WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Atlanta Ripper 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.400 Thinking Sideways is not supported by carnivorous butterflies. Instead, it's 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.240 supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.320 Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:20.959 and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't understand you never know 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:31.400 stories of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.760 Hello there, welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.720 I'm Joe, joined as always by my co hosts Devin 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:45.440 and Steve. So you guys ready to talk about a mystery? Yeah? Sweet? Yeah, yes, 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.440 we haven't done in a while. Yeah you like this 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.199 one's got lots of it. It's been literally days, has 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.960 been hasn't been a week now? Yeah? Okay, Well, so 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.480 this week we haven't done a nice bloody one for 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.240 a while, so you're gonna make us do a bloody one. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.880 We're going to talk about the Atlanta Ripper, uh serial 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.120 killer in the early twentieth century that probably most of 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.840 you have not heard about. I hadn't beforehand. I didn't 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.200 hear about this until pretty recently. Actually, how did you 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.760 hear about it? I don't remember. Look a like mysteries 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.440 that will make you like poop your pants, probably something 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.600 like that. I was doing some random googling, just looking 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.800 for fund new mysteries, and I don't I don't remember 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.399 to tell you the truth exactly where I stumbled across 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:30.520 this one somewhere, but yeah, that was kind of interesting. Yeah, 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.319 so the Atlanta Ripper, um, the Atlanta Ripper murdered a 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.720 bunch of people, actually young women, uh in the year's 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.679 nineteen ten. Some say through nineteen twelve. Others say through 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.959 late nineteen eleven. He killed more people than Jack the Ripper, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.600 but Jack gets all the glory. Everybody knows who Jack 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.240 the Ripper is. We did an episode on Jack the Ripper. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:53.840 We actually did. Yeah, it eventually got big enough to 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.120 make the national news. The New York Times May twelfth, 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.639 nineteen twelve said, quote Jack the Ripper and quote claimed 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.480 his twentieth woman victim Atlanta sometime last night. The Blacks, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.120 who are in a state of terror and try to 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:07.880 keep their women off the street at night, have offered 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.120 a large reward for the arrest of the murderer. I 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.720 didn't mention this. The Ripper only killed black women, so 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.880 they called him Jack the Ripper, even in Atlanta, and 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.320 they did. They did go and Jack the ripper. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:24.200 and eventually got one that all this national attention started happening. Um, eventually, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.520 you know a lot of the city's leading leading commerce 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.359 leaders and politicians and everything started pressuring the mayor, who 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.120 started pressuring the police to actually get serious about this 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.520 because apparently the Atlanta police, I mean, it's not like 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.400 they didn't investigate, but you know, I kind of doubt 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.280 they were working as hard as if it had been 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.480 white women who have been getting killed. Probably gonna say, 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:48.480 this is nineteen eleven. Yeah, it's a very racially segregated 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.880 area and not even just nared just a time in 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:58.480 this country, and so their priorities were very reflective of that. Well, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.520 not to like spark up political debate, I'm just gonna 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:06.960 like one off say, even now in America, oftentimes crimes 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:12.600 against minorities are not as investigated as crimes against white people. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.880 There is a different effort level. It does appear, sometimes 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:21.080 not always, but the fact that that still remains as 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.880 testament to how how incredible it must have been, you know, 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.239 in the early ninets. I and I that also makes 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.320 me want to point something out to our listeners, because 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.680 I know that there are some quotes as we're going 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.560 to go through this, and some of that stuff is 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.520 very reflective at the times. So please, if we're we'll 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.480 tell you when we're quoting something, but just be aware 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:50.360 of that we're different us. Don't worry. Yeah, alright, here's 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.000 what's known about the Ripper, at least if you go 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.080 out and look up the Ripper on the web. He 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.480 killed his victims every Saturday night like clockwork, and there 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.160 he bashed him over the head, and then he would 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.640 drag them into the book and cut their throats and 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.080 then he would from yeah, from ear to ear, and 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:08.200 then he would eviscerate and cut cutting out their lady parts. Like. Yeah, 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.000 it was hard, right, because all of the articles from 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:15.600 the time are very polite. Yeah, none of them ever 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.960 say anything explicitly, So they say, you know, cutting out parts, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.240 and you're like, what does I don't know what that means. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.440 I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, well, actually I think I know 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.560 what I'm supposed to infer from that, but I don't know. Yeah, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.040 but you know, actually, it turns out the Atlanta Ripper 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.119 didn't slice up on his victim and take organs out. Yeah, 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.039 he just bashed them over the head with a rock 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.200 or a brick and then would slit their throats. In 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.839 one case, this is the last really confirmed victim, he 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.440 did actually remove the victim's heart. Yeah, yeah, but it 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.280 was the last case, right, probably the last case, so 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:54.560 likely the highest escalation that we will have seen. Probably. Yeah, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.320 And we don't actually know how many women he killed. 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:01.160 And besides that, one other thing that's not true is 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.880 that killings actually did not happen on Saturdays most of 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.320 the time. And actually it's it's really hard to say 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.400 exactly when some of them did happen because in some 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.839 cases the body was not actually found for a few days, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.520 and back in those days of the state of medical 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.640 science was not such as it is today, you know, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.320 they really and even today it's kind of vague sometimes. Yeah, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.560 if a body has been sitting out for several days, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.280 it makes it a little more difficult to pin down 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.800 an exact time of death, especially especially in a hot 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:36.040 place like Atlanta pace. Yeah. Yeah, uh so we don't 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.240 really know that all of them were killed on Saturdays. Again, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:42.840 we don't know how many women that the ripper murdered. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.039 What's the what's the there's a number here. I know 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.200 that there's there's a range that are believed to be 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.320 committed by the Atlanta Ripper. Yeah, if you talk to 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.960 if you read the papers, there's something between nineteen and 0:05:55.000 --> 0:06:00.000 twenty one. Okay, because I remember being like hugely high 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:05.080 and I was, how how have we not heard this? Yeah? Yeah, 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.479 it's a lot more than Jack the Ripper. You know, 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.479 of course Jack the Ripper was killing white people, so 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.600 maybe that's why you know, it's still a well known thing. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.880 And also there actually is more documentation about Jack the 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.600 Ripper than there is about this guy. That didn't really 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.680 surprise me that much. Yes, yeah, so I guess our 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.240 mystery here as well, Who was the Ripper? How many 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.800 people did he really kill? And he actually even exist? 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.640 Because at the time the killings were happening, this is 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.080 between late nineteen ten and mid nineteen twelve, a lot 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.839 of people in Atlanta didn't think there actually was a 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.640 serial killer and all this head bashing and throat slashing 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.880 was just random murders happening. Well, and there was a 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.919 there was a number of cases that were attributed as 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:50.000 being Ripper cases that it was really There was a 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.360 lot of assumptions made to say that the m O 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.160 was the same. Yeah, I think that I think that 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.520 usually connected, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, the press, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.039 I think the Atlanta press, I think started going back 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.320 and adding sort of adding people in to really juice 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.240 up the story. And a lot of a lot of 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:12.080 these nineteen one victims were victims of gunshot wounds, uh 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.240 and stuff like that, and so there was stabbings. There 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:20.080 was stabbings, but not throat slidding and all that. So 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.880 it doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't him. I mean, maybe 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.440 you'd like to mix up his m O a little bit. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.680 I don't know. But at the same time, a big 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.040 city like Atlanta, murders are going to happen anyway, even 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:30.760 you don't even if you don't have a ripper on 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.640 the loose. So anyway, I talked to a guy named 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:39.200 Vance McLoughlin, retired professor of Criminal Justice, and he he 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.200 wrote a paper on the ripper with Robert being the 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.400 third And you guys have seen that paper, right, yeah, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.040 I guess, like, yeah, no, that was that study was 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.440 actually really really well done. It was, yeah, it was. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.240 He's he's pretty thorough guy. But anyway, he and being 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:57.640 looked at the nineteen victims and because they're one when 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.440 we're referring to one the most. Most of the papers 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.320 even think that the murders ended in mid nineteen twelve, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.280 but there are some people who claim that there was 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.760 another murder in nineteen thirteen and another one in nineteen fourteen, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.320 So that's where generally believe those were just on. Yeah, 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.320 so we're gonna start at the number nineteen. They went 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.280 to all the information they went to like newspaper archives, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.880 looked at death certificates and all that, and they managed 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.360 to remove all the eight from the list, although there's 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.160 one of them. I'm questioning a little bit. I was. 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.880 I was thinking I might add it back in, but 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.600 I'm not really sure. It's got on defense about that 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.559 it might be a copycat killing. In fact, there's probably 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.760 a good good I was gonna say this, this case, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.400 because of the publicity, lended itself to have a lot 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.800 of copycasts. But not at first. Well, I'm talking about 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:46.960 it in the in the in the height of it, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.640 you know, from from midway on it was would have 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.760 been such an easy situation for somebody to just do 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.800 what they thought it was going to be, and it 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.080 just gets lumped in. Yeah, but yeah, we've got And 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:01.439 there was one person I'm going to talk about a 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.560 little later on who actually had the clever idea to 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.840 go murder arrival. She she she kind of got busted 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.640 and didn't succeed in her crime. But I'll tell you 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:14.600 about that. Yeah. Uh. Also getting back to Professor Mittal 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:19.240 Offlin again. Um, he writes and researches about his story 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.880 and obscure serial killers, and he's done a lot of 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.640 research in the Atlanta Ripper, I think more than anybody really. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:26.800 I managed to track him down and I gave him 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.520 a call, and mostly because I wanted to confirm myke 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.360 my claim that the Ripper didn't mutilate his victims and 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.960 the Saturday night thing too, and he and he did 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.440 confirm that, Yeah, there was no mutilation and it wasn't 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.160 like clockwork or anything like that. That sometimes there would 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.480 be months in between killings, and there was a period 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.840 in mid nineteen eleven where there was for about four 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.280 murders came along about once a week. That's and that's 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.600 where it's every Saturday Night I think came because it 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.560 was about a week apart. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, the Professor 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.680 was a was a real nice guy. And we had 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.760 a nice talk because we don't we both like to 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:09.680 talk about murdering Mayhem. Yeah, he was friends and influencing people. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.640 I know, I know, I know. I he was like 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.959 telling me about this this crime that some crimer or other. 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.760 I can't remember even not what the crime was. It's 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.120 not the Atlanta Ripper. And and then that reminded me 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.280 of Jeremy Bamber. So I was like, I was like, hey, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.520 have you ever heard of Jeremy bamber case. He said, no, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.000 tell me about it, you know. So I told him 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.120 about that. I think he's probably gonna check it out, 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.240 that that's the juicy case. Yeah. Yeah, And we would 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.440 just going that baton mysteries back and forth like that. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.720 But I also wanted to mention the professor's written two books. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.360 I told him he didn't ask you too, but I 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.120 told him I would give him a plug for his book. So, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.800 oh yeah for the healthy gave Yeah, yeah yeah, and 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.640 uh so as two books are about serial killers. One 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.520 is called The Postcard Killer. He's about about a pedophile 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.480 and serial killer named j. Frank Hickey Um and he 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.079 was finally arrested in nineteen twelve died in prison in 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.199 ninety two and why he didn't get strung up. It's 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.400 kind of a mystery to me because the guy's crimes. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.000 I don't know if you've read about this guy. Yeah, yeah, yea. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.559 The criming got caught for is uh he lured a 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.560 seven year old boy with promises of going to a 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.400 candy store, took him to an outhoud. Is gonna be heinous, Oh, 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.360 it's heinous. It's gonna gets more heinous. Well, he so 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.000 he rapes a little boy, strangles him, stuff them down 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.959 in the outhouse, and then eighteen days later, the chief 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.079 of police in this town gets a postcard basically saying 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.480 where you can find the body, and he sends he 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.400 sends two cops around to check the outhouse. Oh, I 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.040 forgot to mention. After he murdered the little boy, he 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:40.720 went into the saloon and started drinking. That's palsy um. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.520 So anyway, the cops did not see the body down there. 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.000 Apparently some other people who come along go figure eighteen 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.280 days later and the body was covered with something. Yeah, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.040 body didn't get fine found until like a year later. Well, 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.080 so many time the boys, the little boys still missing. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.080 His parents are of course, are quite anguished about it. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.280 He started sending postcards to to the parents, taunting them. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.000 It's a common sentiment with psychopaths. Yeah, well, actually there's 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.040 I can't think of a single case where somebody has 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.640 sent postcards to the family of their victims. There a 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.360 number of things that I've read about where people have 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:19.439 been sending stuff to the families. It's a terrible, terrible thing. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.680 I don't understand why he didn't get the death penal 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.240 team that. Anyway. That book is The Postcard Killer, and 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.040 the other book that he's written is called The Mail 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.160 Order Serial Killer, and then about it's about a guy 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.640 named Harry Powers who it is thought to have killed 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:33.240 as many as fifty people. And he did get strung up. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.080 He was let's see when it was. I think it 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:40.080 was caught in nineteen late nineteen one and put on trial, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.720 and he was strung up about six seven months later 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.760 in early nine two. A fair and speedy trial. Yeah, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.679 they didn't waste a lot of time back in those days. 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.720 Uh So, Anyways, enough of that. I haven't read the 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.600 books yet. They get good reviews on Amazon, except for 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.520 one guy is one guy who ordered The Postcard Killer. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.640 And there's another book out there called The post Killers 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.439 by James Patterson. You know that guy who writes a 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.800 lot of crime novels. Yeah, I guess, I guess he 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.200 was wanting to get that book he actually done ordered 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.240 The Postcard Killer. He ordered this one instead, and he 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.680 posted a one star review because he was so he 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.600 was because he got the wrong book because he ordered 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:22.600 because it's like, yeah, this is a bone head. Yeah. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.840 The other reviews are five star reviews. Okay, yeah, yeah, anyway, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:30.960 I back back to our our Atlantic killings. H. McLoughlin 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.720 and being took two of the victims off the list 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:39.719 because they died of gunshot wounds. Yeah not really. One was. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.800 Their throat was slashed, but she was thrown into the 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.280 river afterwards, and so that one I didn't match. It 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.640 doesn't quite match. CMO was to bash him in the head, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.240 cut their drag him somewhere secluded, and then cut their throats. 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.800 Yeah yeah, another victim and added her skull crush, but 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.240 her throat was not slit. Another one was stabbed in 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.800 the throat and um for those were eliminated because someone 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.640 other than the ripper had been convicted for killing them. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.080 Two more were eliminated because they were probable suspects, and 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:11.319 but one of them is the one that I was 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.719 thinking maybe possibly should be on the list. But that 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.240 could also be the copycat killing that I was talking about. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.520 So anyway, they neared a way down to a still 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.320 still a pretty decent amount of people. It's still quite 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.040 a number of people for one person say it's more 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:27.600 than I plan on killing. I was just saying I 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:31.920 haven't gotten a killing yet, not me neither. Yeah, despite 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.800 all of your hard work, you know how hard it 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.200 is to kill people from my office chair. It's really difficult. 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.640 I don't lift a finger and they don't die, and 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:46.840 it's really sith. Yeah, this is there's no working out. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.120 Yeah yeah, but the problem is is with with committing 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.880 murders unless you go out and the totally randomly kill somebody, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.880 if you kill somebody because you're highly motivated to murder them, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.880 and that's kind of points a finger back at you. Yeah, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.080 so probably never gonna kill anybody. So I don't like blood. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.880 So I also mentioned, didn't mention this one person saw 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.400 the ripper and lived to tell the tale. Yeah that 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.040 was Emma Lou Sharp. She described him as a tall 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.440 black man with broad shoulders, wearing a black suit and 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:18.760 a wide brimmed hat. Uh. There was one other account 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.080 that I read said another woman named Mary Adell had 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.560 met the ripper. She left her employer's lists and went 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:25.400 out in the alley and she saw a tall black man. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.800 I think this was right after the reports in the 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.240 newspapers from Emily Lou Sharp seeing a tall black man. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.200 She goes out of the alley, sees a tall black 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.760 man and runs back inside and tells her employer. He 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.720 goes out and confronts the guy. The guy just left, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.560 but he had a gun. The the employer went out 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.920 with a gun. Well, yeah, and just because he was 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.840 tall and black doesn't really make him the ripper. When 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.320 you see somebody run into the where I think he 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.000 was in an alleyway, right, Yeah, run into the alleyway 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.200 brandishing a firearm. I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna leave it 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.720 as well. Yeah. So you know, Emma Lose the only 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.080 one who saw him and lived to tell. But because 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.800 she got attacked, she did get attacked. Yeah, she got 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.760 stabbed in the stabbed in the back. Yeah. Yeah. So 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.000 I'll talk about that in a minute here, just in 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.960 in chronological order. We'll talk about the murders. First one 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.120 was October three, nineteen ten. That was Maggie Brooks, Stage 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.520 twenty three, walking home from work one night and somebody 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.800 bashed her on the head and and slit her throughout. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.120 And then months later rose a Trice her body was 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.080 found really close to her house, like about seventy five 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.880 yards away. This is but three or two months later, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:45.480 So yeah, January nineteen eleven, two months Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.360 I'll tell you. Let's see, and I say, bore more 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.400 like three and a half months, but you know whatever. 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.720 Her husband was arrested for this. He was released for 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.560 lack of evidence. Um and that it does fit the 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.960 m O pretty well. Next up, Made seven, nineteen eleven, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.359 Mary Walker, age unknown. Her body was actually found in 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.160 the rear of her home. She had left her job 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.439 as a cook the previous night, and I'm guessing that 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.080 the ripper followed her home. And people say, I'm not 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.240 sure what these accounts mean, that she was actually in 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.880 her home or in the yard behind her home. I'm 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.280 not totally sure. Every time I read it, I got 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:21.520 the impression that she was outside. Yeah, it never I 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.119 never got the idea that the ripper was killing people 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.760 inside of their home. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.399 I don't think. I don't think. I don't think so. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.960 I think it's a heck of a lot more work 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.840 than he was up for. Yeah, I think so. Uh So. Anyway, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.679 still at this time, there's still months going by, but 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.520 now it's sped up a little bit. Next one was 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.720 June nineteen eleven, so you know a little over two 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.679 weeks later. That was Addie Watts and she'd been hit 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.200 with a brick instead of a rock and then dragged 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.800 into the bushes and her throat was cut. Next up, June, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:57.160 only nine days later, Lizzie Watkins SMMO she was hit 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.240 with a rock row cut. And then came Lena Sharp. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.479 That's Emma Lou Sharp's mother mother. Yeah. There are two 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.240 versions of this. The version, the version you hear the 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.359 most is that Lena had gone to the store and 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.600 when she hadn't come back in about an hour, Emma 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.359 Lou got worried and went looking for and went to 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.560 the store and she hadn't been to the store. So 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.800 she's walking back home. We're frantically worried about her mother. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.720 And this runs into this black guy, tall, black guy, 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.600 broad shoulders and all that stuff, and and he said 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.520 to her, how are you feeling tonight? And she said 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.280 she was feeling fine, and she tried to walk past him, 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.760 and he says, don't be afraid. I never hurt girls 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.440 like you, and then stabbed her in the back and 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:44.440 laugh was a great joke. Yeah, I don't think that's 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:49.399 a joke at all. Yeah, it's sick. Yeah. Yeah. And 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.200 and of course the body of her mother was found 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.720 not too much longer after that. The second the second version, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.680 I forgot to mention, by the way, that first story 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.040 was from the Atlantic Constitution, and there were several papers 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.440 in Atlanta at the time. Yeah. Yeah, the ex version 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.159 is from the Atlanta Journal. And this version of it, 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.719 Lena and Emily were out walking and then he together, yeah, together, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.120 and he jumped out of the bushes. He hits Lena 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.919 on the head with a brick, and then she's she's 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.800 knocked unconscious. So he starts slashing at Emma lou who 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:23.040 screams and runs but faints from blood loss because apparently 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.680 he did connect a few times and then and then 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.840 she ran off. The ripper cuts Lena's throat and then 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.919 follows Emma lou She wakes up and finds him standing 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.800 over her with a knife. But then the sounds of 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.399 people running, footsteps and everything. People came running, and so 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.240 he took off into the darkness. So one of two stories, 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.520 you know, I'm inclined to believe the first one. The 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.280 second one sounds like it's from a John Gresham novel. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.480 You know, it's just just it's just perfect. Oh that 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.800 the high tension of it all, Like it just sounds 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.199 like he is a reporter running off his little deal. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.600 I don't know, you don't think that him say don't worry, 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.400 I never hurt girls like you, and then stabbing her 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.680 in the back and laughing. That's not out of a 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.200 John Grisham novel. Like that's not so you think that's 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:14.040 more believable. I do, really dicer Manson saying that as 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.199 he walked by you on the street. I mean, I 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.960 just think this the second one sounds more like his 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.520 m O. You know that he like passed her over 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.480 the head and then was standing over her, and she 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:28.520 happened to come to, but he never attacked a pair 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.840 of all of the cases that of the that we 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:35.520 there are, this this central core eight murders that are 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.720 believed that he attributing they're always alone, so this is 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.480 a real jump. She was alone too, You mean it's 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.639 just single a night by themselves, one at a time, 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.560 alone walking down the street. I don't know she was 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.840 alone walking down the street. No, No, it was her 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.880 and her mother walking together in the second version version, Yeah, 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.480 which is the one you're saying that you find more plausible. 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:05.760 But I don't know. I just I think the m 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.800 O of that second one sounds more plausible. Well but 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.119 but okay, so, but so why not keep in mind 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.919 why not both keep in mind that Emma lou is 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.600 the mother, correct, was the daughter? Okay, so it's Lena. 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.320