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Speaker 3: Man, what's hand him? Man? You got Marshawn, Bisma Lynch.

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Speaker 1: Doug Hendrickson, and Gavin Newsome and you're listening to politics

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Speaker 3: You known to be?

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Speaker 1: And cue the music, Come, come, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 4: Doug. How you doing, Brother.

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Speaker 2: Good one one O, one three, Gavin More, Lena Drive.

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Speaker 3: The weather is corny as fuck.

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Speaker 1: Hey, No, we're in the iHeart Studio, Sarah. This is

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Speaker 1: where I used to go when I was mayor. This

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Speaker 2: This was old school studio. I think I did some

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Speaker 3: You ain't do no damn show.

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Speaker 2: I had a little morning call in show, but with

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Speaker 4: Do you believe that?

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe that. Marshaun, I never

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Speaker 3: Man, You know what, leave it leave it up a

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Speaker 1: Seriously, I had my own damn radio show. You don't

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Speaker 1: even remember that. When I remember your radio show, I'm serious, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, Govin, just just a deal so people can understand.

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Speaker 4: It was the Gvin Newsom show.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting more sean just to kind of kind

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Speaker 2: And no, the same thing. They wanted, more common sense.

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Speaker 2: But it's a good reset for not only you, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not just move forward the party, it's also

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Speaker 3: So with infinite takeover office, what what what can we

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Speaker 1: to be his deputy chief of staff, who designed all

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Speaker 1: of the immigration policy under Trump, including that family separation stuff,

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Speaker 1: which people sort of seemingly forgotten. So we're just preparing

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Speaker 1: the state and I hope none of this stuff happens,

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Speaker 1: and if it doesn't happen, great, and we can work

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Speaker 1: together with him on areas that you know, that mutually

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Speaker 1: benefit this country in the world we're trying to build.

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Speaker 1: But if not, we're going to stand firm and have

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Speaker 1: the backs of forty million Americans here in the state

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Speaker 1: of California. And I'm not gonna you know, he's got

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Speaker 1: all the power in the world, but you know, we're

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Speaker 1: not some small, isolated state and we're not going to

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Speaker 1: be naval gazing either. So we're going to be firm,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to be aggressive and pushing back. If

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Speaker 1: you're going to attack vulnerable communities, you're going to talk

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Speaker 1: down to people. If you're going to try to hurt folks,

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Speaker 1: escapegoat folks, we're going to call that out and we're

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Speaker 1: going to do it from a position of strength, not weakness,

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Speaker 1: in a state that matters. So that's my state of mind.

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Speaker 1: But again, it's about an open hand, not a closed fist.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying you want to slash the shit out

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Speaker 3: you want to.

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Speaker 1: I was about to give you the velvet component of

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Speaker 1: this glove, which is the people. But the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, if you care about folks and you demonstrate that,

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Speaker 1: that's what it's about.

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Speaker 4: I don't care if they voted for you or not.

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Speaker 1: Just don't threaten to take away emergency aid because people

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Speaker 1: didn't vote for you or they're not doing your bidding

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Speaker 1: like Trump has. My point is it is about people.

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Speaker 1: And I think you asked the question. I haven't even

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Speaker 1: answered your damn question. What's the next few years look like?

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Speaker 1: It's not just a resistance frame. It is about getting

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Speaker 1: back to basics, and it's about reconciling that disconnect between

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Speaker 1: performance and perception as it relates to the economy, and

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Speaker 1: it's about helping real folks. And so my job is

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Speaker 1: to do my job policy, focus on people, and keep

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Speaker 1: it simple stupid, because what I'm hearing from you guys

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Speaker 1: is these ten point plans. Man, the stuff that I

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Speaker 1: often talk about these thirty forty minutes speeches. They're not

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Speaker 1: breaking through anymore. We're not breaking through and people don't

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Speaker 1: believe it. And they got to see it.

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Speaker 2: And people and by the way, and both sides got

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Speaker 2: to get together and be nice. I mean the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, the whole thing about this country being divided,

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Speaker 2: it was. And like I said, you know what, Republican

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Speaker 2: get along with DEM's damns, Republicans. We're all we're all equal,

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Speaker 2: we're all the same. So it's like everyone's got to

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Speaker 2: get together, get along and grow. But all this bullshit

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Speaker 2: and fucking hostility stuff's got to go. People are scared

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Speaker 2: to talk politics. Hopefully this now at least resets things. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, once it resets, Gavin,

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Speaker 2: then you govern the shit out of California and then

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Speaker 2: where it goes from here for you, we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 1: And what the hell are you doing, Marshawn? There is

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Speaker 1: an open seat for mayor of Oakland, California.

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Speaker 2: Town.

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Speaker 4: Brother, Hey, what are you thinking?

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Speaker 3: Do We got the squad ready?

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Speaker 4: By the way, you.

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Speaker 1: Better get your cleats on, man, because there's one hundred

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Speaker 1: damn twenty days after the after this election has called

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Speaker 1: her when she resigns her I don't know there's some

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Speaker 1: nuance with with recall what I but I got one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty days.

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Speaker 3: After been keeping me updated and told me that he

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Speaker 3: got a he got a strong team that he putting

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Speaker 3: together from me calling in the big guns to get

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Speaker 3: everything situated. So should when that time come, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be ready, my boy.

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Speaker 2: The beauty of this is this. But Trump won on

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Speaker 2: a simple message. Okay, when more Shawn comes in.

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Speaker 4: There's Oakland great again.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, he's gonna he's gonna come in there really.

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Speaker 4: Make Oakland grand? Is that the best he can do?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I got a better one than that. What's that what

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Speaker 2: he's gonna do? By the way, he's gonna put on

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Speaker 2: the six minutes interview and they're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: the metaphor and Marshawn's going to say, what do you

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Speaker 2: have to do to win the state? When the city

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Speaker 2: of Oakland's going to say, I'm gonna run through a

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Speaker 2: motherfucker's face over and over and over and over and

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Speaker 2: over and over and over and over again. I want

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Speaker 2: to run through motherfucking face.

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Speaker 3: And Doug and now you speak in my language, my boy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, let's simplify this thing. We got

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Speaker 2: jobs in Oakland, we got crime defects, we got you,

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Speaker 2: we got you sports, we got keeping the streets safe.

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Speaker 2: Let's simplify this more, Shawn with the direct message to people, Okay,

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Speaker 2: in the streets, let's get a let's get a tougher

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Speaker 2: da in therecus on encampments and we'll knock this thing out.

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Speaker 1: Car thefts, burglaries, quality of life. I want to see

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Speaker 1: a green and clean I want parks, playgrounds, kids.

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Speaker 3: Outside, ride nets, on the hoops, just to st thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean that go a long way.

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Speaker 1: So is that the platform? What do you got? What's

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Speaker 1: your what have you worked out? This is real now, Marshawn,

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Speaker 1: this is real. Destiny is calling man.

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Speaker 3: I told I told you I put my people man

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Speaker 3: Like when I go home and I see all of

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Speaker 3: this shit, like between the violence, the homelessness. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: like you said, I remember, it was a time used

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Speaker 3: to see kids. You feel me, those flood in the parks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean waiting for on the side I got next,

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Speaker 3: I got next, waiting waiting to get on the whole court. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean kickball games, the whole nine like that sense

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Speaker 3: of community like that we most definitely are missing, Like

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Speaker 3: I would love to see that back in my you

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Speaker 3: feel me in my city like that. Shit goes a

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Speaker 3: long way. But the thing is that's I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: what that's what made me, That's what raised me. Like

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Speaker 3: you feel me though, real ojs who really looked out

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Speaker 3: for the youth though, you know what I mean, instead

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Speaker 3: of going and you know what I mean, putting some work

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Speaker 3: in their hands, like telling them like, nah, fuck that

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Speaker 3: that shit ain't right to do. Take your ass to school,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Go get this education. I mean,

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Speaker 3: go make something yourself. I don't really see ojes pushing

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Speaker 3: that type of shit because the ol g's that was

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Speaker 3: either you know, I mean dead or in jail. So

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know that that real sense of community right,

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Speaker 3: love that.

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Speaker 2: No, and also too, Galvin, if Marshawn, if Marshawn decides

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Speaker 2: even not to run, he can make a massive impact

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Speaker 2: on this city right now where it's going.

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Speaker 1: All right, No Mian associally, I mean, but but what

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Speaker 1: he just said is so important. I mean it goes

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Speaker 1: back to the what you know, what how do we

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Speaker 1: turn the page? What's the future look like back to

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Speaker 1: this sense of community I said all the time, and

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Speaker 1: you were saying, you know, what we have in common

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Speaker 1: is much stronger than our difference. Is what you were

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Speaker 1: saying earlier about Democrats Republicans. I mean, we all want

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Speaker 1: to be protected, which goes back to public safety. All't

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Speaker 1: be respected, No one wants to be talked down to

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Speaker 1: or pass to, and we all want to be connected

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Speaker 1: to something bigger than ourselves. And I think that is

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Speaker 1: a sense of community, and I think that was a

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Speaker 1: big part of what happened Team Trump and the MAGA

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Speaker 1: movement is about community, and I think there's something powerful

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Speaker 1: in that frame. But there's something powerful I think in

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Speaker 1: terms of communicating that to your point wherever. Meaning doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be through the lens of being in a

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Speaker 1: position of formal authority as mayor. You can communicate that

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Speaker 1: as community leaders or leaders that express their moral authority

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Speaker 1: like Marshawn is right now. I think one of the

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Speaker 1: things I'm looking forward to most with this podcast is

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Speaker 1: hearing from listeners, seeing what's on their mind, what they

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Speaker 1: have to say. So we got a new email address.

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Speaker 1: Folks can just tune in and check in and also

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Speaker 1: tune us up on subjects and issues, questions that we

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Speaker 1: can get right back to them on.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, and we want all that feedback, good, bad,

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Speaker 2: and different questions, whatever it may be. And Gavin, by

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Speaker 2: the way, that email is politicking p O L I

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Speaker 2: Every week on our shows. And we appreciate you guys

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Speaker 2: tuning in as always, we love you.

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Speaker 4: Have a good day, Okay,