Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview Edition
Speaker 1: Filmmaker Series Edition. Because I'm sitting across from the very
Speaker 1: handsome if I may say, Hey, what is this Benjamin R.
Speaker 1: Harrison of a podcast fame? And Ben and I had
Speaker 1: started the Coen Brothers series a while ago and knocked
Speaker 1: out Blood Simple and Barton Fink only because we had
Speaker 1: a skip raising Arizona and Miller's Crossing, and we just
Speaker 1: done two of these. I've only done two, and I, uh,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been missing you man. I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to come back on the show for a long time.
Speaker 1: And I know it's been not right. We haven't done
Speaker 1: this center. It's been a real uh travesty of justice.
Speaker 1: I would say, I think people are angry and upset. Frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't blame us. What is movie Crush without Ben
Speaker 1: Harrison coming around? Every so often they say that's right, agreed, Uh,
Speaker 1: And just let everyone know. Ben has a background set
Speaker 1: upon a zoom that is the interior set of Paul
Speaker 1: Newman's office, uh, from The Hudsucker Proxy, the movie we're
Speaker 1: talking about, and we decided to, as per tradition, with
Speaker 1: both Ben and Adam, to have this over cocktails in
Speaker 1: the evening. It's eight o'clock for me, it's five five
Speaker 1: fifteen for me, five fifteen for you. What are you drinking?
Speaker 1: I am drinking some some apple brandy from St. George Distillery. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a special treat that as
Speaker 1: like it's like I would say, my favorite brown spirit,
Speaker 1: like full stop and having apple brandy, yeah, specifically the St.
Speaker 1: George Apple brandy. So and having that in my like
Speaker 1: like as a known known for a lot of people
Speaker 1: in my life means it shows up at like birthdays
Speaker 1: and holiday times a lot. So they seem me typing
Speaker 1: right now right, Well, you don't need to you don't
Speaker 1: need to type. I can. I can provide you some
Speaker 1: apple brandy. Check no, no, no, I'm typing. So now
Speaker 1: I have a reminder to send you Apple brand Okay,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're now on the the official list and
Speaker 1: oh you a shipment of oh you uh your package anyway?
Speaker 1: So ah, you don't you don't know me nothing? Um
Speaker 1: I do, though, but what's apple brandy? Like? It's like
Speaker 1: so I I first had their brandy and it was
Speaker 1: the not barrel aged version, so it was a clear spirit.
Speaker 1: In a rest taurant in New York called eleven Madison Park,
Speaker 1: it was like a very special, like once in a
Speaker 1: lifetime dinner for me at a very fancy restaurant. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the meal, they dropped off just
Speaker 1: a full milli eater bottle of this apple brandy on
Speaker 1: the table and said, like, enjoy as much of this
Speaker 1: as you would like. Like with the check, they bring
Speaker 1: this bottle of booze, and I'm like what and and
Speaker 1: like my like, I am like a eat everything on
Speaker 1: my plate kind of person. So like there's an impossible
Speaker 1: amount of alcohol here and we've just had dinner and
Speaker 1: like three glasses of wine. This is like the worst
Speaker 1: torture I've ever experienced. Because they've dropped the check. They're
Speaker 1: not charging us for this, it's built into the price
Speaker 1: of the meal. And I'm like, how much of this
Speaker 1: can I drink? And I start drinking and it's so good.
Speaker 1: It tastes like it tastes like you're biting into a
Speaker 1: fresh apple that has no sweetness, and it replaces the
Speaker 1: sweet with the spirit. And so they that that is
Speaker 1: a a private label that they only do for that restaurant,
Speaker 1: but the distillery makes a barrel aged version of the
Speaker 1: same that you can buy in your finer bottle shops,
Speaker 1: and uh, I really enjoy it. Well, I'm looking now.
Speaker 1: It says the St. George California Reserve Apple Brandy availability
Speaker 1: colon very limited. Yeah, it can be hard to find,
Speaker 1: but it's not like super expensive. I think it's like
Speaker 1: thirty five bucks or forty bucks for a bottle or
Speaker 1: something like that. Well, I am having a you know,
Speaker 1: I've kind of gangd this from you and Adam. That
Speaker 1: just tequila and a little soda. Yeah, that's the official
Speaker 1: beverage of the Greatest Generation our Star Trek podcast. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's like what I do is and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you do it quite this way, but I do
Speaker 1: um For this one, I'm doing the George Clooney Geo
Speaker 1: Clooneyism only calls it, uh cosamigos can't even think of
Speaker 1: the real name because we call it Geo Clooney And uh,
Speaker 1: you know about three quarters of that. And then I
Speaker 1: get a topa Chico because it just has the most fizz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I do a couple of splashes of topa Chico
Speaker 1: and then I do like like I do like half
Speaker 1: a lime. Yeah, so it's almost like the skinniest margariting.
Speaker 1: I love it. That's that is a that's a drink
Speaker 1: that I drank very often. Um. I mean the Cosomigos
Speaker 1: is my favorite. Riding motorcycles with my friend and no
Speaker 1: helmets tequila uh Hutch. Anybody that's seen the cosome Egos
Speaker 1: delivery truck will know that is how they market that
Speaker 1: particular brand of tequila. No safety. I do not understand
Speaker 1: that choice. It makes me worried for American movie star
Speaker 1: George Clooney every time I see it, But I love that.
Speaker 1: You know, recently Springsteen Springsteen was outed with the story
Speaker 1: of that, like being in that National Park on his
Speaker 1: motorcycle and doing tequila shots with his fans and getting
Speaker 1: back on his motorcycle got d w I and the
Speaker 1: you know, Fox News was just railing against him and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and I was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: you understand how fucking cool that made him. Look. He
Speaker 1: did tequila shots with random bands in a national party,
Speaker 1: and then not much. He did like two and then
Speaker 1: got back on his motorcycle. I think he blew a
Speaker 1: point oh four. They threw threw it out of court
Speaker 1: even and I was like, man, that that backfired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows his little big way. I love that. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he drank. You know, he had substance issues,
Speaker 1: So I guess he's learned how to d tequila shots
Speaker 1: with random bands and deal with it. That's uh, that's
Speaker 1: not easy to do, alright, So hudsucker proxy, we could
Speaker 1: talk about drinking all night. We have talked about drinking
Speaker 1: all night, we have in the past. But this is
Speaker 1: one of my one of my favorite Coen Brothers films,
Speaker 1: and it's like they're one of their least successful films
Speaker 1: and they're actolately successful, I think, and uh, and I
Speaker 1: have have to think that that has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with Joel Silver being the executive producer. Like I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like it's a weird combo. He wanted
Speaker 1: it to be. They're kind of move into more commercial
Speaker 1: film and they wanted to make a big budget Cohen
Speaker 1: Brothers movie. Yeah, did you uh did you hear that
Speaker 1: story about it being big and brown? It's kind of great.
Speaker 1: I'll read it for you this. I remember reading this
Speaker 1: back in the day and I looked it up to confirm,
Speaker 1: and this is from Rolling Stone. It said that Jennifer
Speaker 1: Jason Lee told the press just prior to shooting she
Speaker 1: had a biography of Rosalind Russell in which the actress
Speaker 1: insisted that big sets in the color brown kill laughs
Speaker 1: and Joel Silver Deadpand what we've got here is the
Speaker 1: biggest brownest comedy I've ever seen. Those huge sets and
Speaker 1: that Cohen Brothers are always in that rich tweetie brown,
Speaker 1: it feels like, at least in these period films. So
Speaker 1: it's they made a big brown movie, made a big
Speaker 1: brown movie. And Joel Silver like maybe more like a
Speaker 1: more like like authentic Jack Lipnick character you can't you
Speaker 1: can't point out in Hollywood today, like he's like off
Speaker 1: of fresh off of making like Commando and Predator, great
Speaker 1: great movies, absolutely, but like but like kind of a
Speaker 1: kind of a hilarious team up here, and they never
Speaker 1: teamed up again. Like I think that the Coen Brothers
Speaker 1: came off of this project, like, Yeah, working with Joel
Speaker 1: was really cool, and Joel Silver was like never again,
Speaker 1: Like we made the movie wanted to make. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a complete flop. It said it did not even
Speaker 1: clear three million at domestic box office, and I think
Speaker 1: costs plus to make. Um. But it is a movie
Speaker 1: that is was kind of crushed by critics at the
Speaker 1: time and has been reviewed a little bit more favorably since. Um.
Speaker 1: I didn't love it back in the day. I always
Speaker 1: rated it towards the bottom of my Coen Brothers list,
Speaker 1: and not that it was like terrible, but if you
Speaker 1: if you have to rank things, it was lower on
Speaker 1: my list. But I definitely, you know, after watching it
Speaker 1: today through the studied lens of movie crush, have more
Speaker 1: appreciation for it. It is a very classic, sort of
Speaker 1: by the numbers screenwriting, one on one kind of movie.
Speaker 1: And I think that was their intent to make sort
Speaker 1: of this homage to like Preston Sturgis and Howard Hawks
Speaker 1: and these sort of big broad romantic comedy kind of
Speaker 1: movies of the day. Yeah, and and and like in
Speaker 1: being a homage to old Hollywood and also kind of
Speaker 1: like a send up of old Hollywood. It. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I think that Hudsucker Proxy is uniquely appealing
Speaker 1: to movie nerds in a way that like, I think
Speaker 1: that in a way that kind of explains why it
Speaker 1: wasn't a big hit at the box office. Like, you
Speaker 1: kind of have to be really into the movi nous
Speaker 1: of it to to really enjoy it. And like I
Speaker 1: watched it with my wife last night and she was
Speaker 1: on Instagram within twenty minutes of the movie starting. You know, No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's definitely a movie. Even watching it today,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, of course it wasn't a big hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who ever thought it would be? I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like an I'm an idealist, and like, I mean
Speaker 1: their next their next movie is Fargo, right, yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's another one. It's that's the that's the high point
Speaker 1: of their career financially until more recently, I guess probably Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I maybe probably, uh what's the Western Uh? No
Speaker 1: Country for Old Man? No Country for Old Men? Probably
Speaker 1: is like the first time they made more than Fargo,
Speaker 1: right Yeah. I mean I'm looking over their films. I mean,
Speaker 1: none of them are the biggest movies ever, yet they
Speaker 1: they'll always get financed. I mean they made a movie,
Speaker 1: you know, five years ago, in Hail Caesar that I
Speaker 1: sort of liken a little bit to this one, and
Speaker 1: that it was sort of a big budget homage type
Speaker 1: thing that has fairly limited appeal. I think that the
Speaker 1: other thing that probably got them in trouble with the
Speaker 1: critics is that it's a da a sex Machina story
Speaker 1: that like Norville does not save himself. It's just a
Speaker 1: but but I love this is like the rare day
Speaker 1: of sex Makena that I really love because it it
Speaker 1: is so beautifully set up, like it's set up from
Speaker 1: the from the like opening shots and and and they
Speaker 1: build more and more framework for it over the course
Speaker 1: of the film, so that by the time wearing Hudsucker
Speaker 1: as Angel is floating down from heaven, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: here for it. Like, tell me how we are going
Speaker 1: to save the day with the with the blue letter
Speaker 1: that's still in the in the apron the blue letter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a movie that, um, I think they do
Speaker 1: well when they're saying when they're playing in the sandbox
Speaker 1: of sort of heightened reality, sort of fantasy, magical realism
Speaker 1: a little bit, which they do a little bit here
Speaker 1: and there, like, um, this movie maybe more magical realism
Speaker 1: than a lot of their others. Like yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: When when Moses like puts the broom handle and the
Speaker 1: clock skiers and turns, turns to camera and breaks the
Speaker 1: fourth wall. Yeah, now they're fully in at that point.
Speaker 1: But I'm all in, man, I mean I love it.
Speaker 1: I think they I think they do well in this
Speaker 1: sort of just slightly sideways world that they create. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still based in reality to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: but they dabble in that in other movies. I think, oh,
Speaker 1: brother Art thou dabbled a little bit out side that reality,
Speaker 1: even something like The Big Lebowski, you know, very grounded,
Speaker 1: but it's also has that the Sam Elliott narration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like almost a fairy tale kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I think that, like Moses really feels like The Stranger
Speaker 1: and The Big Lebowski. Like there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that happened in this movie that are that you see
Speaker 1: them try again in a stronger film The Big Lebowski
Speaker 1: like and and a lot of other like Coen Brothers
Speaker 1: kind of signature moves. I feel like start here and
Speaker 1: it's like they're like, it's got to be so weird
Speaker 1: to be them, because you know, this is known as
Speaker 1: a failure, but I feel like it is it succeeds
Speaker 1: at what it sets out to do. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: that's such a totally weird tension as an artist to
Speaker 1: to have have nailed it in some ways and yet
Speaker 1: like nobody cared and nobody liked it. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm sure they, like you said, I'm sure they walked
Speaker 1: away from this movie and they're like that was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it it is all up there on the screen.
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing no critic is gonna bult it
Speaker 1: for is how great it looks. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: Roger Deakins on board again, and uh, actually, I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is one of the first ones that he
Speaker 1: worked on them with I had to be right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess unless he did. Uh, I don't think he did.
Speaker 1: Barton Fink, did he? He may have done Barton Fink,
Speaker 1: but it was the very least pretty early in their
Speaker 1: relationship I think. But you know, it looks amazing he
Speaker 1: did and was that the first one that must have been? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it looks unbelievable. The art deco design in the
Speaker 1: in the sets, these huge big brown sets. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: just look amazing and it really holds up to it
Speaker 1: looks awesome. It's a it's it's really beautiful, like and
Speaker 1: and they really spared no expense, Like they built a
Speaker 1: miniature of Manhattan in it on a sound stage so
Speaker 1: that they could do the camera flying around and like
Speaker 1: the transit like that that opening shot where the cameras
Speaker 1: is coming in over New York and lands on Orville
Speaker 1: standing on the ledge of the Hot Sucker building is
Speaker 1: like a pretty sophisticated technical achievement for its time, because
Speaker 1: they like they're going from a miniature to a full
Speaker 1: sized thing, and they have to shoot the miniature in
Speaker 1: real time, so they had to have like micro fake
Speaker 1: snow because that snow is not digital except for the
Speaker 1: one part where it transitions from the miniature to the
Speaker 1: to the real and and and they had to like
Speaker 1: scale little snow for this little set and have it
Speaker 1: fall at the right eight to to look the way
Speaker 1: it's you know, to the look the way that snow looks.
Speaker 1: And that stuff is so bind blowing. It's not really
Speaker 1: like what you associate the Cohen Brothers with that like
Speaker 1: weird like technical special effects driven filmmaking. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that in this movie. Like and they wrote
Speaker 1: it in the eighties with Sam Raimie, like right after
Speaker 1: they did Blood Simple, and they didn't really like realize
Speaker 1: that they it was like unproducible at the time that
Speaker 1: they wrote it. Yeah, I mean I think they knew
Speaker 1: they needed more money than they would be able to
Speaker 1: get soon. Yeah, But um, I was surprised that I
Speaker 1: did the research today and saw that they wrote it
Speaker 1: back then too, and I was a little bit surprised
Speaker 1: that it wasn't like, well, now we've got some currency,
Speaker 1: so let's write something bigger, Like they wrote this apparently
Speaker 1: in Raising Arizona Um the work uniform for Nicolas Cage
Speaker 1: in one scene as it Hudsucker Industries patch, so like
Speaker 1: it was around back then. You want to hear. The
Speaker 1: wildest thing about that, though, is that the hula hoop
Speaker 1: part was not in that original script. That was a
Speaker 1: rewrite right before they like went into production on this.
Speaker 1: What was it then, I don't I don't even know,
Speaker 1: like they I don't know if they've talked about it,
Speaker 1: but they like needed him to come up with an
Speaker 1: invention that seemed like something that an idiot could come
Speaker 1: up with, but also that was like incredibly popular at
Speaker 1: the time, and it's so perfect to like, it's so
Speaker 1: brilliant from the very beginning with the circle of the
Speaker 1: coffee ring. Yeah. Uh oh man, I can't believe that
Speaker 1: wasn't in the original thing because it just fits so perfectly,
Speaker 1: I know, and it's it. It's in like every bit
Speaker 1: of the production design of this movie. It feels like
Speaker 1: it's it feels like it starts with a drawing of
Speaker 1: a circle on a paper and they're like, what what
Speaker 1: can we write a movie about to do with this?
Speaker 1: You know, and you know, for kids, and it's like
Speaker 1: it's all like perfect circles and straight lines, like vertical. Like.
Speaker 1: One of the things I love about the opening scene
Speaker 1: with wearing Headsecre jumping out of the window is that
Speaker 1: that boardroom table has like what looks like parallel lines
Speaker 1: on it, but they're actually lines that like split apart,
Speaker 1: like from from your perspective watching him run down towards
Speaker 1: the window. The lines on the surface of the table
Speaker 1: look like vertical lines on screen, but when you see
Speaker 1: the table overhead there, actually it's actually like a triangle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then every office has like really tall vertical lines
Speaker 1: in the windows. Every time you're looking at the city, obviously,
Speaker 1: the tall vertical lines of the buildings and well that's
Speaker 1: kind of the art deco thing right. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: when you see the the the elevation in the blueprint
Speaker 1: of the extruded plactic plastic dinghis it's like it's just
Speaker 1: they show the hula hoop on its side. It's just
Speaker 1: a vertical line. Of course. Man, I will never I've
Speaker 1: seen this movie if times now, but it had been
Speaker 1: a while. I will never not laugh at the hula
Speaker 1: hoop sequence with those kids and that one fucking kid
Speaker 1: that they got that was just going at it on
Speaker 1: the sidewalk, then it was around his neck, and then
Speaker 1: the kids screaming like that delights me every single time.
Speaker 1: Let's see it. It's amazing. I read that that kid,
Speaker 1: like like all the best audition stories, showed up to
Speaker 1: the audition with his own hula hoop and that like
Speaker 1: really impressed them, and he apparently just had like a
Speaker 1: ton of charisma and they were just like, this is
Speaker 1: the kid totally. Man, he looks like the kid. Uh
Speaker 1: and you know these are just Coen Brothers kids, but
Speaker 1: uh he because they don't use children a lot, but
Speaker 1: he looks like the kid one of the kids who
Speaker 1: ripped off uh minks, not mink, but the guy's wig
Speaker 1: in the alleyway in Miller's Crossing he was when he
Speaker 1: was dead in the alley. Those two kids pulled his
Speaker 1: two pay off and run away with it. He looks
Speaker 1: in my mind, it's the same kid, I know, it's not.
Speaker 1: He looks like a p past person, you know, like
Speaker 1: he looks like a photograph of a kid from the fifties. Um.
Speaker 1: You mentioned something earlier about some of the Cohen's patented
Speaker 1: sort of things stylistically, and that's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things about their movies is UM the stuff that they
Speaker 1: do in all their movies. One of them is the
Speaker 1: repeating dialogue, like saying a line twice in a row.
Speaker 1: Another thing is which I kind of just noticed today,
Speaker 1: was they have a thing with um having smart characters
Speaker 1: who are really dumb, and dumb characters who are really smart. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like most of their movies have that element
Speaker 1: in some way. Yeah. And and Tim Robbins is kind
Speaker 1: of that in this because he's not an imbecile, No,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a rube. He's he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: he's gotten himself into because he's unsophisticated and right like
Speaker 1: didn't have time to like work his way up and
Speaker 1: learn the ropes but he's not stupid, though I don't
Speaker 1: think he's brilliant, but he did admit the hula who
Speaker 1: he quote. He quotes Buddha and he tries to speak
Speaker 1: finish and like he's not he's They kind of picked
Speaker 1: the wrong guy obviously because about Win, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like Buzz, the elevator operator is kind of like like
Speaker 1: they kind of imply that, like Buzz has just as
Speaker 1: much potential to be the president of Utsucker Industries in
Speaker 1: some ways. He invented the bindy strong. That guy played
Speaker 1: PRIs Baluski in The Wire and I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: until this watch through. Yeah, he's been in uh. I
Speaker 1: remember from the singles the Cameron Crow movie. He was
Speaker 1: one of the grunge buddies. He's great. He's so funny
Speaker 1: in this movie. Like it's such a funnier role than
Speaker 1: I like think of that actor as being capable of
Speaker 1: Like it's so big and and he's like he's that guy, right,
Speaker 1: he has like this super low status job, but he's
Speaker 1: like snoppy and witty and like entertaining in this way
Speaker 1: that like you like if you're not sharp, you can't
Speaker 1: do that, you know, you can't like come up with
Speaker 1: jokes on the fly that way. Yeah. I mean that's
Speaker 1: some good writing, man. That that first scene we introduced
Speaker 1: to him and he's rhyming all the people getting on
Speaker 1: the elevator and he says whatever, so and so floor eight.
Speaker 1: He was like floor seven, walk down the floor, rhyme.
Speaker 1: And then Jennifer Jason Lee too. I mean, what a
Speaker 1: fucking performance man. Yeah, I think that. Uh. She got
Speaker 1: kind of criticized for being like to like machine gun
Speaker 1: with her dialogue and to stylized, but I think it's
Speaker 1: so good. And when she's not like doing the fast
Speaker 1: talking career gal stuff, when like in the in the
Speaker 1: quieter moments, especially when she's kind of falling in love
Speaker 1: with Norville, the she brings so much authenticity to that.
Speaker 1: Like it's so hard to imagine any other actress getting
Speaker 1: us from She is going to write the inside you know,
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes investigative journalism article that destroys this
Speaker 1: guy too. She is smooching with him on the balcony
Speaker 1: at the Christmas party, and I completely buy it, like
Speaker 1: they're like, her love for him feels so authentic and
Speaker 1: and likewise his for her. I think Tim Robbins was
Speaker 1: great in this role. Yeah, I agree. I really like
Speaker 1: they're pairing. Um I saw. I kept thinking in early on,
Speaker 1: especially with that mail room stuff, how Terry gilliam esk.
Speaker 1: I was like, this feels like Brazil. Yeah, absolutely, And
Speaker 1: I was like, am I alone in this? And a
Speaker 1: and a read article on Roger Ebert dot Com has
Speaker 1: a series called the Unloved Series where they write about
Speaker 1: movies that initially were you know, kind of panned and
Speaker 1: kind of revisit them. And the person who wrote this
Speaker 1: said that compared it to a mashup of Orson Wells,
Speaker 1: Chuck Jones cartoons, and Terry Gillham. Yeah. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that kind of nails it. Actually, Yeah, the satire
Speaker 1: is so much less biting than Terry gilliam though, Like
Speaker 1: one thing I always think about with this movie is
Speaker 1: how grim the the work life is for anybody that
Speaker 1: isn't in that boardroom at Hudsucker Industries. Like it doesn't like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't paint wearing Hudsuckers being this like benevolent deceased,
Speaker 1: you know, god of of his domain or whatever. Like
Speaker 1: the scene where Norvil is hired and the guy's explaining
Speaker 1: about all the ways that his pay can be docked
Speaker 1: and it's basically do anything not as a as a
Speaker 1: like perfect machine and like in the Old Man flinging
Speaker 1: the envelopes in Yeah, like like the the Angel of
Speaker 1: Hudsucker comes in to save the day at the end.
Speaker 1: But you realize, like even in the way that his
Speaker 1: dialogue is written, that he is much more like Sydney Musburger,
Speaker 1: the Paul Newman character, than he has like Marville. Like
Speaker 1: he says sure, sure and talk talks in such glowing
Speaker 1: terms about Paul Newman as like a you know, as
Speaker 1: like a pit bull or or you know, a ruthless
Speaker 1: businessman or whatever, and and that that is there's like
Speaker 1: a this topic element of Hudsucker Industries as and it
Speaker 1: almost totally contains the movie too. I was thinking this
Speaker 1: watch through about how we never see Norville like have
Speaker 1: like a shitty apartment at the beginning and then like
Speaker 1: a super fancy apartment when he becomes the CEO, Like
Speaker 1: you never see anything outside of that building aside from
Speaker 1: like the juice bar or the I didn't really think about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like the like his status obviously elevates, but also
Speaker 1: like that the way they this movie plays with time
Speaker 1: is really interesting because it's all supposed to take place
Speaker 1: in the course of a month. But you know, they're
Speaker 1: like that. I guess the scene where he's going down
Speaker 1: the elevator with Musburger and he's got like the top
Speaker 1: hat and the nice scarf and the like custom tailored suit,
Speaker 1: and Buzz notices that he's suddenly like a fancy man.
Speaker 1: I think that's supposed to happen on the same day
Speaker 1: that he walked into the building. Oh, interesting, because I
Speaker 1: don't know how Buzz wouldn't have noticed that before, you know,
Speaker 1: and and presumably Buzz would have like seen a copy
Speaker 1: of the Manhattan Argus in between, which apparently was covering
Speaker 1: only Hudsucker related news in the month of December, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because they start at the beginning of December, and
Speaker 1: they like, the board has this problem that they need
Speaker 1: to solved by the beginning of the financial year. Oh
Speaker 1: that's right. They set up the date at the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's I kind of had forgotten it was a
Speaker 1: stock scam until I rewatched it. Yeah, it's a real
Speaker 1: game stock type story. Um. Another bit, like, I love
Speaker 1: how the Cohens have so much subtle comedy in their movies.
Speaker 1: Um at the beginning when he goes to that job
Speaker 1: board and the job board is ticking through all the
Speaker 1: different jobs that are going to be there's so many
Speaker 1: funny jobs. One of them was bombardier, one of them
Speaker 1: was sand hogs. And then when he's looking through the paper,
Speaker 1: there's there's one that is Cats meets Man, like m
Speaker 1: E a T. Cats meets I mean the Cats Meets Man.
Speaker 1: That was like almost exactly the part of the movie
Speaker 1: where my wife had started to look at look at
Speaker 1: all these funny job listings. Yeah, I could picture Rachel
Speaker 1: just be like, Yeah. Emily doesn't like the Coen Brothers
Speaker 1: that much. She loves Fargo and a couple of others,
Speaker 1: but generally she's not really down with it. She hates
Speaker 1: that they mistreat animals and almost all their movies this
Speaker 1: is a rare movie where they don't know that I
Speaker 1: don't think there's an animal death, and this one maybe
Speaker 1: think Cats Cats Meats Man might be their own their
Speaker 1: little nod to the fact. Yeah, I mean, I I
Speaker 1: don't blame her, like I think that they they're a
Speaker 1: strong flavor, you know, and if it doesn't taste good
Speaker 1: to you, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't try and force
Speaker 1: this on somebody that was resistant to it, unless she
Speaker 1: was like my spouse and happened to be sitting on
Speaker 1: the couch next to me. I got a lot because
Speaker 1: we're watching something else, and I was like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: I gotta watch this movie for movie crush tomorrow. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that one over well, Sorry, Rachel. Another scene that
Speaker 1: really cracked me up because they're so not afraid to
Speaker 1: do some really dumb things comedically. That or is some
Speaker 1: of my favorite kind of humor is really dumb humor.
Speaker 1: And uh, the double stitch pants scene, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that gets me. When he's like, sir, I've got you.
Speaker 1: I've got you by then, and then they flashed back
Speaker 1: to that Italian suit maker and you know, the pants
Speaker 1: are ripping and he's going back and forth remembering that
Speaker 1: he cheeped out and just got the single stitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they had the other little insert where he goes,
Speaker 1: he's just such a nice guy, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: him the double stitch anyway. That's the nicest, strongest stitch.
Speaker 1: It's so dumb, and I can just see the Coen
Speaker 1: Brothers just like kind of tickled pink when they're writing
Speaker 1: something that's silly, I know, And I love that Paul
Speaker 1: Newman is like mad that he got the double stitch,
Speaker 1: even though it's saving his life, like he's gonna in
Speaker 1: real life he would have gone back and like, you know,
Speaker 1: chew the guy out or something crucially not so manned
Speaker 1: though that he doesn't take Norville to get his suits
Speaker 1: made by the same guy. Right, Oh, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because like the movie setting like the
Speaker 1: late fifties, but these are all very forties style suits.
Speaker 1: It is a little confusing. It seems very forties, but
Speaker 1: it's it's almost nineteen sixty, I think, right, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's the nineteen fifties, seven to fifty eight. I think
Speaker 1: is the is the New Years that it celebrates. It
Speaker 1: feels a little out of time. Yeah, yeah, And I'm
Speaker 1: wondering why they did that. Actually, I think it's intentional
Speaker 1: because it's like it's not about like like the movie
Speaker 1: is the Circle, right, it's the like it starts and
Speaker 1: ends at the same moment, and it it's like much
Speaker 1: more about karma and the wheel of fate than it
Speaker 1: is about like talking about a specific time in business.
Speaker 1: History or something like that, like Norville. Norville is much
Speaker 1: more a victim of the wheel of faith than he
Speaker 1: is like a guy who like went and and did
Speaker 1: a thing intentionally. Do I need to say these three
Speaker 1: words been film studies paper it was gonna happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is not I couldn't claim that as an original observation,
Speaker 1: just stuff that I've I've read people talking about with
Speaker 1: this movie. But like I think, I think it's in
Speaker 1: the movie, so it's it's fair to bring up. No,
Speaker 1: of course, And and like I was saying at the beginning,
Speaker 1: it definitely is a screenwriting, one on one type of movie.
Speaker 1: I mean the character arcs and the obstacles and the
Speaker 1: plot points hitting uh, it is a real rags to
Speaker 1: riches to rags kind of thing, um in you know, normal,
Speaker 1: Like it's interesting because he's handling it well, I think,
Speaker 1: and it is even humble at first, but there's there's
Speaker 1: no movie there, Like you've got to you've got to
Speaker 1: have him get too big for his bridges and and
Speaker 1: have that stumble, you know, and also just all of
Speaker 1: the like detail that is attendant to all of that.
Speaker 1: Like I think that that's the thing that always impresses
Speaker 1: me about this movie, Like every every watch through, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: like they built the whole mail room. They showed all
Speaker 1: of the like vacuum tubes that go throughout the building.
Speaker 1: They got, They've got the whole newsroom at the Manhattan
Speaker 1: Argus and the editor's office, like build as beautiful sets
Speaker 1: with hundreds of extras filling them out, and like all
Speaker 1: of these things are are so rich and detailed that
Speaker 1: it's like it's a it's it's like the feat is
Speaker 1: that it's like a beautifully built world. Like sometimes I
Speaker 1: just want to visit the world of the Hudsucker Proxy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they do that for I mean, you can see
Speaker 1: where they spent their money, because that mail room scene
Speaker 1: is is really impressive, and that's that's the only thing
Speaker 1: they kind of shot down there, right, Yeah, they even
Speaker 1: go back down there. I think that I think that
Speaker 1: that's the last time. And yeah, like it's kind of
Speaker 1: it's kind of hinted at later in the film when
Speaker 1: the when the Hula Hoop is a big success and
Speaker 1: some mail room guys are like dumping out sacks of
Speaker 1: mail on President Barns as desks. But but yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think we go back down there, and and then
Speaker 1: like I think that that's like the other part of
Speaker 1: it is that like he's not a very like moral character,
Speaker 1: you know, like he doesn't he's not like fighting for
Speaker 1: the for the little guy. Like he doesn't really give
Speaker 1: give a damn about those people in the mail room.
Speaker 1: Once he gets his success, he's like happy to have
Speaker 1: it for himself. And and and like I think that
Speaker 1: like we can kind of see ourselves in that character
Speaker 1: in some ways, like and and in a way that
Speaker 1: like we as the audience maybe like don't love and
Speaker 1: and I think that that's I think that's where the
Speaker 1: like satire and the like and the like critique of
Speaker 1: capitalism as a machine comes in to this film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's definitely there. I think the Coen Brothers, um,
Speaker 1: they're not the most like, uh, they're not statement filmmakers
Speaker 1: really know, but but I think you do find that
Speaker 1: stuff sprinkled throughout. And this is clearly the fact that
Speaker 1: the whole plot is around a stock scam. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's an accident. I think there is a bit
Speaker 1: of an indictment on on corporate America and greed. But
Speaker 1: they're they're just not interested in that stuff. They're much
Speaker 1: more interested in being goofy and fun and making a
Speaker 1: fun movie. I think, yeah, making a big brown fun movie,
Speaker 1: big round fun movie. I love it. I don't think
Speaker 1: I told you this. I saw. The last thing I
Speaker 1: did before coronavirus was I went on a little mini
Speaker 1: concert tour with my friend and Philly d C in
Speaker 1: New York to see Bonnie Prince Billy and Jonathan Richmond.
Speaker 1: And we ended up at town Hall in early March
Speaker 1: a year ago, almost exactly a year ago in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: town Hall for a show. I think I said you
Speaker 1: performed there once? You did? Yeah, performed there once? That's right, Yeah, Josh,
Speaker 1: and I did show there. You read that show I was.
Speaker 1: I don't think we knew each other then? What you
Speaker 1: didn't just pay to come to see a fucking show,
Speaker 1: did you? I don't remember how I got there. I
Speaker 1: did see that show though, very interesting. Yeah, do we
Speaker 1: not know each other then? I think we'd like, like
Speaker 1: we weren't good pals. Yeah, we weren't pals, but okay, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: uh Joel, I'm in line, this terrible, terrible booze line,
Speaker 1: and uh fucking Joel Cohen and his wife are walking
Speaker 1: right by me and sort of commenting about this line,
Speaker 1: and I froze and they walked by, And I've never
Speaker 1: been more upset to this day that I didn't like,
Speaker 1: why didn't I say, hey, man, come on, like I'm
Speaker 1: buying your drinks and your standing in front of me.
Speaker 1: You don't have you don't have to talk to me
Speaker 1: for the next five minutes. Like it's fine, but like
Speaker 1: I I owe you one, so go ahead and sneak
Speaker 1: in here. And I'm sure his wife would have been like, oh,
Speaker 1: of course, and he probably would been like, oh god,
Speaker 1: this guy. That's very funny. The biography of the Cohen
Speaker 1: Brothers that I I like, I reread The Hudsucker Proxy
Speaker 1: chapter two to get ready for this record. The author
Speaker 1: of that biography has a very similar story where he
Speaker 1: was at like the Edinburgh Film Festival or something like that,
Speaker 1: and like at a table with a bunch of screenwriters
Speaker 1: and filmmakers and the Cohen Brothers were there, but he
Speaker 1: was like talking to somebody else and like looks back
Speaker 1: on that moment with regret because like they were there
Speaker 1: to promote the Hudsucker Proxy and it was like a
Speaker 1: kind of like huge moment in their careers and he
Speaker 1: just didn't know that he was going to write a
Speaker 1: biography of them. One day, my friend worked with them
Speaker 1: on Haile Caesar and it was a little disappointing. They
Speaker 1: weren't jerks at all, but he just said he thinks
Speaker 1: so much of them, and I think wanted them to
Speaker 1: just be super friendly and outgoing and like hanging with
Speaker 1: the crew, and he just said they were just really
Speaker 1: business like, didn't really hang out with the crew much,
Speaker 1: weren't weren't abusive or jerks or anything, but just you
Speaker 1: know that thing you build up in your head, like
Speaker 1: you know, like we're all going to be best friends
Speaker 1: on this job, and it didn't. They just they're just
Speaker 1: not like that. He said. They were pretty serious guys
Speaker 1: and kind of get in and out and do their thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I mean it is what it is,
Speaker 1: like they are like at the stature as creatives where
Speaker 1: you like, hope, oh what if they noticed me and
Speaker 1: like you could be my little protege or something. I know,
Speaker 1: and I know I should have just bought him a drink.
Speaker 1: So it's still so mad. One of the kind of
Speaker 1: things that they butted heads with Joel silver on with
Speaker 1: this movie was they wanted Ethan to be Norville Barnes.
Speaker 1: They like, they kind of wrote the part for Ethan Cohen. Oh,
Speaker 1: really interesting, and they did a screen test and I
Speaker 1: would love to see that footage. I'm sure I'm sure
Speaker 1: that it's been destroyed or something, because, I mean, Joel
Speaker 1: Silver like makes so much fun of it in interviews.
Speaker 1: He's like, give me a break, Like Ethan Cohen could
Speaker 1: not carry a movie like we needed stars. We're spending
Speaker 1: thirty millions sweched to make this. It's a very broad
Speaker 1: at least the way Tim Robbins did it too, was
Speaker 1: very broad and at times even slapsticky. Yeah, and Ethan
Speaker 1: Cohen is not that that'd be very strange. It's it's
Speaker 1: hard to picture and and I think, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Tim Robbins is so funny in the part and
Speaker 1: and does such a great job that it's it's it's
Speaker 1: really hard for me to picture anyone else's Norville Barnes.
Speaker 1: I think you kind of stole the show, like it's
Speaker 1: it's nobody else's role. So but yeah, I saw um,
Speaker 1: I saw waiting for Guffman in New York at the
Speaker 1: Angelica years ago when it was out and Robbins and
Speaker 1: Surrandon we're in front of me and we ended up
Speaker 1: in in uh at urinals beside each other taking a
Speaker 1: leak afterward, and I was like, I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like I need to take a peek. Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: Tim Robbins and peeking. Have I told you my Tim
Speaker 1: Robbins story. So we lived in a an apartment, my
Speaker 1: wife and I before we were married, living in up
Speaker 1: Artman in Williamsburg, Brooklyn with another couple. I think I
Speaker 1: see where this is going. I didn't have it. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a swinging thing with no no, no, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you if I was right. We had a
Speaker 1: We had a backyard with this apartment that we shared
Speaker 1: with another apartment unit and a store. There was like
Speaker 1: a furniture store next door that's sold like really high
Speaker 1: end furniture that had access to the backyard. And the
Speaker 1: deal with the landlord was like we could all use
Speaker 1: the backyard as long as we didn't trash it, like
Speaker 1: everybody could use it. Um And I guess Tim Robbins
Speaker 1: went to this store to buy something one day and
Speaker 1: like a high enough ticket item that like some negotiation
Speaker 1: was happening, and he was like walking. We were sitting
Speaker 1: in our apartment like watching TV and looked out the
Speaker 1: window into the backyard and Tim Robbins and a salesperson
Speaker 1: were like kind of walking around talking turkey with each
Speaker 1: other in our backyard. And we're like, that's Tim Robbins
Speaker 1: about furniture, about nature. And we had like a we
Speaker 1: had like a screen door onto the backyard. And he
Speaker 1: walked up to the screen door and like put his
Speaker 1: hands to the side of his face to black the
Speaker 1: light and look looked into our apartment. Get out of here,
Speaker 1: Tim Robbins. Did you say anything. We didn't. We just
Speaker 1: I don't know if we could see us or not.
Speaker 1: But we're like all kind of star struck. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you do? Oh? New York.
Speaker 1: It's the best. It's so weird. On any given day,
Speaker 1: you can peek it, Tim Robbins. Tim Robbins can be
Speaker 1: in your backyard and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's talk about Paul Newman again, um a
Speaker 1: little bit. He's He's Paul Newman and this is uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is towards the end of his career.
Speaker 1: I didn't look up to see how many movies he
Speaker 1: did after this. I feel like he did a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean did he he it's so great in this role.
Speaker 1: It's kind of against type for him to be the
Speaker 1: kind of like like totally heartless still in in a movie,
Speaker 1: but he's great. He is. He's still so charismatic in
Speaker 1: the role. And there's so many like funny little details
Speaker 1: about his character, like when Norville meets his wife and
Speaker 1: then like we realized later that that's the woman that
Speaker 1: Wearing Hudsucker was in love with but kind of ignored
Speaker 1: because he was so focused on success, Like like like
Speaker 1: Paul Newman is the vice president of this company because
Speaker 1: he was like fractionally less work obsessed than Wearing Headsucker,
Speaker 1: which like kind of makes him like a slightly more
Speaker 1: endearing character in retrospect. Yeah, and just the balls to
Speaker 1: sort of cast this legend, I mean, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a big swing um and like the that they've ever
Speaker 1: worked with at the time, you know, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And and but like he had an a ton of
Speaker 1: fun on this movie, Like he said that really he
Speaker 1: said that it was like the most fun he'd had
Speaker 1: since he'd been in slap Shot. Oh, My god, isn't
Speaker 1: that amazing? Isn't it an amazing quote? Wow? So he
Speaker 1: was in Uh, he was in this, He was in
Speaker 1: a few more. He was in Nobody's full twilight Road
Speaker 1: to Perdition had to have come after this, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: Road to Perdition and like one more and then did
Speaker 1: some voice work. But you know, definitely in the twilight
Speaker 1: of his career as Musburger, and he he still just
Speaker 1: looks great. I mean he was always my mom's biggest crush.
Speaker 1: She was always just in love with Paul Newman and
Speaker 1: just impossibly handsome. I mean he was in his probably
Speaker 1: seventies here, and like, you know, I had a shirt
Speaker 1: off in that one scene, and I'm like, god, damn it,
Speaker 1: Paul Newman looks is ten times the man I am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in his old age Rachel put down her phone when
Speaker 1: when he was shirtless. For sure. Yeah, it's just a
Speaker 1: good guy. Like I mean, every story I've ever heard
Speaker 1: about Paul Newman is that um and obviously all his
Speaker 1: great charity work, Like you know, he's a good dude,
Speaker 1: but very very down to earth guy and easy to
Speaker 1: work with and just sort of a throwback to the
Speaker 1: you know that those great early days of the film
Speaker 1: industry with that star power. Yeah, and and really like
Speaker 1: brings his a game for this part in a in
Speaker 1: a way that like I don't think you needed to
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, he's he's already Paul Newman like that,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot more that he needs to say
Speaker 1: as a as a performer, but like still like doing
Speaker 1: the work. And like the other thing I read was
Speaker 1: that he didn't love the scene with the with the
Speaker 1: Taylor because his knees were visible and he didn't like
Speaker 1: the way his knees looked. And it was so sweet
Speaker 1: that he just like had a little self consciousness. I
Speaker 1: don't like my knees, I don't like my funny that
Speaker 1: that shot of him and during the time stop seeing
Speaker 1: where he's he's frozen, but that and it's clearly I'm
Speaker 1: holding the look. Yeah, it's not a freeze frame at all.
Speaker 1: He's just following him and being very stick because they
Speaker 1: need to push the camera in. Yeah, yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 1: And then uh, plexiglass. I had it installed last week,
Speaker 1: Like you knew something was going to happen when that
Speaker 1: guy takes off across the table. Incredible, Every every guy
Speaker 1: in the in the boardroom is like incredible casting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, the not counting the mezzanine guy, the
Speaker 1: the guy that's giving the presentation about how they're loaded
Speaker 1: at the beginning, like and is just amazing. Um. Also
Speaker 1: like just so people don't get mad at us and say,
Speaker 1: how could you know what? Mentioned Bruce Campbell. Bruce Cambell
Speaker 1: is also in this movie. Not a very big part,
Speaker 1: but he's you know, he's great. He's dashing and he
Speaker 1: really fits like we Bruce Campbell would have done more stuff,
Speaker 1: like more Smitty's would have been great, especially at this
Speaker 1: era of his career. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's that
Speaker 1: he was never that leading man like he was in
Speaker 1: the Evil Dead movies. But I don't know, he had
Speaker 1: he had the look of like a big star. I
Speaker 1: wonder if his involvement has to do with Sam Raimi
Speaker 1: because Sam Raimi was the second unit director. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he directed those scenes. Also. I think, I mean
Speaker 1: they were all buddies from back in the day, Ramy
Speaker 1: and Campbell and the commins, uh you know, Frame mcdormant
Speaker 1: was living with Holly Hunter and Jason Alexander. I think
Speaker 1: they were all roommates. I know, like it's just nuts
Speaker 1: to think about this, this small group of friends that
Speaker 1: all ended up being huge. I'll also not hear the
Speaker 1: end of it if I don't bring up John Mahoney
Speaker 1: as the editor of the City of the City pages
Speaker 1: at the Manhattan Argus. He's full John Mahoney so good. Um.
Speaker 1: I always asked the question, where do you remember where
Speaker 1: you were when you found out John Mahoney was gay?
Speaker 1: I was in my basement right now talking to you.
Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah, it's it's a I
Speaker 1: don't think I knew that. One of my favorite, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite character actors in Hollywood, and uh, and
Speaker 1: like he he is, like he had this like secret
Speaker 1: life that like I feel like nobody knows about. Wow,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I knew that. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm hearing that for the first time. But I'm also
Speaker 1: feeling that maybe you told me that already a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago or something, but it basically never stopped
Speaker 1: talking about. It's the greatest and we're just like in
Speaker 1: awe of the fact that that like has has escaped
Speaker 1: the public attention. Yeah, because he should be a gay icon.
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like he kind of is, but
Speaker 1: like the straight world just doesn't know about it, right right,
Speaker 1: that's sad whenever I hear about that stuff that people
Speaker 1: you know, have to keep all that ship secret, and
Speaker 1: especially from his era. You know, well, now Fraser's like
Speaker 1: apparently being rebooted or something, and and like, I just
Speaker 1: don't think I think that, I think you need John
Speaker 1: Mahoney for that. He passed away to though, didn't he Yeah, sad,
Speaker 1: I'd like see Frasier again though, I guess, so get
Speaker 1: the aisles back in there, it'll be fine. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: knew John mahoney first from say Anything the Cameron Crow
Speaker 1: movie where he played Ione Sky's father. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: definitely my first introduction to him. And then of course
Speaker 1: in in Barton Fink, you know, one of the great
Speaker 1: all time roles. Totally. Uh maybe I brought that up
Speaker 1: on the on the Barton Fink episode. We'll have to
Speaker 1: go back into the movie archives and listen. Someone will
Speaker 1: probably point it out, like you dummy said, the same thing,
Speaker 1: that's his that's his pocket. Fact. The listeners always no
Speaker 1: more and they than the host. That is definitely true. Always. Uh, well,
Speaker 1: do do you have anything else on your lists for
Speaker 1: this man, I feel like we really covered it. Um,
Speaker 1: this is a favor of mine, something a film I
Speaker 1: revisit a lot more than some of the other Cohen Brothers,
Speaker 1: Like I think that a lot of their other movies
Speaker 1: are better movies, like Objectively Raising Arizona is a better movie.
Speaker 1: But I watched Hudsucker Proxy more often, and um, and
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's the world building. I
Speaker 1: think it's a place I like to visit because it
Speaker 1: just feels so fully realized, and I like that's something
Speaker 1: I'm drawn to in all kinds of media. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a real achievement, Like I it like watching
Speaker 1: it this time, I was like, what if the Cohen
Speaker 1: Brothers did a movie in a sci fi context? Like
Speaker 1: I feel like this amount of world building like makes
Speaker 1: me believe that they could in a way that like
Speaker 1: that would be as as great as Blade Runner, which
Speaker 1: was the movie that they screened for their art department
Speaker 1: before they shot this. They were like to feel as
Speaker 1: in this world as we do in Blade Runner. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: and this is Taylor made for you too, because it's
Speaker 1: got great suits and wardrobe and great furniture and like
Speaker 1: all the things that I know that you have a
Speaker 1: deep appreciation for I love this stuff. It's it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I mean they I don't know. I think Cohen Brothers
Speaker 1: movies can almost be divided up into a few different buckets. Um,
Speaker 1: and the period peace bucket is is one. They haven't
Speaker 1: done a ton of contemporary films, and it's always a
Speaker 1: little weird when they do. I like them, Like, we'll
Speaker 1: get to these, but I'm I'm always on record as
Speaker 1: being big fans of Intolerable Cruelty and burn after reading
Speaker 1: and uh, certainly No Country, and you know they once
Speaker 1: they started doing like westerns. But um, I do love
Speaker 1: their period stuff. Man, there's something about and Fink and
Speaker 1: Meluch Crossing and this and oh brother that just like
Speaker 1: such a rich world. There's just a couple of genres
Speaker 1: that I hope that they like get to on their
Speaker 1: dance card. What else. I mean, like they've done horror
Speaker 1: somewhat like I think Blood simple simple as a horror movie,
Speaker 1: but like I like a really like like a monster
Speaker 1: movie almost is like is like something that's interesting to
Speaker 1: think about, Like what would they do with that? Wow?
Speaker 1: I know that Joel is doing his own thing for
Speaker 1: the next movie, for the first interesting. Wow, it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a half as good it might be. You
Speaker 1: never know, Yeah, I'll never know because it didn't mind
Speaker 1: that drink. Yeah, you could have. You could have been
Speaker 1: the screenwriter that. All Right, dude, Well this is a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. It's always great seeing you. And let's
Speaker 1: not wait for six months or whatever. Let's do this
Speaker 1: again in a couple of months or so. Absolutely, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, man, every every time you offer,
Speaker 1: I am available. All right. I love that, Thanks, Bud Cleater.
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