WEBVTT - Summer of '96 [3]

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<v Speaker 2>It must have been May or June nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been in Belgium for about a year and

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<v Speaker 2>was engaging in one of my favorite pastimes in my

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<v Speaker 2>new host country, grocery shopping in the del Hayes supermarket.

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<v Speaker 2>Still to this day, twenty five years later, I love

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<v Speaker 2>Delaya's stores. You can always tell a lot about a

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<v Speaker 2>country by their supermarkets, and Belgium certainly lives up to

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<v Speaker 2>its reputation as a paradise for good food and drink.

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<v Speaker 2>I was meandering through the beer ale when I heard

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<v Speaker 2>a disturbance few aisles.

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<v Speaker 1>Over, ju Yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Juet.

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<v Speaker 2>A woman was searching for.

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<v Speaker 4>Her daughter.

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<v Speaker 5>Juette.

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<v Speaker 2>The tone of her voice ran borderline hysterical, Juliette as

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<v Speaker 2>she ran from aisle to aisle, yelling out.

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<v Speaker 3>For her daughter, Juliette, Suette, Jaunette Dame.

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<v Speaker 2>Other shoppers joined in and soon half of the supermarket

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<v Speaker 2>was searching for Juliette.

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<v Speaker 6>Sauyette.

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<v Speaker 2>We found her in the cereal aisle and her mother

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<v Speaker 2>hugged her into an embrace as if she'd almost lost

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<v Speaker 2>Juliet forever. I remember thinking, hmmm, I guess losing your

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<v Speaker 2>kid in a supermarket is a big deal here. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until I was leaving and saw the message board

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<v Speaker 2>near the exit that it hit me. Penned onto the

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<v Speaker 2>board were two slightly faded flers with the faces of Julian, Melissa,

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<v Speaker 2>and Anne and Eva, the four girls who had gone

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<v Speaker 2>missing in two separate incidences the previous summer. Next to

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<v Speaker 2>them was a brand new one. Yet another girl, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>year old Sabindarden, had vanished in broad daylight. Five girls

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<v Speaker 2>had now gone missing without a trace. The country was

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<v Speaker 2>waking up to the frightening fact that all five disappearances

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<v Speaker 2>were strikingly similar and possibly connected. The terror I just

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<v Speaker 2>witness and Juliette's mother and the immediate action from a

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<v Speaker 2>group of strangers were testament to the fact that fear

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<v Speaker 2>was beginning to grip the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Up.

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<v Speaker 7>Psychopaths is somebody who understands emotions.

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<v Speaker 3>And I told them it is very exceptional that somebody

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<v Speaker 3>abducts two children at the same time, so they have

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<v Speaker 3>been the yen of it in nineteen eighty six, But

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<v Speaker 3>my god, it was just a beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to la monstre, I'm your host, Matt Graves. The

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<v Speaker 2>families of Julian, Melissa, and Anne and Effia had endured

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<v Speaker 2>a long and cold winter without any meaningful leads. Spring

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<v Speaker 2>it arrived in Belgium. But while most people were enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>the warmer weather and lengthening days, the families of these

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<v Speaker 2>missing girls were still in the dark, with little to

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<v Speaker 2>no light shed on the whereabouts or fate of their children.

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<v Speaker 2>Now yet another girl had simply vanished without a trace.

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<v Speaker 2>The latest disappearance was in a French speaking region near

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Tournay, about six month miles from the

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<v Speaker 2>French border in the west of Belgium. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>crisp spring morning in May nineteen ninety six when twelve

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<v Speaker 2>year old Sabine Darden hopped on her bike at around

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<v Speaker 2>seven twenty five for the roughly mile and a half

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<v Speaker 2>ride to school. She was wearing jeans, a red sweater,

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<v Speaker 2>a blue raincoat, and a small backpack. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>swimming day, so she had her little red swimming bag

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<v Speaker 2>attached to the port baggage of her dunlop bicycle. She

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes met up with a friend who lived on the

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<v Speaker 2>route to school and then they'd ride together, But when

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<v Speaker 2>the friend wasn't there that morning, Sabine didn't find it unusual,

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<v Speaker 2>so she rode on by herself. Riding on her own,

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<v Speaker 2>she turned into a quiet street behind the local stadium

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<v Speaker 2>that was still covered in shadow at that early hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Little did she know that predators were lurking in those shadows.

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<v Speaker 2>She heard the rumble of a vehicle approaching from behind,

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<v Speaker 2>so she instinctively swerved to the side to let it pass.

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<v Speaker 2>When it pulled up beside her, she only had a

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<v Speaker 2>split second to see a man behind the wheel of

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<v Speaker 2>a dirty van before another man, who was perched next

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<v Speaker 2>to the open side door, swooped out and grabbed her

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<v Speaker 2>right off of her bicycle. It all happened in a flash.

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<v Speaker 2>Sabine was ripped off of her bike and thrown into

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<v Speaker 2>the back of a van in seconds. The man who

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed her yelled at the driver to stop. They needed

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<v Speaker 2>to get the bike and swimming bags strewn out on

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<v Speaker 2>the road. We know a lot about Sabine's experiences based

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<v Speaker 2>on letters and a journal found where she was held

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<v Speaker 2>after being kidnapped. Before Sabine knew it, they were moving again,

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<v Speaker 2>and her aggressor was trying to force small pills into

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<v Speaker 2>her mouth. The van was filthy, with windows covered by

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<v Speaker 2>stickers and ugly brown and yellow checkered curtains. The back

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<v Speaker 2>seats had been ripped out and replaced with a dirty mattress.

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<v Speaker 2>Sabine's aggressor wrapped her up in a filthy blanket and

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<v Speaker 2>held her down so she couldn't see where they were going.

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<v Speaker 2>When she struggled and yelled, he pinned her down and

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<v Speaker 2>covered up her mouth with his hand. His face was

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<v Speaker 2>inches from hers. His menacing black eyes were terrifying, and

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<v Speaker 2>she realized that trying to fight back was futile. I

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<v Speaker 2>think back to my experience in the supermarket. No doubt

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<v Speaker 2>people were starting to worry about all these disappearances, but

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<v Speaker 2>they had no idea how bad it really was. I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke with an investigative journalist about what the atmosphere was

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<v Speaker 2>like in the mid nineties in Belgium, Douglas de cunning

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<v Speaker 2>probably knows more about this case than anyone. He covered

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<v Speaker 2>it from the beginning for one of the country's most

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<v Speaker 2>respected newspapers, De Morgan. Everywhere I looked to find out

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<v Speaker 2>more about these disappearances, I constantly run into Douglas's work.

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<v Speaker 2>When I finally tracked him down, he was deep in

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<v Speaker 2>the throes of investigating what he called quote Belgium's version

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<v Speaker 2>of the George Floyd case. Needless to say, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>busy man, and I'm fortunate that he agreed to help

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<v Speaker 2>me with his project.

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<v Speaker 5>A colleague of mine, Fred van Nambussa, and all the journalists,

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<v Speaker 5>he published a book in those days. The title was

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<v Speaker 5>young Girls Don't Disappear just like that, and it was

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<v Speaker 5>a perfect way of expressing what we all felt because

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<v Speaker 5>every summer there were young girls getting killed or disappeared, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and there was a very strange indifference among the people,

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<v Speaker 5>but among the police as well. I remember several policemen

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<v Speaker 5>afterwards saying that in every police department you have a

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<v Speaker 5>murder section, you have a burglary section. He also had

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<v Speaker 5>a section that had to deal with child abduction, and

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<v Speaker 5>if you were at a child abduction section. That meant

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<v Speaker 5>that your career was really a disaster that puts them

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<v Speaker 5>the most stupid policemen there because that wasn't considered as

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<v Speaker 5>being a real form of crime.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was really something that they almost swept under

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<v Speaker 2>the rug. It sounds like when it comes to.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Belgium was a paradise for perverts in those days.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certainly not pointing the finger at Belgium with this project. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>the world is full of places where children disappear without

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<v Speaker 2>proper follow up. In my home state of Texas, a

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<v Speaker 2>monster named Dean Coral abducted and murdered at least twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight teenage boys under the noses of police in Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Child abduction and murder is far from a Belgian problem.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, it's a problem that pretty reliably transcends most borders.

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<v Speaker 2>Belgium simply is an immune from it. It's unbearable to

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<v Speaker 2>imagine the fear and confusion that must have consumed Sabine

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<v Speaker 2>Darden's mind that terrifying morning, only twelve years old. In

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<v Speaker 2>one minute, she's riding her bike on a peaceful spring morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and the next she's wrenched into a filthy van, hurtling

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<v Speaker 2>down the highway. After bumping along what felt like a

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<v Speaker 2>country road for a while, the van pulled into a

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<v Speaker 2>smoother road and accelerated. Sabine spit out the first few pills,

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<v Speaker 2>but the man covered her face with a moist cloth

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<v Speaker 2>that had a chemical smell that made her feel woozy,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he forced her to swallow the pills. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>the attempted abduction in episode one. The perpetrator also purportedly

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<v Speaker 2>had a moist cloth, most likely with chloroform or another

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<v Speaker 2>chemical sedative. Still awake and gripped with fear, Sabine pretended

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<v Speaker 2>to be asleep as the trip continued for what felt

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<v Speaker 2>like an eternity. When the van finally stopped, the man

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<v Speaker 2>pointed to a metal tool chest and told her to

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<v Speaker 2>get inside. After she refused, the man and the driver

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<v Speaker 2>pushed her into the chest and shut the lid. They

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<v Speaker 2>carried her inside the chest, and a few minutes later,

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<v Speaker 2>when they opened it, she found herself inside a dingy house.

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<v Speaker 2>They took her upstairs to a room on the second

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<v Speaker 2>floor with windows covered so that she couldn't see out.

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<v Speaker 2>There were bunk beds and a dinosaur poster on the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like a child's room. One of the men

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<v Speaker 2>then chained her to the bed by her neck and

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<v Speaker 2>left the room. Back at her hometown of Tournay, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until the late afternoon, when she hadn't come home

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<v Speaker 2>from school, that Sabine's parents realized she was missing. Now

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<v Speaker 2>yet another set of parents was living through the nightmare

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<v Speaker 2>of their child vanishing without a trace. Thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>tireless work of Julian Melissa and Anne and ephis families,

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<v Speaker 2>the disappearance of Sabine wasn't just swept under the rug.

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<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't let the population or the police forget that

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't normal for kids to just disappear. Their posters

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<v Speaker 2>were everywhere, and they continued their relentless campaign through a

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<v Speaker 2>constant drumbeat of press appearances and even their own investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>The first journalist to have contact with Julian Melissa's family

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<v Speaker 2>was a reporter from a major national magazine named Michelle Bouffieux.

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle currently works as a journalist at the famous French

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<v Speaker 2>magazine Paris Match. He agreed to an interview and I

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<v Speaker 2>asked him when he first had contact with the families

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<v Speaker 2>of Julian Melissa.

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<v Speaker 6>No, actually It was Julian his family who called me

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<v Speaker 6>a few weeks after the disappearances. They called me because

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<v Speaker 6>of a book I co wrote in ninety three about

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<v Speaker 6>human trafficking networks and pedophilia in Belgium. They wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>discuss the situation and see if I had any thoughts

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<v Speaker 6>or hypothesis about the disappearance of their girls, and their

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<v Speaker 6>conviction was clear from the beginning that the children were

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<v Speaker 6>alive and that in the absence of finding them somewhere

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<v Speaker 6>alive or dead, investigators should be urgently focused on finding them.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, there's a big difference in urgency when looking

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<v Speaker 6>for someone alive versus looking for bodies. So we published

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<v Speaker 6>a first interview in which they expressed frustration at the

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<v Speaker 6>total lack of information from investigators and judicial authorities. Authorities

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't share any information at all, none. They wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 6>tell them how many investigators were working on the case.

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<v Speaker 6>When they ask investigators questions like well, what are your

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<v Speaker 6>hypothesis at the moment, they were getting frustrating answers like

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<v Speaker 6>quote anything as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Two. I asked them what the parents' principal criticisms were

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<v Speaker 2>of police at the time.

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<v Speaker 7>For example, July's father, Jo Willishan said quote, we can't help,

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<v Speaker 7>but I feel that investigators aren't up to the task

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<v Speaker 7>and that they're not the specialists in missing persons that

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<v Speaker 7>wou'd expect to work with on a case like this.

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<v Speaker 6>And indeed, there were other things their phoned bizarre, for

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<v Speaker 6>example that after two months of investigation, they had even

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<v Speaker 6>finished confessing the neighborhood, and it wasn't until after fifteen

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<v Speaker 6>days that the girls went missing that they even interviewed

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<v Speaker 6>their fathers about they wereabouts. At the time of their disappearances.

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<v Speaker 6>They had the impression that the case wasn't being handled

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<v Speaker 6>correctly and with a sufficient degree of urgency.

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<v Speaker 2>I also spoke to a famous radio and television journalist

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<v Speaker 2>at the time named Jose Dessar about his work to

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<v Speaker 2>help give parents a voice in the media. Jose's program,

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<v Speaker 2>called Fey de Vere was somewhat like a Belgian equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of Dateline NBC in the United States. I asked him

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<v Speaker 2>about the show on which he invited Julian Melissa's parents.

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<v Speaker 4>City real Need. I brought together the parents and the

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<v Speaker 4>authorities who did been criticizing face to face. The parents

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<v Speaker 4>had a sense of conviction and urgency that clashed with

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<v Speaker 4>a slowness of judicial authorities. You have to note that

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<v Speaker 4>the judge appointed to oversee the investigation left for a

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<v Speaker 4>five week vacation a few days after being appointed, and

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<v Speaker 4>then five alternate judges juggle the case in her absence

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<v Speaker 4>without much efficiency. And so the first reaction of the

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<v Speaker 4>parents was that the case wasn't being probably followed and

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<v Speaker 4>that there wasn't a coherent investigations. Indeed, they were interviewed

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<v Speaker 4>by local police and then federal police came and asked

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<v Speaker 4>the same questions. They realized there wasn't proper coordination between juridictions,

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<v Speaker 4>and on the show they were asking the Attorney General

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<v Speaker 4>directly to start sharing information with them. Two and a

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<v Speaker 4>half months after the disappearance, they were pleading for access

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<v Speaker 4>to the case file and direct corporation with authorities. There

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<v Speaker 4>were two moments in the debates that stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 4>The first was when Melissa's father looked at an Attorney

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<v Speaker 4>general in the eye and said, you don't want us

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<v Speaker 4>to have access to the file, but these are our girls.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not wards of the state. In Another moment was

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<v Speaker 4>when Melissa's mother said, during all these discussions all of

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<v Speaker 4>this back and forth. Our girls are suffering, So there

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<v Speaker 4>was a sense of urgency from the parents in the

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<v Speaker 4>face of a sort of lackness and efficiency of the

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<v Speaker 4>judicial system. It was flagrant.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, the summer of nineteen ninety six dragged on without progress.

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<v Speaker 2>Sabine's disappearance was a complete mystery. There were no leads, sightings,

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<v Speaker 2>or anything at all to go on. And then on

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<v Speaker 2>August ninth, another girl disappeared. It was the height of

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<v Speaker 2>summer in the beautiful Ardennes region in the south of Belgium.

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<v Speaker 2>At that time of the year, the Ardennes was full

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<v Speaker 2>of campers, cyclists, and outdoor enthusiasts enjoying nature. In the

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<v Speaker 2>quaint village of Berthrie, fourteen year old Letitia Dalles spent

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<v Speaker 2>the day of August ninth helping her mother with clean

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<v Speaker 2>and shopping. At around seven thirty pm, Letitia and her

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<v Speaker 2>sister walked to the local pool and playground, where they'd

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<v Speaker 2>frequently hang out with local friends on lazy summer evenings.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite its clement weather, Belgium is at about the same

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<v Speaker 2>latitude as Winnipeg and Canada, so the sun doesn't set

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<v Speaker 2>until around nine thirty pm. In early August, Letitia hung

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<v Speaker 2>out with some friends until around eight forty five pm

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<v Speaker 2>and then left for the short walk back home. She

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing a blue and white flowered blouse and tennis shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>When she didn't show up at home a bit later,

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<v Speaker 2>her sister and mother walked all around town looking for her.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't find Letitia, and they were immediately worried and

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<v Speaker 2>went to the police. Unlike past disappearances, the police and

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<v Speaker 2>judicial system jumped into action right away. Police started interview

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<v Speaker 2>viewing locals and Bertrie immediately to try to piece together

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<v Speaker 2>a timeline and find witnesses of anything suspicious leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to the disappearance. The provincial King's Prosecutor, Michel Bourlat, traveled

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<v Speaker 2>to Bertrie in person the next morning and immediately started

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<v Speaker 2>coordinating with local and national police. Michel Bourlat is probably

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<v Speaker 2>the most well known prosecutor in the history of Belgium.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live through these times here, you certainly know

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<v Speaker 2>who he is and remember seeing him on television a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Through a bit of luck and a lot of persistence,

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<v Speaker 2>I convinced him to speak with me for this project.

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<v Speaker 2>My co producer Thomas and I traveled down to the

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<v Speaker 2>south of Belgium to meet with him at his home.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a warm day in mid June and we

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<v Speaker 2>settled down on his back porch, overlooking a plentiful garden

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<v Speaker 2>backed up by rolling hills in thick pine forest. In

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<v Speaker 2>true Belgian style, he started off by offering me a

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<v Speaker 2>cold beer and got one for himself as well. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a great start to affact needing interview.

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<v Speaker 8>It was a Saturday morning and I was here at

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<v Speaker 8>home getting ready to do some gardening, and around nine

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<v Speaker 8>am the phone rang and Captain Ballar informed me that

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<v Speaker 8>a fourteen year old girl went missing the previous evening

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<v Speaker 8>in the village of bare Tree, Abertrie Lave. The girl

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<v Speaker 8>had left the swimming pool at nine pm and hadn't

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<v Speaker 8>come home afterwards immediate. The way from the pool to

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<v Speaker 8>her house was about a ten to fifteen minute walk

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<v Speaker 8>through the village and the town square. Her mother reported

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<v Speaker 8>it to the police, who started investigating right away. They

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<v Speaker 8>searched the route she would have taken in the area

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<v Speaker 8>around it. They didn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Sending a thief done.

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<v Speaker 8>Captain Ballar considered the disap appearance is worrying, okay, I said,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm on my way.

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<v Speaker 5>You need to see.

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<v Speaker 8>Bertrie is ten minutes away, so I showed up right away.

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<v Speaker 8>Captain ball Ar explained the search they'd made, and then

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<v Speaker 8>mister Delouz arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>Dulouze Mister.

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<v Speaker 8>Mister Deluze is a man who had lost his daughter

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<v Speaker 8>four years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Philip Dulouze was the father of a sixteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>girl named Lawrence Matthews, who disappeared and was then found

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<v Speaker 2>dead in nineteen ninety two. When she was found, her

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<v Speaker 2>body was identified as that of a drug addict who

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<v Speaker 2>had gone missing, only to reappear the day before her

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<v Speaker 2>own funeral. Sadly, mister Deluze learned that the misidentified body

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<v Speaker 2>was that of his daughter. He spent over twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>trying to identify her killer, and was even accused of

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<v Speaker 2>the murder himself. He was at the scene in Bertrie

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<v Speaker 2>with an organization called the Mark and Korean Association dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>to finding missing children. This association was also active at

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<v Speaker 2>the time in the search for Julian, Melissa and Anne

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<v Speaker 2>and Effia, who had recently gone missing. Mister de Luz's

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<v Speaker 2>first reaction was that of surprise to see a king's

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor on site so shortly after this new disappearance. It

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<v Speaker 2>was very uncommon for high level magistrates to roll up

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<v Speaker 2>their sleeves and jump into action so quickly on a

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<v Speaker 2>missing person's case. But if there's one thing I learned

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<v Speaker 2>during my meeting with Michelle Boulet is that he's anything

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<v Speaker 2>but common. He exhibits a rare combination of humility, compassion,

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<v Speaker 2>and the gruff determination of a steely prosecutor. King's prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Boulet.

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<v Speaker 8>Deluze had come to get a photo of Letitia as

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<v Speaker 8>part of his work with the Mark and Krinn Association,

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<v Speaker 8>started by the parents of other missing or murdered children.

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<v Speaker 8>They were there to help authorities by printing and distributing

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<v Speaker 8>missing children posters lap At that time, I was conscious

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<v Speaker 8>of the Julian Melissa case and all the problems the

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<v Speaker 8>parents had had with judicial authorities. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 8>fall into all those shortcomings I had perceived and which

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<v Speaker 8>Julian Melissa's parents had talked about in the media, the

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<v Speaker 8>distrust and lack of empathy and information. So I was

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<v Speaker 8>also there to meet directly with Letitious parents. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 8>in my ivory tower or off playing golf somewhere. I

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<v Speaker 8>was there to show them that we were concerned and

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<v Speaker 8>that we were there to help them. In the evening,

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<v Speaker 8>I stopped by the station again for an update. A

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<v Speaker 8>volunteer who had come from far away said he thought

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<v Speaker 8>he'd seen Letitia coming from Blancherie, so on my way

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<v Speaker 8>home I made a detour to Blancherie and searched for

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<v Speaker 8>about half an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really starting to like Michelle Bourlet. It's rare for

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<v Speaker 2>a King's prosecutor to visit the side of a disappearance,

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<v Speaker 2>and even rarer for him to jump in his car

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<v Speaker 2>and start searching himself. Unlike in previous disappearances, this investigation

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<v Speaker 2>got the attention it deserved. Within a day, both local

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<v Speaker 2>and federal police were all over it. Boulet quickly enlisted

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<v Speaker 2>an investigating judge to oversee the case. Police and local

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<v Speaker 2>authorities were getting support from local volunteers and the Mark

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<v Speaker 2>and Karna Association, who were printing and distributing missing Persons flyers.

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<v Speaker 2>While canvassing the area, they spoke to a nun named

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<v Speaker 2>sister Etienne, who claimed to have seen a suspicious looking

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<v Speaker 2>van near the swimming pool on Friday evening. In her statement,

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<v Speaker 2>she said the van was parked near the pool and

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<v Speaker 2>she noticed it because it was clunky and loud, with

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of stickers in the lateral rear window. Police

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<v Speaker 2>were also interviewing all family members and friends. Letitia's sister

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<v Speaker 2>said that one of her friends named Virginie, thought she

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<v Speaker 2>had seen Letitia before the disappearance with a group of

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<v Speaker 2>young people, including a girl she knew named Kathy. They

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<v Speaker 2>spoke with Visionie, who confirmed that she thought that she'd

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<v Speaker 2>seen Kathy with Letitia that evening, but when they tracked

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<v Speaker 2>down Kathy, she said that she hadn't seen Leticia at

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<v Speaker 2>all that evening. However, Kathy did mention that she saw

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<v Speaker 2>a man that she didn't recognize enter the pool complex

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<v Speaker 2>to use the restrooms that evening. She said her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>also saw this man, so police then interviewed Kathy's boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Waugh. He said he recalled seeing the man but

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't remember anything about his appearance. After thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>ben wa said that he did see a beat up

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<v Speaker 2>looking van that evening, parked on the sidewalk facing the pool.

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<v Speaker 2>It was white with stickers covering up the back lateral windows. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>King's prosecutor, Michel Boulet Ressoir.

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<v Speaker 8>That evening, when I went back to the station in

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<v Speaker 8>bear Tree, Major Giessar told me that they had something

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<v Speaker 8>new and so then he told me about sister Etienne's testimony,

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<v Speaker 8>which I knew about, and then about a new testimony.

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<v Speaker 8>As luck would have it, the young man who had

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<v Speaker 8>given us information on Monday, I thought he remembered part

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<v Speaker 8>of a license plate number. He gave us the make

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<v Speaker 8>of the car, the model of the car, and the

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<v Speaker 8>beginning of a license plate number.

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<v Speaker 2>The young man Ben Wi Tino, actually remembered the make, model,

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<v Speaker 2>and first three letters of the license plate of the

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<v Speaker 2>van he'd seen three days prior. He said he'd memorize

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<v Speaker 2>the license plate because he was worried the occupants of

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<v Speaker 2>this junkie van might steal his bicycle. As luck would

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<v Speaker 2>have it, Ben waugh all So was a car buff

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<v Speaker 2>and he remembered that it was a Renault Traffique model.

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<v Speaker 2>It shows the importance of thoroughly following every lead and

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to every possible witness. If you think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a coincidence that they even spoke to Benoit. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>that they interviewed him because a friend of a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of Letitia's sister had noticed a man in the pool restrooms,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said that Benois might also remember him, and

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<v Speaker 2>the van came up randomly. At the end of the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Investigators perked up at Benois's description of the suspicious van

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<v Speaker 2>because it was similar to what the nun sister at

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<v Speaker 2>Tienne had seen. A lot has happened since the start

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<v Speaker 2>of this episode, so let's summarize the facts at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>In May nineteen ninety six, Sabine Darden went missing near

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<v Speaker 2>Tournay in the west of Belgium. There were no witnesses

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<v Speaker 2>or clues about what happened to her. Three months later,

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<v Speaker 2>yet another girl, Letitia da Les, disappeared from Bertier, about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty miles east from where Sabine went missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Investigating this latest disappearance, police uncovered an interesting tip, corroborated

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<v Speaker 2>by two separate witnesses, about a suspicious looking van spotted

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<v Speaker 2>near where Letitia was last seen. By chance, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the witnesses who saw the van was able to recall

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<v Speaker 2>the make, model, and first three letters of the license plate.

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<v Speaker 2>The first three letters of the license plate he remembered

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<v Speaker 2>were fr R. Police quickly ran a search of all

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<v Speaker 2>Renault vehicles in Belgium with a license plate starting with

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<v Speaker 2>fr R. The query gave them seventy seven hits. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>police had something concrete in serious cases in Belgium, and

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<v Speaker 2>investigating judge is brought in to carry out pre trial investigations.

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<v Speaker 2>Boulet wasted no time in soliciting an investigating judge, Jean

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<v Speaker 2>Marc Conrad, who jumped straight into the case with Gusto.

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<v Speaker 2>It had been four days since the disappearance of Letitia Michelle.

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<v Speaker 2>Boulet in his investigating judge Jean Mark Conrad knew the

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<v Speaker 2>time was of the essence. They knew it was now

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<v Speaker 2>or never. Next time on La Montre.

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<v Speaker 8>Monsieur, the agent van Rillard ran a search in his

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<v Speaker 8>computer and several names come back, one of which was

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<v Speaker 8>a certain to true. I asked, who's this guy? He

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<v Speaker 8>was someone very interesting and had been under surveillance for

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<v Speaker 8>a year then by the Gendarmerie of Chalarroois.

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<v Speaker 3>If you read the report of doctor Denesse, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>I've done in my career. He was already at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of his career at the time that he was

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<v Speaker 3>coming to testify in court about the report that he

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<v Speaker 3>made on margin, and I said, I've done about four

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<v Speaker 3>thousands of these expertises, you know, in investigations towards the

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<v Speaker 3>personality of somebody else, that I never met anybody so

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<v Speaker 3>close to one hundred percent psychopath. He says, if I

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<v Speaker 3>have to put something or another, I think he must

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<v Speaker 3>be about ninety seven percent right. But the strange thing

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<v Speaker 3>is that it is exactly the one thing of feelings

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<v Speaker 3>that he had left that became his downfall, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is that Pride.

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<v Speaker 2>The Monster is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeartRadio,

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