Now I talk about it all the time, the NFL combine. 637 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 2: I am out on. I am out on the NFL 638 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 2: the last two years, and I. 639 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 3: Yes, you were. 640 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think probe. I think for a 641 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: long time it was just NFL and I loved I like. 642 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: I like the convergence of college and pro I love 643 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: the draft. I love the combine that makes sense, but 644 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: it's so rehearsed. Many of the stars don't show up. 645 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,720 Speaker 2: I don't care about people's hand size. 646 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: I really don't care. 647 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 2: And the truth is, I think one of the things 648 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 2: that's really smart. One of the reasons I love the 649 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 2: way the la Rams do business is they're not They're 650 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 2: willing to say things and do things that other people won't. 651 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 2: They just said several years ago, we're not going that. 652 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: We do our own homework. We have tape, we can 653 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 2: go to the Senior Bowl. We're not doing a quick 654 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 2: fifteen minute interview where Johnny Manzel had NFL teams believing 655 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 2: he was Peyton Manning. 656 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 3: It's like, let's ride I never want. 657 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 2: It's a bullshit seminar and it's just polished visa. The agents. 658 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 2: These guys come in with talking points. They train in Phoenix, 659 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: you know, everybody runs their fastest forty. Everybody's got abs. 660 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 2: You know, it's like everybody has their best vertical. It's football. 661 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: By October twelfth, nobody runs a four to three. Not 662 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 2: even the four to three guys. They've got a bad hip, 663 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 2: they've got an ankle spring like like the whole league's 664 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 2: beat up by week six. It's just it's a sport 665 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: of attrition. You're just trying to get your best players available, 666 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 2: like down the stretch. So I find myself, like, we 667 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 2: know who's going. 668 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: To go number one? Is there anything that you have 669 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 3: moved out of? Like, I'm just not. 670 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: I was never a home run derby guy, for instance. 671 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: I was never so that I was never in. I 672 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 2: didn't leave it. 673 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. 674 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 2: I've joked, I've never watched four plays. I think the 675 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 2: last time I watched the Pro Bowl. Walter Abercrombie was 676 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: a running back for the Baylor Bears and the Steelers briefly. 677 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: I don't even know where he played, Like I remember 678 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 2: watching it. 679 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 3: He had a big run. 680 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 2: I think it was him, So I don't. I don't 681 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 2: watch that combine I used to. I'm it doesn't do 682 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: a thing for me now it turned it on for 683 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 2: twenty minutes today and I moved over to the NBA 684 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 2: and said more interested. 685 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the combine like that was one that I 686 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 5: always I I understood it because the NFL is just 687 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 5: the cash cow and it's the thing that makes the 688 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 5: whole business go. But like, man, these networks really invested 689 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 5: in their combine coverage. They're they're on live for the 690 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 5: whole time that you know, rich Eisen is running the 691 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 5: forty like he's participating running like you know what I mean. 692 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 5: Like they made it into like big business in big TV. 693 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 5: And the whole time, I was like, this is the 694 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 5: underwear Olympics for a that like I'm not sure we 695 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 5: like should be having. And it's just like they it's 696 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 5: between all the college football tape and the in person 697 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 5: interviews and the pro days and like the number one 698 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 5: pick never throws, like it's just like it's just go 699 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 5: get your height and your weight measured basically. Like So 700 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 5: I just I never was that enthralled by it and 701 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 5: was kind of amazed that these networks could get yeah, 702 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 5: eight hours a day of televised content out of it. 703 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 5: So I've never been a huge combine guy. Regular season 704 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 5: college basketball is something that I very much used to love. 705 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,479 Speaker 3: And now yeah, really I think America did. 706 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to love it, and part of it, 707 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 5: part of was age too, To be honest with you, like, 708 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 5: just like I went to Syracuse that that program mattered. 709 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 5: Then I worked in Kansas City, so I was around 710 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 5: KU that program mattered. Good college basketball markets. But then, 711 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 5: like you, you grow further, you grow up, you grew 712 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 5: further away from your alma mater, you moved to a 713 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 5: pro sport market. 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