WEBVTT - Title 42, Pt 4: The Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 1>The history of the border and its enforcement begins in

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen ninety two with the colonization of what would become

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Americas. It goes through the eighteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>two Mexican American War and a curl of indigenous people's

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<v Speaker 1>lands without their knowledge or consent in the eighteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>three Gasden Purchase, and of course, through the eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two Chinese Exclusion Act and numerous other explicit attempts to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent non white people from moving to the USA. From there,

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<v Speaker 1>it weaves its way through the Mexican Revolution and the

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<v Speaker 1>First World Wars German proposal to ally with Mexico to

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim those territories it had lost in the decades before then.

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<v Speaker 1>The Border patrol story itself begins in May nineteen twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the ninety nine years since it has encompassed

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<v Speaker 1>everything from David Duke to nine to eleven in its

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<v Speaker 1>journey to becoming the biggest and least accountable law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>agency in the federal government. People from the colonial periphery

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<v Speaker 1>have always migrated to the metropol. It's why a man

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<v Speaker 1>called fat Led singing a song about Vindulu is basically

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<v Speaker 1>in my country's secon national anthem, and why every four

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<v Speaker 1>years France accepts black french Men onto its football team

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<v Speaker 1>before it returns to vilifying them in other forms of discourse.

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<v Speaker 1>Migration to the United States is no different. Climate change

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<v Speaker 1>in US imperiodism have destabilized in impoverished nations from the

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<v Speaker 1>Americas to Afghanistan and driven people to the US border

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a better life. What's distinct about the US

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<v Speaker 1>is how obsessed it has become with keeping these people

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<v Speaker 1>out and enforcing the longest land borders in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But the US border is much bigger than the land

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<v Speaker 1>boundary between the USA and Mexico to the south and

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<v Speaker 1>Canada to the north. If you're listening to this in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, the chances are that you live in

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<v Speaker 1>the Border Enforcement Zone. This swath of territory outside the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution has been established since the Immigration and Nationality Act

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty two. Established at a reasonable distance of

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<v Speaker 1>the border would extend one hundred air miles around the

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<v Speaker 1>outline of the country. Two thirds of the US's population

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<v Speaker 1>live within this zone. Washington, d C. San Francisco, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans, and Boston are all within it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>means that cbpagents can search vehicles and vessels to look

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<v Speaker 1>for property that's in the country without the right documents.

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<v Speaker 1>They can board public transportation or set up interior checkpoints

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<v Speaker 1>and stop, interrogate, and search citizens and non citizens without

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<v Speaker 1>the need for a warrant. Within twenty five miles of

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<v Speaker 1>the border, they can enter your property provide it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a domicile. The Fourth Amendment, part of a foundational bill

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<v Speaker 1>of rights at US likes to tout as what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it different from the rest of the world, doesn't apply

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<v Speaker 1>when you're near the border, and all encompassing history of

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<v Speaker 1>the border and its enforcement is beyond the scope of

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. Even a history of the Southwest border could

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<v Speaker 1>take up a whole bookshelf, but we will try and

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<v Speaker 1>skim the high points here. Let's start with a Gadsden purchase,

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<v Speaker 1>when a party of military surveyors first bumped into horn

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<v Speaker 1>Art and elders as they attempted to draw a line

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<v Speaker 1>dividing to horn Autumn people from to horn Autum people.

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<v Speaker 1>The southern border is no more obvious today than it

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<v Speaker 1>was then, and of course to the Autumn it was

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<v Speaker 1>and remains, and aberrations that divides them from much of

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<v Speaker 1>their ancestral and current homelands. It has over the years

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<v Speaker 1>seen violent enforcement on members of the nation and a

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<v Speaker 1>growing encroachment of the border patrol into today's the Horn

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn Reservation, which is the second largest in the USA,

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<v Speaker 1>it only represents a fraction of the tribe's historical homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>These surveyors were in the process of finalizing most of

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<v Speaker 1>the California and Arizona border, a border I drove most

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<v Speaker 1>of in the days after Title forty two. The southern

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<v Speaker 1>border as it looks now, was largely shaped by the

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<v Speaker 1>Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which Mexico lost fifty five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of its territory, including all of what is today California, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico, Utah, and Nevada, and parts of what is

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<v Speaker 1>today Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma. The Gaston purchase of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty three added more of southern Arizona. In New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>the specific border in Santa Cedro withdrawn that San Diego

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<v Speaker 1>Bay would fall to the north of the line. The

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<v Speaker 1>border in Cucumber seems more arbitrary, a straight line in

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<v Speaker 1>the desert that runs into a pile of rocks. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>long before the border divided San Asiedra fifty one, this

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<v Speaker 1>was kumia Land, and despite the border, it still is.

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<v Speaker 1>The name Tijuana derives from Tijuan, which means by the

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<v Speaker 1>sea in Kumiai. Despite this, the Kumii and many other

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples were ignored when the border crossed them, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's becoming harder and harder for them to cross it.

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<v Speaker 1>In parts of desert, it can be pretty hard to

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<v Speaker 1>see the border at all. In twenty twenty, while out

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<v Speaker 1>with a group of Kumii people who were in ceremony

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<v Speaker 1>to honor their ancestors whose burial sites have been and

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be desecrated by border war construction, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to be worried of stepping over it to better frame

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<v Speaker 1>my shots. The emerging declaration Donald Trump made allowed war

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<v Speaker 1>construction to sidestep legislation in place to protect archaeological and

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<v Speaker 1>sacred sites, but it didn't allow me to sidestep into

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico to get a better shot. Luckily, Bortak, a team

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<v Speaker 1>of armed Border patrol agents who you might remember from

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<v Speaker 1>Portland in twenty twenty, provided a guy addressed like he

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Battle of Falluja. To help me, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say the border is a line in the sand,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the time there wasn't a line that was

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<v Speaker 1>visible at all. Sally the Moon, a few miles east

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<v Speaker 1>to where that Bortac patrol guard shouted at people stepping

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<v Speaker 1>too close in twenty twenty. The border wall is about

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<v Speaker 1>waist high, rusty, and essentially comprised of a single strand

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<v Speaker 1>of barbed wire. In Cucumber, the thirty foot trump wall

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<v Speaker 1>pushes right up to a boulder pile and then stops

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<v Speaker 1>the logic as much as there can be any logic,

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<v Speaker 1>and spending twenty five million dollars a mile to desecrate

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<v Speaker 1>sacred spaces and defile the landscape is that people will

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<v Speaker 1>be deterred from crossing by the harsh landscape brutally hot

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<v Speaker 1>days and brutally cold nights. This logic, of course, fails

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<v Speaker 1>to consider not just where people are going, why they're leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>the places they've come from, risking one's life crossing the

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<v Speaker 1>border makes sense only when one considers the danger that

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<v Speaker 1>many people and places around the world face every day.

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't always been this way. Fear reference here in

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan and Bush talking about migration in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm going to ask you what you would do

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<v Speaker 2>about Cuba. But now I'm going to hold you.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're going to have some questions from the audience.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, my name is.

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<v Speaker 3>David Grosbrug, and I'd like to know do you think

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<v Speaker 3>the children of illegal aliens should be allowed to attend

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<v Speaker 3>Texas public schools free?

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<v Speaker 5>Or do you think that their parents should pay for

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<v Speaker 5>their education?

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<v Speaker 6>Who are you addressing that to?

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<v Speaker 3>I think first, who was looking right at you?

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<v Speaker 5>I said he was love.

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<v Speaker 7>I'd like to see something done about the illegal alien

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<v Speaker 7>problem that would be so sensitive and so understanding about

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<v Speaker 7>labor needs and human needs that.

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<v Speaker 8>That problem wouldn't come up.

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<v Speaker 7>But today, if those people are here, I would reluctantly

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<v Speaker 7>say I think they would get whatever it is that

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<v Speaker 7>they're you know, what the society is giving to their neighbors.

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<v Speaker 7>But it has the problem has to be solved. The

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<v Speaker 7>problem has to be solved because as we have kind

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<v Speaker 7>of made illegal some kinds of labor that I'd like

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<v Speaker 7>to see legal, we're doing two things. We're creating a

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<v Speaker 7>whole society of really honorable, decent, family loving people that

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<v Speaker 7>are in violent of the law. And secondly, we're exacerbating

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<v Speaker 7>relations with Mexico. The answer to your question is much

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<v Speaker 7>more fundamental than whether they attend Houston schools. It seems

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<v Speaker 7>to me, I don't want to see a whole if

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<v Speaker 7>they're living here, I don't want to see a whole

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<v Speaker 7>I think is six and eight year old kids being

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<v Speaker 7>made one totally uneducated and made to feel that they're

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<v Speaker 7>living with outside the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's address ourselves to the fundamentals.

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<v Speaker 9>These are good.

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<v Speaker 3>People, strong people. Part of my family is in Mexican.

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<v Speaker 3>And I added that I think the time has come

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<v Speaker 3>that the United States and our neighbors, particularly our neighbor

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<v Speaker 3>to the south, should have a better understanding and a

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<v Speaker 3>better relationship than we've ever had. And I think but

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<v Speaker 3>we haven't been sensitive enough to our size and our power.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a problem of forty to fifty percent unemployment.

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<v Speaker 3>Now this cannot continue without the possibility arising with regard

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<v Speaker 3>to that other country that we talked about off Cuba

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<v Speaker 3>and what it is stirring up of the possibility of

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<v Speaker 3>trouble below the border, and we could have a very

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<v Speaker 3>hostile and strange neighbor on our border, rather than making

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<v Speaker 3>them or talking about putting up a fence. Why don't

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<v Speaker 3>we work out some recognition of our mutual problems make

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<v Speaker 3>it possible for them to come here legally with a

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<v Speaker 3>work permit, and then while they're working and earning here,

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<v Speaker 3>they pay taxes here. And when they go on to

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<v Speaker 3>go back, they can go back, and they can cross

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<v Speaker 3>and open the border both ways. By understanding their problem.

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<v Speaker 1>The mutineer of border enforcement began. As far as we

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<v Speaker 1>can pinpoint a single date with Silvestre Reyes, that then

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<v Speaker 1>sector chief of the Border Patrol in McAllen, Texas, and

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<v Speaker 1>his operation hold the line the community around McAllen, who

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<v Speaker 1>got tired of border patrol snooping around businesses and even

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<v Speaker 1>schools in a Rio Grand valley. Instead, Rayes deployed his

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<v Speaker 1>agents forward in a sort of human fence along the

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<v Speaker 1>Rio ground. Rays would later become the chief of the

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<v Speaker 1>Opaso sector and a Democratic Congressman. He lost his seat

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<v Speaker 1>to be to Aro in twenty thirteen, but this strategy

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<v Speaker 1>would long outlive his career with border patrol. The following year,

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<v Speaker 1>on September seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, US Attorney General Janet

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<v Speaker 1>Reno announced the start of Operation Gatekeeper, the first phase

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<v Speaker 1>of the operation focus on the first five miles of

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<v Speaker 1>the western border, including the place where I recorded all

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<v Speaker 1>those interviews you heard earlier this week. According to a

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<v Speaker 1>piece written a quarter of a century later in the

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<v Speaker 1>La Times, the strategy was to deter migrants from illegally

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<v Speaker 1>crossing in the first place, and for those who remained undeterred,

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<v Speaker 1>to encourage him to cross in more isolated wilderness areas

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<v Speaker 1>to the east, where they could be more easily captured.

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<v Speaker 1>There were already fences in nineteen ninety four, first a

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<v Speaker 1>chain link fence, and then one made of helicopter landing

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<v Speaker 1>mats left over from Vietnam that had horizontal struts that

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<v Speaker 1>closely resembled and were used as a ladder. Anti migrant

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric was already there too. California Governor Pete Wilson became

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<v Speaker 1>an outspoken advocate for Prop one to eighty seven, a

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<v Speaker 1>a measure that cut off state services like healthcare and

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<v Speaker 1>education to undocumented people. Here's a clip of Wilson's reelection

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<v Speaker 1>ad they.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep coming two million illegal immigrants in California. The federal

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<v Speaker 2>government won't stop them at the border, yet requires us

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<v Speaker 2>to pay billions to take care of them. Governor Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Wilson sent the National Guard to help the border patrol.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not all.

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<v Speaker 4>For Californias, who work hard, pay taxes and obey the laws.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm suing to force the federal government to control the

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<v Speaker 4>border and are working to deny state services to illegal amigrants.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough is enough, Governor Pete Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the operation, a much higher number of agents were

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<v Speaker 1>deployed to the border. Apprehensions increase, and with them, so

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<v Speaker 1>did funding for border enforcement. It was around this time

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<v Speaker 1>that the narrative around the border began to change. It

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<v Speaker 1>was also around this time, a few months earlier, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that the US, Mexico, and Canada entered into the North

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<v Speaker 1>American Free Trade Agreement, which made it easier than ever

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<v Speaker 1>for capital to move across the border and take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of low wages in Mexico. To learn a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about Operation Gatekeeper, I spoke to one of the

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<v Speaker 1>agents who was tasked with executing it.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Jen budd and I'm a former senior

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<v Speaker 5>Patrol agent with the United States Border Patrol. I was

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<v Speaker 5>a senior intelligence agent as well as San Diego Sector Headquarters.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennison's left the border patrol, but she realizes the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of Operation Gatekeeper on migrants was anything but positive.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Operation Gatekeeper started in nineteen ninety four, in October

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<v Speaker 5>of nineteen ninety four, and I got to Campo in

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<v Speaker 5>November of nineteen ninety five, and so right afterwards, the

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<v Speaker 5>fence was just getting to Takata when I got there.

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<v Speaker 5>So most of my class, I think we had I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, forty people graduate or something. Most of them

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<v Speaker 5>went down to Imperial Beach and they had a wall

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<v Speaker 5>there there, and so that was the idea, is to

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<v Speaker 5>fill the San Diego City area with as many agents

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<v Speaker 5>and weapons and all this, and then that would push

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<v Speaker 5>the traffic further up to the mountains, making it more

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<v Speaker 5>difficult for them to cross, and some of them get injured,

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<v Speaker 5>and we knew some of them would die, So it

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<v Speaker 5>was intentional. The death and the injuries, according to management,

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<v Speaker 5>would deter future crosses, but of course that that's not

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<v Speaker 5>the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Alan Berson, US attorney in San Diego, was named the

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<v Speaker 1>so called Borders Are by President Bill Clinton a few

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<v Speaker 1>years later to implement that same Gatekeeper strategy across the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the Southwest border. Burst In saw things a

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<v Speaker 1>little differently.

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<v Speaker 10>Neither side claims it, but Gatekeeper was probably the most

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<v Speaker 10>important domestic achievement accomplished in a purely bipartisan manner through

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<v Speaker 10>three administrations, and the greatest accomplishment since President Eisenhower and

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<v Speaker 10>the Democrats put together the state highway system in the

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<v Speaker 10>mid nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>But in fact, while apprehensions did drop in San Diego,

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<v Speaker 1>they spiked by five hundred and ninety one percent in

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<v Speaker 1>the Tucson sector between nineteen ninety two and two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four. The La Times quotes the non partisan Congressional

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<v Speaker 1>Research Service as saying, one unintended consequence of this enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>posture and the shift in migration patterns has been an

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<v Speaker 1>increase in the number of migrant deaths each year. On average,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred migrants died each year in the early nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>compared with four hundred and seventy two migrant deaths in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five. Many of those deaths are now

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<v Speaker 1>in a sector that encompasses the Autumn Reservation. The desert

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<v Speaker 1>there is particularly hard to cross, and the enforcement that

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<v Speaker 1>began with Operation Gatekeeper pushes more and more people onto

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<v Speaker 1>the reservation. Dahn or Autumn people used to travel between

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and Mexico fairly easily are roads without

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<v Speaker 1>checkpoints to visit family, go to school, visit a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>or perform their traditional ceremonial practices. But after nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and its Border Patrol began a more

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<v Speaker 1>visible and violent occupation of the reservation. It started with

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle barrier in two thousand and seven, and it

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<v Speaker 1>continued with CBP's quote unquote virtual wall of surveillance technology,

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<v Speaker 1>cameras and drones. The Israeli company Elbit Systems has built

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<v Speaker 1>fixed surveillance towers, which they pioneered in the West Bank

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<v Speaker 1>on tribal land with the permission of tribal council. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>other members of the nation strongly oppose the militarization of

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<v Speaker 1>their homeland in the name of security of whatever homeland

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Homeland Security is securing. I'll quote here

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<v Speaker 1>from Todd Miller, whose excellent work on the borders required

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<v Speaker 1>reading for anyone interested in the subject. Amy Juan and

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<v Speaker 1>Nellie Joe David members of the Horn Autumn her Magicum

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<v Speaker 1>Writes Network. Tohrn joined a delegation to the West Bank

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<v Speaker 1>in October twenty seventeen, convened by the Palestinian Organization to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the war. It was a relief, one says, to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with people who understand our fears, who are dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with militarization and technology. In twenty seventeen, to Horn, Autumn

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<v Speaker 1>vice chairman Verlin Jsse said that a war will be

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<v Speaker 1>built quote over my dead body, and the tribe released

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<v Speaker 1>a video saying there is no Autumn word for war.

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<v Speaker 1>The sixty two miles of the border on their reservation

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<v Speaker 1>would remain without one, they said. By twenty twenty, the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration had four through a wall or much of

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<v Speaker 1>the border using what is known as the Roosevelt Reservation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a sixty foot wide strip of land that

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government owns along the border in California, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and New Mexico. Although much of the Autumn Nation remains

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<v Speaker 1>war free and somehows what's called a vehicle barrier or

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<v Speaker 1>a normandy barrier, approximately one third of the Roosevelt Reservation

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<v Speaker 1>is on tribal land. Since two thousand and five, realized

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<v Speaker 1>the Act, environmental surveys and laws have been waved for

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<v Speaker 1>border security, and this gave the Trump administration a way

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<v Speaker 1>to justify the destruction of autumn and Kumi burial grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>sawad or cacti that the autumn seas relatives, and other

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<v Speaker 1>sacred sites along the border. Despite efforts by tribal members

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<v Speaker 1>and allies to stop the construction, members of the Taharanna

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn Nation have been pepper sprayed, beaten tailed, and shot

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<v Speaker 1>by Border patrol. In two thousand and two, a Border

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<v Speaker 1>Patrol agent ran over and killed an Artham teenager. Last week,

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<v Speaker 1>the same night I was waiting down by the border

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<v Speaker 1>for the end of Title forty two, Border patrol agents

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<v Speaker 1>shot and killed Raymond Mattia, an odd to man who

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<v Speaker 1>had called and asked him for help. He was shot

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight times just two feet from his front door,

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<v Speaker 1>recording to his family Well, mister Mattia's death is still

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<v Speaker 1>being investigated. The Border Patrol has a long tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>literally getting away with murder. This is because they investigate

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<v Speaker 1>themselves using so called critical incident teams. I talked to

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<v Speaker 1>Jen about what those teams do, and so.

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<v Speaker 5>What they would do is they would get there first

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<v Speaker 5>on the scene because we would call them first. We

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't call anybody else. We'd call them first, and then

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<v Speaker 5>they come, they get rid of the witnesses, They set

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<v Speaker 5>the scene up the way we want to be done,

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<v Speaker 5>and they tell you the narrative that you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>stick with. You talk to your union reps, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>all this giant cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's John Carlos Free, a journalist who covered ci T

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<v Speaker 1>cover ups, talking to Democracy Now about how these teams work.

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<v Speaker 11>Within the actual agency of the US Border Patrol, there

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<v Speaker 11>is an investigated body called SIT, the Critical Incident Team.

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<v Speaker 11>They are tasked with investigating incidents that involve Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 11>and it can be anything from a car accident to

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<v Speaker 11>in this case, an individual who's killed at the hands

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<v Speaker 11>of the US Border Patrol. In this particular case of

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<v Speaker 11>Anastasio Hernandez Rojas, border Patrol agents deleted video, they collected

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<v Speaker 11>evidence at the scene. They were present in the hospital

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<v Speaker 11>when Anastasio was being treated, They were present at the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 11>They fudged reports, they deleted reports, They coached their own

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<v Speaker 11>agents on what kind of testimony they were to give.

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<v Speaker 11>They were present at every one of the depositions. They

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<v Speaker 11>made sure that they were the victims in this case.

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<v Speaker 11>And when I say that, what I mean is that

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<v Speaker 11>Border Patrol agents, SIT team agents make sure that Border

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<v Speaker 11>Patrol agents are looked at as the victims in any

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<v Speaker 11>sort of an incident, meaning that they are allowed then

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<v Speaker 11>to use lethal force if a Border Patrol agent has

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<v Speaker 11>rocks thrown at them or in the case of Anastasio,

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<v Speaker 11>they alleged that Anastasio was violent and that he was

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<v Speaker 11>kicking and punching and he needed to be subdued. If

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<v Speaker 11>we take a look at the videotape, that's not actually

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<v Speaker 11>what happened. He's handcuffed, he's prone on the ground, his

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<v Speaker 11>faces down, agents are on top of him. But if

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<v Speaker 11>you read the reports in this case that were prepared

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<v Speaker 11>by SID Anastasio was a violent man and needed to

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<v Speaker 11>be subdued.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, Border Patrol was ordered to disband

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<v Speaker 1>these teams, but Jen says they simply moved them somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>else and gave them a different name.

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<v Speaker 5>So then they said that they disbanded them because we

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<v Speaker 5>brought the truth out and how they did all this

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<v Speaker 5>and we proved it. But what they actually did is

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<v Speaker 5>they did a retention. So they had the Border Patrol

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<v Speaker 5>agents resign from the Border Patrol and move over to

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<v Speaker 5>CBP OPR and we hired them under there. So the

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<v Speaker 5>team that likely went to go investigate the tahonum Otum killing,

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<v Speaker 5>I believe his name is Matia Martia and Raymond Martya

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<v Speaker 5>is likely the Border Patrol fitteens. So if the Border

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<v Speaker 5>Patrol agents, a lot of people don't understand, it's like

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<v Speaker 5>a cult, you know. They always say you blee green,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and you don't go back from green, and

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<v Speaker 5>probably one of the few that ever left, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and tells the truth about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Course, the vast majority of people whose families will

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<v Speaker 1>never find justice because of these cit teams are not white,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course Border Patrol has long rooted links to

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<v Speaker 1>white nationalism. In nineteen seventy seven, about forty five minutes

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<v Speaker 1>from San Diego and another forty five minutes from Komba,

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<v Speaker 1>David Duke, grand Dragon of the Knights of the klu

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<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan at the time, announced the official beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>Clan Border Watch. You claim there were hundreds of clansmen

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<v Speaker 1>on the border, but local newspapers The Desert Sun reported

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<v Speaker 1>that there were in reality at least ten are quote

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<v Speaker 1>directly from the Desert Suns reporting at a time here,

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<v Speaker 1>Duke said Clans one would refrain from direct contact with

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<v Speaker 1>it leagal aliens if any have found, he said, klansmen

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<v Speaker 1>would not talk to them or contact them, but if

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<v Speaker 1>any illegal crossings a scene, they're going to use CBE

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<v Speaker 1>radios to relay the information to border patrol, Duke said.

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<v Speaker 1>Duke of Metairie, Louisiana, claimed the clan has the support

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<v Speaker 1>of the American people and helping the border patrol stem

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<v Speaker 1>the influx of illegal aliens into this country. He claimed,

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<v Speaker 1>the illegal aliens take jobs away from US citizens. We

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<v Speaker 1>feel this rising tide washing over our border is going

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<v Speaker 1>to affect our culture, he told reporters at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>in a statement that wouldn't sound out of place on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News today. In response, more than one thousand, five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred brown Berries threatened to rally against Duke. A protest

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<v Speaker 1>far out numbering his patrols popped up along the border.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties. Texas

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<v Speaker 1>Knights of the KKK leader Louis Beam, a Vietnam War

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<v Speaker 1>veteran who had helped to organize and promote Duke's border stunt,

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<v Speaker 1>established paramilitary camps around Texas and train children as young

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<v Speaker 1>as eight in the deadly guerrilla warfare tactics he learned overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>he rallied white fishermen against Vietnamese migrants and burned their boats.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty nineteen, a border patrol agent from Logales named

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Bowen was accused of knocking down a Guatemala man

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<v Speaker 1>with his vehicle, then lying to a quart about the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecutors in the case showed the jury text Bowen sent,

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<v Speaker 1>including one which called migrants quote disgusting, sub human shit,

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<v Speaker 1>unworthy of being kindling for a fire. In several text messages,

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<v Speaker 1>Bowen references quote tonks. This is a derogatory term for

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<v Speaker 1>border crossing migrants. The origins are determined a little bit unclear,

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<v Speaker 1>but it seems to be derived from the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>a flashlight hitting the back of someone's head. In argument

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<v Speaker 1>against submitting the texts, defense lawyer Sean Chapman wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>he would argue certain terms are quote commonplace throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>boy patrols too, so on sector, this is part of

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<v Speaker 1>the agency's culture, and therefore it says nothing about mister

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<v Speaker 1>Bowen's mindset. Gents kind of language and attitude was not

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<v Speaker 1>uncommon in her time. In border patrol from the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineties to the early two thousands, but things have got

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<v Speaker 1>worse since.

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<v Speaker 5>There have been some definite changes in the border patrol,

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<v Speaker 5>in the training from before nine to eleven to after

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<v Speaker 5>nine to eleven, and what you also see, so their

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<v Speaker 5>vocabulary has changed. So like they refer to migrants and

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<v Speaker 5>asylum seecrecs invaders. We never use that term prior to

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<v Speaker 5>nine to eleven, and we did have racist words that

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<v Speaker 5>were used for them, and I use them as well

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<v Speaker 5>on that denying there.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, this kind of language isn't just restricted to

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<v Speaker 1>border patrol.

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<v Speaker 12>The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

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<v Speaker 12>I care, it's true, and these are the best and

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<v Speaker 12>the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending

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<v Speaker 12>their best. They're not sending you.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not sending you.

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<v Speaker 12>They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're

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<v Speaker 12>bringing those problems with those. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime,

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<v Speaker 12>they're rapists, and some are assumer good people.

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<v Speaker 1>There has been white supremacist violence at the border ever

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<v Speaker 1>since Duke and long before. Often it's been at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of groups outside of the state sometimes it's been

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of the state. In Arizona, groups like

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona Border Ricon and minute Men American Defense have terrorized

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<v Speaker 1>border communities for decades, engage renewed momentum from Trump's consistent

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<v Speaker 1>demonization of migrants. I spent a bit of time looking

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<v Speaker 1>for them in the desert in Arizona last week, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see much, not that I really wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Interaction with these militias probably far more off and then

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<v Speaker 1>we have documented evidence for can be fatal, just like

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<v Speaker 1>interaction with customs and border protection. Here's just one example

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<v Speaker 1>called from David Newitt's excellent book and health followed with her.

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<v Speaker 1>On May thirtieth, two thousand and nine, Seana Ford, Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Eugene Bush, and Albert Gacxiola, all members of Ford's vigilante

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<v Speaker 1>group min at Man American Defense, forced their way into

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<v Speaker 1>Raoul Flores Junior's home in Alavika, Arizona, bar pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>be border patrol agents. The group planned to steal and

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<v Speaker 1>sell drugs they thought Flores had in his house. The

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>FBI knew about this, but did nothing to stop them.

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<v Speaker 1>Finding no drugs in the house. CI Vigilante's murdered Flores

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<v Speaker 1>and his nine year old daughter, Bricennia, Flora's wife and

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:49.879
<v Speaker 1>Brisennia's mother, Gina Marie Gonzalez, was shot three times. She

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<v Speaker 1>played dead, but when attackers returned, she exchanged fire with them,

0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.280
<v Speaker 1>using her husband's handgun. In doing so, she hit Bush.

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Bush had previously been charged with a September nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven execution of an Aryan Nation associate for the supposed

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 1>crime of being a race traitor. Both Ford and Bush

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>are currently on death row in Arizona. The KKAK was

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<v Speaker 1>not the only group recruiting children for border patrolling. Since

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<v Speaker 1>the mid nineteen eighties, the Border Patrol's Explorer Program has

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>recruited young men and women of high school age. The

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>program is charted through Learning for Life, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>subsidiary of the Scouts of America. For kids, often the

0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.800
<v Speaker 1>children of immigrants living in border towns where industry has

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 1>long since gone in a decent wage is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>come by, the program offers the chance at a starting

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 1>salary of sixty two thousand dollars, twice a median income

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 1>in some of these towns. Young explorers will learn tracking, survival, shooting,

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and how to detain and process on documented migrants, people

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>who in some cases are walking in the footsteps of

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<v Speaker 1>their own parents. According to an article by Moraling Music

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>in the Nation, young Explorers have to earn the right

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<v Speaker 1>to their uniform by participate in their sixty hour Basic

0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Explorer Academy, of which they learned CPR drills and the

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>methods of conducting vehicle stops. It also offers courses in

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<v Speaker 1>radio communications, public speaking, report writing, and ethics and integrity,

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<v Speaker 1>and introduces the US to criminal juvenile immigration of Fourth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment law. While I was writing so checked out the

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego sector page, which seems to show young people running, shooting,

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and one who looks like he's just been mased in

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the face. The next photo on the Facebook page dedicated

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to this Border Patrol sector shows a man in handcuffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Above this is a video of someone dropping a chart

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<v Speaker 1>from the top of the border fence. Without figures from

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.240
<v Speaker 1>the CVP, it's hard to tell of participation in the

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Explorers has dropped as public awareness of family separation assault

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<v Speaker 1>anw the behavior doesn't exactly fit with the Border Patrol's

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<v Speaker 1>motto on a first has spread. I asked Jen for

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<v Speaker 1>her take on the Explorer program.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I call it Border Patrol US because it reminds

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<v Speaker 5>me a lot of the Hitler youth, where we go

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<v Speaker 5>into the high schools and we get the kids that

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<v Speaker 5>are in trouble, and typically they are Latino dominant high schools,

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 5>and we teach them how to be many Border patrol agents,

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 5>and we teach them to hate somebody else instead of themselves.

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 5>We indoctrinate them into the same stuff that I was

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 5>indoctrinating into. But it's even gone so far now as

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.399
<v Speaker 5>to they do the dog and pony shows at the

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 5>elementary school, so they're getting them when they're like six

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 5>seven years old, and they go there with you a

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 5>little Border Patrol bulletproofess and put them on them and

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 5>take pictures and put it on social.

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<v Speaker 11>Media, and they.

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<v Speaker 5>Have them sit in their trucks and turn the signs

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<v Speaker 5>on and all this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That indoctrination is crucial to border patrol culture. And to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, the reason I wanted to talk to Jen

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 1>was to understand it better. In Ocomber, i'd see a

0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>young Border patrol agent, a woman giving volunteers rights. I'm

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 1>not about to get into a Border Patrol truck myself,

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't going to get a response by asked

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 1>the agent how she squared up her role in holding

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>people in the desert with the fact that some volunteers

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>said she'd spend her own money buying supplies. Jen said

0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>that this kind of behavior can be pretty common with

0:27:58.760 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>young agents.

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 5>I had intended to go to law school to be a

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.719
<v Speaker 5>civil rights attorney when I joined the Border Patrol, and

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 5>for me, I ignored my core values and ignored that

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 5>I was enforcing laws that sent thousands of human beings

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 5>to their deaths because I felt like I was trying

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 5>to survive. I was raped in the academy by a

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 5>fellow agent, and they covered that up, and I was

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 5>really trying to get out of the South and start

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.919
<v Speaker 5>my life. I would say like, especially with female agents,

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 5>they calls it ers five percent, because there's never been

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 5>more than five percent of women in the Border Patrol rates.

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 5>And they say, oh, it's because it's very hard. It's

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 5>not because it's very hard. I mean, it is very

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 5>hard to get through, but it's also it's because they're

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 5>actually assaulting us all the time in the academy and

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 5>halassing us. So I go back and forth in my

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 5>mind and I would imagine this young woman. You know,

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 5>she has days where she arrests some pretty decent criminals

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 5>every now and then once in a blue moon, but

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 5>the majority of them, if she's paying attention and not

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 5>completely self absorbed, she'll realize that they're not criminals and

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 5>their families just simply seeking asylum. So she at some

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 5>point has to decide in her mind, is this what

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 5>I got into? Is this what I want to do

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 5>with my life.

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<v Speaker 1>In the wake of nine to eleven, and quite tellingly,

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the Border Patrol moved from oversight by the Department of

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Justice to the new Department of Homeland Security. This move

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>from Justice as Security has been echoed in its recruiting,

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>which once drew heavily on those its humanitarian aid experience

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and now tries to appeal to veterans of the two

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>decades of war that have accompanied the growth of DHS

0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Since two thousand and one, when the DHS was first established,

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>the name struck many as problematic. In the two thousand

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and two article in The New York Times, Elizabeth Becker

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>wrote that the name had worrying similarities to the way

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis talked about their fatherland, and it didn't really

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>fit with the way Americans spoke. Nobody in two thousand

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 1>and one was talking about the homeland. But two decades

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and billions of dollars later, it's hard to find much

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>in the way of criticism of the agency in DC,

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that the twenty twenty two budgets of

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>CBP and ICE was sixteen and eight billion, respectively, and

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>every year since two thousand and one, DHS has obtained

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>more guns, more drones, and more surveillance technology that is

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>inevitably used to spy on citizens as well as non citizens.

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety five, there are about four thousand CBP agents.

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>By twenty twenty there were twenty thousand, with seventeen thousand

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>stations on the southern border. This is a slight drop

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>from a peak of just over twenty one thousand under Obama,

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>who is often called the deporter in chief. RI is

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>fondness for expelling people from the United States for crimes

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.400
<v Speaker 1>like having a PieP or financial misconduct, the so called

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>aggravated felonies and crimes of moral turpitude that only exists

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>for non citizens. These agents today have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>operate in what the ACLU calls a constitution free zone

0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and can conduct suspicion free searches of electronic devices, use

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>cell site simulators, and sweep up data about thousands of

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>people never accused of any crime. One of the more

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>notable examples of this happened only a few yards from

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>where I was recording last week in Santa Cidro. It's

0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a story worth recounting in detail because it brings together

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the themes we've spoken about so far, demonization of migrants,

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>government overreach, and a frank disregard for international and national law.

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>In late twenty eighteen, I was enjoying a break from

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>work in a caravan near in Sonata. If you think

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>back to that time, right before the midterms, you might

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>remember some of the rhetoric thats circulated around large group

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>of migrants making their way to the southern border. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>play some of the clips from Fox that MPR cut

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<v Speaker 1>together in their coverage of the issue.

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<v Speaker 13>The sympathetic, overwrought coverage of this invading horde is calling

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 13>it a caravans, a misnomer in a frankly sickness.

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<v Speaker 9>Or sample the Chipper Morning show Fox and Friends.

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<v Speaker 14>I've gotten so many email from people who said don't

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 14>call it a cat caravan.

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 5>Call it an invasion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 10>Is that fair?

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 9>Host Steve Doocy put the question to conservative pundit Michelle malkin.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course it is.

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<v Speaker 11>It is a full scale invasion by a hostile force,

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<v Speaker 11>and it requires our president and our commander in chief

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 11>to use any means necessary to protect our sovereignty.

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<v Speaker 9>CNN's Brian Stelter found that Fox News featured segments using

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<v Speaker 9>the phrase invasion more than sixty times this month about

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 9>the migrants. On Fox Business Network, lou Dobbs's program invoked

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 9>it dozens of times. Trump ordered five thousand troops to

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 9>the border. He tweeted yesterday, quote, this is an invasion

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 9>of our country, and Trump has, without evidence, claimed gang

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 9>members and criminals and Middle Easterners are among them. Over

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 9>on Fox, guests have similarly, without supporting facts, suggested people

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 9>from Isis and the Taliban might be among those migrants.

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 9>Even so, the network's chief news anchor, Shepherd Smith, tried

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 9>to put on the brakes yesterday.

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<v Speaker 6>Tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 6>what all of this is about. There is no invasion,

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<v Speaker 6>No one's coming to get you. There's nothing at all

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 6>to worry about this month.

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 9>Fox hosts and guests have repeatedly questions whether the migrants

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 9>might bring in infectious diseases again without evidence. Laura Ingram,

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<v Speaker 9>we don't.

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<v Speaker 13>Know what people have coming in here. We have diseases

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 13>in this country we haven't had for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll leave you to process the incredible arrogy of the

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 1>network that killed the decent percentage of its viewers by

0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.000
<v Speaker 1>denying that COVID was serious or a disease, or the

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>vaccines and masks are useful panicking about infectious diseases. Just

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>two years before the pandemic began, the Tree of Life

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>shooter who we won't name here, who is currently facing

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a death penunty trial for murdering eleven people in a

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh synagogue, was obsessed with the caravan. The victims of

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the largest anti Semitic mass murder in US history included

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>a beloved community doctor, a great grandmother, and a couple

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>who'd gotten married at the same synagogue more than sixty

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>years earlier. The shooter's last post on hate speech social

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>media site gab, posted just minutes before the synagogue massacre,

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 1>spells it out with a reference to the Hebrew immigrant

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Aid Society, the Jewish nonprofit that resettles refugees in the

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 1>United States. Hiat liked to bring invadives to kill our people.

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't sit by on watch my people get slaughtered.

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Screw your optics, I'm going in. The shooter was obsessed

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>with the idea that a caravan of migrants with not

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>a group of people trying to save their own lives,

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>but a coordinated and somehow Jewish led invasion an attempts

0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>to demographically restructure the United States. If you're ending where

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 1>he got that idea from, he is America's favorite job

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>seek at. Tucker Carlson on the caravan.

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<v Speaker 14>Over the past month, a caravan of Central American migrants

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<v Speaker 14>has gradually made its way up from Honduras through Mexico

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 14>all the way to Tijuana opposite San Diego. At one point,

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 14>Mexican authorities claimed they broke up the group, and American media,

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 14>of course dutifully reported that they did, but they didn't.

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 14>That was just a pr gesture and a temporary one.

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 14>In fact, during parts of the trip, Mexican police escorted

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 14>the migrants northward. In other words, the Mexican government a

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.839
<v Speaker 14>did illegal immigration into this country as it has done

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 14>for many years. Well, tonight the caravan is on our

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 14>southern border. Rather than wait for the crossing station at

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 14>Sania Sidro to open, many of them just jumped the fence.

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.280
<v Speaker 14>Some waved on during flags when they got to the top.

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.239
<v Speaker 14>And that tells you everything. When you arrive in a

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 14>country to contribute to it and to assimilate into its culture,

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 14>you don't wave the flag of a foreign nation. That's

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<v Speaker 14>what you do in triumph when you invader country.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>On my way home from Ensnado in twenty eighteen, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that quote invading Horde in the Benito Quadi Sports

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Complex and probably turned around and went back. My instinct

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.879
<v Speaker 1>as a journalist is to cover things like this, but

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>my instinct to the person is to help first. On

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the first day I was there with two friends I

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.960
<v Speaker 1>know from the weird world of pro cycling. Things were

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty bad. We'd obtained a backpack full of stroop waffles

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that a friend who makes stroop waffles have given us.

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Once we gave those out, I talked to a few

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>people about what they needed. We coordinated with mutual a

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>groups in Tijuana and off its support or have a weeked.

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:02.160
<v Speaker 1>In the next few weeks, my friends and I spent

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of dollars at a Tijuana costco, received

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars in donations from people we hadn't seen

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 1>in years, and in one memorable instance, rigged up a

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>projected as someone had tactically obtained from an office to

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>a DVD player which we'd installed in the roof of

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>a dilapidated nightclub for little children and their mothers so

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they could watch Beverly Hills, Chihuahua and forget about the

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 1>fact that the country they were traveling to was portraying

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>these little infants as invaders. I have a lot of

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>very complicated memories of those few weeks. Little girls braiding

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>my hair, little boys and girls trying to comprehend exactly

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>how I could be this bad at football, and people

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>from San Diego churches, Tijuana anarchist kitchens, and mutual a

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 1>groups around the region coming together to look after a

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 1>group of people who'd been so heavily demonized by folks

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>who had never met them or even been here. His

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Trump defending calling the caravan an invasion and simultaneously explaining

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>why migrants low wage to labor is desirable for people

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>like him.

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<v Speaker 15>Thank you, this president, I challenge you on one of

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 15>the statements that you made in the tail end of

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 15>the campaign in the mid terms that here we go that, well,

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 15>if you don't mind, miss president coming that this caravan

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.960
<v Speaker 15>was an invasion, as you know, consider it to be.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.360
<v Speaker 15>As you know, miss President, the caravan was not an invasion.

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 15>It's a it's a a group of migrants moving up

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 15>from Central America towards the border with the US.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you for dan.

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 15>Why why did you why did you characterize it as such?

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 4>Uh?

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 8>As I consider an invasion, you and I have a

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 8>difference of it.

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.919
<v Speaker 15>But do you think that you demonized immigrants.

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 10>Not as election to try.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:29.799
<v Speaker 4>I want them.

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 8>I want them to come into the country, but they

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 8>have to come in legally. You know, they have to

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 8>come in Jim through a process. I wanted to be

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 8>a process and I want people to come in. And

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 8>we need the people.

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 15>Your campaign, your campaign.

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 8>You know why we need the people, does you? Because

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 8>we have hundreds of companies moving in. We need the people.

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Trump, as you heard in the clip, use a migrant

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>caravan and to prop for his racism big midterm campaign.

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>It didn't work and he lost control of the house,

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>but he did succeed in forcing these people to spend

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>months in the cold, first in a sports stadium and

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 1>then the old nightclub. Even as a migrant gradually reduced

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>in number, with many finding work and a new life

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in Mexico, some finding their way north. The long legacy

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.839
<v Speaker 1>of that caravan was only just starting. In the months

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>have followed journalists who'd covered the caravan, as well as

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>those who offered assistant to caravan members, so they felt

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 1>they'd become targets of intense inspections of scrutiny by border officials.

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I got pulled into secondarily once during this time, and

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 1>that was entering Mexaco. The worst I got was a

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>chance to inspect my nineteen eighty pickup trucks soil pen.

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>But for others things weren't so easy. Homeland Security Investigation

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:38.320
<v Speaker 1>special agent turned whistleblower Wesley Peternac helped NBC to document

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>that under the umbrella of what was called Operation Secure Line,

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Homeland Security created a database of activists, journalists,

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 1>and social media influences tied to the migrant caravan when

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 1>they crossed the border. Individuals in that database were often

0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>subjected to hours long screenings and in some cases had

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>flagspaced on their passports. A PowerPoint slideshow which Petanac leaked

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>to NBC seven list some of the people, some of

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 1>them have been guests on this show. They include ten journalists,

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 1>seven on whom are US citizens, a US attorney, forty

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>eight people from the US and other countries who are

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>labeled as organizers, instigators, or having unknown roles. The target

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 1>lists also includes organizers from groups like Border Angels and

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Pueblos in Frontellas I asked journalists brook Ben Cowsey to

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.760
<v Speaker 1>describe her experience of increased border scrutiny in twenty eighteen.

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 16>If you don't have a pre approved card, you have

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 16>to like go through wait and line, wait in this

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 16>long ass line, and then you know, you go and

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 16>get vetted by CDP. They ask you some questions or

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:39.960
<v Speaker 16>they just wave you through, depending on what kind of

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 16>day they're having or whatever. So in my case, I

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 16>started getting pulled into secondary inspection more and more so

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 16>they would wave my car over and then take me

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 16>into this secondary place where it's sort of like this

0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.759
<v Speaker 16>back it's like a Quonsett pet sort of, and in

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 16>it like all these cars drive in and out, and

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.720
<v Speaker 16>they'll they'll go through your things, they'll get in your face,

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 16>you know, they'll do all kinds of stuff. And I

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.040
<v Speaker 16>don't there have to be cameras in there somewhere, but

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 16>I've never seen any. So I just kept getting pulled

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 16>into secondary more and more as though I was this

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 16>suspicious person, as though I was suspected of something, and

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 16>every time I asked, they'd be like, I don't know,

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 16>it's just random, ma'am, and ma'am, it's just random. So

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 16>actually this started about twenty fourteen for me, but it

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 16>started to escalate in twenty eighteen. Twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 16>started to escalate, and I was like, a fucking Trump administration,

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 16>of course going to escalate.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Right under Trump, She said, things got worse.

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 16>From twenty seventeen through twenty eighteen. It kind of worked

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 16>where you push back and I'd be like, you need

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 16>to let me fucking go. You know, I'm century, I'm

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 16>already pre checked. If you think that there's something wrong

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 16>that I'm doing, and take my fucking century away, and

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 16>I want to talk to your manager type stuff, right,

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:46.319
<v Speaker 16>So I.

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 13>Was doing that.

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.680
<v Speaker 16>That worked until twenty eighteen, and then it started to

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 16>get really garmly.

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Eventually things came to a head. The day before the

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 1>migrants of the caravan were tia gassed. And I've seen

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 1>most people remember from twenty eighteen.

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 16>So but on that night, as I was coming back,

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 16>I drove through and I did the sentry thing, you know,

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 16>the usual stuff, and got pulled into secondary and this

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 16>time it was really like gnarly. The time before that

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 16>had also been really gnarlly, like nobody hurt me, nobody

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 16>did anything. But they got really close to my face,

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 16>like brighten my face, you know, and started screaming at me,

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 16>like screaming over me. And I kept going, I'd like

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:26.520
<v Speaker 16>to speak to your manager, you know, sir, like please

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 16>please get out of my face, sir. And it was

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.839
<v Speaker 16>it was gross and they were going through my shit

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 16>and that was gross. Like they didn't find anything, but

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 16>it was just an invasive, hostile, disgusting thing. And that

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.280
<v Speaker 16>was when so I said, can I speak to your manager?

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 16>Which is a magic phrase when you're a middle aged

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 16>white woman. So I say this, and they bring over

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 16>some guy and he goes, ma'am, can I help you?

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 16>I'm like, yeah, what the fuck? You know, why are

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 16>you treating me this way? Why did any of this happen?

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 16>And he goes, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Your name's on

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 16>a list summer you've been flagg And I'm like, so

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 16>every time I've crossed, I've been flagged. He's like, yeah,

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.760
<v Speaker 16>and yeah, you've been. There's a flag on your passport

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 16>or against your name and that's why. And I said, well,

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.359
<v Speaker 16>why is there a flag against my name? And he goes,

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 16>I don't know, You're going to have to do a

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 16>Freedom of Information Act request or something. I don't even

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:20.640
<v Speaker 16>know if he knew I was a journalist.

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Sadly brooklast cross in twenty eighteen, and since I photographed

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 1>those Cumi folks in ceremony near Campo, the border wall

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.920
<v Speaker 1>has only got longer. Every mile it stretches out means

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.279
<v Speaker 1>another mile into the desert people have to walk, and

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that means that more people won't walk out of that desert.

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Those people who lost their lives, an attempt to save them,

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>a mark with little red dots on the various maps,

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 1>an attempt to put the humanitarian crisis into a visual form.

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Those dots begin in South America's people die traveling north,

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 1>but they're sparse and isolated. Where that changes is the

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>places I've been driving all week, Eastern California, southern Arizona.

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Places I know from years of hiking, climbing, and cycling,

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Places where one mistake can be fatal. I know for

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 1>my friends who spend time resupplying water caches and searching

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:08.359
<v Speaker 1>for missing people, that you don't have to make any

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 1>mistakes to die in the desert, especially if you're young

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 1>or old, or sick or afraid to ask for help.

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 1>These are the places we force people to travel through

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>on foot to come here and create a better future

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 1>for themselves. Dehydration, exposure, and drowning or rank highly as

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>caused a death along the border. Last year saw a

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>record for border deaths, and with Biden attempting to take

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a hard line going into twenty twenty four, and climate

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>change and instability continuing to drive migrants north to the

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 1>place that causes so much of that climate change and instability,

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 1>there's no reason to believe things will get better. I

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>want to point to one tragic loss, one of thousands,

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that happened not far from where I live. In February

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty, Juana Margalita and Paula Santosarthe were traveling

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 1>by foot from Wahaka to their future in the United

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 1>States along a trail sometimes known as the Shrine Trail.

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Their family told media back home that they were searching

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 1>for us when you are Medicano the American Dream. Along

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>their route is a small religious shrine which marks the

0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>last point from which you can see in Mexico. It's

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.440
<v Speaker 1>well inside the US along a dry creek bed in

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the Laguna Mountains. It can be hot in the summer

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and cold in the winter. Last November I camped out there,

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>and even with thousands of dollars in gear, I was

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>dangerously close to cold injury. I've also rescued hikers with

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>dehydration symptoms near here. The desert and the weather might

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>be part of the story, but the desert doesn't kill

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>people on its own. It's the border that forces people

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 1>deep into the desert that kills them. The desert is

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>just a tool for a system that uses death of

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the current. When the girls cross the border near Campo

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 1>on the ninth of February, it was raining. As they

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 1>climbed the Laguna Mountains, it started to snow. They huddled

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>under a bolder for warmth, and the two men smuggling

0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 1>them across struck out to get SAR reception and corn

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>nine to one one. By the time boor Star Border Patrol,

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Search Trauma and Rescue team arrived, two of the girls

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>had died as they tried to save Juana. Their request

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 1>for air support was declined, and she died with one

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of the agent's jackkits wrapped around her and another agent's

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 1>beanie on her head. For some reason, the girl's remains

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>were not recovered right away, and they were not rewarmed,

0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:24.240
<v Speaker 1>and so they last their last chance at the American

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>dream and not life. Today, their final resting place is

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>marked by three crosses and a cash of supplies placed

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>there by volunteers. At the time I'm recording this, we

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know where all the folks we met at the

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 1>border are now. Then we might never know. Not being

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>able to follow stories is the sad part of this reporting.

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes knows people all have my phone number, but they

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>might not any more have their phones or this scrap

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of paper are wroteed on. Often these things can be

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.320
<v Speaker 1>taken for them in custody. What we do know is

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>that on May eighteenth, exactly one week after title forty two,

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 1>ended Immigration and Customers Enforcement also known as ICE, tweeted

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 1>a video of Customs Enforcement and Removal Operations agents walking

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 1>down the corridor of a flight full of mass people.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:14.879
<v Speaker 1>The caption read ICE conducted multiple removal flights including Ecuador, Guatemala,

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.919
<v Speaker 1>and Honduras as part of dozens flights conducted each week.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 1>On the wall of my office as I write this,

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 1>there are several propaganda posters from the Spanish Second Republic.

0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>One is as simple as it is heartbreaking. The poster

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:30.919
<v Speaker 1>depicts a squadron of fascist bombers and the dead body

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:35.120
<v Speaker 1>of a child. The slogan underneath reads, if you tolerate this,

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>then your children will be next. The poster was, of

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:41.480
<v Speaker 1>course correct. It was the inspiration for songs for the

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Clash and the Mansue preachers, which are what, in turn

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:45.839
<v Speaker 1>made me want to learn about the Spanish Civil War.

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>The slogan, coined in nineteen thirty seven, feels as relevant

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>today as it does then. It was one that folks

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>on the border might as well have been screaming by

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, but one that went ignored, just as it

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 1>did in nineteen thirty seven. In twenty twenty, folks began

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.280
<v Speaker 1>to realize what it meant when border patrol drones circled

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<v Speaker 1>the skies around Minneapolis and cell phone signal interceptors tracked

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<v Speaker 1>citizens all over the US when they came together to

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<v Speaker 1>demand that the police stopped murdering people. It became more

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<v Speaker 1>real in twenty twenty three when under DeSantis, Florida began

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<v Speaker 1>the process of legalizing state kidnapping of trans and gender

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<v Speaker 1>nonperforming kids from their loving families. But that all began

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<v Speaker 1>when the state ripped Indigenous children for their families in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteenth and twentieth centuries who tried to destroy their

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<v Speaker 1>culture by punishing them for wearing their clothes, speaking their languages,

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<v Speaker 1>or using their names. Wasn't a big leap from there

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<v Speaker 1>to Trump's family separation policy, which detained kids on their own,

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<v Speaker 1>away from their families as a means of punishing a

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<v Speaker 1>deterring migrants, And it's reached its obvious endpoint in Florida

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<v Speaker 1>because despite all the people chanting about kids in courages

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty, it's almost universal bipartisan agreement on treating

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<v Speaker 1>people of our southern border like humans without rights. And

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<v Speaker 1>because for two decades we've allowed the border surveillance industrial

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<v Speaker 1>complex to grow an unprecedented and uncontrollable scale. But what

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<v Speaker 1>you us all changing things now will be very difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>DHS aren't numbers many nations armies, and it's considerably better equipped.

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<v Speaker 1>But unless people show up and take action, things are

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<v Speaker 1>going to get considerably worse, regardless of who you vote

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<v Speaker 1>for or what they say in order to get you

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for them. As Katie said, little things can

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<v Speaker 1>make a difference. Now, if you listen this far, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you'll take the time to try and do those

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<v Speaker 1>little things. Before we go, I want to update you

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<v Speaker 1>on what's happened in the week we've been publishing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Although there are no longer people held out in the

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<v Speaker 1>open in gomber and sant Asedra, there are still many

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<v Speaker 1>people trying to present themselves at the sant Asedra border

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<v Speaker 1>to claim asylum. Today I was told they are about

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred of them. They're waiting there, often for days.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of them are getting turned away. They're all frustrated

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<v Speaker 1>with CVP one which continues to be buggy, offer no

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<v Speaker 1>appointments and struggle to photograph black faces. I also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to mention some of the organizations you can find and

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<v Speaker 1>donate to if you'd like to support their rector. They

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<v Speaker 1>are the Asian Solidarity Collective, Alo Trollaro, the American Friends

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<v Speaker 1>Service Committee, Border Kindness, Borderlands Relief Collective, the Haitian Bridge Alliance,

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<v Speaker 1>the Partnership for the Advancement of New Americans and PREVENKASA

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<v Speaker 1>pr E V E N C A s A. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>also like to thank Joe Oriana his Twitter is at

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<v Speaker 1>Joe or Photo for his reporting which very much contributed

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<v Speaker 1>to this series. It Could Happen Here as a production

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<v Speaker 1>of cool Zone Media.

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