WEBVTT - On The Ground In Palestine, Part 2 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.960 Who Zone Media. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.240 We're back for part two. In our conversation with Ava, 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.319 when we left off, Ava was describing her experience in 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.760 the West Bank. I wanted to know what it was 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.759 like traveling into leslay Rafah, in particular from the West Bank. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.919 So now we are going to jump back into that conversation. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.840 What was that process of even entering what like from 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.479 the West Bank? 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.960 So there is no direct way for the West Bank. 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.159 I mean, it's it's hilarious because, like, you know, like 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.279 the conventional wisdom is like, oh, the entire land of 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.880 Palestine is like smaller in New Jersey, but you don't 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.280 really notice it until like I am in Yaffa, I'm 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.920 in Tel Aviv, I am like thirty kilometers or something 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.279 from Gaza. I am in the West Bank. I am 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.320 so close, but you have to go a long way 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.760 over a long there are a lot of like logistical 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.600 hurdles to get there, just kind of like any kind 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.440 of travel in the West Bank or any kind of 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:07.760 occupied space. But basically my journey looked like leaving Masafriata, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.240 the area of villages in the south hibern Hills or 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:17.200 southern West Bank, going north to Ramala, crossing into Kouds 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.680 and then hanging out and then taking and I got 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.560 to be in the Goods for e which was amazing 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.039 to see that, But then hopping on a bus and 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.440 riding all the way down to a Lats like a 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.119 kind of a horrible tourist town at the southern end 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.440 of forty eight. Then cut a bus into Tapa on 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:42.200 the Egyptian side in Sinai. Crossing took forever, so I 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.440 spent basically twelve hours overnight circuling the Sinai, which wasn't 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.640 my original plan, it is what happened. And then I 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.120 went to Cairo, and I spent some time in Cairo. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.800 I got there a little bit early. Our entry was delayed, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.320 so I ended up having some basic chirot to do compass, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:00.160 which was fine and good, and then went in with 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.200 a UN convoy, which is really the only way that 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.200 you can go in crossing the northern Sinai. There's a 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.240 lot of checks with Egyptian officials out then you get 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.640 to the border, go through a bunch of checks with 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:18.200 Egyptian officials, then you cross over have a comparatively fewer 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.480 but still plenty checks with gasand officials. I also almost 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.440 cried like looking at a Palaestinian seal crossing in because 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.360 I was like getting a stamp in my passport the 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.239 Palestinian authority in Gaza, because I was like, I've never 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.480 like it's always every court of entry into Palestine is 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.840 otherwise controlled by the Israelis. This is like the only 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.960 one that is under Palestinian control. Even if it's like 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.800 Palestinian control in a giant open air prison, it's like 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:54.720 still something under And then we're inside and I've been 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:00.240 working and you know, driving in cars and movement is 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:05.760 pretty limited for security reasons. The murdering of the World 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.400 Central Kitchen workers that happened not long before I came, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.400 when like basically a targeted drones strike took out three 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.000 vehicles and six or seven people. Still very unclear reasons, 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.079 but it was not an accident, maybe not directed from 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.960 the top, but very scary. So there's a lot of 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.040 controlled movements. So basically you have to kind of a 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.040 preapproved plan for where you're going to go and what 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.280 you're going to do when you're going to move. But yeah, 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.760 there's a lot of there's for a number of international 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.520 aid workers here right now, and I'm really privileged to 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.560 work with mostly Palestinian ones, but a few good internationals too. 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:45.320 I wanted to get Avia's perspective about social media and 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.000 the actions of college protesters, how much coverage of the 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.480 protests actually gets to Palestinians. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:56.400 I was watching coverage with one of the doctors here 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:02.760 of campus protests and other like international protests just this afternoon. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.000 People are talking about it. People are talking about global 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.040 resistance and support. I don't know how representative that is 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.320 outside of that space. Like I interact with a lot 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.400 of members of the public who are not healthcare workers, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.880 but most of my conversations are with healthcare workers. I 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.960 do speak a little bit of Arabic, but not at 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.120 like a deep conversational level, like enough to do some 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:31.080 basic assessments and pleasantries and you know, meet my needs. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.200 A lot of people are aware and are feeling hopeful 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:40.640 in this moment with the negotiations, in part because of 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.840 the international pressure. It's interesting a lot. I feel like 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.880 there's a lot more hopefulness in Gaza than I've experienced 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.640 just talking with people that I experienced in the West Bank. 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:53.679 And I think that partly that might be the moment, 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.720 but also I think it's partly sometimes in In fact, 0:04:56.720 --> 0:04:58.520 they noticed in the West Bank too, where it's like 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.279 it is horrible and horrifying and terrifying to be in 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.120 the eye of the storm or to be in the storm, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.720 but it's like you're in it and you don't have 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.880 to imagine it elsewhere, if that makes sense. When that 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.880 all started, like I tried to plug in as best 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:22.000 as I could with you know, protest movements around the States, 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.000 and as I'm sure a lot of people, maybe you 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:26.919 and a lot of people might be listening, could like 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.839 resonate with. It felt very like exciting to have that 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.719 much motivation or that many people caring about Palestine, but 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.760 also really inadequate and really hopeless. Just feel like you're 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.400 throwing yourself against a wall and nothing's going to change, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.039 and feels are really hopeless. And in the West Bank 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.080 I had Palestinian activists say, I think this has proven 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.039 that no protest movements do anything, but like in this 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.560 moment and in this location, I don't hear that, and 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.440 I don't believe that that's the case. Like I think 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:59.120 that protest movements have a limited capacity to change those people, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.880 like the the policies and just those people in power 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:08.400 that said, it's so little, so late as far as 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.720 like any kind of political change in the West and 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.760 in the US and in Europe. Like today, I visited 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.920 a cemetery that was built by like a guy and 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:22.800 his volunteers he worked with since October seventh, and like 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.800 visited the site of the remains of his family. What 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.320 remains were covered and of like another person's remains of 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:34.680 her family, and just like a field of some quality 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.720 and a lot of just like pavers, stones just thrown 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:41.680 down with names written on them in the sand, surrounded 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.520 by tent encampments, with children fighting to water the plants 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.560 in order to get a couple of shekels their nation. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:53.320 Like it also really really sucks, and the fact that 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.840 it's gotten to this point is unimaginably horrific. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.560 Ava had been on the ground, its say, and helping 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.240 in what little remains because its hospitals. This is what 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:05.800 she had to say about that experience. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.280 There is no space. Most of the sickest and most 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.960 seriously injured patients are treated on the floor because there's 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.920 no space, and they were brought in screaming, bleeding, dying 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.080 or dead. The first few days I saw several people 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.840 die on the floor. You know, saw several bodies on 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:30.280 the floor. It's incredibly hard space. Most of the difficulty 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.720 that I have seen, like I said before, has not 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:38.520 been direct violence from the genocide, such as a missile falling, 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.680 such as shopnels, such as conclassifores, such as gunshots. I've 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.960 seen all of those, but that has not been the 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.480 majority of what I have seen. The majority of what 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.360 I have seen is children who do not have access 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:56.720 to their anti seasure medications. So the child comes in 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.680 and what's called satasphoaloptigus, which is a teacher that lasts 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.480 longer than thirty minutes, and it's gotten to a point 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.960 where it's self reinforcing and it can't be stopped easily, 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.520 and it's often and it can be easily fail even 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:14.080 with critical care resources. They have seen children whose parents 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.200 had to a different form of a medication and with 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.600 a different dosing and things, and that got confusing because 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.320 they were either like find someone who's bringing in medication, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:26.600 or like find it from another place and it's not 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.720 written in Arabic and it's not clear, and so they 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.880 end up getting a wrong dose. It's like that on 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.760 the shot is now the only provider of dialysis in there, 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.679 there's another hospital that provides, but everywhere is so overly, 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.440 there's way too many people drawing on those resources that 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.800 they're having to run people shorter periods of time, more 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:55.120 spread out schedule, so people get critically sick. It's like 0:08:56.040 --> 0:09:02.240 a lack of clean water because oft of infrastructure, because 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.800 of mass displacement, because of a extended period where in 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:11.360 the Israelis were and the Egyptians were preventing flow of 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:17.880 clean water resources into Gaza. So children, adults are getting hepatitis, 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:25.439 a turning yellow with jaundice, having persistin diarrhea, dehydration, incredibly 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.480 high rates of septic shock, and like severe systemic infection 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:35.400 due to all kinds of untreated conditions. Because it's so 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.480 much work and so dangerous for people to access care, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.680 let alone just live that people put things off till 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.720 they're literally dying. It's not a stable situation, but it's 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.720 like a tenuously like I said, hanging on my thread situation. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.480 And again I just I am. I am terrified of 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.160 what will happen if then everybody has to relocate again, 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.920 because it's going to be like people not going back 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.920 to square one it'll be going, you know, backward in 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.400 the whole new depths of pain and suffering, because like 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.960 if they're pushed out of Raupa to han Uness, it'll 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:15.160 be to an already devastated city with now tent cities 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.320 and people trying to rebuild a hospital where there is 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:19.640 no water infrastructure. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.160 Despite the terrible suffering, Ava was able to find time 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.040 to connect with her faith and her heritage while she 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:27.640 was in Les. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.120 I am also Jewish. That is not the reason I 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.520 am here, but it is not not a reason that 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:38.480 I am here. And during like the first few months 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.880 since the seventh of October, Jews took up a lot 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.200 of space in protest movements, and I think for good reason, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:52.360 because frankly, white supremacy and time with sami Arab Antipolsinian 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.800 bias and people not knowing what to think or do 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:02.480 about Palestine, and so having Voicesjewish Americans saying like, no, actually, 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.440 this is bad, Like you can all see that and 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.400 just go ahead and acknowledge it's bad and we can 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.880 move forward. I think is important that said. I think 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.120 that the voices of Jewish people the voices of white people. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.440 Not all Jews are white, of course, but many Jews 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.719 experienced whiteness and do not generally experience Islamophobia or anti Arabias, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:22.559 although planet some. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.960 New Here's a voice note Eva shared with us after 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.199 a long day at the hospital in the data. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.080 Back at our house, I made some soup with noodles 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.439 and some beans are food. It's shaba scandals. For the 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.080 first time in a long time, I find myself interestingly 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.720 less estranged from my practice then I have been. It 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.480 feels very in line with my faith, practice and my 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:53.200 ethics to be here, and that feels good. And it's 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:54.880 been the first time in a long time that I've 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.000 felt like lighting. There's been several times that people have 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:02.000 asked me my faith and I've answered I'm Jewish, and 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.800 some of them were interested or excited, some of them 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:11.079 were surprised or confused, most who were like, yeah, no problem. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:15.720 And obviously, and nobody has said anything negative about me 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.840 for that, or for being American for that matter. My 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.800 experience of Palestinians continues to be of the most understanding, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:30.240 welcoming and people in hospitable people and people most capable 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:34.760 of holding complexity. People here obviously are not fans of 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.160 the US, not fans in the State of Israel, not 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.920 fans of most of their experience of Jews, but have 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.360 no problem with people from the US or people who 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:44.959 are Jewish. And that much is my experience in the 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:49.680 last Bank. So there's that I've been offered people's foods 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.800 so many times, and I consistently decline, except for when 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.000 I've just fed them and I eat something and then 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.720 I'm like, that's enough, thank you. I don't know, it's 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.360 a really magical place. It's a really hard place to be, 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.240 and I'm grateful I get to be here. 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.640 It's obvious how much help there is great, but to 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.520 give the people a pleasant With their hospitals bombed and 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:24.120 their doctors killed, they desperately need medical help. But she 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.600 says they have given her help as well. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.400 And I think it's really important, like you say, to 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.200 be focused on, like the people who are experiencing the 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.760 genocide and are resisting the genocide, because truly, in no 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.880 small part, I came to Palestine hoping to be, you know, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.479 to do something to help, and also to be reinspired, 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:50.199 because Palestinians are experts in resisting colonialism, experts in resisting genocide, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:57.240 experts in maintaining whatever can be considered hopefulness towards the 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:02.360 future beyond occupation and colonial It is not fair that 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.520 Palestinians have to bear that burden of maintaining that kind 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.520 of optimism and resilience and all that kind of stuff 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.960 in the face of all the horrors that they've experienced, 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:13.880 like nobody should have to experience that. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.240 We then asked Ava what the impact of solidarity actions 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.000 around the world have on the people of Palestine. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.600 I think it is important to talk. I think it's 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.720 really unsatisfying kind of activism, as many kinds of activism are, 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.880 because it's hard to convince people who are already decided 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.840 they're against you, and it's also painful and exhausting and 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.560 usually not helpful. And also it doesn't feel particularly helpful 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:45.240 just to like rev up people that do agree with you. 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.960 But I think that people continuing to show up and 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.720 not letting it rest, not letting that energy die, not 0:14:53.920 --> 0:15:00.480 letting this administration feel like anyone's forgotten about the ways 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:05.400 that they failed. Also, BDS, please learn about BOYCOPDA investment 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.800 and instinction. The Israeli government also really is scared of that. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.600 They view it as terrorism to do more of it. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.120 Not saying that people should do terrorism, but do BDS, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.200 which is not terrorism. Decidedly no. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.760 I'm glad you brought that up, because that's what the 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.920 students are protesting. They want their universities to divest. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.080 I do think that people should learn more about BDS 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:29.160 because a lot of the public knowledge and information promoted 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.400 about BDS stuff is different from it, and that's fine. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.840 I think that Starbucks and McDonald's and all these other 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.480 companies that are actually not BDS targets being scared to 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:42.280 be associated with Israeli occupation state is also good. Don't 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.000 get so much on a high horse about colonialism. Also 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.040 learn about like the colonial history and reality of North 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.000 America and try to work towards like supporting nentip clinial 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:56.320 struggle there, because to me feels like the utmost of 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.280 hypocrisy to be like I know and the last ongoing 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.280 occupation in the world and ignore the occupation that you 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.080 might be living on and benefit from. Personally, I think 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.040 that I think it insulates. I think it does important 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.480 work towards BILLY and building international solidarity and building anti 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.040 colonial resistance around the world. To talk about the interconnection 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:23.640 between different kinds of colonialism and anti colonial struggle, and 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.760 it also insulates our movements against claims of anti Semitism 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.840 and other things to be like, no, it's nothing special 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.600 about the Israeli state. Israeli state is a really bad 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:36.520 example of settler colonialism, as is the United States, as 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.280 is Canada, and be able to talk about all of 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.880 those things as different sides of the same kinds of 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.360 like genocidal systems. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.920 In addition to sharing her impressions of Palestine with us, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.840 Ava also shared some moments of her day to day 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.040 life there. These small moments of joy are something that war, 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:01.080 genocide and violence try to take from Palestinian people, and 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.280 so the experience of joy is a form of resistance 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:04.960 in itself. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.720 I am here in a tiny courtyard. There are birds 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.000 chirping you can see, or some sounds of the street. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.679 I can see some flowers and beautiful plants, next to 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.480 an incredibly fancy house that a family fled from and 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.920 is now renting to the organization I'm working with, and 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:29.119 in turn housing also another family of one of the 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.680 doctors here. And so it feels so strangely peaceful, very 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:38.360 confusing to the senses. Anyway, that's enough for now. I'm 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:39.520 signing off by. 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.520 If there's anything that you want people to know that 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.800 we haven't seen or like that hasn't been being showed, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.119 Like I know, the actual atrocity is far, far greater 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.040 than the stiffers we're seeing, But I guess, having been 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:58.160 on the ground, what is something that maybe you want 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.359 people to know that we aren't getting across on our phones. 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.280 I guess the best way I can answer that is, like, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:14.199 it's not particularly original, but remembering that cousins are just people, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.680 and they're living their lives and trying to exist. They're 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:25.200 just people, and everyone and everything that they've known has 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:32.040 been irrevocably altered, whether they've been murdered, seriously injured, had 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.120 their entire family taken from them and never recovered. All 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:40.280 the landmarks they grew up around, all the trees that 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.840 they hung out under, all the places that they prayed 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:51.480 and ate and got into trouble, everything has gone. And 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:57.680 thirty some thousand murdered, sixty some thousand injured does not 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:02.760 represent any part of anywhere near the majority of the 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.200 horror that people are experiencing. But I think it's worthwhile 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.639 remembering that and also that like numbers are not at 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.200 all representative, and also just thought like some people are 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.800 political here, some people are critical, most of them They'll 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.040 give you damn. I just want to live. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.560 It Could Happen Here as a production of cool Zone Media. 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.399 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.720 cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.320 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.679 You can find sources for It Could Happen Here, Updated 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.800 monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening,