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Speaker 1: all of this. A squad game I'm watching on television.
Speaker 1: My yeah, I missed that one. Uh. I gotta admit
Speaker 1: I missed that one. Chris, Yes, the Dodgers against the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what, okay, we'll get into it,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. But I got it here. You
Speaker 1: got much? What's much? What's there to say about it?
Speaker 1: I was okay, I just I never watched it. I
Speaker 1: never watched the interest in the squad game, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and got excited. I know we're still
Speaker 1: a few weeks from opening day, but my goodness, I
Speaker 1: was like, I've been missing this, you know. That's I
Speaker 1: guess that was the feeling I got. And I really
Speaker 1: realized how much I was missing just watching again, no
Speaker 1: fans in the stands, nothing, nothing, And it was all right,
Speaker 1: all right, well, hey good because we all have to
Speaker 1: get used to no fans in the stands and just
Speaker 1: liking the game for the purest of reasons, right, Baseball, basketball,
Speaker 1: baby football will be like that too. Um. We got
Speaker 1: Joel Elliott on the Ones and the twos, so he'll
Speaker 1: be bringing in the music from the break. So that's
Speaker 1: our man, Joel. And so rob, let's get right into it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson, who is you know? Both you and I know, Well,
Speaker 1: he's our colleague. We worked with him at both places,
Speaker 1: the former network but also most recently at Fox Sports
Speaker 1: one and good guy. And he has been in some
Speaker 1: hot water the last couple of days. And it really
Speaker 1: it wasn't he jumped in and when he didn't really
Speaker 1: have to. But it starts with DeShawn Jackson, who a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago put on Instagram a quote that
Speaker 1: was attributed to Adolph Hitler that just trafficked in stereotypes
Speaker 1: of Jews talking about they run the world, they wanted
Speaker 1: to take over the America and things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was just yeah, it was a lot
Speaker 1: of that, and um, and he got a lot of
Speaker 1: pushback for it. Right, you're not surprised, are you no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. And he apologized. Now Desan, So Deshaun
Speaker 1: came out and apologized. And and just for the record,
Speaker 1: and I've stated it before. I think I stated it
Speaker 1: on our show a couple of days ago, and I
Speaker 1: stated it maybe even yesterday. We're talking with Jason McIntyre
Speaker 1: on this show. But I'll state it again. I don't
Speaker 1: think the Sean Jackson should be cut. In fact, I
Speaker 1: don't think the Philadelphia Eagles can cut him because when
Speaker 1: Riley Cooper said the N word, and it there's no
Speaker 1: good way to say it, but he said it, you know,
Speaker 1: in a very aggressive way. I'll fight all you in
Speaker 1: words at a Country Western confract and they're kind of
Speaker 1: talking about the security guards. Yeah, there was some issue
Speaker 1: and that he had with one guy, but he just said,
Speaker 1: in any of y'all and we're out there, I'll fight
Speaker 1: y'all kind of right. Just it looked like he's got,
Speaker 1: you know, full of himself, thinking wasn't weren't really many
Speaker 1: brothers around or nobody would see it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But anyway, Michael Vick forgave him and the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles didn't cut him, They find him, and then
Speaker 1: a year later they even extended his contract. He played
Speaker 1: I think two more years with the Eagles white ride receiver.
Speaker 1: So with that being the precedent that the Eagles have
Speaker 1: set in a similar situation that there's no way they
Speaker 1: can cut him. Uh. In my book, there's a way,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to deal with the with the repercussions. Right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Chris, in this current climate
Speaker 1: and what's going on and what's happened, you noticed you
Speaker 1: talk about it all the time, the cancel culture, right,
Speaker 1: I mean right, So, so if there was no Wiley Cooper, Chris,
Speaker 1: do you think that Sean Jackson would still be on
Speaker 1: the Eagles as a veteran, as an as an aged
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, that and that that would be the question.
Speaker 1: What I do think they need him as a receiver.
Speaker 1: I know he's older, but they just draft a guy
Speaker 1: in first round. Yeah, I'm just saying that. The point is, look,
Speaker 1: there would be a great chance of him getting cut.
Speaker 1: I get where you're going from. Whether or not, right,
Speaker 1: it would be he'd being major danger being cut. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If in this climate where we are now. Uh,
Speaker 1: he would have been, and the backlash and the cause
Speaker 1: of hypocrisy would be so loud. And do the Eagles
Speaker 1: really want to deal with that? Because to me, Chris,
Speaker 1: the Eagles painted themselves into this corner. Right. Once you
Speaker 1: do that, you can't say we won't tolerate that in
Speaker 1: our organization, right. They gotten rid of Riley Cooper right
Speaker 1: and said we won't tolerate that. That's not what we're about.
Speaker 1: That's not how we represent our community and our uniform
Speaker 1: and the city of Philadelphia. Chris, you could you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have a you wouldn't have a leg to stand on
Speaker 1: if they said the same thing with Deshan Jackson. Absolutely absolutely,
Speaker 1: And it's about consistency, right, and and the way they
Speaker 1: handled Riley Cooper. I mean, he didn't have any incidents
Speaker 1: after that that I know of. Hopefully he's you know,
Speaker 1: turn turned around in that regard, and um, that's fine
Speaker 1: and so, but you have to offer the same grace
Speaker 1: to Deshaun Jackson. And I think Deshaun will learn from
Speaker 1: this as well. But Stephen Jackson, even after Deshaun apologized,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson went on Instagram several times and defended it.
Speaker 1: And I think the crux of this ROB because we
Speaker 1: know Steven and Steve went on CNN finally last night,
Speaker 1: went on CNN with Don Lemon and apologized. He said,
Speaker 1: he basically apologized for the words that he used. He's
Speaker 1: basically saying, I could have used different words. I apologized
Speaker 1: for using the wrong words. Is exactly what he said. UM.
Speaker 1: And he kept saying, you know, I don't hate anybody.
Speaker 1: I love all that love all. That's kind of his catchphrase.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, we like I said, we know Steve,
Speaker 1: I don't think he hates anybody. But I think what
Speaker 1: the lesson is in this ROB And we've all you know,
Speaker 1: you and I included, we've said things you know that
Speaker 1: are controversial. Um. You know, most people in this business
Speaker 1: have said something UM at one point or another. But
Speaker 1: in today's society, especially with social media and everything is
Speaker 1: such a big deal people you have to be careful, like,
Speaker 1: know what you're putting out there. Okay, And Deshaun Jackson
Speaker 1: started it. Obviously, you and I've talked about this. First
Speaker 1: of all, can we make a rule don't quote Adolf Hitler,
Speaker 1: I mean, under any circumstances, right, Chris, I absolute team
Speaker 1: or right to say the absolute worst person in the world.
Speaker 1: That would probably be the only thing you could attach
Speaker 1: to Adolf Hitler's anything else, you're gonna be called into question.
Speaker 1: And it's happened to so many people. And here's one
Speaker 1: other point, Chris, I do want to make people have
Speaker 1: to understand this when they talk about freedom of speech
Speaker 1: and and what and what what that really means, Chris,
Speaker 1: because I think people are delusional. You can, Chris, say
Speaker 1: whatever you want when they talk about freedom of speech, though,
Speaker 1: and your protections. Right in this country, it's about you
Speaker 1: saying bad stuff about the government, and the government police
Speaker 1: or the FBI or whatever is not knocking at your
Speaker 1: door Chris and taking you away because you spoke out
Speaker 1: against the government. Okay, that's your protection. But when you
Speaker 1: work for other people and you represent other people, when
Speaker 1: I'm talking about companies and corporations, uh, there's pushback and
Speaker 1: you can be heard from it. Yes, you could say
Speaker 1: whatever you want, but that company can also say to you,
Speaker 1: those are not our values and we don't appreciate him,
Speaker 1: and we don't respect him, and we're not going to
Speaker 1: tolerate it. And you could be fired or cut or
Speaker 1: whatever terms you want to use. Right, you can say it.
Speaker 1: You're not going to jail, but you may you're gonna
Speaker 1: there could be repercussions, There could job or whatever. Now, now,
Speaker 1: Stephen and we talked about to look, he's got his
Speaker 1: tremendous podcasts, all this smoke, Showtime on Showtime, he said
Speaker 1: yesterday he didn't mention Showtime or anything. And he's not
Speaker 1: with ESPN. He left ESPN. We'll see, you know, is
Speaker 1: he still doing stuff for Fox or yeah? But and
Speaker 1: that's even before it is just you know, he hasn't
Speaker 1: done much for Fox lately anyway before this, but what
Speaker 1: with Showtime? Was their pushback. Now, Stephen said yesterday, I'm
Speaker 1: not apologizing for a job or you know, anything like that.
Speaker 1: So he kind of implied that. He said, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not for a job for anybody. Well, I buy it
Speaker 1: in this sense he should after all his years in
Speaker 1: the league, and I know he never was a max
Speaker 1: contract guy or anything, but he should have made enough money.
Speaker 1: And then of course he did years of TV making
Speaker 1: decent money. Uh, he should have enough money where he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to work for anybody. So if if he
Speaker 1: did lose the gig at showtime. He should still have
Speaker 1: enough money where he can, you know, like he said,
Speaker 1: he don't have to work for anybody. But now I
Speaker 1: just don't know. As you move forward though in life,
Speaker 1: you just don't I'm just saying you don't want to
Speaker 1: put yourself out there where nobody will mess with you.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that that's it. And if he didn't
Speaker 1: to his credibility because remember he became really prominent in
Speaker 1: the whole aftermath of to George Floyd murder. Yes, because
Speaker 1: they were great friends. I know they Yeah, they like
Speaker 1: each other and um, and he did some great work
Speaker 1: with that and that is you know, that is what
Speaker 1: a lot of people were lamenting. Did he lose all
Speaker 1: his credibility that he could earn from that? Right? And
Speaker 1: that's because we always say, Chris Ei, either what are
Speaker 1: we for? We for equality and not being painted with
Speaker 1: a broad brush or a whole group of people. That's
Speaker 1: what happens to us to black people all the time. Right,
Speaker 1: somebody does something bad and it's all black people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we can't do that if we're going to be
Speaker 1: real about it, and we want to be treated equally
Speaker 1: and fairly, and that's what we're looking for equality. Then
Speaker 1: we can't do that to the Jews, or we can't
Speaker 1: do that to the Italians, and we can't do that
Speaker 1: to the Asian people. We can't, right, can't absolutely and
Speaker 1: and and like you're absolutely right. And also as we said,
Speaker 1: just no, like I don't know, it almost comes off
Speaker 1: like Stephen didn't know what he was even defending, you know,
Speaker 1: because he like one of the things he said was
Speaker 1: Deshaun was speaking the truth. Okay, Deshaun first of all,
Speaker 1: in quoting eight off, it was a fake quote, Like
Speaker 1: the quote wasn't even it was fabricated, right, so Fitler, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was probable. So even that is No, he wasn't
Speaker 1: we know, he wasn't speaking the truth. But even the
Speaker 1: very quote he was putting up was a fake quote. No,
Speaker 1: you gotta look at what you're putting out there before
Speaker 1: you put it out, you know, before you defend it.
Speaker 1: And all of this now Deshaun and Stephen have called
Speaker 1: all of this flag and whether or not they've lost
Speaker 1: credibility with people will see Deshaun obviously in for a
Speaker 1: serious fine. Uh and and and Stephen may have hurt
Speaker 1: some of his credibility for what for something that wasn't
Speaker 1: even accurate, not even that exactly, you know, And so
Speaker 1: it's just a lesson and it could be a lesson
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. Be careful what you put
Speaker 1: out there and you know that that's really all it is.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that Deshaun and Stephen are anti
Speaker 1: Semitic or anything like that. I think they were trying
Speaker 1: to you know, I said it on our show, Rob.
Speaker 1: I think Deshaun Jackson was trying to make a point.
Speaker 1: I think the main point he was trying to make
Speaker 1: was about African Americans being descendants of the Biblical Jews.
Speaker 1: I said, that's a prominent thought among a lot of
Speaker 1: African Americans, which is fine, Chris, you can make that point.
Speaker 1: But also you don't need to add up Hitler involved, Right,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You can do that make your
Speaker 1: case if that's what you want to make, without quoting
Speaker 1: freaking Adolf Hitler. Oh you know, so that that's kind
Speaker 1: of the lesson in this, like, know what you're putting
Speaker 1: out there, and uh, that's that's where it is. So hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know, guys learn their lesson and UM can move
Speaker 1: on from this and UM be the better for it,
Speaker 1: all right, should Lamar Jackson get paid like Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 1: Chris Bruce, sorry, Rob Parker in for Dan Patrick on
Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show and Rob, let's go to the NFL.
Speaker 1: Not Pat mcwell, kind of Pat Mahomes, I guess, but
Speaker 1: he's not the guy who's quote we're gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Mahomes and Randy Moss. Rand Moss
Speaker 1: one of the greatest wide receivers in the history of football,
Speaker 1: without question of. When I worked in Detroit, Chris of
Speaker 1: you know, he played for the Vikings and to watch
Speaker 1: him play twice a year against the Lions, and he
Speaker 1: used to crush the Lions like he did most teams.
Speaker 1: But boy man, he was watching that guy he was
Speaker 1: It was a pleasure. He was one of those you know, Chris,
Speaker 1: we all, We've covered a lot of sports, a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and there aren't that many athletes that that
Speaker 1: a sportswriter would pay to see play. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he was one of those guys. If
Speaker 1: you asked me, would you buy a ticket to go
Speaker 1: see Randy Moss catch the football? Absolutely? Yeah. He was
Speaker 1: a freak. And all of the professional athletes essentially are freaks.
Speaker 1: But when you're a freak among the freaks, you know,
Speaker 1: that's saying something. I mean, that's how freakish His athleticism
Speaker 1: was that he was on a level by himself among
Speaker 1: the greatest athletes in the world. So no doubt he
Speaker 1: was great. And of course he played rob with Tom
Speaker 1: Brady on a team that went seventeen and old and
Speaker 1: then of course lost in the Super Bowl to the
Speaker 1: New York Giants were eighteen and old, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: eight ended up eighteen and one, right because there was
Speaker 1: sixteen and old during the regular season, and then you
Speaker 1: got to the Super eighteen and O and then they
Speaker 1: lost right to it. Had they won, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: they would be regarded as the greatest team in NFL history. Chris,
Speaker 1: they were blown the water was go look at that
Speaker 1: regular season. They were scoring thirty five points a game.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was a video game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a video game. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 1: With you, Rob uh And I'm not trying to get
Speaker 1: in a big Brady discussion, but it was that year
Speaker 1: that I really started thinking, you know what, Tom Brady
Speaker 1: might be the goat because it at that point he
Speaker 1: had what three Super Bowls, and you know, he had
Speaker 1: never had really great receivers. He was winning, but you know,
Speaker 1: his numbers were good, but nothing crazy, and he you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't have great receivers. And then I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you give him like a really great receiver, Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame type receiver, and he was putting up incredible numbers.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he had fifty tds that year,
Speaker 1: like it was crazy. And that's when I start thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this guy might be or become the goat. So that
Speaker 1: was a big obviously connection with Randy Moss and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: But that's what makes what Moss said yesterday on ESPN even,
Speaker 1: you know, more powerful. He said this on ESPN's Get Up.
Speaker 1: Here's his quote. When you look at a quarterback like
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and like I said, being able to extend
Speaker 1: the play. I'm a deep threat guy and having that
Speaker 1: type of speed on the field for him to be
Speaker 1: able to extend plays. We possibly could be looking at
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time. No disrespect to Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and what he's been able to accomplish. His super
Speaker 1: Bowl rings speak volumes, but when you look at the
Speaker 1: position and how the position in the game is changing
Speaker 1: year after year, we could we could be possibly seeing
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback that we've witnessed. And you know, Rob
Speaker 1: for me, welcome, Welcome to the train, Randy, because I've
Speaker 1: been saying this, not that he is the greatest, because
Speaker 1: he's got a long way to go and he's got
Speaker 1: a lot left that he has to accomplish, mainly winning
Speaker 1: super Bowls and still putting up the great individual numbers.
Speaker 1: But I've been out there for a while after his
Speaker 1: first year, said this guy could be the goal. He's
Speaker 1: got gold potential. And so I'm fine with what Randy said,
Speaker 1: where are you at? I just think it's premature. We
Speaker 1: and I get it. People need we got three hours
Speaker 1: to kill. People need to put content out and it's
Speaker 1: easy to be looking at the here and now, and
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not here to bash Patrick Mahomes or
Speaker 1: say he's not on some meteoric rise and his career
Speaker 1: is off to a great start, two years in the
Speaker 1: league and MVP and a super Bowl championship. But but
Speaker 1: I just I'm always pumped the brakes. It's such a
Speaker 1: long way to go, so many different factors. He went
Speaker 1: from UH fifty touchdowns his first year to UH was
Speaker 1: the twenty six or twenty eight last year and the
Speaker 1: regular he missed three. But I know he missed a
Speaker 1: couple of games, but still it was down and it
Speaker 1: wasn't They won a game in Detroit Dispatch regular season
Speaker 1: where he didn't even throw any touchdowns. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it was And if you watch the first three
Speaker 1: quarters of the Super Bowl, you wouldn't be saying this
Speaker 1: stuff that you're saying. My point is I would I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be saying what about if if they lost that
Speaker 1: held the go? Yes, if he would have lost, it
Speaker 1: would still even though he would have got there, you
Speaker 1: would have said that after what go hasn't had a bag?
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm asking you, would that be your conversation? Yes,
Speaker 1: they lost this before they even got to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Had had they lost and he pull as he did
Speaker 1: the first three quarters, say they lost the game, you
Speaker 1: would be out here saying he's the greatest thing we've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and he's going to be the first of all.
Speaker 1: I'm not out here now saying he's the greatest thing
Speaker 1: we've ever seen. I just think I'm out here saying
Speaker 1: he's got gold potential. And yes, if they had lost
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl, I still would say he's got gold potential.
Speaker 1: I just would love uh. And and I always use
Speaker 1: this whether it applies or not. I just remember Ron
Speaker 1: Jaworski was an NFL quarterback for a long time, respected
Speaker 1: NFL analyst who went out on the limb and told
Speaker 1: everybody that Colin Kaepernick had the chance to be the
Speaker 1: greatest quarterback whoever played the game. And I remember the
Speaker 1: playoff game against the Green pack Green Bay Packers, and
Speaker 1: I remember, uh, the spark and the charge and how
Speaker 1: different he was, and the stories about how he changed
Speaker 1: the quarterback position and you couldn't defend him and all
Speaker 1: that other stuff and things happen and it didn't, it
Speaker 1: didn't wind up working out. I'm not rooting against Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I just think the road is so long. And the
Speaker 1: other part is the idea that whether I think Joe
Speaker 1: Montana is the goal, but if people who want to
Speaker 1: pick Tom Brady, the the the the goal or the
Speaker 1: plat the plateau is so high, and it ain't just
Speaker 1: about winning super Bowls. Okay it's not, but the but
Speaker 1: the If you could use Brady as your standard nine
Speaker 1: trips to the Super Bowl, six wins, uh MVP, some
Speaker 1: of the other seasons and stuff that he's done, it
Speaker 1: just looks like it's insurmountable to me that Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: twelve years later is gonna have six super Bowls or
Speaker 1: maybe four and no losses and the team's gonna stay
Speaker 1: together and everything's gonna work out. Because I saw Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and all his glory go ten years without winning
Speaker 1: a super Bowl. Ten years. Go look it up. People
Speaker 1: act like it was he won all of his super
Speaker 1: Bowls in nine or ten years. There was he went
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, Chris, but he lost, and he
Speaker 1: lost to Eli Manning a couple of times. And when
Speaker 1: I look at the landscape of all these young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to Seawan Watson and Lamar Jackson and all the other
Speaker 1: guys two down in Miami who people are excited about,
Speaker 1: and all these young guys out there who are who
Speaker 1: are coming up, I don't think it's gonna be that
Speaker 1: easy just to say he's gonna win every year and
Speaker 1: it's it's a layup. I think there's going to be
Speaker 1: pushed back from other guys. So I'm just not in
Speaker 1: that camp. As great as his start is and as
Speaker 1: much respect as I have for Patrick Mahomes, I've always
Speaker 1: been a guy to let it breathe, open up the
Speaker 1: bottle of wine, let him breathe a little bit. Job.
Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, you said Tom Brady was done winning
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. That was premature, though it wasn't prec was premature.
Speaker 1: It was premature, and it was wrong. He got lucky
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. That's what he's the bowl.
Speaker 1: He's the local. Were luck stop last SuperNature? Can I finish?
Speaker 1: You just went off for seven minutes? You I'm trying
Speaker 1: to give give me the premature mess, all right? Because
Speaker 1: you you were premature on Tom Brady. This is not premature.
Speaker 1: What would be premature is to say that he's the goal.
Speaker 1: That would be not only premature, that would be ridiculous
Speaker 1: to say Patrick Mahomes is the goal, but to say
Speaker 1: he's got the potential, it's not premature. He does. And
Speaker 1: to compare Colin Kaepernick and Nick. I'm off Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: should be in the league. I'm Kaepernick on his best
Speaker 1: day was not a three quarters of the quarterback that
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is on his best day. No, you're missing
Speaker 1: the point. You might sound like it's all over. That's
Speaker 1: my point. You're going to know because it's totally different.
Speaker 1: Because Patrick Mahomes has an MVP. Colin Kaepernick didn't get
Speaker 1: close to an MVP. Patrick Mahomes has a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick didn't get close to a super which you
Speaker 1: said it before he won the Super Bowl. You said
Speaker 1: it before that, but he's you said it before. Do
Speaker 1: you watch the games or just read the stories. I
Speaker 1: watched the Patrick Mahomes. That's why he's got gold potential.
Speaker 1: It's the what he does, the way he he plays,
Speaker 1: the way he throws the football. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's not about that anybody looking at him and looking
Speaker 1: at Colin Kaepernick sees the difference. Chris, My point is simple.
Speaker 1: I remember the talk about RG three after his rookie year.
Speaker 1: I remember Dan Marino. I was remember Patrick has already
Speaker 1: done something. No, No, he'm talking about No. My point
Speaker 1: is Dan Marino in his second year, when he had
Speaker 1: that unbelievable year and got the Dolphins to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: the sky was the limit. They were talking about Dan
Speaker 1: Marino possibly being the greatest quarterback of all time. He
Speaker 1: never got back to the super Bowl. That's my point.
Speaker 1: It's premature, that's all. It doesn't mean premature he never
Speaker 1: gets to another super Bowl Bowl if he doesn't, If
Speaker 1: he doesn't get to another super Bowl, would it be premature,
Speaker 1: he'd still be the goal. No, it won't be premature
Speaker 1: for somebody to say when Lebron James was in high
Speaker 1: school that he could be the greatest player we've ever seen,
Speaker 1: and people were saying that it was not premature. He
Speaker 1: didn't go on in our eyes to do it. We
Speaker 1: can steal that potential. Yeah, because some guys it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be thrown out and others it should. Like I said
Speaker 1: it once or twice a generation, there comes along a
Speaker 1: player in all the sports that's got got potential. That's
Speaker 1: all we're saying. Potential. As great as Kevin Durant is,
Speaker 1: nobody's ever said he had got potential. That's the difference. Potential,
Speaker 1: that's all we're saying. Let's bring in our man speaking
Speaker 1: to Kevin Durant, a reporter who knows Durant very well,
Speaker 1: good friend of ours. Michael Lee, the senior NBA writer
Speaker 1: for The Athletic, What's like, Hey, what's up, fellas. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry interrupted this man. I was up in myself. I
Speaker 1: was like, held on, hold on, let me. It's like
Speaker 1: you know double dutch, you know. I was like ready
Speaker 1: to hop in. Like I was like, yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to hop in? Go ahead, Rob saying it's premature to
Speaker 1: say that Pat Mahomes has goat potential. That's what nobody says,
Speaker 1: the goat. I say this some things you you know,
Speaker 1: the moment you see it. Thank you. You know really
Speaker 1: something you know the moment you see it. You can
Speaker 1: any any any anything can go another route. I mean
Speaker 1: you know, you can get injured, you can have a
Speaker 1: number of things happen. But nobody does this and the
Speaker 1: resume this quickly without you it being obvious. This is special,
Speaker 1: Like this is special. All I'm telling you is in
Speaker 1: the n and there's just so much stuff that can happen.
Speaker 1: A team, Andy Reid retires, guys get hurt. There's just
Speaker 1: so much. All I'm saying, it's way too premature that
Speaker 1: that's all, Michael. Let let's get to your specialty, the
Speaker 1: NBA first. Are you going down to the bubble? I
Speaker 1: am thing far away from that, all right. I ain't
Speaker 1: mad at you from via what TV? And how are
Speaker 1: you going to get covert zoom calls you know, guess
Speaker 1: agains zoom calls or whatever other mechanisms you know to
Speaker 1: talk to family members and people associated with players? Um,
Speaker 1: because it I mean, I'm not sure if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of interest in the games. I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure that would be that good. But I think
Speaker 1: that there'll still be human interest stories that could be
Speaker 1: told that doesn't necessarily require, um, the access that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be getting even who you're down there. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to get into a whole thing about the
Speaker 1: access that will have as media members. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's safer or better to do it down
Speaker 1: there in the bubble or from from your couch. Mike Kawhi,
Speaker 1: leonard Um did not travel with the team to Orlando.
Speaker 1: He'll be there in a few days. Got a family matter,
Speaker 1: which I I too totally believe is legitimate. But do
Speaker 1: you have any the athletic just you know, Jovian Buja
Speaker 1: wrote a story just throw out questions, like, you know,
Speaker 1: could this you know, is the need fully healthier? Is
Speaker 1: he fully healthy? Willie Lowe managed, do you have any
Speaker 1: concerns about like we've kind of assumed, Look, four months off,
Speaker 1: Kauai is gonna come back, you know, and be able
Speaker 1: to play every night and totally be fine. Do you
Speaker 1: have any concerns about his health? Because obviously without him,
Speaker 1: the Clippers don't have a chance to win it. I'm
Speaker 1: concerned about everybody who steps on the court right now
Speaker 1: in this situation, just because that a four months layoff
Speaker 1: between basketball to go from that to highly intense basketball,
Speaker 1: that I see a lot of potential for risk And I,
Speaker 1: you know, anybody who decides to go or doesn't decide
Speaker 1: to go, I don't you know this smirched him. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's what you need to do for yourself.
Speaker 1: But I think that this is a highly risky situation.
Speaker 1: And that's just beyond the whole coronavirus situation, which is
Speaker 1: already risky with it itself, but having this long a
Speaker 1: break between basketball to then have eight warm up games
Speaker 1: and then go directly into the playoffs, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody on this call knows that is the most intense
Speaker 1: level of basketball you could possibly play. And can you
Speaker 1: imagine just going like in a normal situation, going from
Speaker 1: the preseason to the playoffs. That's what's essentially happening right now.
Speaker 1: And so the risk, right the risk factors. If you
Speaker 1: have any kind of health any kind of lingering health issues,
Speaker 1: this could be something that you know, the league worst
Speaker 1: nightmare could actually unfold where guys get seriously injured because
Speaker 1: the playoffs are intense. I mean, think about Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: last year going straight from not playing for seven eight
Speaker 1: weeks to play in a highly intense game, ruptures as
Speaker 1: achilles right there and after playing twelve minutes. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying that's going to happen, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying that when you go this long without playing
Speaker 1: competitive basketball five and five basketball jump right into the intensity,
Speaker 1: I think everybody should be a little concerned and just
Speaker 1: hope that the guys can survive without anything major happening.
Speaker 1: Does Lebron and Lebron have the most to lose if
Speaker 1: the Lakers don't win from this end point that you know,
Speaker 1: next year's year eighteen. They were rolling this year the
Speaker 1: Lakers and playing well with Anthony Davis and the team
Speaker 1: they had up And you just don't know as you
Speaker 1: go year to year this lay in somebody's career. But
Speaker 1: to me, this represents the best last chance for him
Speaker 1: to win, and if they don't win the title, it
Speaker 1: might be his last chance. Do you look at it
Speaker 1: that way for a guy, you know, approaching year eighteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is last chance to win
Speaker 1: the title, but I think it's it's probably like his
Speaker 1: best chance to win while he's playing at this level.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the one thing that you know,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the Lakers and you know,
Speaker 1: people in the organization, they didn't want to miss out
Speaker 1: on this opportunity because you don't get to play be
Speaker 1: one of the top three players in the game or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to rank him. You know, at thirty,
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty six years old, that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: And he's there and he has an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: a championship, So I think that he has to get
Speaker 1: it right now because it's such a great opportunity. He's
Speaker 1: got an awesome team, he's playing with Anthony Davis, who's
Speaker 1: in his prime, was capable of carrying him to possibly
Speaker 1: more championships, not just this one. That's why I feel like,
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't win this year, if the aid
Speaker 1: stays there and Lebron, you know, if he takes a
Speaker 1: little knockdown as the player, he'll have a chance to win.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kareem took a knockdown of the player, but
Speaker 1: magic carry him. But don't you think that there are
Speaker 1: other things that that factor in as well. The Warriors
Speaker 1: will get healthy, there's more competition, Brooklyn will have two
Speaker 1: stars and they'll be healthy. These guys are younger. The
Speaker 1: Clippers have two stars that are much younger, do you know.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say this year, where the Warriors
Speaker 1: are down and Brooklyn's down, and you just have the
Speaker 1: Clippers kind of Clippers and Bucks, I think it only
Speaker 1: gets harder as you go on, not not easier. So
Speaker 1: I just say it get easier. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm also factoring in the fact that Anthony Davis has
Speaker 1: entering the prime of his career and I think he's
Speaker 1: capable of doing things beyond this season. And if Lebron
Speaker 1: is attached to him going forward, even if he takes
Speaker 1: a little decline like a if a rapid decline, I
Speaker 1: think you can still find talent around those two guys
Speaker 1: to win. But I feel like for Lebron to play
Speaker 1: at this level where he could be the engineer of
Speaker 1: a champion, like the leader of the finals, MVP caliber
Speaker 1: type player, I think this is his last best chance
Speaker 1: to do that for sure, Mike in Washington, Bradley bill
Speaker 1: of course not going down to play in the bubble.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams interested in him. Brooklyn would like
Speaker 1: to get him, the Lakers would like to get him.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be difficult to make a trade
Speaker 1: for him. What do you see kind of with the
Speaker 1: future for Bradley bill Well, I mean, it's one of
Speaker 1: the situations where he doesn't want to leave and the
Speaker 1: Witchers don't want to let him go. And I think
Speaker 1: that the fact that they don't want him to play
Speaker 1: these eight games and then they came up with the
Speaker 1: shoulder injury and not saying it not real. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's that. Wait, you saying, what are
Speaker 1: you accusing them a false medical wreckers? What are you saying,
Speaker 1: Michael Watt that that's not true. You see, well night,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm saying that, you know, yeah I do,
Speaker 1: I do, But I'm saying that, like, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: if if the it just had a legitimate chance of
Speaker 1: making the playoffs, they weren't six games out with eight
Speaker 1: games ago, I think that he probably would be out
Speaker 1: there competing no matter what situation his shoulder is, because
Speaker 1: he played all those games to aver thirty points a
Speaker 1: game in this season. So I think that that was
Speaker 1: sort of an agreement that the Wizards and him he made,
Speaker 1: you know, so that they could move forward, and they
Speaker 1: know that they're on the same page with each other,
Speaker 1: like they support him wholeheartedly in this effort to go
Speaker 1: down there and play. And I think that sort of,
Speaker 1: you know, symmetry between player and team is indicative of
Speaker 1: the relationship that they have and why they don't want
Speaker 1: to let him go and why he's not interesting leaving
Speaker 1: right now because he's in a situation where the organization
Speaker 1: is going to do whatever it can to protect his
Speaker 1: interests and his well being. And I think that was
Speaker 1: a message to him and also to other players down
Speaker 1: the road that the Wizards are player friendly organization and
Speaker 1: we will take care of you. And I think in
Speaker 1: the past that hasn't always been the case. But I
Speaker 1: think that with Brad sort of setting a tone now
Speaker 1: in the culture that's going to be in place there,
Speaker 1: you can see that him leaving or him being plucked away,
Speaker 1: it would be very difficult. And the only way they
Speaker 1: don't know for sure what they have is when John
Speaker 1: Wall comes back and to see what they can do
Speaker 1: with them together. If it looks like there's no hope
Speaker 1: with john Wall being back and he's not anything close
Speaker 1: to what he wants was, I think, then you talk
Speaker 1: about that, But right now it's totally premature because I
Speaker 1: know Brad loves being in DC. He doesn't want to leave.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing that sort of overlooked
Speaker 1: with a lot of these displayer movement is a lot
Speaker 1: of guys feel like, oh man, I can't get it
Speaker 1: done here, I gotta go. Brad's like, why do I
Speaker 1: have to be the one to leave in this situation?
Speaker 1: Why would I have to be the one? Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: we just get rid of everybody else and keep building
Speaker 1: around me? And I think that's that's the attitude that
Speaker 1: he has well Mike quickly because we gotta run it.
Speaker 1: We got about thirty seconds Max. There's been talking about
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Cousins. Could you see the Wizards trying to bring
Speaker 1: him in as a part of a big three with
Speaker 1: Wall and Bradley? Well, considering the relationship, and that's something
Speaker 1: that he and John want to do for since they
Speaker 1: left Kentucky, I could easily see that happen. And knowing
Speaker 1: that the relationships that he John have, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know that's something he would want to do. He's he's
Speaker 1: long one to play with John, and he's long one
Speaker 1: to play in DC. One thing a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know is before he was even drafted, he worked
Speaker 1: out in DC. That's where he's spending summers, and so
Speaker 1: he loved that area. And you know, he and John
Speaker 1: are like, you know, thinking thing. You know, they're they're
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, all right, that's all. Please, senior NBA
Speaker 1: writer for the stay out of our NFL talk. Keep
Speaker 1: the basketball right on the money, right on the money
Speaker 1: with you. Way to shut the fan down somehow? How
Speaker 1: do you know? How do you know she's the one?
Speaker 1: You just know? All right? That's why I'm divorced, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, take care ye Is it easier
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Speaker 1: I can picture a young Rod Parker because see that
Speaker 1: song is your heyday. I can picture a young Rod
Speaker 1: Parker out there pleading baggy pants, couple parts in his hair,
Speaker 1: flat top. You already know the true that's him now,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. You saw on Instagram that picture
Speaker 1: of me and Nancy Lieber made me schooling her, putting
Speaker 1: some putting some buckets on you, the one you sent me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it on Instagram. I didn't see Nancy Lieberman.
Speaker 1: I gotta look at that. I saw the picture you
Speaker 1: sent me. Yeah, yeah, you can't see it because I'm
Speaker 1: dominating her, going over her to score the bast eleven
Speaker 1: to one. No, it wasn't one basket, you know. I
Speaker 1: score the first two baskets of the game and it
Speaker 1: was funny, real quick. Chris was one of them. I
Speaker 1: was on the radio w DFED in Detroit and we
Speaker 1: broadcast the game against me and Nancy. It was like
Speaker 1: a whole big deal. And one of the hosts, Jamie Samuelson,
Speaker 1: who was an update guy, he bet me twenty dollars
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't score against her. That that was the bet.
Speaker 1: He said, you won't even score. So I scored the
Speaker 1: first basket of the game. Chris looked to the referee,
Speaker 1: called time out and went over to Jamie Samuelson and
Speaker 1: put out my hand and said give me my twenty
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna score. Really, that was a win
Speaker 1: for you. Yes, but a Hall of famer. Nancy was great, Yes,
Speaker 1: Yeshika Ball, there's no doubt. A Hall of famer, great,
Speaker 1: great person. Yes, all right, But speaking of a Hall
Speaker 1: of famer, Kenney Smith not a Hall of Famer, but
Speaker 1: it was a very good player. Won two championships with
Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets and played a critical role in those championships.
Speaker 1: And even more so, he's really established himself Robbed in
Speaker 1: his post playing career. Is a great broadcaster on TNT
Speaker 1: with with Ernie Johnson and Charles Barkley and now Shock,
Speaker 1: I mean that's Kenney's been great. You know, he's had
Speaker 1: a tremendous post playing career. And he said something he
Speaker 1: was on a podcast recently. He's had a lot of things,
Speaker 1: but one thing he said is and this is not
Speaker 1: even where we're going, but he said, in his all
Speaker 1: time top ten players, Kobe Bryant is an end in
Speaker 1: top ten and Lebron James is number ten. He didn't
Speaker 1: really name the full ten. I think Oscar's in there,
Speaker 1: Larry Bird, Magic Jordan, of course. But one thing Kenny said,
Speaker 1: and this was part of his reasoning for those guys
Speaker 1: not being ranked higher, was that he said, it's so
Speaker 1: easy to score in today's NBA. And he had a
Speaker 1: couple of years with two years where he averaged seventeen
Speaker 1: points a game, one with the Sacramento Kings, one with
Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets, and he said the year with the
Speaker 1: Kings when he averaged seventeen, he said, into day's NBA
Speaker 1: that would have been about twenty five or twenty six
Speaker 1: points a game. And so he's saying these guys the numbers,
Speaker 1: James Harden and Steph Kirry and all these guys that
Speaker 1: are putting up these crazy numbers, be careful. I guess
Speaker 1: he's even including Lebron James because Lebron's numbers are astronomical.
Speaker 1: He's saying, be careful. The defenses lax, the fort court
Speaker 1: is spread, the three point line is so much more prominent,
Speaker 1: and they're putting up ten shot ten threes a game
Speaker 1: some guys, some guys even more. Harden's like eleven, twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen threes a game, and he's saying, so, so back
Speaker 1: up on these numbers and where you feel? What do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Is this a legitimate point Kenny's
Speaker 1: making or do you think he's kind of out there? No?
Speaker 1: I don't think he's out there. I think there's a
Speaker 1: different style of game. And when you when you look
Speaker 1: at other people and you look at numbers, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at even Chris the big goal when
Speaker 1: he average a triple double right when no three point shot?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm mean? Like, like, there's a difference.
Speaker 1: You don't think I think that that's a legitimate that
Speaker 1: he was able to do that without the three ball.
Speaker 1: I mean so so the way that they defend and
Speaker 1: the way that they play. We all saw the Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan right a documentary, Chris, did you see the way
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was treated by the pistons and the knicks
Speaker 1: in the paint? Did you see flagrant fouls? Did you
Speaker 1: see where they couldn't touch him? I mean there's a reality, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think that Kenny Smith is ridiculous or it
Speaker 1: sounds like, hey, you kids, get off my long guy.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's a different game, that's all. No, it
Speaker 1: is easier to score. Let's just face it. It's easier
Speaker 1: to score, especially for guards because there is no hand
Speaker 1: checking and there really aren't that many rim protectors and
Speaker 1: the floor has spread out, so you beat your one
Speaker 1: man at the perimeter, you know you can get to
Speaker 1: the lane and you're not gonna have the type of
Speaker 1: attention you had in the paint? Did Jordan had? Jordan
Speaker 1: would get not just Jordan, Doctor Jay, any of the
Speaker 1: guys in that eighties and nineties When you got to
Speaker 1: the rim, you had to know how to finish old
Speaker 1: around six or seven guys. It was incredible, and now
Speaker 1: one or two guys are in the paint. I'm not
Speaker 1: taking anything away from these guys because Steph Curry's an
Speaker 1: all time great. Harden all these guys, but it is
Speaker 1: easier to score. Kenny was right about that, all right,
Speaker 1: Keep it locked, Chris and Rob