WEBVTT - Hour 1 – Michael Lee (07-09-20) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.840 Sports Radio. We are the odd couple and we are 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.600 filling in for Dan Patrick. This of course is the 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.920 Dan Patrick's Show and we have a great three hours 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:19.560 for you today. There's plenty of NFL, plenty of NBA 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.160 and Rod Parker even uh got excited about a little 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.560 bit of baseball last night, so we will talk about 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.600 all of this. A squad game I'm watching on television. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.960 My yeah, I missed that one. Uh. I gotta admit 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:39.120 I missed that one. Chris, Yes, the Dodgers against the Dodgers. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.440 And I was like, what, okay, we'll get into it, 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.440 we'll talk about it. But I got it here. You 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.839 got much? What's much? What's there to say about it? 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:51.280 I was okay, I just I never watched it. I 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.840 never watched the interest in the squad game, you know 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.520 what I mean, and got excited. I know we're still 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.840 a few weeks from opening day, but my goodness, I 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.040 was like, I've been missing this, you know. That's I 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:03.880 guess that was the feeling I got. And I really 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.360 realized how much I was missing just watching again, no 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.160 fans in the stands, nothing, nothing, And it was all right, 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.320 all right, well, hey good because we all have to 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.000 get used to no fans in the stands and just 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:21.840 liking the game for the purest of reasons, right, Baseball, basketball, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.200 baby football will be like that too. Um. We got 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.840 Joel Elliott on the Ones and the twos, so he'll 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.760 be bringing in the music from the break. So that's 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:36.320 our man, Joel. And so rob, let's get right into it. Uh. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.759 Stephen Jackson, who is you know? Both you and I know, Well, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.760 he's our colleague. We worked with him at both places, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:47.720 the former network but also most recently at Fox Sports 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.320 one and good guy. And he has been in some 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.840 hot water the last couple of days. And it really 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.880 it wasn't he jumped in and when he didn't really 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:07.000 have to. But it starts with DeShawn Jackson, who a 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:13.880 couple of days ago put on Instagram a quote that 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:21.600 was attributed to Adolph Hitler that just trafficked in stereotypes 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.280 of Jews talking about they run the world, they wanted 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:31.920 to take over the America and things like that. Yeah, 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.960 it was it was just yeah, it was a lot 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.000 of that, and um, and he got a lot of 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:44.040 pushback for it. Right, you're not surprised, are you no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.360 not at all. And he apologized. Now Desan, So Deshaun 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:52.440 came out and apologized. And and just for the record, 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.240 and I've stated it before. I think I stated it 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.640 on our show a couple of days ago, and I 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.280 stated it maybe even yesterday. We're talking with Jason McIntyre 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.680 on this show. But I'll state it again. I don't 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.000 think the Sean Jackson should be cut. In fact, I 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:12.000 don't think the Philadelphia Eagles can cut him because when 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.400 Riley Cooper said the N word, and it there's no 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.560 good way to say it, but he said it, you know, 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.079 in a very aggressive way. I'll fight all you in 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.600 words at a Country Western confract and they're kind of 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.880 talking about the security guards. Yeah, there was some issue 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.120 and that he had with one guy, but he just said, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.480 in any of y'all and we're out there, I'll fight 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.720 y'all kind of right. Just it looked like he's got, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.720 you know, full of himself, thinking wasn't weren't really many 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.400 brothers around or nobody would see it, you know what 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:50.560 I mean. But anyway, Michael Vick forgave him and the 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.600 Philadelphia Eagles didn't cut him, They find him, and then 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:57.440 a year later they even extended his contract. He played 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.200 I think two more years with the Eagles white ride receiver. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.920 So with that being the precedent that the Eagles have 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.880 set in a similar situation that there's no way they 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:12.480 can cut him. Uh. In my book, there's a way, 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.680 but they don't want to deal with the with the repercussions. Right, 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.839 you know what I'm saying, Chris, in this current climate 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.320 and what's going on and what's happened, you noticed you 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.640 talk about it all the time, the cancel culture, right, 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:30.040 I mean right, So, so if there was no Wiley Cooper, Chris, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.120 do you think that Sean Jackson would still be on 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.280 the Eagles as a veteran, as an as an aged 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.920 wide receiver. Yeah, that and that that would be the question. 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.760 What I do think they need him as a receiver. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.480 I know he's older, but they just draft a guy 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:50.360 in first round. Yeah, I'm just saying that. The point is, look, 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.360 there would be a great chance of him getting cut. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.120 I get where you're going from. Whether or not, right, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.400 it would be he'd being major danger being cut. That's 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:05.560 what I'm saying. If in this climate where we are now. Uh, 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.440 he would have been, and the backlash and the cause 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.440 of hypocrisy would be so loud. And do the Eagles 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.200 really want to deal with that? Because to me, Chris, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.920 the Eagles painted themselves into this corner. Right. Once you 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.640 do that, you can't say we won't tolerate that in 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.360 our organization, right. They gotten rid of Riley Cooper right 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.960 and said we won't tolerate that. That's not what we're about. 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.720 That's not how we represent our community and our uniform 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.200 and the city of Philadelphia. Chris, you could you wouldn't 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.640 have a you wouldn't have a leg to stand on 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.440 if they said the same thing with Deshan Jackson. Absolutely absolutely, 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.360 And it's about consistency, right, and and the way they 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:54.240 handled Riley Cooper. I mean, he didn't have any incidents 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.240 after that that I know of. Hopefully he's you know, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.920 turn turned around in that regard, and um, that's fine 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.599 and so, but you have to offer the same grace 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.200 to Deshaun Jackson. And I think Deshaun will learn from 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:14.520 this as well. But Stephen Jackson, even after Deshaun apologized, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.800 Stephen Jackson went on Instagram several times and defended it. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.600 And I think the crux of this ROB because we 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.880 know Steven and Steve went on CNN finally last night, 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:33.040 went on CNN with Don Lemon and apologized. He said, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:38.640 he basically apologized for the words that he used. He's 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.599 basically saying, I could have used different words. I apologized 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.480 for using the wrong words. Is exactly what he said. UM. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.680 And he kept saying, you know, I don't hate anybody. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.839 I love all that love all. That's kind of his catchphrase. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.479 And I, you know, we like I said, we know Steve, 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.919 I don't think he hates anybody. But I think what 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.160 the lesson is in this ROB And we've all you know, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.560 you and I included, we've said things you know that 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:13.440 are controversial. Um. You know, most people in this business 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.960 have said something UM at one point or another. But 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:25.440 in today's society, especially with social media and everything is 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.880 such a big deal people you have to be careful, like, 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:36.000 know what you're putting out there. Okay, And Deshaun Jackson 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.000 started it. Obviously, you and I've talked about this. First 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.800 of all, can we make a rule don't quote Adolf Hitler, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:51.400 I mean, under any circumstances, right, Chris, I absolute team 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.320 or right to say the absolute worst person in the world. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.240 That would probably be the only thing you could attach 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:03.280 to Adolf Hitler's anything else, you're gonna be called into question. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.320 And it's happened to so many people. And here's one 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.960 other point, Chris, I do want to make people have 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:15.000 to understand this when they talk about freedom of speech 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.120 and and what and what what that really means, Chris, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:26.000 because I think people are delusional. You can, Chris, say 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.160 whatever you want when they talk about freedom of speech, though, 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:35.320 and your protections. Right in this country, it's about you 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.120 saying bad stuff about the government, and the government police 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.080 or the FBI or whatever is not knocking at your 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:45.360 door Chris and taking you away because you spoke out 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.400 against the government. Okay, that's your protection. But when you 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:55.000 work for other people and you represent other people, when 0:08:55.000 --> 0:09:00.839 I'm talking about companies and corporations, uh, there's pushback and 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.480 you can be heard from it. Yes, you could say 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.800 whatever you want, but that company can also say to you, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.640 those are not our values and we don't appreciate him, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.000 and we don't respect him, and we're not going to 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.040 tolerate it. And you could be fired or cut or 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.200 whatever terms you want to use. Right, you can say it. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.040 You're not going to jail, but you may you're gonna 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.520 there could be repercussions, There could job or whatever. Now, now, 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.880 Stephen and we talked about to look, he's got his 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:36.040 tremendous podcasts, all this smoke, Showtime on Showtime, he said 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.760 yesterday he didn't mention Showtime or anything. And he's not 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:45.120 with ESPN. He left ESPN. We'll see, you know, is 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.880 he still doing stuff for Fox or yeah? But and 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.880 that's even before it is just you know, he hasn't 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.280 done much for Fox lately anyway before this, but what 0:09:55.559 --> 0:10:01.120 with Showtime? Was their pushback. Now, Stephen said yesterday, I'm 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.960 not apologizing for a job or you know, anything like that. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.280 So he kind of implied that. He said, yeah, it's 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:13.880 not for a job for anybody. Well, I buy it 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:17.080 in this sense he should after all his years in 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.560 the league, and I know he never was a max 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:22.320 contract guy or anything, but he should have made enough money. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.720 And then of course he did years of TV making 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.360 decent money. Uh, he should have enough money where he 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.480 doesn't have to work for anybody. So if if he 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.720 did lose the gig at showtime. He should still have 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.120 enough money where he can, you know, like he said, 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.280 he don't have to work for anybody. But now I 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.320 just don't know. As you move forward though in life, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.000 you just don't I'm just saying you don't want to 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:51.240 put yourself out there where nobody will mess with you. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.880 I'm saying that that that's it. And if he didn't 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.439 to his credibility because remember he became really prominent in 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.200 the whole aftermath of to George Floyd murder. Yes, because 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:10.320 they were great friends. I know they Yeah, they like 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.120 each other and um, and he did some great work 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.640 with that and that is you know, that is what 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.079 a lot of people were lamenting. Did he lose all 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.200 his credibility that he could earn from that? Right? And 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:26.000 that's because we always say, Chris Ei, either what are 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.920 we for? We for equality and not being painted with 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.120 a broad brush or a whole group of people. That's 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.600 what happens to us to black people all the time. Right, 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.400 somebody does something bad and it's all black people. Yeah, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.640 So we can't do that if we're going to be 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.720 real about it, and we want to be treated equally 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:48.080 and fairly, and that's what we're looking for equality. Then 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.280 we can't do that to the Jews, or we can't 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.240 do that to the Italians, and we can't do that 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.240 to the Asian people. We can't, right, can't absolutely and 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.560 and and like you're absolutely right. And also as we said, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.480 just no, like I don't know, it almost comes off 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.960 like Stephen didn't know what he was even defending, you know, 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.400 because he like one of the things he said was 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:16.360 Deshaun was speaking the truth. Okay, Deshaun first of all, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.720 in quoting eight off, it was a fake quote, Like 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:25.040 the quote wasn't even it was fabricated, right, so Fitler, Yeah, 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.280 it was probable. So even that is No, he wasn't 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.760 we know, he wasn't speaking the truth. But even the 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.199 very quote he was putting up was a fake quote. No, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.440 you gotta look at what you're putting out there before 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.680 you put it out, you know, before you defend it. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.959 And all of this now Deshaun and Stephen have called 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.600 all of this flag and whether or not they've lost 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:54.240 credibility with people will see Deshaun obviously in for a 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.680 serious fine. Uh and and and Stephen may have hurt 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:04.000 some of his credibility for what for something that wasn't 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:08.280 even accurate, not even that exactly, you know, And so 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.600 it's just a lesson and it could be a lesson 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.560 for a lot of people. Be careful what you put 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.440 out there and you know that that's really all it is. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:25.400 And I don't think that Deshaun and Stephen are anti 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.560 Semitic or anything like that. I think they were trying 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.440 to you know, I said it on our show, Rob. 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.439 I think Deshaun Jackson was trying to make a point. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:37.800 I think the main point he was trying to make 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.960 was about African Americans being descendants of the Biblical Jews. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.120 I said, that's a prominent thought among a lot of 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:51.320 African Americans, which is fine, Chris, you can make that point. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:55.240 But also you don't need to add up Hitler involved, Right, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.160 That's what I'm saying. You can do that make your 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.840 case if that's what you want to make, without quoting 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:06.360 freaking Adolf Hitler. Oh you know, so that that's kind 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.160 of the lesson in this, like, know what you're putting 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.720 out there, and uh, that's that's where it is. So hopefully, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.080 you know, guys learn their lesson and UM can move 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.680 on from this and UM be the better for it, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.440 all right, should Lamar Jackson get paid like Patrick Mahomes 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:30.520 did a statement on show. Be sure to catch the 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.480 live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:37.120 am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:41.040 the iHeart Radio app. All right, this is the couple. 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.800 Chris Bruce, sorry, Rob Parker in for Dan Patrick on 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:49.840 The Dan Patrick Show and Rob, let's go to the NFL. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.280 Not Pat mcwell, kind of Pat Mahomes, I guess, but 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.320 he's not the guy who's quote we're gonna talk about. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:15:00.840 We're gonna talk about Mahomes and Randy Moss. Rand Moss 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:05.040 one of the greatest wide receivers in the history of football, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:10.040 without question of. When I worked in Detroit, Chris of 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.840 you know, he played for the Vikings and to watch 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.640 him play twice a year against the Lions, and he 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.080 used to crush the Lions like he did most teams. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.200 But boy man, he was watching that guy he was 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.600 It was a pleasure. He was one of those you know, Chris, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.760 we all, We've covered a lot of sports, a lot 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.080 of people, and there aren't that many athletes that that 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.120 a sportswriter would pay to see play. Do you know 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.800 what I mean, he was one of those guys. If 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:41.960 you asked me, would you buy a ticket to go 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.040 see Randy Moss catch the football? Absolutely? Yeah. He was 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:49.880 a freak. And all of the professional athletes essentially are freaks. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.000 But when you're a freak among the freaks, you know, 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.400 that's saying something. I mean, that's how freakish His athleticism 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.120 was that he was on a level by himself among 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.360 the greatest athletes in the world. So no doubt he 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.880 was great. And of course he played rob with Tom 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.040 Brady on a team that went seventeen and old and 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.800 then of course lost in the Super Bowl to the 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:20.400 New York Giants were eighteen and old, and then yeah, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.400 eight ended up eighteen and one, right because there was 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.600 sixteen and old during the regular season, and then you 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.800 got to the Super eighteen and O and then they 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:31.240 lost right to it. Had they won, there's no doubt 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.960 they would be regarded as the greatest team in NFL history. Chris, 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.840 they were blown the water was go look at that 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.320 regular season. They were scoring thirty five points a game. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.440 I mean, it was it was a video game. Yeah, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.960 it was a video game. I'm gonna be honest with you. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.880 With you, Rob uh And I'm not trying to get 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.520 in a big Brady discussion, but it was that year 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:57.400 that I really started thinking, you know what, Tom Brady 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.480 might be the goat because it at that point he 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.760 had what three Super Bowls, and you know, he had 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.800 never had really great receivers. He was winning, but you know, 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.119 his numbers were good, but nothing crazy, and he you know, 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.840 he didn't have great receivers. And then I was like, wow, 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.520 you give him like a really great receiver, Hall of 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.760 Fame type receiver, and he was putting up incredible numbers. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.160 You know, I think he had fifty tds that year, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.800 like it was crazy. And that's when I start thinking, Okay, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:31.280 this guy might be or become the goat. So that 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.760 was a big obviously connection with Randy Moss and Tom Brady. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:42.879 But that's what makes what Moss said yesterday on ESPN even, 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:46.520 you know, more powerful. He said this on ESPN's Get Up. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.919 Here's his quote. When you look at a quarterback like 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.000 Patrick Mahomes and like I said, being able to extend 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.480 the play. I'm a deep threat guy and having that 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.359 type of speed on the field for him to be 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.840 able to extend plays. We possibly could be looking at 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:08.000 the greatest quarterback of all time. No disrespect to Tom 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.560 Brady and what he's been able to accomplish. His super 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.600 Bowl rings speak volumes, but when you look at the 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.040 position and how the position in the game is changing 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.879 year after year, we could we could be possibly seeing 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:27.119 the greatest quarterback that we've witnessed. And you know, Rob 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:34.400 for me, welcome, Welcome to the train, Randy, because I've 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.639 been saying this, not that he is the greatest, because 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.440 he's got a long way to go and he's got 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.240 a lot left that he has to accomplish, mainly winning 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.119 super Bowls and still putting up the great individual numbers. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.560 But I've been out there for a while after his 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.640 first year, said this guy could be the goal. He's 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.120 got gold potential. And so I'm fine with what Randy said, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:00.280 where are you at? I just think it's premature. We 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.719 and I get it. People need we got three hours 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.120 to kill. People need to put content out and it's 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.560 easy to be looking at the here and now, and 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:14.439 I'm not. I'm not here to bash Patrick Mahomes or 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:19.520 say he's not on some meteoric rise and his career 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:21.520 is off to a great start, two years in the 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.280 league and MVP and a super Bowl championship. But but 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:27.960 I just I'm always pumped the brakes. It's such a 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.280 long way to go, so many different factors. He went 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:36.800 from UH fifty touchdowns his first year to UH was 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.040 the twenty six or twenty eight last year and the 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.680 regular he missed three. But I know he missed a 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.639 couple of games, but still it was down and it 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:47.760 wasn't They won a game in Detroit Dispatch regular season 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:51.879 where he didn't even throw any touchdowns. But I'm just 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.720 saying it was And if you watch the first three 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.000 quarters of the Super Bowl, you wouldn't be saying this 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.040 stuff that you're saying. My point is I would I 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.760 wouldn't be saying what about if if they lost that 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.520 held the go? Yes, if he would have lost, it 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.119 would still even though he would have got there, you 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.040 would have said that after what go hasn't had a bag? 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.159 I'm not I'm asking you, would that be your conversation? Yes, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.920 they lost this before they even got to the Super Bowl. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.600 Had had they lost and he pull as he did 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.040 the first three quarters, say they lost the game, you 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.680 would be out here saying he's the greatest thing we've 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.320 ever seen, and he's going to be the first of all. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.479 I'm not out here now saying he's the greatest thing 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.520 we've ever seen. I just think I'm out here saying 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.760 he's got gold potential. And yes, if they had lost 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.800 that Super Bowl, I still would say he's got gold potential. 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.800 I just would love uh. And and I always use 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:48.200 this whether it applies or not. I just remember Ron 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.199 Jaworski was an NFL quarterback for a long time, respected 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.919 NFL analyst who went out on the limb and told 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.119 everybody that Colin Kaepernick had the chance to be the 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.719 greatest quarterback whoever played the game. And I remember the 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.720 playoff game against the Green pack Green Bay Packers, and 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.320 I remember, uh, the spark and the charge and how 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.720 different he was, and the stories about how he changed 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.520 the quarterback position and you couldn't defend him and all 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:20.119 that other stuff and things happen and it didn't, it 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.680 didn't wind up working out. I'm not rooting against Patrick Mahomes. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.399 I just think the road is so long. And the 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:31.400 other part is the idea that whether I think Joe 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.399 Montana is the goal, but if people who want to 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:38.120 pick Tom Brady, the the the the goal or the 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:42.480 plat the plateau is so high, and it ain't just 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:46.200 about winning super Bowls. Okay it's not, but the but 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:49.080 the If you could use Brady as your standard nine 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.439 trips to the Super Bowl, six wins, uh MVP, some 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.280 of the other seasons and stuff that he's done, it 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.600 just looks like it's insurmountable to me that Patrick Mahomes 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:05.040 twelve years later is gonna have six super Bowls or 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.360 maybe four and no losses and the team's gonna stay 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.160 together and everything's gonna work out. Because I saw Tom 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.800 Brady and all his glory go ten years without winning 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.240 a super Bowl. Ten years. Go look it up. People 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.320 act like it was he won all of his super 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.880 Bowls in nine or ten years. There was he went 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.000 to the Super Bowl, Chris, but he lost, and he 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:28.120 lost to Eli Manning a couple of times. And when 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.520 I look at the landscape of all these young quarterbacks 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:36.640 to Seawan Watson and Lamar Jackson and all the other 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:40.119 guys two down in Miami who people are excited about, 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.360 and all these young guys out there who are who 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.639 are coming up, I don't think it's gonna be that 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.639 easy just to say he's gonna win every year and 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:51.280 it's it's a layup. I think there's going to be 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.040 pushed back from other guys. So I'm just not in 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.880 that camp. As great as his start is and as 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:00.800 much respect as I have for Patrick Mahomes, I've always 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.520 been a guy to let it breathe, open up the 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.320 bottle of wine, let him breathe a little bit. Job. 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.520 In twenty twelve, you said Tom Brady was done winning 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:14.520 Super Bowls. That was premature, though it wasn't prec was premature. 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.439 It was premature, and it was wrong. He got lucky 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.400 the last couple of years. That's what he's the bowl. 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:29.800 He's the local. Were luck stop last SuperNature? Can I finish? 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:33.000 You just went off for seven minutes? You I'm trying 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:37.200 to give give me the premature mess, all right? Because 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.080 you you were premature on Tom Brady. This is not premature. 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.440 What would be premature is to say that he's the goal. 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.800 That would be not only premature, that would be ridiculous 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.720 to say Patrick Mahomes is the goal, but to say 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:55.440 he's got the potential, it's not premature. He does. And 0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:02.679 to compare Colin Kaepernick and Nick. I'm off Colin Kaepernick 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:09.359 should be in the league. I'm Kaepernick on his best 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:14.640 day was not a three quarters of the quarterback that 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.119 Patrick Mahomes is on his best day. No, you're missing 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:26.640 the point. You might sound like it's all over. That's 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:31.600 my point. You're going to know because it's totally different. 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:37.440 Because Patrick Mahomes has an MVP. Colin Kaepernick didn't get 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:41.000 close to an MVP. Patrick Mahomes has a Super Bowl ring. 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.920 Colin Kaepernick didn't get close to a super which you 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:46.600 said it before he won the Super Bowl. You said 0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:50.159 it before that, but he's you said it before. Do 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.240 you watch the games or just read the stories. I 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:57.560