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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster

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Speaker 1: Dave Pash. My guest this week is longtime friend and

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Speaker 1: great broadcaster Ian Eagle. Iron has received several national broadcasts

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Speaker 1: for the year accolades. He's been at CBS calling NFL

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Speaker 1: games for twenty seven years. He's now the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Final Four and he's also been the voice of

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets on television for thirty one years. Prior

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Speaker 1: to that, was the voice of the Nets on radio,

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Speaker 1: the voice of the New York Jets on radio. He

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Speaker 1: also does Westwood One NFL. He's doing the Jets Titans

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Speaker 1: this week for CBS TV. Next week he'll do two

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Speaker 1: NFL games, one on radio for Westwood One, one on

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Speaker 1: TV for CBS. We're going to get into some nerdy

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Speaker 1: broadcasting stuff in this episode. We'll also talk Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray what it's like to get prepared to call

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Speaker 1: a game that Kyler Murray is playing it. We'll also

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Speaker 1: relive Kyler Murray's Hail Murray touchdown that Iron Eagle called

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Speaker 1: for CBS four years ago.

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Speaker 2: It was an incredible moment for Kyler Murray. One play

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Speaker 2: exhibited all that that young man is capable of. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be one of the great highlights of

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Speaker 2: my professional career because it's such a unique ending.

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Speaker 1: You do you all right? Time now for our conversation

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Speaker 1: with CBS broadcaster Iron Eagle. Well, first of all, Palell,

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Speaker 1: great senior man, how's everything.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you, Dave. I think back to the

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Speaker 2: first time that I met you, and it was nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety nine. That means twenty five years of friendship. Not

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Speaker 2: to make you feel old, but that's a legitimate number

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Speaker 2: in our relationship.

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Speaker 1: And actually that was the first time we met in person,

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Speaker 1: but you and I had chatted on the phone in

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Speaker 1: eighteen ninety four because I was looking for some advice

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Speaker 1: and you've always been gracious. I feel weird saying that

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Speaker 1: you're one of my mentors because our age were close

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Speaker 1: in age, But back then, thirty years ago, it felt

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Speaker 1: like you were so much older than me.

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Speaker 2: I you know what's so funny too, because you obviously

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Speaker 2: have no control over who comes into school when you're

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Speaker 2: still there, or when you start someone graduates. That's exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened with the two of us. You started the

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Speaker 2: year that I graduated, so we never crossed over in Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: But I actually skipped agree. I'm going to give you

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Speaker 2: a full butterfly effect. I skipped third grade. So if

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Speaker 2: I didn't skip third you and I would have known

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Speaker 2: each other back in the nineties early nineties, and maybe

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Speaker 2: our lives are completely different. So I can't even wrap

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Speaker 2: my brain around it. Man, I just freaked myself out.

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Speaker 1: Did you skip third grade? Because other than you being

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Speaker 1: incredibly intelligent, yes, you really did need elementary school.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of a reverse Billy Madison. They were

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Speaker 2: just so blown away by my intellect. No, we had

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Speaker 2: moved from one area of queens Rego Park to another

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Speaker 2: you know, this is how different it was in the

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Speaker 2: New York City school system in the nineteen seventies. My

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Speaker 2: dad and I went into the new school and we

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Speaker 2: were told to bring my work from the previous school.

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Speaker 2: So we brought my work and we met with doctor

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Speaker 2: Charles Beck. Told the principal very lanky, gentleman with glasses,

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Speaker 2: my dad, and then he turned to my dad and said, well,

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Speaker 2: want to be in fourth grade? And my dad turned

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Speaker 2: be in fourth grade. I said, yeah, that's fine. And

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Speaker 2: that was it. That was the whole transaction. I was

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Speaker 2: in fourth grade, I got moved up the grade, and

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Speaker 1: It's nuts. I thought that maybe it was because you

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Speaker 2: I was living off the land, Dave. Just very different upbringing.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I actually lived in an apartment and then

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Speaker 2: fourth grade. This was a priority.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was free and easy with my attendance at Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: I went to class, but you didn't mention that, by

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Speaker 2: the way, in our first conversation, and you never said, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I didn't go to any classes for

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Speaker 1: I mean, for guys like us, we didn't need to

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Speaker 1: necessary evil. But no one in our profession was ever

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Speaker 1: GPA was. It's very weird, right, other than professional athletes,

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Speaker 2: I kind of realized you led with voice not face

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Speaker 2: on this particular exchange. You're so right. Nobody really tells

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Speaker 2: you that at that point. So I did feel some

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Speaker 2: pressure from him, probably self imposed more than anything else,

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Speaker 2: freshman year. Freshman year was a complete wash, to the

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Speaker 2: point where I had to intercept the letter that was

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Speaker 2: sent to my home that I was on academic probation

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Speaker 2: after freshman year. My father never saw the letter, so

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Speaker 2: in my mind, it never really happened. And then first

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Speaker 2: back on track. All the numbers were fine after that.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, nobody ever asked me, and any of

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Speaker 2: these interviews that I've done with teams or networks, hey,

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Speaker 2: would you get sophomore year sociology? It's never come up.

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Speaker 1: I do want to get into actual NFL and cardinal stuff,

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Speaker 1: but I do feel like the nerdy broadcasting stuff is

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Speaker 1: Just because it is such a strange field. I remember

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Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying this because you're on the

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Speaker 1: Tariko was local at that point my freshman year. He

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Speaker 1: Iron e Like, I didn't grow up in New York.

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Speaker 1: You were, you know, a New York guy. You're working

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty wild to think about that time. I

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, I'm from Queen's He said, what part

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Speaker 2: This is now a friend for life. Based on me

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Speaker 2: up becoming his intern. I ended up becoming his producer.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that you and I did speak when

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Speaker 2: of insight. Those little moments really do help, certainly in

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Speaker 1: When we left Syracuse, all of us left with a

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Speaker 1: dream thinking, maybe possibly will get a job, make ten

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Speaker 1: Some of us didn't make it, but we didn't know.

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Speaker 1: None of us had any idea when we laughed. But

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Speaker 1: we all went to Syracuse because we wanted to be

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Speaker 1: that guy. When did that dream start to form for you?

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Speaker 1: Because obviously you grew up in a home full of entertainers,

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Speaker 1: so was early on when did you go to the route?

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Speaker 1: Because obviously you're incredibly funny and entertaining, but yet you're

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Speaker 1: you all feel good as a team about how it

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00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: came across to the viewer. Remember what it felt like

434
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: after you called the hail Mary COVID Kyler Murray beats

435
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. The Cardinals obviously just played the Bills

436
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: this past weekend, because that is one of the great

437
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: moments in Cardinals history. You were on the Mic Ford

438
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: for CBS. Do you remember what you said after the

439
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: broadcast in which you thought, after the broadcast.

440
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: Dave, what's so crazy about that particular moment. The things

441
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 2: that flood back to me have nothing to do with

442
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: the play. They have everything to do with that weekend

443
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: and how our whole broadcast setup went off course. Our producer,

444
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: our ad and our graphics coordinator all tested positive for COVID.

445
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: None of them worked the game, so they got to Arizona.

446
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: It was there that you had to take a test

447
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: and you had to pass the test in order to

448
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: then go to the stadium. The three of them did

449
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: not pass, or one failed, and then the other two

450
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: got sucked in because they were close contacts. So none

451
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: of them worked the game. Our producer for the game

452
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: was in New Jersey at a remote location and doesn't

453
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: do the NFL does college football. Our director was by

454
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: himself in the truck, and for the final three minutes

455
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: of the broadcast, we lost all communication with producer and director,

456
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: so we were flying blind. Charles and I could hear

457
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: each other, we had zero cues or direction from the truck.

458
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: So those are the things that come flooding back to

459
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: me that no one would ever know about or ask about,

460
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: or be concerned with, because they shouldn't be. If you're

461
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: at home, you don't care. Now throw into the mix,

462
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: as you know because you lived it. It's not a

463
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: full house. It was a sparse crowd. Arizona was one

464
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: of the places that did have some fans, but very

465
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: limited and that whole season. I had never realized how

466
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: much I relied on crowd until that year of the

467
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: NFL and little cused. And it was very early in

468
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 2: that year. We had Baltimore Cleveland in the first game

469
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: of the season and I was late to something, but

470
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: I got there in time on a Lamar Jackson pitch

471
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: to mark Ingram and I thought to myself, Wow, the

472
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: audience doesn't realize how gifted I am to have recovered

473
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: in that moment. And then they run the replay and

474
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: I completely missed a Lamar Jackson juke move because I

475
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: was caught up in something else, and I realized that

476
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: in normal broadcasting moments, the crowd would have been my compass,

477
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: because the crowd would have reacted to the Jackson move

478
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: even if I missed it. I may have changed my inflection,

479
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: or I might have accelerated my play by play or

480
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: pushed the gas pedal a bit to at least acknowledge

481
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: that something special just happened. I whiffed, and that whole

482
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: season was so bizarre. So that play, Buffalo had just

483
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: scored a touchdown, and I thought I actually had a

484
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: really good call on the Allen to Diggs touchdown to

485
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: put the Bills in front. And I thought to myself,

486
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: all right, considering there's no crowd here, considering Buffalo's run

487
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: because they were the hottest team in football, if I

488
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: remember correctly going into that game. I'm happy with how

489
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: we handled all that. And now Arizona comes down the field,

490
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: and you know you've had and you called this one

491
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: in particular, and your call was outstanding. More often than not,

492
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. I can't tell you how many Hail

493
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: Mary's I've called that the ball hits the turf and

494
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: bodies fly, and sometimes it's close, and sometimes someone wedges

495
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: in and tries to get their hands under it. More

496
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: often than not, it doesn't work. This one happened to

497
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: hit and the synopses are firing in your brain. Make

498
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 2: sure are you telling the story, do you get the

499
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: receiver correct, are you on top of it in the moment?

500
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: Do you describe it in the way that is going

501
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: to be the conduit for the fans at home to

502
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: feel the energy despite the fact there aren't sixty five

503
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: thousand people in attendance, so you're trying to check so

504
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: many boxes. It was an incredible moment, and obviously for

505
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, it showed off all his skills on one play.

506
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: One play exhibited all that that young man is capable of.

507
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's going to be one of the great

508
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: highlights of my professional career because it's such a unique ending.

509
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: You just don't get many of those like that.

510
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how many cardinal games you've done, since

511
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: it seems like now there are more opportunities because CBS

512
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: is doing NFC versus NFCC and Foxes doing some AFC

513
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: versus AFC. I assume you've done a few since I'm

514
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: pretty sure you and Charles have. When you've watched Kyler

515
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: and you see that what stands out to you about

516
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: the potential? Like this past weekend, we see this great

517
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: first half and then we're watching the tape on the

518
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: flight back, and really, even though his numbers didn't show it,

519
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: he's just as good in the second half. There just

520
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: were some drops and obviously they lose the game. But

521
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: what stands out to the most when you watch Kyler

522
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: because you've seen them all the last thirty plus years

523
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: being around the NFL.

524
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: He's really an extraordinary talent, and obviously that's part of

525
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: the reason why the Cardinals decided to take the next

526
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: step and pay him and annoint him as their franchise quarterback.

527
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: These are marriages in the NF that you can only

528
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: judge after the fact. You can have opinions going into it.

529
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: It's hard to find QB number one that is going

530
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: to be the leader of your team and the leader

531
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: in your locker room and the face of your franchise

532
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: for an extended period of time. It's not easy. You

533
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: can draft guys number one, number three, number twelve, sixth round,

534
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. At some point you have to

535
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: make the decision as an organization are we investing in

536
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: this player? Do we believe in him? And if we're not,

537
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: what's the other option? What's the game plan? So I

538
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: did have San Francisco Arizona last year where the Cardinals

539
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: were competitive against the team that nearly won the Super Bowl,

540
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: and it was a fun game, actually ended up having

541
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: some explosive plays and some good moments. And any time

542
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: that I've called a game with Kyler Murray as a

543
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: play by play announcer, I have to really be on

544
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: my and q's because there's a chance he's going to

545
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: do something electric. And that's on every snap there's the

546
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: possibility he's going to do something that you haven't seen before,

547
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: or unlikely or not normal compared to what that play

548
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: would usually present. In the NFL. The key now is

549
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: can he string it together and be a consistent winner

550
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: in this league. I got really good vibes last year

551
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: talking to Jonathan Gannon, talking to the coaching staff, talking

552
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: to the players. Despite winning four games, normally that's looked

553
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: at as a lost season. I thought last year was

554
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: a good development year, and certainly with Gannon, you understood, hey,

555
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: he's really smart, he's really on top of things, and

556
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: now you need a few things to fall into place.

557
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: You need Harrison to become a legitimate number one go

558
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: to receiver, this offensive line to form some chemistry, and

559
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of playmakers on defense. It needs to

560
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: come all together. The NFL, to me, of all the

561
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: sports that I've called, is still the most unpredictable year

562
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: to year. There are certain teams that you know, Kansas

563
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: City now has taken on that role as the franchise

564
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: in the league, and after that, there are teams that

565
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: you believe in, and then there's a layer in the

566
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: NFL that you don't quite have a handle lot year

567
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: to year, based on strength of schedule, based on injuries,

568
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: based on a draft class just coming out and performing

569
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: at a high level, or a couple of free agent

570
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: signings that really hit. You can go worse to first

571
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL, more so than in any other sport.

572
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: That is proven. There's data that shows it, and there's

573
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: a reason why the margin of error in the NFL

574
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: is set up in a way. If you lose your

575
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: guy the starting quarterback, most teams cannot withstand it. If

576
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: you're healthy, if you're deep you've got a chance to

577
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: do damage in this league, and Arizona is one of

578
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: those teams that I'm still keeping an eye on that it.

579
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,399
Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting to see if they take

580
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: that next step, because they're certainly capable of it.

581
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: I want to go back. We'll come more, We'll get

582
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: you out of you. I want to go back to

583
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: what you said about when you're calling a game with

584
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: a player like Kyler Murray, because it's the same for me,

585
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: like I'm on high alert like every call. You know,

586
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: when you call a game, sometimes it does depend on

587
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: your not your level of excitement, but just where your

588
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: brain goes in terms of like being ready for something

589
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: that is unpredictable. It's like when you're calling a Steph

590
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: Curry game or a Lebron game, right and the NBA

591
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: just you might see something that you'll never see again.

592
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: And Kyler kind of falls into that category of the

593
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: spectacular where you got to be ready and your brain,

594
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I just know there I have, like I'm crouching right

595
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: now as I'm talking to you, because that's kind of

596
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: how I am. Give mom a hundter other producer who

597
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: stands behind me, can he can attest like I'm ready

598
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: almost every call because I don't know what he's going

599
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: to do. It's a good thing.

600
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a perfect way to describe it, because

601
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: you do have to be in the ready position mentally

602
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: and almost physically in a way. Your body has to

603
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: be open to the idea that something that you've never

604
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: seen before might happen in front of you. I've never

605
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: thought of it this way, but you just jarred a thought.

606
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: In my brain.

607
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: I started calling NBA before I started calling NFL, and

608
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: looking back on it, it probably helped me. The NBA style

609
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: of play was so fast and the rhythm of it

610
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: was so fast, and I didn't realize this until probably

611
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: year four or five of calling NBA, when then I

612
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: started calling NFL. But the thing about the NBA, you

613
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: could have the play of the Year take place at

614
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: the eleven eight mark of the first quarter of a

615
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: game on November the eighth, and if you're not ready

616
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: for it, it'll pass you by, and nobody that hears

617
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: the highlight later looks at the circumstances and surrounding it,

618
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: and they don't want to hear the story that you

619
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: were looking down at your notes because it was only

620
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: fifty two seconds into the game and you wanted to

621
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: get that stat out. They just want to know why

622
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: you didn't nail the call. So the term you use

623
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: was being on high alert. That's how I feel every

624
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: NBA game that I do. I am ready for what

625
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: might be the play of the year, not just the

626
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: team's play of the year, the play of the year

627
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: in the NBA. That's how athletic these guys are, that's

628
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: how gifted they are, and at any moment, something can

629
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: take place that could just blow your mind. So I

630
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: carried that a bit into my NFL approach. Not right away,

631
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: but eventually I got there that you better be ready,

632
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: and now certain players force you to be in that mode.

633
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson would be another one. Michael Vick when he

634
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: played in the NFL certainly fit in that category. There

635
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: are just certain guys. Barry Sanders, that's how old I

636
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: am calling games with him when I started doing the NFL.

637
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: If you're not ready, you'll get swallowed up by the moment,

638
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: and you don't get a take too. You don't get

639
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: a backspace king the key. You get one shot, You

640
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: get one take. And I've constantly reminded myself of that,

641
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: and it's funny. I'm sure this has happened with you

642
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: when the Cardinals might post a flashback moment from early

643
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 2: in your career on X and you're like, all right,

644
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: I'll hit play why not, and it'll take you back

645
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: to that moment what you were thinking, what was going

646
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: on in your life early in your broadcast career with

647
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, Or if Syracuse post something from ninety nine

648
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: and two thousand and you're thinking, man, they let me

649
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: on the air with that. Really, but I'm most proud

650
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: when I see that on flashbacks by the NFL or

651
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: CBS or the NBA or the Nets. I'm most proud

652
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: that I was in the moment and I wasn't hovering

653
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: above the moment as I was calling play by play.

654
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: That's how you really have to view this job. You've

655
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: got to be in it. The fans are in it.

656
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: They are hanging on every moment, they are hanging on

657
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: every word, and if you're taking plays off mentally, then

658
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: you're doing an injustice to the team that you work

659
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: with and to the audience. So for me, it's a

660
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: constant state of what you just described, and you put

661
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: it perfectly. It really is just being on high alert.

662
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: With football, there is a different level of preparation than

663
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: there is for basketball. It's different if you're doing a

664
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: national game too, as opposed to the same team every week.

665
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: But I've worked with a number of people on college

666
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: football that are either former coaches or former players that

667
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: are getting into the business, and I think when they

668
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: were playing or coaching, they didn't realize the prep work

669
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: that goes into calling a game. So for people that

670
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: are listening or watching that, I want to know because

671
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: I had asked this a lot, what's it like a

672
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: week in the life of Iron Eagle getting ready to

673
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: call an NFL game? Kind of take us through that,

674
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: because there are some weeks where you're doing a Westwood

675
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: one game on a Thursday right along with your Sunday duties.

676
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: You might have a NETS game, you might have an

677
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: NBA game. Am I missing anything that you might have?

678
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: But well, it's very similar to your schedule. And I

679
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: know we've had these discussions off the air reguards to

680
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: compartmentalization and juggling and getting ahead and trying to take

681
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: some of the pressure off because once the game starts,

682
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: everything crystallizes and I'll put the work in I've never

683
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: been shy about putting the hours in necessary to get

684
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: myself prepared for an event. And we're all different and

685
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: different things stick with us. Different things are important. We

686
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: prioritize differently, We view information in different ways based on

687
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: the lens that we use. Something that you find interesting,

688
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: I may not find interesting, and something that I think

689
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: has to make air You might say, no, this is

690
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: not relevant to what we're doing. That's what makes the

691
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: world go round. But the one part that is consistent

692
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: for anyone that is really good at this job is

693
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: you're showing up ready to go because you've done the

694
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 2: necessary work leading up to it. Those that are cramming,

695
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: those that are trying to shot down things at the

696
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: last moment or the night before, it's going to show

697
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: up on the air, and it may not show up

698
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: in that game, but it's going to show up on

699
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: a broadcast later on because maybe you got away with it.

700
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: You cut a corner here, or you took a shortcut there,

701
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: and nobody realized that the next game that you did,

702
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: you didn't really have all the info. But guess what

703
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: a week later, a month later, six months later, a

704
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: year later, five years at some point that will cost you.

705
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 2: So how I've always viewed it is I would rather

706
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: be overprepared and use ten percent than be underprepared and

707
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: use eighty five percent of my stuff. The part that

708
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: took a while is getting to the place of not

709
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: having to prove to the audience how much I know,

710
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: and I think that's a very personal thing for every broadcaster.

711
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: Some broadcasters never get there. They just feel as if

712
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a deluge of information and if

713
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: you like it, great, If you don't, no skin off

714
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: my back. I just provided it for you. And I

715
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: don't know what stage it was. I probably could narrow

716
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: it down. I figured out, hey, look, whatever you're doing,

717
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: it's for you. You've got to do it for the audience.

718
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: That's the priority. This is not a me thing. And

719
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: with all of the information that I was gathering throughout

720
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 2: the week, I was tossing it in at random moments

721
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: and it made no sense. As I started watching my

722
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: tapes back, one thing that I started doing dave that

723
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: I had not done, which was a huge key for

724
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: me where I think I made a real serious turn

725
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: as a broadcaster in the right direction. I started watching

726
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: back games from a year earlier or two years earlier,

727
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: not the ones that were fresh on my mind, where

728
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: I remembered exactly why I said something, or what my

729
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: reaction was to a shot, or what the graphic was.

730
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: I started watching my stuff back from a year or

731
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: two earlier, when I had no recollection of what was

732
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: the lead story, who were the key players, what was

733
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: at stake, and then I could make a really serious

734
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: evaluation on how I was covering a game, and I

735
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: found myself improving leaps and bounds. It was a big

736
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: step for me where I made market improvement based on

737
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: my own personal feedback of seeing where I needed to

738
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: get better, and that was a big jumping off point

739
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: for me. That was probably somewhere in the early two

740
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: thousands where I finally figured it out. And that's after

741
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: being on network teleelevision for four or five six years.

742
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: And it's still something i'll employ today, just occasionally a

743
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: random game I know nothing about it from two years earlier,

744
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: three years earlier, and just watch it back, and I

745
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: learn more from that than I would watching my game

746
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: from week one New England and Cincinnati this season.

747
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: That's great, it's a great idea I may need to

748
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: incorporate that into my self evaluation and self scouting, and

749
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: like you, I mean, this is year twenty one on

750
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: college football, eighteen on NBA for ESPN, and I think

751
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: it took me four or five six years to realize

752
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: you're not calling the game for yourself. You're not calling

753
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: it for your bosses. You're not trying to call it

754
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: to try to move up the ladder or impress somebody.

755
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: You're calling it for the audience. And I think some

756
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: people assume, oh, day one, that's your mindset. But I

757
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: learned how to be a better listener to my analyst.

758
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: You know, at first, you're kind of doing your game

759
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: was her game, and it just it takes time. Forgive

760
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: me because I kept you much longer than I promised.

761
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: I'll keep you. But the last one that I wanted

762
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: to ask you because I can't have you on and

763
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: not ask you. Now that you're the voice of the

764
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: Final Four, and I think in my lifetime you're the

765
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: fourth Gary Bender, Ren Harsberger, and Jim Nantz. I don't

766
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: recall who was prior to Bender dick Enberg, Okay, And

767
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: I think at that point I was probably too young

768
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: to remember much about those games. I think the first

769
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: one I remember is is Bender maybe in eighty one

770
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: or eighty two.

771
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: I was seventy nine. That's the first one I legitimately

772
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: remember watching, which happened to be Magic versus Bird. I

773
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: remember storyline surrounding the previous one. My longtime broadcast partner

774
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: Jim Spinarkell was in the National Championship Duke against Kentucky

775
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: in seventy eight the year before when Goose Gibvens went

776
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: off and had a brilliant game that led Kentucky to

777
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: the title. And I remember the broadcast a bit, but

778
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: seventy nine is really the one that I remember.

779
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: So you get the job. You're in that chair now.

780
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: You've worked with Bill Raftury for a long time, so

781
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: there's the basic sit there, Grant Hill, you've worked with

782
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: now for a number of years NBA and college. But

783
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: were you nervous? You knew the shoes that you were

784
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: stepping into. You knew that whatever happens, it's going to

785
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: be written about and talked about. And you don't need

786
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: me to tell you were fantastic, which I don't think

787
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: anybody that has watched you over the years and knows you.

788
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: Nobody was surprised by were you nervous. Did you think

789
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: at all about how people are going to perceive this

790
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: or did you really try to just call the game

791
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: as you would any other game, Which I know is

792
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: easy to say, but we all when we get big games,

793
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: we know the difference. Now the audience hopefully doesn't know

794
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: the difference because we're calling it the same way, but

795
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: sometimes in our brains when it's maybe a little bit

796
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: bigger game, yep, things are different internally. So what were

797
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: you feeling going into it? How did you feel after

798
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: you were done calling your first national championship game.

799
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question and a legitimate one, and

800
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: one that I would be curious about with other broadcasters

801
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: when they got to that place where everything that led

802
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: up to it is now happening for them. I had

803
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: two very key thoughts in my mind prior to the

804
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: entire weekend, which was in Arizona in Glendale, so I'll

805
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: have that memory for the rest of my life. The

806
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: first one was very close to what you just detailed,

807
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: which was, Hey, it's a basketball game. You've done literally

808
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: thousands of these. Don't change what you do. Don't try

809
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: to be something else, don't try to now raise the

810
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: gravitas because it's the final four, it's the national championship.

811
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: So that was the first part. The second part was

812
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: very conscious, and it was a reminder prior to the

813
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: weekend to enjoy it, to not let it become bigger

814
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: than it was, and to find a sense of peace

815
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: just as we were going on the air, which I

816
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: did so the National semifinals. The way things are set

817
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: up at the Final four, it's an elevated court. Because

818
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: you're in stadiums, you're not in arenas, and your broadcast

819
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: location is a little lower than it would normally be.

820
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: You're looking up a bit at the action, so that's

821
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: odd and different, and you could either as a broadcaster

822
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: allow that to freak you out or you take on

823
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: the mentality of it, roll with the punches, whatever it

824
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 2: is it is. I chose b which was I'll adjust,

825
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: will make it work. Nobody needs to hear about my problems.

826
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: But the strange part for me was going up those

827
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 2: stairs to this raised, elevated court puts you away from

828
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: everybody on the periphery. So normally, as you know, you

829
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: do a game in an arena, you turn around to

830
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: do your stand up and look into the camera there

831
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: are fans right behind or medium members just behind that camera.

832
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: Literally they're feet away from you, So you're a little

833
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: bit like an animal in a cage, or at least

834
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: it feels that way, and people are staring now at you.

835
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: But because this was so far away from any fans,

836
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: any media members, any of my bosses, everybody just seemed

837
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 2: such a lengthy distance away. I got to a very

838
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: zen like place for this open and it didn't strike

839
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: me that this is the biggest event of my life

840
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: or the most important broadcast. I just really went in

841
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: with the attitude of have fun and the audience is

842
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: going to have fun too, and I did carry that

843
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: with me for that entire weekend. I want to remind

844
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 2: myself of that moving forward, because that's really the way

845
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: to do this. It's not a simple process to get there.

846
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, and I'm really glad that I

847
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 2: did that particular weekend, I just went with the mentality

848
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 2: of just go with it. Just go with it, man,

849
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And even the practice day, and you've

850
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: been there in other roles in your life, whether it

851
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: was doing radio, whatever it might be, that day can

852
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: be overwhelming if you allow it to be, and I

853
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: just took the other viewpoint, which was, Nope, anybody who

854
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: wants to come up to you to talk, great, engage, chat,

855
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: take pictures, whatever it may be. And that is really

856
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 2: what happened. It was a carnival on the Friday before

857
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: the Final four. And if I didn't have the right attitude,

858
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: I could have gotten very much frustrated by the fact

859
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: that I wasn't doing what I normally do, I wasn't

860
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: following my routine. I just went the opposite. I said, Nope,

861
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 2: this is a new experience. Just be open to all

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Speaker 1: Well, you were fantastic. You are fantastic. I remember reading

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Speaker 1: And it's so true what Mike Breen said, Mike bring

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Speaker 1: I wish I could color my hair. When you met me,

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Speaker 1: I know your schedule is busy. Thanks, I dave.

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