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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics.
Speaker 3: Cheat Here always good to be honest, especially I think
Speaker 3: todight was a very delightful night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about what happened there.
Speaker 3: I think that the real is that it was not
Speaker 3: just a debate, but it was a bating debate, and
Speaker 3: that Tavala Harris is not just a master debater but
Speaker 3: a master baiter. That does sound right, that's about books
Speaker 3: joke anyways, But she did a masterful job of baiting
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, just like casually mentioning stuff that she knows
Speaker 3: would provoke him to go on like long, digressive tirades.
Speaker 3: And that was just succeeded in like basically derailing him
Speaker 3: from his talking points and making him sound incredibly unhinged,
Speaker 3: which is I think it's harder thing to do than
Speaker 3: you would think. I think he's unhinged when he's speaking
Speaker 3: to his crowd at rallies, but during debates, he's a
Speaker 3: little bit more control. He knows a little bit more
Speaker 3: that he's addressing a mainstream audience. And I think what
Speaker 3: Harris did was like just provoke him to go into
Speaker 3: take mask off, like just revert to the Donald Trump
Speaker 3: that he is in the rallies. And I think that
Speaker 3: this will serve her very well. She had her defending
Speaker 3: the January sixth protesters or insurrection asked, had him say
Speaker 3: that no one was heard on the government side on
Speaker 3: January sixth, had him cited Victor Orbon and there's the
Speaker 3: European leader who respects me, Victor Orbon. So he has
Speaker 3: had him defend the Charlottesville by citing Laura Ingram and
Speaker 3: shot like, none of these things are like things I
Speaker 3: would have appealed to mainstream bodies at all, they would
Speaker 3: actually turn off before mainstream you had him talking about
Speaker 3: like eating cats and dogs. So if the goal was
Speaker 3: to McDonald trump sound and hinged, bevision accomplished.
Speaker 1: I think it's worth realizing that there's an axis become
Speaker 1: a very right wing site now. But but their trending
Speaker 1: is you know, oh my god, Trump right never a
Speaker 1: great sign and also has Trump and I think both
Speaker 1: of these show that he is actually really he did
Speaker 1: not What's funny because it's like, we just saw this
Speaker 1: other debate where I really did see that Trump wasn't great,
Speaker 1: but it was he was so upstaged by Biden, yes,
Speaker 1: whatever was going on there, that it was hard to
Speaker 1: focus on Trump.
Speaker 2: But when you.
Speaker 1: Got him with someone who and remember he had been
Speaker 1: running on mental acuity. He had literally the campaign had
Speaker 1: been like Trump is more with it.
Speaker 2: And then you now have.
Speaker 1: A candidate who is fifty nine years old and who
Speaker 1: actually what she did tonight and I say, this is
Speaker 1: someone who who manages, who does a lot of live television.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to keep your wits about you. And
Speaker 1: then also she basically provided a real time fact check.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right, Yeah, I know she did all that,
Speaker 3: and I want underscore again. Her strategy was clearly to
Speaker 3: bring up to hit his buttons and to imagine the
Speaker 3: stuff that gets him annoyeded that crowd sizes did just yeah,
Speaker 3: gradually crowd sizes and then Trump goes on a long
Speaker 3: tirade about how great his crowd sizes are and how
Speaker 3: people love him about rallies, and that's something that I
Speaker 3: don't think has like mainstream appeal, like people that actually
Speaker 3: plays up what people don't like about Trump, which is
Speaker 3: ego test. So I think the way she handled them,
Speaker 3: I think she totally dominated and got in a few
Speaker 3: very good singers where he said he kept on talking
Speaker 3: about Joe Biden, and she did that partially. She would
Speaker 3: mention things that would get Trump to start using his
Speaker 3: talking points about Joe Biden, and then she had the
Speaker 3: perfect line, I'm not Joe Biden. You're not pretty Joe Biden.
Speaker 3: So I yeah, I think it's pretty clear for everything
Speaker 3: we're seeing for the betting markets to like the online reaction,
Speaker 3: it's pretty clear that Harris won the debate. And it's
Speaker 3: a very striking contrast to the first debate with Biden,
Speaker 3: and I think you actually see the abortion issue where
Speaker 3: on both cases, like Trump basically said the exact same
Speaker 3: thing on abortion in both debates where he said, like
Speaker 3: everyone wanted to get rid of Roe v.
Speaker 4: Wade right right right?
Speaker 3: Why didn't totally watch that response when he started talking
Speaker 3: about illegal immigrants killing people like for whatever reason at Harris,
Speaker 3: her response was totally on point about like all the
Speaker 3: horrible things that are happening now that abortion is being
Speaker 3: restricted to America. You had concrete stories and then basically
Speaker 3: getting the basic point, which is actually the vast majority
Speaker 3: of Americas like rollv Wade and see the restored. I
Speaker 3: just think, yeah, I will see how things play out.
Speaker 3: But I think this is a very strong debate perfore Vince,
Speaker 3: and I think this puts her in a very good
Speaker 3: position for the remaining campaign.
Speaker 1: And one of the things she was able to do,
Speaker 1: which I was really struck by, was she was able
Speaker 1: to stop and say things like she talked about the
Speaker 1: woman bleeding out in the hospital right in the parking lot, right.
Speaker 1: She's talked about the kind of the kind of real
Speaker 1: life things we've seen since overturning ree v Wade. And
Speaker 1: one of the things he does is he speaks very
Speaker 1: broadly about things, partially because he doesn't really care, mostly
Speaker 1: because he doesn't care, but also because the sort of
Speaker 1: minutia of these policies is lost on him, and also
Speaker 1: because a lot of the minutia is his policies not working.
Speaker 1: And so for her to bring it to that moment
Speaker 1: of the woman in the parking lot waiting to bleed out,
Speaker 1: I think was poignant and you could see he didn't
Speaker 1: quite know how to process that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, I think that. I mean from
Speaker 3: his point of view, like, I think the best thing
Speaker 3: that he could do is like cabrit where he is
Speaker 3: strong at least warding the polls, like immigration. And I
Speaker 3: think that part of the success of this was that
Speaker 3: whenever he would do that, she would just get him
Speaker 3: to derail himself, like just mention something that got him
Speaker 3: off topic. And so Trump, as the debate progress, was
Speaker 3: increasingly incoherent, increasingly angry, and increasingly showing his age, and
Speaker 3: so she could end with that very nice. Really, I'm
Speaker 3: not Joe Biden and I'm not Donald Trump, Like it's
Speaker 3: time for a new generation, So turning the age issue against.
Speaker 1: Them, right, And I think I also think you definitely
Speaker 1: saw some of the kind of you know, just her
Speaker 1: ability to speak more clearly, think more clearly, you know,
Speaker 1: understand policies more clearly. Part of why Trump won, I
Speaker 1: think in twenty sixteen was because he was a celebrity
Speaker 1: and she and even though Clinton was very good in
Speaker 1: these debates and she did win, worth remembering that Clinton
Speaker 1: did theoretically at least win every debate. I think there
Speaker 1: was one where it seemed like he did a little
Speaker 1: better than she did. But she did really make these debates.
Speaker 1: She didn't she wasn't able to articulate policy in the
Speaker 1: same way that Harris, since I think Harris has been
Speaker 1: really able to particulate policy in these sort of bite
Speaker 1: sized nuggets that are easier She's they're easier to sneak
Speaker 1: in there. If that makes any sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well absolutely, I know. I think, Yeah, it's hard
Speaker 3: not to praise her performance. I think there were moments
Speaker 3: where she's seen a little bit nervous, Yeah that's about it.
Speaker 3: But even that I find really humanizing and understandable. Whereas
Speaker 3: I think she got Trump to present himself at his worst,
Speaker 3: and she also clearly present was able to show that
Speaker 3: she has a mastery of detail as you said, and
Speaker 3: then a mastery of policy. So I think that like
Speaker 3: for the voter, yeah, I think for the people who
Speaker 3: are still in doubt or the double haters, I think
Speaker 3: she's given them like a really good permission structure to
Speaker 3: come support her, you know. Having said that, I will
Speaker 3: say that, like, I'm looking at the polls and it
Speaker 3: really seems like the weaknesses are still like young people
Speaker 3: and Latinos. They haven't come on board as much as
Speaker 3: they did in twenty twenty. So I'm thinking that now
Speaker 3: that I think with the debate they've gotten that sort
Speaker 3: of center of swing vooters, they really need to wrap
Speaker 3: up the base now. I think there's part of the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party base that needs to be tending to and
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that's where the campaign moves to.
Speaker 1: And I mean that I think, Look, the campaigning is
Speaker 1: going to be a real thing. Right, she has to campaign,
Speaker 1: but she knows she has to campaign. The question was
Speaker 1: can she win double haters? Can she make a case
Speaker 1: that she is in fact, that she is in fact
Speaker 1: just that she is actually a solution to their problems.
Speaker 1: It seemed to me that she made a lot of
Speaker 1: cases about that, whether or not they don't vote for
Speaker 1: her because she's a woman, and because she's a woman
Speaker 1: of color that we can't know until election day, and
Speaker 1: I think that is central anxiety. But he is completely
Speaker 1: on he thinks he kept saying things about Biden, and
Speaker 1: then he said Biden got money from China, Like he
Speaker 1: just cannot adjust to the fact that he's not running
Speaker 1: against Biden.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, he clearly seems like out of touch and not present,
Speaker 3: not like in the present moment, which is the way
Speaker 3: Biden seemed in the first debate. I think that just
Speaker 3: as the first debate really marks the end of Biden's
Speaker 3: political career, let's hope that this marks this debate marks
Speaker 3: the end of Trump's political career, at least the right
Speaker 3: the beginning of the end, the beginning of the sine
Speaker 3: going because this is I think we've been waiting for
Speaker 3: a long time, Like, actually have a really competent prosecutorial
Speaker 3: debater go after Donald Trump. And I think, like I
Speaker 3: have to say, like everyone else, I was nervous going in.
Speaker 3: I she harris more than living up to my best
Speaker 3: hopes for her. Like I think it's hard for me
Speaker 3: to say see how she could have done better, at
Speaker 3: least in terms of the presentation and argument.
Speaker 1: It's also true that Trump is a liar and he's
Speaker 1: not bound by the same stuff the normal candidates are.
Speaker 1: We all have this anxiety, I think, and you tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, which is real we all know
Speaker 1: sitting in our rooms, in our living rooms watching that
Speaker 1: Harris definitely won. She fat checked him. She was saying
Speaker 1: she made sense. He had teen You're the puppet moments, right,
Speaker 1: he said. Victor Orbon says she's doing a terrible job. Right,
Speaker 1: like at every point she was able to own him
Speaker 1: intellectually right.
Speaker 2: She knows policy. He doesn't know policy.
Speaker 1: She knows this, she knows that she actually knows stuff,
Speaker 1: and she's smart. The question we all now have and
Speaker 1: is do the American voters want someone who's smart and
Speaker 1: capable or do they want an orange guy they saw
Speaker 1: on television.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Americans have ever wanted Trump. He
Speaker 3: has never won the popular vote, right with it if
Speaker 3: the popular vote world of better. He has two substantial
Speaker 3: losses and is on track for a third one. The
Speaker 3: real question is do the crucial swings voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan,
Speaker 3: and Georgia how they track down? But I think that
Speaker 3: there's a lot. I think there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 3: to feel happy, like not just the debate performance, but
Speaker 3: it's gonna be coupled with a really great get out
Speaker 3: the vote machine and as you said, super campaigning, not
Speaker 3: just by Harris Balta, by Waltz, the Obama's Elizabeth Warre
Speaker 3: and Bernie Sanders. They have a great crew of people
Speaker 3: that are going to go out there. So I'm pretty
Speaker 3: there's no sure thing, but I'm feeling much better now
Speaker 3: that I was. Like the end of the debated June's.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was, and the debate in June really
Speaker 1: felt very It felt like the inverse of this, right.
Speaker 2: It felt like Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Was able to really make Biden look like he didn't
Speaker 1: have control over the situation, and that was really pretty bleak.
Speaker 1: There was that moment where Trump said to him, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying, but you don't either, and it.
Speaker 2: Was just so dark. I actually watched the whole debate.
Speaker 1: Everyone else in my living room was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to bed, I can't watch this, which I think is
Speaker 1: a pretty good sign of just how bleak it was.
Speaker 1: And again, this is not Joe Biden. I think we
Speaker 1: will look back on his presidency as an incredible filled
Speaker 1: with incredible accomplishments for the American people. But he is
Speaker 1: also eighty one. Now, of course Donald Trump is seventy eight.
Speaker 3: That's right. No, he's seventy eight and he looks seventy.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, debait really brought out like his age
Speaker 3: as a factor, and hopefully you'll be picked up in
Speaker 3: terms of the lies, like I do think she did
Speaker 3: the fact checking. I have to give ABC credit, they
Speaker 3: did some fact checking. Yeah, but I think that the
Speaker 3: real rubber hits the road is the coming days because
Speaker 3: the newspapers, everyone will have to take it up. And
Speaker 3: I have to say, I think that Trump was provoked
Speaker 3: into some lines that are so egregious and so terrible.
Speaker 3: I think the cats and eating.
Speaker 1: That you know.
Speaker 3: Aboutationis, yeah, that's that's a lot of that stuff to me,
Speaker 3: like that only appeal to the hardcore like who likes that,
Speaker 3: Like Stephen Miller, right.
Speaker 2: Miller likes that.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna I think appeal to a mainstream American audience.
Speaker 3: And I think that I think the Democrats have to
Speaker 3: stay strong on this. They hit back, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think just like the people like citing in a debate,
Speaker 3: who's he citing as like his authorities Urban Laura ingram Sean.
Speaker 3: So you're basically running to win that Fox audience and
Speaker 3: it's like you you can't win an election with that.
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Speaker 4: I'm so glad to be here. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: So explain to us this incredibly worrying sort of situation
Speaker 1: that's going on that's sort of running parallel to the election.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, you know, obviously the election is super important
Speaker 4: and everybody's concerned about the outcome. We also have some
Speaker 4: other brewing crises that are not really at the top
Speaker 4: of people's radar. There's a lot of feeling that Harris
Speaker 4: wins things are going to be okay, which is partly true.
Speaker 4: But we have a situation coming up with the government
Speaker 4: potentially being shut down at the end of September, so
Speaker 4: there's a bill being worked on right now to get
Speaker 4: past that. And you know, this comes up periodically, and
Speaker 4: oftentimes the government gets shut down for a couple three
Speaker 4: weeks and it creates a certain amount of chaos and noise,
Speaker 4: and then we move on. That situation. Isn't that big
Speaker 4: of a deal because it does happen sometimes, and you know,
Speaker 4: the only issue with that really right now happening at
Speaker 4: this moment, is that it's going to happen right in
Speaker 4: the middle of the election run up, and so it
Speaker 4: might create an opportunity for people to say that, you know,
Speaker 4: the Biden administration is chaotic and to sort of pin
Speaker 4: that on Harris.
Speaker 1: Right, but the general thinking is actually that the shut
Speaker 1: down with her Republicans because they're in charge of the House.
Speaker 4: But yes, right, you could still come up with a
Speaker 4: scenario where they think that they might be able to
Speaker 4: pin it on the Biden Harris administration. So that's not great,
Speaker 4: but you know, we'll probably survive that. The bigger issue
Speaker 4: that's coming up right at the beginning of twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five is that we have the debt ceiling coming up again,
Speaker 4: And for those that don't remember, basically, you know, we
Speaker 4: have a cap on the total amount of what the
Speaker 4: US debt can be, and every twelve to eighteen months
Speaker 4: or so. Right now we seem to be having to
Speaker 4: raise it again in order to kind of pay our
Speaker 4: bills and move on to do what needs to be done.
Speaker 4: So what's happening is we last raise the debt ceiling
Speaker 4: in mid twenty twenty three, and the ceiling was raised
Speaker 4: until January second, twenty twenty five is the estimated date
Speaker 4: that that's going to expire. So what you know that
Speaker 4: means is that we need to at that moment or beforehand,
Speaker 4: ideally pass authorizing legislation that would increase the debt ceiling
Speaker 4: and to avoid a debt default. Now you might think, well,
Speaker 4: we've never done this before, and every time this comes up,
Speaker 4: you know, we seem to get around it and it's
Speaker 4: not a huge deal. The issue is is that we
Speaker 4: don't really know what the makeup of the Congress is
Speaker 4: going to be coming into twenty twenty five, and we
Speaker 4: also don't know who the president is going to be.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of reason to believe that if
Speaker 4: Trump wins that you know, he and some other Republicans
Speaker 4: which are in the minority will effectively push us into
Speaker 4: a default scenario, which would be financial armageddon and really
Speaker 4: economic art armageddon for the world. It would set things
Speaker 4: back tremendously. Moodies as estimated that that would cause a
Speaker 4: loss six million jobs in about fifteen trillion dollars in
Speaker 4: wealth to be destroyed.
Speaker 1: So I think it's pretty unlikely that Trump would default
Speaker 1: on the debt, and most people who Trump knows would
Speaker 1: not like that except explain to us what the tension
Speaker 1: here is, who the people who want him to default
Speaker 1: on the debt are, and what this scenario would look like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's one group that benefits from those Well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's basically there's I would say, there's three different
Speaker 4: factions that you could look at that are interested in default.
Speaker 4: One is kind of the Elon Musk Peter Teel faction
Speaker 4: that thinks that the dollar is fiat currency in general,
Speaker 4: central banks are evil. Crypto, Yeah, we should do it.
Speaker 4: We kind of get rid of those, you know, instruments
Speaker 4: and replace them with new kinds of currency. And this
Speaker 4: goes back to the nineteen thirties. Those of you that
Speaker 4: you know study the depression and stuff, you know, you
Speaker 4: know about like the gold bugs and the people who
Speaker 4: are super into the gold standard. This is kind of
Speaker 4: that worldview moved into the twenty first century. So that's
Speaker 4: one group. The other group is Christian reconstructionists Christian nationalists,
Speaker 4: who have a very similar idea about the gold standard.
Speaker 4: They're not quite so interested in like the bitcoin digital
Speaker 4: money type aspects of this, but it's more about that
Speaker 4: kind of old school anti New Deal sentiments pro gold
Speaker 4: and really rooted in kind of the protocols of the
Speaker 4: Elders of Zion type of thinking. You know, the idea
Speaker 4: that there's a Jewish banking network that controls the world
Speaker 4: and is evil and we need to disrupt that, and
Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve isn't really valid and isn't a government entity,
Speaker 4: it's a private entity, which is true, but they bake
Speaker 4: into that all these kinds of conspiracy theories that then
Speaker 4: cause them to want to get rid of the dollar
Speaker 4: replace it with, you know, rebase the dollar on the
Speaker 4: gold standard, let's say. And then the third group that's
Speaker 4: bought into this is Russia and China. And you've probably
Speaker 4: been hearing a lot lately about the bricks currency and
Speaker 4: the idea that there's all sorts of countries that are
Speaker 4: wanting to join into this bricks block, which is really
Speaker 4: kind of a notional thing. It isn't really a formal
Speaker 4: alliance exactly, but you know, it's sort of turning into
Speaker 4: a list of countries that doesn't like the West and
Speaker 4: is willing to challenge it through really challenging the dollars.
Speaker 4: So they're talking right now. The buzz this week is
Speaker 4: that there's a bricks currency that's going to be unleashed
Speaker 4: in October at a summit, and it's going to be
Speaker 4: forty percent based on gold, most of which is going
Speaker 4: to be provided by China.
Speaker 2: And if you can't trust China, how can you know?
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, well, yeah, but you know these groups,
Speaker 4: you know, in their heads, they think that this all
Speaker 4: makes sense. And so when you have those three groups
Speaker 4: online together in common cause against the dollar and they
Speaker 4: think they're all right and they think that they can succeed,
Speaker 4: then there's a lot of damage that could potentially come
Speaker 4: if they get the opportunity. So this is why it's
Speaker 4: so important that say this fall probably starting right after
Speaker 4: the election, the president needs to focus very clearly on
Speaker 4: making sure that we raise the debt ceiling so that
Speaker 4: we don't end up with a default situation in the
Speaker 4: first quarter or first half of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the idea of devaulting on the debt
Speaker 1: will be a catastrophe. Explain to me how any of
Speaker 1: these people. I mean, I get that tech bros get
Speaker 1: very high on their own supply. If anything, we've seen
Speaker 1: this from the RFK candidacy to you know, any number
Speaker 1: of things they've gotten excited about.
Speaker 2: But explain to me, are there just no grown ups
Speaker 2: in the room.
Speaker 1: I mean, do these people have any sort of person
Speaker 1: telling them that this is maybe not the best idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the evidence points to there being maybe thirty percent
Speaker 4: of the Republican Party that thinks that this stuff makes sense.
Speaker 4: So it's not a majority. And in fact, you know,
Speaker 4: every time that there has been a vote in Congress
Speaker 4: to prevent a default and to extend the debt ceiling
Speaker 4: and all of that, it's always passed by like seventy
Speaker 4: seventy two percent margin. This is a majority thing that
Speaker 4: most people don't want a default. However, you know, there
Speaker 4: are these this minority group that thinks that that's the
Speaker 4: way forward, and that's the only way to kind of undo,
Speaker 4: you know, this sort of stranglehold that they perceive that
Speaker 4: the FED has on the world. So this really comes
Speaker 4: from like the Ron Paul kind of point of view.
Speaker 4: His network of people is really what's behind this. And
Speaker 4: so when you talk about the tech bros being high
Speaker 4: on their own supply and there's no adults in the room,
Speaker 4: I would say that both those things are true because
Speaker 4: they've effectively isolated themselves into this little clique of people
Speaker 4: who believe this stuff in a really deep religious way.
Speaker 1: Right, there's a lot of crypto money that could be
Speaker 1: made on this, and there's also a lot of crypto fraud.
Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about the recent fraud that
Speaker 1: just got announced. There's sort of some legal looking into
Speaker 1: the sort of crypto sleaziness.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, one thing that has come out
Speaker 4: is that there's more crypto influence in this election cycle
Speaker 4: than from any other single source bi sector. So, for example,
Speaker 4: there's about one hundred and twenty million dollars that's been
Speaker 4: spent on this cycle alone from crypto interests and big
Speaker 4: oil you would think would be also very large, but
Speaker 4: it's less than that. I don't remember what the exact
Speaker 4: number was, but crypto is the large influencer in this election,
Speaker 4: which a lot of people wouldn't find intuitive. So part
Speaker 4: of what's happening here is that if let's say that
Speaker 4: there is a default, what they think is going to
Speaker 4: happen is that the price of gold is going to
Speaker 4: go way up and the price of bitcoin is going
Speaker 4: to go way up. Now, gold people, I think understand
Speaker 4: because you know, it's a kind of traditional asset and
Speaker 4: right now it's actually at an all time high relatively,
Speaker 4: and so the idea is that might go up more.
Speaker 4: But then the other thinking with bitcoin is that you know,
Speaker 4: there's only twenty one million bitcoins are possible. So basically
Speaker 4: what's happening is is as more and more people buy
Speaker 4: into it, the price just kind of keeps going up
Speaker 4: and up and up. And broadly speaking, that's kind of
Speaker 4: what's been happening. The price, you know, has continued to
Speaker 4: rise since last fifteen years. What they think is going
Speaker 4: to happen is that if there's a dollar default, you know,
Speaker 4: a US debt default, then all kinds of assets are
Speaker 4: going to pour into both gold and too bitcoin in
Speaker 4: order to prevent the destruction of value that would come
Speaker 4: from devaluing the dollar, and they think that at that
Speaker 4: point there would be a huge tipping point. And of
Speaker 4: course bitcoin, like right now it's around fifty sixty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars per bitcoin. If something like a big shock like
Speaker 4: this were to happen and the price of bitcoin were
Speaker 4: to go up to say one hundred and twenty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars or two hundred thousand dollars something like that, you
Speaker 4: would have much much more influence going into elections. So
Speaker 4: what's happening right now is crypto money isn't just buying
Speaker 4: candidates on the Republican side. It's also you know, influencing
Speaker 4: candidates on the Democratic side to support lighter crypto regulations
Speaker 4: so that crypto can challenge the dollar kind of no
Speaker 4: matter which party is in power, which a lot of
Speaker 4: people don't have on their radar yet.
Speaker 2: Crypto is basically pretty corrupt.
Speaker 4: It sounds like, you know, there's a lot of different
Speaker 4: flavors of it, and you know, little of it is
Speaker 4: really valuable in terms of like solving a problem that
Speaker 4: can't be solved some easier, better way, But there's a
Speaker 4: certain ideological attraction that people have to it, right because
Speaker 4: explain well, because it's external to the Federal Reserve and
Speaker 4: it doesn't require, you know, any central entity. The basic
Speaker 4: theory is that if you have to rely on a
Speaker 4: central bank, then that's bad because you can't trust bankers basically,
Speaker 4: and that might be because they're Jewish, you know, that's
Speaker 4: the other problem that they see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so pull back for a minute and explain to
Speaker 1: us how it works, how this factors into the larger
Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five. For example, part of the kind
Speaker 1: of calculus of Trump is one of the things that's
Speaker 1: snuck in there is making the FED part of Trump's cabal.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so one of the recommendations in Product twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five is actually to end the FED, which of
Speaker 4: course is a slogan that goes back to Ron Paul.
Speaker 1: Let's just pause for a minute and explain to our
Speaker 1: listeners what ending the FED would mean.
Speaker 4: Well, so, for those that aren't familiar, the Federal Reserve
Speaker 4: is a bank that it was set up in nineteen thirteen.
Speaker 4: There was a legislation called the Federal Reserve Act that
Speaker 4: you know, set that up, and it basically serves as
Speaker 4: a central bank, as a bank of last resort really
Speaker 4: for all the other private banks in the economy, and
Speaker 4: so it you know, manages the dollar and the interest
Speaker 4: rates and all of that. And so these guys just
Speaker 4: believe that whole construct is fundamentally invalid and that the
Speaker 4: Federal Reserve should go away. And you know, I don't
Speaker 4: actually think they've thought through much what would happen if
Speaker 4: they did this, Like it's more of a religious matter
Speaker 4: of faith that this need to be done. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the ways in which America is not Venezuela
Speaker 1: is that the Federal Reserve is independent of the executive branch.
Speaker 1: So the president can't tell the chairman of the FED
Speaker 1: to lower interest rates. Even though Donald Trump did in
Speaker 1: fact do that all the time, he didn't have any power.
Speaker 1: He theoretically did not have control over what the FED
Speaker 1: would do. You know, the Harris Walls ticket would benefit
Speaker 1: from a rate cut for sure, but Harris doesn't talk
Speaker 1: about it because for obvious reasons, it's a huge no
Speaker 1: now in the in the way that the federal government works.
Speaker 1: So the goal here is not just to end the FED,
Speaker 1: because there's also a scenario in Project twenty finety five,
Speaker 1: which is just to make the FED an arm of
Speaker 1: the Trump campaign and even.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I would say there's competition over
Speaker 4: you know, what the future should look like within different
Speaker 4: factions within these camps. So like, you know, one scenario
Speaker 4: that you could potentially end up with is that the
Speaker 4: FED chair is no longer independent and the president just
Speaker 4: decides when to you know, raise and lower interest rates, which,
Speaker 4: as you say, would be a populist nightmare and would
Speaker 4: lead to crazy inflation and all of that. So, you know,
Speaker 4: I would say that it's a dangerous scenario. Whichever one
Speaker 4: of those factions wins, either the end the FED faction
Speaker 4: or the like, radically reshaped the FED to make it
Speaker 4: be responsive to the executive branch would be also very bad.
Speaker 4: But the purest ideological thing here that they're pursuing is
Speaker 4: to just eliminate it all together and replace it with
Speaker 4: some kind of free market mechanism, much like this bricks currency,
Speaker 4: because the whole idea with the bricks currency is that
Speaker 4: it's backed up by commodities like gold and other assets
Speaker 4: like a oil and you know, silver, precious metals, whatever.
Speaker 4: So that's kind of like the most ideal list version
Speaker 4: of this, but there's a lot of really other bad
Speaker 4: versions that could come about just through the act of
Speaker 4: trying to blow everything up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is the fundamental issue here, is the
Speaker 1: want for a cryptocurrency to sync the dollar to booy cryptocurrency, right, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean that's fundamentally what they're after in crypto as
Speaker 4: well as like these bricks currencies, because the idea is
Speaker 4: that at least with you know, bricks currency, the theory
Speaker 4: is that if you trade it in for other stuff,
Speaker 4: you'll get you know, like a barrel of oil and
Speaker 4: a chunk of gold and you know a little bit
Speaker 4: of silver or whatever it makes up the basket that
Speaker 4: provides the backing. And you know, for those that don't remember,
Speaker 4: the gold standard was set up in a way that
Speaker 4: until nineteen seventy one, you could actually trade dollars for
Speaker 4: gold at a fixed rate, which was swell except for
Speaker 4: when people wanted to do that at scale and you know,
Speaker 4: basically clean us out of all the gold because you know,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of money being printed to support
Speaker 4: the Vietnam War, et cetera, et cetera. So one of
Speaker 4: the items of faith in all of this is that
Speaker 4: if you end the FED, you can eliminate war because
Speaker 4: you know, FIA currencies fund war is the logic. Well,
Speaker 4: of course there was never any war when it was
Speaker 4: king's hoarding gold like that never happened, right, So there's
Speaker 4: some real logical leaps that are involved in this. But again,
Speaker 4: these folks have isolated themselves in such a way that
Speaker 4: they are kind of high on their own supply and
Speaker 4: they all kind of believe the same stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and ultimately this could plunge our economy into insanity.
Speaker 1: And also I feel like the goal is sort of
Speaker 1: to destabilize America, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very much. So, you know, I mean certainly that's
Speaker 4: Russia on China's goal is to kind of end US hegemony.
Speaker 4: And the US really has a couple of superpower type strengths,
Speaker 4: like one is the dollar and the other is our military.
Speaker 4: And so what this would do is to you know,
Speaker 4: really radically disempower US in terms of the dollar and
Speaker 4: you know, shift things around. And the thing about it
Speaker 4: is you don't have to like guess or speculate that
Speaker 4: this is what they're after. I mean they say it.
Speaker 4: I mean there's books that, like from twenty sixteen, there's
Speaker 4: a book by a Russian economist named Sergei Glasiev that
Speaker 4: outlines this entire strategy, so we don't have to guess
Speaker 4: that what they're doing, they've they've already said this is
Speaker 4: what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think that's really important.
Speaker 1: You know, this kind of nihilism really does feel like
Speaker 1: it's something that would really have seen Trump sort of
Speaker 1: open the door to it.
Speaker 2: But it feels like.
Speaker 1: Desanders and Vance are really relishing in it. I mean,
Speaker 1: DeSantis is already sort of off the stage at this point,
Speaker 1: but Vance does seem like that's kind of his massive right.
Speaker 4: Well, and yeah, I think that you know, Vance is
Speaker 4: a strange character and that he doesn't really seem to
Speaker 4: have kind of an internal core of like actually who
Speaker 4: he is. So he's very seems like he's very influenceable by,
Speaker 4: you know, people around him. And so he's been working with,
Speaker 4: say Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation, who was one
Speaker 4: of the architects of Project twenty twenty five. And you
Speaker 4: know what is kind of crazy is that he's kind
Speaker 4: of put himself in the position to actually become president,
Speaker 4: perhaps sooner than anybody imagine. I mean, if you think
Speaker 4: about it, Trump's just like a big mac away from
Speaker 4: Vans being president, right, and you know, that could be
Speaker 4: a very scary proposition. People like Roberts have written essays
Speaker 4: talking about the need for you know, like an American Caesar,
Speaker 4: a red Caesar that would pursue all of these kinds
Speaker 4: of hardcore, slash and burn kind of approaches to government.
Speaker 4: And I think if he were to get in, it
Speaker 4: would be a very very ugly situation. You know, it's
Speaker 4: easy to make fun of Vance for being a weirdo,
Speaker 4: and he is definitely a weirdo. But he's also very
Speaker 4: dangerous potentially because he could just be used as a
Speaker 4: tool to be a wrecking ball in government, and he's
Speaker 4: closer to being in that role than I think anybody guesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is the thing about him. That's
Speaker 1: also true about Trump, which is interesting, as they both
Speaker 1: have no ideological beliefs really, right, it's just whatever they
Speaker 1: think they can win on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. And you know, they have
Speaker 4: a few things that maybe they you know, have said
Speaker 4: so many times they think they believe it. They're very
Speaker 4: morally flexible and certainly flexible from a policy standpoint.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Dave, Hey.
Speaker 4: Thank you really enjoyed the conversation.
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Speaker 1: Janelle Binnum represents Oregon's House District thirty nine and is
Speaker 1: a candidate in Oregon's fifth district.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics.
Speaker 6: Janew thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: So you are a member of the Oregon State House
Speaker 1: and you're running for Congress. I am.
Speaker 6: I was trying to retire, but recruited to run this
Speaker 6: race as the person who has beaten the Republican incumbent,
Speaker 6: not once but twice and of course ready to do
Speaker 6: it a third time.
Speaker 1: Really interesting talk to me about getting recruited and what
Speaker 1: that looks like and why you were recruited and what
Speaker 1: your instincts were.
Speaker 6: Well, this is a Biden plus nine district and the
Speaker 6: race was lost by two points last cycle, and I
Speaker 6: think when people looked around at the values that Lori
Speaker 6: Chavez Drimer is bringing to the job and how she
Speaker 6: is or isn't representing the district, well, they looked around
Speaker 6: and said, you know, a who's the person who could
Speaker 6: actually win this race and be who's the person who
Speaker 6: who has a knack for making sure that people around
Speaker 6: the district are heard. So I've been representing like a
Speaker 6: swing seat for the last eight years, basically one third D,
Speaker 6: one third R, one third non affiliated ISH right. So
Speaker 6: I've never had the luxury of being in a safe seat.
Speaker 6: I've never had the opinion that my opinion was better
Speaker 6: than anyone else's, and I've never gone with extremism. I've
Speaker 6: always been viewed to someone who's practical and tries to
Speaker 6: work across the aisle to get things moving. And so
Speaker 6: I think my record reflects that and people respect that.
Speaker 6: So just Saturday, I was with my daughter and we
Speaker 6: were going to get some Demali's and I went into
Speaker 6: the shop, and the shop Bonner says, Oh, if I
Speaker 6: didn't know any better, I would think you were the
Speaker 6: lady running for.
Speaker 7: Congress, right, And I was like, oh, shay, what just
Speaker 7: we're coming to get to lines, and he's like, you're running.
Speaker 6: And you know, I'm a Democrat, but I've voted for
Speaker 6: Lori last time. But I really really like you, and
Speaker 6: I'm going to vote for you. You're exactly what we need,
Speaker 6: and I've been following you, and so that made me
Speaker 6: feel good, even though I just wanted some Demali's.
Speaker 1: So a lot of us are obsessed with this idea
Speaker 1: of like what makes a candidate a good candidate for
Speaker 1: a swing district because the whole country is very swinging
Speaker 1: in a certain kind of way. Can you explain to
Speaker 1: us sort of why you think you're a great candidate
Speaker 1: for these swing districts? Well?
Speaker 6: Sure, I think the first skill that you have to
Speaker 6: have is being willing to listen right and to setting
Speaker 6: the infrastructure in the way that you do essentially the
Speaker 6: way you do business right. So for us, I would
Speaker 6: have walking town halls so I had my calendar set up.
Speaker 6: Anyone could set some time with me and we would
Speaker 6: do like a fifteen minute walk. I'm a mall walker,
Speaker 6: and so we do fifteen minute lap. And that allowed
Speaker 6: people for any reason to have access and just tell
Speaker 6: me what was on their minds. Right then I would
Speaker 6: do like taco town halls. I was realizing that I
Speaker 6: was going to these town halls that we were setting up,
Speaker 6: and I was coming home hungry. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: how do I make sure that my needs are met
Speaker 6: so that I can serve my district. And so I
Speaker 6: set this thing up called Taco town Hall. So you
Speaker 6: bring the tacos, I show up, We have a great time,
Speaker 6: and then or I have to have something for like
Speaker 6: vegan people, gluten free, like tacos cover the whole gamut.
Speaker 6: And then the other thing is I'm also a deeply
Speaker 6: spiritual person, and I would go at the Capitol. You know,
Speaker 6: they're different little groups that meet based on their interests.
Speaker 6: So of course we had like the sportsman caucus, and
Speaker 6: we had the beer caucus or craft beer or something
Speaker 6: like that caucus. So I would actually go to the
Speaker 6: prayer ones. And so I made a lot of friends
Speaker 6: there and friends in politics is loose, I will say,
Speaker 6: But you know, it was just a time for me
Speaker 6: to convene and commune with people who I didn't necessarily
Speaker 6: agree with ideologically on all of the political issue shoes.
Speaker 6: But one thing was sure was that I was going
Speaker 6: to keep my values and morals intact even as I
Speaker 6: tried to represent people in a very very contentious place. Right,
Speaker 6: So those are that's kind of how I do it.
Speaker 6: I'm a mom of four, I live with people who
Speaker 6: have differing opinions, and I've learned to be humble because
Speaker 6: there's nothing like a thirteen year old boy that will
Speaker 6: humble you. And so I've just learned to be a
Speaker 6: good listener and to try and understand without judgment, how
Speaker 6: a person got to that opinion and how I can
Speaker 6: represent them best.
Speaker 1: What are the issues on the ground in your state
Speaker 1: and your district.
Speaker 6: Well, for starters, housing and I think that is universal
Speaker 6: around the country, So whether it's the type of how
Speaker 6: the availability of housing depending on a person's stage in
Speaker 6: life and their needs. So I'm a mom of two
Speaker 6: college age kids, so that makes me also a renter
Speaker 6: by proxy. And the amount that it costs for us
Speaker 6: to get you know, a one bedroom apartment for them
Speaker 6: is just astronomical. So when I think about that, I
Speaker 6: think who gets to attend college and participate on what terms?
Speaker 6: Because it is almost cost prohibitive, right. And then they
Speaker 6: are seniors. So I had one senior tell me on
Speaker 6: the phone that she was secretly wishing that her son
Speaker 6: would build like a mother and law unit when he
Speaker 6: moved houses, or you know, secure a unit for her.
Speaker 6: And she was saying that her social security wasn't keeping
Speaker 6: up with the increases in her rent. So we have
Speaker 6: this wide spectrum. So housing is one of the issues.
Speaker 6: Reproductive health care full stop. Oregonians have said time and
Speaker 6: time again that they want the access to reproductive health
Speaker 6: care open, full stop, no restrictions, and we see that
Speaker 6: that's being tightened up around the country as Republicans have
Speaker 6: started to talk about, you know, states implementing their own versions,
Speaker 6: but we know that that means restrictions. And then the
Speaker 6: environment is very important, whether it is is the abundance
Speaker 6: of water, the cleanliness of water, whether it's wildfires, the
Speaker 6: smoke related to wildfires, the reason that they start, and
Speaker 6: then also the economic impact of wildfires. So healthcare wildfires, housing.
Speaker 6: Those are the things that are rising to the top
Speaker 6: in this very very I would say it's a very
Speaker 6: diverse district. I'll say that.
Speaker 1: Inflation seems like it's a big, big issue here. What
Speaker 1: do you think are sort of nuts in bold ways
Speaker 1: that democrats can lower inflation.
Speaker 6: There are a couple of things. We saw the price
Speaker 6: of vehicles and durable home goods increase in a large
Speaker 6: part because of supply and demand, and I think bringing
Speaker 6: back American manufacturing. While that seems very high level, it
Speaker 6: actually is very important because you're not relying on things
Speaker 6: having to cross the ocean in order to be built,
Speaker 6: and you're bringing jobs back home. So that's one very
Speaker 6: concrete way democrats can help with inflation. Number two really
Speaker 6: goes back to what I was talking about. In terms
Speaker 6: of housing. We are thirty years behind in the housing
Speaker 6: stock that we need, and so we know if a
Speaker 6: lot of people are rent burdened and they're paying more
Speaker 6: than thirty percent in rent, that is significant. So I
Speaker 6: was really happy to see that the federal government was
Speaker 6: looking into these algorithms that are adjusting the prices of
Speaker 6: apartments and basically pricing people out, increasing their prices by
Speaker 6: about twenty five percent without providing any real value or
Speaker 6: responding to any real market issues. So those are two
Speaker 6: very quick examples of high level policy that can have
Speaker 6: a very strong and fast impact on the ground.
Speaker 1: Your state is pretty blue, though your district is very swingy,
Speaker 1: and you're running for a very swingy district. Why do
Speaker 1: you think that Trump supporters still support him.
Speaker 6: I know why I have drawn a broad base of support.
Speaker 6: It is because when we're talking about the issues, I'm
Speaker 6: not pivoting to something else that's extreme or something that's
Speaker 6: like my personal opinion. It's really about the nuts and bolts.
Speaker 6: I think having kids who are you know, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 6: who are entering the workforce, launching into life and understanding
Speaker 6: what their challenges are, along with having parents who are
Speaker 6: baby boomers, and really being able to lean into the
Speaker 6: challenges that they're having, whether it's with the cost of
Speaker 6: prescription drugs, whether it's with like downsizing their housing or
Speaker 6: making sure that their retirements are able to cover their
Speaker 6: basic needs. That's why people have been drawn to me consistently,
Speaker 6: and I've been to houses one. Even when I first
Speaker 6: ran back in twenty sixteen, Trump was on the ballot,
Speaker 6: I remember there was a house in East Portland, which
Speaker 6: was odd to have a Republican in East Portland because
Speaker 6: it is pretty blue there. But he was like, Janelle,
Speaker 6: I like what you're saying. He's like, but I don't know,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm kind of a trunk guy. And I
Speaker 6: was like, well, at that's your local level, you know,
Speaker 6: at the at the level which I am offering to
Speaker 6: represent you, I promise to be here one hundred percent
Speaker 6: of the time that you need me, and I am
Speaker 6: here to listen to what is important to you, and
Speaker 6: there are very few people who are willing to put
Speaker 6: in the work. I'm a door knocker. That is what
Speaker 6: keeps me, like, keeps my ear really low to the ground.
Speaker 6: So I don't know what is attractive to Trump voters.
Speaker 6: I know what is attractive to voters in general in
Speaker 6: Congressional District five and in my previous house districts thirty
Speaker 6: nine and fifty one. It's someone who listens and gets
Speaker 6: that their economics are what is driving a lot of
Speaker 6: their decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good answer.
Speaker 1: Well, being you could talk about door knocking, because one
Speaker 1: of the things that the Harris Walls campaign has made
Speaker 1: a real important point of is door knocking. There's a
Speaker 1: huge digital chasm between all of us right in this
Speaker 1: country that there are. You know, it's easy to yell
Speaker 1: at someone on the internet and harder to yell at
Speaker 1: them to their phase. I don't think the right and
Speaker 1: the left are the same at all. I think the
Speaker 1: right has really gone off the rails. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that the Harris Walls team are doing is
Speaker 1: this ground game, this opening field offices and knocking on
Speaker 1: doors and canvassing and in a way that perhaps goes
Speaker 1: back to earlier elections before this sort of technological bubble
Speaker 1: killed all of normal print media. What's your take on this,
Speaker 1: and also just talk to me about what it's like.
Speaker 6: Oh man, it is the most powerful form of democracy
Speaker 6: that I have ever experienced. So I have a lot
Speaker 6: of people who are immigrants in my district and I noticed, like,
Speaker 6: for instance, when I would knock their doors, they would
Speaker 6: be very hesitant to talk to me because this idea
Speaker 6: of the government coming to your door can be pretty scary.
Speaker 6: On the other hand, I would have people who were
Speaker 6: so excited when I showed up, I mean just over
Speaker 6: the moon, like I can't believe you came then we
Speaker 6: have people who are of course my surrogates, right, So
Speaker 6: neighbors knocking doors and what it means Like there was
Speaker 6: one lady who told me who's out in Bend. She said,
Speaker 6: she knocked a door. She's a neighborhood leader and she
Speaker 6: knocked a door and the lady came and she's like, oh,
Speaker 6: I know it's time to vote because my neighbor's here
Speaker 6: reminding me. And so that neighbor to neighbor connection is
Speaker 6: really what this is all about. I had some triplets
Speaker 6: asked me to come and talk to them about democracy
Speaker 6: on time, and so I was. I was in the legislature.
Speaker 6: We were in session during that time. So I said, oh, well,
Speaker 6: I can stop by tonight on my way home and
Speaker 6: I'll just you know, I'll just come talk to you.
Speaker 6: And they were like, really, you live here, and I said,
Speaker 6: I said, I'm your neighbor. I am literally your neighbor.
Speaker 6: And it is to me the most special thing that
Speaker 6: you can do is have a civil conversation with your
Speaker 6: neighbor about what is important for our community. And that's
Speaker 6: everyone's recon responsibility. In my opinion, that shouldn't just be
Speaker 6: left to people who read the newspaper all the time
Speaker 6: or watch the news. That's everybody's responsibility. So I think
Speaker 6: the most important thing for this election is for our
Speaker 6: young people eighteen to thirty five to not become apathetic
Speaker 6: and to actually engage and to vote on at least
Speaker 6: one issue and make voting something that is a priority
Speaker 6: for them and that they don't delegate to the rest
Speaker 6: of us.
Speaker 1: You know, I wondered about that you have run for
Speaker 1: office under the Biden ticket, under the Harris ticket, and
Speaker 1: also right under the Quinton ticket. Can you speak to
Speaker 1: us about the differences you've seen between these three candidates
Speaker 1: and what has been like.
Speaker 6: It's interesting, I've never been able to count on the
Speaker 6: top of the ticket because, as I mentioned, like one
Speaker 6: third D, one third R, one third non affiliated, and
Speaker 6: so I've had to pick off some Republican votes. I've
Speaker 6: had to, you know, pull off some votes of people
Speaker 6: who said they weren't voting, and so I've always just
Speaker 6: kind of had to go on my principles and my gut.
Speaker 6: What I can tell you is different today than say,
Speaker 6: eight weeks ago, is that there is a certain level
Speaker 6: of engagement and enthusiasm that I've seen. We've had some
Speaker 6: extraordinary canvas numbers that I didn't expect, and people have
Speaker 6: told me, oh, I haven't canvas since Bill Clinton was
Speaker 6: on the ticket. I haven't John Carry And so of
Speaker 6: course things are different. Now we do things on our
Speaker 6: mobile devices, and you know that kind of throws people
Speaker 6: a little bit for loop. But I also see more
Speaker 6: young people getting engaged and people bringing their kids, So
Speaker 6: you do.
Speaker 1: See a noticeable difference between and again this is in
Speaker 1: no way to cast aspersions to Joe Biden, but more
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think that Harris has energized the ticket,
Speaker 1: if you've seen that on the ground.
Speaker 6: I think there's a certain energy in the air and
Speaker 6: a sigh of relief that there's going to be a
Speaker 6: lot stronger of a punchback to Trump and histics. I
Speaker 6: think we get the democracy we deserve. So if we
Speaker 6: engage and we canvas and we vote with intention, we
Speaker 6: get good leaders. But if we sit back on our
Speaker 6: hands and yield to, as I said, the antics, then
Speaker 6: we get Trump. Yeah, but I want when Trump was
Speaker 6: on the ticket, I won in precincts where Lori Chavez
Speaker 6: Dreamer one and where the Senate campaign for the state
Speaker 6: House candidate one and so I know that I am
Speaker 6: a very solid purple candidate, and so that's what I've
Speaker 6: always focused on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I think it's really important and relevant
Speaker 1: and also just I think what you're saying is really
Speaker 1: important that the bottom of the ticket isn't dependent on
Speaker 1: the top of the ticket, and especially when you have
Speaker 1: such a good message and you connect with people. Do
Speaker 1: you think Harris has an opportunity to message on the economy?
Speaker 1: You own a bunch of businesses, You're a businesswoman besides
Speaker 1: being a politician. I've always thought Democrats were actually weirdly
Speaker 1: more pro business than Republicans.
Speaker 2: Is there messaging there?
Speaker 6: You think she is required to have messaging on the economy?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: As a middle class American, if you're not talking about
Speaker 6: the economy, you're not winning. And this is what I
Speaker 6: found around the district. If you're not talking about how
Speaker 6: my kids and my grandkids and their kids are going
Speaker 6: to thrive in this great country for the next twenty
Speaker 6: to one hundred years, you don't have a message, right.
Speaker 2: No, I agree.
Speaker 1: Are there any other sort of things that we should
Speaker 1: know about your race, or about organ more generally, or
Speaker 1: about what Democrats can do to win anything you want
Speaker 1: to leave us with.
Speaker 6: I think the most important thing for Democrats is to
Speaker 6: recognize that there's a path to victory. I believe that
Speaker 6: it runs through Oregon's fifth congressional district. I would love
Speaker 6: to take the vote to make Leader Jeffries speaker Jeffries,
Speaker 6: and I'm really excited about the prospect of Kamala Harris
Speaker 6: becoming president. These are all things that are possible if
Speaker 6: we engage, if we decide with intentionality that this is
Speaker 6: what we want, and so I think we should be
Speaker 6: rewarding people who step up. This is a very, very
Speaker 6: difficult act of patriotism to engage in, but I say
Speaker 6: we should choose people who are moderate, people who are
Speaker 6: really really focused on the issues, the bread and butter issues,
Speaker 6: and are rejecting extremism full stop. So that's what I
Speaker 6: think is on the agenda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. This is fun.
Speaker 4: They're all no moment in second.
Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, my John Fast.
Speaker 5: My Twitter feed is flooded with the stupidest memes of
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's animals, a thing you would never do. What
Speaker 5: the fuck is happening here?
Speaker 1: Basically, a few people on the right, Jade Vance, Ted
Speaker 1: cruz Elon Musk, Stephen Miller, of course, all spread the
Speaker 1: racist lie that Haitian immigrants were eating cats.
Speaker 2: It's not true. It was based on.
Speaker 1: A photo of a guy who was black carrying a goose.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. This is so stupid.
Speaker 1: But it's also again this world of post truth trump Ism,
Speaker 1: where if a lie is repeated enough times, if enough
Speaker 1: people believe a lie, perhaps it is as good as
Speaker 1: something that is true.
Speaker 5: Another sign of the deep right wing infecting them. Since
Speaker 5: this comes from Nick Land's hyperstition theory and he's a
Speaker 5: real psychotic right wing extremist.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also just they just don't care
Speaker 1: if it's true or not if they can get their
Speaker 1: people to believe it, And that is the element of
Speaker 1: post truth conservatism we're living in right now, and they
Speaker 1: are our moment.
Speaker 2: Of fuck Ray.
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