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Speaker 1: long underwear as pants, and it's gotten to the point

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00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: where like it's becoming a problem because because I don't

428
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: want to take them off. So then I started to

429
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store in the long underwear pants

430
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: and we're starting to slow to get to the point

431
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: where maybe the long underwear pants need to go in

432
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: the track. But they're so comfortable though, But comfort cash

433
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: a comfort, I mean, dude, yes, But I feel like

434
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: you're a very fabulous person. You always look fucking cool.

435
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: So I feel like, and I haven't seen you in

436
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: a picture with with a long underwear, but text me

437
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: a picture, but I am like certain that you make

438
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: them look really cool and intentional and like, I appreciate.

439
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: I appreciate your faith in me, and you're very kind.

440
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: I was watching last night. I had to tell you

441
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: your um short the birthday Party. Oh yeah, is so

442
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: it's so funny? Oh? Thanks? Is that sick that I

443
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: think it's funny. I I intended it as a comedy

444
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: because I don't like horror movies. But I got commissioned somehow.

445
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: I still don't know how they asked me, but they did. So.

446
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're giving me money that I don't have

447
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: to pay back to make something. Okay, that's not how

448
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: it works in the music business. Um. So I did it. Yeah,

449
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: and it was so fun. I was just trying to

450
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: make like a dark comedy. It was hilarious. Thanks, but yeah,

451
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: it was really fun to make. Everyone listening should go

452
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: watch it on Hulu. It's called the XX like Anthology. Yeah,

453
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: horror Anthology. It's dark, but it's funny and it's like

454
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of it's like scary, but not in like, um,

455
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: not in like a grotesque kind of way. Um. I'm

456
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of like blood and guts. I

457
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: had the weirdest dreams last night. I was watching your

458
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: short and then I just was like watching a bunch

459
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: of scary things because it's fun to scare myself. But

460
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: then I get really scared and have bad dreams. So

461
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I had these dreams of people just getting like blown

462
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: up into pieces, and I I'm not a fan of

463
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: the violent kind of horror. I. Oh, what was I

464
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: going to ask you? Oh, I was going to ask

465
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: you if you have performance dreams where like I'm supposed

466
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to be on stage in five minutes and and I

467
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: don't have the outfit, the outfit hasn't come yet, or

468
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff. I have those dreams all

469
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: the time. But that must be like your anxiety. Yeah, yeah,

470
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: that's that's a recurring one of like just I'm supposed

471
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: to be on stage and something I don't have something right,

472
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't know the songs. I just I have no like, um,

473
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: no shame anymore. Honestly, that's ultimate freedom, no shame, ultimate freedom.

474
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think to be a musician

475
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: you kind of have to, like, at least for me,

476
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a mean thing I have to, like

477
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: I have to just let myself go over the line

478
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: of two stupid. And that's sometimes where like the genius

479
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: lads where like it's just too much for sure. Yeah,

480
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: you just have to do you just go for it,

481
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to jump up this building. I'm not

482
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: sure if I'm gonna land, but I'm not sure if

483
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like land, not in sixty pieces, but I'm

484
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna jump. I feel like that's your records. Definitely feel

485
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: like you just go into a whole like different planet.

486
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like time travel when I listen

487
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: to music. Thank you, Bud, it's uh, it's do you

488
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: look back on the work that you've done. Very often,

489
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't like once it's done and I've like toward it,

490
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like go back and listen to stuff.

491
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I think probably for the same reason, like I'm afraid

492
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: it won't be good, and I just do like, oh,

493
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: I can't deal with it if it's um embarrassing, so

494
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: I'll just let it, let it live on its own.

495
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: I definitely feel that way. And sometimes when I accidentally

496
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: hear my old music, I won't even recognize my voice. WHOA.

497
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: Then I'll see like or I'll hear a song I

498
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: did when I was seventeen and be like, oh my god,

499
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: that's so embarrassing. You were just so incredibly brave to

500
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: be so young and having all those eyes on you.

501
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: I was like thirty something before anybody cared. So it's

502
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: just different, you know. No, I just kind of feel like,

503
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: once your first album and then you go on the

504
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: tour cycle and it's like tour, make music, put it out, tour,

505
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: and you're on that. It's just what you do. It's

506
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: what you're conditioned to do. Then all of a sudden,

507
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: when it came to a pause this year, it was

508
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: the first time I was like, wait, what do I like?

509
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: What would the music be like that? If I just

510
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: made exactly the kind of music I truly in my

511
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: heart like love like I love, And I think that's

512
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: kind of given me the like the panic attack, because

513
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever live of up to someone

514
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: like David Byrne. Worked with David Byrne, went on tour

515
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: with him. He's like the crazy, craziest genius. He's wonderful.

516
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: I love him so much. I mean it seems like

517
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: I would just I think I would be too scared

518
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: to even like meet him. That's just so cool. I

519
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: remained scared until even after all the touring was over.

520
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how I look back on

521
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: certain things of like, oh my god, I worked with David,

522
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: like that's I wish I could relive it. Honestly, I

523
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: wish I could really relive it with less um personal

524
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: turmoil and angst and fear, just of like the whole process. Yeah,

525
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: and it was so wonderful. It's like there are so few,

526
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, there's not that many tours I think I

527
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: wish I could do again. But that's when I really

528
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: wish I could do again, because it was just joyful.

529
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: What do you have tours the you wish you could

530
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: do again? In one conflicting things, So in one dimension,

531
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason, right, So that's like one

532
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: possibility in which case everything led to this moment. The good,

533
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly, the really fucking embarrassing, all of

534
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: it led to this moment. But then I also look

535
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, there were some really fun moments,

536
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: especially before I injured myself. Injured myself really bad on

537
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: stage and what happened. I tore my I tore my

538
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: a c L on stage in Dubai, which it was

539
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: not the most fun thing. I'll be honest, but I

540
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: didn't know I tore my a c L, so I

541
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: just played. I finished the show. Was the adrenaline just

542
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: so much that you were like, I'm chilling, I'm still dancing. Well, yeah,

543
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: but only one leg would work, so every time I

544
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: would like lean on the left leg, I would just

545
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: fall over. So all of a sudden, TMZ got a

546
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: video of me falling over and making fun of me,

547
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: and the reviews came in. It's like, what a disappointment,

548
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, God, damn it, I just finished

549
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: a whole, like ninety minutes show on a leg that

550
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: is not connected. Yeah, layoff you that that is a feat.

551
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: That is a feat. No pun intended to be able

552
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: to still perform a ninety minute show with a bomb

553
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: mass leg. I mean, that's unbelievable. You deserve a medal

554
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: for that ship. I at least don't deserve a bad review.

555
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to write them a personal note, but I

556
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: was like, don't do that, don't get into the pettiness. Like,

557
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know, I'm more excited about what is

558
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: going to happen in the future. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

559
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, well, according to the Wizard, the Earth is

560
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: just trying to tell us something like we need to

561
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: have a better relationship and like listen to like the

562
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: mother Earth more, which that resonated with me. And after

563
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: talking to this wizard for two hours, I'm now considering

564
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: looking into paganism because it all sounds really lovely. Oh yeah,

565
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it seems so like just deeply

566
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: connected to the Earth and like honoring the cycles and

567
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: living sort of in accordance with that. Is that I

568
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: might be totally from what little I've looked into it,

569
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. But I definitely am like leaning

570
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: more towards the nurturing of the earth and just the

571
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: everything is oneness. I don't know. That's like where my

572
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: psychedelic trips this quarantine have led me. I feel you.

573
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I look forward to a time when the

574
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: human conversation is more constructive, like more like, oh, I'm

575
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: listening to you, and I'm understanding your point of view,

576
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: and here's my point of view. And let's allow for

577
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, there's like a multitude of

578
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: experiences and twenty people will see the same event twenty

579
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: different ways, and like just everybody projecting onto everything. I

580
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: just I want there to be like a little bit more, um,

581
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: just intelligence and empathy and how we talk to each other.

582
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: Chaos is a wonderful distraction from having to just be,

583
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: which I'm super guilty of, like loving a good like

584
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: getting distracted by whatever. Um. But I've never been one

585
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: that enjoys making other people feel bad. That's just not

586
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: my drug of choice. UM. So I don't understand that.

587
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: And we're also both songwriters, and I feel like to

588
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: be a songwriter you must be emotional. So to be emotional,

589
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: like you can just tell in your lyrics that like

590
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: you feel. And so if you're not like a sociopath

591
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: and you're feeling feelings and empathize for other people, that's

592
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: a really positive thing and it's good for the world.

593
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: It's so it's I think music is like how do

594
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: I put this without it sounding like the cheesiest shit ever.

595
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: It's like interpreting what the earth is and like the

596
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: stars and my whole experience here is like vibrating on,

597
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: like the energy level and vibrating on. That's the kind

598
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: of music. I mean, completely understand what you're saying, but

599
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: like your guitar tones and stuff, like they make me

600
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: feel deeply so satisfied. Oh thanks, O there, like you

601
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: have the not to but you have the sexiest guitar tones.

602
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks, They're so good. I don't know how

603
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: you find them. I don't who knows. One of those

604
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: crazy mysteries about guitar is kind of like the softer

605
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: you play, the more tone you get in certain ways,

606
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I know if I haven't sung

607
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, like I'm not like in

608
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: my body in a certain way. You know, you just

609
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: like sing and it's it's like from your stomach and

610
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: you're like, oh okay, I'm okay now, Yes, it's soothing

611
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: to me. Like when I'm eating something I really like,

612
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: I'll just start singing and not even know I'm doing it. Oh. Really,

613
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: Like if I'm just really enjoying myself and very strange

614
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: different ways, I'll just be I'll start humming if I'm

615
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: really happy. That's what a wonderful like expression. I have

616
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: a question about the new stuff that you're making, Like

617
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: what is what is the stuff that you're like, Ah,

618
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: this is my fucking vibration. I want to run and

619
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: do this. I'm so excited to know what that is.

620
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: Because I like, I feel like I got a taste

621
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: of that like punk spirit. It's almost this amalgamation of

622
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: all the kinds of music I like, which would be

623
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: like punk rock and country because I'm from the South.

624
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: And then just like I love the Beach Boys and

625
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: I just love like super pop songs, and so it's

626
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: just and I love David Byrnon's Talking Heads and also

627
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: David Bowie and Prince and I feel like we have

628
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: some of the similar people we look up to, at

629
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: least from what I read about you. Yeah, I mean

630
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: that's everybody. You know what you mentioned country and I

631
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: kind of like a showed country music when I was

632
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: living in Texas and I was like, oh this isn't

633
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: that's this corny or whatever. I've I don't know why

634
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: I was such an idiot, but I have gone back

635
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: and like the songwriting in country music. It's just everything

636
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: like it's an air tight it's perfect song. And you

637
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Speaker 1: would kill I mean all the influences that you're talking about,

638
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: combining them all like you would kill it. I just

639
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: want to try it. I'm scared. But if it sucks,

640
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: then you just don't put it out right, Yeah, you

641
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: don't put it out, and also like, it's good that

642
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: you're scared. It's good that you aren't sure what's going

643
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: to happen. I feel like I do weirdly well under pressure.

644
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's just me or other people

645
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: too too, you know, I think some people, But do

646
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: you were better under pressure? No? I think the answer

647
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: is like I can sort of do it, but it's

648
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: not I usually I'm like pretty methodical. I guess so boring.

649
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: Oh god, I need Oh no, I that's not boring.

650
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: That's great, I like need chaos. That's terribly unhealthy. Oh no,

651
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just a way. I guess. I

652
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: just like like being scared. I think that's like one

653
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: of the things I've learned about myself as all, like

654
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: watch a terrifying movie and be like why did I

655
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: do that? Have crazy dreams, be like, well you did

656
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: it to yourself fit But okay, I have like some

657
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: really like rapid fire questions. So if you don't like

658
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: any of them, just you can pass if And when

659
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Speaker 1: you're a ghost, if you become a ghost, how will

660
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: people know it's you? Like, what will be your style

661
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: of hunting? What's your thing you would do I would

662
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: probably move people's keys. Oh that's so evil. Oh, it's

663
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: like it's more evil than you know, like writing something

664
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Speaker 1: in blood on the wall. Just they think they'd put

665
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: their keys when place and I just I hied him

666
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: next to the zip blocks. That's so, that's so dark.

667
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: These dark impulses within the human spirit cannot be contained.

668
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna pull people's socks down in their

669
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: shoe every time they're wearing them. Oh that just Oh

670
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: that's great, Okay, great. Who would you haunt? See? This

671
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: is tricky because like I am doing like a malicious thing,

672
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: So I have to haunt somebody who I didn't like

673
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: to hide their keys. I mean, it's not really malicious.

674
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: It's a pretty friendly haunting. It's annoying, let's say, annoying,

675
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 1: bordering on egregious. Um, I might haunt my sister. She's

676
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: always losing her keys. That's good, watch out, sister. Would

677
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: you prefer to be abducted by the aliens that I

678
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: swear to God are coming soon or spend a night

679
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: alone in a truly haunted house? I mean, I think

680
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: it's probably wrong to assume that like and in life

681
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: force would have a bad intent to humanity, like maybe

682
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: they just like, you know, want to give you a

683
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: massage and you know, feed you alien food. But I

684
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: would say the Haunted House because I'm you know a

685
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: lot of people like would want to go to the

686
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: moon or would want to go to Mars, Like, I'm fine,

687
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to that's so weird. You're like my

688
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: boyfriend he like is like, I don't want to go.

689
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why I don't want There's there's I

690
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: think you can divide the world into people who like

691
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: I would want to go and people who wouldn't, and

692
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, not good, it's fine here. So I think

693
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I would choose the Haunted House.

694
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: That's I think. I'm just really impulsive and I would

695
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: like get on a spaceship and then halfway to wherever,

696
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh no, where what did I do?

697
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: I think that you're brave and cool and that's why

698
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: you would do it an adventurous in a way that

699
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm not. That's not true. You're quite brave and adventurous.

700
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: We adventured to Taylor Swift's house together. That was fun.

701
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: That was a fun adventure. Oh do you believe in reincarnation.

702
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: That's like a question the answers. I don't know. That's

703
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: always the best answer for everything. I mean, not no,

704
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: not no. But I don't spend a lot of time

705
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, well, that's cool that I didn't do it.

706
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: Now in my next life, I'll get to it, Like

707
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I believe in reincarnation in

708
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: the sense that like work, work, carbon and we'll turn

709
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: into carbon in the life. You know, this sort of

710
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: chemistry aspect of it makes that makes perfect sense. Um,

711
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: But I don't speak Yeah, and I believe that it's

712
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: entirely possible in a sort of um sole form. But

713
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it.

714
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: That's fair. I spend all my time things. See this

715
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: is really cool. Don't do what I do. They thank

716
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: you for coming on my podcast. I'm super excited to

717
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: see the movie You're in. My best friend Carrie Brownsie

718
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: and I made a movie called The Nowhere In that

719
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: is coming out this year, and it's a meta documentary

720
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,959
Speaker 1: about me. I play myself and also you know St.

721
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Vincent and then I'm a little too boring to make

722
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: a documentary about She tells me to spice things up

723
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: a little bit, and that goes horribly wrong, and it

724
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: turns into sort of like a meta horror documentary that

725
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: sounds amazing and fun. I can't wait to scare myself

726
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: and watch it. Follow me on Instagram. UM, I probably

727
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: put up a picture like once every two and a

728
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: half to three weeks, so you'll really be in for

729
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: a treat. Follow me on Twitter. I'm gonna be saying

730
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: a lot of problematic things, so check me out there. Um.

731
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: I'll be starting my TikTok page pretty soon with some

732
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: post modern choreography, which I hope we'll go viral. Yeah,

733
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for listening, and thank you

734
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: so much for being on here. I really appreciate it.

735
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: So good to see you. It's great to see you too.

736
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm really glad you asked me to do it, and

737
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time. Oh my god, same,

738
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: all right, keep on creeping on creeps, all right, see

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Speaker 1: us m