1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: If you celebrated in any way the murder of Charlie Kirk, 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: I have an important message to tell you today on 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: the podcast Okay, heavy topic today we're going to cover 4 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: and we man sitting with me, we have not done 5 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: a whole lot of research here. We're going to just 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: speak and see what comes out, because we've got a 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts, and we're going to use the Bible, 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: and we're going to use some comments we've seen on 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,319 Speaker 1: social media, and we're going to try to help kind 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: of bridge the gap of understanding as we see completely 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: different schools of ideas here in America recently this past 12 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: month of what a month, this past September was for 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: us as we saw how so many things happen, but 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: including the remembrance of nine to eleven in the middle 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: of everything else that we saw, specifically thinking about the 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: murder of Charlie Kirk and people that have celebrated this murder. 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: And by no means am I what I'm not trying 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: to rile up an ant bed here. I'm not trying 19 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: to as ant man sitting with me, I'm not trying 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: to rally troops. That's not what I'm doing To say, 21 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: we need to rise up against people that have celebrated 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: a murder or that have protested a funeral memorial. That's 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: not what this podcast is about. If that's why you 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: came to this podcast because of the title, then you 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: could this might not be of interest to you. 26 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: You should listen. 27 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: You should listen because I want to specifically want to 28 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: speak to the person that is celebrating the murder. I 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: have something to say about this, and so we're gonna 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: get to it. You you mentioned, and for instance, you 31 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: mentioned a video today as we're sitting here that of 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: a mother and a couple daughters, two daughters. Tell us, 33 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: tell me that story. 34 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: The video is of you don't see the mom. The 35 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: mom's holding the phone and she says to her two daughters. 36 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: They look they're young, old enough to talk and know 37 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: kind of what's going on. 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: At least. 39 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 3: The mom says, I have the best news. And the 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: girls are smiling already, and one of them goes, the 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: president's dead, and the mom giggles and says, no, guess again, 42 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: and either the same girl or one of the other 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 3: girls says the vice President's dead. No no thing. What 44 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: would be like the best news in the world. I've 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: turned it off of that. 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: You don't know what that was about. 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's so much happening right now that 48 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: and during that time that I was like, Okay, I've 49 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: had a I get what this is about. 50 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: Move on. 51 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: But I saw continually popping up, people redoing it. And 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: then I saw a mom that started with that, and 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: then she goes, hang on a second. She walks down 54 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: to her daughter's room and their kids are is in 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: the living room. The kids are in the living room 56 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: and ask one kid, Hey, I have the best news. 57 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 3: Can you guess what it is? And the kid's like, 58 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. The mom goes, yes, it's the best news. 59 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: Ever, trying to recreate the first video, like as a joke. Yeah. 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: And the kid says, we're having pizza tonight now, which 61 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: one of those seems more normal. And the point that 62 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 3: the second mom was trying to point out was this 63 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: is a normal reaction from a child. If your child's 64 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: first response is the president is dead, there's way more 65 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: going on. 66 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: There's way more going on. It's something that's taught. Both 67 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the pizza and the president are something that that's kind 68 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: of cultivated. So let's dive into this what we're doing. 69 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: The only way we could explain this and this is 70 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: it kept me going a little bit because because I 71 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: love Amber, my wife, and she has a book coming 72 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: out in October, and she posted a book club invitation 73 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: for her book on her Instagram. Yeah, and these comments 74 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: started coming in for that invitation talking about her previous 75 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: post in support of in memory of Charlie Kirk, and 76 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: they're like, I can no longer support your book, which 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with any of that. I can 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: no longer support your book because now I know that 79 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: you have supported Charlie Kirk, who is you know, a 80 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: racist and a bigot. And then da da da da 81 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: da you know, so you know, and I see that 82 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: and there are like long explanations and I see it 83 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: and I get inside me. My flesh gets riled up. 84 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're talking about? My wife? You know? 85 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: Uh? 86 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: And I can't understand. I can't comprehend why Amber could 87 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: be in support of the family of Charlie Kirk and 88 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: the gospel message of Charlie Kirk and how she could 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: post that and support of that and love for that, 90 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: you know, and that someone could think from Amber that's hating, 91 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: that is that is to hate others. That is, that 92 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: is for Amber to say that is to be racist. 93 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: I can't understand that, but that's because I have a 94 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: different cultural paradigm. And this is the only way, This 95 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: is the only explanation, and I'll explain this. That could 96 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: help us understand why we could look at at our 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: neighbor or that lives in our same city, are on 98 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: the same street as we do, that might have that 99 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: might watch the same Saturday morning cartoons as we did 100 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: when we were ten years old. How they could think 101 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: something that is so foreign to our brain. And that's 102 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: because we have a shift in cultural paradigms. Let me explain. 103 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: A cultural paradigm is a deep seated assumption or value 104 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: or pattern that shapes how people in a particular society think, act, 105 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: and relate to one another. These paradigms influence everything from 106 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: communication styles and leadership to family life, religion, and economics. 107 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: They are not just surface customs like clothing or hairstyles. 108 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: They are mental maps that entire groups of people live by. 109 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: That's a cultural paradigm. The interesting thing about this, the 110 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: current situation, is that we are seeing a paradigm shift 111 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: within a culture itself. And that's because possibly because we're 112 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: in the melting pot of the United States, where we 113 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: all are very, very different, and we have very polarizing 114 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: political opinions right now, and it's been so polarizing over 115 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: the last couple decades that we have there is become 116 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: now a paradigm shift within the culture. And I say 117 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: that again because usually cultural paradigms are based on countries 118 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: or continents or sometimes communities, right, but rarely split within 119 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: a community. But I think we're so confused right now 120 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: because we're seeing a paradigm shift within the community. I 121 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: first started thinking about this well seminary. We we've talked 122 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: a lot about cultural paradigms throughout the world. And the 123 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: beautiful thing about cultural paradigms is that g Is in 124 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: the Gospels perfectly answers all of the major cultural paradigms 125 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: throughout the Gospels. I'll explain that. But the new one 126 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: that's that has has now shown its face here in America. 127 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: I first started thinking about this from a a pastor 128 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: named Josh Howardton. We've talked about him a little bit 129 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: on this podcast. Yeah, he talked about a new cultural 130 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: paradigm that's built on top of the critical theory that 131 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: is now the paradigm is and let me let me 132 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: back up just a second, say that that you're ant 133 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: man me and you our cultural paradigm would essentially be 134 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: right verse. 135 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 3: Wrong, which when we first started talking about this, I 136 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 3: thought it is there is there another one? 137 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you would say, is there another one? Because 138 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: because it's a mental map for you, it is a 139 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: deep seated assumption. Is that in a definition or value 140 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: or pattern that has shaped the way you think, So 141 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: you think it's a filter. In the West, it's a 142 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: filter that you must see everything through. There is no 143 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: erasing a cultural paradigm. Right, It's part of your your everything, 144 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: it's part of your mental vision. So you see everything 145 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: through the lens of right verse wrong, and so do I, 146 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: and so to probably a lot of people listening, unless 147 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: you're from, for instance, to far East and you see 148 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: it through the lens of honor verse shame. And maybe 149 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: you're in the Middle East and you see it in 150 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: terms of dirty verse clean are impure verse pure. 151 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: Same thing, right dirty versus clean dirty? 152 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, dirty clean improor impure verse pure. And then and 153 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: we see a lot like like Japanese, Chinese Korean will 154 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: will live strongly with honor shame. Sure now our cultural paradigm, 155 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: it out trumps the our moral compass. It becomes our 156 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: moral compass. Sure you should say so. For instance, let's 157 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: think of a hypothetical situation and a cultural paradigm. This 158 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: is all back seminary work a few years ago. If 159 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: I if as as a right wrong paradigm guy, and 160 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: a lot of it's because I live in the West 161 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: and most of us are here in America. If I 162 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: go to a If I go to a restaurant and 163 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting there eating a meal, I'm just making 164 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: this up. I'm eating a meal at a restaurant and 165 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm friends with me, and I get a I get 166 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: a notification that says your credit card has is now overdrafted, 167 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: so we're going to shut down your credit card temporarily, 168 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: and I'm going to buy this meal for everyone in America. 169 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: Because I'm a right wrong guy, I would go, Guys, 170 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: I messed up. I have overdrafted my card. Can anybody 171 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: spot me? It's embarrassing, but I'll then know you later. 172 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: But can you just get me out of this hole 173 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: and cover me? And no one at the table would 174 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: be like what an idiot. They'd be like, yeah, bro, 175 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: I got you right. Wrong, because it would be wrong 176 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: to do it any another way. But if we're in Asia, right, 177 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: if that's not my cultural paradigm, if my paradigm is 178 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: hon or shame, I will do anything I can to 179 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: avoid shame. So I would say something like, guys, I'll 180 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: handle this. I'll go ahead and pay for the meal. 181 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: Y'all want to go ahead and go out to the 182 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: parking lot and get the car. I'll meet you outside. 183 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: They go out, I snink off to the restroom. I 184 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: go out the back door. I meet them in the 185 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: parking lot. All good, guys, let's go. I stole the meal. 186 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: In America, we'd say that's wrong, right, But in Asia, 187 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If I'm wrong, I would never shame 188 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: my family. That would be shameful. It would be honorable 189 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: to just walk out the back door and make it 190 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: go away. I can't understand that an American in an 191 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: American way. It's very difficult, but we have to understand 192 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: cultural paradigms are deep seated. Yeah, okay, so I think 193 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of like an overview Josh Howarton back to him. 194 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: There's a new one in America. It is oppressed versus oppressor. 195 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: So once again, a cultural paradigm will outweigh anything else morality, right, wrong, honor, shame. 196 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: If that's yours, whatever yours is, it outweighs all the others. 197 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: So if your idea is that someone that's oppressing another person, 198 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: then that person must be eliminated at all costs, regardless 199 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: of morals, regardless of right and wrong. That's irrelevant if 200 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: it's not your. Now, everyone has a little bit of 201 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: every cultural paradigm has a little of all of it. 202 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, for us, wrong would be shameful, would be shameful 203 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 3: to do something wrong. Yes, so you do have a 204 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: little bit of what we consider like an Eastern culture. 205 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, we all had a little bit of it. So, 206 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: like if you're driving by a dark alley and you 207 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: see some guys beaten up on a girl, they're oppressing her, 208 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: sure you'd stop the car, correct and you would punch 209 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: the guy in the face, even though that could be 210 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: wrong in the sense of the law. You could be 211 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: breaking the law by punching a guy and he hasn't 212 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: touched the girl, you know, he's just kind of there's 213 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: kind of bullying, or you punched the guy in the face, 214 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: risking the chance that he could sue you, you know, 215 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: and that would be wrong in the sense of the law, 216 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: but you'll overcome the law because you see someone being oppressed. 217 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: So we have a little bit of that in us, 218 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: but more so we're driven by not by as he's suppressing, 219 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: but because it's wrong to do that. It's wrong to 220 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: do that to that woman. Correct, So that's what's driving us. 221 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Or if we're in the Far East, it is shameful. 222 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: It would be honorable for me to stop this shameful act, correct, 223 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: you know, corre so like it depends on your paradigm. 224 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: But what's happened is now we are being driven by 225 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: oppressed oppression. There's a certain group that's being driven by 226 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: that and it's a very large group. So that's why 227 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: they could see Charlie Kirk as an oppressor. And if 228 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: they do see him that way, which they did, then 229 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if he's murdered. It's a shame that 230 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: he's murdered. That's the bad. I don't like it that 231 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: he's murdered, and murder is wrong. They all say it 232 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: that way, but it's worth it, but it's worth it 233 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: is what they're saying, so much so that at the 234 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: extreme end of that, they celebrate it because victory has 235 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: been had in the cultural paradigm. 236 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: Celebrate and I can still only see right and wrong 237 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: even and we see that. 238 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: We can't fathom any We cannot fathom it. But guess 239 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: what they can't fathom us either, Yeah, it is. 240 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: It is because the oppression was so bad in their 241 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: mind from him. 242 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: Look at it either way, the right and wrong is 243 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: so bad in our minds that we can't see their 244 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: point of view, or the oppression is so bad in 245 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: their minds they can't see our point of view. And 246 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: that's definitely what's happening. People are posting on Amber's account. 247 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: They cannot see how Amber could be right, how could 248 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Amber support this man and his family? And I legitimately 249 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: think this is debatable maybe on this podcast, but I 250 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: legitimately think those people that post on Amber's account they're 251 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: decent people, like they're law abiding, good like if you 252 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: they're they're soccer moms, and they're they have businesses and 253 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: they they they tip waiters and they you know, they 254 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: they like they're. 255 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: The majority of their life would fit into your right wrong. 256 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're trying to get a gift for someone 257 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: that you think has everything, how about a special video 258 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: message from me. It's easy to do. Go to cameo 259 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: dot com slash granger Smith and you put in the 260 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: prompt what you want me to say. I get that 261 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: message on my phone. I'll say happy birthday, happy anniversary, 262 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: whatever personalized message you want me to say to whoever 263 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: you want me to say it to. I send it 264 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: to you and you give it to them. It's pretty cool. 265 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: Go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith. Yeah, I 266 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: don't want I hesitate biblically to say good people, but 267 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: what I want to say is they're good people, right 268 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: that are saying these things that are unfathomable to us. 269 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: But my argument is it's when you're in that paradigm 270 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: you can't understand ours either. You couldn't understand if you're 271 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: if you're in Japan and hopefully Cantaro's listening my Japanese, right, 272 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: If you're in Japan and you're deep in you're deep 273 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: seated in an honor shame. You couldn't imagine telling the 274 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: table at the restaurant my credit card is overdrafted. I 275 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: can't cover it. It is utterly shameful, that's why. And 276 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: that famously in the Japanese culture they take their own 277 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: lives with the sword. The Samurais would take their own 278 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: lives before they would dare be shamed in the letting 279 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: the enemy take their lives. They would much rather commit 280 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: suicide than their life be taken by another man in battle. 281 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: Uh. 282 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: And even more famous than that for us, the Kamakazi's 283 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: airplanes diving into ships using their their airplane as a 284 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: as a weapon. Because we could also say it with 285 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: the Twin Towers. They would rather destroy the enemy with 286 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: their own lives and be honored by that than to 287 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: be dishonored. And Americans would We don't Kamakazi. In America, 288 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: we don't take We surrender, you know, hopefully we don't. 289 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: Hopefully in Americas don't surrender. But but we would because 290 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: in our Western paradigm of right wrong. 291 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: Well, the John Wade would fight until you did kill me. 292 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the the ultimate extreme of that. I 293 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: will fight until until I die until I don't. 294 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: It's like the Alamo, you know well, and you think 295 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 3: you and you see examples of it with like Mark 296 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: Marcus Littrell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know he was 297 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 3: going to I'll fight with everything else, everything that I have. 298 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the the Alamo in Texas, yep. In a 299 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: in a Eastern paradigm, they would have all committed suicide 300 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: together in the Alamo before the Mexicans got to. 301 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: Him, because that would have been shameful. 302 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: Shameful for the enemy to take my life from me, 303 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: So I will take my life. So they fought to 304 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: the end because they were right. Wrong paradigm. 305 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: Then lay the lay the veil or the filter of 306 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: oppressed oppressor over that example. 307 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: So I'm going, I promise, I'm going somewhere I have 308 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: an answer to I'm not going to leave this podcast 309 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: without an answer because you're going they don't understand me, 310 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: and I don't understand them. And I promise everyone listening, 311 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: everyone listening right now. If you clicked on this video 312 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: or you clicked on this podcast link, you are experiencing 313 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: right now what we're talking about with someone in your circle. Yes, 314 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: someone related to you in some way, maybe if it's 315 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: just a friend on Facebook. You have seen someone doing 316 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: the opposite in reaction to Charlie Kirk as you could 317 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: possibly imagine, and it shocked you, and it has shocked you, 318 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: and you'll say such things as that person can't be 319 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: a Christian or that, but surely that person you'll you'll 320 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: say things with the assumption that, first of all, a 321 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: Christian is only someone who's repented in trust in Christ 322 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: for the salvation. Uh it would. So let's let's unpack 323 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: the the extent of what the paradigms mean when they 324 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: when they touch each other. So I wrote some of 325 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: these down. They're right wrong, I've been saying. You could 326 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: also say guilt, innocence, Okay, guilty or innocent, whether that's 327 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: what we see in America. Are they guiltier? In fact, 328 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: we say they're they're innocent until proven guilty. Like that's 329 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: how serious we are about it. 330 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 2: Innocence is way more important. 331 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: Innocence is more important. 332 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: It's where you error. You error on that side. 333 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: You you you everything's filtered through that. That's right. And 334 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: Jesus upholds this paradigm many times. In fact, he you 335 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: walk through the gospels and you see this guilty innocent 336 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: right wrong throughout the gospels. Jesus backs it up. Honor, shame, 337 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: Middle East, Mediterranean, much of Asia, right and wrong or 338 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: judged by whether behavior brings honor or shame to the 339 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: family or community. Yeah, you must maintain face, reputation, social standing, 340 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: response to wrongdoing, covering shame, restoring honor through reconciliation, sacrifice, 341 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: or sometimes revenge. Jesus covers this one too, Israel's shame 342 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: in their exile Christ Christ despising the shame on the cross. 343 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: Much of the Old Testament is hon or shame. It's covered, okay, 344 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: dirty clean, You could also say pure or unclean or 345 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: purity slash pollution. You see some of this in like 346 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: South Asia India. India is all about this. Sure Nepaual 347 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: Hindu influenced areas. Wrong is framed, is impure, polluted, defiled. 348 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: You want to stay clean, you want to avoid contamination. 349 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: You respond to this by purifying or avoiding things are 350 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: separating from the unclean. Guess what Jesus covers this one too, 351 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: covers all the paradigms. It's it's actually crazy where whatever 352 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: your paradigm is, when you read the Gospels, you're you 353 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: could be related, you could relate to the disciples. And 354 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: Jesus is teaching through all of this, through every paradigm 355 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: I have some examples of how Jesus addresses these, but 356 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: let's let's go back to the the new emerging one, 357 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: oppressed suppressor. To some extent, Jesus addresses this one too, 358 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: but not in a systematic way. You know, all this 359 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: talk of critical theory and systematic oppression or or or 360 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: the idea of being a victim. Sure you know that's 361 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: not that's not what we're talking about. But Jesus did 362 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: proclaim good news to the poor. He proclaimed liberty to 363 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: the captives, He released the oppressed looke for eighteen. He 364 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: condemned unjust leaders. In Matthew twenty three, he taught his 365 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: followers that true greatness is by serving. In fact, we 366 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: in our family worship this morning, we talked about this 367 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: that I told the kids. I said, what does it 368 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: mean to be the goat the greatest of all time? 369 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: In our culture? It means trophies and winning and talent 370 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: and money and victory. And Jesus said, the greatest among 371 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: you will be the one who serves right. So I 372 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: was trying to teach my kids, and because that's not 373 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: their paradigm, they don't. They don't. The gospel has to 374 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: break through for they could possibly understand how you could 375 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: be great by serving. But what happens is that in 376 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: the new idea of oppressed verse oppressor, this reduces morality 377 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: to power power struggle. So it makes anyone who has 378 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: money or anyone who's in a power position becomes an oppressor. Right, 379 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be said through, but it's another 380 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: conversation for another time. How Charlie Kirk has been labeled 381 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: a racist and it's a complete straw man attack on 382 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: everything he said. It's taking it's breaking down his argument 383 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: to a very simple wrong argument and then attacking that 384 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: wrong argument. That's what straw maning is essentially. So anything 385 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: has to do with racism and Charlie Kirk, I would 386 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: just invite someone not for this podcast for another time, 387 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: to just look at the whole argument he was making 388 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: and you'll find it was never about race. 389 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: Correct. 390 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: Correct. The other problem here is that it fuels cycles 391 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: of violence. When you feel like someone's oppressing you, your 392 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: reaction is I need to stop this. And sometimes the 393 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: only way to stop something is to get violent. And 394 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: when you're your paradigm is oppressed oppressor, then once again 395 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: morality are right wrong comes under it, So violence is 396 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: okay as long as you're satisfying the cultural paradigm. Right, 397 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: So violence, murder, even murder, it's okay. In this instance. 398 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 2: We saw a lot of this after George Floyd. 399 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: Yes we did, Yes. 400 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: We done. 401 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: It's okay to burn down a city because I felt depressed. 402 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: And they even at that time they even used the 403 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: word oppressed. This is these were oppressed people. Yes, and 404 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 3: it's they're just they're just lashing out. It is okay, Yes, 405 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: that's not. 406 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: So. It also leaves no room for grace because when 407 00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: someone has oppressed you, there's no grace and it's very, 408 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: very hard to reconcile. I have more notes here, but 409 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: I think but we could look at it this way. 410 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: Jesus confronts injustice, not by violence. Never does Jesus use 411 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: violence to confront an oppressor. He sees oppression, he sees it, 412 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: and he confronts it, but never with violence. Instead of 413 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: over overthrowing his oppressors, he lays down his life for them. 414 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,959 Speaker 3: That's right, I mean, it's the So even to the 415 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: point where guards were coming to take him, and what Peter, Peter, 416 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: Peter wanted to fight. 417 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he said no, no, no, So so So what 418 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: do we do with all this? I know I've been 419 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: talking a lot, but what do we do Well, We're 420 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: stuck with our cultural paradigms. I can't fix it. I 421 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: can't sit down and people go, well, dialogue, you know, 422 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: that's what Charlie Kirk wanted. Dialogue. To some extent, dialogue 423 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: doesn't break through cultural paradigms. It doesn't. And I think 424 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: we know. Anyone that's ever argued or had a discussion 425 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: with someone that has an opposite cultural paradigm with us 426 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: knows there ain't no convincing. Charlie Kirk had a big 427 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: sign that said, prove me wrong. But to some extent, 428 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: there are some things that just can't be proven wrong 429 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: because when your cultural paradigm is one direction, it doesn't change. 430 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: It's a mental map. It is ingrained in your cerebrum 431 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: and it will not change. It can't accept one thing. 432 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: The gospel. The Gospel is the only thing that could 433 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: ease a cultural paradigm. And I don't think we were 434 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: ever meant as humans to not have one. It would 435 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: be weird to not have a cultural paradigm. But what 436 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: the what the gospel does is it breaks down the 437 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: rigid walls. It just tears down, tears down the walls 438 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: of Jericho. You could say, yeah, so that so that 439 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: the gods as the Gospel takes root, and this is 440 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: this would be the message to the people that that celebrated. 441 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: Charlie kirksch Murder, I would say this. I would say, 442 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: look to Christ and Colossians One says that he is 443 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: the image of the invisible God, the first born of 444 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: all creation. For by him all things were created and 445 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions, 446 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: or rulers or authorities, all things were created through him 447 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: and for him. And he is before all things, even 448 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: cultural paradigms, and in him all things hold together. And 449 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: he is the head of the body of the Church. 450 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: He's the beginning, the first born from the dead, that 451 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: in everything, that in everything he might be pre eminent. 452 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: For in him all the fullness of God was pleased 453 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: to dwell and through him to reconcile to himself self 454 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace 455 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: by the blood of his cross man. And then when 456 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: you hear that, you understand that peace comes from the 457 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: blood of his cross. He makes peace in that way, 458 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: and you, he says, who were once alienated and hostile 459 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: in mind doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in 460 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: his body of flesh by his death, in order to 461 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: present you holy and blameless. Who's Who's you the one 462 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: who is evil? And reproach before him if indeed you 463 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: continue in the faith stable insteadfast, not shifting from from 464 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has 465 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, 466 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: Paul the Apostle, became a minister. That is, that is 467 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: unbelievable to think that you, who were once alienated, hostile 468 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: in mind, doing evil deeds, are wa believing whatever cultural 469 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: paradigm that you believe. All of this is broken down 470 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: by the blood of the cross. There is peace brought 471 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: about by Jesus from the blood of the cross. Okay, 472 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: here's an interesting thought. Peace from what have you ever 473 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: thought about this? Aunt? Peace from what I'm flipping around 474 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 1: the bile here? Okay, Romans five gives us that answer. 475 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: Peace from what Jesus came to bring peace to his 476 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: people division in the world, peace to his people, correct, 477 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: But peace from what Romans five one gives us that 478 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: answer and this might be shocking to some. Therefore, since 479 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: we have been justified by faith or saved by faith, 480 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: we have peace with God. Whoa peace with God? What 481 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: what does he mean by that? We'll skip down to 482 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: verse nine. Since therefore we've been justified by his blood. 483 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: Much more shall we be saved by him from the 484 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: wrath of God? Verse ten? For if while we were enemies, 485 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: we were reconciled to God by the death of his son, 486 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be 487 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: saved by his life? We are saved from the wrath 488 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: of God. Jesus came, died on the cross, became a 489 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: substitute for what we deserved, and took on that wrath 490 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: and his own body, the wrath caused by our sin 491 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: that has separated us from a holy God. We were 492 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: enemies before, before we're in Christ. We're enemies with God 493 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: and we need peace with him. Because you can't war 494 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: against the Holy God. You will not win that war. 495 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: So Jesus comes to make peace with the cross for 496 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: those who put their trust in him. This is the 497 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: only thing that breaks down these cultural paradigms. 498 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 3: It is it, and Paul write Ephesians, right I wrote Ephesians. 499 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: Yes. 500 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 3: In Ephesians four, he says, to make every effort to 501 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: keep yourselves united in the spirit, that spirit, the same spirit, 502 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 3: binding yourselves together with peace, binding yourselves together with peace. 503 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: Just on that same page in Ephesians two, look at 504 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: verse fourteen. What does your translations say verse fourt Epheesians 505 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: two teen. 506 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united 507 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 3: Jews and Gentiles into one people, when in his own 508 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: body on the cross, he broke down the wall of 509 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 3: hostility that separated us. 510 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: So in the Greek it's going to say he is 511 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: our peace, not just rot. Rot makes it easy to understand. 512 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: But for he himself is our peace, who has made 513 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: us both one and has broken down in his flesh 514 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: the dividing wall of hostility. He reconciles us verse sixteen, 515 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: to God in one body through the cross, therefore killing 516 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: the hostility. And he came and preached peace to you 517 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: who were far off, in peace to those who were near. 518 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting, Luke sixteen forty four is one of my 519 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: favorite verses. And Jesus said, he's giving this big dissertation, 520 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: and he says, I have spoken these things to you, 521 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: so that in me, you will have peace in the world. 522 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: You'll have trouble or tribulation, but hay heart or in 523 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: some timeations, but don't be afraid or don't be alarmed. 524 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: I have overcome the world. Take heart, I have overcome 525 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: the world. This is the only thing that breaks down 526 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: cultural paradigms, and I believe, I firmly believe that these 527 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: these cultural paradigms are will help us more to love 528 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: our neighbor and to love our enemies as we've been 529 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: called to forgive, as we have been forgiven. Because you could, 530 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: you don't so much see them as as having a 531 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: hostile idea against you. More so, they are in a 532 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: there I don't want to use that word trapped, because 533 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: I would have to say that of myself as well. 534 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: But they are embedded, deeply ingrained, and a certain way 535 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: of looking at life, just like I am. And the 536 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: only thing that breaks down my wall and their wall 537 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: the Gospel. And I can't break down their wall, but 538 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: I could break down mind through the Gospel so that 539 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: I could look to them even though they're fortified in 540 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: their wall, and I could tell them the Gospel, and 541 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: I could love them, and I could forgive them, but. 542 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 2: The Gospel can't break down their wall to. 543 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: And the Gospel could break down their wall, but I 544 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: need to be able to. I need to be able 545 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: to the Gospel will take root in my life so 546 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: that my wall comes down. So it's like these two 547 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: galactic battleships with their force fields up, and the Gospel 548 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: is the only thing that breaks down the force fields. 549 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I need my I need the Gospel to break down 550 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: mine so I could see that galactic battleship for what 551 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: it is, and. 552 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: That could only happen with humility, and humility is what 553 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 3: you have to have before you can serve. Yeah, that's 554 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 3: why he calls us to serve one another. 555 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me. 556 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 2: Amen. 557 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: Deny yourself and your cultural paradigms, as difficult as it 558 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: might be. So my message to someone that celebrated the 559 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: the death of Charlie Kirk, I would say that what 560 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: we saw that the murder is a is a tremendous sin, 561 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: and to celebrate sin would be a sin in itself. 562 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: But I, in response to that, what will also sin 563 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: by thinking evil thoughts in my heart against that person. 564 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: So my my moral high ground doesn't defeat the fact 565 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: that I go, you're celebrating sin. I hate you, you 566 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: know so, Jesus says, it is defeating one that one 567 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: that hates his brother murders him in his heart. The 568 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: only thing to heal all of this is I need 569 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: a new heart, and so do you. We both need 570 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: new hearts, out of which we will not get anything done. 571 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: Besides sin and hate and deceit and murder and lawlessness, 572 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: it just never ends. I can't take I can't take 573 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: a moral high ground. I can't because that's what they're doing. 574 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: We have to understand that the person that sees Charlie 575 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: Kirk's murder is a good thing is not doing it 576 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: because they think they're they're acting on evil ways. They 577 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: think they're acting on a moral high ground, right better 578 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: than mine, And they think I'm acting on evil ways 579 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not. I think I'm taking the moral high ground. 580 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: None of this works. The force fields have to come down, 581 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: the walls of Jericho have to drop, and the only 582 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: thing that does that is the gospel taking root, recognizing 583 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. A 584 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: Roman's fine. They Oh my goodness, I talked a lot. 585 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: That's great. 586 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: But that's my message. 587 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 3: And I see this whole idea coming up more and 588 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 3: more as we talk through stuff, this new paradigm, as 589 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: we talked through two more podcasts going up. 590 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you guys have more comments, comment below. If 591 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: you have a way, like if you're watching this on YouTube, 592 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: comment below, tell me I'm wrong, tell me you know. 593 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: Let's let's open this dialogue. And I don't know. I'm 594 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: assuming most people are on the side of the fence 595 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: of saying that the murder was horrible, but we might 596 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,280 Speaker 1: have a few people listening to go, no, it was justified. 597 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: I want to hear from both of you, and and 598 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: and I pray that the gospel takes root in everyone. Yeah, 599 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: and I think it's it's certainly murder is not right 600 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: in any in any situation. So yeah, ay man, love 601 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with 602 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: me on this episode of the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate 603 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: you being here. 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