1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: M Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my trusted colleague 3 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: West hod Kowitz. Were coming to you here from our 4 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. First, I have to 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: start by apologizing to our viewers and listeners out there 6 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: because I did not give anyone a heads up that 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: we were not going to have a Monday show after 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: coming back from Los Angeles because our producer Marvin was 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: traveling and not available to produce a show. So I 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: apologize for not letting everyone know that in advance. But 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: it is Tuesday. Here we are. We are back from 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: l A to review the Packers loss to the l 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: A Chargers to eleven. It was flat out, West aid dud. 14 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: It was the worst performance by the Green Bay Packers 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen by quite a considerable margin, and this is 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: one that the Packers clearly need to learn from, but 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: also just flush it and move on exactly. I think 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: that's the mentality you have to have. You have to 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: focus on the Carolina Panthers. Panthers this Sunday, excuse me, 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: with this game at Lambolefield and getting into the week 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: eleven by as healthy as you can be. To rest 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: up that being said originally from the beginning, I said, 23 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: if if the Packers were to split, This is even 24 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: when we weren't sure if Mahomes was gonna play, the 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Packers split Kansas City and they split at the l 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: A Chargers. I think everyone would have been happy if 27 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: this would have been a relatively you know, competitive game, 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a high scoring affair, which I originally 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: predicted it to be. You know, maybe even then people 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: be happy. But let's be honest, Mike, when when you 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: go into that type of environment, you have that sort 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: of you know, fan interest behind you on in a 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: road setting, you know, everything seemed to be set for 34 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: the Packers to have a solid performance, and it just 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: didn't come together. The fast starts we've talked about, it 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: wasn't there. The strong finishes we talked about, it wasn't there. 37 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: They got back into an issue with third and longs. 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur talked about it. You know, they basically weren't 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: able to run their game plan. They were stuck in 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: a two minute offense for most of this one and 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: a week after getting the ball into Aaron Jones and 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams hands as much as they did against Kansas City, 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: they just were unable to do that against the Chargers. 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: And while the defense did keep the minute by keeping 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: l A out of the end zone, it still was 46 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: too many yards, too much production, not enough takeaways. And 47 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers finally got that elusive victory over the Green 48 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Yeah, and and the Chargers as a franchise 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: their first victory over the Packers and only their second victory. 50 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: And I believe it's twelve games that the Packers and 51 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Chargers as franchises have met up. So, as you said, 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: the defense kept the Packers in it. Initially they were 53 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: giving up too many yards and still the big plays 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: a problem. The Packers have got to figure out a 55 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: way to fix this. They were just allowing field goals 56 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: early on, and for everything that had gone wrong in 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: the first half, it was only nine to nothing, Packers 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: were getting the ball coming out a halftime. He just 59 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: felt one spark was maybe all that was needed to 60 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: get things going. One scoring drive would have changed at 61 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: nine to nothing, would have changed the look of the 62 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: game completely, and it just never happened for the Packers. 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: And then as the second half war On, the special 64 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: team started to make some mistakes with the block pon 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: and the off sides on the field goal, and the 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: defense was clearly wearing down because the offense was not 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: able to sustain anything and give them any breaks and 68 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: give them any opportunity to to get back in the game. 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: Nobody was able to make that momentum turning that potential 70 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: game changing play and UH as a result, the Packers 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: really took one on the chin. We like to say 72 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: in this game West that sometimes it's not who you play, 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: it's when you play him. And I think we talked 74 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: last week about how that missed field goal in Chicago 75 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: that might have been the worst thing to happen to 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers heading into this game, because it 77 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: gave the Chargers life. If the Chargers are two and 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: six with them with Eddie Pinneo making that kick in Chicago, 79 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: you just wonder if they come out with the life 80 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: and the enthusiasm and everything that they had. I don't know. 81 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a week to week league, we know that, 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: but but I talked all week about how the Chargers 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: got a reprieve when Pinero missed that kick, and this 84 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: to me, looked like a team that is ready to 85 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: seize on that opportunity to get back to being the 86 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: team they were last year, and the Packers simply weren't 87 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: able to match whatever intensity and drive and dedication and 88 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: everything that the Chargers had to make the most of 89 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: their opportunity. Yeah, you said it perfectly, and and the 90 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: fact of the matter is right now there, you know, 91 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: two games out from their division lade there, they're still 92 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: on Kansas City's coattails and they're trying to make a run. 93 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: Here the two things that I look at this matchup. 94 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: I said it on frid Day when you and I 95 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: did our Keys to victory in not only the show, 96 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: but in final thoughts, and I even said, I'm gonna 97 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: keep it even simpler than you kept it. I said, 98 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: you need to pressure Philip Rivers and you need to 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: turn the ball over. Packers didn't pressure Philip Rivers enough 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: and they didn't turn over the football. And there was 101 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: someone who mentioned, well, why didn't they blitz more? And 102 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: I pointed, and I had a feeling about this, But 103 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: then I also pointed to UH pro Football Focus and 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: one of the stats that they had going into this 105 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: one are coming out of it was this season, Philip 106 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: Rivers is a hundred and twenty passer rating against the 107 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: Blitz's five passer rating against everything else, He's a hundred 108 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: twenty pass rating against the Blitz. I don't want to 109 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: draw any more parallels between him and Drew Brees, but 110 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: in many ways they are very similar players. Breeze probably 111 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: makes fewer mistakes, but they get the ball out quickly, 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: they're decisive with it, and you know they hit their 113 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: hot route. If you do send somebody, they get their 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: hot read going. So I don't think that would have 115 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: done anything. But the problem was is that with even strength, 116 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: they didn't get on Philip Rivers enough, and there were 117 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: just too many breakdowns and lapses in the secondary in 118 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: terms of coverage and not being able to to wrap 119 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: guys up when and have those explosive plays that the 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Packers were trying to avoid. And then, ultimately, the biggest 121 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: shift I thought you saw with this particular Chargers team 122 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: without Ken wizzen Hunt is they did there was more 123 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: dedication towards running the ball. And we'll see if that 124 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: continues on or if that was just a reaction to 125 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: the Packers. But I was gonna say it is. It 126 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: is easy to be stay dedicated to the running game 127 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: when you're up nine to nothing, you're up twelve to enough, 128 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: and you're up nineteen to nothing. I mean, so, yes, 129 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: there there was dedication to that running game early on. 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: But also the bottom line is early in the game, 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: the Chargers were sustaining drives. They kept moving the chains, 132 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: and the best way to allow yourself to be dedicated 133 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: to a running game is to continue to be in 134 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: first and ten and and when the Charges continued to 135 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: move the chains and get into first down, they were 136 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: doing exactly what they wanted to. And other than some 137 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: of those stops in the red zone to four field goals, 138 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: the Packers just couldn't get off the field. And then 139 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: on the flip side, you know the offense wasn't able 140 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: to get anything going to give that defensive break, and 141 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: you know that this this game just started going downhill 142 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: from the beginning, and and nobody was able to stop 143 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: that snowball. No. And that was the frustrating part about 144 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: it is because it's it's almost like it was sort 145 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: of a mirage a little bit, like you thought you 146 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: were right there and you just need to get that score. 147 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: You need to get that long drive and you'd be 148 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: right back in this ballgame, and it never appeared for 149 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: the Packers. And then certainly the backbreaker was the block J. K. 150 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Scott field punt in the third quarter. That's where the 151 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: Chargers finally end up scoring their first touchdown or that, 152 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: and then the Packers get a stand late and the 153 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: Charges end up scoring a touchdown after that in an 154 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: offsides penalty. They just did enough good things and I 155 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: gotta give Anthony Lynn a lot of credit. I mean, 156 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: that team was there to play. They made a changed 157 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: offensive play caller. It seemed like the guys responded to 158 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: that well. But you know, the Packers were seven and 159 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: one for a reason. I know they talked about being sluggish, 160 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: they talked about tired. I think if the Packers are 161 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: are playing to their capabilities, that's a team they beat. 162 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: But as we've seen with the sixteen game regular season schedule, Mike, 163 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: there's gonna be these episodes every once in a while 164 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: where there's a letdown. The key for Green Bay here 165 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: now facing the Panthers, and we'll preview them later this week, 166 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: but they were on the road against an uncommon opponent. 167 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: You lost by fifteen as much as that hurts, and 168 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: then as many different areas that they need to shore 169 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: up here to beat a very good and surging Carolina 170 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: Panthers team, you do have to getting back to your 171 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: original point, sort of flush what happened, because you can't 172 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: let it domino in pool going into that bye week. 173 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: You need to come and get that victory against the 174 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Panthers and be eight and two going into the by Yeah, 175 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: it's that old adage that you can't let one game 176 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: beat you twice, right, And that's kind of where the 177 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: Packers are right now. I've been feeling for the last 178 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: few weeks that the Packers on the defensive side of 179 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: the ball, they need to get to the bye week. 180 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: They need to they need to have the week off, 181 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: just be able to take a breather, get off their 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: feet eat. Now it feels like with what we saw 183 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: on Sunday in Los Angeles, the whole team is kind 184 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: of at that point. But you've got one more game. 185 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: You've got to give everything you've got into this last 186 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: game before the bye week, and and you know, if 187 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: there's one thing maybe that comes out of not just 188 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: getting beat and getting beat in the fashion that the 189 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: Packers did is that nobody's going to be too focused 190 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: on the bye week. The focus is going to be 191 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: on the Carolina Panthers because they know they can. They 192 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: can put everything they have into that game and then 193 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: they get the long awaited rest. So it's something the 194 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: Packers need to take advantage of. But you said it, 195 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: the Panthers. The Panthers are in They were in a 196 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: very similar situation a week ago. They went to San Francisco. 197 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: Everybody was wearying. Okay, let's see how good the Panthers 198 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: are and they got it handed to him by the 199 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: forty niners. What what do they do? They regroup, They 200 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: bounce back. Playing a pretty formidable Tennessee team at home 201 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: this past weekend. They took care of in this. They 202 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: got to win. They got themselves back on track. They're 203 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: back in the conversation um for the NFC playoff picture. 204 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: And that's the team that the Panthers are bringing to 205 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: lambeau Field. Here. So a lot of a lot of 206 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: interesting circumstances to look at, but the bottom line is, yes, 207 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: this Packers, Packers team needs the bye week, but they've 208 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: got a huge challenge in front of him. I I 209 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: call this this week against the Carolina Panthers so far 210 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen is the biggest challenge the Packers are 211 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: going to face. Yea, and there are because of all 212 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: the circumstances that are surrounding it right now. Absolutely. I 213 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: mean the fact that you only have three more home 214 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: games in your regular season schedule and you have the 215 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners staring at you after that bye week. Uh. 216 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: The one thing that was interesting about the Panthers I 217 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: thought really speaks well to them is the fact that, 218 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, Kyle Allen has the worst game of his career, 219 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, after getting off to that fast start, being 220 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: a good game manager, protecting the football. San Francisco obliterates that. 221 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: But then he came back. I mean, let's be honest, 222 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean Christian McCaffrey, and again, well we'll preview this 223 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: later in the week. He's the biggest playmaker. He's arguably 224 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: the biggest playmak in the NFL right now. You have 225 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: to get the ball in his hands. Alan succeeded at that, 226 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: and they got the response that they wanted. The thing 227 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: that actually strikes me I was, I was driving home 228 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: after the game we we landed, I'm on Highway forty 229 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: one going northbound, and I'm trying to kind of process 230 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: everything that had happened, because I think there's been some 231 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: guys that mentioned I mean, there's feeling that the Packers 232 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: never even like not necessarily got off the bus. But 233 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: you just had this like there's an indecisiveness or just 234 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: there was felt like there was no resolution at all. 235 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: I felt like they went out there and you know, 236 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: they did the walk through and we never really played 237 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: the game. And I'm processing this in my mind and 238 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: I started kind of snicker to myself, like we made 239 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: such a big deal out of you know, you have 240 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the Detroit coming off the by and Oakland coming off 241 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: there by and in Kansas City off a mini buy, 242 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: and then what's the team that ends up kind of 243 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: knocking the Packers off the pedestal The Chargers, who I 244 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: think have the last buy. I mean like they they're 245 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: they're playing every game here too. Uh. And that's it 246 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: shows you how this league works and the things that 247 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: you think might make sense, they really don't. And I 248 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: look at this matchup now with where the Packers are 249 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: at the one positive, you know, and we're gonna have 250 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: to see what Wednesday's practice looks like but that was 251 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: one of the first games that I can remember, Mike 252 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: that there wasn't even an injury designation. There wasn't anyone 253 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: that was questionable or out or anything during the game. 254 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Nobody left with anything. Now that still can mean there 255 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: can be some guys here, but there was nothing devastating. 256 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: The Packers suffered. So while I believe a lot of it, 257 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side, they're they're worn down a 258 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: little bit. It looks like they're gonna have most, if 259 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: not everyone available for this game against the Panthers. I 260 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: wrote about an insider inbox today. You have to dig deep. Now, 261 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: you have to put everything into this game and then 262 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: after that have that one week sort of sabbatical, because 263 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: as difficult as that was, and as tired as I 264 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: know these guys are, you would be even more tired 265 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: if you had a week four or five by and 266 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: then you got to play eleven twelve opponents consecutively to 267 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: finish the season. The Packers still are sitting in a 268 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: good spot, but you've got to keep that lead in 269 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: the division, especially after all three NFC North team's loss 270 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: last weekend. 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Okay, So 276 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: first I want to say Matt Lafleur did say on 277 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: Monday that the Packers are going to examine everything that 278 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: went into this West Coast road trip, because as we've mentioned, 279 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: there's one coming up out to San Francisco after the 280 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: bye week, so everything from the travel schedule to the 281 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: walk through the day before the game too, the game plan, 282 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: the play calling on both sides of all everything, they're 283 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: gonna examine everything that went wrong with us. I think 284 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: that's that if there's going to be a priority number 285 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: one bye week project for the coaching staff and football administration, 286 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: that might be it. But that being said, the focus 287 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: now is on where the Packers stand and the Carolina 288 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: Panthers coming in. And you can look at this. You 289 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: can look at the loss to the Chargers one of 290 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: two ways. Either it was the best week to lose 291 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: a game because everybody else in the NFC North lost, 292 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: or it was a huge missed opportunity because by the 293 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: time the Packers game kicked off in l A, the 294 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: Vikings had lost on a walk off field goal in 295 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: Kansas City, the Bears had lost after another dismal offensive 296 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: performance and hum and their fourth straight loss, I believe 297 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: for Chicago and then Um. While the Packers were playing, 298 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: the Lions also lost out on the West Coast in Oakland. 299 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: So I missed opportunity for sure. The Packers could have 300 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: given themselves a two game lead over Minnesota with seven 301 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: games to play. That didn't happen. You're seven and two, 302 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: the Vikings are six and three. The Bears and Lions 303 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: now are both sub five hundreds. So as you said, 304 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: the Packers are in a good spot. So now you 305 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: just you go from here. I'm a bird in the 306 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: hand kind of guy. You know that, probably better than anybody. 307 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: I still always will look at it as nothing was gained, 308 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: nothing was lost. I don't look at it as a 309 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: missed opportunity because again, it's not like they were taking 310 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: on San Francisco. It's not like they had all these 311 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: implications to this game. You lost. You lost to a 312 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: what team that you and I all week long last 313 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: week we're saying was a good a f A team, 314 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: even if their record didn't say it. And the rest 315 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: of the division lost. Kansas City did what I think 316 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: everyone thought Kansas City should do, especially if Patrick Mahomes 317 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: would have played. And you know, Chicago is in a 318 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: tail spin right now. And this schedule, I mean, it 319 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: was funny. You're right, it was four consecutive losses. Look 320 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: at the schedule coming up for Chicago to Lions, Rams, Giants, 321 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: Lions again, Dallas, Green Bay, Kansas City in Minnesota to 322 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: finish out the season. That is gonna be a tough 323 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: stretch for Mattnegie's crew, um to me, and I'm not 324 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: looking past anybody, because I think Detroit has showed you 325 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: they can play with anybody. But this is about min 326 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: of soda now. And you were watching the end of 327 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: that game against Kansas City and how that all unfolded, 328 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: considering how tight that was late, I think, because you 329 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: can only live in one world, right, there's no butterfly 330 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: effects here. The Packers loss in Minnesota, lost to a 331 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: good Kansas City team that we saw a week ago. 332 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: I just my vision, my vantage point of this is 333 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: that you survived, you advanced, and now you gotta try 334 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: to get another win here against Carolina. Yeah. Absolutely, I 335 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: mean the picture, the picture in the NFC um continues 336 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: to be very top heavy. The forty Niners are undefeated, 337 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: the only remaining undefeated team in the NFL after the 338 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: New England Patriots lost on Sunday Night football in Baltimore. 339 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: The Saints, who were on the by this past week, 340 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: they have one loss. The Seattle Seahawks. They were at 341 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: home against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a team a lot 342 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: of people thought, Okay, Russell Wilson will just, you know, 343 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: tear these guys apart. And Russell Wilson did. He threw 344 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: five touchdown passes, but it took overtime for the Seattle 345 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: Seahawks to pull out that game. So the Seahawk still 346 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: have two losses. The Packers have two losses, the Vikings 347 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: have three, the Panthers have three. They're coming in to 348 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: lambeau Field. This is uh um, It just it feels 349 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: like this whole NFC race is just getting started. And 350 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: this Packers Panthers game here is one that uh could 351 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: definitely have some significant implications down the road in December 352 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: when we start looking at the bigger picture as things 353 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: get closer to UH to D Day. So you want 354 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: to talk about a take care of business week, and 355 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: and again we'll preview all these games on Friday, but 356 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: this is the week where the Packers can gain ground. 357 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: You have San Francisco that has to host Seattle in 358 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: Sunday night foot or Monday night football. Excuse me, it 359 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: might be the best Monday night football game in the 360 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: last ten years, to be quite honest with you. UH 361 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: Minnesota has to go to Dallas. So either way that's 362 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: a division opponent or that's a team that could potentially 363 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: be in the run for a wild card spot. Detroit 364 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: and the Bears get to beat up on each other. 365 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: This is I think that's one of the reason is 366 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: why I see this as a game where the Packers 367 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: really needed to do something because if you do get 368 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: a win this week, there's gonna be teams that lost 369 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: or potentially would have a tie that are just gonna 370 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: mount just based on the attrition of these matchups. So 371 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be some shifting going on regardless. So 372 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: not only would it be a win that could get 373 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: you to eight and two. It's a win that pushes 374 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: back a potential wild card threat in the Carolina Panthers, 375 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: a potential seating threat in the Panthers. So that that's 376 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that jumps off the page to me. 377 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm very curious though, you know, when you look at 378 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: Minnesota in that game that they had against Kansas City, 379 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to say they threw their best shot 380 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: at them, because, you know, Matt Moore, you're dealing with 381 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: the backup quarterback. There are certain adverse situations they were 382 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: dealing with there. But Kansas City did what Kansas City does. 383 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: They use their speed and they used opportune you know, 384 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: plays like the Damian Williams run to make things happen 385 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: for themselves. And that's why they're going to be in 386 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: the thick of this thing. There's no unblemished team for 387 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: the most part. San Francisco is gonna get tested on 388 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: Monday night, New England. As we said all last week, 389 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: that was going to be a matchup where okay, where 390 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: are the Patriots right now? Lamar Jackson showed they're not infallible. 391 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: So I just fans, and I saw my Twitter timeline, 392 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: I saw my mentions anytime I tweeted something out during 393 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: that game on Sunday, they're they're so like, it's funny, 394 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: you can you can play this game for a hundred seasons, right, 395 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: And everyone always believes that if you lose and you 396 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: lose ugly, you're the worst team on Earth, and if 397 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: you win and you win big, you're the best, greatest team. 398 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: And it's mind boggling to me, right And I And 399 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I said in in the live 400 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 1: blog during the game. I believe I did. And I 401 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: said it again. I believe in insider inbox that I 402 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: was writing on the plane flight coming back. You have 403 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: to remember, in this league, you are never as good 404 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: as your best game, and you are never as bad 405 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: as your worst game. Everybody is somewhere in between and 406 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: there every every team has at least one and a 407 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: lot of times at least two just clunkers that they 408 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: that that it happens. It happens to everybody in this league. 409 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: And that's why the whole you know, it's not who 410 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: you play, it's when you play them. Thing kind of 411 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: comes in to play here too. I've seen a lot 412 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: of fans, a lot of the fans who were writing 413 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: into Insider inbox and whatnot looking at it from the 414 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: other side, saying, Okay, now the Packers are the wounded 415 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: animal the Panthers. The Panthers are the team that you 416 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: know that should have some trepidation here because they're coming 417 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: into lambeau Field. The Packers are looking their wounds a 418 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: little bit. And uh. And I think the fact that 419 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: the Packers have the bye week coming up right after 420 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: this one, I think can work to Green Bay's advantage 421 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: here in the preparation for this, for this Panthers game, 422 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: so we can talk about those kinds of circumstances, you know, 423 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: all day long, all week long. I think this one 424 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: on Sunday at Lambo is going to be a really, 425 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: really good football game. No doubt in the good teams. 426 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: How they become elite. As I wrote today in inbox 427 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: is you have to bounce back from these. You have 428 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: to get back on the horse. You have to start 429 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: winning games again. Everyone loses. I'll close on this. Who 430 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: were the Super Bowl champions last year? Mike? Would you 431 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: be so kind as to inform you of that that 432 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: game was the New England Patriots against the Los Angeles Ranks. Okay, 433 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: and who prevailed the New England Patriots. Here's who the 434 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: New England Patriots lost to last year during the regular season. Jacksonville, Detroit, Tennessee. 435 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: They lost to Miami four to thirty three, and then 436 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: they lost a good game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Everybody 437 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: has those games. How you really truly separate yourself and 438 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: prove that you can be a contending team is how 439 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: you bounce back. The Green Bay Packers need to ensure 440 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: themselves of a non losing season on Sunday with their 441 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: eighth victory against the Carolina Panthers. That's the only way 442 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: to do it, all right, And with that we will 443 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: call it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. 444 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 445 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot com. You can subscribe to us 446 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: and like us on iTunes and other podcast services. 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