1 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: A deep to a screen. 2 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to CBS this morning, we're talking about one of 3 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: the great symbols of Paris and all of Western civilization. 4 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: It is still standing this morning after a fire that 5 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: nearly destroyed it. Flames brought down the spire and much 6 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: of the roof at Notre Dame Cathedral yesterday. And think 7 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 2: about this. It's the start of Holy Week. 8 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: Five years after a fire caused major damage, the Notre 9 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: Dame Cathedral is back open again. On Sunday, the cathedral 10 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: held its first mass since the fire. President Donald Trump 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: joining thirty five heads of state for a reopening ceremony 12 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: on Saturday. The First Lady, Joe Biden and Ukrainian President 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: Vladimir Zelensky also attended. Now, this was Trump's first foreign 14 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: trip since winning the race for the White House. 15 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 4: Get hall sweet also, but say brage, Lord. 16 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome aboard and welcome to what is 17 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: has been to such an enlightening journey through history, faith, 18 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 5: the human spirit. This is the Chronicles of the Christians. 19 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: I'm Jack Pisobic and we've reached the last episode of 20 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 5: our series with an episode that's close to many hearts, 21 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 5: titled The Truth about Notre Dame Today, we are not 22 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 5: just looking at a cathedral, peering into the soul of 23 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: Western civilization itself. The Notre Dame Cathedral isn't just a cathedral. 24 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 5: It's a living, breathing symbol of faith, resilience, and cultural identity. 25 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 5: From its beginning in the twelfth century under King Louis 26 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 5: the seventh, to the attacks on it in the French Revolution, 27 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 5: to its restoration by Napoleon and the people of Paris, 28 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 5: to the devastating fire in twenty nineteen. Notre Dame story 29 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 5: is one of human aspiration reaching towards the divine. So 30 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 5: let's embark on this journey back to eleven sixty three, 31 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 5: when the first stone was laid, the medieval world, where 32 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 5: the construction of such a cathedral was not just an 33 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 5: architectural feat but a political statement, a testament to the 34 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: power of both Church and crown. Over the centuries, this 35 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 5: cathedral has been more than a place of worship. It's 36 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 5: been the backdrop to revolutions, coronations, and the daily life 37 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 5: of Parisians. But our story takes a dramatic turn on 38 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 5: April fifteenth, twenty nineteen, the suspicious fire that engulfed Notre 39 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 5: Dame at a time when many churches were facing our 40 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 5: syn attacks across France. And this wasn't just a physical event. 41 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 5: It was a heart wrenching moment for millions who watched 42 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 5: their history and a place of spiritual worship burn if 43 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 5: from those ashes, we've seen an extraordinary response, a global 44 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 5: call to restore, rebuild, remember, And in this final episode, 45 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 5: we will into the origins of Notre Dame. It's political history, 46 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: the devastating fire, and we'll talk about what may have 47 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 5: caused that devastating fire, and of course the ongoing restoration. 48 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 5: We'll explore why this cathedral is not just a symbol 49 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 5: of Christendom, but also a beacon of Western civilizations enduring spirit. 50 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 5: So join me in my special guest, my brother Kevin Pisovic, 51 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 5: as we understand and uncover the truth about Notre Dame, 52 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 5: understanding how this glorious edifice has been shaped and has 53 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: shaped the tides of history of art of faith. We're 54 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 5: going to reflect on what it means for us today 55 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 5: in an era where the past and future intersect in 56 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 5: every single stone of this magnificent cathedral. You know, I 57 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 5: remember visiting it for the first time with my two 58 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 5: boys just about a year ago, and standing there with 59 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 5: the two of them, and they asked, Daddy, can we 60 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 5: go inside? Said, we can't go inside because there was 61 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 5: a terrible fire, and that's something that we have to 62 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 5: understand and can never allow to happen again. So get 63 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 5: ready for a journey that transcends time, where every arch 64 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 5: and every stained glass window tells a story of humanity's 65 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 5: quest for something greater. This is Chronicles of the Christians, 66 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: the Truth about Notre Dame, and we're about to witness history, faith, 67 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 5: and the undying human spirit. 68 00:05:38,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 6: Stay with us, all right, Jack Pisobic, We are back 69 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 6: the Chronicles of the Christians, the Truth about Nora dom 70 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 6: And so I wanted to bring Kevin Pisobic in here. 71 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 5: Kevin, how's it going, man? 72 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: Doing doing very well? Good to be here with you, Kevin. 73 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 5: Tell people, tell people your background a little bit, and 74 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 5: explain to people why, you know why I thought it 75 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 5: would be a great idea to have you on on 76 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 5: this program. 77 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 7: Well as you know, but many may not know that 78 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 7: other than this, part of my bread and butter is 79 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 7: being a carpenter woodworker s been quality above and I 80 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 7: studied it briefly in Philadelphia and the surrounding area. And 81 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 7: we have some family members in the trade k our 82 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 7: blood really and took a lot of pride in that 83 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 7: for several years now. I've been involved since around a thousand, 84 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 7: two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, I want 85 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 7: to say, off and on. And we've had the privilege of, 86 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 7: like I said, having a family member who has like 87 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 7: the old school would shop and you know, with all 88 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 7: the machines, the joiners of plans, the clamps, like the saws, everything, 89 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 7: and yeah, it's been great to learn an apprentice under 90 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 7: someone like that. 91 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, it reminds me of like how guilds used. 92 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 7: To be before unions, and so yeah, I've done that 93 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 7: for several several years now, over a decade about and 94 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 7: you know, it's something that rewarding to me. I love 95 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 7: studying architecture. I studied historical preservation as well, and I've 96 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 7: worked with various Philadelphia craftsmen and furniture makers over the years. 97 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: We did a lot of. 98 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 7: Hardwood tables, credenzas, and custom cat inetry, doors, flooring, themes, 99 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 7: you name it. I've worked in all various aspects of 100 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 7: the word working field. 101 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's kind of a quick quick resume. You 102 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: will put this this on my LinkedIn. 103 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I said so when all of this 104 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 5: went down, Actually one of the first conversations, and obviously 105 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 5: with the fire in twenty nineteen, I remember having a 106 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 5: conversation with you and I didn't realize how much you 107 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 5: just knew about the general construction of Notre Dame and 108 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 5: of the architecture. And you know, I can tell you 109 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 5: like the basic political facts the you know, okay, eleven 110 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 5: sixty three and it was you know, Louis the seventh 111 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 5: and the final stone, you know, the main of the 112 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 5: main structure was laid by Louis the ninth. And we 113 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 5: actually just talked about him in a couple of recent episodes, 114 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 5: having been a crusader king Louis, Louis the ninth, also 115 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 5: Saint Louis. He is the king that Saint Louis is 116 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 5: named for, Louisiana is named for. But a lot of 117 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 5: people don't realize some of the structural innovations and architectural 118 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 5: innovations that were done into this And just take us 119 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 5: back to literally the Middle Ages one thousand, one hundred 120 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 5: a d. What were some of the things that when 121 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 5: they decided to build Notre Dame that went into it. 122 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: Well. 123 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 7: So some of the some of the aspects to look 124 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 7: at from kind of the bigger picture looking in down 125 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 7: to a more detailed view is that, you know, this 126 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 7: was a massive structure and you would need like a 127 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 7: lot of community. 128 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: Support to get this done. 129 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 7: And their plans were devised, drawn up, but then they 130 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 7: had to make a commitment to a multi generational structure. 131 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 7: So this thing was built over I believe it was 132 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 7: one hundred and seventy odd years, and so you imagine 133 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 7: being a master builder and not living to see like 134 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 7: the fulfillment of your project. But they made that commitment anyway, 135 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 7: and that's just like a sacrifice that is uncommon these days. 136 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 7: And just the commitment that these people had in the 137 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 7: passion for religion itself that defined their nation and you know, 138 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 7: so it came from that. It's it's a giant structure. 139 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 7: And as far as innovation goes, you know, growing up, 140 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 7: one of the things that caught my eye or ear 141 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 7: i should say, is like the flying buttresses. And we 142 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 7: used to joke about that in grade school, like oh said, 143 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 7: but you know, and. 144 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 5: So those are just like, yeah, so the flying buttresses 145 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 5: they're the you know, for me, who's a total layman 146 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 5: in this stuff. This was they're sort of part of 147 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 5: the roof structure, but they're actually made of stone, is 148 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: that correctly? And those are the pieces on the side. 149 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: That sort of hold it up. 150 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 5: They're on like they're like an angle almost. 151 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 7: Yes, that's what looks like the wings. It's like a wing, 152 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 7: like an L shape almost. That's outside, okay, and it 153 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 7: almost looks like it's part of another building because you 154 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 7: don't see that much anywhere else. And so so usually 155 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 7: and this is like definitive of Gothic architecture, which went 156 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 7: on to influence much more of Europe after Notre Dame 157 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 7: was completed. So you had like traditional structures I mean columns, 158 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 7: I should say columns and then a vaulted ceiling. But 159 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 7: one of the main features of Gothic architecture is the 160 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 7: stained glass, and like that was the innovative mark. The 161 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 7: hallmark feature of Notre Dame is these massive, very tall 162 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 7: stained glass windows. And so when you have that and 163 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 7: no stone, that means the wall is going to be 164 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 7: very weak. So how how could you hold up the ceiling? 165 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 7: Which is mind you like tons and tons and tons 166 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 7: of lumber and then lumber wrapped in lead, Like. 167 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: How would you hold that up? 168 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 7: So they devised these things called a flying buttress to 169 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 7: support the vaulted roof above to take to take the 170 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 7: weight off of the roof and then divide it down 171 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 7: diagonally and then vertically again back to the ground through 172 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 7: these buttresses, and that would allow internally to have it's 173 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 7: almost like a floating, floating roof, if you will. So 174 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 7: I'm sure the stained glass itself holds some of the 175 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 7: weight of the roof, but it definitely alleviates a lot 176 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 7: of it. And the point being is like, well, why 177 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 7: would you want to have large windows anyway? But they 178 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 7: believed in Christ saying like I'm the light of the world, 179 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 7: you know, so the more light comes in. And keep 180 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 7: in mind this is a time when there weren't bibles either, 181 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 7: so innovative techniques were more spiritual. 182 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: Really like they had hand tools. 183 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 7: Everything was done by hand, and you know, there was 184 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 7: also correlate with that, just no bibles aside from which 185 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 7: the clergy had at that time. So we didn't have 186 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 7: any cell phones, any resources to have one each person, 187 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 7: each individual walking around with your own bible, you know, 188 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 7: seeing that you could maybe interpret it however you want, 189 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 7: but that's not a tangent. 190 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: So so let's. 191 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 5: Get back to that roof a little bit. So, and 192 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 5: of course the roof is what burned. Tell me about 193 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 5: the roof? What was so special about it? 194 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: Well? 195 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 7: To me also, you know, as an adult, you know, 196 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 7: grown up as like, oh, flying buttresses. 197 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: But when I heard it was on fire, it really. 198 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 7: Really like, you know, hit me, hit me in the 199 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 7: in the chest, you know, because that's made of master 200 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 7: pieces of timber framing, interlocking. 201 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: Giant pieces of. 202 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 7: Wood that are also of old growth. And you know, 203 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 7: I didn't realize that at first. I thought for sure 204 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 7: it was a roof made out of stone, But I 205 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 7: think the reasoning behind it was that it would be 206 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 7: lighter and also able to hould the flying buttresses. Why 207 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 7: they why they use the wood in the first place. 208 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 7: But yes, and it's even referred to as the forest 209 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 7: because there was literally almost a whole entire forest used 210 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 7: in this construction of the roof. And you know, if 211 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 7: you don't know what old growth is like, old growth 212 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 7: is when the tree rings okay, like the tree rings 213 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 7: are very tight together. This creates denser, stronger trees and 214 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 7: generally they're over a century year old and they're not 215 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 7: from like a managed forest. That's why it's in you know, 216 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 7: high demand today because there's not much more of it. 217 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 7: And you'll see like memes online saying like there's a 218 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 7: two by four, then this is a two by four now, 219 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 7: And back then most of it was literally two inches 220 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 7: by four inches, but now it's inch and a half 221 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 7: three and a half. 222 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: But the rings on it. So when you have. 223 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 7: New growth, it's typically weaker wood. And so the roof 224 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 7: was made out of old growth timbers and very strong 225 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 7: like comparable to which these master builders decided to use 226 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 7: it anyway, and a lot of it was chosen because 227 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 7: of its strength, I mean, and nobody would really see it. 228 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: I believe it was mostly oak and just. 229 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 7: A very strong species to use. You. We'll see that 230 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 7: in churches as well. Most pews are made out of 231 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 7: it structural pieces. And uh yeah, so the roof was 232 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 7: made out of that. But also which is why it 233 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 7: would be a bit of a target, because wood burns easily, 234 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 7: much more easily than like solid marble. Nonetheless, though being 235 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 7: that it was old growth, it probably burnt slower. 236 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting you know, well, hey, why did 237 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: the roof catch on fire? 238 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 7: Like why are these organs Church organs being lit on fire? 239 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 7: Because they're made of wood. 240 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 5: That's fascinating. And I remember, you know, you're telling me 241 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 5: that for the first time a while back when this 242 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: all happened, and I didn't even realize that. And there 243 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 5: was a whole thing and we'll talk about it in 244 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 5: a little bit going forward here, but there was a 245 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 5: whole worry early on that perhaps they wouldn't even have 246 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 5: the wood to be able to replace the forest, because 247 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 5: those types of trees just don't exist anywhere in Europe anymore. 248 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 5: There's parts of Poland balley Stock Forest which are preserved 249 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 5: and other areas that are still medieval prehistoric forests, but 250 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 5: those types of old growth trees, you just can't find 251 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 5: them anywhere else. And so the loss of that was 252 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 5: a true loss to the world. And so this is 253 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 5: the information that we need to understand when going into 254 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 5: the truth about Metrodome. 255 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 4: Ladies. 256 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 5: John, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. It's 257 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 5: very clear what's going on here. Everything that you've seen 258 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 5: it boils down to. 259 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 7: This Human Events with Jack Pacobic. 260 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 5: It's so we are back the chronicles of the Christians, 261 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 5: the truth about Notre Dame. So just a couple of 262 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 5: points that I wanted to get into some more about 263 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 5: Notre Dame. 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I guess that you were telling 290 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 5: me about the the woodworkers and specifically about those beams 291 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 5: that people didn't even realize this, but all the way 292 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 5: up in the highest parts of the rafters there were 293 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: designs carved on the beams themselves. 294 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 7: Isn't that right, Yes, that's right. You'll see nowadays people 295 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 7: will just like sign your signature on like a two 296 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 7: by four stud or something. 297 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: And put it in a wall. 298 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 7: But back then, yeah, so there was carvings in the 299 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 7: beams in the rafters. 300 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: And what we've seen is that people. 301 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 7: Would question, well, this is just a catwalk. I can 302 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 7: barely get through here in candlelight, like, why would anybody 303 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 7: do that? Why would anybody continue to do that? As 304 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 7: long as you can see the facade, you know, and 305 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 7: it's replicated in more and more open timber framing in 306 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 7: other churches. But on further inspection when you look at 307 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 7: it on the top which faces the ceiling, like more 308 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 7: carvings would be revealed and found. And you know, why 309 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 7: would somebody do that now being seen by you know, 310 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 7: the parish assembly below. 311 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: And it's because, you know, the carvers. 312 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 7: Would say, like, well, even if anybody else doesn't see it, 313 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 7: God still sees it, and God still hears my prayers. 314 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: And I've I've that's great, that's great. 315 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 5: So even though the carvers said, the carver said, why 316 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 5: would you carve the top? And they said, because God 317 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 5: sees it. This when I when I think about the 318 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 5: just the construction of Notre Dame, and we've talked about 319 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 5: this throughout the series, but these were people who very 320 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 5: seriously believed in God, They very seriously believed in their faith, 321 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 5: they believed in Christ, and they believed they were making 322 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 5: these great works for the glorification of God. One of 323 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 5: the reasons that they have the high vaulted ceilings in 324 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 5: the first place. This is just one little piece that 325 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 5: I know, and credit to Tanya Tay for that, because 326 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 5: she's the one who told me that one of the 327 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 5: reasons that they have the arched ceilings is that when 328 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 5: you walk in, it makes you look up, so you're 329 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 5: looking up to God, you're looking up above and you know, 330 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 5: the idea that it was made so many years ago, 331 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 5: instituted by the Bishop of Paris at the time. He 332 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 5: went over and of course got role support, but also 333 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 5: a lot of people just from the Parisians. The Parisians 334 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 5: went in on this and they viewed it as a 335 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 5: worthy work and something that a lot of people don't realize, 336 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 5: keV is that it You know, they talk about the 337 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 5: fact that it it took many years to build. But 338 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 5: you've talked to me about the concept of multi generational 339 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 5: construs struction. How did that play out and what does 340 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 5: that mean? 341 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 7: Well, it played out over a series of bishops, and 342 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 7: you know, bishops would clearly oversee the construction because they 343 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 7: were you know, any bishop is in control of the 344 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 7: finances of any kind of dioces. But yeah, aside from that, 345 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 7: very different architects over the years famous Frenchman began with 346 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 7: Bishop Maurice de Sully for the first ninety odd years, 347 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 7: I mean, and then Jean Dechell second, Pierre du Montreux, 348 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 7: Pierre Dechelle, John Ravi, Pierre de Montreux as well. So 349 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 7: of all these again it's just those were you know, 350 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 7: off and on. They all didn't have like a specific 351 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 7: time frame to be there working on the project, but 352 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 7: each one was credited with at least getting like one level. 353 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 7: I believe there's like four different sections, and one builder 354 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 7: would was in charge of like the columns and then 355 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 7: the first floor, and then a lot of them did 356 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 7: do work on the nave actually that is like the 357 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 7: roof and the arch, the top up until around the 358 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 7: French Revolution when it started to become a little a 359 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 7: little decrepit and you know, forgotten about, and the upkeep 360 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 7: generally wasn't that great. But yeah, the multi generationalness of it, 361 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 7: I don't know it it's like I said, it's just 362 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 7: a giant commitment to It's one thing that you know, 363 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 7: like where's your goal, Like is it based on getting 364 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 7: a certain amount done in your lifetime? But just even 365 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 7: having like you're like committing your life to the job 366 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 7: it's just an amazing it's amazing commitment. 367 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 8: And yeah, come in people who would come in, who 368 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 8: would work their entire life on it, and they themselves 369 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 8: knew that it wouldn't even be seen in their lifetime 370 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 8: the end of it, that they would keep going and 371 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 8: that eventually it would be passed on to the next generation. 372 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 5: And they talk about how that is a sign of 373 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 5: a healthy civilization, a civilization that builds things for the 374 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 5: future and for future generations, even when it doesn't directly 375 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 5: defend or doesn't directly support them in the near term. 376 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 5: And so you know when I look at things like that, 377 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 5: and yeah, you mentioned the revolution, and people will remember 378 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 5: in the Chronicles of the Revolution series last year and 379 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 5: in the book Unhumans, History of Communist Revolutions out across 380 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 5: them that we talked about how the Fire of Notre Dame, 381 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 5: and I want to talk about that in the next segment. 382 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 5: But the Fire of Notre Dame was not the first 383 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 5: time that that it was destroyed, and one of the 384 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 5: first attacks on the cathedral of Notre Dame. This predates, 385 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: so predates the Napoleon coronation, that predates the Hunchback of 386 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 5: Notre Dame was actually during the you know, the late 387 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 5: seventeen nineties when Notredame Cathedral was attacked. The statues of 388 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 5: the Twelve Kings of Israel, which are outside lining the facade, 389 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: they were smashed, a lot of the stained glass was smashed. 390 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 5: But during this time the relics that were inside. One 391 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 5: of the main relics, just as was saved during the 392 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 5: Fire of twenty nineteen, was the Crown of Thorns, and 393 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 5: it is the Crown of Thorns that is believed to 394 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 5: have been saved from the Crusades, from the Caliphate, from 395 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: the from the hordes that were marching across the Holy Land, 396 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 5: that they saved it and the Crusader knights brought it 397 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 5: back and put it in Notre Dame first keeping, which 398 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 5: is similar to what we talked about in the previous episode, 399 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 5: and the Shroud of Turin and its journey across the 400 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 5: across the Holy Land and then the Middle East and 401 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 5: then across Europe, and so with the church itself. Though 402 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: the French Revolution people don't realize this. It was completely atheist. 403 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 5: It was very anti Christian, it was very anti priest, 404 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 5: it was anti nun. They were executing nuns at one 405 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 5: point in Paris and the cathedral of Notre Dame was 406 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 5: converted from a Christian cathedral at the time to a 407 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 5: temple to reason and where only science and reason could 408 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 5: be worshiped. keV, does that sound a little little similar 409 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 5: to anything to you? 410 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 7: Only what only science and reason could be used? 411 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 5: Only science and reason? Yeah, right, kind of like, oh, 412 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 5: I don't know. Reddit and the secular left today are 413 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 5: the exact same as the secular left of the French Revolution. 414 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: There's nothing under the sun. And so you got you 415 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 5: got to understand that this wasn't even the first time. 416 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 5: And then so Napoleon comes back at the end of 417 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 5: the revolution. He gets in and is able. Napoleon gets 418 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 5: in and is able to completely restore it. He has 419 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 5: it reconsecrated with the church. He becomes in with the church, 420 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 5: he's coronated there as not just the king, but as 421 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 5: the Emperor of France. And of course people know how 422 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 5: that story goes after it. But then it falls into 423 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 5: disrepair yet again, and it's really through the novel. It's 424 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 5: through Victor Hugo's great novel The Hunchback of Notre Dame. 425 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 5: Many years later, Victor Hugo, of course, Ultra also wrote 426 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 5: Les mis depicting France during the time of Napoleonic Wars. 427 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 5: That really after the hunchback of Notre Dame comes out, 428 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 5: that's when Notre Dame takes on its character as this 429 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 5: beloved national symbol. By the way, Notre Dame isn't even 430 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 5: the largest cathedral in Paris. It's certainly not the largest 431 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 5: one in France. But there's something about it being at 432 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: the heart, at this central beating heart of France, which 433 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 5: makes it at the central beating heart of Western civilization. 434 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 5: Of course, World War Two also happened. Charles de Gaul 435 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 5: was almost by the way, when the French liberated Paris 436 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 5: after the Nazi occupation. Charles de Gaul was almost assassinated 437 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 5: there by Nazi sharpshooters, but he said, I am going 438 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 5: to mass at the Cathedral de Notre Dame de Parti, 439 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 5: and he demanded that he would go to mass, even 440 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 5: as they were still German sharpshooters in the city, and 441 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: a couple of them almost actually killed Charles de Gaul 442 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 5: as he was going to the Notre Dame for mass. 443 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 5: And so you just look at so many of the 444 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: pieces of Western civilization, Western history. Christendom Christian history that 445 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 5: are all directly tied up with the cathedral, the Notre Dame. 446 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: Let's make them wonder. 447 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 5: Let's squeeze them for a change instead of them constantly 448 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 5: squeezing us. And then finally we rally around President Trump. 449 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: We surround him with support. 450 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 5: All right, Jack Posobic, back here the chronicles of the Christians, 451 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 5: the truth about Notre Dame keV. I'm thinking, I'm thinking 452 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 5: we need to actually get into the fire. Do you 453 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 5: think it's time the Jentuary fire? Yeah, I know that's big, 454 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 5: so and so. Look, I'm just going to say it 455 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 5: right out. I don't buy the initial story. I don't 456 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 5: buy the official story at all. I think it's a joke. 457 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 5: I think it's hilarious. I remember they one of the 458 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 5: first things they said was, oh, this was definitely not Arson, 459 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 5: this was definitely not terrorism. But they said that before 460 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 5: they conducted before they conducted any actual explanation or any investigation. 461 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 5: They didn't dig into anything. They just right right away 462 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 5: said oh, there's no no Arson whatever. And so I've 463 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 5: got a list. I'm going to go through this list 464 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 5: right now. Twenty nineteen, The Saint Jacques Church in Grenoble, France, 465 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 5: in January twenty nineteen was the site of attempted arson attack. 466 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 5: In February twenty nineteen, the Saint Elain Cathedral in Lvore 467 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 5: was the target of an arsen attack, where the altar 468 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 5: cloth was burned and crosses in statues were smashed. The 469 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 5: Saint Sul Peace Church in Paris. In Paris, in March 470 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, another significant church in Paris was set on fire. 471 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 5: The incident was confirmed to be arson, with the fire 472 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 5: starting from a pile of clothes outside of the church. 473 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 5: And then even as recent as September twenty twenty four, 474 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 5: the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Saint Ohmaer, France, 475 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 5: a historic church, was completely destroyed by an arson attack. 476 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 5: The suspect in that, Joel Vigerou, known for similar acts, 477 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 5: was arrested following the incident. Look, we know that throughout Okay, 478 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 5: throughout France, throughout Paris, there have been church burnings that 479 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 5: have gone on, specifically in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, 480 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 5: many of which were targeted and linked directly to radical Islamists, 481 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 5: and suggesting a pattern that I believe would extend to 482 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 5: the Notre Dame Cathedral. And yet we just keep getting told, oh, 483 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 5: it was like some faulty electric wiring, and the faulty 484 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 5: wiring or a cigarette, and yet they haven't actually produced 485 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 5: anything that would show us that. And they say, oh, 486 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: there were some repairs going on and it was probably 487 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 5: one of the workers. It's no big deal. And yet 488 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 5: let's also go back because the timing of this right April, 489 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 5: what was happening in April of twenty nineteen, It was 490 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 5: Holy Week. It was the very start of Holy Week 491 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 5: of Easter in twenty nineteen. This is the most important 492 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 5: week for Christians of the entire year. And no, I'm sorry, 493 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 5: it's not a conspiracy theory. It is not a wild 494 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 5: speculation to talk about this. We are giving you specifics 495 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 5: as to what we're going on. So Kevin, let me 496 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 5: ask you as someone who look, you know what you're 497 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 5: talking about. I would go so far as to say 498 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 5: you're an expert in this field. Given everything you said, 499 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 5: the old growth lined in lead, do you really think 500 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 5: that just some electrical wiring and or like a cigarette 501 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 5: would be enough to set the entire roof of Notre 502 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 5: Dama blaze. 503 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 7: No, I don't think it would be. I don't think 504 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 7: it would be enough, honestly, But you know, I'm interested 505 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 7: to know about any of the any of the scaffolding 506 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 7: and safety measures and maybe if there was any like 507 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 7: treatment of the wood as it was as it was 508 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 7: on there, because if you ever worked with any kind 509 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: of wood, you would know that many of the finishing 510 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 7: chemicals that you use, or any stains, they're highly flammable. 511 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 7: So instead of outright, uh, pouring gasoline on wood, what's 512 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 7: another way to light wood on fire is but to 513 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 7: put lacquer maybe or some kind of other stain or 514 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 7: protective coating to increase the sustainability over time, whatever they 515 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 7: might need to use, coat the beams with, and you know, 516 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 7: maybe it could just be placed up there for safe 517 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 7: keeping while the reconstruction is happening or I'm sorry, while 518 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 7: the repairs at the time in twenty nineteen were happened. 519 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 7: And that's that's a plausible theory. I don't know exactly 520 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 7: what techniques. 521 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 5: Well, so let me just make sure, maybe just make 522 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 5: sure I understand what you're saying though, is you're saying 523 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 5: that some of the materials that could have been used, 524 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 5: that could have been up there in use for the 525 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 5: actual restoration, or some of the repair work that was 526 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 5: being done. Those materials could also have been themselves accelerants 527 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 5: for the fire, and so and again, you know, if 528 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 5: someone were there who had a you know, who had 529 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 5: ulterior motives, someone who wanted to do something like this 530 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 5: as we saw again, and I just went through the 531 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 5: list of so many, so many churches that were burned 532 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 5: and have been burned and are still being burned in 533 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 5: France by radical Islamis as well as leftists. 534 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: That you know it. 535 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 5: It really really, I think requires just a healthy dose 536 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 5: of salt to sit there and say, oh, well, yeah, 537 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 5: it's known all of the churches, but this one. All 538 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 5: of the churches, but the biggest one. I mean, come on, 539 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 5: it's a joke. 540 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 7: I mean, Jack, we're coming around Christmas time here, right, 541 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 7: and we recall, I believe it was the same year, 542 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 7: if not twenty twenty, there was a report from New 543 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 7: York City from Saint Patrick's Cathedral where a man there's 544 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 7: a week later, we're going into the cathedral with two 545 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 7: like red gallons of gasoline. 546 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, the gas cans. 547 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 7: Or it was clearly, uh would not need any any 548 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 7: reason to do that or ever be in like any 549 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 7: public square for that matter, with just random gasoline. And 550 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 7: so it's yeah that that it was. It was very 551 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 7: recently after a Notre Dame, so you know, and I 552 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 7: wanted to make a point too that like if you're 553 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 7: up there during the construction and the scaffoldings there and 554 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 7: you're working on the roof sometimes because I was also 555 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 7: doing some work myself with the parish. I used to 556 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 7: attend outside of Philadelphia the Latin mass and we were 557 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 7: getting all like pure slate replacement over the roof. So 558 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 7: one of the requests from the builders was to build 559 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 7: catwalks inside. And anyways, if you're going to replace slate, 560 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 7: you have to take off the slate, opening a hole. 561 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 7: And what does fire need to accelerate is more oxygen, 562 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 7: so if the air comes in, you know, that could 563 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 7: have been another another angle to it. And also suspicion 564 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 7: leads me to you know, there was no cameras. Really, 565 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 7: why wouldn't you have cameras in twenty nineteen just around 566 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 7: No Tre Dame. You know, there's there's just there's no again, 567 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 7: no documented evidence like, oh, we weren't sure there might 568 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 7: have been cameras on this caffolding for the construction safety, 569 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 7: but we don't really remember now if there no Tree 570 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 7: Dame ever had its own just security cameras, like it's 571 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 7: basically a World Heritage site, one of the wonders of 572 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 7: the world, and to not have its own security cameras, 573 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 7: or just like a live stream, you know, Dad just 574 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 7: loves that'll go on like live streams of the beach 575 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 7: and just like watch the waves at you could watch 576 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 7: a live. 577 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 5: Feet And there were some streams that I saw people 578 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 5: have pulling up from like downtown Paris or you know, 579 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 5: going to that area and you know, looking at stuff 580 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 5: and they could see people walking around up there and look, 581 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 5: it's just something. By the way, Michelle Obama, Michelle Obama 582 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 5: going down the river right, so going down the sand 583 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: right at the same time, she's got that little champagne 584 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 5: flute and she's got her you know, she's got it 585 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 5: up and she's sipping it and you feel it looks 586 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 5: like you could see the smoke being reflected in the 587 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 5: very glass itself. I'm like, guys, something is suspicious here. 588 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 5: I feel like we know what's going on. And I 589 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 5: feel and I'm just gonna say it, I feel like 590 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 5: whatever was and will I will always believe this and 591 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 5: no one will ever be able to change my mind 592 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 5: on it that whoever was the person that started that 593 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 5: fire number one, it was done deliberately, and it wasn't 594 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 5: just an act of human hands. It was a demonic act. 595 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 5: It was clearly an act of demons against one of 596 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 5: the most central beating hearts of Christendom, one that has 597 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 5: stood for again almost a thousand years, and they were 598 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,479 Speaker 5: trying to destroy the entire thing. That's why Notre Dame 599 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 5: is so important. That's why restoring it is so important, 600 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 5: because if you understand the big fight that's going on, 601 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 5: if you understand the higher level fight, the higher level 602 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 5: and the deeper war that are going on, you understand 603 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 5: why the reconstruction and the ringing of the bells of 604 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 5: Notre Dame. And they say that the ringing of consecrated 605 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 5: bells wards off demons. That is why it is so important. 606 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 5: And they first rang the day after President Trump's election 607 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four. Kind of interesting, kind of interesting, 608 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 5: don't know what it means. 609 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. 610 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,760 Speaker 5: So here we are Jack Pasobic and Kevin Pisobic. Final 611 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 5: segment not just of the truth about Notre Dame, but 612 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 5: also the final segment of the Chronicles of the Christians, 613 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 5: and who knows, maybe we'll do some more episodes on 614 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 5: this we can. You know, there's certainly quite a bit 615 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 5: of Christian history. But we started with the rise of Christianity. 616 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 5: We covered how it spread throughout Europe, and we dispelled 617 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 5: a lot of the myths that people were forced to 618 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 5: convert to Christianity, that actually it was something that spread organically. 619 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 5: We covered the Crusades and we debunked the myths that 620 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 5: the Crusades were an invasion of the Middle East, and 621 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 5: in fact, it was a response to what was going on, 622 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 5: and it was done at the behest of the Eastern 623 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 5: Orthodox Church that was being overrun in Byzantium, by the 624 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 5: Caliphate and the Muslim hordes, the ones that had been 625 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 5: attacking Europe Obe and Christendom, oh by the way, all 626 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 5: the way back as early as seven hundred a d 627 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 5: in Spain, not to mention sweeping across all of North Africa. 628 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 5: And then we also covered the Shroud of Turin and 629 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 5: the new scientific data, the scientific data behind the Shroud 630 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 5: of Turin that gives us a lot of information saying 631 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 5: that this thing is two thousand years old and it 632 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 5: was dated to the time of the Battle of Masada. 633 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 5: Using a piece of the cloth from the Battle of 634 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 5: Masada wrapping it up, we got to the Notre Dame 635 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 5: and the importance of the Notre Dame. Kevin, you know, 636 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 5: just zoom out a little bit here. Why is it 637 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 5: important for Christians to know their history? This history that 638 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 5: is totally untold and totally kept hidden from us. 639 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 7: Why is it important for Christians remember in their history? 640 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you. 641 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 7: Don't know where you come from, you don't know who 642 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 7: you are. And if you don't know who you are, 643 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 7: how the will you know where you're going? And yeah, 644 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 7: it's important. It's important because it's like the commitment to it, 645 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 7: to the building to the faith. You know, that's what 646 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 7: Christ himself did for us, the sacrifices life. And you know, 647 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 7: what greater love can you have than to lay down 648 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 7: your life for your brother. 649 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,879 Speaker 1: And it's important for. 650 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 7: Christians to realize because that's what connects us. It's it 651 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 7: connects us back to tradition, to family, the nuclear family works, 652 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 7: community works, fellowshipping works, you know, fraternity works, men with 653 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 7: other men, you know, and women with women. That's what 654 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 7: I see a lot in the traditional Latinsk community today, 655 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 7: and that can go back even to like guilds in 656 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 7: medieval times, like you did have. It's basically like unions now, 657 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 7: but back then you would have stone cutters, stone masons, 658 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 7: basically like living together. And then you know that why 659 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,919 Speaker 7: how else could you get better at your craft if 660 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 7: not just maybe not like live together, but live on 661 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 7: the same street and hang out together all the time. 662 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: Same with many other craftsmen you have, like. 663 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 7: Of course the woodworkers and the stained glass stained glass guys, 664 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 7: they would just stick together and through that that's like 665 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 7: a Christian a Christian principle too of commitment and perseverance. 666 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 7: So it speaks the discipline as well. You know, go 667 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 7: to church every Sunday. You know, there's repetition in like 668 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 7: Rosary for instance, like why you say, have so many 669 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 7: hail maries this and that? But it builds repetition, it 670 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 7: builds routine, and those are things that are directed towards 671 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 7: success in life and prosperity. And it's worked for hundreds 672 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 7: and hundreds of years so far. So it's something the 673 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,720 Speaker 7: French clearly believed in, and they also believed in beauty really, 674 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 7: so I wanted to talk about earlier with the whole 675 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 7: lack of like literacy back then, one of the things 676 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 7: championed was art itself, because even if you couldn't read, 677 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,959 Speaker 7: you could still admire and cherish, really like these fantastic 678 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 7: symmetrical patterns of like the rosette windows and the symmetry 679 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 7: of the two towers, and just the awe inspiringness of it, 680 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 7: and you know, the the majesty of God himself. 681 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: You know, look at this great way. 682 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 5: And that's a great point, because the cathedrals are our 683 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 5: direct link in so many ways to our history as Christians, 684 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 5: and so as you're saying, there's a reason that so 685 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 5: many people from all around the world go and visit 686 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 5: these things every single year, and people who aren't even 687 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 5: from the Christian faith, but they recognize it for what 688 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 5: it is. And to your point, you know, we don't, 689 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,720 Speaker 5: even as Christians, sit and take the time to really 690 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 5: appreciate all of the work that went into these and certainly, 691 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 5: you know, Notre Dame is just one of many, many, 692 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 5: many cathedrals throughout the world. It is i would say, 693 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 5: probably the most iconic cathedral in the world. You know, 694 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 5: you could debate between that one or Saint Peter's, but 695 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 5: you know, this is a huge, actual part of history. 696 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 5: Eight Saint Peter's by, like I think, almost five hundred 697 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 5: years or so. And you know, one thing that blew 698 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 5: my mind earlier this week, you know, just studying about this, 699 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,239 Speaker 5: was that the Notre Dame predates the Aztec Empire. It 700 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 5: predates so many things around the world, and yet we 701 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 5: sit there and act like, oh, these things were taken 702 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 5: for granted, and we as Christians should never take our 703 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 5: history for granted. What do you think, keV. 704 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 7: Well, I gotta say, I mean, I could give a 705 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 7: whole podcast about old growth. But one fun fact is, 706 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 7: like they were old growth at the time, so eight 707 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 7: hundred years ago, those beams were also hundreds. 708 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:39,959 Speaker 1: Of years old. 709 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 7: So you speak that it's older than the Aztecs, that 710 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 7: would itself probably over a thousand years old. 711 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 5: And amen, yeah, folks would yeah, no, that's it's it's amazing. 712 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,640 Speaker 5: And again we could go on and on, because folks, 713 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 5: with this series, the Chronicles of the Christians, the goal 714 00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 5: always was and always was just to give you an 715 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 5: understanding that there is such a broad history of the Christians, 716 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 5: of the Christian people, and the Chronicles of the Christians 717 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 5: was put together with that in mind to give you 718 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 5: the respect and also, by the way, give you the 719 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 5: inspiration of knowing that you stand on the shoulders of 720 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,359 Speaker 5: so many who came before you. But also you have 721 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 5: a duty to preserve this history and to preserve our 722 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 5: religion for the next generations of the Christians yet to come. 723 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, you have my permission to lay assure