Speaker 1: Huge pod.
Speaker 2: Today we got coach Bo Polini on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't apologize for you. I don't apologize anybody.
Speaker 3: The most, the most decorated coach we've ever had. In
Speaker 3: the podcast, what's one of.
Speaker 1: Your crazier recruiting stories? Tell the porn one.
Speaker 3: Tell me about your experience as well, like recruiting him
Speaker 3: no offense? But is this guy douche?
Speaker 1: So you think you'll ever coach college again? I think
Speaker 1: signing days Absin said, we come to the sideline and
Speaker 1: Bo's just fuman.
Speaker 4: I mean, now, all the years you've known me, do
Speaker 4: you think that I would pay a letter?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not in this chair without all of
Speaker 1: that stuff, without all of those hard teachings.
Speaker 4: Next thing, you know, Deonne had him by basically by
Speaker 4: the throat, up against the wall, saying.
Speaker 2: One weekday morning I have a miscall from Bo at
Speaker 2: like six in the morning.
Speaker 4: Play Virginia Attack. They turn around. I look at him
Speaker 4: and he's looking to be and I said.
Speaker 1: You ready to go? And he's like, hm, well didn't
Speaker 1: you like when you were there? What do you thought
Speaker 1: Bo could have done better at Nebraska?
Speaker 2: If I could speak candidly? Okay, welcome to another episode
Speaker 2: of Busting with the Boys. I am your host Will Compton,
Speaker 2: my co host Harol Lawan. He's not here for these
Speaker 2: for this intro and these ads I'm gonna be reading
Speaker 2: in the episode the Boys at training Camp. We're dropping
Speaker 2: the bau Polini podcast. This podcast is incredible. Coach bo
Speaker 2: Polini for those of you who don't know who he is,
Speaker 2: he was my head coach at Nebraska from years two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight to twenty and thirteen. He was at Nebraska
Speaker 2: from two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Man he was only there.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was there from twousand and eight twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: and then he was there from two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. But he's made stops. He's been in the
Speaker 2: coaching world. A very respected coach, highly regarded. Had a
Speaker 2: rough year this past year as a decorner at LSU
Speaker 2: building an insurance policy. It was during a pandemic. And
Speaker 2: you know, I love coach Posta. Please don't talk too
Speaker 2: mainly about him ever, but this was an awesome podcast.
Speaker 1: It was. It's really it was. It was.
Speaker 2: It's awesome because the last time I had sat down
Speaker 2: with coach bow and talked to him was probably in
Speaker 2: twenty and thirteen when I went back my rookie year
Speaker 2: and I hadn't seen him since, So we played golf.
Speaker 2: As you're listening to this podcast, I played golf with
Speaker 2: Bow the day before, and then we went out to
Speaker 2: Bourbon no free shout outs to Bourbon out in Nashville,
Speaker 2: and we had dinner and everything.
Speaker 1: He brought us son Patrick along with him, But.
Speaker 2: It was awesome catching up to him, catching up with
Speaker 2: him and Coach bo is single handedly the most important
Speaker 2: coach that I've had throughout my career because of what
Speaker 2: he's about and what the philosophies he teaches to his
Speaker 2: players when it comes to focusing on the process, compete
Speaker 2: every day. Anybody who's been who's my teammate at Nebraska
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast, which I'm sure everybody is, probably chuckles,
Speaker 2: because that's all he was ever about is the process.
Speaker 2: And he just talks about the type of person you
Speaker 2: are and the character you are, and you just don't
Speaker 2: You just don't come across a lot of people like
Speaker 2: Coach bo Plini anymore. He's somebody who knows who he is,
Speaker 2: he knows what he's about, he knows what he wants
Speaker 2: to teach. We get into a lot of fun topics
Speaker 2: with NIL coming out, if he wants to coach college
Speaker 2: football again, if he would want to coach again, what
Speaker 2: league would it be in, how he feels about the
Speaker 2: NIL stuff, and we talked about his time at LSU.
Speaker 2: We talked about obviously, we took a deep dive into
Speaker 2: Nebraska the bad breakup, which I alluded to, and also
Speaker 2: Taylor asked, you know, if there were negatives of coach bo,
Speaker 2: what I thought, what I would say he could get
Speaker 2: better at. And so I talk candidly as well as
Speaker 2: I could without being too nervous and telling coach bow
Speaker 2: what I think he could be better at. So it's
Speaker 2: an awesome It was an awesome podcast. This could possibly
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Speaker 2: no matter what.
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Speaker 1: Hey, we're finally rolling though now, so hold on before
Speaker 1: but give Dobson to Mike. What are you doing here? Dom?
Speaker 3: You just want to you just this is the second time. Hey, no,
Speaker 3: we got a mic now for you, Dobson. Give us
Speaker 3: your your name, your age, where you're from, and an
Speaker 3: interesting fact about you. Just listen to the pod.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's none of those things.
Speaker 2: That's perfect, James Dobson. So we have Bo Polini on
Speaker 2: the podcast. Hey, let's give a everyone's fired.
Speaker 3: After the most Hey, the most decorated coach we've ever
Speaker 3: had in the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ye, by far the whole coach.
Speaker 2: And James Dobson, who sitting in the back was Dobson's
Speaker 2: or was Bow's shrink coach at Nebraska.
Speaker 1: So we were all at Nebraska together. But we're a
Speaker 1: little out numbered now. Yeah, you got kind of here.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you could have been a part.
Speaker 1: I could have. I really could have. I was just
Speaker 1: getting red as I do.
Speaker 2: And we were at dinner last night and he was
Speaker 2: he was talking about we went to Bourbon.
Speaker 1: Yeah and you like bourbon. Oh it was good, it
Speaker 1: was delicious. It was Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nationals really kicked up the state game. Yeah, that check
Speaker 3: is different.
Speaker 2: I tried to.
Speaker 1: Hey, he get them gator arms. Oh yeah, He's like
Speaker 1: he was like, I got it. And he was like
Speaker 1: going like, look at the.
Speaker 3: First put it out there. Yeah it will does He
Speaker 3: does do that a little bit.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, you sure, man, and he's like yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, we got the dunkeys. But hey,
Speaker 2: he was talking about yeah, when we kind of just
Speaker 2: doing whatever you want, I was a little pissed.
Speaker 1: Off about the other and the last one shout out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the last couple of the last lot.
Speaker 3: We did the podcast yesterday. I think it was good
Speaker 3: for about thirty minutes and then my gas really rolled out.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's all. I wasn't a big fan of it.
Speaker 1: You ruined a big fan of the pod.
Speaker 2: No, the coffee, the coffee, so I'm always a fan
Speaker 2: of the pod.
Speaker 1: It was a good time. Yeah, when do you guys?
Speaker 3: You guys are like part of this new general. You
Speaker 3: guys like the ice coffee. I do like the ice coffee. Well,
Speaker 3: when it's a hot when it's ninety degrees outside.
Speaker 2: Hang on, let's you know. I don't want you to
Speaker 2: label me too quickly. I'm a black coffee guy, all right.
Speaker 2: In the mornings, I make a nice pot.
Speaker 4: I don't mind it being a lotte, but it's got
Speaker 4: to be hot if I'm a I don't. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm not a big ice coffee guy.
Speaker 1: Not even in the summer heat. No, no really.
Speaker 3: It was also the same guy that says the youth
Speaker 3: is ruining, the every is runing the country type guy.
Speaker 1: He's got philosophies, he starts these kids nowadays. Type of guy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Does the mic need to be closer to him at all?
Speaker 2: Blast are we good?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: But we were talking last night and he goes, what
Speaker 2: were you saying about to I'm like, yo, did you
Speaker 2: recruit Taylor? So oh yeah, he said he should have
Speaker 2: came to Nebraska. And he goes, you're talking about just
Speaker 2: how athletic he was back in heigh Sun Boil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you weren't. You didn't. How much would you
Speaker 1: wait coming out of high school?
Speaker 3: I think the heaviest I ever got was in the
Speaker 3: fifties to fifty, but I was I played the state
Speaker 3: championship game in like two thirty. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 3: We uh well, I mean, you don't know my story.
Speaker 3: Just you came on. But I started playing off his
Speaker 3: lines on my senior year. So like all these coaches
Speaker 3: coming to see me, like my ascend. We I talked
Speaker 3: aout this before. It was like a three month period
Speaker 3: of holy shit, like it was the coolest thing ever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: head coaches coming to see me.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a coolet little experience. Nebraska made the top five.
Speaker 2: Yeah you said that, Yes, said the pie. You're like,
Speaker 2: I was, you know, Nebraska, Nebraska is in it.
Speaker 1: Nebraska was there?
Speaker 2: Why did you go all the way up to Michigan.
Speaker 2: That's what he That's what that was something he asked.
Speaker 2: He's like, why the fuck did he go flew?
Speaker 1: You flew over a lot of schools. I did, didn't.
Speaker 3: I for not a lot of success either with when
Speaker 3: he grew up in Arizona, Like I was like the
Speaker 3: class I was like a rebellious kid, wore the dicky
Speaker 3: pants down my ass type guy. And I I was
Speaker 3: in this like rebellious phase. Was I wanted to get
Speaker 3: the hell out of Arizona, like I need to go
Speaker 3: see four Seasons. I wanted to go see something different.
Speaker 3: So I went to Michigan. Never went up there when
Speaker 3: it was snowing though, And yeah, I loved it. Jake
Speaker 3: Long just came out of Michigan, just the winged helmet
Speaker 3: everything I remember when I don't remember this. My dad
Speaker 3: told me when I was born. He said, hey, you
Speaker 3: can go to any school he won, as long as
Speaker 3: Notre Dame or Michigan. And I don't know why. I mean,
Speaker 3: we weren't even my dad and I at the time
Speaker 3: weren't even that close. But for some reason, I went
Speaker 3: to Michigan. Every I committed. I think a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks after I took a visit there. Experience it was
Speaker 3: pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was. I mean, it all happened
Speaker 1: so fast. Everything.
Speaker 3: So I had like one or two offers at Utah
Speaker 3: State and Arizona State going into my senior year, and
Speaker 3: then I put the two games on and I kind
Speaker 3: of just sent it out and people started calling. Man,
Speaker 3: it was a crazy It was a crazy, crazy experience
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 4: But I remember one of those guys that I looked at, like,
Speaker 4: looked at like five clips and said, there's a pro
Speaker 4: right there were.
Speaker 3: Really Oh yeah, really good. Kind of makes me feel
Speaker 3: like I should have gone into brass down, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like I'll let you down a little bit.
Speaker 2: Bo.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Hey, can you bring up the Chevy? But
Speaker 1: we hang on.
Speaker 2: We got to shout out to Chevy. We don't have ads?
Speaker 1: Well we have Chevy? Always have? Should we always have Chevy?
Speaker 1: Is what I'm saying. Yeah, like we always do that
Speaker 1: one and then the other ones we can just plug.
Speaker 1: I just bought a Chevy. Did you really we fucking go? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Did you shout out the boys? Did you say the
Speaker 1: boy sent me? No? I did? Oh, well you would
Speaker 1: have got a you would have got a hitch. You
Speaker 1: would have got a trailer, were a free trailer. There's
Speaker 1: like twenty five dollars off right there. Early. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Let me just tell you, bo, I'm really glad you're hearing.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you just bought yourself a Chevy. It doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be a silver Water. But I didn't tell
Speaker 3: you that. The strongest supposed to avance siver silver rote Ever,
Speaker 3: it's here, it's now, it's everywhere. It's the strongest supposed
Speaker 3: to advance siverw what ever. I just said that, but
Speaker 3: there was another line, so I read it again. Silverado
Speaker 3: was strong, advanced, dependable, and hard working. Silverado is dependable
Speaker 3: like the people who drive them. Like you. You're a
Speaker 3: dependable gat You're here.
Speaker 1: You're here. You made it. You said you were gonna
Speaker 1: come here. Look at you.
Speaker 3: You're a man of your word, and that's why you
Speaker 3: probably drive a Silverado. The design is big, bold and commanding.
Speaker 3: The truck turns heads. We talked about this on the pod.
Speaker 3: Get yourself a little kink. You're on the road, you
Speaker 3: see one, you kind of throw your neck over a
Speaker 3: little bit. It'll give you a kink. Now, it's a
Speaker 3: partner with grit and determination. Anything is possible in the Silverado. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's the greatest thing ever. Will tell me
Speaker 3: about the things you can do in Silverado.
Speaker 2: You can tailgate, you can haul, you can tell your boats,
Speaker 2: your RVs, your trailers.
Speaker 1: I know Bow, he's got a couple of boats.
Speaker 2: He's already told me about how he's been telling over
Speaker 2: the dead guy in that Chevy Silverado off roading, moving day,
Speaker 2: helping out your friend or family member.
Speaker 1: Road trips.
Speaker 2: Go to a Chevy dealership, let him know the boy
Speaker 2: sent you, and as you guys know, someone got.
Speaker 1: A free little Brandon gown. Yeah, Brandon, shout out, Brandon.
Speaker 2: M he got his own little trailer hitch to go
Speaker 2: along with saying that the boy sent him.
Speaker 3: So and just let you know, if like you go
Speaker 3: to Chevy and you say the boy sends you, it's
Speaker 3: not guaranteed you're the trailer hitch, you probably should put
Speaker 3: that out.
Speaker 1: If you get something more, let us know. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you get nothing.
Speaker 3: At all, also less probably well no, if you get nothing,
Speaker 3: I'll just say, hey, I got a truck, and then
Speaker 3: you can just leave it. Just drop the photo, Yeah,
Speaker 3: just drop the photo so we can be really proud of.
Speaker 4: All the dealership. When I get home and sand, I
Speaker 4: want like ten grand off. What do you think the
Speaker 4: boy sent me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the boy sends you to be all right, depends
Speaker 3: on whatuch the cars. If it's like a Chevy Malibu,
Speaker 3: You're probably not getting that ten grand off, because that's right.
Speaker 3: But you get one of those the Rocky Ridge or
Speaker 3: a high Country. I mean, ten grand is nothing to
Speaker 3: those beautiful Vita those are nice. Yeah, Huge Pod today,
Speaker 3: Big Pod.
Speaker 2: We got coach Bo Polini on the podcast, and guys,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, there's gonna be a lot of wood.
Speaker 2: Have should have talk with myself because we're going to
Speaker 2: live back in the old days a little bit every
Speaker 2: now and then.
Speaker 1: I'm along for the ride on the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just excited to see everybody the entire world
Speaker 2: a lot about him.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I tell you the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he could probably sits in here and blow smoke
Speaker 4: up your ass every day.
Speaker 1: Probably. God, damn, what are you talking about. I was
Speaker 1: just battling.
Speaker 2: I was just fighting, dying on the sword against Texas yesterday.
Speaker 2: He was talking about how we should have won the
Speaker 2: bullshit second that went.
Speaker 1: On the it was it was a croc.
Speaker 2: I mean, you lifted your arms, you were celebrating.
Speaker 1: I was on the field. I was going to shake hands.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like since we're moving in it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're in it now that I feel like I wanted
Speaker 2: to know, I know my opinion. Do you feel like
Speaker 2: moving to the Big ten? That was like like that
Speaker 2: played into like we can't let these motherfuckers win.
Speaker 4: Oh there's I don't think there's any question. I don't
Speaker 4: think I heard whether it's true or not. I don't
Speaker 4: know that that it wasn't even that like the replay
Speaker 4: official wasn't the one who actually hit the button for
Speaker 4: the to review it. I mean, there was nothing to review.
Speaker 4: It was over.
Speaker 1: You got to say about that.
Speaker 3: I hear them going there, Yeah, the game was over.
Speaker 1: I mean it was.
Speaker 4: I mean, and then I heard something like a Big
Speaker 4: twelve official reached over and hit the button. That's what
Speaker 4: I was told. A couple of months after him, I
Speaker 4: was like, well, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Well, so why don't you ever say things like that?
Speaker 3: And like a press conference, I didn't know about the wound,
Speaker 3: But have you heard a couple of months later, why
Speaker 3: didn't you say some a couple months later.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean that's you know, it's like what you can't read,
Speaker 4: what are you going to do after the fact. But
Speaker 4: that's true, you know, I mean it's I mean I
Speaker 4: would have been. I probably spoke out that night, probably
Speaker 4: more than I mean I I got fined more than
Speaker 4: once when I was a head.
Speaker 1: Press conferences. That was one of them. But will have
Speaker 1: showed a couple of videos.
Speaker 3: He did show one video that was like very much
Speaker 3: for the players, like saying something like don't blame the players,
Speaker 3: blame the coach, or something like that.
Speaker 1: You want to fire me, go and fire me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he always had the most biblical
Speaker 2: press conferences because what people would get upset about is
Speaker 2: he would.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, is he would uh.
Speaker 2: Is he would essentially put everything on himself and everything
Speaker 2: was like, you know, you had your staples that you
Speaker 2: always went to. So people got pissed that he wouldn't,
Speaker 2: you know, give people what they were wanting to report on.
Speaker 4: I think that's it. Yeah, I mean, you like, you know,
Speaker 4: who was that who gave up? Like whose fault was that?
Speaker 4: I'd say, that's my fault. That's a bad call. And
Speaker 4: they you know, they didn't like it. They didn't like that,
Speaker 4: you know that. I think it just played into it
Speaker 4: a lot of times that they you know, they wanted
Speaker 4: they want you to fill in the blanks form because
Speaker 4: they already have their stories written and if you and
Speaker 4: they want, you know, they want to they want you
Speaker 4: to point people out and things like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, me, I wasn't gonna do. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna go down that road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's also like so Nebraska, it's the
Speaker 2: only it's the only team in town.
Speaker 1: There's no sport, there's no pro teams the right exactly,
Speaker 1: and it's huge.
Speaker 2: So you have these reporters, right, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them you grow up in Nebraska like everything everybody's like
Speaker 2: corn fed, it's all Nebraska football. And so you have
Speaker 2: these reporters who grow up you know, as kids, as fans.
Speaker 2: Now the reporters, like everyone has this idea of what
Speaker 2: Nebraska should always be like. And obviously people would allude
Speaker 2: to the nineties a lot, because that was a lot
Speaker 2: of Yeah, we talked about like we're going through and
Speaker 2: obviously now the way we won nine and ten games
Speaker 2: a year, that sounds pretty nice compared to what's going
Speaker 2: on with Nebraska now. But in the time that we
Speaker 2: were playing, it was always you know, you need to
Speaker 2: bring in people from the nineties culture. You needed to
Speaker 2: we needed to figure out how to be Nebraska and
Speaker 2: bring the break back to the nineties, to the glory
Speaker 2: days everything else. Yeah, and now obviously you know it's
Speaker 2: it's it's trended a little different.
Speaker 3: I mean, would in Nebraska run back in the nineties
Speaker 3: like a power owe offense, just a gap scheme type,
Speaker 3: run downhill type thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure like everybody did in the nineties.
Speaker 3: It's like, you can't do that now, Like in college football,
Speaker 3: how dynamic everything is, how everything's so spread out. You
Speaker 3: can't just have you can do ground and pound, but
Speaker 3: you got to have other things. You can't just be like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's just do what we did in the nineties, because
Speaker 3: it doesn't work like that. Michigan needs to know that,
Speaker 3: Nebraska needs to know that these teams that had success
Speaker 3: in the eighties and nineties, it's okay to hang your
Speaker 3: hat and be like these guys. Bo Schembecker was a
Speaker 3: legend there. These guys are all legends. But you gotta
Speaker 3: develop and grow like I mean, if you look at Alabama,
Speaker 3: look at LSU two years ago, Oregon when Marcus Mariota
Speaker 3: was there, it's like they were willing to have the
Speaker 3: It's not about what the offense is, it's the players
Speaker 3: around you, and you have to do that offense. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and do that defense based on your personnelity just said good.
Speaker 3: The whole groundwork it has changed.
Speaker 4: I mean, the population is shifted, the recruitings different. You know,
Speaker 4: there's I mean now, I mean back in the nineties,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, eighties, nineties, whatever, maybe even early
Speaker 4: two thousands. I mean, there was only a couple of
Speaker 4: people were on TV every week. Yeah, I mean you knew,
Speaker 4: I mean, Nebraska was going to be on Oklahoma, you know,
Speaker 4: they were going to be certain teams on TV.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean now you know, you're you got to go.
Speaker 4: You got to compete in recruiting against you know, South Florida,
Speaker 4: Central Florida, you know whatever, because everyone's on TV. So
Speaker 4: a kid doesn't have to get on a plane and
Speaker 4: fly three hours to go get on to play on TV.
Speaker 4: He know, he used to go be on TV every
Speaker 4: week almost. I mean that's just the way it works.
Speaker 4: So it totally changes the recruiting landscape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to like college football on the
Speaker 3: way and it seemed like there'd always be a shift
Speaker 3: every five six years, like some team would be really
Speaker 3: great and they'd go down, another team would come back up,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of been stagnant with you know, SEC
Speaker 3: is really dominated, but you have the Clemson, Bbama, Ohio States,
Speaker 3: like those three teams kind of always really been in it,
Speaker 3: and then there's everybody else. How do you think these
Speaker 3: teams that are on the CUSP break through the and
Speaker 3: break through that mold from going from a Tier two
Speaker 3: and Tier two is like, you know, a top five team,
Speaker 3: but not those three teams I just mentioned. How do
Speaker 3: you think they get to that next level to where
Speaker 3: they're also competing for you know, national championships every year.
Speaker 4: You know they're they're going to have their years. I
Speaker 4: mean like LSU had their year two years ago. I
Speaker 4: mean you know they had I mean they had Joe Burrow,
Speaker 4: I mean and they had you know, they had I
Speaker 4: mean had some other great I mean they had what
Speaker 4: seventeen something draft picks or whatever it was that year.
Speaker 4: You know they're going to have their years, But you know,
Speaker 4: it to be consistent. You know, it's you know, you're
Speaker 4: going to look at the certain teams that are going
Speaker 4: to be there almost every year because they're the ones
Speaker 4: that have the recruiting base, and the other the teams
Speaker 4: that maybe you're going to have, you know, once every
Speaker 4: couple of years, they're gonna they're gonna make or run
Speaker 4: those of the teams that probably don't have as strong
Speaker 4: a recruiting base and as strong a tradition and culture,
Speaker 4: you know, and it just becomes harder and harder, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Ohio State, they you know a
Speaker 4: lot of these schools that the ones that are there
Speaker 4: almost every day.
Speaker 1: Heck, they can recruit in the car, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, the phone call. Yeah. And it's just
Speaker 1: the way the way it works. You know.
Speaker 2: How hard was it coaching through a pandemic?
Speaker 1: Oh? It was?
Speaker 4: That was It was a crazy year, you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: I I mean it was a crazy year. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, people you know, opting out schedules and I thought,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean I thought the SEC I thought
Speaker 4: we had LSU you know, managed it well. I mean,
Speaker 4: but you know you're talking about it was just it
Speaker 4: was just a different year. It was really crazy, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, it's good to see things getting back to normal.
Speaker 4: Stadiums will get filled, you know, teams will have their
Speaker 4: full rosters. And it was it was a you know,
Speaker 4: you make the best I guess of a bad situation.
Speaker 1: It was a bad situation.
Speaker 2: What made it so tough at LSU because you obviously
Speaker 2: came to Nebraska. You had the number one defense at
Speaker 2: LSU for like years in a row, you're winning Natties.
Speaker 1: You come on to.
Speaker 4: BA but previously or last year, previously I was there
Speaker 4: for three years, but then I went to Then I
Speaker 4: got the head job at Nebraska, and he had.
Speaker 2: Like the number one d in the country with LSU,
Speaker 2: like those boys like Glenn Dorsey, they had dogs on
Speaker 2: that squad. And then he comes to Nebraska and we're obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, looking back now, a successful tenure at Nebraska,
Speaker 2: and you go to Youngstown. You're obviously successful at Youngstown.
Speaker 2: You're taking you're going into the playoffs and everything. And
Speaker 2: then you go to LSU and you have a tough
Speaker 2: year at LSU. When it's like Bo's back at LSU
Speaker 2: and everyone knows the formula to win that you would
Speaker 2: know that formula to win. What made it so tough? Well,
Speaker 2: it was just.
Speaker 1: A weird year, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean you put in a new defense and you
Speaker 4: don't really you know, you're trying to do things on zoom.
Speaker 4: You don't have as much access to your guys. We
Speaker 4: had a you know, some guys opt out. I mean
Speaker 4: they lost a lot of guys from the National Championship game.
Speaker 4: We had some team we had we lost, had some
Speaker 4: guys opt out. You know, you have injuries and things
Speaker 4: like that. Was just a weird year.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: We kind of finished the year pretty good, but you know,
Speaker 4: it was a whole new team and just didn't work out,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I mean as simple as that,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean it was for I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of reasons, but you know me, I'm not
Speaker 4: the kind of guy to ever make excuses. We didn't
Speaker 4: get it done, and you know, so it was you know,
Speaker 4: that's just the way that the way the business works.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: You you know, things don't work out for it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter what the reasons are.
Speaker 1: You know, time to move on.
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Speaker 2: teaching me how to play golf. You go six on
Speaker 2: the fairway. Hey, how was the most improved yesterday? Really?
Speaker 1: Yes, bro?
Speaker 2: And it's crazy he I dribbled one off the team
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna allow us a
Speaker 2: little nervous going up to the t.
Speaker 1: That's why I invited Corey.
Speaker 2: He's like, let's play around the golf, and I know
Speaker 2: Bo's get a golf he goes it. No, I think
Speaker 2: he's a sandbagger. And because anytime we go to bowl games,
Speaker 2: you know, he's always on the course and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Like he's good at golf. He likes to go on there,
Speaker 1: he likes to he likes to dapple. He's got to
Speaker 1: set the clubs, you know what I mean a pair.
Speaker 2: So yeah, guy, And so I hit Corey up. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: you want to go golfing? Uh with my old head
Speaker 2: coach on it. He's like, oh yeah, what time? And
Speaker 2: so we set it up and stuff and we go
Speaker 2: and I'm a little nervous, like you know, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: these days are probably all. I know Corey's good and
Speaker 2: I know Bo's, yeah, Court's pretty good. So I dribble
Speaker 2: one off the tea and you know, don't really hit
Speaker 2: it far at all. And then he's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: Bo's like, oh no, hit another one. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: you're being nicer to me now than you know from
Speaker 2: what I remember.
Speaker 1: And uh, I put it.
Speaker 2: I put another one on the tee and just slice it,
Speaker 2: like I mean, just out of playing.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I'm telling like over, yeah, exactly. Shot.
Speaker 2: Oh bro, it's incredible now. I immediately like, I'm like
Speaker 2: looking back at bow like that. Yeah, You're like, hey,
Speaker 2: you just want to be proud of you. I was like,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe if you haven't seen you in years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to know, I said. He starts, you know,
Speaker 2: coaching me nicely, and I'm like, hey, maybe if you
Speaker 2: yell at me like you know, like the old days,
Speaker 2: like on a big run or a gas run or
Speaker 2: something like that, maybe we'll get something going.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll start rocking.
Speaker 2: But no, he had some good tips and I I
Speaker 2: think I made you proud.
Speaker 1: You most improved. He didn't say yes very well. You know,
Speaker 1: he was the first one.
Speaker 4: You know, you know what he does when he swings
Speaker 4: the club. You know, most people look up to watch
Speaker 4: their ball like he he swings hits the ball and
Speaker 4: looks back at us, me, my son Patrick, who's back here.
Speaker 4: He played with us Corey le Patrick. And yes, the
Speaker 4: first thing he does is he swings hits the ball,
Speaker 4: he looks behind him. I'm like, no one else that
Speaker 4: ever just never played the sport of golf does that.
Speaker 1: He just wants the approval.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely getting like a Dale Earn hard Dale
Speaker 3: and heard Junior by between the two of you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like he I just want you to be proud of me.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, most improved. Didn't say yes, right, didn't
Speaker 1: say that you.
Speaker 2: Want none of that stuff. It's just you know, focus
Speaker 2: on the process, compete every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. It's your favorite quote. Why is
Speaker 1: that your favorite quote?
Speaker 4: I you know, I just something I've always talked about,
Speaker 4: you know, back when I was a decordinator. I think
Speaker 4: it really started when kind of when I started running
Speaker 4: the defense, and I mean years ago, and because you know,
Speaker 4: it's that's what we do, that's what we talk about
Speaker 4: the you know, day in day out. You know, everybody
Speaker 4: wants to talk about goals and I want to get here.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, can you keep putting every day?
Speaker 4: Like do what you got to do today? I mean,
Speaker 4: forget about tomorrow. I mean, you know, I always use
Speaker 4: the quote, you know, the or talk about the fact
Speaker 4: that everybody wants things to happen. You gotta want to
Speaker 4: do the things that make those things happen. And that's
Speaker 4: the hard part. That's you know, every we all want
Speaker 4: things happen, but you know, you got to do things
Speaker 4: you don't want to do to make that happen. And
Speaker 4: that's that's the process. And a lot of people to
Speaker 4: never figure that out, especially players.
Speaker 3: People in general have a hard time with that. Everyone
Speaker 3: sees the that classic tip of the Iceberg picture with
Speaker 3: his success and then there is the job. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: it's all the things you have to do to get
Speaker 3: to that success. So football players, athletes, there's.
Speaker 1: One thing to talk about.
Speaker 4: You got to live it, and you gotta believe you
Speaker 4: truly believe in a lot of people don't believe in it.
Speaker 4: I mean, can you do it every day?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: I mean, are you gonna can you check that box
Speaker 4: every day? And you know, for really? Over what do
Speaker 4: we talk about it every day? Overcome human nature?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: That's hard to do. Everyone talks about it, you know,
Speaker 4: but you know, you you got to live it.
Speaker 3: Seems like you're a hell of a pregame speech guy.
Speaker 1: Dobson's not bad Dobson.
Speaker 3: You know he's got that little coffee bean. I was
Speaker 3: going to bring up the coffee go ahead. He had
Speaker 3: a solid one with the coffee bean.
Speaker 1: Was it.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a pee of carrot and a bean
Speaker 3: Karen a bean and you play you putting a boiling
Speaker 3: pot of water. That ag gets hard, that carrot gets soft,
Speaker 3: but the bean, the bean changes the water, be the bean.
Speaker 5: You don't like your circumstance, change your circumstance with your
Speaker 5: environment changed you, You change your environment and will What's
Speaker 5: the one thing the coach always put in the bottom
Speaker 5: of his pre Friday.
Speaker 1: Night meeting sheets, was it seconds? Constantly concentrate on six seconds?
Speaker 4: Success is constant constancy of what come on?
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm on the fucking spot right now.
Speaker 1: I got the surrender Cooper for you right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: is struggling right now? If my if my coach is
Speaker 1: on here.
Speaker 3: You probably would say no to come on this podcast.
Speaker 3: But if he was on here and he asked me
Speaker 3: a question, I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: Purpose ye thumbs out there we go, you know to
Speaker 2: you seven straight years, No, we can.
Speaker 4: I want to spend a lot of time, right those things?
Speaker 4: Did you like those things? Do you like the thought sheets?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: We thought she so we did that. I talked about
Speaker 4: every Friday night.
Speaker 1: You didn't have a whole lot of thoughts with the stories.
Speaker 2: And Carl would be up there talking to us talking
Speaker 2: about some war book he's reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, then I would talk to do the
Speaker 1: same thing I always talked about together.
Speaker 2: He'd have a sheet. Oh yeah, our team meetings. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 2: you're awesome. What would what didn't you like when you
Speaker 2: were there? What you thought Bo could have done better
Speaker 2: at Nebraska?
Speaker 1: Me personally?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if I could speak candidly, i'd like I
Speaker 2: think when we were in the big moments and Bow
Speaker 2: would get pissed off, Bo was our like leader, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like Bo is the guy where
Speaker 2: you knew when he was talking on the media, it
Speaker 2: was always it felt like, uh, you know, our backs
Speaker 2: were against you know, the nation of Nebraska. Basically like
Speaker 2: it was us first them, like you always wanted to
Speaker 2: make you Yeah, Bo would like the head of all
Speaker 2: of it. So anytime we had a team meeting, everybody's
Speaker 2: tripping outside the walls, outside the building.
Speaker 1: You knew you were gonna go into team.
Speaker 2: Meeting and here's some juice from Bow, Like he's gonna
Speaker 2: give us something, He's gonna get our heads right, We're
Speaker 2: all gonna be good. And when you get in tough
Speaker 2: parts of the game, and Bow from stories out here,
Speaker 2: blacks out and doesn't necessarily remember how much he like
Speaker 2: gets after people. But when Bow gets fucking pissed off
Speaker 2: and you feel like shit's in the fan and you
Speaker 2: feel like you're letting everybody down. I feel like that
Speaker 2: festers into a young kid's psyche, and then you play
Speaker 2: more to not mess up instead of like, instead of
Speaker 2: like needing somebody that's like, hey, it's all gonna be
Speaker 2: fucking good, Like I.
Speaker 4: Don't play, don't play to to not make a mistake correct.
Speaker 2: And I felt like that that happened. I feel like
Speaker 2: it happened more so too when you're a younger guy,
Speaker 2: because when I was a senior, there was a time
Speaker 2: where Penn State drove on us our senior year, had
Speaker 2: an opening drive and drove all the way down the
Speaker 2: field and we can't check vegas or we're getting checks
Speaker 2: and slower calls or not getting in. It's a cover one.
Speaker 2: It's a cover one thing that was in the like
Speaker 2: in the playbook Nebraska. It was at Nebraska. It's our
Speaker 2: senior year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we either.
Speaker 2: Weren't getting calls in quick or we're not getting lined
Speaker 2: up fast enough for getting our checks in. And they
Speaker 2: drive it down and score on us, and we come
Speaker 2: to the sideline and Bo's just fuman. It's the first series,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like, yo, it's all good because
Speaker 2: we had a good group of seniors, but you're kind
Speaker 2: of mout, you're kind of chirpping back to him. Then
Speaker 2: he comes over and he taps you on the head
Speaker 2: like it's all good to go.
Speaker 1: You rally.
Speaker 2: I mean, you end up winning the game and stuff,
Speaker 2: But I feel like a lot of times, like when
Speaker 2: I noticed it, when I noticed it watching from afar
Speaker 2: was probably the Wisconsin game where you guys were seven
Speaker 2: and oh or eight and one, you guys were at
Speaker 2: their house.
Speaker 1: They were up like seventeen nothing.
Speaker 2: You're up seventeen nothing and or seventeen three at the time,
Speaker 2: and Melvin Gordon jumps over Corey Cooper and goes to
Speaker 2: the end zone and you see you just going in
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, from my stance, like these dudes are
Speaker 2: up seventeen ten going in a halftime against a team
Speaker 2: that we need to this is our time to come back,
Speaker 2: like they've obviously had our number every year, Like we're
Speaker 2: in it, Like we don't you know, there don't need
Speaker 2: to be any red ass being spread. It's more of
Speaker 2: like a corral thing. That's a moment where I felt like,
Speaker 2: you know, you remember certain things like that and not
Speaker 2: in a way that you know that that's probably my
Speaker 2: thought of what you could have done better at Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I was being if I was being triguer, like
Speaker 2: the time of Youngstown too, you guys are still in
Speaker 2: the game, and you guys had the most abysmal pass
Speaker 2: interference call out there, and you still got a shot
Speaker 2: to go to get the ball kicked off to you
Speaker 2: and at least try and do something, and you know
Speaker 2: right for sure, but you and Carl are so pissed
Speaker 2: off and you get a penalty and then you're kind
Speaker 2: of just out of it. But I felt like those
Speaker 2: were those are moments that I feel like, if if
Speaker 2: you could zoom out and look on you could be like,
Speaker 2: you know, in these times, because he's like the head of.
Speaker 4: The all the time, you know what's crazy about I
Speaker 4: always said that, and I kind of there were times
Speaker 4: when I would just almost not say anything because you know,
Speaker 4: they were There's always that. I always felt like Nebraska
Speaker 4: was especially there was the kids had so much pressure
Speaker 4: on them. I mean, forget about you know, and I
Speaker 4: sometimes obviously my personality added to that maybe, you know,
Speaker 4: because they wanted to but they sometimes you want to
Speaker 4: win so bad, but all of a sudden, sometimes I mean, dogar,
Speaker 4: you might agree with that something bad would happen, and
Speaker 4: it was like it just compounded itself. It was like
Speaker 4: all of a sudden that they just totally lost her.
Speaker 4: You know, some certain guys right would just totally lose it,
Speaker 4: you know, and uh yeah, And it was we used
Speaker 4: to sit and talk about that in meetings a lot,
Speaker 4: like okay, you know, part of it was okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got I got to handle I got to be
Speaker 4: better in that situation, understanding that what these kids are
Speaker 4: going through, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you were always uh you know, you
Speaker 2: wanted to be like a player out there playing the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah too much sometimes because.
Speaker 2: I remember the time I came back and we sat
Speaker 2: in your office for like probably a few hours. We're
Speaker 2: talking about last night, like after I left Nebraska, came
Speaker 2: back and we're talking about it. It's like I was
Speaker 2: trying to say a couple of things like that, like
Speaker 2: just to where it's like you just know a young
Speaker 2: kid who's there and they're seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old.
Speaker 2: They're on the young end of it and all of
Speaker 2: it's happening.
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's a lot for a kid to say,
Speaker 3: Nebraska that has there's so much expectation, which you're getting
Speaker 3: at this whole.
Speaker 1: Time, right, there's more, there's more outside. You probably went
Speaker 1: through that in Michigan.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there, it's definitely the message you like.
Speaker 1: Ei.
Speaker 4: There was one time I went on like the old
Speaker 4: mess when I was in Nebraska. We were kicking your ass.
Speaker 4: We had to have been like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually pulled a clip up in that like
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, as though I blocked about one time
Speaker 3: in that game, we'll threw a punch you should have
Speaker 3: thrown out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I mean that game.
Speaker 3: Anytime you went to Nebraska, and I'm gonna get a
Speaker 3: little lost track, but anytime you went to Nebraska, it
Speaker 3: was the most It was the weirdest experience because you
Speaker 3: go in usually when you play most teams in the
Speaker 3: Big Ten, you're walking by, fans are throwing you the
Speaker 3: bird as you're driving in, and that Nebraska they're just hey,
Speaker 3: how you doing?
Speaker 1: Good luck? Like I have a good luck today.
Speaker 3: While it was super nice and greeting, and you guys
Speaker 3: just donkeyed us. I think it was the fourth quarter
Speaker 3: my senior it was my senior year. That was my
Speaker 3: junior year because it was your Yeah, it was a
Speaker 3: fourth court. You guys were like twenty three seven or
Speaker 3: something like that. Not an incredible deficit, but like it
Speaker 3: was a little something hurt, like we're gonna when a
Speaker 3: backup quarterback win three for thirteen with three picks, and
Speaker 3: we're like, we're running it.
Speaker 1: This is what we got to do.
Speaker 3: And it's nothing against I mean, he was thrown into
Speaker 3: a situation. But it's so big, it's so loud, everyone
Speaker 3: is there, and when you were leaving after you get
Speaker 3: your ass kicked, everyone's like, all right, hey, good game,
Speaker 3: great job, Like you know, it's it was. It never
Speaker 3: seemed Nebraska never seemed like a super hostile environment. When
Speaker 3: you're during the game, it's obviously very loud, but it
Speaker 3: seemed like the fans were also like, hope, it's hope
Speaker 3: it's a competitive game. So I never knew, like, are
Speaker 3: the history there from that to Michigan where you know,
Speaker 3: the year before I got to Michigan, they were losing
Speaker 3: to Wisconsin and they're getting booed, the home fans are booming,
Speaker 3: Michigan going in to the locker room at halftime, and
Speaker 3: so it was a it was a different deal. They
Speaker 3: would they'll turn on you in a dime. But I
Speaker 3: didn't think it was like that in Nebraska because the
Speaker 3: way the fans were from what I saw my perspective,
Speaker 3: you know, they were nice to you because they saved
Speaker 3: all their hostility for hostility for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, how long we had Nebraska for?
Speaker 3: But seven years? Seven years, that's a long I mean
Speaker 3: that's a that's a long time. You guys had a
Speaker 3: lot of success there too, right, yeah, and you were.
Speaker 1: Part of it. I mean, yeah, that's very impressive. I
Speaker 1: bet there right now one out of five coaches, six
Speaker 1: coaches that won and there's only a couple of six games.
Speaker 1: And it's like it was like you, Chip, Kelly Saban,
Speaker 1: a few others. I mean, good.
Speaker 4: Company, a really company. You know, we were consistent. We
Speaker 4: were consistent because we had a good culture, we had
Speaker 4: good kids. We weren't always the most talented team. I
Speaker 4: mean Will would agree with that. I mean, we had
Speaker 4: we had our talent, but we also had we had
Speaker 4: we had a strong culture, really good. I mean I
Speaker 4: always say that there's uh when I look back when
Speaker 4: I when I left there, we had won I think
Speaker 4: there was only one or other other team over that
Speaker 4: period of time that won more games. And I said
Speaker 4: to Alabama, maybe Oregon during that time. But when I left,
Speaker 4: we had the highest GPA in the history of the school.
Speaker 1: Really but didn't fuck around when it came to going
Speaker 1: the class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, because you know, we we've talked
Speaker 4: about everything counted, Everything counts.
Speaker 1: You know, everything you do counts.
Speaker 4: I mean, how you we didn't have kids getting in
Speaker 4: trouble off the field. We had kids going to class.
Speaker 4: They were doing well in the classroom, and in the end,
Speaker 4: that leads to giving you the best chance you can
Speaker 4: be to be a good team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if you don't have, like you said, you did,
Speaker 3: more of the most talented team in the world. But
Speaker 3: if you have a bunch of guys working together, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about it. You'd rather have eleven
Speaker 3: guys doing their job than one guy who's a freak.
Speaker 3: And then you know, taking the wrong gap and making
Speaker 3: a couple of TFLs, but also letting a six yard
Speaker 3: run go right.
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Speaker 1: It's do you think is there ever a time you
Speaker 1: end up back in Nebraska? No, I'll never end up back.
Speaker 3: You don't think so even if they called them like, hey,
Speaker 3: hey listen, we fucked up, they wouldn't they wouldn't know
Speaker 3: they that would never happen.
Speaker 1: Not there's a bum, Yeah, because of how bad the
Speaker 1: breakup was.
Speaker 4: No, it just because it was more than that. You know,
Speaker 4: obviously it was the A D at the time, but
Speaker 4: I mean the in the in the chancellor at the time.
Speaker 4: Those two kind of probably drove it. But the media,
Speaker 4: you know, they had gotten the media on board, and
Speaker 4: those media people would never admit to being wrong or
Speaker 4: you know, to but you know, I just don't think
Speaker 4: it whatever, it would never happen.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what was interesting to me too is
Speaker 2: like when they were kind of and this is this
Speaker 2: is my me talking, when they're kind of pushing you
Speaker 2: out of there. I thought it was interesting because Tom
Speaker 2: Osmonne was the A D before. Who who's the IDA
Speaker 2: that came I cursed cours course, And you would think
Speaker 2: that Tom, like I would assume that Tom and everybody
Speaker 2: there that's in the culture there would already let the
Speaker 2: new the new people come in, know like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is the culture we have, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because Tom Osborne's like seeing in Nebraska as Tom Osborne.
Speaker 2: You think that something like that just wouldn't happen like
Speaker 2: how it happened.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think that they would.
Speaker 4: You would think that they would have celebrated and treated
Speaker 4: Tom better at the end, and that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: They weren't treating Tom good at the end. No, I
Speaker 3: mean no, not really. He didn't kind of forced Tom out.
Speaker 3: I don't think Tom was quite right. I mean in
Speaker 3: the end, I think Tom Osborne you know, earned the
Speaker 3: rate to I mean, came back, kind of saved the
Speaker 3: program when he came back as the A d oh, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 3: pretty much earned the rate. You know, Tom would never
Speaker 3: say this, but Tom earned the rate to pick his
Speaker 3: successor and and to make sure that probably you know,
Speaker 3: safeguard the tradition all the things that went on and
Speaker 3: that that didn't happen. So and here here we are. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're fighting to get back. You know, what kind of report.
Speaker 2: Did you have at the time with that new ad,
Speaker 2: Like how much was he involved with.
Speaker 4: I like horse, Yeah, almost no relationship at all. I
Speaker 4: mean over the time he was there, very little, almost not.
Speaker 1: This is the guy.
Speaker 3: This is the guy, that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: How did that? How long was he there before you left?
Speaker 4: He was he had been there about a year year
Speaker 4: a year, and so he was supposed to come in
Speaker 4: and be kind of an interim guy. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: that like that, it just happened a lot faster. Next thing,
Speaker 4: you know, he's in Tom's out and you know, at
Speaker 4: that point, you know Tom had hired me. That's why
Speaker 4: I came back, you know, because Tom had talked me
Speaker 4: into coming back, and and uh, you know, at that
Speaker 4: point you kind of know that this isn't going to
Speaker 4: be a long term thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when it came to the relationship, was there.
Speaker 3: Did you try to initiate a relationship with this guy,
Speaker 3: talked to him and be buddies with him or very?
Speaker 4: He was very He was just a standoffish dude. That
Speaker 4: was his That was kind of how was uh, that
Speaker 4: was his style.
Speaker 3: I guess they take a step back so he didn't
Speaker 3: have to make emotional decisions to all be business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't really. He didn't interact with.
Speaker 4: He didn't interact with a lot of people very much,
Speaker 4: but especially the coaches. I don't know how much he
Speaker 4: interacted even with some of the you know, the underlying
Speaker 4: people that were the assistant ads and that type of thing.
Speaker 4: He had a different style and uh but you know,
Speaker 4: to me, everything, especially in a place like the Briant,
Speaker 4: it's about relationships when you don't have relationships. And I mean,
Speaker 4: heck that my last year there, we went I think
Speaker 4: at one point we were seven and oh and I'm
Speaker 4: answering questions about my job security. Oh really, I'm like,
Speaker 4: life's too short for this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gotta be tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know if we were seven zero at Michigan,
Speaker 3: people will be celebrating from the from the room, they
Speaker 3: be jumping off the stadium.
Speaker 1: Seventh I was. It was a mere senior year.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day. We had never won
Speaker 4: less than nine game, you know, we we were nine
Speaker 4: and ten every year. And you know even I mean, heck,
Speaker 4: I laugh because I see some of these coaches and schools, like,
Speaker 4: you know, guys win five games and they get a
Speaker 4: contract extension. I said, heck, they would have been burning
Speaker 4: crosses in my yard if I want to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were talking about you, didn't you know,
Speaker 2: you weren't thinking they were treating Tom that well, Like
Speaker 2: were there people that didn't like Tom, like in Nebraska.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of hard to imagine anybody not liking
Speaker 2: Tom Osborne in the state of Nebraska.
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, what do they I don't
Speaker 4: know how you can't like Tom. I mean, I mean
Speaker 4: you can't, But you know, I think there's some people
Speaker 4: there that were, you know, some of the people that
Speaker 4: were decision makers that were probably jealous of him, you know,
Speaker 4: got you know, saying you because Tom was kind of
Speaker 4: seen as you know, kind of bringing the program back
Speaker 4: and bringing a tradition back, and you know, people want
Speaker 4: their credit, people want you know whatever. For whatever reason,
Speaker 4: human nature comes in and yeah, there's jealousy involved, and.
Speaker 1: I think to overcome you in nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were in that that video the conference
Speaker 2: he was talking about earlier, when you were talking about
Speaker 2: what game was that, I don't know, Yeah, when was
Speaker 2: that fire Me fire?
Speaker 3: The press said something to you along on the lines
Speaker 3: of like players and job security, and you started going
Speaker 3: off on them about like, I ain't worry about my job.
Speaker 3: I don't worry about this. I don't worry about like
Speaker 3: it's not the player's fault, it's my fault. Put it
Speaker 3: on me and you kind of had like your own
Speaker 3: I mean as a player watching them like.
Speaker 1: Them, you kind of want to play like.
Speaker 2: Come, you know, if they want to fire me, they
Speaker 2: can go ahead and fire me. You know what press
Speaker 2: conference I'm talking about, It.
Speaker 1: Could have been one of you.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't yeah, okay, So it was
Speaker 4: after we lost I the year before that.
Speaker 1: That's a big rivalry, right obviously.
Speaker 2: And that was the year you actually, I mean there
Speaker 2: wasn't you stayed another year, right because there are rumors
Speaker 2: about you. There are rumors about people wanting to fire
Speaker 2: you then right like you want to This was like
Speaker 2: a two year thing to where you kind of.
Speaker 1: Felt chicken shit call? What person foul was that?
Speaker 2: Who knows? Dude, that could have been any call. That
Speaker 2: could have just been a fucking we gotta we There was.
Speaker 4: A big third down but I remember there was a
Speaker 4: big third down play and you know, we got we
Speaker 4: were off the field and flag comes out really cost
Speaker 4: us a game, and it cost us a chance to.
Speaker 1: Win the game.
Speaker 4: And they asked me about about after the game do
Speaker 4: you think what do you think of that pastor interference
Speaker 4: call to you?
Speaker 1: And I there you go ten.
Speaker 3: For sure, Dobson on on your end, what during this
Speaker 3: time that was your senior year.
Speaker 1: Will lost Iowa? No, no, no, we we we were
Speaker 1: against Iowa.
Speaker 3: George George George Kittle from the Yuars werening nine games
Speaker 3: every single year. From your standpoint, a lot a lot
Speaker 3: of times the stringth coach goes with the head coach,
Speaker 3: like we all know, like it kind of comes down
Speaker 3: and you see all this pressure from the media. What
Speaker 3: was your thought process like during this whole thing. Did
Speaker 3: you think it was a little of horseeshit or what?
Speaker 1: I think the whole staff supported BO.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like Will said, he was the leader
Speaker 5: of the team, He's a leader of the staff. So
Speaker 5: the staff always supported both, no question, I.
Speaker 1: Mean all the players did.
Speaker 2: It was always you always felt the you always felt
Speaker 2: the separation of everybody who played for BO, everyone who
Speaker 2: was in like the culture of BO and then pretty
Speaker 2: much everybody not everybody else because I hate to say that,
Speaker 2: because you would even you know, you would even help
Speaker 2: guys too in team meetings, because guys would get death
Speaker 2: threats for you know, not making a play or something
Speaker 2: like that, or people's families would get trash. Remember now
Speaker 2: it's Paul like his family was getting stuff thrown at
Speaker 2: him or something after because Niles was running into the
Speaker 2: end zone and fumbled the ball into the end zone
Speaker 2: like as he was about to score, and we lost
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have against Iowa State, but we shouldn't have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the players know we kept kind of
Speaker 4: everything in house. But I think the players appreciated me
Speaker 4: for appreciated not just me, but our staff for what
Speaker 4: we were because I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: as much as we you know that we were hard
Speaker 4: on you, we we we had high expectations for the players,
Speaker 4: but I think they always believe we had your best
Speaker 4: interests at hert I think, yeah, the players, I mean it.
Speaker 3: Really sounds like it. I mean, knowing how Dobson is
Speaker 3: and then how Will's talking about you, sounds like you
Speaker 3: guys had a really good squad inside that was able
Speaker 3: to keep it in house. Sometimes there's always a stray
Speaker 3: staff member that would leak some stuff out, or you know,
Speaker 3: it kind of seemed that way of Michigan where they're
Speaker 3: they're the core group of people really believed in what
Speaker 3: we were doing, but there was always a few stragglers
Speaker 3: and it sounds like in your building and your core group.
Speaker 3: There was no stragglers in that ye on our flour
Speaker 3: it was pretty strong and it seems I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know, how does it make you feel past player
Speaker 3: and all the players that played at with Will at
Speaker 3: Nebraska that I've met through Will, they had nothing but
Speaker 3: good things to say about you. That's got to be
Speaker 3: a good feeling. Yeah, we had, Like I said, I
Speaker 3: think that's why that gave us a chance to win
Speaker 3: and be consistent as we were. We were all pretty
Speaker 3: much on the same page, and we had a strong culture,
Speaker 3: you know, and high character, hard working. I mean, just
Speaker 3: just like the Chevy Silverado.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly like the Chevy Silverado. But I mean it
Speaker 1: is true.
Speaker 2: We could sit here and talk about, you know, moments objectively.
Speaker 4: Like process we've talked about all the time. And I
Speaker 4: think the players believed that. You saw guys when I
Speaker 4: would walk out, I mean, guys would stay. People were
Speaker 4: in there watching film by themselves. They were they were
Speaker 4: doing the extra the little things that that give you
Speaker 4: a chance to be successful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at the end of the day, you can
Speaker 2: talk about us not you know, winning certain games for
Speaker 2: whatever reason or objectively looking at hey, what could we
Speaker 2: have all done better? Like everyone knows they can get
Speaker 2: better at something. But overall, I mean everyone has benefit
Speaker 2: from the you know, all your mantras that we mess
Speaker 2: around with and play with because I've always preached attitude
Speaker 2: and for bo is always preaching a focus on the process,
Speaker 2: compete every day. And as much as we joke about it,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, I'm not in this chair without
Speaker 2: without all of that stuff, without all of those hard teachings,
Speaker 2: because you were about you know, and I always remember
Speaker 2: it because God blessed Josh Mullick and all the guys
Speaker 2: who had missed who had missed class, and you would
Speaker 2: have to call out in a team meeting and go
Speaker 2: over sleeping in fucking class. But it's like, guys, I'm
Speaker 2: not babysitting. I'm not here to babysit you like you're
Speaker 2: not going to show up on Saturdays. You're not going
Speaker 2: to show up when you want to. It's not you
Speaker 2: don't wear the inn on the side of your helmet
Speaker 2: and get to be out in front of ninety thousand
Speaker 2: and then all the other days of the week you
Speaker 2: get to you know, slap off, not go to class
Speaker 2: and then you want to, you know, come dick around
Speaker 2: at practice or show up at practice just to go
Speaker 2: be on the sideline during the game Saturday. He's like,
Speaker 2: you're either going to be an all the time guy,
Speaker 2: or you're not going to be here. And I mean,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: How it is with class checkers, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean bo was literally had a rapport with goddamn felt
Speaker 2: like every teacher because they like couldn't wait for a
Speaker 2: football player to mess up so they could email them
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, I'm talking to coach Ball, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would go and check classes every night.
Speaker 3: You would go, oh, yeah, you know, he really would.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there yet, but it was your first spring
Speaker 2: ball and guys were talking about how you shut down
Speaker 2: Oa Street basically for on the team street. O Street
Speaker 2: was like the bar, you know where you went to
Speaker 2: the bars. He's trying to rebuild the culture, so he's
Speaker 2: not letting guys really go out, like be seen out
Speaker 2: in the scene like downtown.
Speaker 1: If you're caught out, it's yeah, it's extant.
Speaker 4: Well, there were a couple of places that were just
Speaker 4: off limits where yeah, it was just the rail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always it's always like, yeah, I know you
Speaker 2: went downtown, is what I was getting at.
Speaker 4: And I walked in and I heard about this brash rail.
Speaker 4: So I went in there. And I went in there
Speaker 4: and it was like they're luckily there were no players
Speaker 4: in there that night, but the people were like, could
Speaker 4: not believe that you showed up the rail And to Mario.
Speaker 2: Was in like the spot you go to whereas it's
Speaker 2: midnight and you stays open and one you go to
Speaker 2: the rail at midnight because that's where it just gets
Speaker 2: it just gets grinding me music, loud music.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, that finish
Speaker 1: the one.
Speaker 4: Remember Mario Williams, Yes, to Mario was in there, so
Speaker 4: he so I was in. He knew I was back.
Speaker 4: So I said to Mario, he goes, he guess it
Speaker 4: would be in the brass Sitt's a good night to
Speaker 4: be He's going to be in the brash rails. So
Speaker 4: I walked in. I went and saw him. You know,
Speaker 4: obviously I was in there to see if any of
Speaker 4: you guys, if any players were in there, but I
Speaker 4: kind of gave me excuse.
Speaker 1: I said hi to.
Speaker 4: Tomorrio, gave him a hug, looked around, saw no one
Speaker 4: was in there and walked out next thing, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean it was the next by the next morning
Speaker 4: it left him. Everybody knew that I was in there.
Speaker 4: You're in the rail Yeah. So they were like, don't go.
Speaker 3: There, no fuck around, dude, have you checking classes?
Speaker 1: Oh he's which I was above that.
Speaker 4: Oh the greatest ever was Marvel. Yeah, so I'm you know,
Speaker 4: so I'm he he was either a freshman or sophomore.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I So I show up to check class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's got his.
Speaker 4: Backpack on and he's getting like, seize me. So I
Speaker 4: come up the steps. He's coming out the door, and
Speaker 4: I know it was Monday night football. He's probably going
Speaker 4: to watch Money Night Football was like one of those,
Speaker 4: you know, two and a half hour classes and a halfway.
Speaker 4: So I showed up halfway through and he was he
Speaker 4: was inching out of there. Yeah, and he's like, he's
Speaker 4: why I see him. He's got his backpack on and everything,
Speaker 4: And I said, where are you going? He like makes
Speaker 4: a right walks over and says, I'm just getting to
Speaker 4: drink of water. I was born yesterday. I think, get
Speaker 4: your ass back in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh he was, so we laugh about it. To
Speaker 1: this day because he's like, yeah, I got busted. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it'd be crazy.
Speaker 2: People would talk about you showing up the classes and
Speaker 2: everything like that. You and Dabson bringing in the program.
Speaker 2: What was that about?
Speaker 1: What does that mean bringing in the program.
Speaker 2: There's these fucking military Navy seal guys. It's just kind
Speaker 2: of a bone I've had with these guys ever since
Speaker 2: I've been in college. But you would uh do all
Speaker 2: these hard ass fucking sounds like it's all Dobson. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's basically adoptson GPP day in the evening.
Speaker 1: So Donson would lose. Yeah, and hey, Dohnson, you ever lose.
Speaker 1: I'm just kiddy. Yeah, I am fucking around here.
Speaker 5: It's Terry's version. Eric capatuolok at the program. It's it's
Speaker 5: developing leadership through shared adversity.
Speaker 1: So it's really not a work. It sounds like the
Speaker 1: most terrifying forever. It's a leagal. It's really good.
Speaker 4: Eric, the guy who runs his Eric Capatoolo and his group.
Speaker 4: I mean, I recommend it for anybody that any team, corporation,
Speaker 4: whatever I mean it is. They do an unbelievable job
Speaker 4: shared adversity.
Speaker 3: So what's the adversity in this sounds like it sounds
Speaker 3: terrifying if it's his adopts in GPP day. It's not
Speaker 3: for the faint of heart. So how does the process work?
Speaker 1: What you like? You brought this guy in.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we we hired these guys to come in
Speaker 5: and it's a leadership seminar is basically what it is
Speaker 5: for two to three days and it's on them. They
Speaker 5: control it, they run it, but they'll give us feedback.
Speaker 5: Coach bowl, you know, ask those questions or have you know,
Speaker 5: those guys work on certain situations with certain guys on
Speaker 5: the team, but they run it, they control it, and
Speaker 5: it's it's good.
Speaker 1: It's really good as far as yeah, they don't interview.
Speaker 4: You'll give them background and then they'll take they'll go
Speaker 4: and run with it. And then afterwards, you know, they
Speaker 4: kind of give you your feedback and say, you know, these
Speaker 4: are this is the strength, these are the leaders, these
Speaker 4: are the guys. You know any kind of this is
Speaker 4: how I would push his buttons. This guy needs this.
Speaker 4: And really it's amazing how spot on they can be
Speaker 4: and just being around guys for whatever, what is it, seventy.
Speaker 1: Two hours, So it's like appro.
Speaker 5: It's not a workout whole formally, not a you know,
Speaker 5: we're making this a workout unders strength enditioning. It's a
Speaker 5: it's it's a class. It's like a three day class basically,
Speaker 5: but there's a workout.
Speaker 1: You're working out. Oh, a perfect jumping? What is that? Okay?
Speaker 4: A perfect A lot of metal stuff along a lot
Speaker 4: along with the physical and then they go in to
Speaker 4: pull the next.
Speaker 3: Day, the next day, the next morning morning at three am,
Speaker 3: after finishing, we don't care about Yeah, after finishing.
Speaker 2: At like nine pm the night before, you go and
Speaker 2: sleep for a few hours. Then you got to beat
Speaker 2: the pull the next day like three am.
Speaker 5: No, you guys at five am? Ship dude, you had
Speaker 5: to get up, but you had to be at the
Speaker 5: pool of five. Okay, maybe be at the pool of four,
Speaker 5: we'll say four.
Speaker 3: How good does it feel to be able to talk
Speaker 3: to your old coaches like that? Bullshit? Dude, you have
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: Bitter about it? No, not really, I mean you do
Speaker 1: it every year, but you're kind of soft. So I
Speaker 1: was my feedback. Did they ever point out Will as
Speaker 1: a leader? Will? No, they didn't even know. Will was Hey,
Speaker 1: that's gotta be tough.
Speaker 2: To hear.
Speaker 3: But he's a Gordy Gohard for sure. He's definitely one
Speaker 3: of those that No. I was my senior year. I
Speaker 3: literally I was all Michigan manned out. I was all
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: But you learn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. We are both the
Speaker 3: same way in college our senior years. I don't know
Speaker 3: about your first three years, because my first three.
Speaker 2: Years, I mean I was you know, I wish I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have took it as serious as I did, but
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's got me here. So yeah, because
Speaker 2: I look back on the fact, I just I always
Speaker 2: put a lot of pressure on myself, you know, as
Speaker 2: a kid everything else, and it makes you great though, yeah, true, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the paranoid survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people are out to get you due
Speaker 1: to go the best and the extra.
Speaker 4: Time is what gave you, you know you, I mean
Speaker 4: you were obviously very talented, but putting the extra time
Speaker 4: in yes.
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Speaker 3: And one night we put on the twenty twelve game
Speaker 3: Nebraska versus Michigan, and it was a game we won.
Speaker 1: It was the Will Compton Show.
Speaker 3: The announcers the whole time we're talking about Compton, his leadership.
Speaker 3: There were you know, nine guys are leaving these nine guys.
Speaker 3: But Will Compton's the guy like it's they were on
Speaker 3: them definitely over overachieving.
Speaker 2: Well, we got our ass kicked the year before at
Speaker 2: the bank House, remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a.
Speaker 2: Dono comes into the team meeting and basically just says
Speaker 2: everyone needs to be like Levonte David.
Speaker 1: Because Levante I remember that. Dude. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: he's like the.
Speaker 2: Only guy in here who should feel worth a shit
Speaker 2: about anything is this one right here?
Speaker 1: Levonte?
Speaker 2: You guys all need to be like him.
Speaker 4: He was an amazing he Well he still is, but
Speaker 4: you know, Levante, I think I always point that out.
Speaker 4: He was like that that we want to talk about, missus.
Speaker 4: I just scouted after Scott after scout coming in and
Speaker 4: you know, let's say, what do you think about Leavonte? Well,
Speaker 4: he's not this, He's not that.
Speaker 3: He's not you would say that, they would say that,
Speaker 3: they would.
Speaker 4: Say that he's not you know, he's just you know,
Speaker 4: if he's big enough. And it's like, are you watching it?
Speaker 4: Like he makes every tackle like how like? And I'm like,
Speaker 4: you're gonna play against him, you better take him or
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to play against this guy. And and
Speaker 4: he's Lavante was just I mean you would he was
Speaker 4: a lot like you in that he lived it like
Speaker 4: he watched tons of film. He just he was about
Speaker 4: so detailed me and he's so talented character off the
Speaker 4: charts and everything.
Speaker 3: Kind of like a like an Ed Reid style, Like
Speaker 3: he just just good to see that he's getting his
Speaker 3: do right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah watch yeah, you watch that super Bowl and you
Speaker 4: know he was he had to me, he was like
Speaker 4: the m v P.
Speaker 1: I mean he he like m Kelsey. He covered Kelsey
Speaker 1: the whole game. Him and White, those are the linebacker there.
Speaker 3: Two linebackers are incredible, incredible. They do a great job.
Speaker 3: They do a really good job.
Speaker 4: White the young kid, he's he's a player too. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 4: and he's got a great out of learned from you know,
Speaker 4: the play next to I'm.
Speaker 3: Assuming Sue's the best player you ever probably had from
Speaker 3: a talent standpoint, would Leavonte probably be second?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would think so. Glenn Dorsey and it
Speaker 4: is a callvid player. You know he didn't he kind
Speaker 4: of didn't. Poor Dorsey. You know, he got drafted and
Speaker 4: they put him. He was a to me, it was
Speaker 4: a three technique and they next thing, you know, they've
Speaker 4: changed to a three four and they I can think
Speaker 4: that hurt his career. But those two guys were really good.
Speaker 3: It's got to be tough when you see guys, especially
Speaker 3: care about and college, be so successful and then then
Speaker 3: they don't get their due in the NFL. For me,
Speaker 3: like Denard Robinson's that guy. Yeah, he was so electric
Speaker 3: in college and the fact that they're paying these kids
Speaker 3: now dinar could have made millions of dollars in college.
Speaker 3: He was unbelievable and it just it just wasn't able
Speaker 3: to translate in the NFL. I mean, he had some
Speaker 3: nerve damage in his hand. I think that really affected him.
Speaker 3: But a quarterback from Ohio State, Raxton Miller, Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: very Yeah, he extremely talented. Another one, and he was
Speaker 3: so talented, went to a wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 3: He played for a little bit. Yeah, but is he
Speaker 3: still in the leak he was in the league last year?
Speaker 4: We could not I know, is that one night at
Speaker 4: Ole State. There were a couple of times where he
Speaker 4: went like seventy We had like three unblocked guys in
Speaker 4: the hole, and not only do we not tackle him.
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody touched him. I mean, that guy
Speaker 4: was such a.
Speaker 1: One of them.
Speaker 4: I mean he was so talented that really Yeah, so
Speaker 4: you reminded me. You say, you're running me a lot
Speaker 4: of of Dinard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're They're very similar that way, for sure.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that you hope those guys because they're not
Speaker 3: going to get paid like that in the real world.
Speaker 3: And that's a huge that's a bummer. I know Donard's
Speaker 3: coaching now, and I hope, I hope he's a head
Speaker 3: coach someday. I hope he goes coach Michigan. I think
Speaker 3: he's coaching had Jacksonville. He's the running backs coach to Jacksonville.
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, the Jags. Baby, he's making that climb
Speaker 3: he is. That's a bit of a deal. I want
Speaker 3: to ask Dobs about GPP. Did you ever do GPP
Speaker 3: against players at Nebraska.
Speaker 1: No, I've never done an they did.
Speaker 2: They always did their own things similar like he was
Speaker 2: a vander he was never doing it with the band
Speaker 2: players like Harder Ship.
Speaker 1: So you've only lost to me and g PP. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I lost to you, say our team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you keep bringing that up. Who is your teammate. God,
Speaker 1: please stop doing this.
Speaker 2: I was I was the teammate. I was a teammate,
Speaker 2: al right, I let down?
Speaker 1: Was it Matt? Who's my guy? Mat?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Matt?
Speaker 3: Me and Matt dominated Will and Dobson and a g
Speaker 3: P P and Dobson prizes himself on that stuff. Man,
Speaker 3: I took his soul that day, So I really want
Speaker 3: to get that out.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: That was just for me, and I feel amazing right
Speaker 3: now just hearing that.
Speaker 4: All I know is he was supposed to go to
Speaker 4: dinner with us last night, so he's gotten kind of
Speaker 4: soft and I heard he had to go. So he's
Speaker 4: supposed to hook up with us, hook up with us
Speaker 4: for dinner, and but now he's kind of hanging out
Speaker 4: with the elites.
Speaker 1: You know that he's white collar. I'm hanging out hanging
Speaker 1: out with Will and Taylor some white collar. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: blues fading on him for sure. That's tough to hear,
Speaker 1: I know, especially a guy who respected and want.
Speaker 2: You know how much as just eating at him back there.
Speaker 1: You believe it. I don't. I can't believe it. You
Speaker 1: turned into no comment. Oh man, So you think you'll
Speaker 1: ever coach college again?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: I don't know. You know, you never say never. I
Speaker 4: don't you know, you don't ever close any doors or anything.
Speaker 4: But I'm not real that the the whole transfer thing,
Speaker 4: the NIL. There's a lot of things that I don't
Speaker 4: quite agree with that are that are going on in
Speaker 4: the direction of it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I you know, you I would say that I would
Speaker 4: lean more towards saying I if I if I'm coaching again,
Speaker 4: it will probably probably be in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Oh, how do you think you'd handle the NIL stuff? Well,
Speaker 1: you've got to embrace it if you're going to do it.
Speaker 4: But it's I don't I think it's going to be
Speaker 4: interesting to see if anybody. I think it's almost going
Speaker 4: to be impossible for them to police it. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know, like exactly what all the rules are
Speaker 4: and how much they can make and all those types
Speaker 4: of things.
Speaker 1: But it's going to be like the Wild West.
Speaker 2: Seems like a lot of gray area for how many
Speaker 2: team meetings that we have had already over the.
Speaker 4: NIL one I would have got, I would have got.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking out there.
Speaker 2: I remember so so back, you know, it was that
Speaker 2: was when Twitter was kind of starting to everybody's kind
Speaker 2: of getting their Twitter accounts, like yeah, Boe.
Speaker 1: Didn't want us to have Twitter, you know, the boy
Speaker 1: like you don't say that. Okay, sorry, I let you
Speaker 1: have Twitter. There's no doubt.
Speaker 4: But there was like, well when when when they're just
Speaker 4: when you're putting the stupidest things out there, I said, no,
Speaker 4: it's over, you're done.
Speaker 2: So I'm pioneering the lead to keep Twitter. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like yeah, hunter K and
Speaker 2: so you know, Bow's allowing us to keep it, but
Speaker 2: you know, be solid on it.
Speaker 4: He took it away for a while and I said,
Speaker 4: that's right, taken away nothing about the team, nothing about
Speaker 4: you know, no, I said, just know that it could
Speaker 4: be taken away that quick said.
Speaker 1: Like vrabel type stuff like with the media, like at
Speaker 1: the media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so bo gives his Twitter back and boys
Speaker 2: are all having a good time. And on one weekday morning,
Speaker 2: I have a call a miscall from Bow at like
Speaker 2: six in the morning. You know when you when you
Speaker 2: wake up, your alarm gold and you look at asshole
Speaker 2: gets a little tighty like holy.
Speaker 1: Ship, ye things are about to go down.
Speaker 3: It's it's almost as bad as waking up for a
Speaker 3: workout five minutes before it starts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I call him and he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you might come into my office. I'm like, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: you know it's not good news.
Speaker 1: You know I'm sweating telling I've been there. And so
Speaker 1: I go to his office and I sit down.
Speaker 2: He's like he sits back, He's like, so you guys
Speaker 2: wanted Twitter back right, and then he picks up this
Speaker 2: piece of paper and he goes, here's what comes across
Speaker 2: my desk in the morning. And he looks down and
Speaker 2: he goes, Lamborghini, Mercy, your chick, she's so thirsty. I'm
Speaker 2: in my two seat, Lambeau, and your girl she's trying
Speaker 2: to jerk me. He looks up him and he goes,
Speaker 2: the fuck am I supposed to do it that? And me,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and like, you know, knowing it's lyrics
Speaker 2: to a JAYZ song, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, coach, and obviously I do nothing like where that
Speaker 3: came from.
Speaker 4: He's got big guys when he's looking when I'm reading this,
Speaker 4: but I think he's also wanting to laugh, because I'm
Speaker 4: sure I'm not.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, your head coaches think he just
Speaker 3: put down a hot Trap said.
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, Coach, it's just it's just lyrics.
Speaker 2: He's like, not everybody knows that, and he's like, this
Speaker 2: can be taken down to any context. You know, big
Speaker 2: tubs forty eight, shout out, shout out Tobyokimi, dude, but
Speaker 2: big Tubs forty eight. And then you know, we go
Speaker 2: to practice and then after practice he's like, he's like,
Speaker 2: uh so we stand up. He's like big Tobes forty
Speaker 2: eight and then he yeah, and I'm kind of sitting
Speaker 2: there like you know, you know it's gone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Then he just kind of reiterates how important it is
Speaker 2: that you know, not like do dumb ship on Twitter
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But he reads and I know
Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, oh, he has no clue
Speaker 2: to the lyrics. He thinks he's just like about to
Speaker 2: get jerked off in some two seat Lamborghini.
Speaker 1: But so when the nil, I was like, what good, Like,
Speaker 1: why who does that? Everybody? I know mind blow it's
Speaker 1: just mind blowing them.
Speaker 3: I'd be in the back of that, I take it,
Speaker 3: and A just like this guy has no idea ye, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's so funny. The number one thing guys do is
Speaker 3: they like put their quote of them doing this standing
Speaker 3: thing in front of a car that's probably not theirs,
Speaker 3: and then they put some line.
Speaker 2: And so all of our group chats were hitting all
Speaker 2: the what do you think? What do you think our
Speaker 2: team would be like? If the NIO would have got
Speaker 2: released the world? You know, laughing, we would be in
Speaker 2: a team meeting right now. But I couldn't wait to
Speaker 2: ask you, like, how you think you'd handle this new
Speaker 2: nil world? And you know, it seems like you don't
Speaker 2: want to coach college football anymore? He said, if fuck,
Speaker 2: I'm not dealing with this this kind of bullshit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually, I mean it was just funny, like
Speaker 4: Corey Levin yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well well yeah, yeah disrepect. Is he his fit?
Speaker 1: Is he looking in that picture? Yeah? He looks good,
Speaker 1: he does. How much are you went? Golfer?
Speaker 4: But but I could not believe that, you know, like
Speaker 4: just I never really thought about it from his standpoint,
Speaker 4: And we're sitting under one team and we're waiting to
Speaker 4: tee off and he somebody NIL came up and he goes,
Speaker 4: yeah can He goes, They're gonna be kids that haven't
Speaker 4: done anything making more money than some of us that
Speaker 4: are playing for the league. Minimum goes, he goes, what's like,
Speaker 4: how about that? I never really thought about it from
Speaker 4: that standpoint.
Speaker 1: He brought that up in the group chat. He was,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a great point. Yeah, it is like
Speaker 1: do you cap a number? Yes, he can only make
Speaker 1: a million bucks. I don't know, but you know what
Speaker 1: it is, it's like the free market.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like there's you know, there's this world that
Speaker 2: people a lot of people like don't agree with, the
Speaker 2: social media aspect that's coming up. People can kind of
Speaker 2: build their brands and do all that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: and capitalize on it without necessarily.
Speaker 4: I saw four guys getting what they you know, making
Speaker 4: money and doing all those types of things. It's just
Speaker 4: to me, it all happens so fast. It doesn't seem
Speaker 4: to be well thought out. I don't think they even
Speaker 4: understand what the problems are going to be with it.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the transfer role. It went from
Speaker 4: hard transfer, Yeah you've got a city here too. Now
Speaker 4: they're granting everybody the U waivers to now anybody can
Speaker 4: transfer one time and just be eligible right away.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, so you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Like almost why be a head coach and those kind
Speaker 2: of when those things can play.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you kid, kid doesn't get instant gratification. I'm gone,
Speaker 4: that isn't the way life works. You know, that is
Speaker 4: not the way life works. I mean, you you're not
Speaker 4: gonna get You got to work your butt off. You know,
Speaker 4: you're not always going to walk in. Heck, you walked in.
Speaker 4: You came in and got red shirted. I'm sure you
Speaker 4: wanted to play as a true freshman. Wasn't the best
Speaker 4: thing for you. You probably you could have played it as
Speaker 4: a true freshman, but ultimately it wasn't the best long
Speaker 4: term thing for you, and you had to wait. That's
Speaker 4: just the way life works. But kids are not getting
Speaker 4: that message anymore. I mean from the recruiting process right
Speaker 4: on through. I remember a few years back it was
Speaker 4: funny that I think back and they asked me one
Speaker 4: time at the Big Ten media day about signing day,
Speaker 4: and I said, I think signing days asinine, And they said, well,
Speaker 4: what do you mean. I said, there shouldn't be a
Speaker 4: signing day. They said, well, I don't understand what you're saying.
Speaker 4: And I said, but kid commits, he should sign. Why
Speaker 4: does there have to be one day to sign right,
Speaker 4: And I said, because so then they could commit, they
Speaker 4: can decommit all these different things. I said, A, it
Speaker 4: would be better for the player, It would be better
Speaker 4: for the schools, be it would be better for the
Speaker 4: players because they're you know, in recruiting, there are teams
Speaker 4: schools that offer kids they have no intention of taking right,
Speaker 4: you know, for whatever reason, they do these things, and
Speaker 4: and it would just be better for everybody involved. But
Speaker 4: it would you know, like well, never really thought about
Speaker 4: it that way. Well, sometimes we all got to sit
Speaker 4: and think a little bit, a.
Speaker 2: Little too easy, think a little bit, guy, Yeah, just
Speaker 2: feel dumb as shit after being told that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta sit and think a little bit. It's true.
Speaker 1: Think about it.
Speaker 4: If you didn't have a signing day, it would slow
Speaker 4: and it would slow recruiting down again. I think the
Speaker 4: worst thing about recruiting right now is now they're freshmen
Speaker 4: being recruited or sophomore.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It seems like eighth graders.
Speaker 4: Look at you, look at perfect example, you didn't really
Speaker 4: come into your own to your senior year. God only
Speaker 4: knows in this this day and age, what would happened
Speaker 4: you Probably you wouldn't have had all the offer because
Speaker 4: a lot of people would have been filled up by that.
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of schools were at the time, schools
Speaker 3: like Texas and USC They already had their whole drafted
Speaker 3: back then. Yeah, even more so now absolutely.
Speaker 4: Because ultimately and no one would want this. But slowing
Speaker 4: it down is better for the players and the schools.
Speaker 4: All well, it gives you more of time to make
Speaker 4: an educated decision.
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Speaker 2: a head coach at a place like Nebraska, like, what
Speaker 2: do you feel like is the hardest Well, was the
Speaker 2: hardest part of that job?
Speaker 1: Recruiting? And is that all that's got to be the
Speaker 1: hardest thing? In general always.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean it's more so at a place
Speaker 4: like Nebraska because you're going to get like probably eighty
Speaker 4: five percent of your players, you know, of your scholarship
Speaker 4: players are going to be from out of state.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one year we signed like twenty three kids.
Speaker 1: What was it was there?
Speaker 4: Twenty three kids from seventeen different states in the average
Speaker 4: was just under one thousand miles away. So you had
Speaker 4: to turn over every rock you had, you know, our
Speaker 4: you got to.
Speaker 2: Find guys at the big schools on the coast probably
Speaker 2: didn't want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to have the best recruiting guys out
Speaker 3: there in all differentea.
Speaker 1: You had to evaluate and keep evaluating. You know.
Speaker 4: We had, uh, you know, like a mirror. We got
Speaker 4: a mirror because we're the only ones that really wanted
Speaker 4: him to play running back. Yeah, you know, Auburn wanted
Speaker 4: him to play corner and Quincy Quincy and Nunwell. I mean,
Speaker 4: I I can't remember who we beat on him. I
Speaker 4: mean he he had like one other one or two
Speaker 4: other offers. They were smaller schools really, I.
Speaker 2: Mean Leavante, it was out of Nebraska and South Florida.
Speaker 3: Avante. We beat South Florida. That's just the most wild thing.
Speaker 3: How talented he is, right, craah. And they thought he
Speaker 3: was too small.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they would say, I mean I what Levante played
Speaker 4: for US around two o eight too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in the teens at highest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's his first year.
Speaker 5: His first year is two nine, two ten, and then
Speaker 5: his last year was sixteen to two nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did he play the whole year at that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, he'd lose a little bit during the year,
Speaker 5: but he was solid to fifteen to two nineteen.
Speaker 2: He need his ass off too, because Levonte didn't have
Speaker 2: a driver's license in college. So I was like the
Speaker 2: guy who had the license, and so Lavonte would ride
Speaker 2: with me and he'd want me to pull in Sonic
Speaker 2: all the time. He'd be getting the fucking chili cheese
Speaker 2: dogs and yeah, tell about I got a game weight
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, you think this is the right
Speaker 2: way to gain weight?
Speaker 3: And well, in college is you's got to eat whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: on a budget. That's a classic thing too. The Nebraska
Speaker 3: pages up. That's got Lavonte David at two twenty five.
Speaker 1: Right clover, Yeah, oh classic. He never never never spe.
Speaker 3: Not even close talk to me I want, and we're
Speaker 3: kind of it's already an hour. It's been a great
Speaker 3: pot You've been doing an amazing job. Talk to me
Speaker 3: about your experience as well, like like recruiting him and
Speaker 3: then he loved Yeah, yeah he could.
Speaker 1: He probably he decommitted about what twenty six do you
Speaker 1: He wouldn't decommit, but I will.
Speaker 4: He wanted, he wanted, he wanted to be loved, he wanted,
Speaker 4: he wanted to do, he wanted to talk all the time.
Speaker 1: Hey, at the end of the day, it's all we
Speaker 1: all want, right, we just want to be loved.
Speaker 4: Like I would hang up the phone with him and
Speaker 4: I would just look at my wife and say, I
Speaker 4: hope he goes somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Oh I did not just start crying on the pod. No, No,
Speaker 1: he was Did you have a lot offers? Yeah? Oh yeah, four.
Speaker 4: Star athletes, big recruit and uh, you know, obviously it
Speaker 4: was my first year or so. We were we worked
Speaker 4: on him and he told me, you know, I for
Speaker 4: for a while, I tell him the story like how
Speaker 4: it had because he was getting ready to flip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so who are you going to flip too? Probably
Speaker 2: it was Illinois and Miszoo. So just to give content,
Speaker 2: give to give context. Like Illinois had just competed in
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl against USC and they had Jay Lahman,
Speaker 2: who was like an All American linebacker who.
Speaker 4: Was close there at the time, and he was really
Speaker 4: you know, Zook was a great recruiter, right.
Speaker 1: Because Champagne doesn't seem like the most fun place in
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm definitely glad I didn't go there. And
Speaker 2: then Miszoo had chased Angel. Yeah, Miszoo had chased Annuel
Speaker 2: and Jeremy Macklin and they were, you know, in the
Speaker 2: Big Twelve Championship. They were like that close. So you
Speaker 2: had the instant pressure pressure of going to Missoo. And
Speaker 2: then I had committed to Nebraska before the season started,
Speaker 2: So before Nebraska's even playing, we had like a top
Speaker 2: five recruiting class. Blaine Gabbert was the quarterback, five star
Speaker 2: quarterback we had. We had a top five recruiting class
Speaker 2: for sure, and all the rival rankings and ship and
Speaker 2: Nebraska had a bad year. They went like five and seven.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the first time they hadn't done something,
Speaker 2: and then you know X amount of years, so they
Speaker 2: fired Bill Callahan. They wanted like his you know, his
Speaker 2: head on a stake. Basically, Nebrassa is crazy when it
Speaker 2: goes off. We're talking about all the breakup stuff earlier
Speaker 2: with him Exit by ten with Bill Callahan. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so Nebrassa's basically falling apart. It's not like the nineties
Speaker 2: this that the other and SO guys are decommitting. They're
Speaker 2: jumping ship and MISSOO and Illinois were having good years
Speaker 2: and they were recruiting me hard. And there was this
Speaker 2: time where they didn't have a head coach in place
Speaker 2: in Bo. They didn't have an AD yet, So I
Speaker 2: was taking visits to other places because I was probably.
Speaker 1: Going to decommit and go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: And tom Osborn gets hired as the ad. He comes
Speaker 2: into Old bond Ter Missouri teachers. Old teachers are going
Speaker 2: nuts about tom Osmore because he's like one of the
Speaker 2: most wingingst coaches of all time. And he's like, I
Speaker 2: can assure you're gonna like the new head coach. And
Speaker 2: you know you're sitting there as a kid, fucking drinking
Speaker 2: your ow kool aid and shit like that, Like I
Speaker 2: still figured I was gonna go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: Bo gets hired.
Speaker 2: I go on official visit to Nebraska.
Speaker 1: It was a solid visit. Shut up.
Speaker 2: L Laurence was my host both he did a great job.
Speaker 2: He took my mom to church because that's what did it,
Speaker 2: and that's what did it.
Speaker 1: From my mom.
Speaker 2: We get back, you know how it is getting recruited
Speaker 2: like you're special. It just well, just just taking her
Speaker 2: to church. My mom she's a Catholic school president, so
Speaker 2: she's like that really tugged on her heart strings. And
Speaker 2: you know at that point, being a senior, you're having
Speaker 2: to miss basketball games, watching your friends, your the volleyball games,
Speaker 2: like going this stuff because you're having in home visits.
Speaker 2: That's back when you can get texts, phone calls all
Speaker 2: the time. There's like no limits. So I'm just over recruiting.
Speaker 2: Like Notre Dame came in late, which is where I
Speaker 2: wanted to go initially, and I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: go on a visit because like I just don't care
Speaker 2: anymore at this point.
Speaker 1: But offered late. Notre Dame offered late, like after guys
Speaker 1: didn't commit at the All American Games. I was like
Speaker 1: a fucking you know.
Speaker 2: Back yeah peace, yeah, And so missoo visits. My mom's
Speaker 2: school at Saint Rose. This is a week before I'm
Speaker 2: announcing me say that I was going to Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Going to make my announcement on Tuesday before. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I mean I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: That's how it was done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: nothing in front of you.
Speaker 1: And that's what we beat.
Speaker 4: A staff beating and I would be like, no offense,
Speaker 4: excuse my pardon my friends, but is this guy a douche?
Speaker 1: Oh? That hurts so miszoo missoo.
Speaker 2: The linebacker coach comes and visit my mom at her school,
Speaker 2: comes to the school and visits Logan's with me, and
Speaker 2: so we have a good time at school, and I'm
Speaker 2: like he's like, yo, what you know who you gonna
Speaker 2: pick out? A you know, missoo and Illinois. Because I
Speaker 2: had told my mom, look, I'm not going to Nebraska.
Speaker 2: Like it's not going to happen. Because she had such
Speaker 2: a good time on the visit, my mom starts crying
Speaker 2: in the living room because she wants me to go
Speaker 2: to Nebraska because she loves bo. Yeah exactly, And you know,
Speaker 2: I was just like, it's gonna be Missouri Illinois.
Speaker 1: Plus it's closer to home.
Speaker 2: I can be closer to home, and you know, the
Speaker 2: old man, he's like, oh, you gotta go, you gotta
Speaker 2: you know, don't worry about that shit, don't worry about
Speaker 2: the nstate pressure.
Speaker 1: Bah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So Bo calls me on the way back from a
Speaker 2: zoo visiting my mom at school. Bo calls me, comp
Speaker 2: what's up? Cop, daddy?
Speaker 1: What's up? You said? Daddy? Cop? Daddy? Cop daddy? What's up? Baby?
Speaker 1: These embellishing things? Yeah, I can I do?
Speaker 2: Can? Can you let me do one more favorite before
Speaker 2: you make your decision next week? And it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a courtesy.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, yeah, sure, what's up? Because I'm
Speaker 2: thinking what could it be? And he goes, I want
Speaker 2: to fly my staff down for Sunday to watch the
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game. And I'm bummed, and I said, yes,
Speaker 2: Like I do him do the favorite because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm over the in home visits, I'm over all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, sure, coach, we can do that.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I want to fly down, you know,
Speaker 2: called the decordinator linebacker coach dB. All the defensive staff
Speaker 2: didn't send up that wasn't you know stay at home,
Speaker 2: dub Yeah. And the practical staff comes in that night
Speaker 2: for the NFC Championship game, and I'm talking like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like the wedding, like everyone's vibing in different rooms,
Speaker 2: everyone's kind of cross pollinating, like having the best time ever.
Speaker 1: And they walked down the great time.
Speaker 2: We're teaching the old guys about the new iPhone, like
Speaker 2: we're playing games in the other room, some people watching it.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that process was the iPhone right right?
Speaker 2: And Egler, the linebacker coach, he has this temporary tattoo
Speaker 2: that looks real of my name on his arm and
Speaker 2: everything else, like we just have a great night.
Speaker 1: Oh you guys.
Speaker 3: You definitely said Tom Daddy if you got coaches with
Speaker 3: temporary tattoos.
Speaker 2: And so they walk out of the house and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is I don't know where else i'd write, who
Speaker 2: else I'd rather play for? Like people always say picked
Speaker 2: the school, picked this and that, and you know, I'm
Speaker 2: always somebody who like I picked the staff, because when
Speaker 2: they left, I was like, these are who I want
Speaker 2: to play for. These guys who I want to play for.
Speaker 2: And from that moment, and then I went big red
Speaker 2: really yeah.
Speaker 3: So the last swing was that was on Rune because
Speaker 3: there was going the other way. There's nob Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: going to Missouri.
Speaker 1: Probably in Missouri it was probably Miszoo. It's private Miszoo.
Speaker 1: You might have he might have.
Speaker 4: He might have into four schools in those four days.
Speaker 2: Hey, my freshman year. Then when I was red shirted,
Speaker 2: Miszoo waxed us. Oh I remember Carl coming over like,
Speaker 2: trust me, we'll never lose the Miszoo like this again. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: we could have had something. Well you got to offer
Speaker 2: by Nebraska, we could have had something. Yeah, no question,
Speaker 2: But what's your What didn't press me like he pressed
Speaker 2: you though? Bo?
Speaker 3: Like he came to the school and it was awesome.
Speaker 3: I was like, he was the first head coach, I think,
Speaker 3: the only head coach to come see me. So I
Speaker 3: thought that was the coolest shit ever. But other than that,
Speaker 3: you committed really quick to Michigan. It was a couple
Speaker 3: of months by Like, like I said, they within the
Speaker 3: three month period.
Speaker 1: What they do out there in Michigan. I got that dough. Baby.
Speaker 1: Did you get paid?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't get paid.
Speaker 2: I don't get dude, I was, have you ever what
Speaker 2: have you ever slid an envelope? No boosters for that?
Speaker 1: Yea? That? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean any good boo stories in the tank? No,
Speaker 3: I know, I mean there there was no one Nebraska there.
Speaker 1: He's such a but I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: What do you know what I mean, all the.
Speaker 4: Years you've known me, do you think that I would
Speaker 4: pay a player.
Speaker 1: Just before I would do that? There's no way. But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, because I think they'd
Speaker 1: own you. You're in l s U. Dude, you're in
Speaker 1: the SEC. No, let me tell you how that was.
Speaker 1: Shoot is not cheap.
Speaker 4: Now, I was with you. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 4: whether what happens. I don't know if there's something well.
Speaker 1: I Tyron Matthew on here at some point.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if there's some booster somewhere
Speaker 4: that couds. You can't control that. I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 4: can't control that. But I'm just saying, like, if you're
Speaker 4: aware of it, you.
Speaker 3: Know no, no, I I I've never saw it, Okay,
Speaker 3: but I also think that people know me well enough
Speaker 3: to know that I wouldn't want to be around that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, they wouldn't. I mean, they wouldn't know.
Speaker 1: I believe you as.
Speaker 3: A coach, you you didn't pay any players or you know,
Speaker 3: facilitate that move.
Speaker 1: But I mean, LS, you definitely come on about that.
Speaker 1: We're talking about.
Speaker 4: Well, I've said this, I truly believe that this whole
Speaker 4: Nile thing, all it does is, I mean the stuff
Speaker 4: was going on, I mean from the boosters and all
Speaker 4: that that stuff was going on. So they did was
Speaker 4: make some of the cheating that was happening legal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, so I go, I'm recruiting this
Speaker 4: kid down in Texas and are we allowed to give names?
Speaker 4: I honestly don't remember what I mean. I've recruited so
Speaker 4: many kids out of there. And I walk in and
Speaker 4: it all families there, like the mother, a couple of
Speaker 4: some of the kids. There's answers, uncles. It was just huge,
Speaker 4: great room like this. It was like this so like
Speaker 4: in that corner is like these high to like a
Speaker 4: high top bar, and it seemed like across fifty yards
Speaker 4: away there's you know, some couches and a TV set up.
Speaker 4: It was a kind of a weird setup. And she's like,
Speaker 4: let's go over here, coach and talk. And we're sitting
Speaker 4: there talking and and we're communicating, and we're tom talking
Speaker 4: about the scholarship and I hear this noise behind me
Speaker 4: and I'm like, nah, I can't be and I'm just
Speaker 4: kind of getting distracted and what kind.
Speaker 1: Of noises are we hearing? Pint me a picture.
Speaker 2: Can you mimic those noises?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, who is it?
Speaker 3: Like a there was both, there was feminine and what
Speaker 3: do the dude sound like?
Speaker 1: There were some grunts going on.
Speaker 2: Can you.
Speaker 1: You can't?
Speaker 4: So I turn around and I'm like, I'm like, this
Speaker 4: has can't be what I think it is. I turn
Speaker 4: around and there's this big screen TV and they're back
Speaker 4: there and they're like, all like watching porn.
Speaker 1: They got porn going heavy? Who is they while the uncles? Yeah,
Speaker 1: while I'm while I'm recruiting the other just sitting there,
Speaker 1: half chubbed with each other. Yeah, they're sitting there and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, look at that.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, and the mom kind of looks at me.
Speaker 4: She goes coach ignore them. I'm like, wow, it's kind
Speaker 4: of hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a little unusual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that that could go. Where were you at
Speaker 1: the time. I was at Nebraska the time. Did he
Speaker 1: come to Nebraska?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: He didn't end up coming Probably for the best, huh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know, if I say, I don't even know
Speaker 4: if I kept recruiting A.
Speaker 3: Kidding, Oh, it was over. I mean, it was that
Speaker 3: was so bizarre. That's a weird deal. Weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to.
Speaker 2: Recruit in the living room and you hear just poorn
Speaker 2: behind you. You know, me personally, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm joining them or if I'm going to continue to recruit.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Let's catch up in a second.
Speaker 1: And we got going on here. Yeah, that's a weird
Speaker 1: deal man.
Speaker 4: To see what I was telling Will last night about
Speaker 4: I was recruiting down in Texas and Tim Beck and
Speaker 4: I were I know one of them was Jamal Turner
Speaker 4: because we were going to his school, but it was
Speaker 4: either Donovan, Vestal or Cere. So we're at this other school.
Speaker 4: We walk in to see the coach and he's also
Speaker 4: the Diana Boys, and he's sitting there. There's this kid
Speaker 4: in there looked like something from like one of the
Speaker 4: eighties movies with like spiked hair. Yeah, like all kinds
Speaker 4: of crazy shit going on in his terror and he's
Speaker 4: getting he's getting the coaches laying into.
Speaker 1: Him, Hey boss, you're good. And I'm talking buss.
Speaker 3: And about thirty you know kids, and we catch like
Speaker 3: the last thirty seconds and the coach is like, so
Speaker 3: get your you know, get your shit together, get out
Speaker 3: of here. And the kid gets up and kind of
Speaker 3: nods at us as he walks by, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, so.
Speaker 1: We do our visit leave that school.
Speaker 4: So we knew Jamal was had a He had a
Speaker 4: like a what do they call it, those athletic periods.
Speaker 4: So we they were having basketball practice, so let's go,
Speaker 4: let's go grab lunch and we'll go over there and
Speaker 4: we'll get there right when.
Speaker 1: Basketball practice is over.
Speaker 4: So we get show up at Jamal's school and we
Speaker 4: walk in and the coaches there, the head coach is
Speaker 4: out there talking and they're just finishing up basketball practice.
Speaker 1: And we look up.
Speaker 4: And and I see Tim Becker. He was my off
Speaker 4: of our offensive coordinator. He goes, hey, what's up man?
Speaker 4: And I turned and I look. It was the kid
Speaker 4: that was in the other school, sitting there getting chewed
Speaker 4: out by the coach. By the Dina boys. He's walking
Speaker 4: by and goes, hey, what's up man. A kid goes hey,
Speaker 4: what's up, and Beca goes.
Speaker 1: Aren't you going to Booie? Aren't you from Bowie? He goes, no,
Speaker 1: I'm here.
Speaker 2: No, oh, he just from the old school.
Speaker 3: And he walks in the door closes and he sits
Speaker 3: down in class, and I'm like, look at each other, like,
Speaker 3: what the hell happened? That kid was just going for
Speaker 3: other school like an hour and forgot in a wild.
Speaker 1: The kid is left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was at the other and then he walked in.
Speaker 3: He turned around out taking no, I'm here now, like
Speaker 3: it's a totally normal thing. He was just a regular student,
Speaker 3: backs like, hey, what's up, and they're like they're like
Speaker 3: like they knew each other. And I turned around, I'm like,
Speaker 3: is that that? And he walks in like is that
Speaker 3: that kid?
Speaker 1: Back? Hey, I thought you were over at Bullie And
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm here now.
Speaker 3: Out of here, and there's God, that's awesome. Foxles. He transferred.
Speaker 3: He did, he entered the portal.
Speaker 1: He just.
Speaker 2: Before we get you out of here. I think it's
Speaker 2: imperative to tell the Deon Sanders story. This was something
Speaker 2: you told me when I was getting recruited because I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about because you had coached at
Speaker 2: San Fran when he was on San Fran.
Speaker 1: Right, because you would talk about he would I would
Speaker 1: find his back.
Speaker 4: I was like an assistant, you know, I was like
Speaker 4: an assistant at that time, Like I was just start
Speaker 4: as my first year in coaching, and and uh, you know,
Speaker 4: people have that this misconception about Dion about you know that,
Speaker 4: you know, because everybody saw the flat and everything. I
Speaker 4: always say I thought he was like, no, he was
Speaker 4: a he obviously a tremendous competitor. And uh, but we're
Speaker 4: in a we're in a play we're in the playoffs,
Speaker 4: and we're in a meeting and and uh, you know
Speaker 4: we're we're we're in like a quarters defense and that
Speaker 4: you know, they run the dig, they run the post
Speaker 4: in behind, and the safety was like a got more
Speaker 4: of a backup, kind of a nickel guy. And he's
Speaker 4: in there and he were like, you can don't be
Speaker 4: jumping the dig. You got you know, you cover, you
Speaker 4: got the post. And he's like I was. I was
Speaker 4: looking to get a pick. And they're like, we're like, no,
Speaker 4: you got the post. And he's like, I'll be there
Speaker 4: on Sunday. He goes like I was looking to get
Speaker 4: a pick here in practice. We're like and Dion turned
Speaker 4: and said, you got you got the post, and you know,
Speaker 4: you know, he's just the kid was just kind of
Speaker 4: yapp and a little bit next thing, you know, I
Speaker 4: had him buy basically by the throat up against the wall,
Speaker 4: saying and so in not so kind of terms, you better,
Speaker 4: you better be there all the time. Yeah, you're you're
Speaker 4: you're fing with our money. You know, this is playoff time,
Speaker 4: this is a real deal. And and it was like
Speaker 4: you know that when he got on the field, it
Speaker 4: was all you know, when he when it was time
Speaker 4: to play, it was all business man.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I mean he was a you know, just a great competitor.
Speaker 4: And you know, everybody saw the dancing and all the
Speaker 4: other things, but you know, he was he was a
Speaker 4: freak athlete. I mean I was. I was at that time.
Speaker 4: I was just cutting my teeth and coach, I was
Speaker 4: just learning, you know. And but we had some great
Speaker 4: players on that team. We won the Super Bowl that year,
Speaker 4: and some great players on that team.
Speaker 1: There you go, yes, sir, he doesn't call us sir,
Speaker 1: and I know he doesn't. That was the heyday back then,
Speaker 1: that was when we had this. We had some dudes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have some dudes. Some dudes. Now.
Speaker 2: Could you could you imagine being like, oh I got
Speaker 2: it on Sunday It's like no, no, you got the
Speaker 2: you got the post. I'll be there on Sunday and
Speaker 2: you just get somebody walking by the throat. But you
Speaker 2: against the wall there every day, not just on Sunday.
Speaker 1: We had some That's how though.
Speaker 2: What was what was it like watching him and Jerry
Speaker 2: Rice on the same team.
Speaker 4: Well, Jerry Rice, you know, I mean there's I don't
Speaker 4: think there's any ever been another player in the history
Speaker 4: of the game that has the work ethic that guy has.
Speaker 1: You know, that's the guy that runs the mile hill
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, he runs like, that's that guy that
Speaker 1: runs the mile hill.
Speaker 3: Well, I know Jerry that we talked about that that
Speaker 3: one time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he he did it every day and
Speaker 4: and and walk throughs whatever. It didn't matter. He was
Speaker 4: the same. Like I don't know if I can say
Speaker 4: out about anybody else I've ever ever run. I never
Speaker 4: saw him take a lazy step. I mean honestly, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's almost like like people like say that and like exaggerate.
Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating. Never took a lazy step.
Speaker 4: No, he he won me. Why he finished. He caught
Speaker 4: the ball and finished to the goal line and walked
Speaker 4: through us. I mean he was taped up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, man, come on, man to walk through He's
Speaker 1: taped up and walk through. Say that, Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wild. He was going he's one of the best ever?
Speaker 1: He is? Is he the best? The rest ever? Ever?
Speaker 3: I think he is. I mean I taped up and
Speaker 3: walked through running the end zone. I think in his position,
Speaker 3: he's got to be the best player.
Speaker 1: You weren't. I could tell you that you weren't. I
Speaker 1: played defense. I couldn't finish the end zone. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? You coulda off go to the tag off. Well,
Speaker 1: you couldn't catch either either. Bullshit, dude, wide receiver. I
Speaker 1: was all state widers.
Speaker 2: I did on defense because I dropped some easy picks.
Speaker 2: Bro jump some easy ones, easy ones. That's why he's
Speaker 2: referring to.
Speaker 1: That's how you want h Yeah, what happened you? Honestly?
Speaker 2: Like I was covering this back to the like he
Speaker 2: came up to do an option a round and I
Speaker 2: was covering him. He ran out and so I'm just
Speaker 2: covering him. It was like the end of the game.
Speaker 2: So I didn't think the ball is getting thrown too
Speaker 2: do you obviously never want to think that. But as
Speaker 2: I'm turning around to see if the ball gets thrown,
Speaker 2: the balls being thrown. It just hits me in the face,
Speaker 2: so I just didn't have time to catch it.
Speaker 1: And then there was that easy layup that one.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I'm probably just trying to survive,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because you're probably pissed off
Speaker 2: even though we won the fucking game. Remember remember Alfonso
Speaker 2: that the year against Colorado, he gave up the touch
Speaker 2: on at the end of the game. I mean we
Speaker 2: were the game was over and Alfonso gave up a touchdown. Basically,
Speaker 2: it was was lazy on the play, but both.
Speaker 1: Listen more than lazy. I was ready to kill him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Both comes in and he goes, you ever fucking do
Speaker 2: ship like that again, I'll send your as back to Georgia.
Speaker 2: Like you finished, like you know, finishing to the end
Speaker 2: of the game. Yeah, you finished.
Speaker 4: He's just oh he basically took the playoff. And let
Speaker 4: me tell you, Fonzo.
Speaker 1: Was a Yeah, he was a monster. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like it sounds like he really wasn't a competitor.
Speaker 1: Oh no, but he's.
Speaker 4: Really It was so out of character for him, and
Speaker 4: he took the playoff and gave up like a what
Speaker 4: like a seventy five year bomb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the game was over. Yeah, but Colorado
Speaker 1: was still you know, bombs fuming. I did. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't even think. I don't think I didn't even
Speaker 1: enjoy the win. Yeah happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of those ones where I'm like, I you
Speaker 4: know that that can't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, I don't even think I enjoyed the win.
Speaker 1: Was there ever a time you were mad at Will
Speaker 1: like that? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: So Will was pretty solid from the get go. Other
Speaker 3: than the recruiting bullshit. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Other than yeah, other than he wanted, you know, got
Speaker 4: his hand out all that stuff, the recruiting process, wanted
Speaker 4: to get that shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trying to get that down my house. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well it was a good dude though. I like that.
Speaker 4: Ye, he was posting rap songs and stuff when he
Speaker 4: was like on his Twitter and back that wasn't there
Speaker 4: was no Twitter back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, dub Lamborghini, mercy your chicks, she's so thirsty. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I was pretty suffer.
Speaker 2: There's one time Dobb's yelling at me because I couldn't
Speaker 2: finish the GPP, Like I'm laying on the ground like
Speaker 2: your tad and people are pouring water on me and
Speaker 2: dobs like, oh you think you can lead in front
Speaker 2: of eighty five thousand.
Speaker 1: But you can't. That's the worst, bro, six am or
Speaker 1: something like that. I'm a freshman just getting dummied.
Speaker 3: Do you guys do Matt Jill's in college? But you
Speaker 3: like have a towel and it's like, who can get
Speaker 3: the towlway from the other guy?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did this ship like that.
Speaker 3: I had knocked out doing that in college. Really, Oh
Speaker 3: Temple shot elbow sleeping?
Speaker 1: You guys do that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Bo only caught me kind of being lazy one time
Speaker 2: in practice and he's just like.
Speaker 1: You think you're in the fucking NFL. You It was like, baby,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 3: Remember the Remember the what was it the Virginia Tech game?
Speaker 1: Your freshman year? Yeah, well we're recher freshman year. Did
Speaker 1: he start his rest freshman year? Yeah?
Speaker 4: This was his freshman year, freshman fresh and he was
Speaker 4: being red shirted during that year. Oh yeah, yeah, We'll
Speaker 4: play in Virginia Tech and our fourth game kind of
Speaker 4: screws up a couple of times and he's standing there
Speaker 4: and I, you know.
Speaker 1: Get coughed and ready. You know, I'm standing there, bro, Dude,
Speaker 1: turn around. I look at him and he was looking
Speaker 1: at me, and I said, you ready to go? And
Speaker 1: he was like m hm hole. Part of the game.
Speaker 1: Was it like second chor third quarter, third quarter? I
Speaker 1: mean it was like you're standing. It was been standing
Speaker 1: for so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was like the first big game, like
Speaker 2: of Bo's ten. Ye, like, because you know, the first
Speaker 2: four games you're kind of playing like easing in. You
Speaker 2: play a big nine couple. That was our big non
Speaker 2: conference game, Tours and Rose Virginia Tech and I think
Speaker 2: we did. We win the It was like thirty. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, you're in the You're in
Speaker 2: the heat of the battle.
Speaker 1: Dude, get camps the right.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of standing there like hearing the conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy ship, do that thing. I almost had
Speaker 1: to go play guard my first game. Really.
Speaker 3: He has the chiefs our guard give up two sacks
Speaker 3: and like, hey, be ready to go play a guard
Speaker 3: and I'm like, you better get I'm gonna get up
Speaker 3: three sacks and what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Hey, you guard?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. It was brutal man First round picks
Speaker 3: not playing to go play guard. Yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 1: I mean the league.
Speaker 3: It's like you have seven guys dressing or whatever. So
Speaker 3: I was like the first guy in beside center and
Speaker 3: they had me. I mean, I'm literally I'm a one
Speaker 3: trick pint. I can only play left tackle. You put
Speaker 3: me a right tackle, It's go ahead. You can run
Speaker 3: around the edge all day long. So but during Canda
Speaker 3: have me playing let f right guard. They heavy playing
Speaker 3: everywhere and Andy Leavittrie started off. It started out tough.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, someone put him in a blender
Speaker 3: a couple times, and it was like early in the
Speaker 3: game and he's like, you're ready to go at guard,
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking myself, I'm about to be out of
Speaker 3: the league before I even started my career.
Speaker 1: One shit.
Speaker 3: Ever, I was freaking out. Thankfully, Andy finished the game.
Speaker 3: Shout at Andy lev Trie, I got to have some garbage.
Speaker 3: No he retired though, so shout out yeah. That was terrifying.
Speaker 3: Though I never was in a situation like that as
Speaker 3: a as a freshman because I was like two fifty
Speaker 3: getting into college. I was always in the sweatsuit, hanging
Speaker 3: out a little hungover watching the game.
Speaker 1: It was awesome. It's a good time, man, I was.
Speaker 3: I was late to the Ohio State game my freshman
Speaker 3: year anyway, so that's who you were going to deal with.
Speaker 3: If I went to Nebraska, it wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I overslept.
Speaker 3: I literally ran like two miles to the stadium and
Speaker 3: showed up like thirty minutes before kickoff. We didn't make
Speaker 3: a Bowl giame that year, so after the game it
Speaker 3: was like, everyone go home. Never got in trouble for it.
Speaker 1: But the looks I got during the game, Oh, it
Speaker 1: was brutal stuff. Who was Who was the coach when
Speaker 1: you were there? Was? It? Was it?
Speaker 3: Brady No, rich Rodriguez, Okay, rich Ardriguez for the first
Speaker 3: two years and then Brady Hope for the last three.
Speaker 3: So I mean we went to a Sugar Bowl one time,
Speaker 3: played Virginia Tech won like in a triple overtime on
Speaker 3: a kick. Brady did a good job there, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought he did. And he was a great guy too.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed my time with Brady rich Rod. I
Speaker 3: don't think Richard got a fair shot from the kick
Speaker 3: go because it was really like nineties eighties. We want
Speaker 3: Michigan to be like that, and he came in He's
Speaker 3: like that, dude's all spread right, you know. He came
Speaker 3: from from West Virginia and he started doing the spread.
Speaker 3: He had a lot of tools though, he said when
Speaker 3: he started getting knew what they were hiring, and yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's what he did. He was the best at it.
Speaker 3: But you know yet these people hiring, but the fans
Speaker 3: might not agree with that. Higher I think from the
Speaker 3: gek did. They wanted Harball from the very beginning. The
Speaker 3: whole time I was there, like we need to get Harball,
Speaker 3: I need to get Harriball. And now he's there and
Speaker 3: the success where it hasn't been great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think their first couple of years or won nine
Speaker 3: ten games. But last year were we looking up and
Speaker 3: Portanly was on like two and four? Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: really what's up stuff? To win nine and things? Is
Speaker 3: people think it's easy, it's not. They find out real
Speaker 3: quick it's not. Yeah, isn't it's portantly a Michigan guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was at the same time Brady was. Yeah, both
Speaker 3: that hell of careers.
Speaker 1: Man. You had a little altercation of portan HQ, didn't you.
Speaker 1: I mean not really.
Speaker 2: I felt like he was kind of wanting some kind
Speaker 2: of altercation.
Speaker 1: He want the cameras run. Yeah, so he won a
Speaker 1: little fistfight.
Speaker 2: Verbally, yeah, and you I mean I saw him, Oh,
Speaker 2: what's up, boss, and I'm boss.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how it called her my boss? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like actually your boss.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I mean yeah, but I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're here at HQ and he's like, yeah, where else
Speaker 2: would I be.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I mean, I don't know. I've seen you
Speaker 1: in Miami a lot, Like yeah, it wasn't a question
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He said, oh yeah, yeah at h Q, and so
Speaker 2: I'm just like that's awesome, and yeah, check it out
Speaker 2: on under the Hood subscribed to you, but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's on under the Hood.
Speaker 2: And then I felt him when he was walking over,
Speaker 2: and I was like, it's up, Dave.
Speaker 1: I just felt like he.
Speaker 2: Was just like, you know, interested, looking seeing what's up.
Speaker 1: He gets some content of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. But I didn't have
Speaker 2: the boy with me, you know what I mean, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 1: Right. I'm thinking, Hey, it's all good man, don't need
Speaker 1: to have your guard up like you boys don't know.
Speaker 1: But you're safe. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. But Bo has.
Speaker 2: Been on a part of my take. Did Danny Woodhead
Speaker 2: w Vanny Woodhead during Great Week?
Speaker 1: He's done the Peachure review with Paul. You've done it all? Huh.
Speaker 4: I've done a couple of those things. Had They came
Speaker 4: in to do Rough and Rowdy in Youngstown and so
Speaker 4: interesting look right? And did the uh did a review?
Speaker 1: Huh? And Rough and Rowdies are an interesting look? Right?
Speaker 3: Oh you think that we're out there in Miami, dude.
Speaker 3: It was a different little a different deal for sure.
Speaker 4: Oh it was awesome. I enjoyed it. The one guy,
Speaker 4: the one guy what was it? What was one guy's name?
Speaker 4: They called him? I think they had him on a
Speaker 4: few other times. They Raccoon boy. They eventually he was
Speaker 4: this kid from Youngstown. I was like, he came out
Speaker 4: of a trash kid. I was like one of the
Speaker 4: first fights I know. I was like, I'm gonna enjoy this.
Speaker 4: This is pretty good. They keep it going too. It's
Speaker 4: not like there's a big in between fight things. They
Speaker 4: just know they kick him out. They just keep going.
Speaker 1: Guys are exhausted just throwing haymakers.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's some of them, like you can tell,
Speaker 4: Like they throw bunches for twenty seconds and they're spent.
Speaker 1: It's all. They're done. It's over. Oh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the kid coming out. There is there's raccoon Yeah, rack,
Speaker 1: there is this raccoon boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I think they got him to come to
Speaker 3: a couple other things. They like they he ended up
Speaker 3: going to a couple. It was a little celebrity. He's
Speaker 3: a rough, routy celebrity. It was not he was an
Speaker 3: awful fighter. Like these guys, he's trying to get out.
Speaker 3: This guy please have them moment.
Speaker 1: Oh that's him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's raccoon boy. How does he get out? I
Speaker 4: showed up at a wedding. He was at a wedding
Speaker 4: I was at. I was like, they were like, hey, coach,
Speaker 4: that's raccoon Bully. I'm like, no way.
Speaker 3: He didn't think this part through. Yeah, comes out wearing
Speaker 3: a leather vest.
Speaker 1: It's not very athletic. Obviously, did he win this fight?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think they it was basically they were both so
Speaker 4: tired after throwing punches for the first fifteenth that.
Speaker 1: Oh hey, glove tap love that got to bounce to him.
Speaker 1: A little boy look at the ponytail. Boy, I had
Speaker 1: to cut this off. I have to leave. I don't
Speaker 1: have to cut it off like you guys can still
Speaker 1: chat or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I have a worker's comp hearing that I got
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Speaker 1: Are you think you're going to get some money? Possibly,
Speaker 1: Let's go with that. The old knee. You gotta get
Speaker 1: the old knee.
Speaker 2: Ray.
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