Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. We'll meet you at Oilcome
Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansons. I come to the main room
Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Mark Sessler, Greg Roosevelt, great Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 1: Well Gang, it disturbs my slumber. Here we are here,
Speaker 1: we are now, I guess what are we about? Ten
Speaker 1: days out from Super Bowl Sunday. And also the last
Speaker 1: time you heard from us, of course, that was under
Speaker 1: extremely trying circumstances in the in the wake of West's passing,
Speaker 1: and we all took some time obviously to digest everything
Speaker 1: that had happened. And I, for one, I'm feeling better
Speaker 1: having that time away from the mic and everything. Uh.
Speaker 1: And now here we are again, Greg doing doing our show,
Speaker 1: because that's what we do. Even if you know, without West,
Speaker 1: it's never gonna be quite the same ever again, no won't,
Speaker 1: but it is what we do. I feel it was
Speaker 1: what we do did during Super Bowl week. You know,
Speaker 1: there's like that expression tweeting, you know, tweeting through it.
Speaker 1: It's like we were podcasting through it. So that was
Speaker 1: a lot um. That was obviously the toughest week we
Speaker 1: we've ever had as a podcast. Um, but we appreciate
Speaker 1: everyone reaching out about what that that West pod meant
Speaker 1: to them because it was definitely you know, for the
Speaker 1: listeners too, because we know you guys are hurting, um
Speaker 1: that that we're listening and it's like we're all we're
Speaker 1: all going through it together. It's all different, but there's
Speaker 1: no what mark you said this, there's no roadmap for this,
Speaker 1: so we're we're figuring out as we go, and it's
Speaker 1: good to have. It's good to have Connie Fox member
Speaker 1: of the family this today too. It's good to be here.
Speaker 1: It's been really weird these last two weeks. I m asked,
Speaker 1: who disturbed my slumber because I've just been sleeping a
Speaker 1: lot um and taking nature walks. So good, good, good solution.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, it's a super Bowl was super
Speaker 1: weird and um, it doesn't even feel like it really happened,
Speaker 1: to be honest, like even even thinking about like those
Speaker 1: the Saturday and the Sunday and Tampa were just like
Speaker 1: such a surreal blur and I feel like they were
Speaker 1: probably it was like probably the hardest weekend maybe of
Speaker 1: like maybe of my life, definitely of my career, like it,
Speaker 1: and they both coincided. They both like just kind of
Speaker 1: overlapped so much. So it's been it's been really weird.
Speaker 1: But um here listening to the podcast that you guys did,
Speaker 1: it took me a couple of days. I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: if I wanted to even do it, or if I
Speaker 1: could really do it, or what it was going to
Speaker 1: be like. But so many of the listeners talked about
Speaker 1: how great it was and how it was just so
Speaker 1: nice to hear you guys talk about West, and when
Speaker 1: I listened, it was so comforting and it was honestly
Speaker 1: exactly what I needed. I laughed, I cried. I was
Speaker 1: like when when Cessler was talking about the I An
Speaker 1: Eagle story, Just like, there were so many things, the
Speaker 1: real punches when you punched some Walt in the stomach.
Speaker 1: I mean there there were just so many memories that
Speaker 1: came rushing back that made me laugh and smile, and
Speaker 1: it was it was really great. I mean, in West's memory,
Speaker 1: it should be said that it was Mark that was
Speaker 1: punching people, not Lest According to according to Zumwalt, who
Speaker 1: chimed in later, I punched him in the face, not
Speaker 1: the stomach, which is uh um problematic. But I but
Speaker 1: I would I would say also Connie, like um for
Speaker 1: you to say what you did, um that morning before
Speaker 1: the aim. I mean, I know that was incredibly challenging.
Speaker 1: I think that we were all um from a professional
Speaker 1: covering football angle, um stretched. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: word is that day to do something that I don't
Speaker 1: think that we knew we could we could do going
Speaker 1: in but um, in the days since, like I've I've
Speaker 1: I we all have to do it differently, and I'm
Speaker 1: closer to the nature walks um. Not that I've taken
Speaker 1: a lot, but I've just spent it in deep isolation
Speaker 1: a lot and thinking so much about West but kind
Speaker 1: of feeling um these like energy pulses of his friendship
Speaker 1: and these memories and just going through old podcasts and
Speaker 1: like they brought me some comfort. And I know also
Speaker 1: that this isn't just about us, Um. There's such a
Speaker 1: community attached to this that it's been a completely different
Speaker 1: experience for all of us, I think than any sort
Speaker 1: of loss we've suffered of a person a close friend.
Speaker 1: And so UM, You're right, Greg, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the roadmap is. I mean, there certainly isn't one, but
Speaker 1: I do feel that it feels right to get back
Speaker 1: together and continue to do what it is that we've
Speaker 1: done since the minute we were all together with West. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you and you nailed it there with the word community.
Speaker 1: And you know, West passed away Friday afternoon before the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, which was extraordinary in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: the timing of it, um obviously, and we wrestled with
Speaker 1: whether or not to do any type of show on
Speaker 1: Sunday night before landing on doing you know, just a
Speaker 1: conversation essentially about West and a big part of that
Speaker 1: the reasoning, as hard as it was, and it was
Speaker 1: not necessarily something that we uh felt like we wanted
Speaker 1: to do, but there was this community that's built up
Speaker 1: over um seven years of podcasting people who and we've
Speaker 1: heard it and it's really an honor um. It's not
Speaker 1: a humble brag, but we've heard it from thousands of people,
Speaker 1: both on social media and when we've gone to different
Speaker 1: live shows, whether it's here in the States or over
Speaker 1: in London, how people said that they view us as
Speaker 1: friends that were like people that they relate to, and
Speaker 1: it's and that's part of the reason why they liked
Speaker 1: the show. So we knew when the news was gonna
Speaker 1: go out there that West was gone that um, it
Speaker 1: didn't feel right to leave you the listeners hanging um.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, for me, this whole this past
Speaker 1: week and a half is and that's awesome, Um, listening
Speaker 1: to old shows and watching old shows. Mark, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet, Like I It just that I
Speaker 1: think that's part of processing for me, like that he's
Speaker 1: not here anymore, is watching him and and I think
Speaker 1: I'd like to get to that point. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: I will will be able to listen and watch the
Speaker 1: shows of us all together. And Mark, you texted right
Speaker 1: before we started, like one of the things that's gone
Speaker 1: from the show forever is his laugh. Like West's laugh
Speaker 1: was infectious and it was part of like the soundtrack
Speaker 1: of of this show, um, and the energy of this show.
Speaker 1: So it's it's hard for me to like get to
Speaker 1: that point to hear him again, but I will because
Speaker 1: that's what we do have. That's what's left behind these
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of hours of us to get there,
Speaker 1: and to me, like so much was taken from West,
Speaker 1: um cruelly and dying as young as he did. And
Speaker 1: for me, the number one thing that hit me personally
Speaker 1: is being a father was taken from him UH to
Speaker 1: LINK and being able to raise link with Lakisha and UM.
Speaker 1: For me, I kind of just disappeared off social media,
Speaker 1: from texting, phone calls and just spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with my family and my boys Jack and Harrison
Speaker 1: and and I did feel closer to them because I
Speaker 1: know what I get to have and what we all
Speaker 1: get to have UM UM Mark and Greg is that
Speaker 1: bond and that was what was denied West, which was
Speaker 1: just so unfair. And I feel like that to me
Speaker 1: help being around the boys. And we went up to
Speaker 1: Big Bear Mountain this weekend with my friend Bob and
Speaker 1: his family and that was and that was nice. So UM,
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I'm at person There is this
Speaker 1: one thing that we've each sort of pointed out, and
Speaker 1: I think we all realized it in different ways that
Speaker 1: UM link does have one special thing and we'll we'll
Speaker 1: go through the machinations to make sure all of these
Speaker 1: episodes UM remain there indelibly. But you know, I, I
Speaker 1: can think of people that have lost to parents and
Speaker 1: you don't have much more than a couple of photographs
Speaker 1: or UM maybe you know, leftover voicemails. But Link will
Speaker 1: have no question about the personality of his father because
Speaker 1: it's not just his takes on football. I mean, when
Speaker 1: I think about our show, it's like West going absolutely
Speaker 1: off on subject x um or like the video we
Speaker 1: saw of him, you know, unfurling, like a forty five
Speaker 1: minute rant on the size of of um paper towels.
Speaker 1: I mean, these things are out there, and there's gonna
Speaker 1: just be like a lot in time for Link to
Speaker 1: dig into and realize how special is Dad with It's
Speaker 1: so nice that we that we have Link selfishly because
Speaker 1: it's like a link to West Um and Greg came
Speaker 1: over a few days ago, sat basically in this tree
Speaker 1: that's behind me, uh and and we we talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, just just Wes and and how just how
Speaker 1: much he meant to so many people in so many
Speaker 1: different ways. And and for me last week it was
Speaker 1: just reading through all of the listeners comments on things
Speaker 1: because I didn't really get a chance to to kind
Speaker 1: of process any of it when I was in Tampa.
Speaker 1: It was like deep compartmentalizing everything um. And then once
Speaker 1: I got home, I kind of just like poured through
Speaker 1: every single comment of and of anything I could find.
Speaker 1: I was going through deep rabbit holes on all of
Speaker 1: your social, on all of my social, like every anything
Speaker 1: that I could find, because like in that moment, it
Speaker 1: just brought me so much comfort. And I do there
Speaker 1: were a lot of people that um responded to what
Speaker 1: I had to say on Super Bowl Sunday with well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why she had to go rogue or why,
Speaker 1: like you know, it was off script, why they wouldn't
Speaker 1: give her the opportunity to talk about West, and I
Speaker 1: I feel like I should say that they did, and
Speaker 1: they they wanted me to say something about West, and
Speaker 1: they asked me that morning on Super Bowl Sunday, And
Speaker 1: as soon as they asked me, I was like, there's
Speaker 1: there's no way I can even imagine figuring out how
Speaker 1: to put any of this into words, how to articulate
Speaker 1: like what West meant to us just personally at the
Speaker 1: network in general. And then all day that whole day
Speaker 1: when I was doing the show, I kept thinking, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, Let me do it, and then
Speaker 1: I would start thinking about West and I would immediately
Speaker 1: start welling up and crying, and I'm like, Okay, not
Speaker 1: doing it, not gonna do it, it's not happening. And
Speaker 1: I was literally deciding up until like seconds before I
Speaker 1: did it, and it was I feel like it was
Speaker 1: one of those moments where I just completely blacked out
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sure if I made complete sentences or what.
Speaker 1: And then you know, in in retrospect, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe I didn't take more time and say more
Speaker 1: about him, because like he was just such an amazing
Speaker 1: special person, and go, I I even you know, as
Speaker 1: part of my I guess grieving process, I of course
Speaker 1: started going through old text messages and like the one
Speaker 1: thing that really there was a bunch of things that
Speaker 1: really like stood out to me. Um, how many times
Speaker 1: West would text me to say like how proud he
Speaker 1: was me, Okay, no I'm crying, I'm gonna want to cry.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cry. I'm not gonna do it. But
Speaker 1: he was always just like so supportive. And that was
Speaker 1: the thing, Like when I was listening to the podcast
Speaker 1: and when Mark he were talking about how it was
Speaker 1: like so incredible when you would get approval from West
Speaker 1: on football stuff, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like I feel so seen because when I first came
Speaker 1: to the network. I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was like swimming and I had no friends, and
Speaker 1: you guys were my first friends when I came to
Speaker 1: l A. And I remember just trying to find my
Speaker 1: and the few times, the first few times when I
Speaker 1: would do any of these segments or or you know
Speaker 1: NFL Now when it was NFL now, or this podcast
Speaker 1: with West and he would agree with me, it was
Speaker 1: like my confidence just grew so much and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yes, you know what, I can do this,
Speaker 1: and I will go say this exact same thing to
Speaker 1: someone else and feel good about it because West thinks
Speaker 1: it was right, so yes, and it was so huge.
Speaker 1: So that was like that was the one thing that
Speaker 1: one of the things that really um jumped out at me.
Speaker 1: And when he would he would just text me randomly,
Speaker 1: like after a Thursday night show and be like, I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of you, look at what you're doing. Like
Speaker 1: he was just always just so present and and never
Speaker 1: just like letting things pass him by. He never took
Speaker 1: anything for granted, and he always, I think, wanted to
Speaker 1: keep everything in perspective for the people that he loved too.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that I noticed from going
Speaker 1: through text with him was how many times, Now, there
Speaker 1: were a lot of times that I came and hang
Speaker 1: out and we all hung out a lot, and we
Speaker 1: still do, but how many times I said, no, I can,
Speaker 1: I gotta prep for a show, or I gotta prep
Speaker 1: for draft, or like some meaningless thing that I was
Speaker 1: doing and I have now kind of I'm trying to
Speaker 1: take inventory on that and trying to create like a
Speaker 1: better work life balance. And you guys are work, but
Speaker 1: you're also life, and so I'm I'm trying to see
Speaker 1: if I can like maybe have some type of better
Speaker 1: balance where yeah, I say, you know what, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to prep for like seven weeks for one show
Speaker 1: and like I'll come out and hang out with you guys,
Speaker 1: because that is like really the most important thing or
Speaker 1: creating those moments and we're so lucky to have so
Speaker 1: many of them With West. I like, I like the
Speaker 1: idea of your your infamous prep a binder coming to life,
Speaker 1: growing arms and legs and attacking you for saying that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny because one of my first
Speaker 1: memories with West was when we uh we traveled to
Speaker 1: it was the draft in Chicago and I had an
Speaker 1: entire carry on twocates filled with binders. What are you
Speaker 1: doing with all of this? And I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just need to have all of the
Speaker 1: information at my fingertips. And I remember he was like,
Speaker 1: leave one behind and I was like, really you think so,
Speaker 1: and He's like, you're not gonna need it, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, okay. So we picked the heaviest one
Speaker 1: and took my name out of the front because our
Speaker 1: research department like puts your name and NFL media in
Speaker 1: the front. So I just like I took my name
Speaker 1: out of the front and then just left it at
Speaker 1: the gate at the airport and one of like the
Speaker 1: seats and that me and West just last wow. Uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, sorry I cut you off. Greg. I know
Speaker 1: you were going to say, I don't either. At this point,
Speaker 1: I love listening to you. It is Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: we're going to get to football quickly, and like there's
Speaker 1: no like no great you know transition for that. But
Speaker 1: West is going to be like part of this show.
Speaker 1: And that's sort of that has sort of helped me.
Speaker 1: I really struggled, and you know, when we did that podcast.
Speaker 1: Even even now, it's like I'm selfish, Like I think
Speaker 1: of those times, you know, hanging out with West. That's
Speaker 1: what I what I think of the West. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's like private and that's almost like so precious to me.
Speaker 1: Um that it's that it's hard to to share like
Speaker 1: with a mic uh in in front of your face. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's like the opposite of how West would feel. West.
Speaker 1: West would be like you know, there is no difference.
Speaker 1: He's a hundred percent himself all the time. I try
Speaker 1: to be that way, and like he he would want
Speaker 1: to share it all with the listeners and he did.
Speaker 1: There was no like, there was no bs um to that.
Speaker 1: So I think that's like a good a good thing
Speaker 1: that that I think about. And and you did hit
Speaker 1: me there, uh um Dan talking about Link. I do know,
Speaker 1: I do know how much he he did appreciate, like
Speaker 1: the time he did add with Link that too. I
Speaker 1: saw him more than anyone, um, I mean in my
Speaker 1: life over this pandemic and got to see a lot
Speaker 1: with Lincoln man. He really he did appreciate the time
Speaker 1: he had with him, which meant a lot. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: remember having conversations with him when Lakisha was pregnant about
Speaker 1: fatherhood and and um, yeah, I'm I'm glad he did
Speaker 1: get the time that he did have. Um, and yes,
Speaker 1: we are a football podcast, so and we've been dark.
Speaker 1: And and again the timing of when this all went down,
Speaker 1: you know, the fact we didn't talk about the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna do some news today and
Speaker 1: and just kind of download everything that's happened. And I
Speaker 1: think Tonny, you and I were texting back and forth
Speaker 1: this morning, Um, like you're the same, I'm the same
Speaker 1: as you, and I think it might be everybody. In
Speaker 1: addition to kind of going dark over the last week
Speaker 1: and a half, I wasn't exactly like pound and refreshed
Speaker 1: on NFL dot com and and and the like, just
Speaker 1: seeing what was going on in the NFL. So when
Speaker 1: I was going through things this morning, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: Hamed Hameda like a lot of stuff. I gave myself
Speaker 1: a present and literally closed down Twitter except for my
Speaker 1: tennis burner account that was my self care Like my
Speaker 1: tennis burner account still was tracking the Aussie Open. Did
Speaker 1: not see anything else until we got back. Greg. It's
Speaker 1: a very big Jess Pagoula fan. Greg, did you turn
Speaker 1: off the uh NFL network at your house, though, that
Speaker 1: would be the real test. The Twitter is a whole
Speaker 1: different story. We had no football, no nothing. I'm all right,
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear. Yes, Jeff Pagoula, the daughter of
Speaker 1: the Pagoulas that owned the Bills, made it to the
Speaker 1: quarterfinals of the Aussie Open. Look at me, Greg, all
Speaker 1: plugged in. I didn't even know that I was that
Speaker 1: one guy with the name that I can't really pronounce
Speaker 1: pounded his racket so hard into the ground that he
Speaker 1: damaged the ground and broke his racket. He's the same
Speaker 1: guy that hit the lady with the tennis ball at
Speaker 1: the US Open and got to squal find what's that
Speaker 1: dude steal? Greg Djokovic? Djokovic, Yeah, what's up with him?
Speaker 1: Give us some quarts of thunder analysis here before we
Speaker 1: get into the NFL talk. Well we you know, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing my Naomi Osaka sweatshirt today in honor of what's
Speaker 1: my Super Bowl tonight, Serena Osaka. It's in primetime on
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't get
Speaker 1: much better than that. Look at you, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's something to look forward to, Greg and yes, let's
Speaker 1: get before we get to the news, let's let's share
Speaker 1: some uh mini seg that I'd like to call justifiably
Speaker 1: tardy Super Bowl takeaways. The Chiefs get their doors blown
Speaker 1: off by the Bucks. Um. I think it was thirty
Speaker 1: eight nine something like that. Um. And just curious what
Speaker 1: you guys thought. I like, you guys kind of watched
Speaker 1: the game in the haze. Um. But definitely it was
Speaker 1: memorable for obvious reasons. Um, Greg, what was your kind
Speaker 1: of you have a kind of above the tree tops takeaway?
Speaker 1: To use some corporate jargon, I do, But first I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with like the smallest takeaway possible, which is
Speaker 1: that like the Bulls of Sons was coming. You know,
Speaker 1: it started with the four of us doing the podcast
Speaker 1: that West is during week one of Bucks or what
Speaker 1: was it? You know, Bucks packers back in and now
Speaker 1: Bucks panthers straight to the top. Um. But now, my
Speaker 1: my bigger point was what a bummer it was for
Speaker 1: Andy Reid that and this is a sad way to
Speaker 1: think about the Super Bowl but the fact that his son,
Speaker 1: who is now no longer with the team, was suspended
Speaker 1: and then ultimately fired because of this tragic accident that
Speaker 1: involved drinking two nights before the Super Bowl. Um, and
Speaker 1: it's going to be part of what I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like that the sides the game or not,
Speaker 1: but it's certainly ruined Andy Reid's Super Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be looking back on this and he's he's
Speaker 1: a guy, as you know calling and our listeners probably too,
Speaker 1: that's had a lot of family tragedy with his son,
Speaker 1: that's been very tied into with his sons, that's been
Speaker 1: tied into his teams because they they've worked for him.
Speaker 1: And I just love Andy Reid and I think so
Speaker 1: many players of his due too. And for this to
Speaker 1: happen two nights before the Super Bowl where you have
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and his prime and you get the doors
Speaker 1: blown off you as he said, thirty eight to nine,
Speaker 1: and that Reid had a terrible game, you know, choosing
Speaker 1: to go for the field goal right before halftime and
Speaker 1: then taking some of the most bizarre time outs I've
Speaker 1: ever seen when the Bucks just wanted to get to
Speaker 1: the half um only up one score, and Andy Reid
Speaker 1: has taken time out because he's got faith in his
Speaker 1: defense on third and short and they go and score
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That was like game over to me. Uh,
Speaker 1: he had no answers for what Bowls was doing. That
Speaker 1: everything possible that could have gone poorly from Reid's perspective,
Speaker 1: I think did and that and that, and that is
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I think he's one of the all time greats.
Speaker 1: But now this is you know, a couple a couple
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls, but especially this one really stands out
Speaker 1: as as something that he's gonna have to wear and
Speaker 1: and that he'll he'll try to recover from. I was
Speaker 1: really surprised that we didn't talk about it more. Um
Speaker 1: And granted, like I was in a day's um pretty
Speaker 1: much Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but I I didn't. I thought
Speaker 1: it was kind of odd that we didn't talk more
Speaker 1: about Andy Reid and the distraction that this was because
Speaker 1: it was his son and right and and so many
Speaker 1: times we're like, oh, is this good? Is juju a
Speaker 1: distraction for dancing on the logo? I mean, just dumb
Speaker 1: stuff that we decide is maybe a distraction. Um, that
Speaker 1: is a huge distraction that is super serious before the
Speaker 1: biggest game of the year, and it's the head coach's son.
Speaker 1: So I think that that that played a massive role
Speaker 1: in the outcome of the game. And I was also
Speaker 1: just so shocked at how many penalties, uh, just the
Speaker 1: penalties in the first half that the Chiefs took. There
Speaker 1: were just so many, and they just kept it just
Speaker 1: like wasn't there wasn't the way that they play ever,
Speaker 1: and it just seemed like, you know, they had I
Speaker 1: think they had like eight different penalties maybe in the
Speaker 1: first half that it was just it was so uncharacteristic
Speaker 1: of them to play it out. They were so bad
Speaker 1: get dominated like that, Sony, it didn't make any sense. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that they a team that had been a
Speaker 1: proven champion, reigning Super Bowl champion, that had every chance
Speaker 1: when they faced adversity over the past two off two postseasons,
Speaker 1: they always stepped up. And then this game they get
Speaker 1: punched in the mouth, they get punched in the mouth again,
Speaker 1: they get punched in the mouth again, then they get
Speaker 1: an upper cut, then a body blow, and then they're
Speaker 1: on the canvas and they just don't get up and
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, what happened here with this team? Mark?
Speaker 1: What's your take away? Well? I think that you know,
Speaker 1: in general, covering football a blind spot for the vast
Speaker 1: majority of people that didn't play, and I don't really
Speaker 1: worry about that. Dynamic generally is a lack of understanding
Speaker 1: of offensive line, and I think that there, you know,
Speaker 1: with two weeks percolating to discuss this game, we knew
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs had injuries along the offensive line, but
Speaker 1: losing Eric Fisher, one of the more maligned first round
Speaker 1: picks during our time at the NFL. UM I think
Speaker 1: really UM impacted this in incredible ways. I mean, their
Speaker 1: offensive line was dominated. To your point, Greg Todd Bowls,
Speaker 1: UM I thought was doing incredible things all game long
Speaker 1: to make life really tough on everyone. UM Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: had like what sixteen yards at half or whatever. It
Speaker 1: was a non factor, and we wondered, how can you
Speaker 1: possibly slow this offense? And it turned out to your
Speaker 1: point on the penalties, there was that one drive that
Speaker 1: I thought the game seemed over this point. My homes
Speaker 1: had he was four for thirteen for thirty six yards.
Speaker 1: In their defense gave up incredible the UM, I thought
Speaker 1: incredibly costly holding penalties, the first one in or in
Speaker 1: the in this one drive wiped out a honey Badger
Speaker 1: tipped ball interception. The second one turned to Ryan suck
Speaker 1: up forty yard field goal. It converted into a first down,
Speaker 1: and they marched down the field and throw a touchdown
Speaker 1: to Rob Gronkowski that also had a holding penalty on
Speaker 1: that play. I mean, the defense was coming apart at
Speaker 1: the scenes, and we trust Andy Reid in the Chiefs
Speaker 1: and they're high faluting, you know, staff to make adjustments
Speaker 1: at halftime. And if I told you that their second
Speaker 1: half for the Chiefs would have been a field goal,
Speaker 1: an interception, UM, a drive that ended on downs on
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay eleven, another drive that ended a downs
Speaker 1: at the Tampa Bay twenties seven, and then a Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes interception to end their season. Um. How many people
Speaker 1: saw that coming. I think the level of beat down
Speaker 1: it has to be considered somewhat shocking. The Tampa Bay defense.
Speaker 1: That was, uh super Bowl history wise, a performance You're
Speaker 1: always gonna remember just the dominance of it and who
Speaker 1: it came against. And you know my point. I think
Speaker 1: Jason liked that the GM and the powers that be
Speaker 1: um in Tampa. But since the GM is usually the
Speaker 1: face of these things, one of the great heaters I
Speaker 1: can ever remember over the past calendar year, UM that
Speaker 1: the Bucks went on um in terms of team building
Speaker 1: that culminated with the Super Bowl win. And I looked
Speaker 1: at I went and found an article before the season started,
Speaker 1: just to get a better idea of who came and
Speaker 1: who went entering this season. And of course Tom Brady
Speaker 1: was the big import and it played out um incredibly
Speaker 1: well where he had another big season, way better than
Speaker 1: his last couple of years in New England, and then
Speaker 1: all through the playoffs. UM. But you know that was
Speaker 1: just part of it. They added uh Gronk who was
Speaker 1: an important part of the team, not the same guy
Speaker 1: he used to be, but clearly that was a nice
Speaker 1: pick up resignings that he made jpp Uh tagging Shack
Speaker 1: Barrett Barretts. So keeping those guys in the building, bringing
Speaker 1: back in Dominan sue, that was a big move. UM.
Speaker 1: The draft picks Tristan Worth's like you said, that addition
Speaker 1: absolute stud uh this year, Antoine Winfield Jr. The safety.
Speaker 1: That guy was UM at a high level in their secondary.
Speaker 1: And then who did they let go, Jamis Winston. It's
Speaker 1: now we we laugh at it, but I'll set it
Speaker 1: on this spot and I'll say it again. With two
Speaker 1: games to play, they the Bucks in the twenty nineteen season,
Speaker 1: they had a Saturday afternoon game in week sixteen, and
Speaker 1: the report out there by the insiders is that because
Speaker 1: Jamis Winson had been playing better, that they were probably
Speaker 1: gonna move forward with Jameis Winston and beyond. He bombs
Speaker 1: out the last two weeks and then that was what
Speaker 1: I guess their their brain trust, if that indeed was
Speaker 1: the case, needed they say goodbye to Jamis Winston, karl
Speaker 1: Nessie Peyton, Barbara sam Accho, Darien Stewart, DeMar Dotson. Although
Speaker 1: just say goodbye to those guys and everything hit and worked,
Speaker 1: and it does tell you, and I think from the
Speaker 1: other teams looking at this, sometimes you are just a
Speaker 1: couple of players away. Because the Bucks went from eternal
Speaker 1: also ran over the last several years to super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1: And yes, you could say, oh, they got Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: that's why they're champion. Uh, in some ways that's true.
Speaker 1: But in general, this this front office deserves a ton
Speaker 1: of credit for just hitting on just about everything and
Speaker 1: now having a Lombardi Trophy. I would say that front
Speaker 1: office struggled for a long time beforehand, but you're right,
Speaker 1: but it's it's an argument for patients UM at the
Speaker 1: GM spot potentially, but tom Brady also, I mean, the
Speaker 1: one thing is, and I mentioned this on Sky if
Speaker 1: I can even remember this is what I said, But
Speaker 1: just the idea that you put Tom Brady in isolation
Speaker 1: for fourteen days, no distractions, to get his mind right
Speaker 1: and pull the lever on what would be an incredible
Speaker 1: first half and everyone you know how many people tweeting
Speaker 1: about the fact that Tom Brady had not scored more
Speaker 1: than three touchdown three points in any opening quarter right away,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna take that narrative and shred it
Speaker 1: into a million pieces. Um. He is different than other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: He's like a burning sun. And I think the entire
Speaker 1: team when he came in there, UM said, we're going
Speaker 1: to revolve around him, like there is no question who
Speaker 1: our leader is. It's Bruce Arians. But it's not Bruce
Speaker 1: Arians compared to Tom Brady. I mean, he changed everything
Speaker 1: and it I mean, I'll just I feel lucky that
Speaker 1: we are able to have watched his entire career up
Speaker 1: to this point. But I will say that I have
Speaker 1: literally no memory of that Super Bowl other than the
Speaker 1: first Gronk touchdown. So I need to go rewatch aspects
Speaker 1: of it beyond my notes, you know. But like the
Speaker 1: Winston thing, it feels like a no brainer in retrospect.
Speaker 1: The Brady thing in retrospect seems like a no brainer.
Speaker 1: But it really wasn't only one other team wanted him
Speaker 1: anything million a year. He didn't get any more than
Speaker 1: Philip Manning sweepstakes of two thousand thirteen, where he's going
Speaker 1: on helicopters and is in a half the league and
Speaker 1: everybody's falling over like there was a general belief, and
Speaker 1: I think I shared it and a lot of other
Speaker 1: people did that. Brady probably, even though he would be
Speaker 1: an upgrade over Jameis Winston, would probably be kind of
Speaker 1: like a high level or the top level name brand,
Speaker 1: maybe like a A at this point age forty three,
Speaker 1: better than game manager, maybe like on the right side
Speaker 1: of the Dalton scale, but not necessarily the elite guy.
Speaker 1: And he was he wasn't a gradual decline and then
Speaker 1: it just stopped. And it's a reminder also, you surround
Speaker 1: these older quarterbacks are a great supporting cast. They can
Speaker 1: come out of that gradual decline if they could still
Speaker 1: move and throw the ball, which Brady showed he could.
Speaker 1: He guys like Leonard Fournette too, By the way, one
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is another exactly I mean, but for specifically
Speaker 1: for for Net, I feel like he was in Jags
Speaker 1: purgatory for so long and then just kind of got
Speaker 1: this really bad rap. You know, he got ejected from
Speaker 1: that aim for throwing throwing real punches, um, and then
Speaker 1: you know, he he just I think he got a
Speaker 1: bad rap for just also being you know, just a
Speaker 1: power runner and not a guy who can catch passes,
Speaker 1: maybe a guy who's not like a team guy, maybe
Speaker 1: a guy that has like a little bit of an
Speaker 1: attitude problem. And all of that is like when we
Speaker 1: heard about him coming out and saying he was crying
Speaker 1: on the phone with his parents just about the journey
Speaker 1: that he's been on and how happy he is that
Speaker 1: he landed where he where he is now in Tampa,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was able to go on
Speaker 1: and win a Super Bowl, Like it's just it's such
Speaker 1: a great story of how narratives can turn so quickly.
Speaker 1: That didn't make me think of West that day, because West,
Speaker 1: I thought hilariously and correctly at a previous time when
Speaker 1: for Net wasn't thriving. I think he called him like
Speaker 1: the SS for Net for his inability like a huge
Speaker 1: ship to kind of change direction. But that was that
Speaker 1: was accurate when he uttered different though, you know, playoff
Speaker 1: Lenny is different than the Lenny. You know, it was
Speaker 1: such a bomb and Jack Sombardi Lenny. Now they ran great.
Speaker 1: I mean, like a lot of time Brady super Bowls.
Speaker 1: It's no it's no slight to him. He got a
Speaker 1: great defensive performance. It ran great. He didn't have to
Speaker 1: do much. I heard it like a little chatter almost
Speaker 1: like Brady didn't play like Brady was a little up
Speaker 1: and down in the playoffs, which I think is fair,
Speaker 1: but I think it's sort of has lost that he
Speaker 1: was a top ten quarterback in the season like he was.
Speaker 1: He was much better in the regular season than I
Speaker 1: think people that didn't watch him each you know, every week,
Speaker 1: gave him credit for he was a top ten quarterback then,
Speaker 1: and they were a great team and Shack Barrett, you know, finally,
Speaker 1: just if he needed to stick at the mark one
Speaker 1: more time, he did it. Ten pressure. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: given us that one at this point, But I mean
Speaker 1: also you couldn't script the quarterbacks in the icons that
Speaker 1: Brady mowed down to get to that Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like you could you never could have. And
Speaker 1: I think that they were when it did late in
Speaker 1: the year. They never lost after that, and they talked
Speaker 1: about readjusting and a lot of that is like Bruce Arians.
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette wanted to lead the team and Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: basically said to him, you decide who you are and
Speaker 1: what you want to be and he and I think
Speaker 1: that's the leadership of Bruce Arians too. We uh, we
Speaker 1: bombed our sandwich props. I'm just checking it out now.
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. The Weekend creates controversy that's discussed on CNN.
Speaker 1: It was fine, The show was fine, but it was
Speaker 1: it was tapping anybody know. I know there was the
Speaker 1: theme was they're all men everywhere on the stage and
Speaker 1: the dancers and everything. There were no women. I wonder
Speaker 1: what that was about. Uh, Greg Rosenthal JPP has at
Speaker 1: least two sacks. Uh. Dan gront catches a fourth quarter
Speaker 1: or ot touchdown that gives Bucks the lead or ties
Speaker 1: the score. He did two touchdowns both your hand on
Speaker 1: the pulse. There a little we were in the right
Speaker 1: church around, and you violated your own rule of being
Speaker 1: too specific. I know, I know, I just wanted to hang.
Speaker 1: I wanted to hang no like I hung onions on
Speaker 1: this one because I I just called my homes m
Speaker 1: v P last year, and I felt that was too safe.
Speaker 1: So I was just like trying to balance things out. Uh.
Speaker 1: Kyle Brandt, who's on that show, said Scotty Miller will
Speaker 1: score a four yard touchdown while throwing up deuces to
Speaker 1: mock tyreek Hill and that was also right church around
Speaker 1: few because Antoine Winfield Junior mocked with some deuces at
Speaker 1: the end of that game and got a penalty for it.
Speaker 1: And Ricky had Chad Henny throwing a pass and that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. So a big old zero burger for or
Speaker 1: nothing burger or whatever the people say for the pod.
Speaker 1: All right, those are justifiably tardy super Bowl takeaways. Good
Speaker 1: for the bucks though, good for Brady. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Greg secret leaves dying. He hated it. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? I was murdering them on all year. You
Speaker 1: tell it's just a bit Greg, You're meant to kind
Speaker 1: of you have to share him with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: and they look they they're one of the few teams
Speaker 1: not much salary cap issues, no one that they need
Speaker 1: to cut in particular. I mean, it's tough to repeat,
Speaker 1: but they will be right there next year. There's no
Speaker 1: reason why they You've got to bring Shady McCoy back.
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason why you wouldn't two rings,
Speaker 1: two rings, the ultimate rings guy, two rings in two
Speaker 1: years without taking a single snap in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the first always the first offseason trope
Speaker 1: storyline is, hey, I took a look at this roster.
Speaker 1: They're gonna run it back. I think always a trope.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they feel like almost like the first
Speaker 1: Bucks championship. That's like, okay, this was just a moment
Speaker 1: in time and whatever, and I think it is, but
Speaker 1: it might be like a two year moment in time.
Speaker 1: Would not surprise me to see them back in the
Speaker 1: divisional round or something right back in the mix. That's all.
Speaker 1: I mean, what what what a contract? Like you said,
Speaker 1: two years, fifty million, You're gonna get his age forty
Speaker 1: three and forty four season, and then you get to
Speaker 1: reevaluate where Tom's at uh, and you already got a
Speaker 1: ring out of it. It's a house, it's a house.
Speaker 1: Money here for the bucks. Of course Tom Brady will
Speaker 1: never look at that, and he never has a right
Speaker 1: before we go, we have a lot to do. We
Speaker 1: have a lot of news to catch up. There's so
Speaker 1: much news that's happened, so let's spend through it. Well, Collen,
Speaker 1: let's let's isolate that for the future, Erica, because Connie
Speaker 1: just sounded like she was, you know, laying on the
Speaker 1: couch on an off day. You know, I'll leave it
Speaker 1: at that. It's kind of what happened. There's so much news, man,
Speaker 1: all right, that was Colleens. That was Colleen's like kind
Speaker 1: of like soft request to tap out of the rest
Speaker 1: of the show. I think it was. It was like
Speaker 1: it was her not running back on defense and just
Speaker 1: kind of looking over at the coach. Alright, let's listen
Speaker 1: to this. I want to speak directly to you in
Speaker 1: the city of Houston, UM, so you can hear the
Speaker 1: words straight from my mouth. UM. I have sat down
Speaker 1: with the McNair family and I have asked them for
Speaker 1: my release, and we have mutually agreed to part ways
Speaker 1: at this time. There are the words of J. J. Watts,
Speaker 1: the iconic playmaker that has been the heartbeat of the
Speaker 1: Texans defense for a decade. First round pick in two
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven, now a free agent after what and
Speaker 1: Houston agreed to mutually or they mutually agreed to part ways?
Speaker 1: And um, you know this is an ongoing storyline. So
Speaker 1: this happened late last week. Um. Since then, according to
Speaker 1: ESPN S Edward are approximately a dozen teams have expressed
Speaker 1: interest in the former defensive Player of the Year. That
Speaker 1: group includes the Steelers, Bills, Titans. Cleveland dot Com came
Speaker 1: out and reported that Wat is seriously considering signing with
Speaker 1: the Browns. Mark Sessler and what tweeted just today that
Speaker 1: free agency is what was his word? Crazy? Wild? How
Speaker 1: about that J J. Watt on the market? I mean,
Speaker 1: I would I the Browns side of it. Let's just
Speaker 1: wait and see, because I think he'd be seriously considering
Speaker 1: a number of teams. The Titans would be one way. Um,
Speaker 1: and there you know, they've shown interest to stick it
Speaker 1: to the Texans for a couple of years, um, which
Speaker 1: I would imagine might have something to do with where
Speaker 1: he'd land there a playoff, super Bowl type team too.
Speaker 1: I mean my thing with it's more of a Texans
Speaker 1: story for me, and I don't want to take us
Speaker 1: off course, but I can't imagine being if you're David Culley,
Speaker 1: the new head coach, Um, if you know this is
Speaker 1: what you're adopting, a team minus J. J. Watt, your
Speaker 1: love E Smith, who who is coming back to the
Speaker 1: NFL to take over a Texans defense absent J J. Watt.
Speaker 1: I love the idea of him going somewhere else. I
Speaker 1: get that he's um. The injury history is a concern,
Speaker 1: the age is a concern. You're not getting J. J. Watten,
Speaker 1: but he can be still incredibly disruptive. And I love
Speaker 1: reading some stuff about the idea that it's not just
Speaker 1: on the edge. You can move them all over the line.
Speaker 1: And so a team like Cleveland, a team like Tennessee,
Speaker 1: that would be a huge need um address for both
Speaker 1: of them. Uh. I just think it's an incredible scenery shift,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of I feel energy energy around watching J. J.
Speaker 1: Watt somewhere else. I think you're gonna get an angry
Speaker 1: UM player was something to prove he was good last year.
Speaker 1: I think people kind of sleep on where he's at
Speaker 1: because he was, you know, for three years, the best
Speaker 1: defensive player I had I had ever seen up until
Speaker 1: that point. And he's not that guy anymore. But I
Speaker 1: think he's probably a top ten to fifteen edge type player.
Speaker 1: It's just it's more about disruption in the run game
Speaker 1: and everything else. And he you know that it was
Speaker 1: strange because it's just it's a bad It makes the
Speaker 1: Texans look inept that he wanted out of there. They
Speaker 1: probably we're gonna cut him anyways, just because it felt
Speaker 1: like the time to do so, and he was doing
Speaker 1: so much money and he probably you know, beat them
Speaker 1: to the punch and asked to be let go, and
Speaker 1: so they said, okay, um. But like I think he
Speaker 1: can help a team. He's still he's still pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because J. J. Watt, we all know
Speaker 1: that he loved his attention, so this has to be
Speaker 1: like catnip for him. If he is getting all of
Speaker 1: these offers and you have his you know, different guys
Speaker 1: from around the NFL recruiting him, it's like perfect for him.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's just like basking in all of the
Speaker 1: all of the attention right now, and it's got to
Speaker 1: be so crazy for him to actually, for the first
Speaker 1: time and so long, have somewhat control over his career
Speaker 1: and where he goes and what happens. But I like
Speaker 1: the idea of him going to the Titans, especially obviously
Speaker 1: in the division. But wasn't rabel on that on that
Speaker 1: Texans staff And uh, John Robinson he he worked him out.
Speaker 1: He was on the network talking about how he worked
Speaker 1: out J. J. Watt when he was the scouting director
Speaker 1: for the Patriots um years ago and loved him. So
Speaker 1: you have so many different dots that you can connect,
Speaker 1: whether it's going to play for the Packers because he'll
Speaker 1: be back in Wisconsin, or his brothers are in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: or maybe he wants to play against his his brothers
Speaker 1: in that division with the Browns. So you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's one thing I was thinking about. But also it's like,
Speaker 1: of course J. J. Watt is going to like stir
Speaker 1: things up and be like, oh, it's wild, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's maybe maybe it's a ploy for
Speaker 1: him to get even more attention. Why not like live
Speaker 1: it up now. I loved him making the announcement from
Speaker 1: that log cabin that he was so proud to show
Speaker 1: off on Hard Knocks a few years back. Yeah, the Titans.
Speaker 1: That makes sense to me, especially after John Robinson. We're
Speaker 1: going to get to John Robinson a second. The GM
Speaker 1: with so badly with Vic Beasley and Jadamian Clowney last year. Uh,
Speaker 1: you bring in a ready made playmaker like what maybe
Speaker 1: that addresses their past rush issues, which is one of
Speaker 1: many issues they have on defensive Tennessee. But the Browns
Speaker 1: are the one I like the most. Mark. I think
Speaker 1: like he He's a guy that everybody kind of wants
Speaker 1: to be connected to the Browns right now. They're hot,
Speaker 1: which is hard to believe, but that's just the way
Speaker 1: things are now, and want to be connected to the
Speaker 1: Browns getting over the hump, and especially if Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: doesn't come back after blowing his was Achilles, he would
Speaker 1: just be such a great book nd um wherever they
Speaker 1: line them up. Really, But with that, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be the man there. That's Myles Garrett's job, and
Speaker 1: he could be maybe that missing piece on their defense.
Speaker 1: Especially Uh. We saw in the playoffs that they could
Speaker 1: use some help in the middle there of their line,
Speaker 1: and I think they only have if you look at
Speaker 1: their lineup right now heading into the off season in
Speaker 1: the draft, like five starters on defense, five or six.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there's need all over the place.
Speaker 1: And imagine like what it does to an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: to have to deal with Miles Garrett a healthy Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett um and J. J. Watt on both sides. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's sort of a dream if you're if if you
Speaker 1: could make that happen. But he fits anywhere, Like, tell
Speaker 1: me it's outside of the you know, Green Bays a
Speaker 1: great fig. Green Bay has a lot of money tied
Speaker 1: up in the two free agent edge rushers they brought
Speaker 1: in two seasons ago. But I mean, tell me anyone
Speaker 1: that's gonna say no, I don't think we have room
Speaker 1: for any mental cases. Yeah, any contenders, yes, other than
Speaker 1: any contender that has some money to spare, because everybody
Speaker 1: wants pass rush that they could generate without blitzing. And
Speaker 1: to what he could bring. One other thing on my
Speaker 1: radar here, J J. Watt tweeted out a like happy
Speaker 1: anniversary to his wife with I can't remember if it's
Speaker 1: a photo or a video, but it's of her eating
Speaker 1: wings in her wedding dress, which really just stopped me
Speaker 1: in my tracks. Because you like that. I think that
Speaker 1: she I would follow her anywhere. I mean, anyone who
Speaker 1: is that brazen to eat wings in a wedding dress?
Speaker 1: Like I can't even eat anything for TNF without getting
Speaker 1: it all over me. I've had to wear shirts backwards
Speaker 1: this year on the air because you guys would be
Speaker 1: fast friends. I think that sounds to some shared interests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a professional athlete. You were a figure skater. You
Speaker 1: know the golf courses of Pennsylvania, Well is very rich rich.
Speaker 1: The wedding. The wedding dress is an interesting thing because
Speaker 1: it's the most like it's as you know, going through
Speaker 1: a wedding and being around people in that Like, it's
Speaker 1: such a huge element of the whole thing. Gotta find
Speaker 1: the dress, Gotta love the dress, Gotta watch this reality
Speaker 1: show about the dress, Gotta read about the dress, Gotta
Speaker 1: buy the dress. And then you wear the dress once
Speaker 1: and then what do you do? Like, where's your wedding
Speaker 1: dress right now, Colleen? It's in a box at my
Speaker 1: parents house. And I actually split my wedding dress at
Speaker 1: the wedding. Um, I think I ate too much too quick,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that split it until like I
Speaker 1: took the dress off and there was a giant like
Speaker 1: hole down the side. So you know, I mean, who knows,
Speaker 1: maybe the dress should be in a trash can. I
Speaker 1: just want to go on the record that if he's
Speaker 1: posting a video or photos of her eating wings, he's
Speaker 1: going to Buffalo. Oh that's not a spot. See, I
Speaker 1: thought Ritchie was gonna have a wedding dress take and
Speaker 1: then she comes in with a thunder take that really
Speaker 1: rattles the entire podcast. So that's just that's why she's
Speaker 1: great bread crumbs. Yes, maybe Rickie's right. All right, let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Talks some quarterback heat Russell Wilson. This
Speaker 1: this kind of came out of nowhere. I feel like,
Speaker 1: um he uh spoke to reporters via zoom last week
Speaker 1: and uh said, you know what, I'm frustrated. I'm getting
Speaker 1: hit a lot, and I want to be involved with
Speaker 1: team personnel decisions to make this Seattle Seahawks team better
Speaker 1: and get us over the hump. Here's a quote, like
Speaker 1: any player, you never want to get hit. That's the
Speaker 1: reality of playing this position. Ask any quarterback who wants
Speaker 1: to play this game. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 1: part of the job and everything else. I think that
Speaker 1: the reality is that I've definitely been hit. I've been
Speaker 1: sacked almost four hundred times. So we've got to get better.
Speaker 1: I've got to find ways to get better too. And then, um, Greg,
Speaker 1: what what happens? Immediately after that his team start picking
Speaker 1: up the phone and good job by all those gms.
Speaker 1: You want to kick the tires on the Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer like Russell Wilson thirty two years old and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you're looking to maybe get this guy out of town
Speaker 1: as he uh is this relationship in trouble and it
Speaker 1: sounds like that's not happening. But it's interesting that we're
Speaker 1: even talking about this right now. Oh, it's because it's
Speaker 1: the intent of Russell Wilson to have us talk about it.
Speaker 1: You know, he's like a a more in prime version
Speaker 1: of J. J. Watt. This is what he wants. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the one who is telling the country I am
Speaker 1: interested in playing for another team. Like that's how I
Speaker 1: take it. I don't think it's I don't think that's
Speaker 1: even connecting dots. Like Gara, Folo had the same response.
Speaker 1: He he thought you know, he said it on her area.
Speaker 1: It's like sounded like a guy who has one foot
Speaker 1: out the door and wants to see what happens. And
Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't come out of nowhere because he
Speaker 1: pulled the same stuff either last offseason or the off
Speaker 1: season before. I can't remember when he went on Jimmy
Speaker 1: Fallon and he started talking about this, you know kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. He wants people to be interested, and longtime
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson um observers have noted weirdly, if you want
Speaker 1: to know what Russell Wilson and you know more and
Speaker 1: his agent think, listen to Colin Coward, who's kind of
Speaker 1: been I think of Russell Wilson whisper for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That seems like a weird one to me.
Speaker 1: But he's kind of been ahead of the game, you know,
Speaker 1: he's kind of known what Russell Wilson's camp wants, and
Speaker 1: he's been leading this charge, banging the drums at the
Speaker 1: offensive line, s things he wants to be part of
Speaker 1: the thing, wants to be part of the personnel decisions,
Speaker 1: and he's driving this. I don't think the Seahawks want
Speaker 1: to trade him like Ilive I believe that part. But
Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting to me that he's doing this.
Speaker 1: He has a no trade clause. Um trading him would
Speaker 1: cost this isn't really negotiable, like a forty million dollar
Speaker 1: dead cap hit. Um. He's also said in one of
Speaker 1: those same interviews he wants to be in Seattle forever.
Speaker 1: I think he was genuinely annoyed that they moved on
Speaker 1: from Brian Schottenheimer. Now people feel different things about Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 1: but those two, for various reasons, we're close. It puts
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on them to appease him. But
Speaker 1: I don't know about this, like quarterbacks being involved in
Speaker 1: personnel decisions. I think that there is something to be
Speaker 1: said when you're a Deshaun Watson or your Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: or Patrick Mahomes and you're in that higher upper echelon
Speaker 1: of salary and so much is being you know, you
Speaker 1: put your way and then you've got a Super Bowl window.
Speaker 1: I get the idea of weighing in, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what personnel decision means for me.
Speaker 1: This thing is like I was driving around a little
Speaker 1: bit last week trying to kind of not get involved
Speaker 1: with football. And I heard Colin Coward going off on
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and this whole thing, and I said, I
Speaker 1: could just do without this anti drama. He's going nowhere,
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere, and what what's an issue for
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and a an additional challenge here is yes,
Speaker 1: their offensive line could absolutely use an upgrade, but they
Speaker 1: just last summer traded their next two first round picks
Speaker 1: for safety and Jamal Adams, So that's gonna make it
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher to get the guys that will
Speaker 1: make an impact. You just have to trust your decision
Speaker 1: makers to make the right moves. They've tried and he
Speaker 1: had a part in hiring Shane Waldron supposedly, so we
Speaker 1: we never mentioned that the former Rams coordinator who is
Speaker 1: now going to be calling place for Seattle, and supposedly
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson had some say in that too, So that
Speaker 1: would indicate the anything has never called plays um in
Speaker 1: the NFL, So that that's a bit of a mystery
Speaker 1: higher and we'll see how it works out. An other
Speaker 1: UH star quarterback news. While this man was once a star,
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz after suffering through a miserable season. With the
Speaker 1: Eagles getting benched, he is on the trade block, and
Speaker 1: Albert Brier, our former NFL media colleague, now with s
Speaker 1: I believes that the Bears are the quote front runner
Speaker 1: for whence the other team that has been bandied about
Speaker 1: is a logical landing spot because of head coach ties
Speaker 1: is the Colts, who have reportedly offered up two second
Speaker 1: round picks. So that's where we're at on that one.
Speaker 1: Connie and and I know we've talked about vents and
Speaker 1: you're ready to move on, and the Eagles nation seems
Speaker 1: to be ready to move on. If they did indeed
Speaker 1: move them and not get a first round pick back,
Speaker 1: how would you feel about that? I mean, at this point,
Speaker 1: it just feels like the market for him is not
Speaker 1: great because you know the money involved and the tape
Speaker 1: that he put out there. I mean, who's going to
Speaker 1: jump at that situation? So I wouldn't. I don't really
Speaker 1: expect them to get a lot, but they should get
Speaker 1: a lot, So it's almost like a lose lose situation.
Speaker 1: But I still feel like I don't know what's if
Speaker 1: the Bears, if that is actually going to be the
Speaker 1: landing spot for him. I feel like the Colts are
Speaker 1: still the most logical, you know spot for him, and
Speaker 1: Garifolo was on a little bit ago just saying that
Speaker 1: the Cults are are still sort of it the top
Speaker 1: of the list and nothing is really imminent, but that's
Speaker 1: something will be done relatively soon. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: like nothing is imminent, but relatively soon. Um so maybe
Speaker 1: maybe like in the next two weeks we hear something,
Speaker 1: but we know that the Colts are not budging from
Speaker 1: that offer, and they don't really that's not something that
Speaker 1: they do, like, that's not Chris Ballard's style. They like
Speaker 1: their draft picks, they use them wisely um most times,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to give them away. So I
Speaker 1: don't think that they will. I don't think they'll they'll
Speaker 1: give anything up more for Wentz and my favorite lot
Speaker 1: of other teams doing it either. The line that I
Speaker 1: love the most out of this scenario that I read
Speaker 1: in preparation for the show was that Breer also mentions
Speaker 1: that the Bears coaching staff believes they can fix the
Speaker 1: mechanical issues whence developed in the years since his back
Speaker 1: in a sales surgeries. I am thinking in my mind
Speaker 1: and searching for a team I trust less to fix
Speaker 1: any mechanical issues anywhere, whether it be in Wentz or
Speaker 1: a car broken down, right, I mean he got first
Speaker 1: of all, he gone. I mean, he's so gone. Are
Speaker 1: you if they really offered two seconds take now before
Speaker 1: something happens, are you kidding me? First two seconds sounds
Speaker 1: like a miracle. I don't believe that, because I think
Speaker 1: they would take it in a second. Roman would absolutely
Speaker 1: cash in on those pics and do the right thing
Speaker 1: with them. Like I get it, I get it. He's
Speaker 1: put up some some numbers in the past, but he
Speaker 1: didn't just struggle last year. He was like the worst
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. He was he was it. To
Speaker 1: get two picks seems like incredibly lucky, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: do it, and it's happening, and it just shows how
Speaker 1: dumb everyone was for killing the Eagles for um only
Speaker 1: hiring a coach that needs to fix Carson Wentz because
Speaker 1: no one knew what they were talking about. Then they
Speaker 1: clearly intended to trade him the whole time. They are
Speaker 1: going to trade him. If they get anything for him,
Speaker 1: they should be happy, because yes, it's all this dead
Speaker 1: money on their cap, but it actually doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: hurt their cap this year. It was a massive mistake
Speaker 1: in their admitiate, but get out of that mistake and
Speaker 1: get out of the shot. Gonzo, you know he's in
Speaker 1: the background. I'm just happy Connie was. I'm just happy
Speaker 1: that Gonzo was wearing clothes when he just entered the
Speaker 1: back of that shot. Um, don't to be fine. If
Speaker 1: he were wearing less, we could have seen what we
Speaker 1: haven't seen in his nude form. Yeah that, I mean,
Speaker 1: that would have been interesting high point. And for people
Speaker 1: who are like, wait a second, wait a second, the
Speaker 1: Lions got two first round picks for Matthew Stafford, so
Speaker 1: the Eagles should get at least the first round. Now,
Speaker 1: it's totally different because the Rams had to pay to
Speaker 1: get Jared Goff off their roster, and that's why it
Speaker 1: had led to premium draft picks. So don't don't. It's
Speaker 1: an Apple's the orange just thing, even if if you
Speaker 1: see Stafford and Wentz is somewhat similar, uh in terms
Speaker 1: of play level. Um, all right, okay, keep moving, we
Speaker 1: gotta keep moving here. Alright, alright, alright, Colleen, out of here.
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, you know, I'm under the impression that Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is gonna be there, one and done, even though
Speaker 1: his boy pound see uh and the other pency of
Speaker 1: the Free Hernandez movement um believe that. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: the story was that if markis retired, Ben would retire.
Speaker 1: Now the center's gone, so it's Ben gone. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it seems like Roethlisberger wants to play, but
Speaker 1: that the Steelers want him. Uh. Steelers GM Kevin Colbert
Speaker 1: said on Wednesday that Pittsburgh has to quote look at
Speaker 1: this current situation, referring to the salary cap when asked
Speaker 1: about Roethlisberger being uh starting quarterback. Uh so you know this,
Speaker 1: Marcus continues, The Steelers can put the fire out at
Speaker 1: any time they want on this and say, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: Ben's will find a way to make it work. He's
Speaker 1: a legendary player in our franchise, and you know, or
Speaker 1: some type of answer that just just kind of tamps
Speaker 1: this down. But instead, if they're starting to build things
Speaker 1: up in a way that's reminiscent almost of what the
Speaker 1: Rams did with Jared Goff different circumstances, but makes you
Speaker 1: wonder if really the Steelers are seriously looking whether it's
Speaker 1: a after somebody out there on the market to replace
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger the way coming off a very disappointing end
Speaker 1: to the season. I mean, I think it's the money,
Speaker 1: it's the the age, it's last year's performance. Is the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, they swung and missed on Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 1: But Mason Rudolph was a potential air had he really
Speaker 1: worked out. They've been looking for someone for a while,
Speaker 1: and I believe the quote, you know my ownership was
Speaker 1: something along the lines of Ben Roethlisberger right now is
Speaker 1: still our quarterback, which is probably like how like NFL
Speaker 1: Network would speak about me like he is on our payroll.
Speaker 1: It's not like we're gonna tell you a lot more
Speaker 1: we feel about this person. And if I'm Ben Roethlisberger,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking, um, yikes, that's not the reveal.
Speaker 1: I think it is usually right. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: everyone's just like they're probably like, we have to see
Speaker 1: what other options become available. You know, what else materializes,
Speaker 1: and you can't like flame openly flame Big Ben more
Speaker 1: than they did, um, but came pretty close. That's not
Speaker 1: how you treat someone that's been in your organization for
Speaker 1: a decade and a half. According to his people, I
Speaker 1: would imagine, yeah, I think he wants to come back Roethlisberger.
Speaker 1: So it just seems crazy to me that that they
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't have him back if he wants to
Speaker 1: come back. And I know that they have to figure
Speaker 1: out the cap, and this is maybe just a way
Speaker 1: of being like, hey, you're gonna have to like figure
Speaker 1: out a way to take a team friendly restructuring of
Speaker 1: some sort. But which that that's probably what this is,
Speaker 1: but it just it just seems insane because they were
Speaker 1: so close to to getting so far this year, and
Speaker 1: that's what everyone's expectations were really high for them. So
Speaker 1: it seems like at least with that defense, they still
Speaker 1: have like they still have a good window, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: So it just seems like kind of crazy to shut
Speaker 1: it right now with Big Ben. They did also were
Speaker 1: very close to losing sixth straight, and I think he's gone.
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of thought it already because the
Speaker 1: owner said he's gonna have to take a pay cut,
Speaker 1: and you only you only ask a player to take
Speaker 1: a pay cut if you're ready to cut him, if
Speaker 1: you don't care if he's on your team, ultimately next year.
Speaker 1: So they said that publicly. They said that publicly a
Speaker 1: month ago, and he was like, I'll take any pick
Speaker 1: cut I want, I'll play for free. And still they're
Speaker 1: coming out and saying, well, we're not really sure. I
Speaker 1: think he's gone, and I think the Steelers fans got
Speaker 1: to at least be and I think they'll be happy
Speaker 1: he's gone. Based on the Steelers fans, I am not happy,
Speaker 1: but they're dec think just ready to move on and
Speaker 1: maybe hope he retires because that'll help the cap a
Speaker 1: little more. Um, I think you gotta at least emotionally
Speaker 1: prepare your yourself, Steelers fans for the possibility of Week
Speaker 1: one starting quarterback Mason Rudolph. I mean, if you ever,
Speaker 1: if you ever Haskins, I don't know, man. He played.
Speaker 1: He played pretty well against the Browns. And when you
Speaker 1: hear what the Steelers brass says about Mason Rudolph and
Speaker 1: that they kind of are curious about him going into
Speaker 1: the final year of his rookie contract, I think they
Speaker 1: have always had a higher belief in him, obviously than
Speaker 1: anyone else. And he played well in that one game. Um,
Speaker 1: it was probably the best game by a Steelers quarterback
Speaker 1: all year. Maybe he actually did play pretty on the
Speaker 1: game to give him some credit. Um, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a good move. I'm just saying, be ready
Speaker 1: stealing that was the That's that's an absurd comment to
Speaker 1: say that was the best Steelers quarterback game all year. Yes,
Speaker 1: there weren't many. There weren't many good Big Ben games. Um.
Speaker 1: I I see it as posturing. Ultimately, I disagree where
Speaker 1: you're coming from makes sense, but I think it does
Speaker 1: remind me um as a Yankee fan. Is the at
Speaker 1: the end of Derek Jeter's career, the Yankees did something
Speaker 1: similarly where they basically hardlined him and they said, you're
Speaker 1: not the same guy anymore. We'd like to have you back,
Speaker 1: but we're taking control of this and we're not going
Speaker 1: to give you some hometown discount to stay around. And
Speaker 1: eventually Jeter bit down and took the contract and was
Speaker 1: bitter about it. Bens has a different Ben has a
Speaker 1: different public stance here. He's basically putting himself out there
Speaker 1: and saying I'll play for whatever you pay me. Please
Speaker 1: don't don't end my career this way. Um. I think
Speaker 1: he'll end up coming back at a at a discount
Speaker 1: for the Steelers. Wouldn't it be great if the Browns
Speaker 1: ended the big the Ben Roethlisberger era. I think they
Speaker 1: already did it. Mark we got I think you're right,
Speaker 1: because you look at those he was shedding tears on
Speaker 1: the sideline and it wasn't just about that game. I
Speaker 1: will give you a sandwich. Bet anyone can take me
Speaker 1: up right now. Week one, Big Ben starting quarterback Houston, Texans.
Speaker 1: I see it, and I see it already because I'll
Speaker 1: take that, all right, because I could see him cozy
Speaker 1: Jack easterby Big Ben and Jack easterby two peas in
Speaker 1: a pod for about six weeks until he's replaced by
Speaker 1: a rookie. UM. All right, we'll see how it all
Speaker 1: plays out. I already got a sandwich in my back pocket,
Speaker 1: feeling good about it. Let's move on. More quarterback drama.
Speaker 1: ESPN excuse NFL Networks Ian Rapaport reports that there is
Speaker 1: quote legitimate and real trade interests involving Marcus Mariotta, the
Speaker 1: Raiders backup who had a tremendous game uh late in
Speaker 1: the season, replacing Derek gard I think it was the
Speaker 1: Dolphins game actually that was blown hideously. I believe it
Speaker 1: was that leak Chargers that it was a prime time
Speaker 1: meltdown for the for the Raiders. But he played incredibly
Speaker 1: well in that game, and The Athletic reported that the
Speaker 1: Raiders prefer to trade Mariotta instead of Derek carr Uh,
Speaker 1: their incumbent starting quarterback. We just have to see how
Speaker 1: it plays out. Mariotta was awesome, um in that one game.
Speaker 1: If they're able to leverage that into some value in
Speaker 1: a trade, that would be a big win for the Raiders.
Speaker 1: I believe I remember that game because it was I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was. It was definitely like a
Speaker 1: Thursday night package game, but it wasn't on a Thursday,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was, it doesn't matter. It was definitely
Speaker 1: against the Chargers in overtime and Derek Carr he got hurt.
Speaker 1: What was that like on the Raiders first drive? I
Speaker 1: think so there was a couple people that were kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, Mariota, Mariota. Mariota didn't didn't start any
Speaker 1: games this year, but that was kind of like a
Speaker 1: start because he basically played that entire game, and when
Speaker 1: he came into that game, he led like an eighties
Speaker 1: six yard touchdown drive and it was he led four
Speaker 1: different scoring drives in that game. And I remember we
Speaker 1: were we were texting during that game because we were like,
Speaker 1: is Mariota still good? Like look at look at the
Speaker 1: way that he's able to use his legs still and
Speaker 1: all of the things that we liked and and that
Speaker 1: we're good about him when he was in Tennessee. He
Speaker 1: just he still has it. And I feel like that
Speaker 1: game really helped showcase his abilities that he still has.
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, maybe a spot like
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe he ends up in New England? How
Speaker 1: would that be? I could see it. I this this
Speaker 1: whole thing raised I raised my eyebrows though, because the car,
Speaker 1: because the car inclusion in it is basically the part
Speaker 1: that raised my eyebrows, Like okay, so you are willing
Speaker 1: to trade car? And then I thought there was this
Speaker 1: really strange article that came out like two weeks or
Speaker 1: a week before the Super Bowl in the Las Vegas
Speaker 1: Review Journal that kind of played around with where the
Speaker 1: sources were coming from, but basically was saying there was
Speaker 1: a lot of interest in Derek Carr just out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like, who's who's putting this out there
Speaker 1: because it doesn't really make sense for Derek car to
Speaker 1: be putting this out there, so it's in the Las
Speaker 1: Vegas Review Journal. It kind of makes sense that, even
Speaker 1: though they kind of hid the source in away that
Speaker 1: it was like league insiders really think that David Carr
Speaker 1: is gonna Derek car is gonna have a market, but
Speaker 1: it would take two first round picks to get them.
Speaker 1: It's like it felt like a clumsy attempt for the
Speaker 1: Raiders to drum up some interest in Derek CARRS would
Speaker 1: have felt like, on the outside, to me value top
Speaker 1: values two second rounders. I feel like that would right,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna, it's not gonna to first for Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: I do feel like the Raiders. I mean, you're into
Speaker 1: year four with Gruden. Um maybe he has his quarterback.
Speaker 1: I've always felt like they those two are a little
Speaker 1: bit um oil and vinegar. Although those things do go together,
Speaker 1: I guess um, but I would just say that Derek
Speaker 1: Carr is this one quarterback, oil and vinegar. Don't mess
Speaker 1: though it's a brown spot in the middle, Like that's
Speaker 1: the vinegar part, right, Oh my god, that's the only
Speaker 1: way to have a I mean that's like an actual dressing.
Speaker 1: So it does go together, I know, but it's set well,
Speaker 1: it visually separates, is all I'm saying. But that's not
Speaker 1: really helping me with my point either. But I think
Speaker 1: the car just feels like a quarterback that you have
Speaker 1: to constantly kind of um prop of his feelings and manage.
Speaker 1: He gets so stung by stuff that it's like it
Speaker 1: feels like a bit laborious. I I wouldn't hate a
Speaker 1: fresh start somewhere. Do something. Raiders. We're always talking about you, like,
Speaker 1: oh watch out, they could do something crazy, but you
Speaker 1: never do it. Give us something here, Raiders, do something crazy.
Speaker 1: You be a team that gives up way too much
Speaker 1: for Carson Wentz happen. I mean they and in their defense,
Speaker 1: they were in on Tom Brady last offseason and Tom
Speaker 1: Brady was like, I'm not going out West, so they
Speaker 1: you know, and Derek Carr did go in the media
Speaker 1: and say that that was something that gave him um
Speaker 1: some additional fire and blah blah blah. You know, the
Speaker 1: Raiders are interesting in the sense that they have growed
Speaker 1: in on that ten year deal and it was a
Speaker 1: deep rebuild when he took over the team, and it
Speaker 1: seemed to be going in the right direction. But the
Speaker 1: that December knows that ive. This year in particular, I thought,
Speaker 1: was um speaking of eyebrow raising. To me, it's like
Speaker 1: they're entering into tricky terrain now because the third year,
Speaker 1: that was where they were supposed to kind of get
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and and really show growth. Instead they
Speaker 1: ended up exactly where they were at the end of
Speaker 1: the year two of the regime. So now we enter
Speaker 1: year four, and if you don't get results in year four,
Speaker 1: it's like, geez, were almost halfway through this insane contract
Speaker 1: with this guy, and are we going anywhere with this dude?
Speaker 1: So this is a huge year for the Raiders. Uh
Speaker 1: for that reason. Alright, just a quick note, we're only
Speaker 1: about sixteen quarterbacks away from covering every quarterback situation in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They did, You're right, we have a we
Speaker 1: have a Taylor Heineke. But first I want to hit
Speaker 1: on a juicy little nugget from it is coming up
Speaker 1: on draft season now, and we we obsess over draft
Speaker 1: picks and who's the first round pick and this, and
Speaker 1: then the fan base goes nuts and used them as
Speaker 1: this guy savior for whatever position he plays well. The
Speaker 1: Titans used their first round pick on Isaiah Wilson, an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle that they thought they could view as a
Speaker 1: lynchpin on their line man. John Robinson had a pretty
Speaker 1: rough off season UH and Wilson barely played last year,
Speaker 1: went on the COVID list twice, got a d U
Speaker 1: I UM, and coming off that, you now have John
Speaker 1: Robinson going out in the media UM today and saying this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, um, you know again, we we put him
Speaker 1: on the on the reserve UH non football illness list there.
Speaker 1: I haven't spoken to him since since that list got
Speaker 1: put out, you know, I think, um so, I think
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna have to make a determination UM
Speaker 1: if he wants to do everything necessary to probably pro
Speaker 1: football UM. And and that's gonna be you know, on him.
Speaker 1: UM so, UM, I know what the expectation level is here.
Speaker 1: It's no different than any other player on the football team.
Speaker 1: You know, we have a certain standard that we want
Speaker 1: players UH to prepare and and UM perform at professionally. UM.
Speaker 1: And his people and UM a lot of work to
Speaker 1: be done there. That's really bad because he was placed
Speaker 1: Wilson was placed on the reserve non football illness list
Speaker 1: on December night, So the the team to not even
Speaker 1: be in contact with him for this amount of time,
Speaker 1: a reigning first round pick. This is heading towards all
Speaker 1: time bus territory. And you didn't even There wasn't really
Speaker 1: clarity and why he was placed on that list either.
Speaker 1: It sounded like he was just placed on it because
Speaker 1: they were done with him. They never said he had
Speaker 1: an illness. Yeah, I mean, I love bot. I found that.
Speaker 1: We're sorry Mark that were like that jumped out at me.
Speaker 1: Um Robinson said that we did a lot of work
Speaker 1: on him leading up to the draft. The player that
Speaker 1: was here in the fall was not the player we evaluated.
Speaker 1: He's going to have to make a determination if he
Speaker 1: wants to play pro football. That's on him. And then
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel told the Tennessee and I can't comment on
Speaker 1: idaiah Um. He said that I wouldn't even begin to
Speaker 1: be able to eloquently have an answer for you. So
Speaker 1: clearly things are not going well. They're pissed. There's they're
Speaker 1: epically pissed because I think if you read between the
Speaker 1: lines and it's not hard, he's making them look really bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, if they failed in the evaluation, and now
Speaker 1: this guy is essentially stealing money from the team, and
Speaker 1: that reflects directly on the people that were responsible for
Speaker 1: bringing him into the building the first time he got Corona,
Speaker 1: I mean, is attached to the fact the police had
Speaker 1: to break up an off campus party at Tennessee State
Speaker 1: University where he was frolicking around, um, you know, untethered
Speaker 1: during training and Isaiah at night right, And like John
Speaker 1: Robinson mentioned, you know, they loved him. They did love
Speaker 1: him in the pre draft process. And that's an old
Speaker 1: HR thing. Um, when an employee goes south, where is
Speaker 1: the person I interviewed? And that's what they're saying. This
Speaker 1: is not the human being we thought we'd get. John
Speaker 1: Robinson said he was impressed with um even his laugh
Speaker 1: that he laughed like Andre the giants during the all
Speaker 1: the research part of this. But I think that what
Speaker 1: is that? Why? Why would that make him more draftable?
Speaker 1: That was I mean, he laughs like a gigantic giant laugh.
Speaker 1: If you don't know, like jose West Rivera, if we're
Speaker 1: not at this point, I mean I feel anymore. I
Speaker 1: feel like I you know, I used to be in
Speaker 1: a hiring position. I made some some bad hires, even
Speaker 1: as you know, as a group we've made some we
Speaker 1: made a what are you saying what we don't need it, Greg,
Speaker 1: We don't need it right now for the float right now? Greg? Uh.
Speaker 1: Finally the news. Yes, Taylor Heineke speaking of having one
Speaker 1: game and a change the quarterbacks, changing how go away, Ricky,
Speaker 1: changing how things um and how your portrayed. Heineke went
Speaker 1: from a practice squad quarterback in December to a guy
Speaker 1: that was slinging it throw for throw with Tom Brady
Speaker 1: and the wild card round of the playoffs for the
Speaker 1: Washington football team. The team lost that game, of course,
Speaker 1: but it led to Heineke signing a two year, eight
Speaker 1: point seven five million dollar contract. Just five r K
Speaker 1: is guaranteed, So it doesn't mean that Washington paid out
Speaker 1: the butt uh for this guy off one game. But
Speaker 1: it does show you, but spilled with one to there,
Speaker 1: that sometimes one big game can change your life and
Speaker 1: it might have done that for Taylor Heinecky. Yeah, they might.
Speaker 1: They might have to cut Alex Smith, which is awkward
Speaker 1: because I think if Alex Smith wants to continuous career,
Speaker 1: you know, might not be there. But it is amazing
Speaker 1: if you think about the Bowls of Son stand to
Speaker 1: circle it all the way back around. Bowls faced four
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the playoffs, Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: and Taylor Heineke. Unquestionably the best performance came from Heineke.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even it wasn't even close. He was really
Speaker 1: good in that game. That the diving touchdown that he
Speaker 1: had briefly made you think Washington col do something insane
Speaker 1: in that game. Um, and he played. He was nails
Speaker 1: in that game. I mean that's the kind of game. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I keep cutting you all, damn it. I was reading
Speaker 1: this like crazy article and now I'm taking us down
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole. But you're going to come into the
Speaker 1: rabbit hole with me. That I went done this morning, um,
Speaker 1: reading about Heineke, of dreading about this game that he
Speaker 1: had at Old Dominion where he threw for seven hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty yards. Did you guys know this? Because I
Speaker 1: did not know? And I end up doing all these
Speaker 1: like dumb deep dives on prospects around combine time and
Speaker 1: draft and this I did not know. He in that
Speaker 1: game he had like seventy nine attempts, which is just wild.
Speaker 1: Seven thirty yards. How about we see that. This is
Speaker 1: why why some people, oh, why don't you watch college football?
Speaker 1: That's why I don't watch college football. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you're you're playing, it's like, oh yeah, Penn State is
Speaker 1: playing in our Lady of the Worthless Miracle. Um, you
Speaker 1: know on Saturday afternoon. It's like what, like, who cares?
Speaker 1: You play half your schedules against teams that are at
Speaker 1: your level? And then everything's just like big money grab
Speaker 1: playing these smaller schools and it's just like a total slaughter.
Speaker 1: I don't know why think Old Dominion is taking you
Speaker 1: off their mailing list as of as of today, Dan,
Speaker 1: and some people ask like, why are Colleen's binders so full?
Speaker 1: It's because of information like that, you know exactly? All right?
Speaker 1: Um kay want short a J. Bouwier and uh Boyer
Speaker 1: and Tybrolle Williams among the early cuts for veterans as
Speaker 1: we head towards the start of a new league, yeard
Speaker 1: and a salary cap that uh it will be less.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's official yet. I think around
Speaker 1: a hundred eighty million, that's what they were saying. Um,
Speaker 1: and there will be more veterans that end up on
Speaker 1: the chopping block here as teams try to get under
Speaker 1: the cap and reset for all right, no wes, there's
Speaker 1: a new phase for the show. Really sad um, But
Speaker 1: we're just going on and talking, talking ball and doing
Speaker 1: what we do. But please, please please, the go fund
Speaker 1: me um with everything, every every cent collected by the
Speaker 1: go fund me goes to Lakisha and Lincoln and unbelievably
Speaker 1: and thank you by the way to Greeby, who's one
Speaker 1: of our Matthew Graver who who um organized this and
Speaker 1: was in direct contact with Lakisha when West was battling
Speaker 1: cancer for the second time, uh, setting this up. And
Speaker 1: he also has done great great work on the subreddit
Speaker 1: bringing fans together over there. He organized this and it
Speaker 1: is closing in on two sixty thousand dollars raised by
Speaker 1: people who love the West and are trying to support
Speaker 1: his family in this um really difficult time. Over UM
Speaker 1: five and a half thousand donors and uh yeah, over
Speaker 1: a quarter million dollars raised for Lakisha and Link and
Speaker 1: that is awesome. Keep it up. Let's go five under it,
Speaker 1: Let's go half a mill Why not? I was thinking
Speaker 1: we should have like a roast maybe. I was originally
Speaker 1: thinking to just be a roast of Dan Hansas Um
Speaker 1: that goes to this like West fund Um, but then
Speaker 1: I thought maybe we should open it up to everybody
Speaker 1: else and then maybe the listeners get involved. So I'm
Speaker 1: just fitballing right now live and just figured to throw
Speaker 1: it out there. I like that a lot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would participate. I I feel like you guys would,
Speaker 1: and um, I don't know. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: really like I would be good at that. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would handle that well. I think, Colleen,
Speaker 1: you have a way better temperament for being roasted, so
Speaker 1: I think maybe the roast should be towards you. You
Speaker 1: get that like look from Dan, like twenty minutes in
Speaker 1: where he's like not as pleasant to be there as
Speaker 1: he thought, and not enjoying some of the slights, not
Speaker 1: sure if they're real or not. So this was exactly
Speaker 1: my thinking because originally I was like, it should definitely
Speaker 1: be a roast of Dan, and then I was like, mm,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Dan would be good with that,
Speaker 1: but Greg definitely would be able to handle it, so
Speaker 1: let's definitely open it up to Greg. And I was like,
Speaker 1: but then there's so much material with Mark too and Rick,
Speaker 1: so it should just be everybody get real, to get
Speaker 1: very real. Um all right. So that's that's one idea
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, we're gonna continue to like figure
Speaker 1: out and exactly not in a milliona years um uh
Speaker 1: to you know, of course remember Wes and uh we will.
Speaker 1: We haven't started putting it together yet, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: something we are um going to do. We're going to
Speaker 1: have a kind of a separate show from the standard
Speaker 1: podcast week where we'll be remembering West in our favorite
Speaker 1: moments um with West uh during the you know thousand
Speaker 1: plus episodes over the years, and we'll do you know
Speaker 1: kind of talks talk about um talk about him and
Speaker 1: then play some clips that that's coming down the line.
Speaker 1: And I think that could end up being something we
Speaker 1: do on an annual basis, because, like Greg said, West
Speaker 1: is gone here um uh in from this earth, but
Speaker 1: he's his spirit is with the show and with everyone
Speaker 1: that loved and cared about him, both personally and family
Speaker 1: and friends and also the listeners. So that's it. Um.
Speaker 1: Any final thoughts, Colleen, great work here. You've done it
Speaker 1: again and you've said it all thank you. I guess
Speaker 1: there's nothing left for me to say then if I've
Speaker 1: said it all, and I did, like every time every
Speaker 1: time you accidentally stepped on Mark, I think was really
Speaker 1: a professional of the time. Sorry. Mark, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: better at this. It's this is the way it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say, at least we're offering a
Speaker 1: little bit less of a devastating time delay than you
Speaker 1: had to deal with on most of your TNF broadcast
Speaker 1: show I did besides this one, when the few times
Speaker 1: that I was on the podcast during the season were
Speaker 1: the only times that I was doing a show that
Speaker 1: did not have at least a three to five second delay.
Speaker 1: So it is really such a joy to talk to
Speaker 1: people without like laughing all over dump jokes that happened
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes ago. And I do that anyway. But still,
Speaker 1: this was this is really really nice. So it's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you really lost a lot of like the Michael Irvin
Speaker 1: has like a piece of cracker on the corner of
Speaker 1: his mouth humor with that delay. You know, he just
Speaker 1: I need this pandemic to end. It took an hour
Speaker 1: and sixteen minutes, but it finally got the time delay
Speaker 1: talk that the listeners really they were looking for. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back on Friday, so please come
Speaker 1: on back. And yes, as I said, the go fund
Speaker 1: me is out there. Um, it's pinned to top my
Speaker 1: Twitter page and I'm sure all the everyone else on
Speaker 1: the show has been plugging that so you can find
Speaker 1: it anywhere. Um uh and uh we love you when
Speaker 1: we miss you, wes. Um, all right, this is it.
Speaker 1: Dan has a signing off four Quiet Storm, the Old Boss,
Speaker 1: the Tiny Box, trapped in a tiny box within a
Speaker 1: tiny box, so many boxes, and Ricky Hollywood until Friday,
Speaker 1: and has others