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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff Three and Out podcast.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening on Friday, we're forty eight hours away.

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Speaker 1: As Pete Carroll would say, the day before, the day before,

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Speaker 1: day before. And if it's Saturday, it's the day before.

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Speaker 1: And if it's Sunday, it's Super Sunday. You know, which

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Speaker 1: kind of sucks. I mean, it's awesome but also sneaky

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Speaker 1: shitty because that means football is over. But it's also

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Speaker 1: positive because luckily with me, I love the combine, I

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Speaker 1: love the free agency, I love the draft. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'll talk storylines and O T A S, take a

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Speaker 1: little break in the summer maybe, and then hit the

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Speaker 1: get back on the horse, you know, around late July,

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Speaker 1: So the good thing about the NFL all as it

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Speaker 1: never stops. But for as great as Super Bowl Sunday is,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna dive into this game because on just

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Speaker 1: on paper, this this game is pretty damn good. But

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Speaker 1: I I think it also does symbolize the seasons over

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Speaker 1: which sucks. You know, not to get sentimental here, but

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Speaker 1: it's kind of sad. You know, we gotta wait a

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Speaker 1: decent amount of time for another game. Uh, but we'll

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Speaker 1: dive into the super Bowl. You know this, Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: I think it's definitely possible to combine band a top

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Speaker 1: twenty player in Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State because he

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Speaker 1: have some thoughts on that. Jason Garrett did not get

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Speaker 1: a contract extension. He is going into coach in his

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Speaker 1: last season with no with just one year remaining, you know,

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Speaker 1: as they say in the business, a lame duck coach.

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Speaker 1: Some thoughts on that, and then we know we'll get

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Speaker 1: into the Middlecoff mail bag. I do it at the

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Speaker 1: end of the show for those that haven't been listening,

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Speaker 1: for those that have, appreciate you, appreciate keep you guys,

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Speaker 1: keep listening and tell your friends, subscribe, rate, review, all

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Speaker 1: and I'll answer your questions about football on the show.

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Speaker 1: All my social media's Twitter, uh, Instagram is just my

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Speaker 1: Uff easiest, I always say easiest way to get a

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Speaker 1: hold of me. But on paper, this game is awesome.

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Speaker 1: There's just no disputing that you have the modern day

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Speaker 1: Walsh and Brady or excuse me, walshon Montana in Belichick

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Speaker 1: those guys are on steroids version of walshon Montana. Walshon

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Speaker 1: Brady has has five. He's five and three. Guess what's

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Speaker 1: four and three, that's better than four. No? Why because

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Speaker 1: that means you got to seven super Bowls. This Brady's night.

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Speaker 1: So whether he wins or loses, his legacy is established.

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Speaker 1: He's the goat. Getting the nine super Bowls is exponentially

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Speaker 1: better than getting to four, even if you win them

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Speaker 1: all plus Brady is just one more. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Belichick is Walsh on steroids. Love Bill Walsh, but Bill

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Speaker 1: ever get phased by stress? He's like not human. So again,

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Speaker 1: we are watching Walsh Montana on steroids meets p d S.

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Speaker 1: They're basically the Barry Bonds of what that is what

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Speaker 1: we're watching right now. Now you could make some funny

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Speaker 1: jokes about cheating or whatever. Listen, everyone was taping signs

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Speaker 1: they were not alone. So I've never held him out.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out Ryan Grigson turning them in for

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Speaker 1: history of that one. Here's the other thing, Sean McVeigh

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Speaker 1: He just he'd be Hollywood. I almost said, like I

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Speaker 1: what's crazy is the NFL. Like most leagues baseball, basketball, football,

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Speaker 1: But to me, the Rams will feel like, God, are

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Speaker 1: this is one of the better Super Bowls on paper,

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Speaker 1: But just on paper, this truly feels like Damn, you

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Speaker 1: he's made thirty million dollars. He was a millionaire before that.

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Speaker 1: He also played in the NFL for a while so

425
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett could feed his family. The Jason Garrett will

426
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Speaker 1: not get a contract extension. He will coach this year

427
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: as a lame duck coach. I've always found it fascinating,

428
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Speaker 1: especially recently, with how much players make, especially in the NFL.

429
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: So many players are definitely like year to year regardless

430
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Speaker 1: how much they make because of the contract structure. Why

431
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: teams are so into given guys extensions just to have Like, well,

432
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: he's going into his lame duck year. We we think

433
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: we might fire him after this year if he doesn't

434
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Speaker 1: make a legit run. But we just have to get

435
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: him an extension for optics, So the players not I

436
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: don't even think the players care. Like Jerry Jones is

437
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: right doing this, and Jason Garrett, I don't blame him.

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00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: Like most of America, we're at will employees like I.

439
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: I deal with ad agencies or whatever. They can yank

440
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: an ad plan anytime they want. Most of you can

441
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: get fired and maybe you get like two weeks pay.

442
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: But you're not like contract workers, like we feel bad like,

443
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: how did he not? How how are they gonna make him? Now,

444
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: No one's really saying this because Jason Garrett. But we've

445
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: said it before, like you can't make him a lame

446
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: duck coach. Why not? Players do it all the time.

447
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: If you win, you'll get a contract. You've done it before.

448
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't really think that's that big of a deal.

449
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: I never understand. You see it in college football, you

450
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: see it in the NFL to Marvin lou It happened

451
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: to Marvin Lewis last year. Now with Marvin, you know,

452
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals were so terrible, so kind of giving him

453
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: like a golden parachute. I get it. But with Jason,

454
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: if you're Jason, you're not signing another six million dollar contract.

455
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: The going right, I've been in the playoffs a couple

456
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Speaker 1: of times, is like, hell, you know, look how shitty

457
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: Gruden is and he's making ten So if you're Jason, like,

458
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Speaker 1: I'm only signed a ten year contract, or excuse me,

459
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Speaker 1: a ten million dollar contract. And if you're Jerry, like,

460
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not paying you ten million dollars. You win, and

461
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: Jason's like, well maybe I have a team to win.

462
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Speaker 1: I'm just sho this more coaches don't play it out,

463
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: and especially because they've made so much money. It's not

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Speaker 1: like I think a lot of us when we get

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Speaker 1: into these situations. If you ever get to you know,

466
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Speaker 1: in an industry where you do sign contracts, you're looking

467
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Speaker 1: for security because there's a big difference if you're only

468
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Speaker 1: making you know, a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So

469
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Speaker 1: if you're signing I'll just use an example like a

470
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Speaker 1: radio contract. If I'm gonna sign a radio contract, I

471
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Speaker 1: really fight for that second year. If I'm making two

472
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Speaker 1: grand a year, well it's a big if you're making

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Speaker 1: six million a year. Like That's the thing about coaches.

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett saw every penny whether he was gonna get

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Speaker 1: fired two years ago or coach the whole thing out

476
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Speaker 1: of that thirty million dollars. That's why I never had

477
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Speaker 1: that much compassion for head coaches when they get fired,

478
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: because typically they deserve it. One two uh, because if

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00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: you win, you don't get fired unless you're Malarty shot

480
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 1: in Himer with a J Smith. But they're also especially

481
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: in this day and age, there's so compensated that there's

482
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: they're the richest. I mean, do you know the percent

483
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: of like rich business owners rich buses. That makes six

484
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: million dollars in salary. It's one thing to like have

485
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: all your expenses interwoven into your business. It's another six

486
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: million salary and he's got no liability and it's guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: So I I really don't think it's that big of

488
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Speaker 1: a story, but you know it is a story. But

489
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, so what I mean, Jerry's doing the

490
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: right thing. Go prove it. Jason's done it before and

491
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: it worked. I think the best case scenario for the

492
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Speaker 1: Cowboys this year is obviously win the Super Bowl, but

493
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Speaker 1: Jason out coaches some guys in the NFC, like, just

494
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: making the playoffs to me probably get them fired. Now.

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00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: The interesting wrinkle here is Kellen Moore's years old. What

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Speaker 1: if they lose in like the first round of the

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Speaker 1: playoffs but have just an incredible season on offense. Is

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore the next Sean McVeigh. Kyle Shanahan the next

499
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: young kind of superstar coach played for Chris Peterson. His

500
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: dad was a high school coach. He's basically like a

501
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: coach on the field. As a player, he was good

502
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: enough somehow to play five years in the NFL despite

503
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: not being able to throw it twenty five yards. So

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00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy to keep an eye on

505
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: and probably to me. For Jason to get a big extension,

506
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: probably would have to make the super Bowl. If he

507
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Speaker 1: doesn't make the super Bowl, maybe if he lose, like

508
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: a walk off field goal in the NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 1: It kind of feels like this is gonna be Jason

510
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: Garretts last year, and that's the right move by Jerry.

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00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,479
Speaker 1: Make him prove it to you. You know, I know

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Speaker 1: you love him. I know you're personally invested in the

513
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: human you've known him forever, but you've also paid him

514
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Speaker 1: for his services, like this couple of times he's made

515
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You paid him for those years six million.

516
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: Now is he a little undermarket value? Probably, But part

517
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: of getting him the market value would be to give

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Speaker 1: him an extension. And I don't know if I'm ready

519
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Speaker 1: to do that yet. So I I think Jerry should

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00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: start kind of a new trend, less and less like,

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00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: if you don't think the guy's the guy and he

522
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: hasn't won a super Bowl, you don't need to give

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00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: out hollow contract extensions. Make the guy coach out the season. Okay,

524
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: let's end it with this, keep it a little shorter

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Speaker 1: this week. I know we're all getting ready for the

526
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and uh, let's bang out some Middlecoff mail bag.

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Speaker 1: Mail bag questions slid up into my d M s

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff on Instaff and I'll answer. Okay, longtime listener,

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Speaker 1: can you give me some honest feedback on why the

530
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: forty Niners drove hard by? Out of town reports still

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Speaker 1: just generalized the relationship between York and Bulky. With Jim

532
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: as a forty Niner fan from conquered California, my neighbor,

533
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: my buddies, and I still asked the question why they

534
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: didn't keep Harbor. I've never got like a concrete answer.

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Speaker 1: I think it is for the most part, we kind

536
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: of know it's legitimately just egos in fighting hardball. Balky

537
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: did not get along. Harbaugh did not treat Jed kind

538
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: of like you should treat an owner when you're trying

539
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: to get a contract extension. The Niners did think he

540
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: was a little overrated. I think every story that's been

541
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: written there's pieces of it that are true. I don't

542
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: know if there's just a black and white answer. Uh.

543
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: This sounds crazy now, but at the time, I think

544
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: that they thought that Jim tom Seula could be better.

545
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: I think they thought, no, I know, they thought that

546
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: Jim tom Seula could be an upgrade over Jim Harbaugh.

547
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: Now that was proven to not just be wrong, but

548
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: to be set the franchise back. But you know, ego

549
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 1: and in fighting. I think that leads the majority of

550
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: relationships ending in the NFL between coaches and general managers.

551
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Them just fundamentally not getting along, Egos getting in the way,

552
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: people not being able to work together. Probably happens in

553
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: any office, right, but any businesses that that is this public,

554
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: when you're making that much money, when you then win

555
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: and then you lose in even the Niners, I mean lose.

556
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: They went eight and eight in Harbo's last year, so

557
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: the worst season they had was eight and eight. Do

558
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: you know what they sign up for? Eight night? I mean,

559
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: they just coached the Senior Bowl, So I think they

560
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: learned a lesson that you gotta deal with a coach

561
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: that's a little different. It's tough, and I think they're

562
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Kyle is different because he's younger, but I don't think

563
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: he's the easiest guy. To deal with on a day

564
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: to day and you know he's opinionated. Uh, he's got

565
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: some and I don't say this in a mean way,

566
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: but like a dick, you know. And all coaches are

567
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: to to ah to a point in the sense that

568
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: they don't sleep that much. They're just on edge. They're

569
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: just you know, they don't treat you like your mom

570
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: does when you're sick when you're ten years old. That's

571
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: they're not warm and cuddly, you know. Pete Carroll, you know,

572
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Speaker 1: it's probably a rare guy. Even Andy Reid. I've been

573
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: around him, you know, a lot, and you know, it's

574
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: he's a phenomenal human and get mad, you know. I mean,

575
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a high pressure job. So coaches

576
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: can just they're just on edge. I mean, I just

577
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: really think it's that simple. So I think hopefully they've

578
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: learned from that. And uh, it's just a crazy situation.

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Speaker 1: You usually just I don't know if we'll ever quite

580
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: We really hadn't seen one, probably since Marty Schottenheimer and A. J.

581
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: Smith and then probably going back to Jimmy Johnson. Now,

582
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson was different because he's won super Bowls, but

583
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: it's not the first time, and it sure certainly won't

584
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: be the last time. I remember reading articles and hearing

585
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: Colin discussed a few years back the veteran NFL coaches

586
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: hated seeing Pete Carroll succeed in Seattle, coming out of

587
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: college and winning a Super Bowl in a relatively quick turnaround. Obviously,

588
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson played a big part. It got me wondering,

589
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: do you think veteran NFL coaches and personnel scoffed at

590
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: seeing Cliff Kingsbury get the head coaching job in Arizona?

591
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: Is something they discussed amongst each other. Does it put

592
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: any kind of target on Kingsbury's back? A good question,

593
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: Just wondering if it bothers guys in the league. I

594
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: think anytime guys in any business right get passed up

595
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: for people that they think didn't put in the time

596
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: or didn't take the proper route. Uh, there's jel I

597
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: think it's jealousy. Now. I think a lot of people

598
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: are gonna be jealous as they were Pete Carroll, as

599
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: they were with Sean McVeigh, as they were with Kyle Shanahan,

600
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: as they will with Cliff Kingsbury, as they will with

601
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur and all these hires are not gonna work.

602
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: But just because you have a job and your assistant coach,

603
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: that does not mean that you ever deserve the opportunity

604
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: to become a head coach. You don't deserve anything in life,

605
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and in in a job like the NFL. Do you

606
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: know what what matters? Like? You do have to sell

607
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit, like dealing with the media has

608
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: never been more important. Obviously winning matters the most, but

609
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: you've gotta be able to deal with the media. So

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00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: you better have an agent that kind of props you up,

611
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: and then you better produce. You know, people better respect

612
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: you in the league. But you can't go to an

613
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: interview and kind of bumble your way around and expect

614
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: to get hired in the in this you know, kind

615
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: of landscape of the league. And I think that's what

616
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: help held Vic Fangio back. Now, the difference is Vic's

617
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: work was so good for so long, he was bound

618
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity sooner than later. But I think

619
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Speaker 1: he's a good example that kind of looks down. I

620
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: don't want to use Vic personally because I'm not I

621
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know him, but I'm just saying that type guy

622
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: that gets in their sixties that never gets a chance.

623
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Speaker 1: Like usually, like in anything in life, it falls on

624
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: the person. Now, there are probably things going against you,

625
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, maybe your personality. There's somewhat of a perception

626
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: that can just be wrong on guys. But for the

627
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: most part, think about this in life perception of someone

628
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: that you've heard about in a potential business deal, you know,

629
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Speaker 1: your wife's friend, whatever, just anyone that you've ever heard

630
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: information about. Let's say it's negative. How often is that

631
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: perception wrong. I'd say a smaller percentage, is it safe

632
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: to say? Like, for the most part, you're like, oh,

633
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: I can see where she said this about him. I

634
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: can see where Bill told me not to deal with

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Speaker 1: this guy. It's usually what happens, and it usually happens

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Speaker 1: with coaches. Now, I'm not saying again that I don't

637
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Speaker 1: like the la fleur higher. Uh. You know, people wouldn't

638
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: hire Arians and Zimmer forever. But you know what's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Two thing about those two guys that are clearly really

640
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Speaker 1: rough around the edges, they are really really good football coaches.

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Speaker 1: They are elite at their job. I mean, Arians is

642
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: an all time great play color. Zimmer is probably the

643
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: second best defensive mind in the league beside Belichick. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just they were so good at their

645
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: job that they've been good. They also benefited arians benefited

646
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Speaker 1: from just kind of a the perfect combination of the

647
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: GM drafting a bunch of good players, same with Zimmer

648
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: doesn't draft the players in Minnesota. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: I think it's a tough question, and I think there's

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Speaker 1: I think it's more jealousy. I think there's a lot

651
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: of jealousy. But all these coaches have agents now, so

652
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: the agents run the hiring process. So if you if

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Speaker 1: you're a coach, an assistant coach, making two million dollars

654
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Speaker 1: in your coordinator and you're not getting any interviews, you're

655
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Speaker 1: you're paying your agent three of that two million dollars.

656
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: He better get to work. You know it's on and

657
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: then if you get interviews, then it's on you. Like

658
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Speaker 1: you can lead a horse to water, but eventually you

659
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: gotta drink it. Like some of these coaches to get

660
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: these interviews. I don't feel like they can betch all

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Speaker 1: they want. Like if I understand, if you're mad you're

662
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: not even getting interviews, but If you get interviews, it's

663
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: on you to close it. Right. If if I set

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Speaker 1: you up on a blind date, you know you can

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Speaker 1: take it from there. It's harder part is just getting

666
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Speaker 1: the date sometimes, right, the hardest part is just getting

667
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: the interview, just getting someone to talk to you. Once

668
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: they do, then it's on you to close a deal.

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Speaker 1: You know that then a lot of the fluff doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Can you sit in front of a guy and sell them?

671
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: Can you sell yourself? Selling yourself is a big deal

672
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: just in life, you know, especially when you're talking about

673
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Speaker 1: a job that's gonna pay you five to eight million

674
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: dollars a year. You better be able to sit in

675
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: front of this owner and sell yourself. Now you can say, oh,

676
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: you just wanted to be a politician middlecoff. No, but

677
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: there is a salesman ship to any job. I don't

678
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: give a ship. If you're coach or working on Wall Street,

679
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: you better be able to sell yourself in front of

680
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Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna cut your checks. And one thing

681
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: is clear. A lot of coaches over the years I

682
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Speaker 1: think that have gotten interviews and never gotten jobs struggle

683
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: in that environment. They feel more comfortable interviewing with the

684
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: head coach to be a coordinator, right, or it's just

685
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: just talking players and xs and knows. Can you talk

686
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: about all the other stuff, because that does matter being

687
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Speaker 1: a head coach, Like can you hander handle controversy? What

688
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: happens when curve balls come out of left field? What

689
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: happens when your best player gets d u I or

690
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: domestic violence? You know what happens when the media starts

691
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: peppering you like it's it's difficult and the owners want

692
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: to know you know. So Yeah, I think there's a

693
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Speaker 1: lot of jealousy. Who benefits from the other more, Brady

694
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Speaker 1: or Belichick? Considering Belichick was not successful before the goat

695
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: was a starter, doesn't he need to win a ring

696
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: after Brady? He's had much easier time than every other

697
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Speaker 1: coach having Brady. That's a fact. Thanks John Love show Well.

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably a double edged sword because to

699
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Speaker 1: say that Belichick had no success, he didn't make the

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Speaker 1: playoffs as a head coach in Cleveland, and he was

701
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: widely considered as by far the best defensive mind in

702
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: the game in the mid eighties. Parcels in the thirty

703
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: for thirty gave Belichick the credit for the special aim

704
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: plans that shut down Walsh in the West Coast offense.

705
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: Like I said that Belichick had the ideas he admitted

706
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: to it. Now would Belichick had become Belichick without Brady,

707
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Speaker 1: Probably not. But I think this one is as close

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Speaker 1: to a mutual relationship as we've ever seen. I can't

709
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: speak on the Walsh Montana one as much when it

710
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: first started because I wasn't even born, but this one

711
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: to see the maturation of the two. Like when Brady

712
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: first started, they were a defensive oriented team. I mean

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Speaker 1: those first couple of years, Bruski, Rodney Harrison, you know,

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Speaker 1: a Sante, Richard Seymour, like they were stacked on the

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Speaker 1: stacked for really the It wasn't until oh seven, the

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Speaker 1: OH six team when Brady became the guy. So three

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00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: of his five Super Bowls now maybe six by Sunday's end,

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00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: but have come with defensive orient teams. Now Brady was good,

719
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: you know by the time the second and third Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But Tom, remember the argument was like Brady and Manning,

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Speaker 1: even when Manning didn't have a Super Bowl, and even

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00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: when he got his one, it's like, well, man, he

723
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Speaker 1: has to do more. You can't even argue that anymore.

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00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: So again, I I think they go pretty hand in hand,

725
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, as coaches, and you know, the best coaches

726
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: will tell you there's never been a great coach and

727
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: a great player. So Brady was probably destined to be

728
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: a great player. His drive, his will to win, his

729
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: work ethic. But if you don't put him with Belichick,

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Speaker 1: maybe he goes somewhere, finds a way to get on

731
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Speaker 1: the field, but only wins one super Bowl. You know,

732
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Speaker 1: maybe he never gets maybe he never gets one. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he's just goes to the Browns or you know, goes

734
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: to a really shitty team and just never gets over

735
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Speaker 1: the top. So I just think it's the greatest combination

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Speaker 1: we've ever seen. And I I really think it's borderline

737
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: impossible to quantify which one needed the other one More,

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Speaker 1: Brady was a six round pick, so to think if

739
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Speaker 1: he goes to some other team that he would even

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00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: he might have been on practice squads for a couple

741
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: of years, he might never have gotten the check chance

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Speaker 1: to play. I mean, I give Belichick credit for a

743
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Speaker 1: couple of things. One, just drafting him, you said, well,

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00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: they they passed on them five rounds, they still took him.

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00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: And remember they didn't. They kept like multiple quarterbacks like

746
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: he was like the third or fourth guy. They didn't

747
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: cut them because they saw something in him. And then

748
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: by the second year he was there their backup. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I I give Belichick a

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00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: lot of credit and I give Brady a lot of credit.

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00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: That's why I give they need each other. I'm a

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Speaker 1: hardcore Cardinals fan from Australia. Are you concerned about Josh Rosen?

753
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: I love him coming out of U c. L A.

754
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: Anthony threw some dimes early in the season, However, his

755
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: play appeared to deteriorate as the season progress. Do you

756
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: think he could make a jump like Jared Goff did

757
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: in your two Fisher to McVeigh, you're one to two.

758
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: I think it's I think you have to look at

759
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: this season like Jared Goff his rookie year and just

760
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: throw it out the window. The offensive line was hideous.

761
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: The coaching staff was a joke. I mean, Steve Wilkes

762
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: was a joke. Coach deserve to get fired after one year.

763
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: I had no clue what was going on. He had

764
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: multiple offensive coordinators in one year and the offensive line.

765
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: You talked to anyone in the NFL was by far

766
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Speaker 1: the worst in the NFL. So I'm just throwing this out.

767
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Josh Rosen guy. Anyone that's been listening since

768
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: last draft knows I really like him. Uh. I didn't

769
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Speaker 1: watch that much of him in the second half of

770
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: the season, but the little I saw it, Yeah, you're right,

771
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: he's play was more down than up. But again, I

772
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: think you have to just hope the Cliff Kingsbury turns

773
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: out to be a good coach. The one thing, you know,

774
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: he's an offensive guy and he's a quarterback. So you

775
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: hired a quarterback coach that's the offensive play caller and

776
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: the head coach. What else can Josh Rosen ask for?

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00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: You know? Now, it might have to kurttail like he

778
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: can't move, Like Josh Rosen is a pocket quarterback. Only

779
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, when he coached uh Mahomes in college, Mahomes

780
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: was athletic. That's not Josh Rosen's deal. So you might

781
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: have to curtail this offense a little bit. But they

782
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: still got David Johnson, who's gonna be healthy this year.

783
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: The young receiver they took from A and M Christian

784
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: Kirk showed some flashes when I watched this year. They

785
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: gotta get better offensive line. That's why I trade back,

786
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: be really aggressive in free agency, and with they need

787
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: offensive line, you have to protect Josh Rosen. Uh So yeah,

788
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Speaker 1: I mean I am not I am bullish on Josh

789
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: Rosen by no means what would I write him off

790
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: because of crappy first year. He was way better, I repeat,

791
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: way more talented than Jared Goff coming out of college. Now,

792
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Jared was really calm, cool and collected. It never been hurt.

793
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: It was clearly unfazed by the dysfunction with the RAMS.

794
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: But I I'm by no means a giving up on

795
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: on Rosen. I know you typically take people's questions regarding

796
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: the Sports and the Future podcast, but I have a

797
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: different kind of question. I'm looking to start up my

798
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: own podcast. I've been watching and studying sports my whole

799
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: life and want to take it a step further. Any

800
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: words of wisdom or advice on how to get started,

801
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: any recommendations on equipment. I think I've answered this question before.

802
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: I just have a this thing called a blue mic.

803
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: You can get him at best Buy. I record this

804
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: before I send it up the ladder on garage band

805
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: on an iMac Pro. It's a couple of years old.

806
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: And uh, my recommendation for anyone that wants to do

807
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: media stuff, like, there's never been an easier time. Instagram, YouTube, Twitter,

808
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: start doing your own videos. Hell, I do videos right

809
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: now from my home office. Make money off it, so like,

810
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: you can do it. There's never been an easier time

811
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: to try out different things in this business. If you

812
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: want to get into that, you literally can start a blog,

813
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, start a video blog. I think they're called

814
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: the vlog, put it on YouTube, just do stuff. Get reps.

815
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, the more reps you get. And we talked

816
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: about this all the time, and but it helps. You know,

817
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: you get better at anything the more you do it.

818
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: And luckily they're pun of avenue. So he'll just grab

819
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: your iPad, grab your phone, record start talking, you know,

820
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: if you if you want to talk sports, record it posted.

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00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: You know, it can feel weird at first, but eventually

822
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: you're just like, whatever, I'm just talking about, Brady, you know,

823
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 1: who cares? I'm looking at this phone three ft away

824
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: from my face. You know, you feel like a loser

825
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: the first time you do it, and you're like, well,

826
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: just you know, and then check comes. You're like, okay,

827
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: I see this is working. But in all seriousness, yeah,

828
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: just just start. You just need a Mac, iPad, a phone.

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Speaker 1: You know, the cameras on the phones are pretty good

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00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: now the cameras. I gotta get a new iPad. But

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Speaker 1: the cameras on the iPads are good too, So get

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Speaker 1: on it. Appreciate everyone listening, enjoy the super Bowl, have

833
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: a great weekend, and again I think everyone for the support.

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Speaker 1: Keep listening and I'll talk to you next week.