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Speaker 1: M. The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot

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Speaker 1: Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Blowing out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield's flooding down the sideline. He is Hanging with

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Speaker 1: the Boys, presented by Windstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now,

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Speaker 1: your hosts, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.

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Speaker 1: Yo yo yo, Welcome to the s WBC Mortgage Bedroom,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to another episode of Hanging with the

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Speaker 1: Boys in different locations. How you do? Hey man? Hey?

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Speaker 1: What got Hey man? What's the old guy that used

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Speaker 1: to come on? And he's had he's much a shadow

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Speaker 1: of It's an old and white m used to have

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Speaker 1: a shadow. He's like and he used to have all

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Speaker 1: these The next episode, Hey, hey, shadow, that was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Oh my god, like a guy? Wow yeah,

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Speaker 1: let us know what you think of him? So you say,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, go ahead off. Okay, you guys are looking good.

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Speaker 1: Jesse got his Hot Boys hat on, Nate's got his uh,

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Speaker 1: his jersey's actually a whole uniform on? What what uniform is?

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Speaker 1: That game? That was a younger slim nad that's super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's something that y'all don't know about yet.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you were. I didn't know you were

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Speaker 1: hot boys, Jesse. Yeah, they say hot boys, not just

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Speaker 1: you know, on the field. It's a mentality. They're doing

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Speaker 1: good things in the community right now, So I can

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Speaker 1: wrap it to the hot boys. They keep doing that community.

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Speaker 1: See that Pro Bowl when it used to be real

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, y'all see that? Yeah, okay, nice. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: need to take a tool one of these shows, Nate

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Speaker 1: will take a tool around your house and see all

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Speaker 1: your not no, you won't not no, no, I don't

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Speaker 1: want picture. No. I was just bow just having a

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Speaker 1: little fun. You can stop with that shot. And I

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Speaker 1: love you, but not that much. Yeah, oh man, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go. It's been it's been a week since we talk.

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is becoming the new normal. I

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Speaker 1: think everybody you know, I've talked to a lot of

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Speaker 1: are you are you getting adjusted to to this being

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Speaker 1: the new normal? For it? Sounds like what's going to

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Speaker 1: be the next several weeks. Well, Shannon, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: act said because and I'm quite sure with all you guys,

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Speaker 1: we do my Sunday school classes by by via this

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Speaker 1: way we do my church like we don't our Sunday

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Speaker 1: school classes basically like this what we're doing here, But

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Speaker 1: my church, we just we all tune inside pastor and uh.

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Speaker 1: Then I have a few friends that when they want

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Speaker 1: to wrap at me, you know, I know about face

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Speaker 1: facetiming now and so, which I don't mind doing. But

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Speaker 1: all know me, I'm a personal guy. When y'all text

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Speaker 1: text and then I'm calling. I like to I like

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Speaker 1: I'll adapt to whatever way. Man. Because the stories we

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Speaker 1: else has a chance to survive. Yeah, Kurt, what have

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Speaker 1: I know You've been really busy with the book, so

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Speaker 1: Here's what I really hate it. I hate being told

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Speaker 1: still the sponsor of our show. We still love them

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Speaker 1: And you can't leave, You can't get mad and go

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm just gonna jump right in this. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna get to it later, but

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Speaker 1: I will. I cannot wait to hear what Jesse has

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Speaker 1: to say about this? Uh, Rex Ryan on what show

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Speaker 1: was he on? Kurt? I was one of the ESPN shows.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure which which one thing's gonna get up. Um.

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Speaker 1: I had some things to say about Amari Cooper and basically, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you know what he said, Tell everybody

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Speaker 1: what he said, tell us your thoughts on it. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. Well, like anything, the Cowboys are always on

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Speaker 1: the A block of everyone's programming. And so they were

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Speaker 1: talking about the Mary Cooper signing he had just you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, recently signed for one hundred million dollars. And

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Speaker 1: the question that was passed around the table was was

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Speaker 1: he worth it? You know, was signing a Mary Coop

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Speaker 1: worth it? You know you haven't got Dak signed. Was

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Speaker 1: the signing worth it? And they went around and they

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Speaker 1: finally got to old Rex Ryan. Now Here's where what

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Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with. Just like us, they

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Speaker 1: pay these people to get on TV to analyze and

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Speaker 1: at times be critical of someone's game. And Rex Ryan

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Speaker 1: talked about how Maria Cooper disappeared in games, called him

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Speaker 1: a disappearing act and uh, and some may believe that,

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Speaker 1: and you know, say that he had, you know, issues

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Speaker 1: with you know, cutting off routes, and had an issue

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Speaker 1: with him not being in the fourth quarter on that

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Speaker 1: fourth down play, with the game on the line of season,

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Speaker 1: on the line of him not being down and in

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Speaker 1: the game on that fourth fourth downplay. I have no

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Speaker 1: problem with those things. Here's where I have a problem

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Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan. When you begin to call a man

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Speaker 1: out of his name, now, Rex Ryan, then we'll be

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Speaker 1: going to say that I wouldn't pay that turd a dime.

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Speaker 1: Basically saying a cleaned up version is I wouldn't pay

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Speaker 1: that piece of bleep a dime. That's that's when you

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Speaker 1: lose me. When you come out another man and you

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Speaker 1: call him out of his name, That right there is

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Speaker 1: when you cross the line. There has to be a

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Speaker 1: level of respect that is given across the board. You

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Speaker 1: may not like me, you may not like my game,

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Speaker 1: you may not like what I've done in the field,

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Speaker 1: But when you begin to say things personally, my mother

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Speaker 1: didn't name me turd. Mary's mother didn't name him turd.

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Speaker 1: So you can have all the ill will feelings you

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Speaker 1: want about how his game is, or how he plays

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Speaker 1: his game, or what he'd done on the field. But

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Speaker 1: when you begin to call a man out of his name,

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Speaker 1: that's when you cross the line from me. That's when

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Speaker 1: it becomes way unprofessional. That's when it comes. As we

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Speaker 1: like to say, the young people like to say, that's

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Speaker 1: when you got to see these hands, because that's uncalled

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Speaker 1: for it. And I'm all, i'm I'm I don't like

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Speaker 1: people who don't put you know, one who don't put

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Speaker 1: their name on stuff. And then the second thing is,

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Speaker 1: I don't like people. Rex would never say that to

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Speaker 1: a Maria Cooper's face. He can get on TV all

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Speaker 1: he want and try to talk all tough and brash

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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But if a Maria

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Speaker 1: was standing six feet were practicing social distancing, if a

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Speaker 1: Maria was standing six feet away from Rex Ryan, he

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Speaker 1: would have never called him a turd to his face.

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Speaker 1: And I have a real big problem with that man.

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Speaker 1: And then and then you come give, you know, a

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Speaker 1: half apology on TV. And ESPN is at fault for

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Speaker 1: this as well, because why make why make Rex Ryan

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Speaker 1: apologize when ESPN you're the one who cut the audience.

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Speaker 1: Put it on, get up, put it on on social

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Speaker 1: media for all of us to view it so you

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Speaker 1: were you were playing an even bigger part than this.

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Speaker 1: As the company, you should have had more coouth and

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Speaker 1: had more uh respect for your brand. And for Marie

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Speaker 1: Cooper to not even cut that up and to put

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Speaker 1: it out on social media, I mean ESPN and Rex

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Speaker 1: Ryan all across the board that they showed very little

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Speaker 1: respectful Marie. They showed very little couth, They showed very

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Speaker 1: little just everything. And to me that that's unacceptable. And

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Speaker 1: if I was a Mari what I'm not He's not me,

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Speaker 1: I'm not him. If I ever came across Rex Ryan,

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Speaker 1: he and I would have to have a real serious

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Speaker 1: conversation they was that surprising for you to hear from

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Speaker 1: a former coach to to to speak like that about

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Speaker 1: about a player? Or is that you know? I heard

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Speaker 1: when I compadres when guys, uh that works, and I

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00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: feel said sound like he was very unprepared and he

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00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: ran out of words and so we got to see

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Speaker 1: the real Rex Ryan. So like, uh so we got

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Speaker 1: to see the real Rex. So now that's what you feel,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with you just a hundred percent. And that's

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Speaker 1: all I have to say on that, because that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things I think Brad sham for because I

568
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: used to be out there kind of talking ill of players,

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Speaker 1: kind of calling him out of the names and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, and and Brad looked at me like, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? You know, it's hard to tell to

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Speaker 1: show us what is wrong, and it's on film through

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Speaker 1: expression of your your vocabulary. But to just call a

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Speaker 1: man out of his name. You don't know this man personally,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, keep it professional. Tell us

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00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: what he what's you know? Yeah, he breaks off his routes.

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00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah he disappeared in a few games. Yeah he was

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00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: not and there in the fourth quarter. We know that.

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Speaker 1: Tell us why this happened, give us a little more insight.

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Speaker 1: But to just call all the amount of his name,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially if this man was to confront you

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Speaker 1: about it, knee, you got no apologize. Now you got

583
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Speaker 1: to buy down with your tail between your legs. And

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be put in that position as

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Speaker 1: a man, you know, forcing another man to come to

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Speaker 1: you in that in that in that way. So I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, Jess. Yeah, and Jesse, you and you

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Speaker 1: and Nate both know this. Players, players, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is their job and it's just like anybody else in

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Speaker 1: their job. When you know, sometimes your boss, which is

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Speaker 1: your coach or your position coach, sometimes they have to

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Speaker 1: they have to call you out a little bit, or

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00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: they have to push you, or they have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's their job coming after a game and point out where,

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Speaker 1: you know, where you didn't perform well, right, So they're

596
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: used to that and they'll sit down. And I've seen

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00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: this happen on the team plane flying back from games

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Speaker 1: where somebody, you know, whether it's a Nick Eatman or

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Speaker 1: you know, Rob Phillips or someone, they'll stop a player

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Speaker 1: as they're walking back to the player's section and they'll say, hey,

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00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: what happened on this play? And the players know, and

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00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: they're forthcoming and honest, and they'll say, I missed my

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Speaker 1: assignment or I did this, or this is what I

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Speaker 1: thought was happening, and this is why that happened. So

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00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: they're used to being criticized, they're used to being called out.

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Speaker 1: They're used to and they'll and they'll, you know, they

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Speaker 1: appreciate the honesty because they know the media has a

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Speaker 1: job to do. But I think you guys are right

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Speaker 1: when it's you know, when you start attacking someone's character,

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Speaker 1: or you start attacking you know, someone's name or something

611
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Speaker 1: like that. Talk about the football stuff all you want,

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Speaker 1: but once it crosses that line to where you're you know,

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Speaker 1: once you start going down that other route, that's that's

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Speaker 1: when it kind of loses me as well. So that's

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing. Man, it's it's it's respect. It's it's

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Speaker 1: having respect and as a man, as a man, that

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Speaker 1: should always be li number one when dealing with another man,

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Speaker 1: like there has to be a level of respect that

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Speaker 1: is there. And when that respect line is broken, then

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Speaker 1: then you no longer see me as a man. You

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00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: see me less than that. And if you see me

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Speaker 1: less than that, then I have to I have to

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00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: address and I have to handle you differently. But there

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00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: should always be a level of respect, expectingly when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about being on national TV. If if you can't

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Speaker 1: handle yourself in a respectful, appropriate manner, then they need

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Speaker 1: to find someone else to do that job. This isn't

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Speaker 1: This isn't This isn't where you can just go and

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Speaker 1: just say this stuff willy nilly, because there are consequences

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Speaker 1: for that. There are other people on the other end

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00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: of your comments that have to receive that, and how

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00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: they receive that can can ultimately be not in the

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Speaker 1: best interest or best favor for you. That's all the

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00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: things most players, and as a as a former player,

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00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: I had no problem with anyone criticizing my game, criticizing

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Speaker 1: my talent. I had no problem with that. That's what

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Speaker 1: they that's what they pay you to do. They pay

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Speaker 1: you to analyze and to criticize. I have no problem

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Speaker 1: with that. The only problem I will ever have with anyone, anyone,

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Speaker 1: is when you don't treat me with the respect that

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Speaker 1: I deserve as a man. And my mother didn't name

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Speaker 1: me anything other than Jesse Holly, So when you begin

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Speaker 1: to call me other things than that, that's when you

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Speaker 1: and I have a problem. I can't call it Jess,

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Speaker 1: I can't call you mister fourth and long in the

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Speaker 1: mong you only you, though, only you, only you, only

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Speaker 1: you by would change that Twitter handle. Then, Jesse, how

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Speaker 1: do you think Amara is going to handle this? As

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Speaker 1: far as you know, with new contracts, with big contracts

653
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Speaker 1: come big expectations. He's gonna get criticized more. Do you

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna handle it all right? Do you think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna step up? Are we gonna see more from

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Speaker 1: his game? Remember Mari, when he came over from Oakland,

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Speaker 1: he was criticized. They said they didn't love football. They said,

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Speaker 1: they said the same thing that we're here now. I

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Speaker 1: didn't love football. They said that. You know, he was

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Speaker 1: someone who didn't always show up all the time. When

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Speaker 1: you're a player like Amari Cooper, when you go to

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Speaker 1: you know you're the top players in the country, and

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Speaker 1: you go to the Alabamas, you're so used to being criticized.

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Speaker 1: You this is This isn't the first time a Mari

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Speaker 1: has heard criticism. This isn't the first time a Mari

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Speaker 1: has been negati things have been said about him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: go back to high school. I'm pretty sure, Kurt. If

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Speaker 1: you dug up some high school articles, you can find something.

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Speaker 1: If you dug up some college articles, you can find something.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see. What is uh if you

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Speaker 1: look at his um You know, Kurt, you're doing the

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Speaker 1: draft stuff now. They always have these draft boards and

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Speaker 1: everybody has the pros and cons of what this player is,

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Speaker 1: what he'll be at the next level. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of criticism in there. So for a Mari,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the first time he's heard criticism. It won't

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Speaker 1: be the last time he's heard criticism, and he'll take

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Speaker 1: it like he's always done, with grace, with class. He's

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Speaker 1: not a guy who's gonna come back and be vocal

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Speaker 1: and be loquacious and what is the thing that he

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Speaker 1: says and be you know, shot shooting shots back at Rex.

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Speaker 1: Ryan mar is gonna say, hey, man, it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. They call me mister Cooper. When I go

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Speaker 1: into the bank, they called me mister They call me

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Speaker 1: mister Cooper when I go into Wolfs Fargo, b of

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Speaker 1: A or Chase or whatever. Those hundred million dollars that

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Speaker 1: he'll put in the bank wherever they go. I promise

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Speaker 1: you they don't call him a turn in there. I

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Speaker 1: promise you. They call him mister Cooper and he gets

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Speaker 1: first class service when he goes into the bank. So, dude,

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Speaker 1: as players, you don't have to name names whatever, but

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Speaker 1: as players, did you have teammates that you saw criticism

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Speaker 1: get to him or anything, or do most guys able

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Speaker 1: to shake that over. Oh yeah, let me say this, Curt,

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Speaker 1: let me say this right here. Only the elite get criticized.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else has just lumped together. I'm I'm being honest.

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Speaker 1: I mean, mar has been elite on every level he's played. Now,

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Speaker 1: whether he's been consistent with that elite list that, you

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Speaker 1: may can criticize that, but elite, route runner, elite, speed,

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Speaker 1: elite coming out of breaks, elite knowing his plays and

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Speaker 1: knowing where to go. Now you may have questioned some

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Speaker 1: of those desires that time, some of that will that time,

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Speaker 1: but he's elite. Believe that he is elite. That's why

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Speaker 1: he's being criticized. And he he's a different cat too, man.

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Speaker 1: He's he's especially at the and you know this first hand,

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Speaker 1: Jesse at the wide receiver position. That's a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are you know me me me,

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00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: and really flamboyant and really out there. And he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a very thoughtful guy. And he doesn't talk a lot,

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Speaker 1: but when he talks, it's very calculated and it's very

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Speaker 1: you know, it's very thought out, and he thinks about

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Speaker 1: everything and he'll you know, he stops and he pauses

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Speaker 1: and he thinks. So if he puts something out there

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, you know he he did he

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Speaker 1: disappear in a few games this year. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: taken out of a few games. But I would and

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Speaker 1: I don't know this off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: but Kurt Ben, this is something you have come across.

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Speaker 1: But I'd like to see you're DeAndre Hopkins, You're Julio Jones.

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Speaker 1: Are they taken out of a two or three games,

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Speaker 1: a couple of games, one or two games a year

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Speaker 1: where they only have one catch or two catches? And

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Speaker 1: is it maybe just emphasize more because he's on the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and he is so quiet and he's not outspoken

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't let things bother him. If it's made

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Speaker 1: more of a bigger deal, or if if that's really

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Speaker 1: kind of an issue with him as he's able to

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Speaker 1: be taken out of games, I don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer to that. I think stats. I think with

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Speaker 1: those other guys, if you play this position, if you

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Speaker 1: play any position, running back, quarterback, whatever it is, if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're you think deons centers, never anyone, no

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Speaker 1: one that ever had a hundred yard receiving game on him.

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Speaker 1: Yes they have. Do you think you know you think

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Speaker 1: Michael Irvin. Do you think Julio Jones has never had

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Speaker 1: a game where they didn't have over fifty yards? Yes?

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Speaker 1: They have. You ever think Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: had never had games where they just had flat out

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Speaker 1: bad games, multiple interceptions. Yes, they have running backs being

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Speaker 1: Walter Payton, Ima Smith, Zeke Elliott have bad Yes, everyone

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Speaker 1: everyone has them. The biggest thing this is just to

742
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Speaker 1: me that sticks out with a Maori and his criticism

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Speaker 1: is his history of him quote unquote, I don't believe

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Speaker 1: this quote unquote not loving football and disappearing and not

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Speaker 1: having a love for the game. And you see him

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Speaker 1: not come back in on fourth down. That's the one

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Speaker 1: part because every other receiver you name it, Nate, you

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Speaker 1: think Michael Irvin is not going to be on the

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Speaker 1: on the biggest game of the season, in the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter game on the line and it's fourth down and

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00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: they're doing a passing play. You think Michael Ivan would

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Speaker 1: allowed anyone to keep him on the sideline if he

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Speaker 1: wasn't hurt. No, And that goes and that goes across

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Speaker 1: the board. You could Michael Irvin or Dell Beckham, Julio Jones,

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Speaker 1: Denandre Hopkins. It's those little plays that happened throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of his season or his career. And you couple

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Speaker 1: that with people saying that he doesn't love football, and

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00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: you can start piecing things together that makes it look like,

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00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe this dude really doesn't love football

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Speaker 1: because he let someone keep him on the sideline in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter on fourth down on a pass the

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Speaker 1: situation in the biggest game of the season. Most guys

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00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: and then and then didn't fuss about it. It's one

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Speaker 1: thing if he was saying, like, man, you see him

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Speaker 1: on the sidelines, hooting and hollering and yelling, and you're saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: he cared. But when he's when you see him on

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Speaker 1: with the with the with the puppy dog phase, you're

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, he don't. He don't really care because

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Speaker 1: he's just standing on the sideline like it's okay, right.

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Speaker 1: But that was I guess that was my point is

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Speaker 1: he's he's a different cat, and he he doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: confrontational and he doesn't seem like it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: it almost seems like, hey, that's what they told me

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Speaker 1: to do, so that's what I did. It's not that

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00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't care, he's just not the kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that makes a three a lot of things right,

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Speaker 1: be like I need to be in there, Like maybe

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Speaker 1: he's that guy that's like, that's the coach, that's what

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Speaker 1: they told me to do. That's what I did, So

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Speaker 1: I don't. Let's just let's just see what this year brain.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what a new coaching style, a new way

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Speaker 1: of doing things, Let's see what that brings. Uh, maybe

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Speaker 1: these guys can we try to bring something different out

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Speaker 1: of Mary He's seen he signed a team friendly deal.

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Speaker 1: The cat said he wanted to be here. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: we can say whatever we want and Jesse yours test

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Speaker 1: it is whenever he lines up on the field, he

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00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,800
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Speaker 1: every everything we've said, good or not good, when he

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a game changer. So all right,

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Speaker 1: All right, back to the show. Back to this stimulating

850
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: conversation from all of our locations around the DFW Metropolay,

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Speaker 1: Who's the who's the astronaut behind you? Who's the last

852
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: the astronaut behind you. What's the story there? You know, Well,

853
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: I'm in this bedroom and we haven't decorated yet because

854
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: we're in this new apartment. So every day that we're

855
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: on the show, I'm just going to bring in a

856
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: random piece of something around the apartment to put in

857
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: here that Actually I was um out one night having

858
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: a few Miller lights and I saw an astronaut behind

859
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: the bar, and I thought it was at the time,

860
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: the coolest thing that I had ever seen. So I

861
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: got online and I googled it and I ordered it

862
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: right there in the bar, and then they shipped it

863
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: to my apartment the next week, and I had absolutely

864
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: know where to put it, so I didn't want to

865
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: give it away because I thought it was still cool.

866
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really fit anywhere, so it's probably gonna

867
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: wind up in a closet. So so we'll say ya

868
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: everything you own winding up in the closet. Shann All right,

869
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: let's talk some Alan Smith. What uh Kurt? Start with you?

870
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: What what do you think when you heard the signing?

871
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, hasn't been in the league in a while,

872
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: He's had some some issues in the past, was a

873
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: beast whenever you know he was at the top of

874
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: his game. Um, you think it's good. It's it's obviously

875
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: a project or an experience to what a one deal.

876
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on it? Well, it's it seems

877
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: like a risk a little bit. Um. I guess they

878
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: got nothing to lose with him and not paying him

879
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: a whole lot if he does make it, if he

880
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: can somehow return to his old form and be a

881
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: huge bonus. But you know he's gonna be thirty years

882
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: old at and played since twenty fifteen, it seems like

883
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: a long shot. Yeah, it's kind of a It kind

884
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: of brings back memories of a Rolando McLean. If you

885
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: can get him in here for a year and you know,

886
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 1: get that type of play out of him, I guess

887
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: is it worth it? Jesse? Would you think whatever you

888
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: you heard about it? I guess the voice of reason

889
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: and the hater of the show. I hated it. I

890
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: hated it. I hated everything about it. And well, I

891
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are saying the money part,

892
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: Oh well they got him for cheap. Oh well, they

893
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: got them for cheap. And my hate has nothing to

894
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: do with the money. I don't care what they paid them.

895
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: My thing is is that you trust. You can't trust

896
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: this guy. This isn't a guy that you can trust.

897
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: His whole adult life. He's had issues with the law

898
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: his entire adult life. He's had issues with the law,

899
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: and now right even just this last summer. And I

900
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: know people are saying, oh, well, Jesse, you know he

901
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: You know, as the Christian man, you should be able

902
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: to forgive. I have no problem with forgiving. I just

903
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: don't want him on my team because you haven't played

904
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: football in over four years. And four years and just

905
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: eight months ago you decide to go get help. And

906
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: now I'm supposed to believe, after having a history, a

907
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: lifelong history of having trouble with the authorities, that in

908
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: eight months you have been fixed. And I know what

909
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: it is to be a Dallas cowboy. Nate knows what

910
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: it is to be a Dallas cowboy. Kurt Shannon, you

911
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: guys know what it is to be a Dallas cowboy.

912
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: When you are in this city, on this team, you

913
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: are treated like a god. You are held well above report.

914
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: I mean you, you are up here. And so now, okay,

915
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: we got lean, we got lean it rules now on marijuana.

916
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: So I just look at this thing. Is you signed

917
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: a guy who, if we're being honest right now, he's

918
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: probably your day one starter at right defensive end because

919
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: we don't have another defensive end. You know, on Tyrone Crawford,

920
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: there's an all the defensive end. You lost Robert Quentin'.

921
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna start at your right defensive end. So now

922
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: you're putting a level of a premium level of importance

923
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: on a guy who you cannot trust. And so once

924
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: he starts getting those reps and start getting those plays,

925
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: and he may have some success. I hope he has

926
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,919
Speaker 1: some success. But what happens if he decides to go

927
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: on and get another du by because he doesn't know

928
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: the rules of how Dallas works. He you know, we've

929
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: all been on that tollway after twelve o'clock, and I

930
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: know the three limits at seventy five, but we all

931
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: know we don't go seventy five and drinking and driving.

932
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: Here's another d UI can get itself hurt, get other

933
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: people hurt. I just don't like guys that I cannot

934
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: depend on. Football is a dependent sport. I need to

935
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: know the guy to my left and to my right

936
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: is going to be there when I need him most.

937
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: This is a guy that I just can't trust. I

938
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: don't want in the foxhole with me because his history

939
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: says he's not gonna be there when I need him

940
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: the most. Nate, Please, if it's a DIVISIVN in the

941
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: draft that falls us that can help us win games,

942
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: or do you think that can make an impact quickly

943
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: in our season and early in our season, draft that guy.

944
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: Draft that guy. I believe in second chances, but he

945
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: should have he should have no impact or who we

946
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: draft and when we draft him. And these guys that

947
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: we bring in should have equal reps to what we

948
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: to Alton Smith and good bad indifference. This this should

949
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: this should be totally a wild card. Something you got

950
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: behind your back. You know, if he give anything, he

951
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: give it. If he don't give it, that's fine. He

952
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: ain't affecting that because this team has enough wild cards

953
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: as it is, and our whole defensive coaching staff as

954
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: a wild card. Trying to put this team together with

955
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: pol mccour all. This thing is a wild card. You

956
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: just added a bigger wild card. And Aldon Smith, if

957
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: a dive is a man fall to us, please draft him.

958
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: And Dallas is also a place where um to steal

959
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: a phrase from from from Mike Fisher is fifty two brands.

960
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: Everybody has a brand. If you're a cowboy, you got

961
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: a brand. You got a brand. And so when I'm

962
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: looking because championship teams, yes they have talented people, Yes

963
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: they have talented coaches, but they look at every championship

964
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: team in any sport, I don't care what level it is,

965
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: if they are a championship team, there is a level

966
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: of of of of chemistry and camaraderie that is that

967
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: has had amongst the team. Not offense, defense, not linebackers,

968
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I'm talking about a sense of community in

969
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: the team. And this is the one team when you

970
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: look at Dallas. Yes, there are clicks there, there are

971
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: are are pieces that are together. I don't know if

972
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the chemistry is all the way there and then you

973
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: drop this, you drop this piece right in the middle

974
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: of it and sidebar. I keep saying this. Be nice

975
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: to your coaches. There'll be the reason why you have

976
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: a job or not. John Jim tom Sula was the

977
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: head coach for the Niners when they had Alden Smith.

978
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: I know that Mike McCarthy, they you know, had interest

979
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: in all the Smith. But it was Jim tom Sula

980
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: who was kind of saying, this guy can really go

981
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: always be nice to your coaches. But you drop this

982
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: guy into the mix, and I don't know if this

983
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: team has a good enough chemistry, a solid enough chemistry

984
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: to be able to take on all the different type

985
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: of uncertain personalities. I just I just did not like

986
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: this signing for for our team. It just it just

987
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: lends itself for chaos in November and December when we

988
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: need it, when we need these players to be here

989
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: the most. Are they setting themselves up for kind of

990
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: a false sense of security because they've they've now had

991
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: signed three kind of known guys for that defensive line

992
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: and in McCoy, Po and now Smith. But all of

993
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: them thirty years old, all of them are are come

994
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: a question marks. You don't know if any of them

995
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: I mean surely, like you said, Nate, they'll still go

996
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: after a defensive end if they have it. There Uh,

997
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: two known quantities. Pole can still play, Jerald McCoy still

998
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: got some meat on the bone. Kind of thirty years old.

999
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't know the thirty years old, but these guys

1000
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: come off injury. You have to this. They're using this

1001
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: free agency to fill in to stop gap a couple

1002
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: of these guys. Pole and McCoy is basically stop gap

1003
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: guys because if they if you take away Pole and McCoy,

1004
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: then your defense has to be totally independent on the

1005
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: draft if you take away those shoe guys, and this

1006
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: is no way in the world you can draft anything offensively.

1007
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: It's no in the world. It shouldn't be anyway. I

1008
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: think if they got seven picks, six something should be

1009
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: all defense, you know. And I know that's a little overboard,

1010
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: but you know it's extreme times called for extreme measures.

1011
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: Pole and McCoy. I understand those are normal commodities. They

1012
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: would play well for you. They may not be outstanding.

1013
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: They may have one or two games where they may

1014
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: not even show up, but they may have three or

1015
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: four games where they're gonna show up and be consistent.

1016
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: But Aldon Smith, you know, that's unknown to me. That's

1017
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: why I say when when when they look at Devinsiven,

1018
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: they can't look over it and said, well we got

1019
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: Alton Smith. They got to say that we got drafted

1020
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: this guy because he's the best survailable Jesse, how do

1021
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: you feel about the defensive line right as it stands,

1022
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: right now before the draft are you Are you okay

1023
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: with it? Or you not okay with it? Or you

1024
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. For the

1025
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that they've addressed some issues

1026
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: that we've had in the middle. I think the biggest

1027
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: thing for this defense is how do we get are

1028
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: you are two year young stud linebackers back to playing

1029
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, top level football, and the biggest thing they

1030
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: had a problem with last year is getting off those

1031
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: big men blocks. So if you put some meat eaters

1032
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: in the inside, now they don't have to Now. Now

1033
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: they're being more free flowing linebackers and you can use

1034
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: them and a much more productive pace and use them

1035
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: in different variations. So I'm okay with it. It's not

1036
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: still still got tank. I'm worried about that because here,

1037
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: here's the biggest thing. You're not You're not gonna play.

1038
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: You're not gonna play. Poe and McCoy at a lot

1039
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: of snaps together, they're they're almost staggering one another. They're

1040
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: they're going to be like, all right, we know that

1041
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: both of you are thirty plus, we know that both

1042
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: of you have some years in the league that both

1043
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: you have some injury history. So we're not trying to

1044
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: line you up and play both of you guys sixty

1045
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: five snaps a game. No, what we're trying to do

1046
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: is we're trying to find two inside guys that we

1047
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: can rely on through the course of the season, kind

1048
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: of almost stagger and them playing them maybe twenty five

1049
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: snaps a piece, so that at the end of the

1050
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: game that they're fresh. They're not a lot of when

1051
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: you're tearing their bodies. Maybe some packets where they may

1052
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: come in and have a boat in there. But I

1053
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: don't think they're both gonna be playing at the same time.

1054
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna see a different You're gonna have

1055
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: those guys more so staggered behind one another, giving each

1056
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: other a rest kind of being able to have them

1057
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: for the duration of the season, not necessarily having them

1058
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: on the every down basis where they're playing sixty snaps

1059
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: the game. They don't have anybody behind them. You know them,

1060
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Speaker 1: and you got an you gotta have Tristan Hill. You

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Speaker 1: got and Hill is a big question mark. But these

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Speaker 1: are these are all the things that they're looking and

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Kurt, these are all the things

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Speaker 1: that they're looking at, saying Okay, Tristan Hill, we need

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Speaker 1: you to take the next step and bringing these veteran

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Speaker 1: guys in here, hopefully they're able to put their arms

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: around Tristan Hill and say, hey, young fella, here's how

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Speaker 1: you become a professional. Here's how you go about your work.

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Speaker 1: So you got two guys in here who's been in

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Speaker 1: the league for a very long time and has played

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Speaker 1: at the high level four sometime in this league. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: that being around a guy like Tristan Hill will really

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Speaker 1: be able to set the tone for him and he

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Speaker 1: takes that next maturity step and that next professional step.

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Speaker 1: And now you've got some sort of a three four

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Speaker 1: man rotation. If they get a guy in the draft,

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Speaker 1: they you know, they pick another guy up, maybe Laton

1078
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: free agency. Now you've got a three four man rotation.

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Speaker 1: Whether they're get getting these guys fresh, you can now

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Speaker 1: use Crawford at the defensive end. Inside that now give

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: you more options to do different things. Again, I just

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: don't think these two guys are going to play together

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Speaker 1: at the same time for a large majority of the game.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is this right here, the bottom line, Kurt,

1085
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: is simple to thish right here, you could not have

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01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: signed these guys. And now your back end it's just

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01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: as ragged as your front end. They have addressed the

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01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: front end as best they can at this time. They

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Speaker 1: will they will pick and choose as as when this

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Speaker 1: thing gets started, you know, the OTAs all the way

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Speaker 1: to training camp. It'll be some guys out there defensively

1092
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: on the defensive front that you can pick and choose from.

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Speaker 1: But the where you're not gonna find guys that doing

1094
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Speaker 1: after the draft is cornerbacks. Cornerbacks and cornerbacks they're gonna

1095
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: be hard to find. So they're gonna have to draft

1096
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, they're gonna have to. They're gonna

1097
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: have to put a great effort in drafting these guys.

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Speaker 1: That's it's the first time I ever said, you know,

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Speaker 1: if it's a corner out, they're go get him because

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01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: there's a premium on corners. You got them have a

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01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: run if they haven't found anybody, I think on the

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Speaker 1: back end. And let's Steve coaches make a hell of

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Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah, that's the same we're we're talking about

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01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 1: is the defensive line. Okay, and the secondary is probably

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01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: even worse shape. So ye got some work to do. Well, fellas,

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Speaker 1: we got some work to do too, but not on

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Speaker 1: this show because we are out of time. So Matt

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Speaker 1: I Robot, thank you for keeping us on the air. Nay,

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Speaker 1: thanks for bringing it as always, Jesse, get to see

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Speaker 1: your beautiful face Man as always, Kurt, good to see

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Speaker 1: you're busy and healthy. Keep going from those dobs, but

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Speaker 1: stay six six feet away from the neighbors. IM shitting

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Speaker 1: gross broadcasting live from the SWBC mortgage bedroom. Hopefully we'll

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Speaker 1: have some wings in our homes next week. If I

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Speaker 1: don't screw it up again, we will be back next Monday,

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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. Hang it with the Boys, TI time. This

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Speaker 1: has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and

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