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Speaker 1: have just never gotten hormones because I don't want to

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Speaker 1: live as your girl. Like, that's not that's not what

431
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: that's not what I want to even do. And yeah,

432
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: having having all of that gate keeping, which is part

433
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: part of part of part of what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, as much as as much as they

435
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Speaker 1: hate people who like are you know, are find more

436
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: comfort inside the inside the more like typical gender rules,

437
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: they also really don't like the people who enjoy being

438
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: more like over gender freaks, um, and like like outside

439
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: of that, it's like so of course they're going to

440
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: try to clamp down on any anything it's worth noting

441
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: to just the like, there's there are a few different

442
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Speaker 1: camps um in in in the sort of right wing

443
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: response to trans people. UM. One of the things that

444
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Speaker 1: I've learned over the years kind of looking at looking

445
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: at what the all right is up to. Um. You

446
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: know what originally I really like of the whole Republican Party,

447
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the whole right wing is like a single cohesive ideological unit.

448
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: It seemed like they were disabled to get everyone on

449
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: the same page and then go at something and if

450
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: you look closely, you realize, actually, it's this huge, ever

451
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: evolving coalition of people who mostly hate each other and

452
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: if you're if you're clever, you can break people off

453
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: and disrupt things. Um, there's different there's different movements, different

454
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: thoughts inside of the way that people are approaching this.

455
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: And you have a lot of politicians who they probably

456
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: never met a trans person, They certainly probably don't have

457
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: any gay friends. They're just some random suburbanite motherfucker's who

458
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: know that sacrificing trans kids on the altar of political

459
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: convenience will score them points with a radicalized base of bigots. Um,

460
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: so those people are just cynically hurting trans people because

461
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: it will score them some you know, pretend points that

462
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: will lead to real structural power. But there is also

463
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: the evangelical community, and a huge amount of the the

464
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: deepest and scariest fervor against trans people comes out of

465
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Speaker 1: the evangelical community. I was raised vaguely evangelical, and yeah,

466
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: and like when I came out, I was definitely told

467
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: I was going to hell. Like if you look at

468
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: the you look at the where this a lot of

469
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: the incredibly incredibly like eliminationist rhetoric is coming from and

470
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: that's coming from the evangelical community who are like, it's

471
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: not just that I think that From a policy perspective,

472
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: this is like we need to like retool how we're

473
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: doing trans healthcare something, because if people wanted to have

474
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Speaker 1: conversations about how to make the best possible systems, like

475
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: we want to have that conversation, we can we can

476
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: agree to we can disagree about policy, but their policy

477
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: is literally trans people are an army of demons who

478
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: have come to win souls for Satan, and I'm like,

479
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to refill my prescription fun, like we

480
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: need the funk alone. It also creates its really interesting

481
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: looping effect of of politicians who get into antiach friends

482
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Speaker 1: and like like all of this kind of like anti

483
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: gay stuff to specifically win elections. Right. We even saw

484
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: this like Greg Abbott doing his um like letters about

485
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: about investigating parents of trans kids specifically around his primary election. Like,

486
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: so people definitely do are still very much getting into

487
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: this specifically to win elections because they know it's a

488
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: point that riles up the base. But then you also

489
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: have people because that's been going on for so long

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00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: you have people who are maybe not necessarily super evangelical, um,

491
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: but who grew up around this kind of culture of

492
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: politicians need to say these things, who are now getting again.

493
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Speaker 1: Even if politicians didn't really fully agree with it, they

494
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Speaker 1: they needed to do it to get support. But you

495
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: have people who grew up around that and went into

496
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: politics around that who are now just do that sincerely

497
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: because because it was what they were exposed to previously.

498
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: Now we have people like that who are trying to

499
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: run for office for the first time who are just

500
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: that extreme. Um. I think that's even a bit of

501
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: what the Marjorie Taylor Green thing is is like someone

502
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: who was exposed to extremist stuff online who is now

503
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: running for office herself and is completely sincere about all

504
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: the stuff she's doing, Like she she is a true

505
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: believer in the way that some other people like Matt

506
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: Gates may not even be a true believer. He might

507
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: just be doing it because it's popular. But you also

508
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: have the people who are just like fully fully believe

509
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: it because it's it's it's influenced culture long enough that

510
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: it's now a full loop of sincerity. Well, and then specifically,

511
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: the perception of trans people within the religious rights specifically,

512
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: is actually shifted so much and last decade. I guess

513
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: now I'm trying to think how old I am. Um,

514
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: because I was a student at Baylor University. Oh okay, yeah, okay, cool, cool, Yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: I have I have, I have some family who used

516
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: to work at Baylor. Oh boy, I have spent a

517
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of time in and around there, the top part

518
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Speaker 1: of the world. Um uh yeah, sick um for all

519
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: of the queer asked Baylor bears out there. But I

520
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: became a student and I graduated, and being queer was

521
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: against the rules the whole time I was there. Despite me,

522
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: we came out and started a student group my freshman year. Um.

523
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Speaker 1: But I had to face this really weird decision because

524
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Speaker 1: in high school I had a lot of gender stuff

525
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: going on, a lot of sexuality stuff going on, and

526
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: I described myself as like a queer sexual because I'm like,

527
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm still figuring it out. Sometimes I'm a girl, sometimes

528
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Speaker 1: I'm a boy. I don't know, I'll sort this out

529
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: in my twenties. And then I go to college where

530
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: I thought I'd sorted out, and I was faced with

531
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: this thing like you can neither be out as queer

532
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: and but you have to like present as like as

533
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: sis gay man, or you can transition, which will be

534
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: totally acceptable within this culture, but you have to go

535
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: deep stealth and um, you'll just show up next year

536
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: as a girl and everyone will be fine with that

537
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: and we'll all pretend it didn't happen and that you've

538
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: always been a girl. Um, and that was like the

539
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: standard and a lot of the Baylor's very Upper Crest religious, right,

540
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: like very privileged group of people. But was you just

541
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: kind of go away and we can just for a

542
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: few months and we just pretend this is how it

543
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: always was. And now it's much more um inquisitional is

544
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: the wrong word. But they it's like hunting trans people down, uh,

545
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: in a much more aggressive way where they can't just

546
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of be like, well, God doesn't make trash and

547
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: instead they're like, oh, God connects you to hell just

548
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: very directly, and it's getting worse, and um, that's why

549
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: tear it up is really important that we like start

550
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: now instead of like next fall, because it's gonna be

551
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: horrible next fall. In the spring after that could be

552
00:32:52,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be real grim. I love to talk more

553
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: about like a tear it up and how you approach

554
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: organizing UM and what you're kind of hoping to both

555
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: expand into and the various actions that you have done

556
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: in the past few weeks. So the first tear it

557
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: up action officially was the three thirteen rally in Austin, Texas.

558
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: That was the Transcrids Cry for Help rally UM, where

559
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of people and the steps of

560
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: the Governor's mansion, UM speaking and getting loud and UM.

561
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: We had a few hundred people show up and not

562
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: really mobilized. A lot of folks in Texas that I

563
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: know got activated from that and are still going. But

564
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: while I was running and organizing that with trot Um

565
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: and actually flew down to Texas from Nebraska to do that, UM,

566
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: the various humans I'd reached out to and I was

567
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: just like, I don't have time to explain directions right now.

568
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: We need to organize the dying by the end of

569
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: the month. Here's here's what I have. I just kind

570
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: of threw it at them and UM, they all ran

571
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: with it. And I think that's UM the way that

572
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: we need to approach this right now, because we need

573
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: to build this big machine because they've been building the

574
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: machine against us for years. Um, and to build a

575
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: machine that can rival that, we kind of need to

576
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: be much more decentralized and much more agile about how

577
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: we grow and how we do these actions. Um, cat,

578
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: you are one of the first humans I reached out

579
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: to and I was like, yes, I would like to

580
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: make a big trouble. What was that like from your

581
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: side of things? Yeah? So I keep thinking about this

582
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: from the perspective of kind of my own political motivation.

583
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: So I've done various kinds of like lefty whatever organizing

584
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: for for most of my adult life. And um, in

585
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: the last like last I guess February and February or whatever. Um,

586
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: I think like probably be a lot of people, especially

587
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 1: a lot of trans people. I had like a couple

588
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: of week period of just like totally depressed, doom scrolling,

589
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: and then the invastion of Ukraine was happening, and it's

590
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: just like everything was bad all the time. Um it's

591
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: still feel still feels like everything is bad all the time.

592
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: But um, I have stuff to do thanks to uh

593
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: get a roads over here. UM. So what it I so?

594
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: Like I said, I grew up, Um, I was a

595
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: child of the nineties. I grew up in a world

596
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: that I knew was utterly hostile to my existence. I

597
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: knew that trans people were like that to be trans

598
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: was something deeply shameful and a secret that I either

599
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: needed to die with or that if I came out

600
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: it would like ruin my life of all of my family, um,

601
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: until I eventually, you know, I managed to not die

602
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: all the way until eighteen came out, and then I

603
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: found a bunch of incredible queer people and uh have

604
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: Um it's been alive since then. But I I was

605
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: shaped by that experience, by the experience of needing to

606
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: survive knowing that I had this secret all you know,

607
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: I knew and I knew in kindergarten. I like just

608
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: just new with total certainty. And I also knew that

609
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: it was evil and bad and that I should be ashamed. Um.

610
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: And there is a whole couple there's like generation, there's

611
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: like a whole generation of kids right now growing up

612
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: who have you know, come out who have been born

613
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: since two thousand fourteen and come out as tiny right,

614
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: So there's like a whole and then never mind like

615
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: kids weren't born before that, but who are in high

616
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: school now who are coming out and like they have

617
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: existed in a world where pop culture and the sort

618
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: of mass culture more generally speaking, has like there are

619
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: trans people on TV, and they're not just serial killers

620
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: or the murder victims in an SPU story. There's legitimate representation,

621
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: there is, you know, you have like the you have

622
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: people in national government and in state government explicit lead

623
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: defending trans people like they they have been enculturated to

624
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: this idea that they have some semblance of rights and

625
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: that civilization, that the civilization they live in doesn't want

626
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to smite them out of existence. Um, and those kids

627
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: are watching this conversation shift and I don't know what

628
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: that's like, but I can tell you that I've been

629
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: motivated by anger to do a lot of things. And um,

630
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever been quite as furious

631
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: in my life as I have been the last the

632
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: last couple of months, and so being drawn towards tear

633
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: it up? To me, is this opportunity to like, you know, uh,

634
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I I love the Trevor Project. I'm really glad that

635
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: they exist. I'm really glad that they do the work

636
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: that they do. You know, like that there's all these

637
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: different organs who are putting out positive messaging, but it's

638
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: all pretty milk toast. You know, It's like trans people

639
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: are cool. Maybe we should Maybe we should give all

640
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: we should give all the tender cursive baseball bat. Maybe

641
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: that would be a more useful right and to be

642
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: space for. Like they're fucking trying to kill you, thirteen

643
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: year old, they are coming for you. This world is unsafe,

644
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: and I need you to know that you have somewhere

645
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: to run to, that there are adults in the world

646
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: who will keep you safe, who will show up for you,

647
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: who are going to go and raise a bunch of hell,

648
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: make a bunch of noise, do a graffiti, put up

649
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: some posters, go and you know, get ourselves in trouble

650
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: on the steps of the capitals all across the country.

651
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: So that those kids in high school right now who

652
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: are feeling like the entire fucking universe is dissolving around

653
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: them into a bottomless see of fear and hatred. But like,

654
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: there's other people out there. If you're in Idaho, if

655
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: you're if you were a kid who's growing up in

656
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: northern Idaho, like there's other people out there. You just

657
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: have to get free, and we're specifically so our first

658
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: actions we specifically target at these states that tend to

659
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: be ignored by um so like the mainstream liberal media.

660
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say that without sounding like a whacka doodle,

661
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: but were fully past that foot great cool, I have

662
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: feel like a profit storial. We opened this show with

663
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: a joke about that's true. We're fine, that happened. I

664
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, um but yeah, like the mainstream liberal

665
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: media doesn't give a funk about Iowa or Idaho. And frankly,

666
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: I've since I've lived all over the country and been

667
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: involved in queer activism for like over a decade. I

668
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: have friends all over and a lot of the um

669
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: more higher up folks and established organs on the coasts

670
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: and in big cities. Look at what happens in like

671
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: Iowa and Idaho, in Texas and Florida, and they're like,

672
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: oh no, this is a sign of what's to come,

673
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: and not this affects a quarter of the country. It's

674
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: already happening. Yeah, it's happened. Yeah it's not it could

675
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: happen here, It's happened already, And fight for these kids

676
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: desperately because their lives are at risk so many ways.

677
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Right now, they're legally imperiled. The things that we're giving

678
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: them hope for life are being taken away. And a

679
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of these laws most affect the kids that have

680
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: support of families, but we need a fight for the

681
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: kids that don't too, and make sure that they know that,

682
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: like we see you in Iowa and we're gonna go

683
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: do something melodramatic and cover ourselves in fake blood and

684
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: lay on the steps of the capital in the in

685
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: the state that you live in so you can see that,

686
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: like your feelings are being externalized, and hopefully that'll move

687
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: you to knowing that like other people are going through

688
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: this too, and hopefully other people will see what's happening

689
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: and it will move them to action to protect those kids. Um.

690
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: And it will give you a space to start building

691
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: community and building connections for other transpeople and other people

692
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: in the area who want to help keep you alive exactly. Um.

693
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: And that's really the next step and tear it up

694
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: is this next month, I want to have us focus

695
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: a bit more on a little community building and community events,

696
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: which has always been a big part of my strategy

697
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: with previous organizing as big lab protests followed by a

698
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: pizza party UM or we did a great technic in

699
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Austin after the legislative sessions last year where we had

700
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of people show up and made a lot

701
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: of good connections. UM We had a lot of the

702
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: little trans kiddos there and some photos that were taken

703
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: there were then used as like the headline, like the

704
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: the cover photos for like all these articles about the

705
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: kids being attacked. Yeah. Yeah, I think that the we

706
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: we pulled off our sort of first coordinated national set

707
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: of actions, that the model that we're that we're looking

708
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: at is groups like act up so more of a

709
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: sort of decentralized national network of UM folks who are

710
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: all working together to be sort of power amplifiers to

711
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: like share resources, share share tools, make sure that you

712
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: know everyone has what they need and has backup in

713
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: case anything gets out of hand wherever they're whatever state

714
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: they're in, whatever city they're in. UM And that coalition

715
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: building or like the community building part is such a

716
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: such an incredibly important factor. Like I so I was coordinating,

717
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: I was working on the event to have happened in Boise,

718
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: and you know, one of the major things that I

719
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: that I ran into reaching out to all these different

720
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 1: organizations is like, I mean, they've been at war for

721
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: a long time and they have like there are literally

722
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: militia groups hunting anyone who shows up at a blm

723
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: rally in boise Um. When I talked to, you know,

724
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: some of the like executive directors of like LGBTQ oriented

725
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: nonprofits in boise they were like, Hey, I'm really it's

726
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: really cool that you're doing this, but I we cannot

727
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: send our kids. Were like, I we can't participate in

728
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: this because we don't know you and we don't know

729
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. And this is like this you

730
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: need to understand that this scene is like not safe.

731
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Totally fair. Yeah, so totally fair. It's like, think a

732
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: big part of this next step is deepening those connections,

733
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: you know, showing people that like, we will show up,

734
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: we are accountable, we are looking to be partners for

735
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: long term action, for long term struggle. And one of

736
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: the things that is really cool about Tear it Up

737
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't expect because I am old, so my

738
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: networking has always been phone trees um and literally just

739
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: like calling people out and being like you call these

740
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: three people UM and getting people out for actions, uh,

741
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: for tear it up. We have these amazing humans at

742
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: building like online communities on Discord, which makes me feel

743
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: simultaneously like years old and also like the kids. They're

744
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: all right, they know that how to do the trouble UM,

745
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: and we're trying to not just build do this traditional

746
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: coalition building that I've been doing for a long time

747
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: and making all these connections, but trying to build not

748
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: just like a physical community, but an online community, to

749
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: stitch these physical communities together because if you're in like

750
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, Texas, you can see what's happening in Austin,

751
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: but you can't always like physically make it there. So

752
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: it's good to know that, like, these are my humans

753
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: and they're fighting for me, and I can be in

754
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: the loop and get involved UM. And our long term

755
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: strategy with that is to connect people like UM the

756
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: Trevor Project. I love a lot of the humans they're

757
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: actually and like trans Lifeline in these groups because they

758
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: UM and all these other like national groups that raise

759
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but they're actually not allowed to

760
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: raise a lot of trouble because of like their tax

761
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: status and all these things is like, Uh, the HRC

762
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: like can't do a trouble because it'll look bad for them,

763
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: and they care about those sorts of things. But we

764
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: can connect those people with these young activists that want

765
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: to go stir up ship and cause trouble and need

766
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: to like let out that screaming um. And even if

767
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: we can't defeat the laws in the moment, letting out

768
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: that scream is a communal good. It lets people feel seen,

769
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: and it lets people know I need help right now,

770
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: and shouting and crying and a gnashing of teeth and

771
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: rending of hair and clothes is objectively good. Actually, we

772
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: need people to come together, and we need people to

773
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: see our suffering, and we need people to be moved

774
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: to loving each other and helping each other. And that's

775
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: um how, that's how will survive. Right if we achieve

776
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: nothing beyond Catharsis and we've achieved something. I loved your

777
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: point about the online community component of things, because I

778
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: feel like so much of trans focused online community is like, uh,

779
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, do I look okay in this outfit? Or like, hey,

780
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: we're all fans of the same like the anime or something, right,

781
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: like if they're all, they're the very specific kind of projects,

782
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: and there there's not I don't feel like there's a

783
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: lot of spaces that are like, hey, this is like

784
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: the war room. Well, I mean not that we can't

785
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: talk about bullshit, but like the entire focus of this

786
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: space is to connect as many trans people as possible

787
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: so we can amplify our power together. Um, and you know,

788
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: begin to even remotely approximate the boogeyman that sucking. Marjorie

789
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Taylor Green imagines us to be right well, and we

790
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: need to become like the trans and Sexual Menace, which

791
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: is another protest group that I love from the nineties

792
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: where they create this iconography around like, oh, we are

793
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: the trans sexual menace and then it's a bunch of

794
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: like very nice, like like like very like normal looking folks. Yeah.

795
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: But I think we need to reclaim that and taking

796
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: in another direction. And we need to not be menacing,

797
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: and you know, like we need to be a good menace.

798
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: We need to be a bit of an anti hero

799
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: for the trans community, and we need to do fucking

800
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: trouble and we need to cause problems for people. And frankly,

801
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I think, um, too many politicians get to go to

802
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: bed at night, not listening to people call them motherfucker's

803
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: on a megaphone. And too many people get to have

804
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: a nice lunch at their favorite restaurant without that being

805
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: disrupted and having things shouted at them. I think we

806
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: need to become the menace that we need to be

807
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: to survive in this moment. I concur with this project,

808
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: and yes, I concur with this and UM enjoy enjoy

809
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: participating in things that lead to those outcomes because it

810
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: is it's a because they want us dead anyway, Like

811
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that is, that is what they're doing, that's

812
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: what they're complacent with. UM. I think it is also

813
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: an important thing to note that, UM in terms of

814
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: like good news, like not all of these bills are

815
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: passing Like on on this show, we've talked a lot

816
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: about the bills that have passed. We have talked about

817
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: all the stuff that has been going on, but there

818
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: is not not not all of them, not all of

819
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: them are going through and that is an important thing

820
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: to talk about. It doesn't mean the fight's over because

821
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna try again. UM. But that is the other

822
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: thing I think is worth is is worth mentioning and

823
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: states from you know, Florida to Idaho to Washington, Utah, Virginia,

824
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: like at least there is not there is stuff that

825
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: is getting blocked um or at least not going through.

826
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: And there's a lesson that needs to be learned from

827
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: how the right operates in this because what they did

828
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: for years was opposed equal rights, was supposed things in

829
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: a variety of ways socially and through legislation that failed,

830
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: and it was fail fail, fail, fail fail for a

831
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: long time until they started to succeed. And part of

832
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: why they succeeded is because they were continuously building a

833
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: wide ranging and powerful machine to push this stuff through,

834
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: learning from their fail years, grabbing more power, getting better

835
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: at messaging and like that. Ultimately, the same attitude needs

836
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: to be had, like when when one of these laws

837
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: gets struck down, it's not a sign that the fight's

838
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: been one. It's a sign um to keep pushing. Like

839
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: it's this kind of thing where you have to you

840
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to the way they built this

841
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: over the course of really thirty or forty years um,

842
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: because it has to be done. Something a counter a counterweight,

843
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: a machine capable of of applying equal pressure in the

844
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: opposite direction has to be built, and it has to

845
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: be built very quickly well, and nine out of the

846
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: nine out of ten of these bills die and so

847
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: nearly two and seventy I think it's two and sixty

848
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: four is the actual account of how many anti trans

849
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: bills have been proposed in the last two years since

850
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: the last selection UH and only have become law. So

851
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: they're really just playing a numbers game, right, They're just

852
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: forcing it through UM and they're not going to stop.

853
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: And we in Texas it was so hard last year

854
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: because I remember the last day of the legislative session.

855
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: We were all there until midnight and cheered so hard

856
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: when it was done, and we're like this bilt can't

857
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Speaker 1: come back. And then we faced special session followed by

858
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Speaker 1: special sessions followed by special session where they're like, we

859
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Speaker 1: are pushing through this trans legislation and the war is

860
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Speaker 1: not gonna stop. We we we're maybe gonna We're gonna

861
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Speaker 1: win a lot of battles, We're gonna win the majority

862
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Speaker 1: of battles. But they're not playing it to win those

863
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Speaker 1: individual fights. They're playing to eventually exterminate us. And they're

864
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Speaker 1: really gaining a lot of ground and we're way behind

865
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Speaker 1: on building our machine to fight it. And this is

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Speaker 1: all happening in the context of, you know, a a

867
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Speaker 1: very very explicit mask off movement to essentially destroy American

868
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Speaker 1: democracy and replace it with Christian fascism, right, and we

869
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: are the scapeboa, We are the enemy that they are

870
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: currently identifying for elimination. Right. So like it's you know,

871
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: for them, they're like I can score some points if

872
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: I encourage this trans kid they killed themselves, right, Um.

873
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: And for us, it's like an existential threat that we

874
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Speaker 1: maybe watching the United States descend into, you know, an

875
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: irreversible chasm of authoritarianism and violence. Uh. And you know

876
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: that's going to be bad for trans people too. Yeah. Yeah,

877
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: very very understated. How can how can if people are

878
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: interested in tear it Up and what they're doing, how

879
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: can people find out more info online about how to

880
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: keep up with stuff and um and what what y'all do?

881
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: So I think the best place to, I guess get

882
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: little updates. Um, it's the Twitter, which is at tear

883
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: it Up Org on Twitter. Um. And then additionally we

884
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: have our website, uh, which is www dot tear it

885
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: Up dot org and yes, good um. And then if

886
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: you come and get involved, and uh, you can get

887
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: invite to our discord. We're trying to grow that out

888
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: a little slowly and stick with folks that we know

889
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: are getting involved in the fight while we sort of

890
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: build the initial foundation of this. But that's the place

891
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: to find us right now. Twitter, Instagram as well. We're

892
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: also Teared Up Teared Up Org on Instagram and have

893
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: a Facebook page. But who the fuck uses Facebook? I mean, actually,

894
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: so our Facebook. We won't be posting a lot of stuff,

895
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: but a lot of our events will go through Facebook

896
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: because in a lot of the Midwest and the South,

897
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: a lot of people still use Facebook, which is probably bad.

898
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: Turns out that's not helping I think, um, but those

899
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: are the places go find us, um and then come

900
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: get involved. We're gonna be doing a lot more. We've

901
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: sort of been on a break for a week because

902
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: we did of ship ton of events last month all

903
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: at once and kind of needed a week off. But

904
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: staring next week, we're gonna be posting a lot and

905
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: organizing and pulling together some community and social events and

906
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: some more protests. And even if you don't want to,

907
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: even if you don't want to join, join the organization. Specifically,

908
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: if you're a fist ally who's listening to this and

909
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: you're like this sucks, I hate it, I'd like to

910
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: do something. Um, we'll We're gonna have things like you know, postering,

911
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: like postering resources and stickers and all kinds of stuff

912
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: that you can that you can grab and like just

913
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: go paint the town. Yeah, let it. Let it be

914
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: known that trans people won't be a race, but we

915
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: are fighting back. We're a very pro graffiti organization. Um,

916
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: please bully your local politicians and uh sticker every service

917
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: surface you can get. Get some hate pens. I think

918
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Speaker 1: I think I'll do an upcoming episode on how to

919
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: make or how to do wheat pasting. Yeah, as as

920
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: as as some fun uh content for you, for you

921
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: fans of content out there. But yes, follow follow the

922
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: tear it Up account on the twitters. That's how I've

923
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Speaker 1: been mostly keeping up with it, besides just asking people

924
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: because I know who they are of but the Twitter

925
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: Twitter is definitely a good a good resource. Um. Yeah,

926
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Speaker 1: I guess any any kind of any other any other

927
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Speaker 1: thoughts or notes that she would like to to add

928
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Speaker 1: before we before we wrap up here, can I say

929
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Speaker 1: fun grag abbitt. Can we all just k ivy uh? Also,

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Speaker 1: um yeah, fun, lots of governors, a lot of the

931
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Speaker 1: governor's not most most stuff. I think the vast majority

932
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: of governors should go funk themselves and um I'll see

933
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Speaker 1: them in how Yeah yeah, um that's a good at all.

934
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Speaker 1: I'll plug your plug your history podcast because queer history

935
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Speaker 1: sounds like a great thing that people should learn more about. Yeah. Well,

936
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: so it's the Totally trans podcast network. We might also

937
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: come up as Totally Trans Searching for the trans Cannon. Uh.

938
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Speaker 1: We were originally just the one show where we talked

939
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Speaker 1: about pop culture and history. It was me and writer

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Speaker 1: Henry Jardina. And now we have a slate of shows

941
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Speaker 1: that we do all on the same feed. UM. One

942
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Speaker 1: that talks about comics, one that talks about history that

943
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Speaker 1: I love that the playwright Katie Coleman does UM called

944
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Speaker 1: Our Sacred History. And then we have we just started

945
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Speaker 1: the newest season of Totally Trans Searching for the Trans Canon,

946
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: where we're talking about finding lessons from history and queer

947
00:55:52,600 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: culture and pop culture. Mind yeah all right, yeah, uh,

948
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Speaker 1: buy some paint pens, uh, show up to actions if

949
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: you can, um and learn to make some trouble. Yeah. Also,

950
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Speaker 1: megaphones are only forty dollars from Harvard Freight, just saying

951
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: you can get really loud, really cheap. And it's generally

952
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: legal to shout at people from outside their homes, although

953
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: not not always. That can get you in some trouble,

954
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: but not check your local sound ordinances and bring a

955
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: volume meter and really just amplify yourself just to that

956
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: level and learn how to add an audio so you

957
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: can really just dial it in. Find the lawyer and

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00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: consult with them first. Yes. Also, personally, I would like

959
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Speaker 1: to say forced from all anti trans politicians who say

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Speaker 1: that you can be peer pressured into transitioning. Um. I

961
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Speaker 1: am personally trying to force from Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick.

962
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Speaker 1: It hasn't worked yet, but he's very insistent it will

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Speaker 1: work eventually. So I do feel like the right way

964
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Speaker 1: to pursue that is just by de regular lation and

965
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Speaker 1: then poisoning the water supply. Well, well, that doesn't for

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Speaker 1: us today. It could happen here as a production of

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Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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