WEBVTT - Episode 433: The Mariners Fire Hitting Coach Bobby Magallanes: What Does That Mean For Everyone Else? + Mailbag

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to episode number four thirty three of the Marine

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<v Speaker 2>react to the Mariners firing assistant hitting coach Bobby Maggie

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get it rolling and we welcome you to this

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<v Speaker 2>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball Podcast network, recording here on Thursday evening, July twenty third.

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<v Speaker 2>Lilyile action has been taken.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's all been fixed. Team's been fixed, Season's been fixed.

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<v Speaker 1>Shirley firing a third hitting coach just solved everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby meggianis uh not high on the Mariners heading coach

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<v Speaker 2>totem Pole. He is in fact third on the list

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<v Speaker 2>of Mariners hitting coaches. But someone today decided that it

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<v Speaker 2>was his day to lose his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't even know what to say to this. Supposedly,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby maggianis worked on more of the mechanical hitting side

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<v Speaker 1>with the players, and that was his designated role. But

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<v Speaker 1>spin it however you want. You can't tell me taking

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<v Speaker 1>action by firing a third hitting coach is what gets

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<v Speaker 1>the engine going of this team. I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 1>for one second.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if Bobby Maggianis had enough control over the Mariners

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<v Speaker 2>offense and the Mariners offensive results that he rightfully deserved

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<v Speaker 2>to get fired at this point to fix the Mariner's offense,

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<v Speaker 2>then I would ask what Kevin Seitzer and Edgar Martinez

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<v Speaker 2>are doing if they're like the two guys higher up

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<v Speaker 2>than he is and the hitting coach ranks. But the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is, I don't think that's that's it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Mariners just they wanted to show they're

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<v Speaker 2>willing to take action to the rest of the people

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<v Speaker 2>on this coaching staff, on this roster and in the

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<v Speaker 2>front office as well. That's what I think this was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a scapegoat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's a scapegoat. From everything we can understand,

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Maggianis was liked by everybody for the Mariners right.

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<v Speaker 2>Never once did it seem like the third hitting coach

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<v Speaker 2>was ever the issue, or that the Mariners have terrible

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<v Speaker 2>hitting mechanics, which, by the way, if he was in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of mechanics. The mechanics worked out pretty fine at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of last year, same coaching staff. Wow, they

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<v Speaker 2>really are just running the twenty twenty four playbook right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is exactly how it went. You first start by

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<v Speaker 2>firing a hitting coach. Then after that in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when they DFAD a key player on the roster,

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<v Speaker 2>a tenured player, and we'll talk about who that could be.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after that they decided to fire the manager

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of the hitting coaches. Like that's how

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four or went. We're a little bit slower

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<v Speaker 2>in the clock right now, but it's at least the

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<v Speaker 2>start of that same playbook.

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<v Speaker 1>The key player of the DFA, for those who don't remember,

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<v Speaker 1>was Ty France, who, by the way, is just on

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<v Speaker 1>a thurge in San Diego right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And might be mentioned in this mailbag as a potential

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<v Speaker 2>trade target for the Mariners. Wouldn't that be funny? In

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<v Speaker 2>like the twenty twenty four esque season, the Mariners retrade

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<v Speaker 2>for Ty France.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be unreal. I don't know how they'd make that work,

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<v Speaker 1>just with the fact that they have a first baseman,

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<v Speaker 1>but Hey, I'm open to ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question for you, Lyle, who do you

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<v Speaker 2>think made this decision? Was this a coaching staff decision?

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<v Speaker 2>Aka Dan Wilson fired him? Do you think this was

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<v Speaker 2>a front office decision or was this an ownership decision?

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<v Speaker 1>Front office? You think so? Dude, I'm sorry. Do we

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<v Speaker 1>think Dan Wilson has the stones to fire people on

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<v Speaker 1>his coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as we know? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, like, yes, that's the right way to put it,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the as I know, And I'm concerned. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that came from somewhere above the coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 1>And you talked about this pre recording. Could it have

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<v Speaker 1>been ownership going to the front office and say change something?

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<v Speaker 1>So then the front office goes down to the coaching

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<v Speaker 1>staff and says change something, and by spiral of effects,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what ended up happening. Possible, feels like to me

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<v Speaker 1>though it was more of a front office thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in that chain of command, Lyle, you just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that the ownership was the one that told

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<v Speaker 2>the front office to make a move.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but what do John Stanton and Chris Larson know

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<v Speaker 1>about the third hitting coach?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they don't again, they just want to change. They

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<v Speaker 2>want an example like that. That's the only thing this

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<v Speaker 2>has to be as an example.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, this is also some of the issue you run

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<v Speaker 1>into with owners meddling, because again, what do billionaires know

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<v Speaker 1>about the third hitting coach of a baseball team.

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<v Speaker 2>But sure, but there's no way for us to prove

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<v Speaker 2>that they had any say in this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's no way to prove whose say it was

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<v Speaker 1>and whose decision it was. It's not public. But I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to assume it is somebody above the coaching

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<v Speaker 1>staff that made this call. Somebody is an acting change.

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<v Speaker 2>What this kind of feels like to me is that

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<v Speaker 2>whoever ended up making this decision, however high up they are,

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to send a message to the front office,

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching staff, and the players that accountability has arrived

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<v Speaker 2>at the point of the season where it's starting to

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<v Speaker 2>cost people their jobs for underperforming, and that if the

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<v Speaker 2>performance continues at this level, I would be really surprised

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<v Speaker 2>if we didn't see more accountability come in any of

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<v Speaker 2>the forms I just mentioned earlier, with how it played

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<v Speaker 2>out in twenty twenty four, where you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>players and you're like, you guys are really underperforming. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to make a change on the roster. Oh coaching staff,

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<v Speaker 2>we think you guys are really underperforming at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>So sorry, we're gonna need to make a change. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of how this works, or even if it

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<v Speaker 2>goes higher front office. I don't like this job you

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<v Speaker 2>guys did with this roster this year. It's clearly wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>good enough. And I've had enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can say this. The echo chamber has

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<v Speaker 1>been loud as can be, especially this season about calling

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<v Speaker 1>for Dan Wilson's job. We just talked about it on

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode with Logan responding to a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that echo chamber has been loud, and for those

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<v Speaker 1>people in that echo chamber, I will say objectively, Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson's seat just got warmer today than it was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Because somebody on your staff gets fired. That's step one.

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<v Speaker 1>It continues to go badly, more action gets taken.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the what's the echo chamber going to be

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<v Speaker 2>saying if the Mariners pull off one in six road trip?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the same thing they've been saying all year,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing they've been saying since Game seven of the Alcs.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, except this time you're gonna have Oh well, they're

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<v Speaker 2>willing to make moves. I think there are some people

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<v Speaker 2>paranoid were never gonna make a move this year where

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<v Speaker 2>they were gonna be like, we stilln't believe in all

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<v Speaker 2>of these guys. We think we're good enough, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>roll with that. But now they've show them, no, we're willing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're willing to make some moves. I hope this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>just performative where it's this is the only guy they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually willing to let go of. And let's say they

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<v Speaker 2>continue to massively underperform through the end of the season

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't change anything else. It's like, well, so

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<v Speaker 2>you just fired a guy, just Couz, and nothing changed, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which would really suck for Bobby maggianas that would really suck.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it'd be such a slap in the face again,

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be such a scapegoat move, which it already kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feels like it was. But we'll see how things

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<v Speaker 1>go the rest of the year. I can't exactly imagine

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<v Speaker 1>that if the Mariners go and turn this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>around and win the World Series, that there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>many stories featured on well. The firing of third hitting

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<v Speaker 1>coach Bobby maggieans sparked the twenty twenty six Mariners onto

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series. Yeah, I can't really imagine that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's recount twenty twenty four a little bit, just so

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<v Speaker 2>we can draw some of these parallels. Twenty twenty four was,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe with slightly lower expectations, a similar vibe of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty six team, where the lineup especially is underperforming

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<v Speaker 2>massively well. The pitching staff is pitching well. This staff's

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<v Speaker 2>not as good as that one, but it's still generally

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<v Speaker 2>pitching pretty well, definitely well enough for them to win

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<v Speaker 2>a division and make it to the playoffs. The common

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<v Speaker 2>theme with those two teams is that the lineups of

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<v Speaker 2>those teams underperformed enormously. I honestly feel like that twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four team lineup was better, was more productive than

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<v Speaker 2>this one currently, as I haven't checked, the Mariners team

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<v Speaker 2>ranks offensively obviously and long enough to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they're like second to last in overall offense right now

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<v Speaker 2>and runs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, are we shocked?

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<v Speaker 2>No, oh oh no, I'm not shocked. It's just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a visual just slap in the face. To

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<v Speaker 2>me as I see it on my screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so they go out and have a bad

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<v Speaker 1>road trip, which is very plausible, by the way, considering

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing a Rangers team that is on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>You have not always played well in that ballpark. There's

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<v Speaker 1>points where they have, but points where they certainly haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're gonna go to La for three and

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<v Speaker 1>as we've said, I mean, you can kind of script

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<v Speaker 1>how that one's gonna go. Already, it's a bad road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>We may see more action in a week. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>very well might.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we're gonna continue to draw comparisons to that team. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the twenty twenty four Mariners team finished twenty first

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<v Speaker 2>in runs. This one's currently twenty ninth in runs, and

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<v Speaker 2>that offense had got three hitting coaches fired and the manager.

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<v Speaker 2>So just like put that into perspective right now. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners made the first move of that twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four season when they fired Brent Brown. Did anything change

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<v Speaker 2>after they fired Brent Brown? Absolutely not, No, not that

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<v Speaker 2>much change. What was the next action the Mariners took

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<v Speaker 2>in that twenty twenty four season.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, oh well, sorry, let me rephrase a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit after they fired Brian Brown. They had a ten

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<v Speaker 1>game lead and then blew a ten game lead in records.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh yeah, you don't remember they had a

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<v Speaker 1>ten game lead in the middle of June and then

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<v Speaker 1>blew it in record time to the Astros.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now I do. I remember that, yeah, very vividly.

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<v Speaker 1>The second course of action was they dfa ty France,

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<v Speaker 1>which again felt like another scapegoat move because ty France

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<v Speaker 1>was not hitting well. But it's not like he was

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<v Speaker 1>the problem with the whole offense.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like the median outcome on that Mariners roster,

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<v Speaker 2>in that lineup. I remember that podcast episode after that.

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<v Speaker 2>You could make the case there were like four guys

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<v Speaker 2>more to blame for the Mariners offensive struggles than Typrance was.

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<v Speaker 2>But ty France wasn't making any money, so they could dfam.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they had just come off an off season

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<v Speaker 1>of paying Mitch Garver twelve million bucks a year, who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hit at all. That was the year they traded

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<v Speaker 1>for Polo and he didn't hit at all. It was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty where he did hit twenty four. Polo in

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<v Speaker 1>a bad year, So it was those two. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Julio had his worst first half to date, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was other guys around that offense that weren't doing much either.

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<v Speaker 1>JP had a record setting twenty twenty three in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of his own career, and then came came absolutely tumbling

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<v Speaker 1>back to earth in twenty four where he was injured

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<v Speaker 1>and also not hitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh when they had Josh Rojas at third base, so

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't gonna hit either.

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<v Speaker 1>Who started red hot that year for the first six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks or so and then got ice cold.

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<v Speaker 2>He's bad. He's bad at the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of where the Mariners were at when

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<v Speaker 2>they let go of ty France. I'll tell you what, man,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners have a bad road trip and they come

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<v Speaker 2>home and they don't play that well against the A's

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<v Speaker 2>or the Twins, and they're not scoring a bunch of runs. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>are the Mariners gonna decide that they're gonna take accountability

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<v Speaker 2>on a player next, because like, if they take accountability

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<v Speaker 2>on a player, it could give them a helpful excuse

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<v Speaker 2>to free up more room on this roster, which we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about. There's not a lot of easy fits on

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<v Speaker 2>the trade market into your lineup because you just have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of guys on this roster that are taking

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<v Speaker 2>up spots and you need to clear a spot to

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<v Speaker 2>get them on there. The player that comes to mind

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<v Speaker 2>for me is JP Crawford. Jp Crawford has not hit

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<v Speaker 2>well recently. He makes the most sense to get squeezed

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<v Speaker 2>out of a spot when you go around the diamond.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously Col's not getting pushed out behind the plate,

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<v Speaker 2>Naylor's not at first, Cole's not at second. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you could send Colt down at shortstop. But again, like

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<v Speaker 2>JP's not playing well either, and his defense isn't good,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're you shouldn't just give him back shortstop. Randy's

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<v Speaker 2>in left, Julio's in center, and then right field is

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<v Speaker 2>just a mish match to guys. There's there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of guys in right field, so that would take more

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<v Speaker 2>than one. JP's kind of it, and there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>clear guy to come back and take a spot, Brendan

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<v Speaker 2>on of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's no saying for sure that happens, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible, especially since he's going to be a free

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<v Speaker 1>agent at the end of the year and he's not

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<v Speaker 1>hitting great. He's been a little better in July, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like he's had a great overall year. He's

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<v Speaker 1>still below league average by ops. Plus he's not playing

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<v Speaker 1>good defense. You know, he's slowing down, he's getting older,

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<v Speaker 1>And you're right that between Donovan, between Colt, between Cole

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<v Speaker 1>Young between Randy there is going to be a logjam

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<v Speaker 1>here at some point. Now Brendan Donovan actually has to

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<v Speaker 1>get back on the field first. But yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>are they for sure going to use the same playbook

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<v Speaker 1>as twenty twenty four? No, maybe they just don't dfa

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<v Speaker 1>any player this year. But who's the easiest com to

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<v Speaker 1>Tye Franz from two years ago. Yeah, it's probably JP.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see what the Mariners decide to do. It

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<v Speaker 2>probably depends on how they play here in the next

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks before the deadline, maybe just after the deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>Even that twenty four Mariners team, if we want to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to that playbook, they were aggressive at the deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>They traded for Randy Rosorin and didn't fix anything, and

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<v Speaker 2>Randy essentially heads Scott's are verus as a manager for

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks and then he got fired. So like I

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<v Speaker 2>can still that can still happen, because that's how that

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<v Speaker 2>played out, But everyone's seat on this roster did just

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<v Speaker 2>get hotter. Coaches, players, front office, every single person after

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<v Speaker 2>the move that was made today, and we'll see how

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<v Speaker 2>they respond to it. The goal of a move like

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<v Speaker 2>this is to wake everyone up and say, hey, like,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't play better, if something else is gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope they play better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed, agreed. Otherwise, how much can you say about

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<v Speaker 1>firing a third hitting coach? Just you know, doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's a serious a move, just not that serious

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<v Speaker 1>a move. I feel serious.

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<v Speaker 2>It's serious in the bigger picture, but the move specifically now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, again, I feel bad for Bobby Maggie Honis because

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't really his fault. Feel at least sure doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it, but he escapegoaded last thing on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember a couple of years ago. I remember we

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>Davish and he was in minnesot for a twin series

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<v Speaker 2>during that year. By the way, in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>people were really struggling with how bad the offense was,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked about hitting coaches. How much does a

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<v Speaker 2>big league hitting coach do? And Ryan said it pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bluntly is like these guys all have personal heading coaches

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<v Speaker 2>that they work with a ton, arguably more than the

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<v Speaker 2>team coaches themselves that the Mariners employ, like Sitzer and Edgar,

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<v Speaker 2>So you never really know who is responsible for the

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<v Speaker 2>swing of said player at this.

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<v Speaker 1>Point, right. I think often hitting coaches are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>give a lot of information rather than really retool swings.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and they leave the mechanics for the offseason.

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<v Speaker 1>H Yeah, all right, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a lot of really good mail bag questions,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's on the current Mariners team. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of certain trade proposals we need to get to

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<v Speaker 2>up for Mason Miller.

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<v Speaker 1>I would get pretty aggressive for Mason Miller because this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't just any old reliever. This is a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>makes games eight innings long. This is the best reliever

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<v Speaker 1>in Major League based with absolute wipeout stuff, who just

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<v Speaker 1>sits so far and away above everybody else in his class.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, he's got three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>years of club control. You would get four chances of

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<v Speaker 1>a playoff run in a World Series run with Mason

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<v Speaker 1>Miller closing games for you, And that's an addition to

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<v Speaker 1>Munno's and Brash and Spire and Ferrer and Bizaro. What

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<v Speaker 1>would I give up for Mason Miller. I would trade

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<v Speaker 1>one of the starting pitchers man, I would If it

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<v Speaker 1>takes George Kirby, I'd trade George Kirby. At some point,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to open up space space in this rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't have all these guys continuing to piggyback in

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<v Speaker 1>six minute, somebody's gonna go. And the rumors that have

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<v Speaker 1>been floated out there over the last day about the

0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Mariners dangling out starting pitchers seems to only indicate more

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<v Speaker 1>so that that's the case. So if it takes Kirby, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>trade Kirby. If it takes Castillo and high end prospects

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't named Kayden Sloan, yeah, I'd listen to that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the thing about this from the Padres perspective, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how they say no to that, because George

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<v Speaker 2>Kirby is a more valuable asset in my opinion, than

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<v Speaker 2>Leo Diverries's, which is what they had to give up

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<v Speaker 2>to get Mason Miller last year. Top prospects are great,

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<v Speaker 2>but Leo Devrez hasn't played an MLB game yet, so

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<v Speaker 2>everything from him is prospect status. It's a lore, it's tools,

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<v Speaker 2>it's projectability. Well, even as even though George Kirby has flaws,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an established All star Big League starting pitcher who's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna sit right in the middle of a rotation with

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<v Speaker 2>potential upside to be higher than that if he unlocks it,

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty hard thing to turn away. The options for

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<v Speaker 2>the Maritors to send to the Padres are Kirby, Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>or Castillo. Emerson. Hancock got a lot of attention on

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<v Speaker 2>the trade market today online that the Maritors were also

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<v Speaker 2>floating him out there as a potential option. As much

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<v Speaker 2>as it would break our heart, that would be a

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<v Speaker 2>really tough one to swallow. It does make sense why

0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners would float Emerson out there trying to capitalize

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<v Speaker 2>on his value right now, and given how much control

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<v Speaker 2>he has, you could you could really cash in on

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<v Speaker 2>a return for Emerson Hancock. Now the question of what

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<v Speaker 2>did I do this trade? I'm stuck on this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not fully convinced in the regular season to get

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<v Speaker 2>to the playoffs, which is the situation. The Mariners are

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<v Speaker 2>in right now that Mason Miller helps you get there

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<v Speaker 2>more than a George Kerb would. This is just in

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<v Speaker 2>the regular season. In the postseason totally makes sense. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I would totally agree the Mariners were in first place

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<v Speaker 2>right now and they were on a mission to make

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<v Speaker 2>their postseason roster better, I'd be like, yep, send the

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<v Speaker 2>starter away. I'm I'm all in on this. But the

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Mariners are in a situation right now where they're fighting

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<v Speaker 2>for a playoff spot, and it's like it's not guaranteed

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I don't know if trading for a closer

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<v Speaker 2>for the final two months of this season, I know

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<v Speaker 2>you have more control beyond that, but let's focus on

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<v Speaker 2>this season for now helps you get there as much.

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 1>But I think there is a factor that plays into this,

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 1>and a large one that has to do with years

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>onward from this as well, because this is how the

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Mariners usually operate a trade deadline. Twenty twenty five was

0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 1>pretty unique where they were trading for renolds. Usually they're

0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:33.000
<v Speaker 1>looking for players with club control. Mason Miller absolutely has

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.679
<v Speaker 1>club control. Should the Mariners be focused on winning in

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, Yes, And I think Mason Miller still

0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:42.359
<v Speaker 1>helps you do that, and the fact that moving forward

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you get three more years with them. It's the idea

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 1>of a brash Munno's Miller back three in your bullpen

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and you still abspire, Bizarto and Ferrera ahead of it.

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we said the Mariners were a bullpen arm

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>short to start this season. I still believe that you

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 1>go get Mason Miller. That's almost like getting two bullpen arms.

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.159
<v Speaker 1>That's how good he is. He is the best in

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the game, who is on pace for the Hall of Fame.

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 2>If this continues, I've come to a conclusion. If the

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Padres would somehow take Luis Castill in prospects for Mason Miller,

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I would do that. If the Mariners were gonna trade

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:31.879
<v Speaker 2>Emerson and Hancock and Laz I would do that. If

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 2>they're trading Kirby, I'm out.

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>I do it for Kirby.

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I think Kirby gives you a better chance of making

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the postseason in the regular season, which is the situation

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.159
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners are in right now. Over the course of

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:49.679
<v Speaker 2>regular season games, then Mason Miller would You're trading for

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty innings of Mason Miller, Max. But again, what happens

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>if he allows like three home runs and all of

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, those twenty innings aren't worth George Kirby.

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 1>But there's more years that go beyond this, more than

0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 1>Kirby has.

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 2>By the way, you know me, I don't give a

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 2>shit about the years out to this, not at all.

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 1>I still care for somebody like Mason Miller. I care. Hmm.

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I think relievers are too fickle to look at three

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 2>years of control.

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but isn't Mason Miller a little different than most relievers.

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>Everyone is prone to down years as a reliever. Again,

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Mason Miller gives up five homers in a season and

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 2>his season's done, it's toast. Then all the values gone.

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 2>One injury.

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean you could say that with any pitcher.

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a risk. But with my mindset of like this

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>season right, So that's why I'm not valuing the future

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>years of Mason Miller quite as much. Where I see

0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>a Mariners team that currently sits below five hundred, has

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:05.199
<v Speaker 2>pressing needs else square and you're gonna trade your I

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 2>feel like you were giving up more value than you

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 2>were getting back for this season. Trying to win right now,

0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>as fun as the back end of that bullpen sounds.

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it gives you a better chance

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 2>this year.

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Does it change your mind at all that by Baseball Reference,

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Mason Miller has been more than half a win better

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 1>than George Kirby this year.

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Like sure, Okay, so you're been thinking about I'm thinking

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>about math on a baseball field. Six innings of a

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 2>starter versus one inning of a reliever. That only comes

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 2>in if you're winning the game.

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, But then which starting pitcher is getting traded if

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not doing it for Kirby Because at some point

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>you have to trade a pitcher. You don't have to

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>trade one. You could put one in the bullpen, like

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about for months. Well you could do that,

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>which would also it's not Mason Miller in the bullpen,

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 1>but it would still be a pretty deep he's an

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>arm in that bullpen. Again, It's just we've had this

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.360
<v Speaker 1>conversation about Kirby. Things haven't changed that much with him

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 1>in five years. Same guy. He doesn't have the outpitch

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in the zone a lot. He has his great starts

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 1>and then he has the ones where you know, he

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.919
<v Speaker 1>gets hit around pretty hard.

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>And I totally like, that's totally right. I'm doing that fangrafts.

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Check here by the way of war totals.

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.440
<v Speaker 1>While you're doing that, I will say this, it's about

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the same.

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 2>It's the same on fangraphs. All right, Mason's a tenth ahead,

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>but it's the same.

0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I will say this about the Padres. They need starting pitching.

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean badly, not just this year, but beyond. Right now,

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:47.719
<v Speaker 1>their rotation goes as follows. It is Herman Marquez, Griffin Canning.

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Both those guys have era's over five, Randy Vasquez Era

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>at four to seven, Walker Buehler, who has not had

0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a good year. The only guy in their rotation that's

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>been good is Michael King, and he's a free agent

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the year. They need starter, they do.

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I would take more Mason Miller plus back for George Kirby.

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 2>They have more to offer.

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I take two relievers, Well, sure, morehone's a rental. You

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>want Miller and Morihone. That'd be great for Kirby.

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:18.479
<v Speaker 2>But that's what I would do.

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>That's not that's not happening.

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just have a problem trading a starting pitcher

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 2>for a reliever. I don't care how good the reliever is, Like,

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 2>look at look at how the Mariners manage their bullpen.

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Mason Miller is only pitching in the game with the

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.240
<v Speaker 2>lead in the ninth inning. Well, that's that's what they're

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna do.

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a problem because he needs a problem.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Because the Mirrors don't have the lead in the ninth

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>inning enough because they can't score runs well.

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's also a problem that Dan Wilson won't throw

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>your best relievers in the highest leverage situations. Now, maybe

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that's a Munyo's thing. Where Munyo's won't do that, Mason

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>would could be, We wouldn't know until he's on the team.

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Mason Miller does throw in different situations. He did that

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>against the Mariners this year. He threw in a high

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>leverage situation into the padres. Well, yeah, but what's the difference.

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a different manager making decisions on when his

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 2>pitchers are throwing.

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, part of me hopes that it's more of a

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Moodio's thing for why he won't throw in other situations

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 1>for this case, that Mason would.

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even saying I'm not open to trading George Kirby.

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 2>I am like I would trade George Kirby for bat.

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I would trade George Kirby for Trek Scubell because those

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.239
<v Speaker 2>two things make a lot more sense to me than

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.560
<v Speaker 2>trading for a reliever. While I would be down to

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>trade for Mason Miller, I don't think putting Mason Miller

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 2>in the bullpen and essentially handing Luis Castillo George Kirby

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>spot in the rotation gives you the net value you're

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 2>looking for to win games down the stretch this season,

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>because that's what you'd be doing.

0:29:56.880 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I would also at least encourage you a little

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>bit to think about what other seasons do for the

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>sake of Mason Miller in the sake of this rotation,

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>because by next year you'll have Kate Anderson.

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day. If Mason Miller, out

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 2>of all the trades that happen, is the trade that

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>gets the Mariners the best chance of winning the World Series,

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 2>then fine, fine. If there are other options out there,

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.479
<v Speaker 2>like trading a starter for a bat, I would do that.

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I would prioritize that above Mason Miller. Sure that would

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>give you better value.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean sure, but what bat? The controllable bats we

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>talked about the controllable bats we've talked about, aren't all

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>that intriguing. You got Casey Schmid out here who's walking

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>two percent of the time and is a fine player,

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 1>but that's not putting you over the top to win

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a World Series. We've talked about needle movers on this

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>trade market. We've constantly said there's one in Scooball now

0:30:55.680 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 1>that Mason Miller has been made available publicly. He is

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>a needle mover. Not like school because he doesn't throw

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>seven innings at night, he throws one. But he's a

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>needle mover, a legit like he is the best at

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>his position he has.

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I would trade prospects for him without a doubt. The

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Mariners have plenty of those. They want prospects. I'll give

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 2>him prospects. Yeah, all right, but if you were to

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 2>match it up, then you probably have to trade cater slone.

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But they won't last Michael Royal, yeah, and et cetera.

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I think i'd think about that.

0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Sure, the Mariners won't trade cater Sloan for Mason Miller,

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>by the way, No.

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. And we don't have to. We

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>don't have to talk about relievers all night. But yeah,

0:31:42.840 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad we see this differently. There is a situation

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>where I would trade for Mason Miller. Seems like there

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 2>are more situations where you would trade for Mason Miller.

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Games become eight innings. It's that simple.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, if they lead, if they lead, Yeah, all right, Now,

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>next question comes from Michael on Patreon. Michael's question is

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 2>what are some of the biggest flaws of this team

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 2>that we might have missed because of a sixty home

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>run season last year.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think church said it perfectly when he

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 1>was on with us before the start of the year.

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Jason Churchill, he thought they needed one to two additional

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>bats in the offseason that they didn't get. I think

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that's number one, And I think we just talked about

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>it in the last question. We said constantly ahead of

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the start of the year that they were a bullpen

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>arm short. I still believe they're a bullpen arm short,

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 1>especially with the way Munyez has had his struggles this year.

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>That's what's being exposed right now between the guys you

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>acquired that are not living up to their potential, with

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Donovan's injury, with how bad ref Snider has been paired

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>with just needing more depth in your lineup in general,

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and more depth than your bullpen in general. It's not

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>there without Col's production. You take that away and you

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>don't have the Refsnider product, and you don't have the

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Donovan production, all paired with the fact that you still

0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>probably needed an additional bat or two and a reliever,

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>like a leverage reliever. It's totally on display this year.

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's all lineup. It is all lineup. Listen

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 2>to these numbers of the difference between cal at this

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>point last year and worry is currently this year. At

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>this point last year, on July twenty third, cal Rally

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 2>had thirty nine home runs and eighty four RBIs. Like

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 2>the basic of basic stats. Forget all the WRC plus

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 2>and on base percentage. All that thirty nine home runs

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>eighty four RBIs those count on the scoreboard. This year,

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 2>cal Rally has ten home runs and thirty five RBIs.

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 2>That is, twenty nine less home runs and forty nine

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>less RBIs.

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to know where the.

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Mariners would rank if you added those numbers to the

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>Mariners current team total this year? So the Mariners currently

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>are twenty ninth in runs scored. If you added forty

0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>nine more runs to this team, they'd be twelve. Is

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>that a pretty sizeable jump?

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>I'd say yes. I think they'd be in first place

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>in the AOS right now with that.

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Huh interesting, they're currently fifteenth in home runs. If you

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>added twenty nine more home runs, the Mariners would be

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>in first in all of Major League Baseball and homers. Yeah,

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you'd have a top half offense, the best home run

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.320
<v Speaker 2>hitting offense in Major League Baseball, and a pitching staff

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 2>that at this point last year allowed fifty five for

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 2>I think fifty seven more runs than they have currently

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 2>allowed right now.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Now, the question becomes a col with somewhere in the middle,

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>ak what he's done in twenty twenty two, twenty three,

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 1>and twenty four, which is a typical very good cal

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.240
<v Speaker 1>rally year hits two fifteen to two twenty, hits, thirty

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>four homers, WRC plus is a round one twenty and

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 1>it is about a four win catcher. Take it somewhere

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 1>in the middle. So the Mariners go from twenty nine

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to twelfth. If it was a normal CAL season, they'd

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.720
<v Speaker 1>be roughly nineteenth in run scored and they'd be roughly

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>what eighth or ninth in home runs top ten, So

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you're still missing a bat or two, like Churchill said

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>at the start of the year, don't have enough bats.

0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>It's clear fair. But just to answer the question of like,

0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 2>what does sixty home runs cover up that?

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean it's it covered up a lot.

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>To answer that question, you just highlighted it perfectly. It

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>masks a lot of things.

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It makes your entire lineup looks looks significantly better than

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>it actually is because around the diamond, like you could

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 2>go spot to spot compare this year to last year

0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 2>with all these players. But just like, adding sixty home

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>run production to this lineup all of a sudden makes

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>this lineup look like a good lineup, a lineup that

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 2>people would say, yeah, that's pretty good. They actually they

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>do do enough that would be nice, but maybe they

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 2>will score enough. Yeah, but otherwise yeah, no, no. And

0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the difference between this year and last year is that

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 2>last year's team was less talented than this year's team is,

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>So you would have this kind of production with significantly

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:05.840
<v Speaker 2>worse players across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree.

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Next question comes from Alex on Patreon Alex's question is,

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 2>call me crazy, but since Canzona is playing so well,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.760
<v Speaker 2>you could put Canzona in the outfield and trade Randy

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and Luis Castillo away at this deadline? What do you

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 2>guys think?

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I get the Randy discourse, because again he

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.439
<v Speaker 1>drives people nuts with the way he often plays the game,

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>But objectively, I just don't know how doing that gets

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 1>you closer to the postseason. I don't think it does.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who would trade for the duo of

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:43.240
<v Speaker 2>them either, Like they're expensive, Like two months of Randy

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't net you back that much in all reality, like

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>you get more back by just letting Randy walk in

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 2>in the offseason. Sad, I don't really see it. Not

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:56.839
<v Speaker 2>only is a team not trading for Luis Castile, but

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 2>then it also just doesn't really make much sense to

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 2>let Randy Rose are gonna leave this team where he

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 2>is still your best bat. I also don't think I

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.160
<v Speaker 2>want Dom Canzone playing in the outfield every day. No,

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.359
<v Speaker 2>he he hits really well. But if you put can

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Zone out there as much as you put Randy out there,

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>like Canzone might not have some of the mental gaffes

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 2>that Randy does, and certain points, like that foul ball

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>in Tampa. But the range isn't good and just if

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you're expecting to see even average defense, you're gonna be

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>very disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, somebody would trade for Randy, but it

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't help the Mariners enough. You're not gonna get

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:35.959
<v Speaker 1>the return back you want.

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 2>It'd be a great Randy might be the top bat

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 2>on the trade market if he was available. Everyone wants

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:46.279
<v Speaker 2>a right handed bat. Right, Oh, Randy's available and only

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:47.959
<v Speaker 2>for two months. Don't have to pay him that much,

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>don't have to give up that much prospect. Oh yeah,

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna We're gonna go get.

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Him right And that's why the Mariners wouldn't do it,

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>because the return is not gonna be good enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon asks what would a selling move be like for

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<v Speaker 2>a starting pitcher? For example, would you trade George Kirby

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<v Speaker 2>to the Cubs or the Yankees for a prospect package?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it would essentially be if you traded George

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.479
<v Speaker 1>Kirby to the Cubs for Matt Shaw. Because Matt Shaw

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 1>is a third baseman He's a right handed hitting third baseman.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>He's young, and he has club control, but that's not

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 1>helping you win this season, not at all. Matt Shaw

0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>has been significantly worse than he was last year. And again,

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.120
<v Speaker 1>it's it's tring. It's trading proven talent off your roster

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>for a guy that's more of a project. Mm hmm.

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I think a selling move to me more looks like

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<v Speaker 2>trading George Kirby to the Brewers and getting multiple guys

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 2>back from their stacked system. The Milwaukee Brewers have one

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.280
<v Speaker 2>of the deepest farm systems in all of Major League Baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're trading them George Kirby and the reason

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 2>they would want George Kirby as them kind of like

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the Cubs, kind of like the Padres, and they have

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 2>mizz They have a couple of really good young guys,

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 2>but they don't have a lot of rotation depth, and

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>that would probably come back to bite them again in

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the postseason like it did last year. The Mariners having

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 2>George Kirby available to them would be very enticing. And

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 2>if the Mariners are selling, then they want prospects back,

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 2>and the Brewers have a ton of prospects I don't

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:30.959
<v Speaker 2>think the Brewers would trade Jesus Made, who's the number

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 2>one prospect in all of baseball right now, and their

0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>top prospect. But what about their second prospect in Louis

0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Payana for two and a half years of George Kirby.

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'd be asking for Louis Payana, and I'd

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.399
<v Speaker 2>be asking for at least a couple of their other

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 2>top one hundred prospects at minimum, maybe a young guy

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>off their big league ross as well. If they're getting

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:53.400
<v Speaker 2>an everyday starter in George Kirby.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I mean yeah, we can shut down any chance

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.399
<v Speaker 1>of Made getting traded. There's no shot the Brewers won't

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>move him. He's got the chance to be a true superstar.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:08.720
<v Speaker 1>So sure, Paynia at least By. Depends on what outlet

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>you want to use. If you use MLB pipeline. Payne

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:13.839
<v Speaker 1>is a top twenty prospect in baseball, but that would

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>absolutely be a selling move because while he might be

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>good in a couple of years, he is nineteen years

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>old and currently in high A. That is not a

0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 1>move that signals a team that is trying to go

0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>for it this year. It might help him down the road,

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 1>but it's not a twenty twenty six move, and I'll

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.279
<v Speaker 1>tell you what. For as good of a prospect as

0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Paenia might be, Oh, piss off a lot of fans.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 2>There's not many suitors for like a twenty twenty three

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 2>like kind of by kind of sell trade. If you're

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.839
<v Speaker 2>trading George Kirby, I would prefer you either go to

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>the extreme on the winning side or on the selling side.

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>I would I would not try and dance the middle

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>with one of your premiere trade pieces that you have

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:58.880
<v Speaker 2>on your roster. So no, Lyle, I'm not trading George

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Kirby for aid Toro two point zero. I'm not doing it.

0:42:02.640 --> 0:42:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I don't think so either. No, I also

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>don't think I don't know if Matt Shaw would love Seattle.

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll just leave it at that. Yeah.

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so either.

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No.

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Cheryl on Patreon asks do you think entering the season

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.800
<v Speaker 2>with multiplatoons led to a roster unable to handle the

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 2>regular bumps and bruises of a season.

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's there's data and analytics behind the idea

0:42:31.760 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 1>of platoons, right because you're trying to play to the

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>strength of each player, But they do cause problems because

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>you need everyday players. There's a reason there's not nine

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 1>platoons on every team, and we say we're okay with

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.359
<v Speaker 1>one platoon, but you don't want to be running out

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 1>to three four platoons on a roster. I don't think

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.359
<v Speaker 1>it's the overall reason. Again. I think the reason there's

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>been so many bumps and bruises this year is because

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>your two stars have not hit it well. Your three stars,

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.440
<v Speaker 1>your three highest paid players have not hit enough at all.

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Julio call Naylor. But relying on platoons overly and heavily

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 1>can cause the issues, and we've seen it cause some

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>issues this year. They put a lot of chips into

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Rob rev Snyder. They expected, with those six million bucks

0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>that they paid him to look not saving offense, but

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>really lengthen that lineup against left handed pitching. Because the

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:29.240
<v Speaker 1>man by the numbers has been Aaron Judge like against

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>left handed pitching before coming to Seattle. That's not even

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>an exaggeration. Those are the type of numbers he would

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 1>put up against lefties, and instead he's been borderline the

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:38.760
<v Speaker 1>worst hitter in Major League Baseball.

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>The biggest downside of platoons is consistency. For the players

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 2>because they don't get to play every day, and sometimes

0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.839
<v Speaker 2>that will affect a team more than others. Where some

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>platoons handle it great, some platoons don't handle it great.

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 2>The Mariners platoon situation this year is kind of we've

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>been so down on Rob Refsnyder, but Can Zone has

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 2>also been so good, so hasn't that kind of like

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>balanced out Whether they kind of combine. If you combine

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the two of them together, you spit out like slightly

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 2>below Seth Smith offensive production.

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean so, then in that case you just kind

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 2>of have like a mid baseball player, which is not

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not Rob Refsneiner. It's not great, But I don't

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>think like a mid net baseball player is the reason

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't survive like the bumps and bruises of the season.

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:31.399
<v Speaker 2>I would argue that for specifically bumps and bruises, that

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 2>having guys playing too much would cause that and they

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 2>would tie her down. And some guys just aren't built

0:44:37.680 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 2>to play every day. There's the Freddie Freeman's and the

0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Matt Olsens, and in this case for the Mariners, Cole Young,

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 2>who can play every single day without much of a

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>downturn in their production, but not every guy can do that.

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Some guys really tire out, especially catchers for example. So

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:55.240
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of how I read that question.

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean again, I think it comes down to

0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact your stars aren't hitting is why you've s

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>seen so many bumps and bruises, because when the middle

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>of your order isn't putting up middle of the order

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>production on a team that was expected to be a

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 1>World Series contender, it exposes everything else. There is no

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>hiding what Rob Refsneider has done offensively this year, because

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:16.799
<v Speaker 1>it's been awful. There's no other way to put it.

0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 1>But it probably wouldn't be as big of a story

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 1>if cal Julio and Naylor were all playing to the

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 1>back of their baseball card and the Mariners had a

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.399
<v Speaker 1>six game lead in the aos right now.

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Next question comes from Cameron on Patreon. Cameron's question is,

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:36.239
<v Speaker 2>hopefully this isn't a ridiculous question, but should we bring

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:38.919
<v Speaker 2>back Ty France, right handed bat that is hitting well.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Certainly a nice idea, and yes, has typ Frans had

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a great year he has? Would fans be absolutely over

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the moon to get him back? I'm sure. I just

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>don't really know where he play because you have a

0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>first baseman locked up on a five year deal in

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Josh Naylor, and then you've had such a rotating cast

0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 1>of players. I mean, if you trade Luke Rayley back

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 1>to the Padres for France and part of the package,

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe it works itself out a little bit where Canzone

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>plays a little a little more outfield and on day's

0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:15.840
<v Speaker 1>where he DH's, ty would just come off the bench

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 1>or Naylor gets a day off. But the way the

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>current roster structured, it would just be hard to maneuver,

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.880
<v Speaker 1>especially when cal Ney DHJS as a catcher.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Man. It'd be a tough fit. Which goes back to

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>our conversation at the beginning of this podcast of like,

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:36.000
<v Speaker 2>do the Maritters move on from someone out of convenience

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 2>of just creating space available space.

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:39.920
<v Speaker 1>On this roster.

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd like ty France back, but I just don't

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 2>know where he plays. Yeah, I don't know for the

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 2>trade package you'd have to give up for ty France.

0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>How much control does he have?

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, he's a free agent at the end of

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the year.

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, all right, never mind, So then that's not

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 2>as much of an issue. I think if they had space,

0:46:59.360 --> 0:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd say.

0:46:59.800 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah. I mean, for those who haven't checked his

0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 1>numbers this year, he is just mashed. I mean he's

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 1>got an eight seventy one ops for the year. He's

0:47:09.800 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>ops plus ing one thirty eight and against lefties he

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>is opsing nine to twenty six.

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Good for him, he's gonna get a good payday and

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 2>free agency. I'm happy for him.

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm too.

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just think about how it looked a couple

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 2>of years ago and you got DF eight. He's been bounced.

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>He bounced around to what three or four different teams

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 2>since then.

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 1>He's been with since dfa' by the Mariners, Reds, Twin Wins,

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Blue Jays, now the Padres, and he's really figured it

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:40.320
<v Speaker 1>out again, which is pretty cool. I mean, who doesn't

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>like ty France. He's a man exactly.

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's question is

0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 2>uh asking me TJ. You mentioned the mccullors trade was

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 2>a blueprint for trading castillo, but the situation is totally different.

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Can you explain your thinking a little bit? Yes, I can.

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>My point with the mccullor's trade was to just dispel

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:09.360
<v Speaker 2>the notion that Louis Castillo is not untradable. Mccullors and

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>theories should have been untradable. He had a big contract,

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 2>he had been significantly worse than Louis Castillo, and he

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 2>had been hurt for a long time before this. You

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 2>would think someone like that would be untradeable, but he

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 2>got traded, so you might not get the package back

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you want for Louis Castillo, but he is tradable for

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the right price.

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>If you look at guys in the range of the

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:40.399
<v Speaker 1>salary Louis Castillo's making for this year. Because Alex also

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 1>mentioned that in his question, like the second part was

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>compared to the other veterans starters in his salary range,

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>is Castillo actually one of the more attractive trade targets

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>if Seattle retained some of the salary. You know who

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the very next guy is in terms of twenty twenty

0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 1>six aav below Louis Castillo.

0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Let me guess, is it Kevin Gosman.

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:04.960
<v Speaker 1>It is Kevin Gosman, who is who is on the

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 1>trade market, publicly available and also has less control than

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Luis Castillo, so teams would have to give up less

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>to get him. Kevin Gosman similar to Castillo has not

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>had his best year. He's got a four point fifty

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 1>one ERA. Now, if you look at something like his

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>FIP under the hood, it's at three six eight. So

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 1>he's been a little bit better in terms of the expecteds,

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and maybe a team believes that he's gonna regrets back

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>up to the mean as the season goes along. And

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 1>if you look month by month for Gosman, I mean,

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:38.919
<v Speaker 1>so this is where the totem pole swings back because

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.360
<v Speaker 1>he started the year really well. June and July have

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:45.919
<v Speaker 1>not been good. You're a team, would you rather trade

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>for Gosman or Castillo? Gosman makes a million and a

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.600
<v Speaker 1>half less and also has less control.

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I would trade for Gosman because it gives you more flexibility.

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 2>And Luis Castillo has that vesting option where if you're

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna put Louis Castillo in the rotation the year after

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 2>you trade for him, there's a risk he hits one

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty innings and then you're on the hook

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.520
<v Speaker 2>for another twenty million dollar season after that, a year older.

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, So I think that teams would look at exactly

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that and say the safer option is to just trade

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 1>for Gosman. So if there's a team out there that

0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:21.720
<v Speaker 1>wants to take on an expensive starter this year, feels

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>like they look at Gosman before Castillo.

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree, but he's not untradable. The Maritors are

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 2>willing to take nothing back for Luis Castile, and someone

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:33.919
<v Speaker 2>will trade for him. Mm hmm, Like that's for sure, right, Kate.

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 2>As a question on Pagereon, if you look at Joshneler's

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.560
<v Speaker 2>underlying metrics and his average with nobody on base compared

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:44.359
<v Speaker 2>to with runners on it's a significant increase in a

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 2>positive direction when he's table setting. How do you guys

0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:50.399
<v Speaker 2>feel about Naylor being the leadoff hitter?

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's funny because you think about a guy that,

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>by the numbers, as he points out, hits well with

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 1>nobody else base and then steals bases. Doesn't feel like

0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 1>he should be stealing bases, but he does do some

0:51:06.400 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 1>things that a leadoff hitter does. But I don't know

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:13.239
<v Speaker 1>if Naylor's overall hit well enough for the year to

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 1>warrant being in a leadoff spot. Josh Naylor points over

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the last even week has been down hitting what's sixth

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:24.440
<v Speaker 1>because he's not hitting third or fourth. HeSE he's content

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 1>he's consistently been moved down the lineup because he hasn't

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 1>hit enough. I don't know if you can really justify

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:31.799
<v Speaker 1>him hitting lead off and.

0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 2>He only gets one guaranteed at bat every game with

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.959
<v Speaker 2>no one on base. Otherwise it's the same as everyone else. Yeah,

0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that part's that much different. I also

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 2>think the numbers lie a little bit. So he Kate's

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>mentioning the average, and he's right. The average is significantly

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 2>different between bases empty and runners on base is empty.

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Josh Nayler's hitting two ninety three, runners on base he's

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 2>hitting two seventeen. I would tell you those pretty massive,

0:51:56.320 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 2>massive difference. Yeah, Josh Nayeler's WRC plus with the with

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:04.000
<v Speaker 2>runners on as ninety four. With the bases empty, it's

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 2>only one oh three. Yeah, it's not that different, right,

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:11.720
<v Speaker 2>He's just he doesn't slug at all, and he doesn't

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 2>walk by the way when there's nobody on, which is

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:15.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of what you want your leadoff hitter to do

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 2>with no one on. He's got a four and a

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:19.719
<v Speaker 2>half percent walk rate with runners on, he has an

0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>eleven percent walk rate.

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't think it. I don't think he'll

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:30.359
<v Speaker 1>justifies it in the Mariners in the month of July too.

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 1>It means, like you said, talk about a power outage. Man,

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.919
<v Speaker 1>he has got two extra base hits all month. He's

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 1>opsing six forty five.

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>The Mariners are currently getting a better on base percentage

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and ops out of their leadoff spot than when Josh

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Naylor does with the base is empty. Yeah, I don't

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:50.439
<v Speaker 2>think that would be the upgrade, KDE that you would

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:54.440
<v Speaker 2>be looking for. If it's somehow magically got Josh Naylor

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.480
<v Speaker 2>to be Josh Naylor of last season, then I think

0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Law and I would be more interested in that. But

0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:01.279
<v Speaker 2>there's right now nothing to see just that would be

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the case. No, Well, Nick on Patreon has quite the

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:10.840
<v Speaker 2>trade proposal. He asks, guys, how about this trade proposal?

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Dan Wilson goes back to the Reds for a handful

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:19.360
<v Speaker 2>of double played donut parfas from Great American Ballpark.

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 1>How go to the par fays?

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, Nick gave us a bit of a review. He says,

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I was at a Reds game earlier this summer and

0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 2>the thing was amazing. Even though it says serves three

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>to four, I ate the whole thing myself and it

0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 2>definitely brought me more joy than any managerial decision. Dan

0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Wilson has ever made twelve many donuts layered with whipped

0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>cream and cinnamon toast crunch, crunch, et cetera.

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Unreal. Oh that does sound pretty good. Wow, Well, how.

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Many years does Dan I have left on his contract? Ye?

0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:58.359
<v Speaker 1>See, they don't make these things public. I'm assuming one

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.600
<v Speaker 1>more after this year. A lot of man deals for

0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 1>three years. But wow, so do you those things do

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:04.919
<v Speaker 1>sound good?

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you want eight more months of Dan Wilson managing

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the Seattle Mariners or do you want twelve mini donuts

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>with whipped cream and cinnamon toast crunch.

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:16.919
<v Speaker 1>Hmm. Let us know in the comments below what you think.

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 2>That's that's quite a quite a proposal. Thank you for

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:25.800
<v Speaker 2>the question. Nick uh David on Patreon asks, in your opinion,

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:27.839
<v Speaker 2>does Cole Young deserve to be hitting at the top

0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 2>of the lineup? Not necessarily lead off, but three spot

0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 2>or maybe cleanup?

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Does Cole Young really have the profile to be hitting third?

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:38.920
<v Speaker 1>That feels a little much, doesn't it? An overall for

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:41.799
<v Speaker 1>the year, Well, he's been good. You're only talking about

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>a one oh one ops plus most of Cole Young's value.

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I should say a lot of Cole Young's value for

0:54:48.160 --> 0:54:51.479
<v Speaker 1>the year has been through the defensive side of the ball.

0:54:52.440 --> 0:54:55.520
<v Speaker 1>He's not hitting great in the month of July. I mean,

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:57.399
<v Speaker 1>he's been had a bit of a down month this month.

0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I think you can put him

0:55:01.200 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>wherever you want in my mind, but I don't know

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:05.359
<v Speaker 1>about hitting him third. I don't think he does enough

0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 1>damage for that.

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 2>He should stay at the bottom of the lineup. His yeah,

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:14.359
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned is July being down. I mean he's got

0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.640
<v Speaker 2>a two seventeen on base percentage in July. I think

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 2>him hitting at the bottom of the lineup is perfectly fine.

0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.239
<v Speaker 2>The rest of the lineup has not hit very well.

0:55:22.280 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 2>There's not many good cases to hit in the middle

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 2>of this lineup. I don't think that guy is Cole Young.

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I think the best spot for Cole Young at

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the top of the lineup eventually, when he figures it

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:35.160
<v Speaker 2>out offensively over the course of a full season at

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the big league level, might be leadoff because he'll make

0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 2>some contact and he'll hopefully draw his walks maybe ten

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.440
<v Speaker 2>to eleven percent of the time, and he'd be on

0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>base for the Mariners that maybe a three to fifty

0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 2>on base percentage, but right now, no, I don't think

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:50.640
<v Speaker 2>there's anything to suggest that.

0:55:51.040 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>I think he's a perfect nine hitter. I really do.

0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, long term, I feel like leadoff

0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.760
<v Speaker 1>might be more colt spot than Coal's when Colt figures

0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>it out. Not this year, but like long term.

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Colt might be hitting second.

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe that's true too. Col could hit second.

0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:10.399
<v Speaker 2>If Colt is more of the pure hitter than Cole

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Young is. But I guess we'll see. They have plenty

0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:15.719
<v Speaker 2>of time to prove that to us. Speaking of Colt Emerson,

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Dave on Patreon asks, when Brendan Donovan returns from the

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>injured list, should the Mariner send Cole Emerson down to

0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Tacoma to get his back going.

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:28.880
<v Speaker 1>No. I just don't know what that does, what Colt

0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Emerson needs to work on or things that he has

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:34.399
<v Speaker 1>to fix in the major leagues. I don't think there's

0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 1>much more he can do. In a PCL where pitchers

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>are just about as bad as ever down there and

0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:43.680
<v Speaker 1>they don't throw a ton of strikes and they're out

0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:46.000
<v Speaker 1>of the zone, I don't think it does that much

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 1>good for him at this point, now that he's been

0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:49.840
<v Speaker 1>up and played two months in the big leagues, I

0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 1>think for where Colt Emerson's at, he's just got to

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.200
<v Speaker 1>grow from this. He's just got to learn from this.

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 1>He's just got to evolve from this. And I don't

0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.640
<v Speaker 1>think him going back down to Triple A is gonna

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 1>help him do much of that.

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.759
<v Speaker 2>Everything he just said is true. I do think if

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 2>the Mariners have Leo Revoss down there from last year,

0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 2>they would send him down because at some point you

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.520
<v Speaker 2>put you got to prioritize the games at the big

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:21.280
<v Speaker 2>league level over development. The problem is Leo Revos, according

0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 2>to Ryan Davish, has vertigo, I think, and he's not

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:27.240
<v Speaker 2>even playing, So the Mariners don't really have a shortstop

0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 2>replacement Intocoma for Cole Emerson even if they wanted to.

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>That means he should stay right up here, and the

0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Mariners are just gonna have to accept while he is

0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:41.200
<v Speaker 2>figuring things out at the plate, that his lineup spot

0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>is gonna be tough for a while. I mean it.

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 2>In July he has a WRC plus of negative twenty nine.

0:57:47.600 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 2>It's been really bad. Yeah, so he's gonna have some

0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff to figure out and the Mariners just don't have

0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>many more options. And no, JP Crawford back at shortstop

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the way he's heetting is not an option. No, No,

0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess you're gonna have a below average offensive player

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:02.919
<v Speaker 2>at shortstop. Just have it be Colt.

0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just gotta let him build through this. Unfortunately.

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I know it's frustrating, but I just don't think he

0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>gets that much from going back to Tacoma.

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:16.080
<v Speaker 2>No, all right, we got one last question. This is

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:19.760
<v Speaker 2>from Ryan on Patreon. Ryan's question is is it possible

0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 2>that Kirby was capped at eighty pitches on Monday because

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.960
<v Speaker 2>there is some kind of preliminary trade in the works

0:58:25.240 --> 0:58:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're trying to protect his arm ahead of finalizing

0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:28.320
<v Speaker 2>the trade.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's funny. I was talking to my dad about

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<v Speaker 1>this before we even got the question. My dad brought

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<v Speaker 1>it up and he said, the two of you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>Kirby's lack of success the third time through the order

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<v Speaker 1>a lot we do. It's very true, George Kirby is

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<v Speaker 1>not pitch well the third time through the order for

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his career, so he threw out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they pulled him for the idea of

0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 1>keep his line clean, and it helps just a little

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:58.880
<v Speaker 1>bit his market while trying to deal him around to

0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>other teams if he's shopped around on the trade market.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that idea, paired with what Ryan's saying right

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<v Speaker 1>here about keeping his arm fresh and keeping him healthy possible. Yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, we don't have sourced information behind this one

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<v Speaker 1>way or the other. I still believe that if the

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Mariners were trying to do everything possible to win that

0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 1>game on Monday, that despite winning it, George Kirby should

0:59:24.360 --> 0:59:27.240
<v Speaker 1>have kept pitching. Because if it's between Kirby the third

0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>time through and your absolute like low leverage bullpen arms,

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:34.480
<v Speaker 1>you go with Kirby, who's throwing really well through eighty pitches.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're trying to maximize his trade value and

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<v Speaker 1>you want to make sure he's one healthy and two

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<v Speaker 1>not getting crushed the third time through, it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>craziest thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's crazy. Other I think it's totally

0:59:50.120 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 2>a totally reasonable explanation for that. And for me, it's

0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.080
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent about keeping him healthy, less so about

0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 2>a cra I don't know if the other team would

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<v Speaker 2>care that much about his era on the Mariners. They

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<v Speaker 2>know who he is, they know what his stuff is like.

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<v Speaker 2>They do care that he's healthy and that he has

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<v Speaker 2>enough bullets for them at the trade deadline. It would

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<v Speaker 2>be kind of early, though, because that happened on what

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<v Speaker 2>is it, Friday?

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<v Speaker 1>If it happens again its Monday, no, yeah, But if

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<v Speaker 1>it happens again in his next turn through the rotation,

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be telling.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm, now, that would be that would be kind of telling.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's keep an eye out for that. George Kirby

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<v Speaker 2>makes his start on the road, how many pitches does

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<v Speaker 2>he throw? Because it is that kind of It is

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<v Speaker 2>that time of year and all these reports out that

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners are shopping around their starting pitchers. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>say it's more likely than not that one of them

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<v Speaker 2>gets traded, but this is certainly as much noise as

1:00:45.440 --> 1:00:48.080
<v Speaker 2>we've heard about them ever trading a starting pitcher at

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<v Speaker 2>this deadline. Since this group's come together, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've floated a ton of ideas out there. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>usually not substantiated from other sources. But now we have

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<v Speaker 2>multiple big Nash store reporters talking about the Mariners trading

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<v Speaker 2>as starting pitcher, and it just makes too much sense

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<v Speaker 2>at this point with everything they've done with this rotation

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<v Speaker 2>this year, with the six man rotation, that they're not

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<v Speaker 2>actively trying to trade one of them away to make

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<v Speaker 2>their team better.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the only thing that really makes sense. I think. Well,

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