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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting next to my partner in crime,

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Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. We are already in week

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Speaker 1: seven of the NFL season. That's kind of hard to believe,

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Speaker 1: but the seventh game for the Green Bay Packers will

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Speaker 1: be at home at lambeau Field Sunday noon Central Time

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Speaker 1: kickoff against the Oakland Raiders from the a f C West.

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Speaker 1: An interesting thing here. Just a few weeks ago the

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Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, as everybody knows what the schedule, all the

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Speaker 1: NFC North teams this year, are playing all of the

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Speaker 1: teams in the a f C West. A few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders went into US Bank State EUM in

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Speaker 1: Minneapolis kind of got it handed to him a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of Packers fans saw that

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Speaker 1: result and said, Okay, well, when Oakland comes to lambeau Field,

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Speaker 1: that shouldn't be too much of a problem. Well, the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, the Oakland Raiders have gone on

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Speaker 1: the road to beat the Indianapolis Colts one week before

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Speaker 1: the Colts went to Arrowhead and beat the Chiefs, and

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Speaker 1: then prior to their bye week last week, the Raiders

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Speaker 1: went over to London and beat the Chicago Bears. So

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Speaker 1: suddenly this matchup looks a lot different than it did

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Speaker 1: a couple three weeks ago. And this Raiders team is

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Speaker 1: coming into lambeau Field very much in the thick of

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Speaker 1: the race in the f C West. Yeah, Oakland is

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Speaker 1: a problem. I mean, they really are. I mean I

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Speaker 1: think they've they've shown that this is a young team.

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Speaker 1: As John Gruden said in his conference call with Green

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Speaker 1: Bay reporters, they're building what they believe is their vision

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Speaker 1: for what is going to be a successful run here

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Speaker 1: with his stewardship again in a stick, his second stint

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Speaker 1: with the organization, and there are going to be lumps.

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Speaker 1: I still wonder at the end of the year if

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Speaker 1: this probably ends up being like an eight and eight

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Speaker 1: hype ball club, because there's just weeks where they they

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Speaker 1: you know, Derek Carr, I think you've seen this year

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Speaker 1: their defense is not the sieve that it was a

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Speaker 1: year ago. They've they've had some guys that are stepping up,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got guys like Darren Waller, who came

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Speaker 1: from the practice squad of Baltimore last year. John Gruden

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Speaker 1: even said they didn't really even know about this guy

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Speaker 1: until they played Baltimore and saw him warming up before

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Speaker 1: the game as a converted receiver. They like what they saw,

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Speaker 1: they signed him to the roster, and here he is

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Speaker 1: now signing a pretty big extension with the team this

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Speaker 1: past week. First and foremost, though, if you talk about

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Speaker 1: any particular aspect of their offense, I really think it

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Speaker 1: comes down to Josh Jacobs. This is a guy that

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Speaker 1: they had to kind of project on a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He was not in every down back at Alabama, but

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Speaker 1: they felt like he had those tendencies. And I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at their win loss record this year,

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Speaker 1: that team has gone as he has gone. And that's

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Speaker 1: a guy that the Packers run defense, while improved last

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Speaker 1: well you said it. While and Jacobs are the two

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Speaker 1: guys offensively as far as those perimeter players who stand

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Speaker 1: out statistically, Waller has I believe more than twice as

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Speaker 1: many receptions as anybody else on the Raiders roster. And

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Speaker 1: then Jacobs. We got a glimpse because the London game

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Speaker 1: defense to win that ballgame, and Josh Jacobs was a

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Speaker 1: big part of it. Remind me quickly where he played

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Speaker 1: to be just Jacobs. Well, and it's not just Jacobs,

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Speaker 1: it's their offensive line too, right. I mean, Rodney Hudson

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Speaker 1: pretty good football at their left guard position now. Trent Brown,

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Speaker 1: off the field things. He's also dealing with, I believe

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Speaker 1: really certain. But I just think that not only it

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Speaker 1: So dealing with planter fasciitis, and and drewden't even saying

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Speaker 1: right now sitting at I believe what two and three?

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning and Thursday evening the Kansas City Chiefs and

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Speaker 1: Denver beats Kansas City tonight, Oakland is coming into lambeau

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Speaker 1: So this could be a highly motivated team. I think

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Speaker 1: in December compared to where they are right now. What's

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Speaker 1: What stands out to you on the defensive side of

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Speaker 1: coming back to Green Yestely. Alec is a kid from

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Speaker 1: The thing I love more than anything about Alec though,

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Speaker 1: now this will be the second one in the span

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Speaker 1: Lambeau really incredibly special. He mentioned he had a ton

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Speaker 1: of ticket requests for this game. Unfortunately, as you know,

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Speaker 1: ticket allocations. So he has about twenty really close family

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Speaker 1: great story in Alec Angold, and certainly as he tries

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you remember that. I didn't um. But Oakland's

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Speaker 1: to say when you don't have your resources that receiver.

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Speaker 1: Look at what the Oakland Raiders are going through right now.

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Speaker 1: You need to have a ground game, and the Packers

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Speaker 1: very much have that. And it's a two headed monster.

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Speaker 1: It's never gonna please fantasy football owners. But last week

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Speaker 1: that game needed to get into the hands of Jamal Williams.

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Speaker 1: He stepped up to it. It could very easily be

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Speaker 1: Aaron Jones this Sunday. But either way, they have two

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Speaker 1: backs that you can turn to when maybe your star

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Speaker 1: the chains moving at times. If that's what it takes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and I mean Danny vitally fits into that as well.

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Speaker 1: It's it's the prototype, the way that this thing, the

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Speaker 1: blueprint that Matt Luthor draws it up. He wants to

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Speaker 1: be able to threaten you another in multiple ways. Because

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Speaker 1: the course of a season, in sixteen games, Mike, you're

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Speaker 1: going to have to make alterations and adjustments. The Packers

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Speaker 1: did that the last two weeks and they came up

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Speaker 1: with two big victories. All right, Well, with that, we'll

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Speaker 1: call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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