1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Let's give it up for 4 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the man, the myth, the legend behind our audio. One 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: end two's Mr Max Williams. They called me Ben. Uh No, 6 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: this is a special occasion for us. We're in person again. 7 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: We were trying to do that more often, meeting each 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: other's gaze headlong. Oh weird, it's goind of creepy, and 9 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: he's having like this barrier of screen between us. How 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: you feel the attention to sexual Well, you know, I'm 11 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: I'm just going to explore its, explore it together, not alone. 12 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: You can hear the other titters and their laughs laughs, 13 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: unfamiliar laughs in the room. Yeah, yeah, that's true. This 14 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: is an extra special episode for us because you know, 15 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: we communicate a lot with each other. When we think 16 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: about communication, and we started wondering how people used to 17 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: communicate in the days of your before the internet and 18 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: you the days of oh why o R. Yeah. Uh. 19 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Then we started saying, well, we shouldn't dive into this 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: with just you and Max and myself ridiculous Yeah. Well, 21 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: still it's fun when we say that the name in 22 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: the show. We decided we had to go to the experts, 23 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: our dear friends, the masterminds, the creators of the newest 24 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: member of the ridiculous franchise, Bill Whorley, Mark Kendall, the 25 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: creators of ridiculous news, amazing grazy topics. But the gonna 26 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: choose you and now do the answer. Pridiculous news. We 27 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: get us. The vials are working the rules of broadcast 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: and and all sorts. A while reports that he was 29 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: lapping were fun off brand, up beat journalism, the strange 30 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: and the usual stories, and well we did them. When 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: it's all about ridiculous news. Everywhere we tell about ridiculous 32 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: news over here. Guys, thank you so much for coming 33 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: to Oh my gosh, so excited to be here. Thanks 34 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: so many superlatives. Well, uh, Bill and Mark, you are 35 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: long time Uh you are long time communicators yourselves. You 36 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: are performers, you are writers, you are filmmakers. People have 37 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: seen a lot of your work, especially here in our 38 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: home state of Georgia. Noel and I were passing around, 39 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: uh some of the videos he did, the Marta one 40 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: is a huge hit here and we wanted to ask 41 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: you guys about weird ways people communicate, Um, not just 42 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, not just saying like a strange slang or 43 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: anything like that word word words words, because you know, 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: it turns out there was a time before podcasts when 45 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: people had to communic to define clever ways to communicate 46 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: with each other. What what they what do they do? 47 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're gonna answer that question today sort 48 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: of a round robin style. Yeah, Mark and Bill are 49 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna are we gonna answer the question? We have 50 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: some we have? Have we got some? We got some 51 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: backpockets stuff? Okay, okay, side pocket, corner pocket, a little 52 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: little jeans pocket? Is it for keys? For drugs? Classic 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: and used in it completely wrong? Classic levies? Yeah, so 54 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: what when you could you all maybe first before we 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: dive in, if you all tell us a little bit 56 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: about Ridiculous News because it's it's probably better for the 57 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: creators to talk about it than for Nolan and I 58 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: had to talk about it. So we do plug it. Great. Yeah, 59 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: so Ridiculous News New Podcasts with Bill and myself. Uh, 60 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: we do two episodes a week Monday Thursday. Monday's is 61 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: what we call our deep dive episode. Yeah. So we 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: we take a topic that we are really interested in, 63 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: we give it a little bit more time. So we 64 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: might be talking about like afro futurism, we might be 65 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: talking about potholes, we might be talking about Batman. Uh, 66 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: just whatever is going on in the world that we 67 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: feel is relevant, we feel is important. We give that 68 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: a little extra love on those Monday episodes. Then every 69 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: Thursday when you tune in, we do a weekly round up, 70 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: so that, uh, you know, is where we take news 71 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: stories that have caught our eye we feel are interesting. 72 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, we kind of give you the rundown of 73 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: things that we're interesting that popped up and aren't we 74 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: but also stuff that's sort of like, well you might 75 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: consider below the fold, and maybe it isn't necessarily gonna 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: pop up on everyone's news feed or you know, Fox 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: news feed or whatever. It might be exactly right. I mean, 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: just this week, you know what I'm saying, they were 79 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: talking about a frog that is native to the south 80 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: some part of the continent, and you know, it's venoms 81 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: have some properties that make it helpful when people are 82 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: trying to you know, recover from PC or other things 83 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: like that. Right, great service, however that you know, the 84 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: the demand for that frog has gotten so high. You know, 85 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: people are like, what are we gonna do? Yeah, that 86 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: poor front. You tickle it under the chin, it spits 87 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: out some psychedelic material into your mouth, right into your mouth. 88 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: You're doing it correctly, and unfortunately it's it's gotten real popular. 89 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: So we're we're worried about the toads. So if you've 90 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: seen them, ship them in, seat them right, and you know, 91 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 1: tickling under the chin. Some people like it, the toads 92 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: don't the toads. So this is this is something that's 93 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: really special to us when you are creating the show. 94 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: One thing that I love is that we are seeing 95 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: a more in depth examination of news and media because 96 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: you know, so much stuff is happening in the age 97 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: of ubiquitous information that we sometimes forget. It's it's not 98 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: the best way to explain things. It's telling somebody some 99 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: a story that is intergenerational and complex and doing it 100 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: in four minutes before you know, you move on to 101 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: the next celebrity thing. It's tough. It's tough to really 102 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: get a through understanding. So that's why I'm a big 103 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: fan of the Deep Dives, and I'm a big fan 104 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: of the stories that you all find. I did learn 105 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: the secret to fixing potholes from you guys. Brought it 106 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: up a casual conversation, uh, and then I did credit this, 107 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: and then um, I lost a little credibility when they said, Ben, 108 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: aren't you associated with that show? Why are you talking 109 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: about it? I think it's important news to spread out there. 110 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: I think that was a It's a very creative way 111 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: to get potholes fixed. Could you maybe communicate this to 112 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: the city administrators of Atlanta. You know you're not doing 113 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: a particularly good job. Potholes are a menace. You know 114 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: you're not alone, and those feelings and those thoughts. Uh. 115 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: You know, if you if there's a pothole that you 116 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: really want fixed in Atlanta, one thing you might want 117 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: to try after calling, you know, your official elected officials. 118 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: You might also want to try turning your pothole into 119 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: a hot tub, giving it a mural, perhaps painting a 120 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: phallic image around it. Something that gets attention. It needs 121 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: some attention if it's been there for a year, try 122 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: throwing at a birthday party. If I step into it 123 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: and break every bone in my body, it might give 124 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: it some attention. I think that you would just be hurt. Okay, yeah, yeah, 125 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: so only penis pictures, no bodily injury. Well, honestly, we 126 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: found several several stories of people drawing penises in or 127 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: around the potholes in an effort to bring attention to 128 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: the potholes. Sometimes we're part of the of the penis 129 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: is the pothole, you know, I think it kind of 130 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: depends on the shape, and I think you can I 131 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: would assume that the testicles make a good round for 132 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: your typical boss, just the one. Though it's like, um, 133 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: you know what the creatives this isn't you know? I'm 134 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: but a meager podcaster and communicator. That's a different kind 135 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: of communication too, though, right, It's like how do you 136 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: get someone's attention? Like how That's what communicating is, is 137 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: getting people's attention with relevant information that they need to keep, 138 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: maybe from falling into holes in the ground. Maybe the 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: fallic image also would catch someone's eye to the point 140 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: where they would would not step directly into the pothole. Um. 141 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: But I think this is a good jumping off point 142 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: for today's topic. You know, the history of communication, Ben Chairman, Oh, 143 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: I leave I leave it to you who should go First, 144 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: we're just sitting at a rectangular table. Have you been 145 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: the chairman this whole time and told me it's just 146 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: because I I have a chair? Should we should we 147 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: congratulate you on being chairman. I didn't know this was 148 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: the thing. But well, no congratulation on Iron Chef as 149 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: an actor? Did you do that? The chairman on Iron 150 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Chef as an actor? He was in the Double Dragon movie. 151 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: He was Billy. I know I am chairman for today 152 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: because Max Nolan, I, uh, this is the one blazer 153 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: we own. We traded all. You're dressed like a chairman, 154 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: and and you always are dressed like a chairman band 155 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: you always have some Yeah, that blazer looks so much 156 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: better on me, just like so much better. It does 157 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: look better on Max. That's Max with the facts and 158 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: the just for you right now. That's that's a sound 159 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: also for everyone listening. This is totally my recording from 160 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: this actual session. This is not me you know, punching 161 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: this in like the weekend after, you know, so that 162 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: I could still be president. In the recording, I didn't 163 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: have to record on a microphone that didn't actually get 164 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: picked up on it. None of this stuff is put 165 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: in you know and post or anything like that. Just 166 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: just want to point that out right now. Yeah, but 167 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: but we have, but we have set the us up. 168 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: We talked about this little affair. We each came up 169 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: with a way that people throughout history communicated with each 170 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: other before the dawn of the internet, before the dawn 171 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: of you know, international phone lines. And one of the 172 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: big questions people were trying to answer is how to 173 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: communicate over distance. And I think when we talked about, 174 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: one thing that you were really excited about, Bill was pigeons. Yes, 175 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: carry your pigeons. These these amazing birds that you know, 176 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: we take for granted, at considered grimy, considered dirty. Sky rats. 177 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: Have heard sky rats absolutely, uh, And they're actually incredibly intelligent, 178 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: incredibly useful birds. And they've been used for centuries since 179 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: three thousand BC to deliver messages. And as I was 180 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: reading about them, one I felt very disrespectful towards pigeons, 181 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: or just my attitude towards them. I've never chased a 182 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: pigeon beyond when I was maybe five or six years old, 183 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: but I do love that. Uh. They had such an 184 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: amazing purpose and throughout history they were used. One of 185 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: the cool uses is during the Olympics back in Roman times. 186 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: That's how they announced the winners. They would send the 187 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: pigeons back to the specific town where the winner was from. 188 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: And one of the other crazy interesting things about them 189 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: is that, uh, pigeons, they will return home. They can. 190 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: They will go hundreds of miles. You can take them 191 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and let them loose and they'll go home. And no 192 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: one knows why someone tells you this is how pigeons 193 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: are doing it. Don't believe them. They're full of crap. Six. 194 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: It's something that can't really be measured. It's it's amazing, 195 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: And so people have theories. They're like, hey, are they 196 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: using the magnetic fields of the Earth, are they using 197 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: the sun? Right? Are they using their vision? Um? Just 198 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: landmark and scientists have kind of ruled out all of 199 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: these things. That's it's somewhat maybe it's a collection, depending 200 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: on where they are. They've even put frosted contacts on 201 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 1: pigeons to see, Okay, is it the eyesight that's getting 202 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: them there? And it's it's that's the only thing that 203 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: used the eyesight for is the landing. Yeah, it's just 204 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: been amazing to kind of read about them and learn 205 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: more about them, and I hope that maybe after this 206 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: podcast we can use them more often. Yeah do okay, 207 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: So first question, we're talking about communication. I've always seen 208 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: I've never seen this in real life. I've only seen 209 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: it works of fiction. Uh. Is the message like tied 210 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: to the bird is? Yeah, it is, it's tied to 211 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: their leg. Um. That's the word, right, it's right there there, 212 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: little leg and and you know these messages from who 213 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: was winning the Olympics to personal messages you know, three 214 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. Um. The most famous pigeon that I 215 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: found was there actually used a lot in World War 216 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: One and World War Two. But in World War One, uh, 217 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, they had they had other forms of communication 218 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: at these telegraph lines, but there was be cut a 219 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: lot or they would be blown up by different you know, artillery. 220 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: So pigeons were very reliable way to get messages across. 221 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: And of course, once the Germans found out about this, 222 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: they would fire at pigeons. They actually had German hawks 223 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: that would attack the pigeons. Um, which is is just 224 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: so diabolical. I don't you know, sorry Germany, Um, that's 225 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: just thematically kind of on the nose. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 226 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: the most famous pigeon was Jeremy, which is a French 227 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: word for dear friend. And this epic pigeon during one 228 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: battle in World War One. Um, these American soldiers wore 229 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: pinned down on all sides by the Germans and they're 230 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: getting bombed by the Americans, and they had three pigeons 231 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: that they were trying to send out a message, Hey, 232 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: please stop killing us. Where this is where we are, 233 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 1: we need help. First pigeon goes out, the Germans have 234 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: a field day with it. It's down. Second pigeon goes out, 235 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: almost gets right above the top, the gassed it. Um. 236 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: Finally Cheremy they let cheer me out, goes up, get shot, 237 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: falls down to the ground. Well, it turns out Cheremy 238 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: was not done. Jeremy, after losing its leg, losing its eye, 239 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: and getting a bullet through the chest, went back up, 240 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: flew and delivered this message and saved a hundred and 241 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: ninety four people's lives. Um, which you know, the first 242 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: time I read that story, I don't know why. I 243 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: got a little choked up. Dude, I'm getting it right now. 244 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: A little little little guy. Yeah, what an amazing what 245 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: a troup. But didn't the give him a medal. They did, 246 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: they did he Uh, he received a gold medal um 247 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: and was awarded the French Cruel dig good with palm. 248 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: That sounds delicious, Yeah yeah, and maybe some chocolate with 249 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: that palm. Uh. And he actually guys, if you want 250 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: to see him or anyone listening, he's in the Smithsonian Institute. 251 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: He is the bird himself. He was stuffed and uh, 252 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: you can go see him without his leg and with 253 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: his missing eye. And I believe they even went so 254 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: far as to give him a little pig leg. Oh 255 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: for the Smithsonian. I mean, well it was still alive. 256 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you care that. I'm that. This is 257 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: actually mentioned in the article that I used for my 258 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: research as well today, and there's a section where they 259 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: talk about like they yeah, they didn't die, like they 260 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: took care of it and they equipped it with a 261 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: little tiny that's amazing. That's so cute. I don't know, 262 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: you know the picture I saw him the Smithsonian, which 263 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: is they must have pulled it off when they actually 264 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: mounted him, Jimmy, they maybe they replaced it with like 265 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: a you know, stand in pigeon leg like that's kind 266 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: of that's sort of silly. Women it makes it more 267 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: specialists when when pigeon with a wooden leg, Yeah, that 268 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: pigeon's got a story to tell. Yeah. Yeah, So this 269 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: is this is fascinating to me. I also wonder how, okay, 270 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: how common was this use of uh PMS, a pigeon 271 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: messaging service is what I mean? Like, would would the 272 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: average person say in I don't know, well, not average person, 273 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: average merchants say in France somewhere? Would they would they 274 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, it's the end of the month, time 275 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: to send the accounting pigeon? Or like was it more 276 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: a military thing? Well, it depends on the age. I think, 277 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, when you go back further, it was more 278 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: of an upper class thing that we're valued very highly 279 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: later on. Actually Routers was the first UH news agency 280 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: embroiders rather to use pigeons, So I think at that 281 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: point what journalists who are using they're probably a little 282 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: bit more accessible. Loves pigeons. Is Mike Tyson, Yeah, he's 283 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: a pigeon, big pigeon enthusiast. And it also makes me 284 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: think of there's a character you know that's a crime thing. 285 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: It's in a lot of crime movies, but specifically I 286 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: believe and the Wire, there's a character who has a 287 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: pigeon coop and he uses them to do like drug 288 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: messaging the waterfront. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So I guess 289 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: the four of us are the only people who aren't 290 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: using pigeons. Do you know my stands on? Yeah, I understand. 291 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I will not send a pigeon to your house. What's 292 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: your stance. I don't care for them. They freak me out, 293 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: And birds in general, it's more they're like little weird velociraptors. 294 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm always afraid they're gonna come at me with their 295 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: weird flappy wings and there's little feet that you were mentioning, 296 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: legs and talents. What happened? What happened? I know, I've 297 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: I've I've I've been through a significant amount of regression 298 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: therapy UM, and I have discovered that when I was 299 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: a small boy, my grandpapa took me to the beach 300 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: and he scattered breadcrumbs around my tiny body and I 301 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: was swarmed by by seagulls. And then have forever been 302 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: traumatized by this memory. Yeah, I wake up screaming, sort 303 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: of like Batman in the bat Cave. You know I 304 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: did not use this, Uh, this trauma to form a 305 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: superhero alter ego. Um, but I have used it to 306 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: complain about birds every chame. It's still it's a serious thing. 307 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: One time I was eating a crumbly sandwich, you know, 308 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: like yours. Yeah, even the image. But we know that 309 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: we know that birds have played messaging role in like 310 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: you said, uh, the various points throughout ancient civilization. Also, 311 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, ravens were sometimes used. But the pigeon, I guess, 312 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: became so common because it already is very like common bird, 313 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: and it has this ni inexplicable superpower, right, this homing superpower. 314 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: And and they're very they're very domesticate herble, you know, 315 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: they're they're they're very sweet, they're very highly they're easy 316 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: to train. Um, they make good pets apparently. Um So 317 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I not that I don't want to 318 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: crap on ravens, but maybe they'll crap on you. They'll 319 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: teach their kids to do it smart. They are very smart. 320 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: They are very smart birds. But I think maybe pigeons 321 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: have a little bit more cuteness um and adorable going 322 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: for them over the raven pigeons do I mean? And 323 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm just literally just googled this, but you can. It's 324 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: not that hard to train. Like you said, you literally 325 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: the one thing that comes up first and google is 326 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: you just gotta take it about a mile away from home. 327 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: Question is where's home? And how do you know where home? 328 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: Is that? Like where they're born? Yeah? Who knows? Because birds, 329 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: you know, migrating all that. Again, not a pigeon expert. 330 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: But then you just release them. And apparently if you 331 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: do this several times a week or daily, over time, 332 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: they will just kind of develop. This is like a 333 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: thing they just innately know how to do exactly for you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, 334 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: And and so you know, they were used all throughout. 335 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: I think the coolest use of it to me was 336 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: just during wartime. Um, even on planes they would have 337 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: two pigeons in case the plane went down, and it 338 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: saved numerous people's lives. They're actually the most decorated animals 339 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: in military history. Um, so you know they for these 340 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: little birds that annoy us, they've got a lot of heart, 341 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: they got a lot of history. Yeah, maybe we should, 342 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: Maybe we should respect pigeons a little bit more. I 343 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: always trying to befriend them, do you I try? But 344 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's usually in a weird city and I'm 345 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: just traveling for a little while, and city pigeons are 346 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: not impressed with me. I've been trying to be friends 347 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: Corvid's and it's still like Corvid's don't respect me at 348 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: my house, you know about this. Sometimes I'll just see 349 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: you with your arms spread and your head kind of 350 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: cocked back, like the birds just summoned to you, like 351 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: that guy from but the birds don't come yet. I 352 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. Yeah, I feel like pigeons, at 353 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: least the city pigeons that I've come to know from 354 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: a distance. Uh, you know, they're they're mostly just about 355 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: getting those crumbs. Yeah, they're not interested in you, you know, 356 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: don't tell you. It's like it's almost like they're the 357 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: cats of birds. We were just in Austin, Ben and I, 358 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: and in Austin they do have some pigeons, but they 359 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: mainly have these freaky birds called grackles. Do you guys 360 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: known about grackles. First of all, it sounds like a 361 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Seuss creature, the grackle, you know, But they're these 362 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of more like almost um, it's like a cardinal 363 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: if a cardinal was like iridescent black, like to the 364 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: point where if you look at it from different angles, 365 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: it kind of color changes like a hologram. But these 366 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: dudes will just get all up in your business. We 367 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: were eating tacos outside and one was just eyeing me 368 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: and I was visibly uncomfortable. It's not an act. They 369 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: also are. Each one of them is like an amazing 370 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: fully artist, you know, they're they're the kind of birds 371 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: who reproduce car Alarmat is very mimicry, kind of oriented, 372 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: and it's like, Dude, I don't want your mixtape. We're 373 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: trying to eat a taco. Please just know you don't 374 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: have to do the whole thing for us. I'll take 375 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: I'll take a link to a SoundCloud or something like that. 376 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: That's a brilliant idea, actually that marketing would be coming 377 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: back or so, Bill, you've already kind of I think 378 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: surprised all of us with some pigeon facts, as some 379 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: things I certainly didn't know. It really stands out that 380 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: the most highly decorated military animal I would have assumed dogs, 381 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: and I have learned something about assumptions, you know. I 382 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: think that maybe because the amount of them that were 383 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: shot down, and I mean really anytime they were used 384 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: it was a life or death situation and not that 385 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: dogs they do that as well, but I don't think 386 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: they did that every time, you know, hopefully not. So. 387 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: What are some other pigeon facts, some pigeon takeaways? Some 388 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: what recommendations do you maybe we all do this? What 389 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: recommendations do you have for the future pigeon communication? You know? 390 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: I think I think we should go back to it. 391 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't. I don't know about y'all, but I'm 392 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: way too addicted to my cell phone, you know. And 393 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: how much more romantic or interesting would it be to 394 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: communicate with your friends or loved ones through pigeons, depending 395 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: if they like pigeons. It would be like a threat. 396 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: I would get a text that would just say, dude, 397 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: what's wrong? Are we okay? Like? Why did you send 398 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: this bird to my house? Guys? They're freaky looking, their 399 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: beady little eyes, they're weird beats and are flappy wind no, 400 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: don't careful, and they're super fast. I mean, really, that's 401 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, I appreciate the game, I appreciate 402 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: the hustle. I just don't want any part of it. 403 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: Mark was really I thought I caught that diplomas mark 404 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,479 Speaker 1: when you said, you know, I've I've seen some pigeons 405 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: from a distance, and I got I think that carried 406 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: the feelings across Well, yeah, no, I I feel like, 407 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, if we were to continue to use pigeons 408 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: or go back to using pigeons, I feel like, you know, 409 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of messaging, a lot of texts. You know, 410 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: we don't need it every single day, you know, so 411 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: maybe like all your subscriptions, all your email subscriptions, what 412 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: about these sociopaths that leave read receipts on Who are 413 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: these people? I do not understand. I feel like you 414 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: guys have talked about this the way you laugh. I'm like, hey, 415 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: do they know? And if they do, what's their game? 416 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: What is their angle here? Right? I don't know. I 417 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: don't like this idea that you know. I think we're 418 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: all on the same page. I don't like this normalization 419 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: of a like the expectation of a reply. And you 420 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: know the past is defined by people leaving each other 421 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: on red because that's how letters work. Uh, And you know, 422 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, I get it. I I don't understand. 423 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: It feels like you're always on if your messages instantly 424 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: show a red receipt. Yeah, yeah, it's a little scary. 425 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: It's a little bit intrusive. For that reason alone, I'll 426 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: go with pigeons if I could just add, uh, just 427 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: to wrap it up on my end um. They've been 428 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: used as recently as the seventies by the CIA pigeons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 429 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: They attached these little cameras to them to take pictures 430 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: and they actually were sharper pictures than that they were 431 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: getting from planes and things like that as well. Um, 432 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: you know, the earliest kind of go pro. It's like 433 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: a pigeon go pro. It's pretty cool. It's like an 434 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: image of it on the side. I would say, I 435 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: tripoli the name of the as a whole article called 436 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: consider the pigeon a surprisingly capable technology because at the 437 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, all the stuff we're talking about 438 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: here is technology. It is Technology is all about how 439 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: you employ a thing that exists for a given purpose, 440 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: you know, and pigeons are pretty effective, well, you know, 441 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: and thinking about beyond just delivering messages or QR codes 442 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: are scaring the crap out, no, I mean, they've been 443 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: used recently to to deliver drugs to prisons. That was 444 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: a kind of interesting use of them. Unfortunately, there in 445 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: Columbia there's a pigeon that couldn't scale a wall because 446 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: they weighed them down with too much weed. They didn't 447 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: give an amount that was too much. I'm not sure 448 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: how much they tried to get in there, but they've 449 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: been used for that. They've been used to deliver like ketamine. 450 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: So what if you had two pigeons towing it on 451 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: a line I thought about that would be visible, The 452 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: guards would clock it. You, they might get kind that 453 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: razor wire. Those two pigeons carrying weed into the prison, 454 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: and it's like, what are you talking about? You're crazy? 455 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: You thought I was crazy? You need this jump suit? No, 456 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: I mean I see it. Do you want me to 457 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: take a picture of it? Well, well, I think if 458 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: we're being rational, we can't assume it's weak. They could 459 00:26:52,880 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: be carrying a couple of things like ketamine, um, other quails. Yeah, 460 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if they could do a cell phone 461 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: to get a burner phone in there. That might be 462 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: a little bit too heavy. The DVD of the Cable Guy. 463 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: The DVD of the Cable Guy related, but have you 464 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: guys heard about these tiny tiny phones that are designed 465 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: to like go up your butt in prison. Yeah, Like 466 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: it was like a Vice article. I thought it was 467 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: a joke because it came up on like stories on 468 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: Instagram and it was just just dude holding this tiny 469 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: little phone and that's just it's designed to go right 470 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,239 Speaker 1: near old prison wall. That's a will Will Ferrell had 471 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: one of those on an sn L sketch and I 472 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: didn't realize that that's a real thing. Well, now that's 473 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: good to know for future because of the face that 474 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: I'll end up in prison when you know, it's funny 475 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: because before you got here, we were we were talking 476 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: about that, but in glowing ways. We were like, he's 477 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: gonna be great. He's gonna be like awesome with this. 478 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: So start a library. Start start a library. Get some 479 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: pigeons going, you know, bring in books. Uh, they'd have 480 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: to be small books to the pige I'm gonna be 481 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: thinking about this for a while. So Bill, before we 482 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: go to another weird way people used to communicate or 483 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: in your case still do community. Uh what what is 484 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: what is the takeaway here? So we know that this 485 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: technology is ancient theyllive you point out as technology and 486 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: we know that it is still something that people people use. 487 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: You said you want to go back to pigeons. I mean, honestly, 488 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: for me, the big takeaway is just to respect these 489 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: animals that I think are really intelligent, are amazing, have 490 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: these amazing skills, and you know, there's a lot of 491 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: crazy stuff going on in the world. If we need 492 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: to go back to older ways to communicate sometime soon, 493 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: make sure you treat a pigeon nice, because they might 494 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: save your life. Hold the phone, or should we say 495 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: hold the pigeon. This is going to be a two 496 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: part episode because we learned so much from Bill's examination 497 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: pigeons as communication that lead need to spend the week 498 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: on this. You know, so Max, you and I listened 499 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: back and we I I learned a lot I don't 500 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: know about you, you know, oh yeah, so much, especially 501 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, you guys wouldn't let me 502 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: talk on the podcast, so I I all I could 503 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: do was just sit there and listen and then scream 504 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: at you guys. But know that no one else could 505 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: hear me screaming at you. Yeah, but we could hear 506 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: you in the headphones. Oh yeah, I know. I made 507 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: sure to be really loud the little episode. Yeah it was. 508 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: It was like being actively heckled, which which we all appreciated. 509 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: So this is just the beginning, folks. Please tune in 510 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: later this Thursday for Part two of Weird Ways People 511 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: Used to Communicate. We'll have our returning guests Mr Mark 512 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Kendall and Mr Bill Whorley from Ridiculous News joining us 513 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: and can't wait for you to hear uh. Here Noel's 514 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: masterclass on another way people used to communicate. He delves 515 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: into the fact versus fiction of a little something called 516 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: Smoked Signals. It's a literal smoke show. We can't wait 517 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: for you to hear it, and, as my good buddy 518 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: Nol likes to say, we'll see you next time, folks. 519 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I 520 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to 521 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.