Speaker 1: M. The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 1: the backfield's flooding down the sideline. He is Hanging with
Speaker 1: the Boys, presented by Windstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now,
Speaker 1: your hosts, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
Speaker 1: Yo yo yo, Welcome to the s WBC Mortgage Bedroom,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to another episode of Hanging with the
Speaker 1: Boys in different locations. How you do? Hey man? Hey?
Speaker 1: What got Hey man? What's the old guy that used
Speaker 1: to come on? And he's had he's much a shadow
Speaker 1: of It's an old and white m used to have
Speaker 1: a shadow. He's like and he used to have all
Speaker 1: these The next episode, Hey, hey, shadow, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh my god, like a guy? Wow yeah,
Speaker 1: let us know what you think of him? So you say,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead off. Okay, you guys are looking good.
Speaker 1: Jesse got his Hot Boys hat on, Nate's got his uh,
Speaker 1: his jersey's actually a whole uniform on? What what uniform is?
Speaker 1: That game? That was a younger slim nad that's super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's something that y'all don't know about yet.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were. I didn't know you were
Speaker 1: hot boys, Jesse. Yeah, they say hot boys, not just
Speaker 1: you know, on the field. It's a mentality. They're doing
Speaker 1: good things in the community right now, So I can
Speaker 1: wrap it to the hot boys. They keep doing that community.
Speaker 1: See that Pro Bowl when it used to be real
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, y'all see that? Yeah, okay, nice. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: need to take a tool one of these shows, Nate
Speaker 1: will take a tool around your house and see all
Speaker 1: your not no, you won't not no, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want picture. No. I was just bow just having a
Speaker 1: little fun. You can stop with that shot. And I
Speaker 1: love you, but not that much. Yeah, oh man, all right,
Speaker 1: let's go. It's been it's been a week since we talk.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is becoming the new normal. I
Speaker 1: think everybody you know, I've talked to a lot of
Speaker 1: different people through webexes and things like that, UM conference calls,
Speaker 1: and it feels like everybody's kind of starting to settle
Speaker 1: in is this is kind of the new normal. So Nate,
Speaker 1: are you are you getting adjusted to to this being
Speaker 1: the new normal? For it? Sounds like what's going to
Speaker 1: be the next several weeks. Well, Shannon, I'm glad you
Speaker 1: act said because and I'm quite sure with all you guys,
Speaker 1: we do my Sunday school classes by by via this
Speaker 1: way we do my church like we don't our Sunday
Speaker 1: school classes basically like this what we're doing here, But
Speaker 1: my church, we just we all tune inside pastor and uh.
Speaker 1: Then I have a few friends that when they want
Speaker 1: to wrap at me, you know, I know about face
Speaker 1: facetiming now and so, which I don't mind doing. But
Speaker 1: all know me, I'm a personal guy. When y'all text
Speaker 1: me a lot of times, you know, I'll go one
Speaker 1: text and then I'm calling. I like to I like
Speaker 1: to feel like I'm touching the person, you know. But
Speaker 1: I'll adapt to whatever way. Man. Because the stories we
Speaker 1: had before we got on this deal with certain family
Speaker 1: members and stuff like this, Man, I want to do
Speaker 1: my part even more now to make sure that everybody
Speaker 1: else has a chance to survive. Yeah, Kurt, what have
Speaker 1: I know You've been really busy with the book, so
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've gotten to breathe much the
Speaker 1: last week or so, But are you are you settling
Speaker 1: into this kind of being the new you know, every
Speaker 1: day for you. Yeah, it's it's kind of we were
Speaker 1: talking a little bit earlier Matt and I about how
Speaker 1: the weekend was, and there ain't much difference now between
Speaker 1: the weekend and the and the work week. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of all running together. But yeah, I we're
Speaker 1: getting used to it. We're you know, trying to trying
Speaker 1: to get out, trying to stay or you know, walks
Speaker 1: and things like that, trying to stay active in the
Speaker 1: house a little bit and get some fresh air. But
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say we're totally adjusted. I'd love to be
Speaker 1: back seeing you guys in person, but you know, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. We'll make the best of it. Yeah, Jesse,
Speaker 1: I know you're probably still sore from doing all your
Speaker 1: push ups, But what do you h are you doing
Speaker 1: these days to to I guess kind of stay in
Speaker 1: shape or are you able to get any workouts in?
Speaker 1: Are you able to get outside? And are you kind
Speaker 1: of settling into this be the new norm. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate every bit of it. Um one. I hate here.
Speaker 1: Here's what I really hate it. I hate being told
Speaker 1: what to do, like you gotta stay in the household,
Speaker 1: you gotta do. I ain't being told what to do.
Speaker 1: I like to go and and and and when I
Speaker 1: you know, to come and go as I please. But
Speaker 1: I've been able to you know, hit workouts in and
Speaker 1: just you know, relaxing, uh, just chill. But this, this,
Speaker 1: this isn't me like I'm I'm I'm a busy good
Speaker 1: like I'm always on wing, whether it's with you guys,
Speaker 1: or at the school or speaking engagement or training guys.
Speaker 1: I'm always on the go, always moving. So for me
Speaker 1: to kind of be sitting uh, you know, isolated and
Speaker 1: and and to me, this this is we I have
Speaker 1: to adapt to it. I have to accept it. But
Speaker 1: I'll shore man, I'll be so glad when this thing
Speaker 1: is over with. You don't have to like it, right,
Speaker 1: you have to do it, but you don't have to
Speaker 1: enjoy doing it. I don't. I don't. I don't shout
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Speaker 1: we get ten times more than any of those other shows.
Speaker 1: So that's true. I do fall short sometimes, but it's
Speaker 1: not from lack of effort. It's it's usually things outside
Speaker 1: of my control. Like but all those other shows one
Speaker 1: hundred percent work for the cowboys, so they can probably
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Speaker 1: We are kind of a mixed bad group right here.
Speaker 1: We're all we're all over the place. We all have
Speaker 1: a common interest in the common employment for the cowboys,
Speaker 1: but we're not all one hundred percent employed by the
Speaker 1: cowboy like those other shows. No, all right, let's get
Speaker 1: let's get into a little bit of football, and I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure by the last segment we will this thing
Speaker 1: will fall completely off the rails like it usually does,
Speaker 1: but we'll try to hold it on the rails for
Speaker 1: the first couple of seconds. You never said, you're all
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Yeah, I'm doing great, man. I'm living
Speaker 1: sure new place, getting I'm getting settled into your No,
Speaker 1: I've been telling everybody like, hey, if we can, if
Speaker 1: we can make it through this the first time living
Speaker 1: with each other and being around each other twenty four seven,
Speaker 1: And you can't leave, You can't get mad and go
Speaker 1: go down to the bar and have a drink. Like
Speaker 1: you get mad, you go to the fridge and you
Speaker 1: get a beer and you sit on the couch next
Speaker 1: to the person you're bad, So like you can't get away.
Speaker 1: So we can get through this, like we we can
Speaker 1: get through anything. But now it's been good. We it
Speaker 1: actually came in a great time, you know, with us
Speaker 1: moving able to unpack boxes and um kind of get
Speaker 1: the apartment in order, and then it gives us time
Speaker 1: to go get outside and take walks and do things
Speaker 1: that we probably normally wouldn't do. And really just honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean we've we've been together over a year, but
Speaker 1: just honestly getting to getting to know each other and
Speaker 1: spend time together, and it's it's it's been, you know,
Speaker 1: I hate that it's happening. I'm like Jesse, I'm always
Speaker 1: on the go, Like I cannot stand to sit at
Speaker 1: the house. But I've found other things to keep me
Speaker 1: occupied that I normally wouldn't do, you know, like just
Speaker 1: doing different things that I would normally i'd be playing
Speaker 1: video games. I've been trying to take the time that
Speaker 1: I have instead of doing it on something and wasting
Speaker 1: like on a video game or something like that, trying
Speaker 1: to find something constructive and creative to do. So it's
Speaker 1: and honestly, I am busier with work now than I
Speaker 1: have been since a season ended. So I've been on
Speaker 1: conference calls and video calls like non stop with the bunch.
Speaker 1: Everybody's got different initiatives going on around the company right now,
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out a different way to deliver
Speaker 1: content to our fans and do some things that are
Speaker 1: out of the box. So it's been it's been super busy,
Speaker 1: but it's been good. It's been really good. All right.
Speaker 1: So now all the football. So this was a male
Speaker 1: bad question that Kurt sent me. M Have the Cowboys
Speaker 1: done enough in free agency? Are you know? They're still
Speaker 1: concerns at cornerback, defensive line, safety, slot receiver. Are are
Speaker 1: they set up to have a productive draft and just
Speaker 1: go after I guess best available no matter what position?
Speaker 1: Do you guys? Start with you, Jesse, because you haven't
Speaker 1: talked very much and we're already ten minutes into the show,
Speaker 1: so you're probably ready to roll or what do you think?
Speaker 1: Have they done enough in free agency? Um? No they haven't.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I want us to be cautious about,
Speaker 1: like we always want to go after then we always
Speaker 1: wanted to go you know after the the record out
Speaker 1: of any that we know across the league, here's what
Speaker 1: I will said. They've done. They set themselves up for
Speaker 1: the draft not having to go in and be so
Speaker 1: they're not. They didn't handicaps something going onto the draft.
Speaker 1: In years past they had to go on and get
Speaker 1: you know, a certain guy. That guy wasn't there. Their
Speaker 1: whole draft was busted. They've given theirself enough cushion to
Speaker 1: go onto the draft and say, hey, if this guy's
Speaker 1: there at seventeen, that that guy's there at seventeen, we
Speaker 1: could take either or and be Okay, We're not pigeonholed
Speaker 1: to go in there and getting one guy or one
Speaker 1: specific position in this year's draft. But I still think
Speaker 1: they could addressed some war areas in free agency. But
Speaker 1: I do believe what these uncertain times that we're in
Speaker 1: has hindered what they've been able to do because they
Speaker 1: haven't been able to do medicals, do interviews, just work
Speaker 1: guys out this physically sit in front of a guy
Speaker 1: and talk to him and see what he's about. They
Speaker 1: made some questionable signing this offseason, but they could have
Speaker 1: done a little bit more. They were kind of like
Speaker 1: landing the weeds. But they set the ups up so
Speaker 1: that they can go into the drive and doesn't they
Speaker 1: don't have to be pigeonholed of getting one specific position.
Speaker 1: I believe that not only an unknown with this virus,
Speaker 1: but an unknown with the coaching staff. They may have
Speaker 1: worked together all during the offseason, you know, taping games, uh,
Speaker 1: doing uh little setups for games as though they were
Speaker 1: still active coaching. But until we know who they are,
Speaker 1: until they know who they are with the players that
Speaker 1: they've gotten in this limited market, I'm just gonna kind
Speaker 1: of hold be neutral right here. I'm not gonna ride
Speaker 1: the fence because I think we should have been set
Speaker 1: up better coming out of last year than we are now.
Speaker 1: We let a lot of guys get free over the
Speaker 1: last few years who we should have been talking to
Speaker 1: and trying to keep in the house, but we didn't.
Speaker 1: So right about now, I'm just gonna wait and see
Speaker 1: how this new coaches staff I'm talking about this defensive
Speaker 1: coaches staff are owned with the special team coaches staff.
Speaker 1: I wanted to just see how they put things together,
Speaker 1: because brothers, y'all know, we just piecemeal right now, That's
Speaker 1: all it is. We went out and got Poled, we
Speaker 1: went out and got McCoy. We signed to some dbs,
Speaker 1: but the dbs are more special team guys than actual
Speaker 1: cover guys. So I'm in the middle right now. Kurt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. I mean, it depends on how you
Speaker 1: look at it. And really their free agency is signing
Speaker 1: their own guys. I mean, they spent big money on Murray.
Speaker 1: Look at last year with DeMarcus, with Zeke. I mean
Speaker 1: that's their focus. You know, they haven't signed that I
Speaker 1: can remember. They haven't signed a big free agent deal
Speaker 1: since Brandon Carr and that was what six seven years
Speaker 1: ago something like that, So it's just not their bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not their priority anymore. They want to sign the
Speaker 1: big car directs to their own people, and I guess
Speaker 1: that's working out. I mean, you're glad you got Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke long term, you hope works out. Same
Speaker 1: with the Mario. I mean, there's question marks with all
Speaker 1: of them, but I don't know if we're going to
Speaker 1: see a big name come in here anymore. So they're
Speaker 1: kind of signing guys for depth, kind of filling in
Speaker 1: holes and with you know, one year deals with like
Speaker 1: McCoy or I mean, polding some of these guys. Is
Speaker 1: it the right way to go. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I do think that they are set up at least
Speaker 1: where they can draft the best player available in that
Speaker 1: first round and overall that can they make a big
Speaker 1: difference change the whole scene in one draft. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they can, but that's kind of the round
Speaker 1: that been going. The thing is, y'all men, I agree
Speaker 1: with it, but it points his way. Everybody has identity,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that Cowboys have a lockdown identity,
Speaker 1: but we know from the last five years all about
Speaker 1: our offense. It's all about our offense, and they're still
Speaker 1: trying to glue together the defense they're gonna try it from.
Speaker 1: But they're gonna they're gonna have a high bred three
Speaker 1: four or four three defense with a lot of the
Speaker 1: nickel packages in most of the time. But until we
Speaker 1: get some solid pieces on defense that you can count
Speaker 1: on besides d Law, you know, this is how it's
Speaker 1: gonna look. This is how it's gonna look. I mean,
Speaker 1: we went through it last hit the year before, and
Speaker 1: it's been it's been about like our winning and losing.
Speaker 1: It's been every other every other year of success or
Speaker 1: none success. So as you go out and would you
Speaker 1: spend big money on a you know, clown ear or
Speaker 1: Tremaine Johnson or no, no, no, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this method can't work because Kansas City does this with
Speaker 1: their defense. Uh, the Ravens up until they drafted that
Speaker 1: quarterback that they have, they basically did that with their offense.
Speaker 1: So teams have specific identities and what they believe in
Speaker 1: and where they spend their money. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's wrong, But when do we get successful at that?
Speaker 1: I mean, Jesse, I mean, how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, because I know you you you a big
Speaker 1: power offensive guy. Yeah you say five years, I go
Speaker 1: fifty years. I mean even back when you were playing,
Speaker 1: this thing was always about offense. You know you you that, Yes,
Speaker 1: I can't hear you, Jesse, So no, I was saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, this thing has always been about offense for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, that all the big names and the big
Speaker 1: money has always been spent on offense. And so when
Speaker 1: you see a guy like Zeke gets signed, and you
Speaker 1: see a guy like uh um Amori gets signed, those things,
Speaker 1: to me, are are are basically what they who they are.
Speaker 1: They they've they've always been one that's going to sign
Speaker 1: the you know, the big names from their teams. They
Speaker 1: want to they want to have the jersey sales, they
Speaker 1: want to have uh to be able to play on
Speaker 1: a big time Sunday and Monday night football games, you
Speaker 1: need the names to go and do those type of things.
Speaker 1: But defensively, the thing what this team is is I
Speaker 1: just truly believe the way that the NFL is going
Speaker 1: the whole having these you know Ravens or eighty five
Speaker 1: bear defenses, those things are long gone. It's all about now,
Speaker 1: how you can go and get thirty thirty five plus
Speaker 1: points a game. Please don't argue me with that. We
Speaker 1: don't have to score thirty plus points a game. I've
Speaker 1: argued with the guy right that for a year about that,
Speaker 1: and that came to be true. We're not gonna argue
Speaker 1: about you gotta score thirty plus points a game to
Speaker 1: be a contender in this league. Um, you just need you.
Speaker 1: Here's what you need for your defense. You need your defense,
Speaker 1: and that you always kind of go back to this
Speaker 1: kind of like Kansas City. Um, I just need you
Speaker 1: to be good enough to get a stop or two
Speaker 1: when necessary. I don't I don't need world beaters. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't need the eighty five Bears. I just
Speaker 1: need you to go out there and get when when
Speaker 1: it's when it's you know, thirty five thirty, I need
Speaker 1: you to get a stop. It's in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: we're up thirty five thirty. Here's why I need you
Speaker 1: to get a stop. I don't need you to hold
Speaker 1: a team to fourteen points anymore because we can only
Speaker 1: score seventeen. No, we're gonna score thirty plus points a game.
Speaker 1: I just need you in those critical moments before the half,
Speaker 1: at the end of ball games, when I need you
Speaker 1: to make a play defense. That's when I need a
Speaker 1: sack or pass breakup or something that happened or turnover.
Speaker 1: I need something to happen for the defense I don't need.
Speaker 1: I don't need the eighty five Bears. I don't need
Speaker 1: the two thousand Ravens. I just need a defense good
Speaker 1: enough that when we're getting those crucial moments that you're
Speaker 1: not gonna give up the third down on thirty nine,
Speaker 1: that you're not gonna let the ball get behind you,
Speaker 1: you know, get behind your head on third and long.
Speaker 1: I need you when when we're when we're putting that
Speaker 1: pressure on to get home, get the sack, don't miss
Speaker 1: the sack. Or when that intercept it hits your hands,
Speaker 1: catch it, don't drop it, turn your head, deflect it.
Speaker 1: That's all I need because I have an offense that's
Speaker 1: built to score thirty plus points a game. And if
Speaker 1: they can do that and you can just get us
Speaker 1: be our biggest problem. We just couldn't get. Stop's gonna
Speaker 1: stop from needed. And it's been that way for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Now. Have they done enough in this
Speaker 1: free agency to be able to take the U the
Speaker 1: best available player in the draft or is or is
Speaker 1: that or do they still need to go defense. I
Speaker 1: feel like they're gonna say I have to go defense
Speaker 1: because that theory that Jared's Jess talking about, That's what
Speaker 1: I've been preaching. But right before the half, can you
Speaker 1: get a play right right at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: can you make a play? Uh, we don't have that playmaker.
Speaker 1: We beside the Marcus Lawrence, we don't have that guy
Speaker 1: that we know that can possibly make that play. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I've been seeing where they they've been
Speaker 1: talking about this kid. I'm in Oklahoma, a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of guys saying he gonna fall to us if
Speaker 1: they get the guy. I'm not gonna be mad, but
Speaker 1: that puts even more pressure on our defense. I think
Speaker 1: to um to make them plays, it's gonna come. What
Speaker 1: what you think, Jesse about three or four plays a
Speaker 1: half that you can count on for your defense. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: that's a nice play. It's just possible game changing. So
Speaker 1: you still have to get somebody to cover somebody. I
Speaker 1: don't care what you do, you're gonna have to steal
Speaker 1: cover somebody. In cornerbacks at a premium, Uh not so much.
Speaker 1: Safeties of high bred linebackers and safeties. I had, I
Speaker 1: had a premium in this draft. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: can get one, you you're going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see if they I think
Speaker 1: that they can do best available on defense. I mean
Speaker 1: they're set up for that because they got so many
Speaker 1: holes they need to feel. But I think you're were
Speaker 1: you're talking about the wide receiver in Oklahoma, Lamb. I
Speaker 1: think was that who you were talking about? They just
Speaker 1: surely you surely they wouldn't go for a receiver in
Speaker 1: the first round, would they? And now I'm just saying
Speaker 1: those the national guys talking about food ass. But you know,
Speaker 1: if they come up with an offensive guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: would you be totally shocked? You know? So you know,
Speaker 1: let me don't ask you this, Nate. If you do that,
Speaker 1: if you can score thirty five thirty thirty five points
Speaker 1: a game, is that okay? If that's how you're you're building,
Speaker 1: if that's how you're gonna if that's how you're gonna win.
Speaker 1: See one thing you gotta like about when you look
Speaker 1: at Kansas City as much as they throw the ball,
Speaker 1: as much as we talk about my homes every week,
Speaker 1: y'all heard me say Did you see how many yards
Speaker 1: this quarterback ran far? Did you see how they closed
Speaker 1: the game out with that running back? Running Backs are closers.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are everything A plus a closer. He like you
Speaker 1: tell Cy Young Award winner, they can do it all.
Speaker 1: They can pitch six seven, shoutout in it, or they
Speaker 1: can go to distance, go nine and close it out.
Speaker 1: That's what Mahomes is. He can run the ball. He
Speaker 1: ran the ball on the average and maybe fifty fifty
Speaker 1: yards a game. Just stay enough to keep everybody in
Speaker 1: their past lanes in them. Dak and then Dak is
Speaker 1: not this kid, but Dak has some of those traits.
Speaker 1: Dak used to be a closer. Last year things went
Speaker 1: a little haywire, and he wants that consistent closer that
Speaker 1: we look for. But if Dad can get back to
Speaker 1: his old winning ways or being calful with the ball
Speaker 1: as well as getting it down feel like he did
Speaker 1: this year, and just running a little more when allowed,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have to do it thirty five points a game.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. All I want is wins.
Speaker 1: But your defense do have to play a part, all right,
Speaker 1: Let's get to our first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: So many things to talk about Aldan Smith, Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: talking about Amari Cooper. I'm really interested to get Jesse stops.
Speaker 1: I think I know what direction he's gonna go with this.
Speaker 1: And I'm so so glad that I don't have access
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Speaker 1: And speaking of Kurt, you've been working on You've been
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Speaker 1: All right, I'm just gonna jump right in this. I
Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna get to it later, but
Speaker 1: I will. I cannot wait to hear what Jesse has
Speaker 1: to say about this? Uh, Rex Ryan on what show
Speaker 1: was he on? Kurt? I was one of the ESPN shows.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure which which one thing's gonna get up. Um.
Speaker 1: I had some things to say about Amari Cooper and basically, Jesse,
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what he said, Tell everybody
Speaker 1: what he said, tell us your thoughts on it. I
Speaker 1: can't wait. Well, like anything, the Cowboys are always on
Speaker 1: the A block of everyone's programming. And so they were
Speaker 1: talking about the Mary Cooper signing he had just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, recently signed for one hundred million dollars. And
Speaker 1: the question that was passed around the table was was
Speaker 1: he worth it? You know, was signing a Mary Coop
Speaker 1: worth it? You know you haven't got Dak signed. Was
Speaker 1: the signing worth it? And they went around and they
Speaker 1: finally got to old Rex Ryan. Now Here's where what
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with. Just like us, they
Speaker 1: pay these people to get on TV to analyze and
Speaker 1: at times be critical of someone's game. And Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: talked about how Maria Cooper disappeared in games, called him
Speaker 1: a disappearing act and uh, and some may believe that,
Speaker 1: and you know, say that he had, you know, issues
Speaker 1: with you know, cutting off routes, and had an issue
Speaker 1: with him not being in the fourth quarter on that
Speaker 1: fourth down play, with the game on the line of season,
Speaker 1: on the line of him not being down and in
Speaker 1: the game on that fourth fourth downplay. I have no
Speaker 1: problem with those things. Here's where I have a problem
Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan. When you begin to call a man
Speaker 1: out of his name, now, Rex Ryan, then we'll be
Speaker 1: going to say that I wouldn't pay that turd a dime.
Speaker 1: Basically saying a cleaned up version is I wouldn't pay
Speaker 1: that piece of bleep a dime. That's that's when you
Speaker 1: lose me. When you come out another man and you
Speaker 1: call him out of his name, That right there is
Speaker 1: when you cross the line. There has to be a
Speaker 1: level of respect that is given across the board. You
Speaker 1: may not like me, you may not like my game,
Speaker 1: you may not like what I've done in the field,
Speaker 1: But when you begin to say things personally, my mother
Speaker 1: didn't name me turd. Mary's mother didn't name him turd.
Speaker 1: So you can have all the ill will feelings you
Speaker 1: want about how his game is, or how he plays
Speaker 1: his game, or what he'd done on the field. But
Speaker 1: when you begin to call a man out of his name,
Speaker 1: that's when you cross the line from me. That's when
Speaker 1: it becomes way unprofessional. That's when it comes. As we
Speaker 1: like to say, the young people like to say, that's
Speaker 1: when you got to see these hands, because that's uncalled
Speaker 1: for it. And I'm all, i'm I'm I don't like
Speaker 1: people who don't put you know, one who don't put
Speaker 1: their name on stuff. And then the second thing is,
Speaker 1: I don't like people. Rex would never say that to
Speaker 1: a Maria Cooper's face. He can get on TV all
Speaker 1: he want and try to talk all tough and brash
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But if a Maria
Speaker 1: was standing six feet were practicing social distancing, if a
Speaker 1: Maria was standing six feet away from Rex Ryan, he
Speaker 1: would have never called him a turd to his face.
Speaker 1: And I have a real big problem with that man.
Speaker 1: And then and then you come give, you know, a
Speaker 1: half apology on TV. And ESPN is at fault for
Speaker 1: this as well, because why make why make Rex Ryan
Speaker 1: apologize when ESPN you're the one who cut the audience.
Speaker 1: Put it on, get up, put it on on social
Speaker 1: media for all of us to view it so you
Speaker 1: were you were playing an even bigger part than this.
Speaker 1: As the company, you should have had more coouth and
Speaker 1: had more uh respect for your brand. And for Marie
Speaker 1: Cooper to not even cut that up and to put
Speaker 1: it out on social media, I mean ESPN and Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan all across the board that they showed very little
Speaker 1: respectful Marie. They showed very little couth, They showed very
Speaker 1: little just everything. And to me that that's unacceptable. And
Speaker 1: if I was a Mari what I'm not He's not me,
Speaker 1: I'm not him. If I ever came across Rex Ryan,
Speaker 1: he and I would have to have a real serious
Speaker 1: conversation they was that surprising for you to hear from
Speaker 1: a former coach to to to speak like that about
Speaker 1: about a player? Or is that you know? I heard
Speaker 1: when I compadres when guys, uh that works, and I
Speaker 1: feel said sound like he was very unprepared and he
Speaker 1: ran out of words and so we got to see
Speaker 1: the real Rex Ryan. So like, uh so we got
Speaker 1: to see the real Rex. So now that's what you feel,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you just a hundred percent. And that's
Speaker 1: all I have to say on that, because that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I think Brad sham for because I
Speaker 1: used to be out there kind of talking ill of players,
Speaker 1: kind of calling him out of the names and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and and Brad looked at me like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know, it's hard to tell to
Speaker 1: show us what is wrong, and it's on film through
Speaker 1: expression of your your vocabulary. But to just call a
Speaker 1: man out of his name. You don't know this man personally,
Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, keep it professional. Tell us
Speaker 1: what he what's you know? Yeah, he breaks off his routes.
Speaker 1: Yeah he disappeared in a few games. Yeah he was
Speaker 1: not and there in the fourth quarter. We know that.
Speaker 1: Tell us why this happened, give us a little more insight.
Speaker 1: But to just call all the amount of his name,
Speaker 1: you know, especially if this man was to confront you
Speaker 1: about it, knee, you got no apologize. Now you got
Speaker 1: to buy down with your tail between your legs. And
Speaker 1: you don't want to be put in that position as
Speaker 1: a man, you know, forcing another man to come to
Speaker 1: you in that in that in that way. So I
Speaker 1: agree with you, Jess. Yeah, and Jesse, you and you
Speaker 1: and Nate both know this. Players, players, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is their job and it's just like anybody else in
Speaker 1: their job. When you know, sometimes your boss, which is
Speaker 1: your coach or your position coach, sometimes they have to
Speaker 1: they have to call you out a little bit, or
Speaker 1: they have to push you, or they have to, you know,
Speaker 1: it's their job coming after a game and point out where,
Speaker 1: you know, where you didn't perform well, right, So they're
Speaker 1: used to that and they'll sit down. And I've seen
Speaker 1: this happen on the team plane flying back from games
Speaker 1: where somebody, you know, whether it's a Nick Eatman or
Speaker 1: you know, Rob Phillips or someone, they'll stop a player
Speaker 1: as they're walking back to the player's section and they'll say, hey,
Speaker 1: what happened on this play? And the players know, and
Speaker 1: they're forthcoming and honest, and they'll say, I missed my
Speaker 1: assignment or I did this, or this is what I
Speaker 1: thought was happening, and this is why that happened. So
Speaker 1: they're used to being criticized, they're used to being called out.
Speaker 1: They're used to and they'll and they'll, you know, they
Speaker 1: appreciate the honesty because they know the media has a
Speaker 1: job to do. But I think you guys are right
Speaker 1: when it's you know, when you start attacking someone's character,
Speaker 1: or you start attacking you know, someone's name or something
Speaker 1: like that. Talk about the football stuff all you want,
Speaker 1: but once it crosses that line to where you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're calling out names, I think that's probably where
Speaker 1: the issue is with this thing, because you can have
Speaker 1: the opinion of him not being worth the money, but
Speaker 1: once you start going down that other route, that's that's
Speaker 1: when it kind of loses me as well. So that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. Man, it's it's it's respect. It's it's
Speaker 1: having respect and as a man, as a man, that
Speaker 1: should always be li number one when dealing with another man,
Speaker 1: like there has to be a level of respect that
Speaker 1: is there. And when that respect line is broken, then
Speaker 1: then you no longer see me as a man. You
Speaker 1: see me less than that. And if you see me
Speaker 1: less than that, then I have to I have to
Speaker 1: address and I have to handle you differently. But there
Speaker 1: should always be a level of respect, expectingly when you're
Speaker 1: talking about being on national TV. If if you can't
Speaker 1: handle yourself in a respectful, appropriate manner, then they need
Speaker 1: to find someone else to do that job. This isn't
Speaker 1: This isn't This isn't where you can just go and
Speaker 1: just say this stuff willy nilly, because there are consequences
Speaker 1: for that. There are other people on the other end
Speaker 1: of your comments that have to receive that, and how
Speaker 1: they receive that can can ultimately be not in the
Speaker 1: best interest or best favor for you. That's all the
Speaker 1: things most players, and as a as a former player,
Speaker 1: I had no problem with anyone criticizing my game, criticizing
Speaker 1: my talent. I had no problem with that. That's what
Speaker 1: they that's what they pay you to do. They pay
Speaker 1: you to analyze and to criticize. I have no problem
Speaker 1: with that. The only problem I will ever have with anyone, anyone,
Speaker 1: is when you don't treat me with the respect that
Speaker 1: I deserve as a man. And my mother didn't name
Speaker 1: me anything other than Jesse Holly, So when you begin
Speaker 1: to call me other things than that, that's when you
Speaker 1: and I have a problem. I can't call it Jess,
Speaker 1: I can't call you mister fourth and long in the
Speaker 1: mong you only you, though, only you, only you, only
Speaker 1: you by would change that Twitter handle. Then, Jesse, how
Speaker 1: do you think Amara is going to handle this? As
Speaker 1: far as you know, with new contracts, with big contracts
Speaker 1: come big expectations. He's gonna get criticized more. Do you
Speaker 1: think he's gonna handle it all right? Do you think
Speaker 1: he's gonna step up? Are we gonna see more from
Speaker 1: his game? Remember Mari, when he came over from Oakland,
Speaker 1: he was criticized. They said they didn't love football. They said,
Speaker 1: they said the same thing that we're here now. I
Speaker 1: didn't love football. They said that. You know, he was
Speaker 1: someone who didn't always show up all the time. When
Speaker 1: you're a player like Amari Cooper, when you go to
Speaker 1: you know you're the top players in the country, and
Speaker 1: you go to the Alabamas, you're so used to being criticized.
Speaker 1: You this is This isn't the first time a Mari
Speaker 1: has heard criticism. This isn't the first time a Mari
Speaker 1: has been negati things have been said about him. I mean,
Speaker 1: go back to high school. I'm pretty sure, Kurt. If
Speaker 1: you dug up some high school articles, you can find something.
Speaker 1: If you dug up some college articles, you can find something.
Speaker 1: I would love to see. What is uh if you
Speaker 1: look at his um You know, Kurt, you're doing the
Speaker 1: draft stuff now. They always have these draft boards and
Speaker 1: everybody has the pros and cons of what this player is,
Speaker 1: what he'll be at the next level. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of criticism in there. So for a Mari,
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time he's heard criticism. It won't
Speaker 1: be the last time he's heard criticism, and he'll take
Speaker 1: it like he's always done, with grace, with class. He's
Speaker 1: not a guy who's gonna come back and be vocal
Speaker 1: and be loquacious and what is the thing that he
Speaker 1: says and be you know, shot shooting shots back at Rex.
Speaker 1: Ryan mar is gonna say, hey, man, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. They call me mister Cooper. When I go
Speaker 1: into the bank, they called me mister They call me
Speaker 1: mister Cooper when I go into Wolfs Fargo, b of
Speaker 1: A or Chase or whatever. Those hundred million dollars that
Speaker 1: he'll put in the bank wherever they go. I promise
Speaker 1: you they don't call him a turn in there. I
Speaker 1: promise you. They call him mister Cooper and he gets
Speaker 1: first class service when he goes into the bank. So, dude,
Speaker 1: as players, you don't have to name names whatever, but
Speaker 1: as players, did you have teammates that you saw criticism
Speaker 1: get to him or anything, or do most guys able
Speaker 1: to shake that over. Oh yeah, let me say this, Curt,
Speaker 1: let me say this right here. Only the elite get criticized.
Speaker 1: Everybody else has just lumped together. I'm I'm being honest.
Speaker 1: I mean, mar has been elite on every level he's played. Now,
Speaker 1: whether he's been consistent with that elite list that, you
Speaker 1: may can criticize that, but elite, route runner, elite, speed,
Speaker 1: elite coming out of breaks, elite knowing his plays and
Speaker 1: knowing where to go. Now you may have questioned some
Speaker 1: of those desires that time, some of that will that time,
Speaker 1: but he's elite. Believe that he is elite. That's why
Speaker 1: he's being criticized. And he he's a different cat too, man.
Speaker 1: He's he's especially at the and you know this first hand,
Speaker 1: Jesse at the wide receiver position. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of people are you know me me me,
Speaker 1: and really flamboyant and really out there. And he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a very thoughtful guy. And he doesn't talk a lot,
Speaker 1: but when he talks, it's very calculated and it's very
Speaker 1: you know, it's very thought out, and he thinks about
Speaker 1: everything and he'll you know, he stops and he pauses
Speaker 1: and he thinks. So if he puts something out there
Speaker 1: and that's you know, you know he he did he
Speaker 1: disappear in a few games this year. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: taken out of a few games. But I would and
Speaker 1: I don't know this off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: but Kurt Ben, this is something you have come across.
Speaker 1: But I'd like to see you're DeAndre Hopkins, You're Julio Jones.
Speaker 1: Are they taken out of a two or three games,
Speaker 1: a couple of games, one or two games a year
Speaker 1: where they only have one catch or two catches? And
Speaker 1: is it maybe just emphasize more because he's on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and he is so quiet and he's not outspoken
Speaker 1: and he doesn't let things bother him. If it's made
Speaker 1: more of a bigger deal, or if if that's really
Speaker 1: kind of an issue with him as he's able to
Speaker 1: be taken out of games, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: the answer to that. I think stats. I think with
Speaker 1: those other guys, if you play this position, if you
Speaker 1: play any position, running back, quarterback, whatever it is, if
Speaker 1: you're if you're you think deons centers, never anyone, no
Speaker 1: one that ever had a hundred yard receiving game on him.
Speaker 1: Yes they have. Do you think you know you think
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin. Do you think Julio Jones has never had
Speaker 1: a game where they didn't have over fifty yards? Yes?
Speaker 1: They have. You ever think Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: had never had games where they just had flat out
Speaker 1: bad games, multiple interceptions. Yes, they have running backs being
Speaker 1: Walter Payton, Ima Smith, Zeke Elliott have bad Yes, everyone
Speaker 1: everyone has them. The biggest thing this is just to
Speaker 1: me that sticks out with a Maori and his criticism
Speaker 1: is his history of him quote unquote, I don't believe
Speaker 1: this quote unquote not loving football and disappearing and not
Speaker 1: having a love for the game. And you see him
Speaker 1: not come back in on fourth down. That's the one
Speaker 1: part because every other receiver you name it, Nate, you
Speaker 1: think Michael Irvin is not going to be on the
Speaker 1: on the biggest game of the season, in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter game on the line and it's fourth down and
Speaker 1: they're doing a passing play. You think Michael Ivan would
Speaker 1: allowed anyone to keep him on the sideline if he
Speaker 1: wasn't hurt. No, And that goes and that goes across
Speaker 1: the board. You could Michael Irvin or Dell Beckham, Julio Jones,
Speaker 1: Denandre Hopkins. It's those little plays that happened throughout the
Speaker 1: course of his season or his career. And you couple
Speaker 1: that with people saying that he doesn't love football, and
Speaker 1: you can start piecing things together that makes it look like,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe this dude really doesn't love football
Speaker 1: because he let someone keep him on the sideline in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter on fourth down on a pass the
Speaker 1: situation in the biggest game of the season. Most guys
Speaker 1: and then and then didn't fuss about it. It's one
Speaker 1: thing if he was saying, like, man, you see him
Speaker 1: on the sidelines, hooting and hollering and yelling, and you're saying, okay,
Speaker 1: he cared. But when he's when you see him on
Speaker 1: the sideline just standing there like with the with the
Speaker 1: with the with the with the puppy dog phase, you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh, he don't. He don't really care because
Speaker 1: he's just standing on the sideline like it's okay, right.
Speaker 1: But that was I guess that was my point is
Speaker 1: he's he's a different cat, and he he doesn't seem
Speaker 1: confrontational and he doesn't seem like it's kind of like
Speaker 1: it almost seems like, hey, that's what they told me
Speaker 1: to do, so that's what I did. It's not that
Speaker 1: he doesn't care, he's just not the kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe that makes a three a lot of things right,
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna go get in somebody's face and
Speaker 1: be like I need to be in there, Like maybe
Speaker 1: he's that guy that's like, that's the coach, that's what
Speaker 1: they told me to do. That's what I did, So
Speaker 1: I don't. Let's just let's just see what this year brain.
Speaker 1: Let's see what a new coaching style, a new way
Speaker 1: of doing things, Let's see what that brings. Uh, maybe
Speaker 1: these guys can we try to bring something different out
Speaker 1: of Mary He's seen he signed a team friendly deal.
Speaker 1: The cat said he wanted to be here. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: felt that they need to be here. And one thing
Speaker 1: we can say whatever we want and Jesse yours test
Speaker 1: it is whenever he lines up on the field, he
Speaker 1: makes everybody else job a little bit easy. Hey man,
Speaker 1: every everything we've said, good or not good, when he
Speaker 1: lines up, he dictate coverage. Yeah, when you got a
Speaker 1: guy to dictate coverage, that mean he's a number one wrong, right,
Speaker 1: jess Amen amen, and you see what happens when he's
Speaker 1: not on the field the Jets. What happened in that game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a game changer. So all right,
Speaker 1: let's take another quick break before Matt I'm Matt Robot
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Speaker 1: if we have some time, Kerk's got a couple of
Speaker 1: other points he wants to talk about when we come
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Speaker 1: let's talk some Alan Smith. What uh Kurt? Start with you?
Speaker 1: What what do you think when you heard the signing?
Speaker 1: I mean, hasn't been in the league in a while,
Speaker 1: He's had some some issues in the past, was a
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on it? Well, it's it seems
Speaker 1: like a risk a little bit. Um. I guess they
Speaker 1: got nothing to lose with him and not paying him
Speaker 1: a whole lot if he does make it, if he
Speaker 1: can somehow return to his old form and be a
Speaker 1: huge bonus. But you know he's gonna be thirty years
Speaker 1: old at and played since twenty fifteen, it seems like
Speaker 1: a long shot. Yeah, it's kind of a It kind
Speaker 1: of brings back memories of a Rolando McLean. If you
Speaker 1: can get him in here for a year and you know,
Speaker 1: get that type of play out of him, I guess
Speaker 1: is it worth it? Jesse? Would you think whatever you
Speaker 1: you heard about it? I guess the voice of reason
Speaker 1: and the hater of the show. I hated it. I
Speaker 1: hated it. I hated everything about it. And well, I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are saying the money part,
Speaker 1: Oh well they got him for cheap. Oh well, they
Speaker 1: got them for cheap. And my hate has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the money. I don't care what they paid them.
Speaker 1: My thing is is that you trust. You can't trust
Speaker 1: this guy. This isn't a guy that you can trust.
Speaker 1: His whole adult life. He's had issues with the law
Speaker 1: his entire adult life. He's had issues with the law,
Speaker 1: and now right even just this last summer. And I
Speaker 1: know people are saying, oh, well, Jesse, you know he
Speaker 1: You know, as the Christian man, you should be able
Speaker 1: to forgive. I have no problem with forgiving. I just
Speaker 1: don't want him on my team because you haven't played
Speaker 1: football in over four years. And four years and just
Speaker 1: eight months ago you decide to go get help. And
Speaker 1: now I'm supposed to believe, after having a history, a
Speaker 1: lifelong history of having trouble with the authorities, that in
Speaker 1: eight months you have been fixed. And I know what
Speaker 1: it is to be a Dallas cowboy. Nate knows what
Speaker 1: it is to be a Dallas cowboy. Kurt Shannon, you
Speaker 1: guys know what it is to be a Dallas cowboy.
Speaker 1: When you are in this city, on this team, you
Speaker 1: are treated like a god. You are held well above report.
Speaker 1: I mean you, you are up here. And so now, okay,
Speaker 1: we got lean, we got lean it rules now on marijuana.
Speaker 1: So I just look at this thing. Is you signed
Speaker 1: a guy who, if we're being honest right now, he's
Speaker 1: probably your day one starter at right defensive end because
Speaker 1: we don't have another defensive end. You know, on Tyrone Crawford,
Speaker 1: there's an all the defensive end. You lost Robert Quentin'.
Speaker 1: He's gonna start at your right defensive end. So now
Speaker 1: you're putting a level of a premium level of importance
Speaker 1: on a guy who you cannot trust. And so once
Speaker 1: he starts getting those reps and start getting those plays,
Speaker 1: and he may have some success. I hope he has
Speaker 1: some success. But what happens if he decides to go
Speaker 1: on and get another du by because he doesn't know
Speaker 1: the rules of how Dallas works. He you know, we've
Speaker 1: all been on that tollway after twelve o'clock, and I
Speaker 1: know the three limits at seventy five, but we all
Speaker 1: know we don't go seventy five and drinking and driving.
Speaker 1: Here's another d UI can get itself hurt, get other
Speaker 1: people hurt. I just don't like guys that I cannot
Speaker 1: depend on. Football is a dependent sport. I need to
Speaker 1: know the guy to my left and to my right
Speaker 1: is going to be there when I need him most.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that I just can't trust. I
Speaker 1: don't want in the foxhole with me because his history
Speaker 1: says he's not gonna be there when I need him
Speaker 1: the most. Nate, Please, if it's a DIVISIVN in the
Speaker 1: draft that falls us that can help us win games,
Speaker 1: or do you think that can make an impact quickly
Speaker 1: in our season and early in our season, draft that guy.
Speaker 1: Draft that guy. I believe in second chances, but he
Speaker 1: should have he should have no impact or who we
Speaker 1: draft and when we draft him. And these guys that
Speaker 1: we bring in should have equal reps to what we
Speaker 1: to Alton Smith and good bad indifference. This this should
Speaker 1: this should be totally a wild card. Something you got
Speaker 1: behind your back. You know, if he give anything, he
Speaker 1: give it. If he don't give it, that's fine. He
Speaker 1: ain't affecting that because this team has enough wild cards
Speaker 1: as it is, and our whole defensive coaching staff as
Speaker 1: a wild card. Trying to put this team together with
Speaker 1: pol mccour all. This thing is a wild card. You
Speaker 1: just added a bigger wild card. And Aldon Smith, if
Speaker 1: a dive is a man fall to us, please draft him.
Speaker 1: And Dallas is also a place where um to steal
Speaker 1: a phrase from from from Mike Fisher is fifty two brands.
Speaker 1: Everybody has a brand. If you're a cowboy, you got
Speaker 1: a brand. You got a brand. And so when I'm
Speaker 1: looking because championship teams, yes they have talented people, Yes
Speaker 1: they have talented coaches, but they look at every championship
Speaker 1: team in any sport, I don't care what level it is,
Speaker 1: if they are a championship team, there is a level
Speaker 1: of of of of chemistry and camaraderie that is that
Speaker 1: has had amongst the team. Not offense, defense, not linebackers,
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I'm talking about a sense of community in
Speaker 1: the team. And this is the one team when you
Speaker 1: look at Dallas. Yes, there are clicks there, there are
Speaker 1: are are pieces that are together. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the chemistry is all the way there and then you
Speaker 1: drop this, you drop this piece right in the middle
Speaker 1: of it and sidebar. I keep saying this. Be nice
Speaker 1: to your coaches. There'll be the reason why you have
Speaker 1: a job or not. John Jim tom Sula was the
Speaker 1: head coach for the Niners when they had Alden Smith.
Speaker 1: I know that Mike McCarthy, they you know, had interest
Speaker 1: in all the Smith. But it was Jim tom Sula
Speaker 1: who was kind of saying, this guy can really go
Speaker 1: always be nice to your coaches. But you drop this
Speaker 1: guy into the mix, and I don't know if this
Speaker 1: team has a good enough chemistry, a solid enough chemistry
Speaker 1: to be able to take on all the different type
Speaker 1: of uncertain personalities. I just I just did not like
Speaker 1: this signing for for our team. It just it just
Speaker 1: lends itself for chaos in November and December when we
Speaker 1: need it, when we need these players to be here
Speaker 1: the most. Are they setting themselves up for kind of
Speaker 1: a false sense of security because they've they've now had
Speaker 1: signed three kind of known guys for that defensive line
Speaker 1: and in McCoy, Po and now Smith. But all of
Speaker 1: them thirty years old, all of them are are come
Speaker 1: a question marks. You don't know if any of them
Speaker 1: I mean surely, like you said, Nate, they'll still go
Speaker 1: after a defensive end if they have it. There Uh,
Speaker 1: two known quantities. Pole can still play, Jerald McCoy still
Speaker 1: got some meat on the bone. Kind of thirty years old.
Speaker 1: I don't know the thirty years old, but these guys
Speaker 1: come off injury. You have to this. They're using this
Speaker 1: free agency to fill in to stop gap a couple
Speaker 1: of these guys. Pole and McCoy is basically stop gap
Speaker 1: guys because if they if you take away Pole and McCoy,
Speaker 1: then your defense has to be totally independent on the
Speaker 1: draft if you take away those shoe guys, and this
Speaker 1: is no way in the world you can draft anything offensively.
Speaker 1: It's no in the world. It shouldn't be anyway. I
Speaker 1: think if they got seven picks, six something should be
Speaker 1: all defense, you know. And I know that's a little overboard,
Speaker 1: but you know it's extreme times called for extreme measures.
Speaker 1: Pole and McCoy. I understand those are normal commodities. They
Speaker 1: would play well for you. They may not be outstanding.
Speaker 1: They may have one or two games where they may
Speaker 1: not even show up, but they may have three or
Speaker 1: four games where they're gonna show up and be consistent.
Speaker 1: But Aldon Smith, you know, that's unknown to me. That's
Speaker 1: why I say when when when they look at Devinsiven,
Speaker 1: they can't look over it and said, well we got
Speaker 1: Alton Smith. They got to say that we got drafted
Speaker 1: this guy because he's the best survailable Jesse, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about the defensive line right as it stands,
Speaker 1: right now before the draft are you Are you okay
Speaker 1: with it? Or you not okay with it? Or you
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. For the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that they've addressed some issues
Speaker 1: that we've had in the middle. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing for this defense is how do we get are
Speaker 1: you are two year young stud linebackers back to playing
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, top level football, and the biggest thing they
Speaker 1: had a problem with last year is getting off those
Speaker 1: big men blocks. So if you put some meat eaters
Speaker 1: in the inside, now they don't have to Now. Now
Speaker 1: they're being more free flowing linebackers and you can use
Speaker 1: them and a much more productive pace and use them
Speaker 1: in different variations. So I'm okay with it. It's not
Speaker 1: still still got tank. I'm worried about that because here,
Speaker 1: here's the biggest thing. You're not You're not gonna play.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna play. Poe and McCoy at a lot
Speaker 1: of snaps together, they're they're almost staggering one another. They're
Speaker 1: they're going to be like, all right, we know that
Speaker 1: both of you are thirty plus, we know that both
Speaker 1: of you have some years in the league that both
Speaker 1: you have some injury history. So we're not trying to
Speaker 1: line you up and play both of you guys sixty
Speaker 1: five snaps a game. No, what we're trying to do
Speaker 1: is we're trying to find two inside guys that we
Speaker 1: can rely on through the course of the season, kind
Speaker 1: of almost stagger and them playing them maybe twenty five
Speaker 1: snaps a piece, so that at the end of the
Speaker 1: game that they're fresh. They're not a lot of when
Speaker 1: you're tearing their bodies. Maybe some packets where they may
Speaker 1: come in and have a boat in there. But I
Speaker 1: don't think they're both gonna be playing at the same time.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna see a different You're gonna have
Speaker 1: those guys more so staggered behind one another, giving each
Speaker 1: other a rest kind of being able to have them
Speaker 1: for the duration of the season, not necessarily having them
Speaker 1: on the every down basis where they're playing sixty snaps
Speaker 1: the game. They don't have anybody behind them. You know them,
Speaker 1: and you got an you gotta have Tristan Hill. You
Speaker 1: got and Hill is a big question mark. But these
Speaker 1: are these are all the things that they're looking and
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Kurt, these are all the things
Speaker 1: that they're looking at, saying Okay, Tristan Hill, we need
Speaker 1: you to take the next step and bringing these veteran
Speaker 1: guys in here, hopefully they're able to put their arms
Speaker 1: around Tristan Hill and say, hey, young fella, here's how
Speaker 1: you become a professional. Here's how you go about your work.
Speaker 1: So you got two guys in here who's been in
Speaker 1: the league for a very long time and has played
Speaker 1: at the high level four sometime in this league. Hopefully
Speaker 1: that being around a guy like Tristan Hill will really
Speaker 1: be able to set the tone for him and he
Speaker 1: takes that next maturity step and that next professional step.
Speaker 1: And now you've got some sort of a three four
Speaker 1: man rotation. If they get a guy in the draft,
Speaker 1: they you know, they pick another guy up, maybe Laton
Speaker 1: free agency. Now you've got a three four man rotation.
Speaker 1: Whether they're get getting these guys fresh, you can now
Speaker 1: use Crawford at the defensive end. Inside that now give
Speaker 1: you more options to do different things. Again, I just
Speaker 1: don't think these two guys are going to play together
Speaker 1: at the same time for a large majority of the game.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is this right here, the bottom line, Kurt,
Speaker 1: is simple to thish right here, you could not have
Speaker 1: signed these guys. And now your back end it's just
Speaker 1: as ragged as your front end. They have addressed the
Speaker 1: front end as best they can at this time. They
Speaker 1: will they will pick and choose as as when this
Speaker 1: thing gets started, you know, the OTAs all the way
Speaker 1: to training camp. It'll be some guys out there defensively
Speaker 1: on the defensive front that you can pick and choose from.
Speaker 1: But the where you're not gonna find guys that doing
Speaker 1: after the draft is cornerbacks. Cornerbacks and cornerbacks they're gonna
Speaker 1: be hard to find. So they're gonna have to draft
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, they're gonna have to. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to put a great effort in drafting these guys.
Speaker 1: That's it's the first time I ever said, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's a corner out, they're go get him because
Speaker 1: there's a premium on corners. You got them have a
Speaker 1: run if they haven't found anybody, I think on the
Speaker 1: back end. And let's Steve coaches make a hell of
Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah, that's the same we're we're talking about
Speaker 1: is the defensive line. Okay, and the secondary is probably
Speaker 1: even worse shape. So ye got some work to do. Well, fellas,
Speaker 1: we got some work to do too, but not on
Speaker 1: this show because we are out of time. So Matt
Speaker 1: I Robot, thank you for keeping us on the air. Nay,
Speaker 1: thanks for bringing it as always, Jesse, get to see
Speaker 1: your beautiful face Man as always, Kurt, good to see
Speaker 1: you're busy and healthy. Keep going from those dobs, but
Speaker 1: stay six six feet away from the neighbors. IM shitting
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Speaker 1: have some wings in our homes next week. If I
Speaker 1: don't screw it up again, we will be back next Monday,
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