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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer,

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Speaker 3: Paul Mission Control decads. Most importantly, you are you, You

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Speaker 3: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. Tonight, fellow conspiracy realist, we are

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Speaker 3: exploring the story of the Boy Scouts. It's an international

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Speaker 3: youth organization originally founded ostensibly to teach morality, ethics, and

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Speaker 3: preparedness to young males in the United Kingdom, and then

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Speaker 3: it expanded to the US and now it exists in

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Speaker 3: multiple other countries. Two caveats before we dive in. We

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Speaker 3: have our own individual backgrounds of involvement with Scouting to

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Speaker 3: one degree or another, and as such we may have

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Speaker 3: some biases here. We were just talking off air a

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Speaker 3: little bit about some of our respective backgrounds. I think

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Speaker 3: we got some we belows some former Cub Scouts in

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Speaker 3: the crowd. Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of losing track of the I guess

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Speaker 4: cub Scout. Is we below even still a thing? That is?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: Is that real?

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Speaker 4: I think I threw that term out because I remember

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's also a very memorable word, you know,

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Speaker 3: like when Jacovia was a thing. You know, that was

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Speaker 3: sneeze in a foreign language. And Matt, you were a

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Speaker 3: cub scout, you were saying for a time, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: For quite a while. I did a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: ah huh, second class, first class, star life, and eagle.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Well, where's we below fall into it? I'm sorry I

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Speaker 2: That's when you get down to like the cub Scouts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, scouts who or cub Scouts in fourth grade have

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Speaker 3: to get we blows like a rank get you get

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Speaker 3: And already we see the nomenclature and jaragon so farm

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Speaker 3: into cultic organizations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this culturally appropriative as well, very much so.

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Speaker 3: And we're going we're about to learn about some of

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Speaker 3: that history before we dive into tonight's unfortunate, completely true

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Speaker 3: and ongoing conspiracy. The second caveat tonight's episode contains depictions

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Speaker 3: and descriptions of abuse. As such, this may not be

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Speaker 3: suitable for all audiences. Here are the facts. The Boy

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Speaker 3: Scout movement is founded back in Great Britain Street named

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Speaker 3: named Robert Stephenson Smith Baden Powell. Baden Powell would later

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Speaker 3: become Lord Baden Powell. That's how he's known in Scouting

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Speaker 3: in their origin stories. He was a British Army officer

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Speaker 3: and author. In nineteen oh eight, inspired by a conversation

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Speaker 3: a handbook for instruction and good citizenship. I hold in

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Speaker 4: And for listeners out there, since you can't see, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's been through a lot, It's been in

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Speaker 3: many places. And this this guy Baden Powell beat me here, Paul,

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Speaker 3: He's kind of a piece of Check out the Behind

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Speaker 3: the Bastard's series on him from our good friend Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to go too much into Baden Powell's history,

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Speaker 3: illustrator author named Ernest Thompson Satan Seto n lest we

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Speaker 4: And you know, there were some skills, some outdoors y

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Speaker 2: I think self reliance, Yeah, I think so this organization

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And those fundamentals, those skills

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Speaker 3: remain valuable today and they can make a difference between

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite examples, one of My favorite examples,

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Speaker 3: Like exactly? And this woodcraft Indians thing, this movement that

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Speaker 3: exactly so this uh, this guy. He meets Baden Powell

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting component that I was not personally aware of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that logic makes sense for LBP. Baden Powell

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Speaker 2: Well. But it's also very strange because the US has

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Speaker 2: talking about, Ben, the preparation prior to either military service

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Speaker 3: is in some degrees due to accelerating economic inequality, which

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Speaker 2: Precisely, I think it's worth noting in many of the

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Speaker 2: in just a moment, who worked with the Boy Scouts

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Speaker 2: of America for quite a while, as you know, someone

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Speaker 2: trying to protect kids. He said, quote, Boy Scouts is

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Speaker 2: exceptional in the opportunities that it presents to perpetrators to

435
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Speaker 2: access children in no to very low supervised situations. That

436
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Speaker 2: was like the same point. I think a similar point.

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Speaker 2: It's because they're not other adults around, and you've got

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Speaker 2: where the boys are, right.

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Speaker 3: And predators seek opportunities, you know what I mean. Regardless

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Speaker 3: of what specific sort of animal they are, predators are

441
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: all opportunistic. That's how predation works. And this documentary we're

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Speaker 3: talking about Scouts Honor the Secret Files of the Boy

443
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Speaker 3: Scouts of America is available now. Watch it on Netflix,

444
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Speaker 3: maybe a couple of other platforms to r maybe sadly,

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Speaker 3: Like you said, Noel, it is difficult not to make

446
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: comparisons between this ongoing tragedy and the conspiracy of the

447
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Speaker 3: Catholic Church abuse scandals. The BSA had a history of

448
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: covering things up, even to the point of allowing knowing

449
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: sex offenders back into the organization. Just like the priest

450
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: getting relocated, they might change troops, they might move to

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Speaker 3: a different state, wait a few years, let the heat

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Speaker 3: die down. And this was very easy. This is a

453
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Speaker 3: very easy environment for these predators to operate in for

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Speaker 3: quite some time because this was well before the age

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Speaker 3: of the internet. You know what I mean. If you

456
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: wanted to research someone, you needed help from authorities, or

457
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: you needed a lot of time, you know, to dedicate

458
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: to physically going out hitting the bricks and doing some research.

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Speaker 3: The files that these reporters found date back to the

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Speaker 3: beginning of the Scout movement in England, well before the

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Speaker 3: organization reached American shores. And this is where we want

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Speaker 3: to pull another quote Patrick Boyle, the lead journalists for

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Speaker 3: the Time's investigation put it this way.

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Speaker 4: Soon after the Scouts were found that in England in

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Speaker 4: nineteen oh eight, the Scouts there realized they had a

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Speaker 4: problem because scouting has always attracted men who were attracted

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Speaker 4: to boys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, according to that documentary, the first doctor that was

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Speaker 2: present on the first Boy Scout camping trip, the first

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Speaker 2: official one, had to be removed from the organization because

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Speaker 2: of his interest in the boys.

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Speaker 3: That was inappropriate, And of course Baden Powell himself turns

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Speaker 3: out some of his high faluting statements may have also

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Speaker 3: been a cover for unclean interest and things. We know,

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Speaker 3: this youth protection plan did not seem to work. Prior

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Speaker 3: to nineteen ninety four, there were an estimated two thousand

477
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Speaker 3: separate reported incidents of abuse. And if you have ever

478
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Speaker 3: had the misfortune of being familiar with abusive situations in institutions,

479
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Speaker 3: you know that this unfortunately means that many, many, many

480
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Speaker 3: other cases likely went unreported or got reported and were squashed.

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Speaker 3: And this problem, this genre of conspiracy, aiding and abetting predators,

482
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Speaker 3: it's unfortunately not uncommon in youth organizations. Yet, even admitting

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Speaker 3: that problem, the Boy Scouts of America set several historical

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Speaker 3: records in terms of legal proceedings.

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Speaker 4: So from nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety one, the

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Speaker 4: Boy Scouts of America and local councils agreed to pay

487
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Speaker 4: more than fifteen million dollars in damages, and according to

488
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Speaker 4: this investigation from Washington Times, the actual payment is likely

489
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Speaker 4: a whole lot more. And that's because the BSA sometimes

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Speaker 4: agreed to pay individual damages only if the payments were

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Speaker 4: kept under wraps, which doesn't Is that a thing you

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Speaker 4: can do?

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Speaker 3: I guess it is. It's kind of common. And these

494
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Speaker 3: sort of settlements of confidentiality, guess would be required by insurers. Wow,

495
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Speaker 3: it happens in It happens in companies as well. Outside

496
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Speaker 3: of child abuse. They might say they had.

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Speaker 4: Meant no wrongdoing, right like they pay they had been

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Speaker 4: no wrongdoing, and there's a gag order essentially.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course exactly. And continuing on, in twenty ten,

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Speaker 3: and jury ordered the BSA to pay eighteen point five

501
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: million dollars to a former Scout who was abused in

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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties. This was the largest punitive damages award

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Speaker 3: to a single person in a child abuse case in

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Speaker 3: the entirety of US history up to that point.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about a little bit about how in the

506
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: heck does an individual who ends up abusing a kid

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Speaker 2: that gets involved, they get to the Boy Scouts of

508
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Speaker 2: America involved in a lawsuit like that, what happens to

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00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: that individual person? Like generally there are going to be

510
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: criminal charges against somebody if it actually goes that far right, that.

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Speaker 3: Would be That would be more the case now, But

512
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: previously there was a statute of limitations in term for

513
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Speaker 3: abuse cases as well as for sexual assault cases, and

514
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: changing those laws has been a tremendous benefit to survivors,

515
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Speaker 3: and I would argue to American society as a whole,

516
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Speaker 3: But it still doesn't fix things. And these are just

517
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Speaker 3: a few data points. It would be an entire series

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Speaker 3: beyond even what the Washington Times did to name every

519
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: single case here. There are countless other incidents. And we're

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00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: not being hyperbolic. We say countless, we mean you cannot

521
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Speaker 3: count them literally, because a lot of these went unreported

522
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: or they were reported and then covered up by local authorities,

523
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: many of whom were in some way affiliated with scouting.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, you're the police chief, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: the scout master. Heck, he's you know, he's a Scout

526
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Speaker 3: master on the weekend. He works for you during the

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Speaker 3: week Oh, you're.

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Speaker 4: In like the Elks club together or something, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean, especially in these smaller commune unities, there would

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00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: be some real cross pollination.

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Speaker 3: You know, with absolutely these types of folks. Power structures

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00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: can be ven diagrams, especially in small towns. And so

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Speaker 3: the question then becomes similar to the question posed about

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Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. How did this happen? How did such

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Speaker 3: a large, enormous organization with such a storied history go

536
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Speaker 3: so far off the rails into the realm of the

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00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: evil and the unclean. I mean, think about it. Politicians, senators, congress,

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Speaker 3: folk athletes, astronauts. Some of the most prominent members of

539
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: American society and indeed global society grew up in the

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Speaker 3: Boy Scouts. Congress has had official authority over the organization

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Speaker 3: since nineteen sixteen, when the Boy Scouts got congressionally chartered,

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Speaker 3: so the most powerful people in the nation ostensibly were

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00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: able to keep an eye on it. Yet Congress never

544
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 3: investigated thousands and thousands of claims. That's that's just the

545
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: ones who made it to the attention of Congress. Local

546
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: municipalities never investigated far, far more claims. You know what,

547
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 3: it's similar to, it's got true Detective Season one vibes right,

548
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: We're not saying murder, but we are saying horrific abuse.

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00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: And you know, to your point, old people who are

550
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 3: who all know each other, who hang out in the

551
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: same back rooms, say we don't want to make this

552
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 3: a problem. It's not necessarily. The sense you can get

553
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 3: from looking at all the research that has come out

554
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: is less that the Boy Scouts were, you know, steepling

555
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: their fingers and saying, yes, let's ruin the lives of children.

556
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: And it was more like they were saying, we've got

557
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: a brand, We've got a brand that is profitable, and

558
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: we need to protect that brand, so let's airbrush some

559
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: of the inconvenient history. And it seems they miscalculated just

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Speaker 3: how much of that evil history they're Zessimov bass, I

561
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 3: don't want to overdramatize this.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's possible. Frankly, I think the

563
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: drama of the reality of it is bigger than anything

564
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Speaker 4: one's imagination could conjure.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man, I mean we should also really think again.

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Speaker 3: The folks at the Washington Times and Michael Johnson who

567
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, Matt for speaking out. This guy wrote

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Speaker 3: a letter in twenty twenty one who he was the

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Speaker 3: leader of the organization that was supposed to investigate and

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Speaker 3: prevent this stuff. And in twenty twenty one he writes

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00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: directly to Congress and he says, the Scouts are unsafe

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Speaker 3: for children, Please please do something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's literally the guy that's supposed to write the rules.

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Speaker 2: He was hired as a Plano Texas officer who specifically

575
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Speaker 2: specialized in child sex abuse, and they, the Boy Scouts America,

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Speaker 2: brought him in to basically run their youth protection program

577
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: to hone this whole thing, and they kind of held

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: him back the whole time, and they said, hey, we

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Speaker 2: don't have any kind of, you know, guidelines for how

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00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: to protect youth or anything like that. Only for him

581
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: then to find out that some Boy Scouts of America

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00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: person did help create the official national youth protection guidelines

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Speaker 2: like for the for the United States government. And found

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Speaker 2: out that the person who was part of the Boy

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Speaker 2: Scouts who was officially cited on that document was his

586
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: boss who told him they don't have any kind of

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00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: youth protection document. But then his boss goes on to

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00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: tell him, oh, no, well they put my name on

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Speaker 2: it because the actual guy who helped write it from

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Speaker 2: the Boy Scouts of America, he got picked up on

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00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: child sexual abuse materials, right that stuff, and his name

592
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: was Douglas Smith and he ended up going to prison

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00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: for child sexual abuse material And there's an article you

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00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 2: can read. Here's the title. You can look it up.

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: Boy Scouts executive surrenders in Fort Worth on a child

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: pornography charge.

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00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: And Michael Johnson was serving. He was not a spring

598
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: chicken at this He had been serving as the youth

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00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 3: protection director for a decade, right, and he was begging

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Speaker 3: Congress to act. Congress left this on red and the

601
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: more people investigated, the more unclean things they found Scout records.

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00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: This came out in a court case where an abuse

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00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: survivor his lawyers were able to have the courts compel

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00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: the Boy Scouts to share records that had not made

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00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: it to the public previously. And as people were looking

606
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: into these records, they discovered something called alternatively it's been

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00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: called the red Flag files, the confidential files, the later

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00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: it was called the Ineligible Volunteer Files. Had very disturbing

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: details on hundreds of Scout leaders banned from the organization

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00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: and sometimes let back in banned for sexual misconduct from

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy five through nineteen eighty four, and then another

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00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 3: list came out from the BSA with more than three

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00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty adult males banned for sexual misconduct from

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one to nineteen eighty six. They're called the

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Speaker 3: Secret Files. To be fully transparent here, I want to

616
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: thank the LA Times. They have compiled a searchable database

617
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: which is available online for free. You can look state

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00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: by state, city by city, often but not always, troop

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Speaker 3: by troop. You will see that the names of the

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00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 3: perpetrators are not always present. Sometimes it's like person number blah.

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Speaker 3: And you know, the scary thing about it is if

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Speaker 3: you were in Scouts and you were not, you were

623
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: not subjected to this abuse, You're probably going to be

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00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 3: surprised and chilled by the fact that this database will

625
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: likely show a Scout troop near where you grew up

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00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 3: where something like this happened.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that widespread. And what's the word foundational? Almost well,

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00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: it was the word like when something was like yeah,

629
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Speaker 4: well yeah, but even more so almost like it's oh god,

630
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 4: it's this culture, this climb, you know what I mean.

631
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 4: It's like something that's ubiquitous and within the organization itself,

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00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: like at the very root of it.

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00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: It's wild and it's mission critical to note this organization

634
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: went to pretty extreme lengths to prevent parent law enforcement,

635
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: literally any other outside authority from seeing these files. They

636
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: were under lock and key in the national headquarters because

637
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: they were bad for business. And that leads us to

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00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 3: another disturbing wrinkle of this conspiracy. I propose we pause

639
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 3: for a word from our sponsor and return to dive deeper.

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00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 3: And we have returned, this culture of secrecy and abuse

641
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: becomes increasingly disturbing. We realize something that I, like I,

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00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: as an Eagle Scout, was not aware of. For quite

643
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: some time, the Boy Scouts of America actively lobbied against

644
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Speaker 3: child sexual abuse laws. A youth organization opposed laws protecting children.

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Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, even the House of Representatives wrote in

646
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: to the Boy Scouts of Americans said why are you

647
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: against this?

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Speaker 2: What were they lobbying against?

649
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: They were opposed to mandated reporting requirements, a detailed account

650
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 3: of safety procedures and reporting mechanisms that they have in place,

651
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: I'm quoting the letter here from Jackie Spear, and this

652
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: was since in twenty eighteen. You can read the letter

653
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: in full. They were basically opposed to Congress looking for

654
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: what they call a look back window, a short period

655
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: of time where victims of child abuse can file suit

656
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: despite a state statute of limitations.

657
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

658
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: So they were anti reporting requirements and anti extension of

659
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 3: statute of limitations.

660
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: And so essentially the Scouts are attempting to or at

661
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: least it's the allegation years of the Scouts are attempting

662
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: to shield like as an org organization individual abusers. And

663
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: you have to wonder why would they do that, And

664
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: it's probably a pr thing, right the Boy Scouts doesn't

665
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: want anybody to think about it as an organization as

666
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 2: the iconography that is the Boy Scouts as child sexual abusers.

667
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: Right right, there's this idea of protecting the business of

668
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: the brand. And you know, it's for a pained, cliche analogy.

669
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: It's like, imagine there's a fox in Congress that is

670
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: fighting hen House legislation, you know what I mean, like

671
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: a fact saying well, this rule about fences around chicken

672
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: chicken huts is Unamerican when you think about it, that's

673
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: like that ulterior that ulterior motive is damning. And we

674
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: have a quote from Michael Serbock, who was the Scout's

675
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: chief executive at the time, and he said, quote, at

676
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: new time in our history we ever knowingly allowed a

677
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: sexual predator to work with youth. It turned out to

678
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: be entirely not the case. It would have been more

679
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: accurate to say, at pretty much every time in our

680
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: history we have knowingly allowed sexual predators to work with youth.

681
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 4: So, you know, this kind of hushing up of the

682
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: whole thing, this inner generational silencing of these abuse victims.

683
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you're right, Ben, the true detective analogy. Well,

684
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 4: it's not murder per se. It is murder of innocence.

685
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 4: It is murder of trust, you know, and it is

686
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 4: essentially what amounts to a child abuse ring, you know.

687
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: And when with this finally coming out, it impacted the organization,

688
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: the Boy Scouts of America significantly, and they actually filed

689
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: It took a while. It took a long time for

690
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 4: it to really hit home. Nearly a decade. In twenty twenty,

691
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: the BSA finally filed for bankruptcy likely you know, because

692
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: of a lot of these hush hush, you know settlements, right.

693
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Speaker 3: And they were looking at two hundred plus pending lawsuits

694
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: at that time in the federal and district courts of

695
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: the US, with almost two thousand claimants involved in those already.

696
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 3: And then May of that same year you mentioned the

697
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: US Bankruptcy Court in Delaware because you know, where are

698
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 3: you going to headquarter as a company if you're shady.

699
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 4: We're in Delaware.

700
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: We're in Delaware. They set they set a deadline in

701
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 3: this settlement, and they said you have until you if

702
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: you are a survivor of this abuse, the system of abuse,

703
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: then you have till November sixteenth, twenty twenty to file

704
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: your claim. And all told, more than ninety two thousand

705
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 3: separate claims were filed with the bankruptcy court by that deadline.

706
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: This breaks another record for the BSA. It's the single

707
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 3: largest instance of child sexual abuse claims in a single

708
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: organization in United States history. And we know that might

709
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: sound crazy because you always hear about the Catholic church scandals,

710
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: right the Scout, the boy Scout tragedy and scandal eclipsed that.

711
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: The BSA published an open letter ostensibly encouraging victims of

712
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: abuse to step forward. The bankruptcy settlement continues today, and

713
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: you know, we can say thankfully, at least the conspiracy

714
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 3: is unraveling, but the story is not over, you know,

715
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 3: and for people who survive this abuse, it will never

716
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 3: It'll never really be over. And Matt, I want to

717
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: go back to a point that you had made earlier.

718
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: What were the consequences for these predators? Many of them

719
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 3: now have died. They were al at the time they

720
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 3: were abusing children. They have aged, they became elderly, infirm,

721
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: they passed away, quite possibly continuing to be career predators

722
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 3: throughout the rest of their life and quite possibly never

723
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: seen justice for the consequences of their actions.

724
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely. Oh. If you watch that The Scout's Owner

725
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: documentary on Netflix, you can see a couple examples of

726
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: people who were brought to justice, but people who were

727
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: brought to justice after five, eight, ten years of getting

728
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: away with abusing kids through the organization, because the opportunities

729
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: that were there just quickly. Just to give an example,

730
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: this guy named Thomas J. Hacker who was in Illinois.

731
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: He was a Scout master and he was a deacon

732
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: at his church and in February of nineteen eighty eight,

733
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: he was arrested. He was charge of five counts of

734
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: aggravated criminal sexual assas. Again these are at the time,

735
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: it's against miners kids. He received over one hundred years

736
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: in prison for what he had done, but he had

737
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: molested hundreds of boys over eight years. And when he

738
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: got caught, when he was interviewed in prison, they said,

739
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: why did you choose the Scouts to do this? And

740
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: his quote is literally quote they made it so easy, unquote,

741
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: that is what he said. And just knowing that, like,

742
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: who knows how many people are out there? Who knows

743
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: how many people, even if they're involved in a lawsuit

744
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: right like this, aren't actually going to see justice because

745
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: they're they're gonna there's gonna be some kind of settlement

746
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: at some point, and they signed some agreement like you

747
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: were talking about, Ben where everybody walks away, nobody did

748
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: anything wrong, but here's some money.

749
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: I don't think that should be allowed. No, that seems

750
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: crooked to me. That's just like a failing of the

751
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 4: legal system, where like, you know, money is more important than.

752
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: Justice, But those are also out of court settlements pretty often, you.

753
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: Know, I get it. And I guess it's up to

754
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: the victims to decide whether this restitution is worth you know,

755
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: is to them a form of justice, But it just

756
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 4: doesn't feel like that to me, you know, I mean,

757
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 4: I don't know.

758
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about over the years, like why somebody

759
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't get called out for abusing right that the power

760
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: dynamic that we've talked about so often on this show

761
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: that exists between somebody who's functioning as a Scout leader

762
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: in let's say, a deacon at their church, and then

763
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: when a child is accusing this person who is to

764
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: everybody else a leader in their organ in their community.

765
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 4: Dude, I think I think what I'm trying to I'm

766
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: not articulating well enough what I'm trying to say about settlements.

767
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 4: To me, the problem here is these settlements and the

768
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 4: hushing up of all of this legally, I guess is

769
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 4: a pattern. And you're thinking that happened enough times it

770
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: could be like, I think we're doing a disservice to

771
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: future potential victims.

772
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: You know.

773
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean when I think when I

774
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: say I shouldn't be allowed and this type of it's just.

775
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: God dang, one would think, Yeah, and we'll provide resources

776
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 3: toward the end of the show here tonight. In December

777
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one, the BSA and their insurer, the

778
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: BSA Insurance Reserve, agreed to pay eight hundred million dollars

779
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: into a survivor fund created to give settlements and financial

780
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: compensation and hopefully closure to survivors. The very next year,

781
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, the BSA up to the price,

782
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: agreeing to pay two point four billion dollars into the

783
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 3: same fund, with payments set to roll out in September

784
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three this year. As we record this,

785
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: the total estimated settlement piers round out to about two

786
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: point four to six billion dollars. Eighty six percent of

787
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: the survivors in the claims approved of this, and just

788
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: last month payouts began. Reuter's has a good summation of it.

789
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: The initial payments were sent to seven thousand claimants who

790
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: this kind of bothers me, who chose something called the

791
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: quick pay option under the BSA bankruptcy Plan. These seven

792
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: thousand folks who chose the quick pay option receive three thousand,

793
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars without going through the lengthier evaluation process.

794
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: That awaits the majority of people who filed claims. So

795
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: you heard that, right, folks, Three thousand, five hundred dollars,

796
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 3: That is the price put on the.

797
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 4: Trauma doesn't seem like quite enough?

798
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: What is? What is? There's a exactly there's a retired

799
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: bankruptcy judge named Barbara Hauser, and she and her team

800
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: are in charge of this process. They say the entire

801
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 3: settlement process is going to take years at lee. Individual

802
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: abuse survivors are expected to receive between three thy five

803
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: hundred dollars to two point seven million dollars, depending on

804
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: how their claims are assessed. And not everyone is happy

805
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: with this plan. To be clear, there are two separate

806
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: groups that raised a pretty salience point. They appealed the

807
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 3: settlement and they said, look, this prevents churches and organizations

808
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 3: that sponsored scouting programs but have not themselves filed for

809
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: bankruptcy from being held accountable for some of this. You know,

810
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: like a lot of if you've ever been in Boy Scouts,

811
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 3: you know a lot of the troops meet it community centers,

812
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 3: they meet in churches, things like that. Right, So, these

813
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: groups who are objecting to the settlement are saying they

814
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: feel that some of these affiliated organizations who may have

815
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: aided and embedded the conspiracy and abuse are getting off

816
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: the hook because the bankruptcy settlement says you're going to

817
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: release any claims against alleged partially responsible organizations or organizations

818
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: that contributed to the Boy Scouts are contributed to the settlement.

819
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: And sadly, there are a lot of places that appear

820
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: to have turned a blind eye over the years. It

821
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 3: does seem that the stuff they don't want you to

822
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: know about the Boy Scouts continues in the modern day.

823
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: And you know, I think it's also not to sound

824
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: not to sound deferential, but I think it's also important

825
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: for us to know what we said at the beginning.

826
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: The heartbreaking thing about this is organizations like this, when

827
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 3: done correctly, they can really help kids. You know, I

828
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 3: owe a lot of formative experiences and a couple of

829
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 3: survival situations, if we're being honest, I owe it to

830
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: time spent in the Boy Scouts at similar organizations.

831
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 4: Dude, I was just in Cub Scouts for like a

832
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: year or so, and I made a lifelong friend that

833
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: I still am very close with to this day. And

834
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 4: it was also the first time I've ever been to

835
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 4: the Cracker Barrel. I remember that distinctly. I think that

836
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,280
Speaker 4: was very much a popular boy Scout spot during camping

837
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 4: trips when you wanted to get away from the nature

838
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 4: of it all. But yeah, I think we started off

839
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 4: it was important the way we started off, talking about

840
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: how inherently a lot of these things are a good idea.

841
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: But then there is that in citio is kind of weird,

842
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 4: creepy language that you don't even notice right up front

843
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 4: the whole, you know, kind of submissive aspect, you.

844
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, Hey, do you guys remember Boys Life or

845
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: I think a Scouts Life or Scout Life something like that.

846
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Just the magazines Boy Scouts in America would put out

847
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: all kinds of different publications. Some of them were, you know,

848
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: more official than others. Some of them were more local.

849
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: But there were official publications back in the day that

850
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: would call people out for having inappropriate contact. In the documentary,

851
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 2: there's one where you can read an article from a

852
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties boy Scouting magazine that says the title is

853
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 2: red Flag this Man, and it goes on to describe, Hey,

854
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: here's this person who was a volunteer on this scouting trip.

855
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: Do not allow this person on your scouting trips. You know,

856
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: it feels at least back back for a time, there

857
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: was internal reporting before this organization became so huge and

858
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: such a powerful, moneied organization.

859
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: And that was Yeah. Do watch the documentary, folks. That

860
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 3: was a scouting magazine, I think nineteen twenty three, and

861
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: the part you see in the documentary about this, it

862
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: gives you a knowledge of the extent of the problem.

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Speaker 3: Because the lead journalist for the Washington Times is reading

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Speaker 3: that article for the first time on air, he was, yeah, familiar,

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Speaker 3: there's so much out there.

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Speaker 2: He finds it while going down the rabbit hole, just

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Speaker 2: of realizing that those ineligible volunteer files slash, confidential files

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Speaker 2: slash you know, the bad, the horrible thing, the red

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Speaker 2: flag list. It's just it's astounding to me and its heartbreaking, honestly,

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Speaker 2: because it does it. It destroys something that I hold

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Speaker 2: as fundamental to who I think I.

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Speaker 3: Am, and many people can say can say the same. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: we want to end on a couple of important points.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have established that these organizations, or the

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Speaker 3: skills learned in these organizations, the moral philosophies learned in

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Speaker 3: these organizations, can be tremendously formative and helpful. We also

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Speaker 3: must know abuse of children can occur in any organization,

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Speaker 3: and conspiracies to cover this up continue in many similar

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Speaker 3: institutions in the modern day. Of course, not every adult

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Speaker 3: volunteer is a villain or a predator. The world would

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Speaker 3: fundamentally not be able to work if that were the case.

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Speaker 3: And if you or someone you know needs help, please

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Speaker 3: remember this is perhaps the most important part of this episode.

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Speaker 3: You are not alone. There are resources available. You can

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Speaker 3: call or text in the United States one eight hundred

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Speaker 3: number four a child. That's one eight hundred four two

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Speaker 3: two four four five three. Again, that's one eight hundred

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Speaker 3: four two two four four five three. You can also

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Speaker 3: visit Childwelfare dot gov for more information. Thank you, as

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