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Speaker 1: We're in the off season and it's time for free agency. Mitch.

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Speaker 1: I know you're excited about your Detroit Lions, but there's

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Speaker 2: This is some of my favorite time of the year,

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Speaker 2: start out in San Francisco, though, because we're seeing it

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Speaker 2: Let's start at it from Washington's perspective. A team that's

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It's a great move

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Speaker 1: They have a ton of cap space. We're always talking

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Speaker 1: You know, you could see Debo world a cool message

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Speaker 1: I think this is something both sides needed, just a

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Speaker 1: And I think I'm really happy for him and for

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Speaker 2: You gotta love it. From Devo's perspective, I mean, to

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Speaker 2: be able to partner up with Jaden Daniels, this is

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Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel inserted in that offense. I mean, what are

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it definitely puts them in a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys. They always seem to

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Speaker 2: of late and now the got big name to be

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Speaker 1: How disrespectful is this?

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Speaker 2: Do you think to pay Osa first before Micah Parsons?

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Speaker 1: Well, he has incredible instincts, just football instincts that things

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Speaker 1: history of the National Football League. Not only did he

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Speaker 1: have a great season, he had one of the best seasons.

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Speaker 1: He had the Triple Crown season. And now you have

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Speaker 1: to pay him post Triple Crown like you could have

436
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Speaker 1: just paid him straight up. Now you got to pay

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Speaker 1: him post triple Crown, and so he can name his price.

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Speaker 1: And now you've given him even more leverage by putting

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Speaker 1: a franchise tag on T Higgins and not him, because

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Speaker 1: now he knows he's not gonna get tagged, and so

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Speaker 1: he can challenge every bit of this and push you

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Speaker 1: to the limit. And I think that's gonna be the

443
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Speaker 1: hard part now, is because I don't think they ever

444
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Speaker 1: anticipated playing top receiver money to either one of them,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to really pay it to T

446
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Speaker 1: Higgins in a big way. I would five years one

447
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 1: eighty something around there, Mitchell, that's probably where he's gonna

448
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Speaker 1: be close to five years one eighty if not more,

449
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to pay it. Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: have to watch him walk? And that would be one

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Speaker 1: of the craziest things in the history if if Jamar

452
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Speaker 1: Chase ever hit free agency, that would be one of

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Speaker 1: the crazy that would be up there with Luca Donsons

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Speaker 1: getting traded to the Lakers, even though I love that

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Speaker 1: move more than anything.

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Speaker 2: I know you do, well, I mean, we saw something

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Speaker 2: similar happen in San Francisco right, they went out and

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Speaker 2: paid Debo, and then they got the situation that they

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Speaker 2: were in last offseason with Brandon ahu Can ultimately had

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Speaker 2: to pay him too, And now we see how that

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Speaker 2: situation shakes out a year later. I just don't know

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Speaker 2: if there's a way to please both parties here. We'll

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Speaker 2: see how the Bengals handled this situation, because certainly they

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Speaker 2: were one of the hottest teams towards the end of

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Speaker 2: last season. It was too little, too late, you know,

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Speaker 2: ultimately for the the whle they dug themselves in early

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Speaker 2: in the season. But this team, with Joe Burrow in

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Speaker 2: his prime, if you get those two receivers paired up

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Speaker 2: and happy with him, the sky's the limit for this franchise.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully that they get this squared away soon. Let's

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Speaker 2: go back to the Colorado Buffs. We got to talk

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Speaker 2: a little bit about Shador Sanders. He was at the combine.

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Speaker 2: Didn't really work out, but was there, and we saw,

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Speaker 2: you know, some of the feedback coming in from these

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Speaker 2: anonymous QB coaches saying that Shadoor Sanders was arrogant, in brash,

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Speaker 2: you know. Shador responded, how do you know? I mean

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Speaker 2: what do you make of this? Does it matter if

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Speaker 2: he's arrogant and brash? It seems like prooson the pudding

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Speaker 2: with him. He helped turn Colorado around and Jackson State around.

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Speaker 2: You know what's your thoughts on this Shador Sanders situation.

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Speaker 1: It matters, It matters, But it matters because you're talking

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Speaker 1: about personality traits. You're talking about a guy who's going

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Speaker 1: to lead a franch But it's not bad. It's not

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Speaker 1: always bad. I'm sure there are people that think Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow comes off that way. There are probably people that

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Speaker 1: have met Patrick Mahomes that maybe think he comes off

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Speaker 1: that way. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson because he's super humble, like down to earth

489
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Speaker 1: the guy. But there are quarterbacks in this league that

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Speaker 1: come off that way. I mean, how if they talked

491
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Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers for the past decade or two, like,

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Speaker 1: if he can play the game, it doesn't matter. But

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Speaker 1: if you can't put your name behind it, shut up.

494
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Speaker 1: Like if you can't put your name behind talking about

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Speaker 1: somebody else's name, then you probably shouldn't be saying what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Like I can sit here and put my

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Speaker 1: name face in reputation on what I say, because it

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Speaker 1: is what it is. You know, if you agree, you

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Speaker 1: would agree. If you don't, you don't. You know, I

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Speaker 1: believe what I'm saying is true, and if I'm proven wrong,

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Speaker 1: I can accept. Hey, I was wrong about that, but

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Speaker 1: I thought that at the time, and thank goodness, somebody

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Speaker 1: was able to show me better or show me wiser.

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Speaker 1: But I don't appreciate guys trying to slander guys and

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Speaker 1: trying to put paint guys in a negative light to

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Speaker 1: try to affect their livelihood, Like I'm not about that

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Speaker 1: coming off arrogant, brash. What does it benefit you to

508
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Speaker 1: say that? And that would be my question, like what

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Speaker 1: benefit do you receive by saying this? You feel like,

510
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Speaker 1: oh man, yeah, let me get this out there for

511
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Speaker 1: everybody so that you know they can know this kid

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Speaker 1: is is who he truly is, Like, why aren't you

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Speaker 1: telling me how any other quarterback interview? Why why am

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Speaker 1: I not hearing what Jackson Dart's personality is? Why why

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Speaker 1: am I not hearing what what what cam Wart's personality

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Speaker 1: is in the room? You know what? Like, why are

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Speaker 1: they so energized to talk negatively about your door, is

518
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Speaker 1: my question. And and and not even talk anyway about

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Speaker 1: the other guys, Like I don't hear any any anybody

520
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Speaker 1: there's other top quarterbacks being picked in this raft, and

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Speaker 1: I don't hear anybody talking about, oh man, this guy's

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Speaker 1: this a right, this guy coming off bland or are

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Speaker 1: not the smartest, Like it seems like they want to

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Speaker 1: tear down who they want to tear down. They want

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Speaker 1: to build up who they want build up. But if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna tear a kid down, stand on it, like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm the quarterbacks coach for the for the uh

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Speaker 1: the La Las Vegas Raiders. And I think shad Or

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Speaker 1: Sanders is little arrogant. I think he's little. But you can't.

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Speaker 1: But you can't because you know what you're saying is

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Speaker 1: gonna be controversial, It's gonna be talked about everywhere. Not

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Speaker 1: everybody's gonna agree, not everybody's gonna disagree. And so when

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Speaker 1: you do that and you don't put your name on it,

534
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Speaker 1: you're like, hey, hey, I'm out of it. I'm just

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Speaker 1: doing I'm just doing a uh, I'm just doing a

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Speaker 1: spark into the fire. I'm just throwing throwing nonsense out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be attached to it. I don't

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Speaker 1: want you guys to come for me like no, bro, no, no.

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Speaker 1: If he's arrogant and brass saying say say it with

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Speaker 1: all your jests and put your name behind it, and

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Speaker 1: then I could believe it, then I'll trust it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the NFL combine a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: This is the time of the season where everyone's together.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of smoke screens going on, and maybe

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Speaker 2: that take is a smoke screen. Maybe someone wants Shador

546
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Speaker 2: Sandals to fall to them. Who do you like most

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Speaker 2: as a fit for Is it the Giants? Do you

548
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Speaker 2: like the Raiders? Where do you see him having the

549
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Speaker 2: most early success and being the best fit?

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Speaker 1: H If I was him, I would want to go

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Speaker 1: to the Jets. That's a lot want to go to Jets.

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Speaker 1: I think they have the weapons in place. They have

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Speaker 1: a good running back in Breese Hall. They have Garrett Wilson.

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Speaker 1: It looks like they're trying to get rid of Davante,

555
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Speaker 1: but I think they'll draft another receiver. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's a place with a good running game. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you fix that offensive line. Some they have talented

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Speaker 1: pieces on the defense. It's not the craziest division in

559
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Speaker 1: the world to come into and potentially upset some teams

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Speaker 1: and find a way to sneak into the playoffs. I

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Speaker 1: think the Jets, that the Jets would be a great

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Speaker 1: fit for him to have early success. If he's not ready,

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Speaker 1: you know, you lean on that run game, Breis Hall

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Speaker 1: and the rest of them, and you try to build

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Speaker 1: him as he gets better, as he feels more comfortable

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Speaker 1: out there, you give him a little bit more. But

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Speaker 1: I think that would be the best bit for.

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Speaker 2: Him at this combine. And Richard, you know what all

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Speaker 2: too well. You guys are under the microscope. But if

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Speaker 2: you're a GM or a scout, how much weight are

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Speaker 2: you really putting on the combine these measurables? How fast

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Speaker 2: these guys are running, how much weight they're putting up

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Speaker 2: on the bench press. You know, between the combine and

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Speaker 2: pro days, we've seen a ton of people elevate their

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Speaker 2: draft stock or lose their draft stock. But if you

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Speaker 2: are a GM, how much emphasis truly would you be

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Speaker 2: looking at these combine results.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, if it's out of one hundred percent, and

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Speaker 1: we're saying certain percentages, tape, certain percentages his background information

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Speaker 1: and personality and you know, any red flags on that side,

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Speaker 1: I'd say Combine is probably fifteen percent. I'd give it

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Speaker 1: no more than that because, like how many guys have

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Speaker 1: elevated their crazy stock at the combine the fastest guys

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Speaker 1: in the history of our game. There's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of All Pros between them, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: on the All Pro on the list of fastest guys

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Speaker 1: in combine history, Like, there's not a ton of All

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Speaker 1: Pros and Pro Bowlers between them. You know. I think

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Speaker 1: Chris Johnson got a couple. You know, Xavier Worthy looks

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Speaker 1: looks like a solid character. Reek Tarreek Wooling I got

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00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl in his rookie year. But it's it's

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Speaker 1: very few times that you find these guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like all the Combine measurables and

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Speaker 1: all the the RAS scores are gonna lead to great

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Speaker 1: football player. There, Guys, if you go through some of

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Speaker 1: the greatest players, if you went to the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame list and then went to the RIES scores or

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Speaker 1: the Combine numbers, it's probably not gonna be the most

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Speaker 1: impressive numbers you'd have. You know, they talk about the

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Speaker 1: greatest receiver all time and Jerry Rice running the four

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Speaker 1: six like you're not gonna find him the crazy combine, now, Jerry,

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Speaker 1: I mean, now, Randy Moss's numbers are at a little freakish,

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Speaker 1: you know. I think t O's numbers are pretty pretty,

604
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: pretty great. But everybody's numbers aren't gonna measure that that great.

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Speaker 1: And so you have to look at the tape and

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Speaker 1: see the football player and how they maneuver in situations,

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Speaker 1: how they maneuver when when things are going bad, when

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Speaker 1: things are going good, how they practice. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: more that goes into it. So this has got to

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Speaker 1: be a small If I'm a head coach, this is

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Speaker 1: a small part of it.

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Speaker 2: You look at some of the stories, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's rewind a couple drafts ago, the Trayvon Walker Aiden

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Speaker 2: Hutchinson draft. I mean, Aiden Hutchinson from a production standpoint

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Speaker 2: at a U of M was probably the best football

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Speaker 2: player in that draft, but Trayvon Walker went first because

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Speaker 2: of measurables. Aiden Hutchinson has shorter arms and we've seen

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Speaker 2: how that has played off. Aiden Hutchinson, barring that injury,

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Speaker 2: was certainly the defensive player of year can at last year,

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Speaker 2: and we see it now again. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: know the guy's game game at all, but Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 2: has elevated a toime.

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Speaker 1: He's a riser.

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Speaker 2: He had one of the best combines at a defensive

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00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: end ed rusher in this draft. But then you look

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00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: at his production at Texas A and M and you

627
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: see two sacks a season. It makes you wonder how

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00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: much these guys are thinking. Also, you see Will Campbell

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Speaker 2: from LSU, the number one offensive tackle candidate. They're saying

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Speaker 2: his arms are in the six percentile of length, and

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Speaker 2: now he's being encouraged to move the intier offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Like It's just wild.

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Speaker 2: It's wild to me to think that an offensive lineman

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00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: who's had so much success at LSU, and it's only

635
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: done things the way he knows how to do it,

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00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: the way his body allows to do it, is being

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Speaker 2: told he can't play offensive tackle because of his arm length.

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00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: Now any thought on that rich, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's almost like they're you know,

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Speaker 1: when they say a long corner couldn't play in the

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00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 1: league when I was coming up, let him play it

642
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: and see, you know what I mean, it's a reason

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Speaker 1: he's had so much success. And I think they use

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Speaker 1: these measurables and these these boxes to put people where

645
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Speaker 1: they're like, hey, majority of the guys who were this

646
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: size in hand size and arm length, the wingspan have

647
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: had success and the guys who haven't have these issues.

648
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: But each human beings different, and that's how you gotta

649
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: treat it. You gotta treat everybody different. Now you can,

650
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: you can use comps and all that, but like, I

651
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: hate the combine for a number of reasons and I

652
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: would never do it again. But I hate it more

653
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: because they they try to bs on my stuff all

654
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: the time, Like I ran a four or five to

655
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: one and a four or five four, and now you

656
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: look on the website and they put four to six.

657
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, what did I When did I ever run

658
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: a four to six? Yead like literally and every bit

659
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: of my combine I ran four and four or five four.

660
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Now to tell the story, I guess they're like Richard

661
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Sherman ran a four to six. I said, day, Like,

662
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm okay, I was four five one and

663
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: four or five four if you want to give me

664
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: my slow time, But you don't got to make stuff up.

665
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I think I think the combine is a sham and

666
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: it's just something to fill the off season.

667
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Well an another add a little more fuel to or fire.

668
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: Rich I mean, when you were coming out, your size

669
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: six foot three, two hundred pounds or whatever you were

670
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: weighing back then was viewed as a negative traite for you, right,

671
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: it didn't fit for the position as defensive back.

672
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: But I want to read something to you.

673
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: For one of the combine risers, Darien Porter out of

674
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: Iowa State, six foot three, one hundred and ninety five

675
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: pounds with thirty three and an eighth inch arms, quote unquote,

676
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: he already boasts ideal size for the position. How times

677
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: have changed, my friend?

678
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my god. I remember hearing them say,

679
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: you guys every year they do the whole like forty

680
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: forty forty yard dash comparison, and oh, this guy, these

681
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: guys are so much faster than Richard Sherman, Like, oh,

682
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: they're gonna be better than him. Like I'm gonna let

683
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: you know something. I've played a lot of football in

684
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: my time, eleven years worth, and I've ran again's, four threes,

685
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: four two's. I don't think any of those guys ever

686
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: gave the issues. I've caught a lot of interceptions on him.

687
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: I gave a few touchdowns to them. And there's so

688
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: much more to the game than that. That speed is

689
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: almost like if it hits a certain threshold, if you

690
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: can run four five, you're five. You're fine. Running four

691
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: to four doesn't make you better than a guy running

692
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: four or five. Running four three really doesn't make you

693
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: that much better because it almost makes you more dependent

694
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: on it. And so you look at a guy who

695
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: runs four three and you're like, Okay, what does this

696
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: technique look like? And you're like, his technique isn't that sound?

697
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: Because he's fast and he always knows he can catch up.

698
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: The guy that runs four or five's technique is really

699
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: sound because he knows he can't. He knows he has

700
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: to win early. He knows he has to put himself

701
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: in position because if he makes a mistake, it's over with,

702
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: the play's done. The guy who runs four to three

703
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: knows he has more margin for error, so he works

704
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: less on those things. If a guy runs four to

705
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: three and his technique is great, then you got Patrick Sartain,

706
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: a guy who's gonna be a perennial pro until he's

707
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: done playing this game or until his technique falters. But

708
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's been a technician since the day he

709
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: came in. But I just like we've gotten to a

710
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: time where they're they're reaching and these kids are are

711
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: able to give them what they want to see, Like

712
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: they're able to put the facade up. Some of these

713
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: scouts and gms have been taught to see but they

714
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: aren't built with the the strength and integrity and the

715
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: and the and the dedication and the drive and the

716
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: doll that you got to have to win consistently in

717
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: this league. And some of them are like, that's why

718
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: some of these SEC kids and these kids from LSU

719
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: and Georgia and Bama are having so much success in

720
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: this league because they are still held to that standard

721
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: of being a dog. And you see some of these

722
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: guys who haven't played hard nosed football and haven't been

723
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: challenged are struggling in this league because you can't transfer out,

724
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: you can't move, you can't switch teams. When things get hard,

725
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: You got to weather the storm. And they don't know.

726
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: How that's the new mindset. We're going to see how

727
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: that all plays out here let's talk about the La Rams.

728
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: This offseason was filled with conversation about Matthew Stafford. Ultimately,

729
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: the Rams gave him the green light to go check

730
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: out what his market value was with other teams, and

731
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: we saw there was some interested suitors. The Giants were

732
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: one of them. There was some reports that the Raiders

733
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: and Tom Brady recording him as well. You know, how

734
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: surprised are you with the way the Rams handled this

735
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: this offseason with Matthew Stafford.

736
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised really at all, because they've done what

737
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: he wanted them to do. Every other year. You know,

738
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: every year it's like, hey, pay me more, and they've

739
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: changed and gave more, pay me more. They've they've folded

740
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: and gave him more. This year, they were like, hey,

741
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 1: go go see if somebody else will give you more,

742
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: because we're tired and you've done great, boss, And if

743
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: you feel like that's us doing great by you, then

744
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: go go have at it. And I think sometimes you

745
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: got to do that, you know, I mean, he did

746
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: push give them a chance and they were a player

747
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: or two away from the NFC title game and putting

748
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Eagles out last year. That is a big deal. But

749
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: you were also banged up. You're older, you're always on

750
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: the edge of retirement. But so that doesn't surprise me

751
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: that much. It's good that they, you know, he made

752
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: the decision because I think they said the Giants had

753
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: the compensational rams won it, and they had the money

754
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: that Stafford wanted, and I think he understood that, Hey,

755
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: I have a better chance here with Sean McVeigh and

756
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: these receivers and pooping Nikola in the system that I

757
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: know and not moving my family all the way to

758
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: New York and starting over again and trying to figure

759
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: it out. So I'm going to stay here. And so

760
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: I think that was great for both sides. I think

761
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: both sides played that as as as reasonably and as

762
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: amicably as you could possibly do in that situation.

763
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: Well, while we're talking about QB, so let's talk about

764
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold. It doesn't look like Minnesota is going to

765
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: be franchise taking him. They're going to open themselves up

766
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: for a mystery this offseason at the quarterback position. Is

767
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: it JJ McCarthy's time. Did they look to add another

768
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: veteran on top for him? We shall see. But in

769
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: terms of Sam Darnold, where do you think is the

770
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: best landing spot for him. He showed out a lot

771
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: this year. He showed that he can play this game

772
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: at a high level worthy of that top pick that he.

773
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: Was years ago.

774
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: But where do you think is the best fit for him?

775
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: Now? Whoever is on the outside looking in on these

776
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks? So right now, I'd say that's the Raiders,

777
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: that's potentially the Jets. Yeah, those teams be lovely right

778
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: for oh my god, oh my god, just about full

779
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: circle moment, sir, go of life. That'd be crazy. I

780
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: think those teams have to be in on him. I

781
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: think Tennessee and those teams that are going to draft

782
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: sadu Or and cam Ward and potentially Jackson Dart I'm

783
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: hearing now those guys are going to have to if

784
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: they want a veteran, then you'd have to pay him

785
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: premium in draft. I don't think they'll do that. I

786
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: think that's the situation Atlanta fell into last year, and

787
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: obviously now they're stuck. But I don't I don't see

788
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: very many places that would pay him over thirty million

789
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: dollars in draft a quarterback, So it depends on what

790
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: his number is. Maybe he comes back to Minnesota at

791
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: a reasonable price, and and they make it a quarterback competition,

792
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: and I think that's the best of both worlds for

793
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: that team. But outside of that, I think there are

794
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: a few opportunities where he could come in and be

795
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: the starter guaranteed and get starter money like he feels

796
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: he deserves. And that's unfortunate, but that's what it is

797
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: right now.

798
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you, man, I'd love to see him

799
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: end up back with the Jets, and I think, frankly,

800
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: they should bring in a backup worthy to compete with them,

801
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: and that that backup could be Zach Wilson. You want

802
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: to talk about full circle moment over there in New York,

803
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: That's that's what I would do, you know. So let's

804
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: talk about the Steelers a little bit here though, justin

805
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: Fields and Russell Wilson opening.

806
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: Right, But I just heard what you said. I just

807
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: heard what you said. I just hurt. What's you said?

808
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: Mitchell Sack Wilson down. I'm done. That's what I'm doing. Man.

809
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: If you're gonna bring if you're gonna bring back you know,

810
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, do you might as well bring back Zach

811
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: Wilson too, And let these guys fight out.

812
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: The fans would burn the stadium down. They would burn

813
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: the stadium down.

814
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: I would love to see it. The Jets, you know,

815
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: obviously with Aaron Glenn at the Helm, they're they're going

816
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: to be looking for a quarterback. And when we're talking

817
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: about the Jets, let's talk a little bit about what

818
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: they're dealing with because Aaron Rodgers, it looks like he

819
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: wants to play still, but they've already made it apparent

820
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: that they're moving on from him, and it looks like

821
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: they're also going to be moving on from Devonte Adams

822
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: potentially as well.

823
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, here we go.

824
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers, if he does move on, obviously he's

825
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: in the twilight of his career, Like, where is the

826
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: best landing spot for him? Next as him? You you

827
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: know he's gonna want to compete, But I don't know,

828
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: after we saw what went on with New York, I

829
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: know you got a ton of respect for this guy, Rich,

830
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: but where is a realistic landing spot for Aaron Rodgers

831
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: at this point of his career.

832
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: That's tough because it really would have been with the Rams.

833
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: It would have been Stafford going out them getting him

834
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: for a discount and being able to build around him.

835
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: That would have been the best case scenario for him. Now,

836
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. It just depends on how much they

837
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: believe in these young quarterbacks and where he would really play,

838
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, what he played for the New York Giants,

839
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: and can they get him. You know, obviously they were

840
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: all in on the Stafford deal, and so were the Raiders.

841
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 1: So that shows you that even with this draft coming up,

842
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: those teams are really okay and content with going with

843
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: a veteran guy, high priced veteran guy. And so I

844
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: don't know, I say he you know, Raiders are the Giants.

845
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: If he could get those jobs, he'd take it. I'm sure.

846
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: Well, while we're on the podcast right now, just got

847
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: news that DeVante Adams has been released by the team.

848
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: So now he enters free agency. Obviously he's going to

849
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: be a big name in free agency. Where do you

850
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: think he lands? Is it back to the Packers? They

851
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: truly need a bona fide number one up in Green Bay?

852
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 2: Could you see something like that?

853
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: I could definitely see something like that, and that'd be

854
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: like a cool reunion, you know, for the right price,

855
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be into it. It'd be a good,

856
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, just full circle moment for the franchise, him

857
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: potentially finishing his career there and all that. But on

858
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: the flip side, if he doesn't and the Packers aren't

859
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Speaker 1: you know, open to that, then I think he goes

860
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Speaker 1: and goes wherever Aaron goes. If he goes to the Giants,

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Speaker 1: I think that Davonte tries to go to the Giants

862
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: with Aaron and they try to finish this this rodeo

863
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Speaker 1: out together.

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Speaker 2: That would be a wild one for sure. Staying in

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Speaker 2: New York, just switching teams. Let's go to Pittsburgh. Though

866
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Speaker 2: we already kind of touched on a previously. Last offseason

867
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: was a big storyline justin Fields against Russell Wilson. You know,

868
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Speaker 2: the Steelers got a luxury and getting Russell Wilson in

869
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: there at a minimum contract. But now they're looking at

870
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: the same issue again this year. If you're the Steelers,

871
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: who do you bring back? Is it justin Fields, is

872
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: it Russell Wilson? Do you bring them both back and

873
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: rerun the same roster you had last year? What's your

874
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: thought process with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: I think you do something you have never done and

876
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: you make a really crazy trade and try to get

877
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Speaker 1: in the top five and get a quarterback. I'm not

878
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: sure who that trade is. You only have a few pieces,

879
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: You only have Pickens, Minka, TJ. Like those are pretty

880
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: much your biggest tradable pieces because the options outside of

881
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: that are pretty slim. Like do you do you get Aaron?

882
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Do do you trust Sam Darnold to come ruin the

883
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: ship in Pittsburgh? Like is that we're going with? You

884
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: got to deal with buff but Baltimore multiple times, you

885
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: gotta deal with Cincinnati multiple times. I don't you know,

886
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't think Sam d is a guy that would

887
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: do well under those circumstances. But if you talk about

888
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: in terms of financial compensation, russ will be more expensive

889
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: than Fields right now. Obviously, you know there's more experience.

890
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: You saw what you can get with Russell. You saw

891
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: what you can get with justin Fields. Where do you

892
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: see the upside? Who do you see with more upside?

893
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the question, honestly, and I don't have

894
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: the answer. I think I think they got to make

895
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: a move to finally get a franchise quarterback in the

896
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: draft and switch things up. If they don't do that,

897
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Speaker 1: then it's pretty much you still just spinning your wheels.

898
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, they're in this hamster wheel dealing with

899
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: you know, quarterback turnover after quarterback turnover ever since you know,

900
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: Ben Roethsberger retired, really and they got to find that

901
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: next guy for the next five to ten years, not

902
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: next one to two years. You know, it's been marvelous

903
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: to see this Pittsburgh Steelers organization stay competitive being the

904
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: playoffs a year after year. But at some point, and

905
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: as a fan base, just getting into the playoffs is

906
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: not enough. And I know they want to win and

907
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Speaker 2: be more competitive in the AFC. Let's stay in the division.

908
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Speaker 2: Before we wrap, we got to revisit the Miles Garrett discussion.

909
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: He's still hot, the hot name in the trade wins

910
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Speaker 2: right now. It was news that the Lions were being

911
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: extremely aggressive. We know Philly's freeing up money to try

912
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 2: to make a run at him. Obviously, the Buffalo Bills

913
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: have been in that conversation as well. You know, it

914
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Speaker 2: looks like Cleveland try to smooth things over with Miles

915
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Speaker 2: and renegotiate his contract and extend him, but he has

916
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Speaker 2: made it abundantly clear he wants to win now and

917
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: play for a competitor. How do you see this situation

918
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: shaking out with the Cleveland Browns and Miles Garrett.

919
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's

920
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: a weird situation. If they don't get it done before

921
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: the draft, I don't think he gets done. So I'd

922
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Speaker 1: be really surprised if it goes past the draft and

923
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: gets done because at that point you're trading him for

924
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: likely draft picks. You're not going to trade him for

925
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: a comparable player. There is no comparable player unless you're,

926
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Speaker 1: you know, trading him for TJ. Watt or both sare,

927
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Speaker 1: you know, and no team would do that. So I

928
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Speaker 1: don't know where they go from here. I think they

929
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Speaker 1: try to trade him for a first round pick, early

930
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Speaker 1: first round pick, if any of those teams are interested

931
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Speaker 1: in them, if you can get the Giants or somebody

932
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Speaker 1: to take the bait. I think maybe if they would

933
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Speaker 1: have got Matt Stafford, then they'd be more willing to

934
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Speaker 1: play ball in that realm. But I think that's the

935
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Speaker 1: only way the Browns give him up, and otherwise they

936
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Speaker 1: keep him franchising.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you here, as a detroiter, we would

938
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Speaker 2: absolutely love to see him playing opposite Aiden Hutchinson, so

939
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Speaker 2: fingers crossed that can happen. But Richard, this is our

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Speaker 2: first episode in the offseason. I know we're excited to

941
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Speaker 2: bring you guys more content as the free agency progresses

942
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Speaker 2: along and the NFL Draft approaches.

943
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Speaker 1: I will let you sign us off. My friend. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys joining us again for this offseason podcast,

945
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Speaker 1: the first one we've done. We will do many more.

946
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us. I know you could be

947
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Speaker 1: anywhere in the world and join your time, but you're

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Speaker 1: here with us and we greatly appreciate it. Have a beautiful,

949
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Speaker 1: blessed day. The volume