WEBVTT - 63: How to Get a Job After You Commit a Felony

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<v Speaker 1>to the Internet of the cannabis, tarted to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>there were all these other ways, like all the all

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<v Speaker 1>these other points at which race can play roles, such

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, rebounding from something like this. Um. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's some data I've read that that white people

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<v Speaker 1>with a record are more likely to get hired than

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<v Speaker 1>black people with that one, and you know that that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of shocking. Hello, and welcome back to Bloomberg Benchmark

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<v Speaker 1>Show about the global economy. I'm Scott Landman, an economics

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<v Speaker 1>editor with Bloomberg News in Washington, and I'm Keith Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>an editor with Bloomberg here in New York. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking for a break from this post election madness,

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<v Speaker 1>you've come to the right place. Today on Benchmark, we're

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<v Speaker 1>turning our attention to an often overlooked corner of the U.

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<v Speaker 1>S economy. Our prison population. So here are some numbers

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<v Speaker 1>that we found really interesting. The US accounts for one

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<v Speaker 1>fifth of the world's prisoners, even though the nation only

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<v Speaker 1>has of the world's population. That's right, the US has

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<v Speaker 1>two point two million people in prison, and that's more

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<v Speaker 1>people than China actually has in prison, and China has

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<v Speaker 1>a population that's four times bigger than the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>All told, the US imprisons almost one per cent of

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<v Speaker 1>its population. That excludes other forms of detention, but it's still,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty high number. And it's actually the highest

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<v Speaker 1>proportion in the world when you look at the share

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<v Speaker 1>of the population that's in jail. So here a Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 1>We obviously love superlatives. So hearing highest proportion, that got

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<v Speaker 1>us thinking two questions, are there too many people in jail?

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<v Speaker 1>And is that very fact? You know? The extension in

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<v Speaker 1>that we make it tough for x cons to get

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<v Speaker 1>back to jobs, is holding back economic growth? Well, joining

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<v Speaker 1>us today to explore the issue as a woman in

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<v Speaker 1>her early thirties who was intimately familiar with what it's

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<v Speaker 1>like to go to prison and what it's like to

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<v Speaker 1>rejoin the workforce afterwards. Carry Blakinger was a senior at Cornell,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ivy League university in upstate New York, when she

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<v Speaker 1>was busted six years ago for heroin possession six ounces

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<v Speaker 1>to be precise. Kerry pleaded guilty to criminal possession of

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<v Speaker 1>a controlled substance Class B felony and served twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>months in prison out of a two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>year sentence. She did most of her time at Albion,

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<v Speaker 1>a medium security facility for women in upstate New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Following her release in September, Carry managed to get reinstated

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<v Speaker 1>at Cornell, graduated with a degree in English in December,

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<v Speaker 1>and got herself a job at the Ithaca Times. She

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<v Speaker 1>since moved on to the New York Daily News and

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<v Speaker 1>more recently moved to Texas, where she's now working as

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<v Speaker 1>a general assignment reporter at the Houston Chronicle. She's on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with us now from Houston. Carry, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us today. Hi, thanks for having me. Carry.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get one thing out of the way, something you've

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<v Speaker 1>been open about discussing. You're white. How much did your

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<v Speaker 1>race play in your ability to rebound from prison, earn

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<v Speaker 1>your degree and get a job in the industry of

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<v Speaker 1>your choosing? Well, you know, I think that, Uh it

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it played a huge role, but uh, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to point to an exact moment and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this happened because I was white. Uh. It's something that

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<v Speaker 1>I sort of gradually realized in looking at data that

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<v Speaker 1>there are um a lot of indications that statistically this

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<v Speaker 1>rebound would have been less likely if I were a minority. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that before going to prison, I hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>thought a lot about the racial disparities in the criminal

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<v Speaker 1>justice system. Like I sort of I knew that they existed,

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<v Speaker 1>as I think everyone does, but it didn't really hit

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<v Speaker 1>home until I was actually seen it in front of me. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And and even then it was not immediately apparent because

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<v Speaker 1>in the county that I got arrested in, it's so

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<v Speaker 1>over overwhelmingly white that the county jail is also overwhelmingly white.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh. In Thompton County, which is where it is,

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<v Speaker 1>the county jail is somewhere around twentysomething present black, which

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<v Speaker 1>is much lower than most other incarcerated populations. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>because the town is only about five percent block. So

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until I went to state prison. Um after

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<v Speaker 1>about ten months that I that I was seeing, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>around half of the population was black, and um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that makes it much more obvious. That

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<v Speaker 1>sort of drives home these statistics that you might read about, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean when you hear people's stories and

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<v Speaker 1>you realize why they're there and the differences in what

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<v Speaker 1>sort of crimes lands people in prison. So you know

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<v Speaker 1>this this was sort of gradual realization for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when I got out, uh and I had access

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<v Speaker 1>to the internet the cannon, I started to realize that

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<v Speaker 1>there were all these other ways, like all the all

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<v Speaker 1>these other points at which race can play roles, such

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, rebounding from something like this. Um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's some data I've read that, uh that white

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<v Speaker 1>people with a record are more likely to get hired

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<v Speaker 1>than black people with that one, and you know that

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of shocking. I certainly can't look back at

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<v Speaker 1>anyone's job and say, oh, I I would not have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten hired if I were a minority in this job.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know that overall, statistically it's true. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's something that sometimes people struggle with when they,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they'll ask me, well, at what point did

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<v Speaker 1>this play a role? And I sort of can't point

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<v Speaker 1>to any one thing and say definitively race with the

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<v Speaker 1>factor here, but I can say that, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>all these different points at which is really likely that

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<v Speaker 1>it played a role, and it's you know, statistically looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the data, is it looks like it's likely played

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<v Speaker 1>a role. If I can jump in, Um, one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, kind of as you're talking, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit interesting. So obviously you know the

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<v Speaker 1>word fell in. You know, it carries a start, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a certain stigma, but in reality it's an

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<v Speaker 1>umbrella term for you know, a host of different things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ranging from you know, kind of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with you, but then you know some much much more

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<v Speaker 1>like violent crimes. Um, why does society attach so much

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<v Speaker 1>stigma to felons given that you know kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>breadth of those crimes and some are just so much

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<v Speaker 1>worse than others. I mean, is this failure to properly

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<v Speaker 1>rehabilitate people holding back society and the economy. Well, to

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<v Speaker 1>answer your your first question, I think that, uh, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason people attached to speaking of sounds is

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of people think of silence as rapists

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<v Speaker 1>and murderers, and it's actually, you know, as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>a much broader class. I mean, this can include drunk

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<v Speaker 1>driving charges, even in situations where no one's actually been injured. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Not to minimize the severity of drunk driving, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying I think that's not what a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people think of when they think of a felon UM.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that that's part of the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>there's this stigma, because people sort of just assume this

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<v Speaker 1>means murderers and rapists, you know, and and also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Sony's don't go away in most states. In some states

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<v Speaker 1>there are options to ex fund or steal your record. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But something that's twenty years old can have just as

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<v Speaker 1>much impact on your ability to get a job as

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<v Speaker 1>something that's five years old. It really just depends on

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<v Speaker 1>how employers ask, how they ask about it, and how

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<v Speaker 1>they choose to take time to account. If I can

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<v Speaker 1>ask you a personal question, Carrie, when you were looking

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<v Speaker 1>at jobs after um, your experience in prison, how did

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<v Speaker 1>you handle that question? So, my my first job at

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<v Speaker 1>the at the Times, it was not a question. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>you knew. It was a small town like there's no

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<v Speaker 1>chance i'd he was unaware. Um, so, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a small, very liberal town, and um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this was just sort of h it was a

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<v Speaker 1>nice little homie paper and a nice community, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was not as likely to affect me there in that job. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's then moving up to the other one the

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<v Speaker 1>other places, right, So since then, Um, I've I've found that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I've applied for a number of jobs, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've only had one job that asked about it and

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<v Speaker 1>actually called me back. Every other time that I've had

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<v Speaker 1>to check the box, uh, I've never gotten a callback.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've never heard anything. Um, although I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a you know, a decent call back right on

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<v Speaker 1>jobs that I did not have to check the box.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not a definitive study or any conclusion, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know it, and totally it does. It has seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to make a difference in my personal experience of employment.

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<v Speaker 1>My current job is the only one that I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>checked off the box floor and not only gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>call back, but then actually got hired. Um. The Daily

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<v Speaker 1>News did not ask any climes did not ask, although

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<v Speaker 1>I should have assumed that in journalism, employers would be

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<v Speaker 1>likely to google you, so I have to do that

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<v Speaker 1>in my case. People know. But I do think that when,

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<v Speaker 1>when and whether they ask uh is sort of indicative

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<v Speaker 1>of how they're they're going to handle the answer. Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talk about how many people are in prison

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, thinking about your own experience, how many

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<v Speaker 1>of the people you saw during your time in prison

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<v Speaker 1>should not have been there in your opinion, or we're

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<v Speaker 1>serving too long relative to the crimes they committed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think that's a really hard question to answer.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, but one thing that I did notice is

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<v Speaker 1>that I feel like, uh, you know, in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cases, you know, well, in almost all cases, prison

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<v Speaker 1>did not help. It's not like, uh, somebody went to

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<v Speaker 1>prison and came out and was better able to address life,

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<v Speaker 1>Like That's that's pretty rare that someone comes out and

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<v Speaker 1>does better after prison than they did before. So, uh

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<v Speaker 1>So in that sense, you know, almost you know, almost

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<v Speaker 1>no one should should be there if that's the measure.

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<v Speaker 1>If the goal is rehabilitation. Of course, the goal is

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<v Speaker 1>not solely rehabilitation. Part of the goal of prison is punishment,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, that's the more subjective thing I probably

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<v Speaker 1>can't really speak to. All Right, Well, we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>Venner and Smith Incorporated. All Right, welcome back. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit more about the economic issues around

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<v Speaker 1>the job market. Uh. You know, obviously you had one

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<v Speaker 1>experience carry at at a facility and upstate New York. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know they're with with two million people in

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<v Speaker 1>prison nationwide, uh, and many more people with a criminal record. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>What percentage of people would you actually say are are employable?

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<v Speaker 1>And should employers be more open to people who are

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<v Speaker 1>desperately trying to get back in the world. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say, Uh, what what percentage of people getting

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<v Speaker 1>out are employable? You know, everyone comes out with a

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<v Speaker 1>different skill set and you know, a different mindset is

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<v Speaker 1>to whether they're interested in being rehabilitated. But I think generally,

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<v Speaker 1>if people are in a position where they're making the

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<v Speaker 1>effort to look for employment. That's probably would indicator that

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<v Speaker 1>they're interested in some amount of rehabilitation. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>employers are going to take into consideration different things like

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<v Speaker 1>how long it's been since the crime is committed, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what the crime was. I think that employers, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she considered not dismissing felons as a whole,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously some are interested in rehabilitation and can make

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<v Speaker 1>great employees. Let me ask you a question care about, um,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a little bit personal. When you were there,

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<v Speaker 1>how many people did you see actively trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of resources that were available to them to support

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<v Speaker 1>rehabilitation or to support a more successful job search upon

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<v Speaker 1>their release. Was that common? Well, there aren't really a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of resources to do that behind bars. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you're incarcerated in a state prison, you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're you're far from home, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you can sort of start a job search or

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<v Speaker 1>anything to to get on your feet from behind bars.

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<v Speaker 1>There are limited college programs, and you know those are

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<v Speaker 1>typically fo people are interested in those. Uh you know, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I know one woman who was very inspirational

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<v Speaker 1>story to me. Anyways, she came in with no high

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<v Speaker 1>school degree, and she got her j D. And then

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<v Speaker 1>she started college classes and then by the time she

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<v Speaker 1>was ready to be released, she she gotten a college

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<v Speaker 1>degree behind bars. You know. So I think that's an

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<v Speaker 1>example of someone who's obviously trying to make the most

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<v Speaker 1>of the resources, but those resources are are very limited.

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<v Speaker 1>So are they living in the sense that there are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just there's so few and the few offerings

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<v Speaker 1>that are made get filled up really quickly, or they've

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<v Speaker 1>limited in that like there aren't there isn't a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of demand. Uh. There there's limited in that there's not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of resources and that they fill up quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also uh you know, there are are also vocational

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<v Speaker 1>classes um which uh I think not as useful to

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<v Speaker 1>as many people, but you know, people take them. There's

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<v Speaker 1>g D classes. People take those. Uh. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what what people do to build their time in prison

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't always translate to what's going to happen on the outside. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So that can be you know, that can be problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>But people that have completed some college education in prison

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<v Speaker 1>have a lower cidivism rate than those that haven't. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you about the national landscape for prison reform

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<v Speaker 1>or sentencing reform. Uh. You know, we've the country as

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<v Speaker 1>elected Donald Trump as president, Republicans both houses of Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's platform was was largely lauren order. He supports prison privatization,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to restore voting rights to uh to ex felons.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, there is kind of this bipartisan

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<v Speaker 1>sense that, you know, some of the sentencing laws were

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<v Speaker 1>too strict. People are getting too long sentences for things

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<v Speaker 1>like drug possession, obviously, and that you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>benefits you with the sensing laws being changed just before, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you you went to prison. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>make of the landscape on these issues right now? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think is going to happen? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that there has been strong bipartisan support for change

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<v Speaker 1>for a number of years now, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that a Trump presidency would unilaterally change that. And just um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one more personal question, how have you been

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<v Speaker 1>able to stay clean all these years? Kerry? Uh? For me,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a lot about finding something else to fill

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<v Speaker 1>the spot in my life that Heroin took up. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and for me that's been UH. Journalism has you know,

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<v Speaker 1>has been, uh, something I could really throw myself into.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that for a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>stay clean, it's about finding something else to to fill

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<v Speaker 1>that spot, to help you become a different person than

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<v Speaker 1>the person that you were back then. Well, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>come back to the you know, the prison population, the

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<v Speaker 1>prospects for economic growth. You have this tight job market

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<v Speaker 1>these days, they're they're employers who complain that they can't

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<v Speaker 1>find workers. You know, we we've been talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe maybe employers are too strict with not

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<v Speaker 1>giving felon ex felons a look in their job applications. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump says he wants to put million people back

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<v Speaker 1>to work and double the rate of growth. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>possible to do that, you think without turning to uh,

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<v Speaker 1>people who are who are out of prison for for

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<v Speaker 1>criminal convictions. Carry. Well, I'm not an econmist so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably not that qualified to answer that question. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone can say that it's easier to make that

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<v Speaker 1>a possibility if felons are more readily included in the

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<v Speaker 1>job market. Let me ask you a question, carry personally,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of like adding a little bit of color

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<v Speaker 1>to this, did you see people that you knew while

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<v Speaker 1>you were in prison struggle to find jobs, even though

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<v Speaker 1>you know, knowing them personally, they were perfectly capable. Yes, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's been I I see you know, on my

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook speed I have, uh, you know, I keep in

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<v Speaker 1>touch with a lot of people, and I do see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them struggling to find employment. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that makes it hard to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>the right track. If if that's uh, it's that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big stumbling block. I see that there are certain fields

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<v Speaker 1>in which people seem to have more luck. Uh. Seems

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people that are doing well have

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<v Speaker 1>gone into advocacy and non profit work, and that seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be a feel that is currently relatively open minded

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<v Speaker 1>to hiring people with a criminal background. But some people

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<v Speaker 1>that have black hounds in other fields, it's it's much

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<v Speaker 1>more difficult. All right, Well, Kerry, let's leave it there.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>a really fascinating discussion. And uh, you know, I'm personally

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<v Speaker 1>gratified that that that journalism has that that that you're

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<v Speaker 1>part of our profession and in that you know that

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<v Speaker 1>has helped you stay clean. Like like you said, to

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<v Speaker 1>give you that drive in your life. Well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks for having me on today. Al Right, Benchmark

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