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Speaker 1: We have a reaction to the Harris Trump debate with

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Speaker 3: Cheat Here always good to be honest, especially I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about what happened there.

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Speaker 1: So explain to us this incredibly worrying sort of situation

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Speaker 4: I would say that both those things are true because

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Speaker 4: they've effectively isolated themselves into this little clique of people

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Speaker 4: who believe this stuff in a really deep religious way.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's a lot of crypto money that could be

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Speaker 1: made on this, and there's also a lot of crypto fraud.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk to me about the recent fraud that

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Speaker 1: just got announced. There's sort of some legal looking into

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Speaker 1: the sort of crypto sleaziness.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, one thing that has come out

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Speaker 4: is that there's more crypto influence in this election cycle

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Speaker 4: than from any other single source bi sector. So, for example,

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Speaker 4: there's about one hundred and twenty million dollars that's been

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Speaker 4: spent on this cycle alone from crypto interests and big

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Speaker 4: oil you would think would be also very large, but

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Speaker 4: it's less than that. I don't remember what the exact

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Speaker 4: number was, but crypto is the large influencer in this election,

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Speaker 4: which a lot of people wouldn't find intuitive. So part

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Speaker 4: of what's happening here is that if let's say that

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Speaker 4: there is a default, what they think is going to

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Speaker 4: happen is that the price of gold is going to

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Speaker 4: go way up and the price of bitcoin is going

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Speaker 4: to go way up. Now, gold people, I think understand

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Speaker 4: because you know, it's a kind of traditional asset and

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Speaker 4: right now it's actually at an all time high relatively,

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Speaker 4: and so the idea is that might go up more.

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Speaker 4: But then the other thinking with bitcoin is that you know,

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Speaker 4: there's only twenty one million bitcoins are possible. So basically

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Speaker 4: what's happening is is as more and more people buy

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Speaker 4: into it, the price just kind of keeps going up

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Speaker 4: and up and up. And broadly speaking, that's kind of

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Speaker 4: what's been happening. The price, you know, has continued to

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Speaker 4: rise since last fifteen years. What they think is going

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Speaker 4: to happen is that if there's a dollar default, you know,

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Speaker 4: a US debt default, then all kinds of assets are

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Speaker 4: going to pour into both gold and too bitcoin in

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Speaker 4: order to prevent the destruction of value that would come

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Speaker 4: from devaluing the dollar, and they think that at that

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Speaker 4: point there would be a huge tipping point. And of

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Speaker 4: course bitcoin, like right now it's around fifty sixty thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars per bitcoin. If something like a big shock like

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Speaker 4: this were to happen and the price of bitcoin were

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Speaker 4: to go up to say one hundred and twenty thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars or two hundred thousand dollars something like that, you

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Speaker 4: would have much much more influence going into elections. So

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Speaker 4: what's happening right now is crypto money isn't just buying

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Speaker 4: candidates on the Republican side. It's also you know, influencing

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Speaker 4: candidates on the Democratic side to support lighter crypto regulations

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Speaker 4: so that crypto can challenge the dollar kind of no

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Speaker 4: matter which party is in power, which a lot of

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Speaker 4: people don't have on their radar yet.

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Speaker 2: Crypto is basically pretty corrupt.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like, you know, there's a lot of different

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Speaker 4: flavors of it, and you know, little of it is

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Speaker 4: really valuable in terms of like solving a problem that

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Speaker 4: can't be solved some easier, better way, But there's a

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Speaker 4: certain ideological attraction that people have to it, right because

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Speaker 4: explain well, because it's external to the Federal Reserve and

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Speaker 4: it doesn't require, you know, any central entity. The basic

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Speaker 4: theory is that if you have to rely on a

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Speaker 4: central bank, then that's bad because you can't trust bankers basically,

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Speaker 4: and that might be because they're Jewish, you know, that's

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Speaker 4: the other problem that they see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so pull back for a minute and explain to

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Speaker 1: us how it works, how this factors into the larger

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five. For example, part of the kind

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Speaker 1: of calculus of Trump is one of the things that's

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Speaker 1: snuck in there is making the FED part of Trump's cabal.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so one of the recommendations in Product twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five is actually to end the FED, which of

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Speaker 4: course is a slogan that goes back to Ron Paul.

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Speaker 1: Let's just pause for a minute and explain to our

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Speaker 1: listeners what ending the FED would mean.

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Speaker 4: Well, so, for those that aren't familiar, the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 4: is a bank that it was set up in nineteen thirteen.

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Speaker 4: There was a legislation called the Federal Reserve Act that

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Speaker 4: you know, set that up, and it basically serves as

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Speaker 4: a central bank, as a bank of last resort really

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Speaker 4: for all the other private banks in the economy, and

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Speaker 4: so it you know, manages the dollar and the interest

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Speaker 4: rates and all of that. And so these guys just

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Speaker 4: believe that whole construct is fundamentally invalid and that the

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Speaker 4: Federal Reserve should go away. And you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: actually think they've thought through much what would happen if

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Speaker 4: they did this, Like it's more of a religious matter

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Speaker 4: of faith that this need to be done. You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the ways in which America is not Venezuela

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Speaker 1: is that the Federal Reserve is independent of the executive branch.

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Speaker 1: So the president can't tell the chairman of the FED

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Speaker 1: to lower interest rates. Even though Donald Trump did in

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Speaker 1: fact do that all the time, he didn't have any power.

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Speaker 1: He theoretically did not have control over what the FED

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Speaker 1: would do. You know, the Harris Walls ticket would benefit

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Speaker 1: from a rate cut for sure, but Harris doesn't talk

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Speaker 1: about it because for obvious reasons, it's a huge no

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Speaker 1: now in the in the way that the federal government works.

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Speaker 1: So the goal here is not just to end the FED,

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Speaker 1: because there's also a scenario in Project twenty finety five,

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Speaker 1: which is just to make the FED an arm of

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign and even.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, I would say there's competition over

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Speaker 4: you know, what the future should look like within different

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Speaker 4: factions within these camps. So like, you know, one scenario

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Speaker 4: that you could potentially end up with is that the

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Speaker 4: FED chair is no longer independent and the president just

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Speaker 4: decides when to you know, raise and lower interest rates, which,

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Speaker 4: as you say, would be a populist nightmare and would

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Speaker 4: lead to crazy inflation and all of that. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: I would say that it's a dangerous scenario. Whichever one

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Speaker 4: of those factions wins, either the end the FED faction

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Speaker 4: or the like, radically reshaped the FED to make it

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Speaker 4: be responsive to the executive branch would be also very bad.

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Speaker 4: But the purest ideological thing here that they're pursuing is

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Speaker 4: to just eliminate it all together and replace it with

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Speaker 4: some kind of free market mechanism, much like this bricks currency,

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Speaker 4: because the whole idea with the bricks currency is that

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Speaker 4: it's backed up by commodities like gold and other assets

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Speaker 4: like a oil and you know, silver, precious metals, whatever.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of like the most ideal list version

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Speaker 4: of this, but there's a lot of really other bad

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Speaker 4: versions that could come about just through the act of

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Speaker 4: trying to blow everything up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is the fundamental issue here, is the

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Speaker 1: want for a cryptocurrency to sync the dollar to booy cryptocurrency, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's fundamentally what they're after in crypto as

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Speaker 4: well as like these bricks currencies, because the idea is

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Speaker 4: that at least with you know, bricks currency, the theory

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Speaker 4: is that if you trade it in for other stuff,

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Speaker 4: you'll get you know, like a barrel of oil and

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Speaker 4: a chunk of gold and you know a little bit

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Speaker 4: of silver or whatever it makes up the basket that

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Speaker 4: provides the backing. And you know, for those that don't remember,

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Speaker 4: the gold standard was set up in a way that

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Speaker 4: until nineteen seventy one, you could actually trade dollars for

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Speaker 4: gold at a fixed rate, which was swell except for

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Speaker 4: when people wanted to do that at scale and you know,

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Speaker 4: basically clean us out of all the gold because you know,

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Speaker 4: there was a lot of money being printed to support

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Speaker 4: the Vietnam War, et cetera, et cetera. So one of

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Speaker 4: the items of faith in all of this is that

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Speaker 4: if you end the FED, you can eliminate war because

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Speaker 4: you know, FIA currencies fund war is the logic. Well,

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Speaker 4: of course there was never any war when it was

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Speaker 4: king's hoarding gold like that never happened, right, So there's

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Speaker 4: some real logical leaps that are involved in this. But again,

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Speaker 4: these folks have isolated themselves in such a way that

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Speaker 4: they are kind of high on their own supply and

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Speaker 4: they all kind of believe the same stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and ultimately this could plunge our economy into insanity.

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Speaker 1: And also I feel like the goal is sort of

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Speaker 1: to destabilize America, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very much. So, you know, I mean certainly that's

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Speaker 4: Russia on China's goal is to kind of end US hegemony.

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Speaker 4: And the US really has a couple of superpower type strengths,

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Speaker 4: like one is the dollar and the other is our military.

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Speaker 4: And so what this would do is to you know,

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Speaker 4: really radically disempower US in terms of the dollar and

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Speaker 4: you know, shift things around. And the thing about it

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Speaker 4: is you don't have to like guess or speculate that

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Speaker 4: this is what they're after. I mean they say it.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's books that, like from twenty sixteen, there's

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Speaker 4: a book by a Russian economist named Sergei Glasiev that

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Speaker 4: outlines this entire strategy, so we don't have to guess

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Speaker 4: that what they're doing, they've they've already said this is

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Speaker 4: what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think that's really important.

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Speaker 1: You know, this kind of nihilism really does feel like

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Speaker 1: it's something that would really have seen Trump sort of

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Speaker 1: open the door to it.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like.

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Speaker 1: Desanders and Vance are really relishing in it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: DeSantis is already sort of off the stage at this point,

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Speaker 1: but Vance does seem like that's kind of his massive right.

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Speaker 4: Well, and yeah, I think that you know, Vance is

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Speaker 4: a strange character and that he doesn't really seem to

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Speaker 4: have kind of an internal core of like actually who

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Speaker 4: he is. So he's very seems like he's very influenceable by,

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Speaker 4: you know, people around him. And so he's been working with,

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Speaker 4: say Kevin Roberts from the Heritage Foundation, who was one

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Speaker 4: of the architects of Project twenty twenty five. And you

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Speaker 4: know what is kind of crazy is that he's kind

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Speaker 4: of put himself in the position to actually become president,

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Speaker 4: perhaps sooner than anybody imagine. I mean, if you think

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Speaker 4: about it, Trump's just like a big mac away from

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Speaker 4: Vans being president, right, and you know, that could be

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Speaker 4: a very scary proposition. People like Roberts have written essays

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Speaker 4: talking about the need for you know, like an American Caesar,

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Speaker 4: a red Caesar that would pursue all of these kinds

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Speaker 4: of hardcore, slash and burn kind of approaches to government.

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Speaker 4: And I think if he were to get in, it

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Speaker 4: would be a very very ugly situation. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: easy to make fun of Vance for being a weirdo,

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Speaker 4: and he is definitely a weirdo. But he's also very

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Speaker 4: dangerous potentially because he could just be used as a

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Speaker 4: tool to be a wrecking ball in government, and he's

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Speaker 4: closer to being in that role than I think anybody guesses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is the thing about him. That's

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Speaker 1: also true about Trump, which is interesting, as they both

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Speaker 1: have no ideological beliefs really, right, it's just whatever they

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Speaker 1: think they can win on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right. And you know, they have

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Speaker 4: a few things that maybe they you know, have said

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Speaker 4: so many times they think they believe it. They're very

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Speaker 4: morally flexible and certainly flexible from a policy standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Dave, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Thank you really enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could due

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Speaker 1: to this country, So please watch it and spread the word.

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Speaker 1: Janelle Binnum represents Oregon's House District thirty nine and is

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Speaker 1: a candidate in Oregon's fifth district.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 6: Janew thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: So you are a member of the Oregon State House

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Speaker 1: and you're running for Congress. I am.

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Speaker 6: I was trying to retire, but recruited to run this

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Speaker 6: race as the person who has beaten the Republican incumbent,

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Speaker 6: not once but twice and of course ready to do

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Speaker 6: it a third time.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting talk to me about getting recruited and what

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Speaker 1: that looks like and why you were recruited and what

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Speaker 1: your instincts were.

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Speaker 6: Well, this is a Biden plus nine district and the

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Speaker 6: race was lost by two points last cycle, and I

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Speaker 6: think when people looked around at the values that Lori

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Speaker 6: Chavez Drimer is bringing to the job and how she

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Speaker 6: is or isn't representing the district, well, they looked around

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Speaker 6: and said, you know, a who's the person who could

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Speaker 6: actually win this race and be who's the person who

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Speaker 6: who has a knack for making sure that people around

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Speaker 6: the district are heard. So I've been representing like a

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Speaker 6: swing seat for the last eight years, basically one third D,

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Speaker 6: one third R, one third non affiliated ISH right. So

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Speaker 6: I've never had the luxury of being in a safe seat.

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Speaker 6: I've never had the opinion that my opinion was better

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Speaker 6: than anyone else's, and I've never gone with extremism. I've

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Speaker 6: always been viewed to someone who's practical and tries to

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Speaker 6: work across the aisle to get things moving. And so

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Speaker 6: I think my record reflects that and people respect that.

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Speaker 6: So just Saturday, I was with my daughter and we

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Speaker 6: were going to get some Demali's and I went into

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Speaker 6: the shop, and the shop Bonner says, Oh, if I

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Speaker 6: didn't know any better, I would think you were the

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Speaker 6: lady running for.

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Speaker 7: Congress, right, And I was like, oh, shay, what just

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Speaker 7: we're coming to get to lines, and he's like, you're running.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I'm a Democrat, but I've voted for

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Speaker 6: Lori last time. But I really really like you, and

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Speaker 6: I'm going to vote for you. You're exactly what we need,

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Speaker 6: and I've been following you, and so that made me

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Speaker 6: feel good, even though I just wanted some Demali's.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of us are obsessed with this idea

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Speaker 1: of like what makes a candidate a good candidate for

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Speaker 1: a swing district because the whole country is very swinging

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Speaker 1: in a certain kind of way. Can you explain to

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Speaker 1: us sort of why you think you're a great candidate

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Speaker 1: for these swing districts? Well?

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Speaker 6: Sure, I think the first skill that you have to

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Speaker 6: have is being willing to listen right and to setting

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Speaker 6: the infrastructure in the way that you do essentially the

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Speaker 6: way you do business right. So for us, I would

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Speaker 6: have walking town halls so I had my calendar set up.

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Speaker 6: Anyone could set some time with me and we would

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Speaker 6: do like a fifteen minute walk. I'm a mall walker,

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Speaker 6: and so we do fifteen minute lap. And that allowed

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Speaker 6: people for any reason to have access and just tell

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Speaker 6: me what was on their minds. Right then I would

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Speaker 6: do like taco town halls. I was realizing that I

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Speaker 6: was going to these town halls that we were setting up,

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Speaker 6: and I was coming home hungry. So I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: how do I make sure that my needs are met

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Speaker 6: so that I can serve my district. And so I

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Speaker 6: set this thing up called Taco town Hall. So you

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Speaker 6: bring the tacos, I show up, We have a great time,

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Speaker 6: and then or I have to have something for like

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Speaker 6: vegan people, gluten free, like tacos cover the whole gamut.

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Speaker 6: And then the other thing is I'm also a deeply

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Speaker 6: spiritual person, and I would go at the Capitol. You know,

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Speaker 6: they're different little groups that meet based on their interests.

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Speaker 6: So of course we had like the sportsman caucus, and

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Speaker 6: we had the beer caucus or craft beer or something

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Speaker 6: like that caucus. So I would actually go to the

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Speaker 6: prayer ones. And so I made a lot of friends

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Speaker 6: there and friends in politics is loose, I will say,

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Speaker 6: But you know, it was just a time for me

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Speaker 6: to convene and commune with people who I didn't necessarily

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Speaker 6: agree with ideologically on all of the political issue shoes.

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Speaker 6: But one thing was sure was that I was going

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Speaker 6: to keep my values and morals intact even as I

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Speaker 6: tried to represent people in a very very contentious place. Right,

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Speaker 6: So those are that's kind of how I do it.

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Speaker 6: I'm a mom of four, I live with people who

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Speaker 6: have differing opinions, and I've learned to be humble because

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Speaker 6: there's nothing like a thirteen year old boy that will

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Speaker 6: humble you. And so I've just learned to be a

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Speaker 6: good listener and to try and understand without judgment, how

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Speaker 6: a person got to that opinion and how I can

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Speaker 6: represent them best.

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Speaker 1: What are the issues on the ground in your state

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Speaker 1: and your district.

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Speaker 6: Well, for starters, housing and I think that is universal

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Speaker 6: around the country, So whether it's the type of how

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Speaker 6: the availability of housing depending on a person's stage in

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Speaker 6: life and their needs. So I'm a mom of two

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Speaker 6: college age kids, so that makes me also a renter

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Speaker 6: by proxy. And the amount that it costs for us

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Speaker 6: to get you know, a one bedroom apartment for them

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Speaker 6: is just astronomical. So when I think about that, I

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Speaker 6: think who gets to attend college and participate on what terms?

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Speaker 6: Because it is almost cost prohibitive, right. And then they

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Speaker 6: are seniors. So I had one senior tell me on

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Speaker 6: the phone that she was secretly wishing that her son

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Speaker 6: would build like a mother and law unit when he

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Speaker 6: moved houses, or you know, secure a unit for her.

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Speaker 6: And she was saying that her social security wasn't keeping

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Speaker 6: up with the increases in her rent. So we have

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Speaker 6: this wide spectrum. So housing is one of the issues.

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Speaker 6: Reproductive health care full stop. Oregonians have said time and

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Speaker 6: time again that they want the access to reproductive health

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Speaker 6: care open, full stop, no restrictions, and we see that

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Speaker 6: that's being tightened up around the country as Republicans have

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Speaker 6: started to talk about, you know, states implementing their own versions,

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Speaker 6: but we know that that means restrictions. And then the

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Speaker 6: environment is very important, whether it is is the abundance

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Speaker 6: of water, the cleanliness of water, whether it's wildfires, the

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Speaker 6: smoke related to wildfires, the reason that they start, and

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Speaker 6: then also the economic impact of wildfires. So healthcare wildfires, housing.

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Speaker 6: Those are the things that are rising to the top

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Speaker 6: in this very very I would say it's a very

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Speaker 6: diverse district. I'll say that.

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Speaker 1: Inflation seems like it's a big, big issue here. What

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Speaker 1: do you think are sort of nuts in bold ways

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Speaker 1: that democrats can lower inflation.

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Speaker 6: There are a couple of things. We saw the price

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Speaker 6: of vehicles and durable home goods increase in a large

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Speaker 6: part because of supply and demand, and I think bringing

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Speaker 6: back American manufacturing. While that seems very high level, it

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Speaker 6: actually is very important because you're not relying on things

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Speaker 6: having to cross the ocean in order to be built,

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Speaker 6: and you're bringing jobs back home. So that's one very

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Speaker 6: concrete way democrats can help with inflation. Number two really

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Speaker 6: goes back to what I was talking about. In terms

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Speaker 6: of housing. We are thirty years behind in the housing

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Speaker 6: stock that we need, and so we know if a

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Speaker 6: lot of people are rent burdened and they're paying more

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Speaker 6: than thirty percent in rent, that is significant. So I

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Speaker 6: was really happy to see that the federal government was

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Speaker 6: looking into these algorithms that are adjusting the prices of

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Speaker 6: apartments and basically pricing people out, increasing their prices by

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Speaker 6: about twenty five percent without providing any real value or

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Speaker 6: responding to any real market issues. So those are two

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Speaker 6: very quick examples of high level policy that can have

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Speaker 6: a very strong and fast impact on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Your state is pretty blue, though your district is very swingy,

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Speaker 1: and you're running for a very swingy district. Why do

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Speaker 1: you think that Trump supporters still support him.

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Speaker 6: I know why I have drawn a broad base of support.

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Speaker 6: It is because when we're talking about the issues, I'm

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Speaker 6: not pivoting to something else that's extreme or something that's

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Speaker 6: like my personal opinion. It's really about the nuts and bolts.

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Speaker 6: I think having kids who are you know, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 6: who are entering the workforce, launching into life and understanding

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Speaker 6: what their challenges are, along with having parents who are

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Speaker 6: baby boomers, and really being able to lean into the

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Speaker 6: challenges that they're having, whether it's with the cost of

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Speaker 6: prescription drugs, whether it's with like downsizing their housing or

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Speaker 6: making sure that their retirements are able to cover their

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Speaker 6: basic needs. That's why people have been drawn to me consistently,

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Speaker 6: and I've been to houses one. Even when I first

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Speaker 6: ran back in twenty sixteen, Trump was on the ballot,

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Speaker 6: I remember there was a house in East Portland, which

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Speaker 6: was odd to have a Republican in East Portland because

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Speaker 6: it is pretty blue there. But he was like, Janelle,

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Speaker 6: I like what you're saying. He's like, but I don't know,

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm kind of a trunk guy. And I

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Speaker 6: was like, well, at that's your local level, you know,

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Speaker 6: at the at the level which I am offering to

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Speaker 6: represent you, I promise to be here one hundred percent

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Speaker 6: of the time that you need me, and I am

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Speaker 6: here to listen to what is important to you, and

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Speaker 6: there are very few people who are willing to put

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Speaker 6: in the work. I'm a door knocker. That is what

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Speaker 6: keeps me, like, keeps my ear really low to the ground.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know what is attractive to Trump voters.

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Speaker 6: I know what is attractive to voters in general in

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Speaker 6: Congressional District five and in my previous house districts thirty

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Speaker 6: nine and fifty one. It's someone who listens and gets

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Speaker 6: that their economics are what is driving a lot of

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Speaker 6: their decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, being you could talk about door knocking, because one

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Speaker 1: of the things that the Harris Walls campaign has made

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Speaker 1: a real important point of is door knocking. There's a

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Speaker 1: huge digital chasm between all of us right in this

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Speaker 1: country that there are. You know, it's easy to yell

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Speaker 1: at someone on the internet and harder to yell at

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Speaker 1: them to their phase. I don't think the right and

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Speaker 1: the left are the same at all. I think the

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Speaker 1: right has really gone off the rails. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that the Harris Walls team are doing is

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Speaker 1: this ground game, this opening field offices and knocking on

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Speaker 1: doors and canvassing and in a way that perhaps goes

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Speaker 1: back to earlier elections before this sort of technological bubble

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Speaker 1: killed all of normal print media. What's your take on this,

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Speaker 1: and also just talk to me about what it's like.

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Speaker 6: Oh man, it is the most powerful form of democracy

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Speaker 6: that I have ever experienced. So I have a lot

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Speaker 6: of people who are immigrants in my district and I noticed, like,

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Speaker 6: for instance, when I would knock their doors, they would

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Speaker 6: be very hesitant to talk to me because this idea

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Speaker 6: of the government coming to your door can be pretty scary.

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Speaker 6: On the other hand, I would have people who were

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Speaker 6: so excited when I showed up, I mean just over

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Speaker 6: the moon, like I can't believe you came then we

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Speaker 6: have people who are of course my surrogates, right, So

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Speaker 6: neighbors knocking doors and what it means Like there was

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Speaker 6: one lady who told me who's out in Bend. She said,

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Speaker 6: she knocked a door. She's a neighborhood leader and she

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Speaker 6: knocked a door and the lady came and she's like, oh,

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Speaker 6: I know it's time to vote because my neighbor's here

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Speaker 6: reminding me. And so that neighbor to neighbor connection is

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Speaker 6: really what this is all about. I had some triplets

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Speaker 6: asked me to come and talk to them about democracy

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Speaker 6: on time, and so I was. I was in the legislature.

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Speaker 6: We were in session during that time. So I said, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: I can stop by tonight on my way home and

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Speaker 6: I'll just you know, I'll just come talk to you.

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Speaker 6: And they were like, really, you live here, and I said,

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Speaker 6: I said, I'm your neighbor. I am literally your neighbor.

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Speaker 6: And it is to me the most special thing that

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Speaker 6: you can do is have a civil conversation with your

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Speaker 6: neighbor about what is important for our community. And that's

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Speaker 6: everyone's recon responsibility. In my opinion, that shouldn't just be

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Speaker 6: left to people who read the newspaper all the time

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Speaker 6: or watch the news. That's everybody's responsibility. So I think

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Speaker 6: the most important thing for this election is for our

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Speaker 6: young people eighteen to thirty five to not become apathetic

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Speaker 6: and to actually engage and to vote on at least

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Speaker 6: one issue and make voting something that is a priority

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Speaker 6: for them and that they don't delegate to the rest

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Speaker 6: of us.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wondered about that you have run for

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Speaker 1: office under the Biden ticket, under the Harris ticket, and

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Speaker 1: also right under the Quinton ticket. Can you speak to

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Speaker 1: us about the differences you've seen between these three candidates

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Speaker 1: and what has been like.

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Speaker 6: It's interesting, I've never been able to count on the

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Speaker 6: top of the ticket because, as I mentioned, like one

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Speaker 6: third D, one third R, one third non affiliated, and

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Speaker 6: so I've had to pick off some Republican votes. I've

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Speaker 6: had to, you know, pull off some votes of people

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Speaker 6: who said they weren't voting, and so I've always just

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Speaker 6: kind of had to go on my principles and my gut.

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Speaker 6: What I can tell you is different today than say,

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Speaker 6: eight weeks ago, is that there is a certain level

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Speaker 6: of engagement and enthusiasm that I've seen. We've had some

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Speaker 6: extraordinary canvas numbers that I didn't expect, and people have

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Speaker 6: told me, oh, I haven't canvas since Bill Clinton was

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Speaker 6: on the ticket. I haven't John Carry And so of

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Speaker 6: course things are different. Now we do things on our

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Speaker 6: mobile devices, and you know that kind of throws people

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Speaker 6: a little bit for loop. But I also see more

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Speaker 6: young people getting engaged and people bringing their kids, So

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Speaker 6: you do.

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Speaker 1: See a noticeable difference between and again this is in

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Speaker 1: no way to cast aspersions to Joe Biden, but more

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Speaker 1: I'm curious if you think that Harris has energized the ticket,

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Speaker 1: if you've seen that on the ground.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a certain energy in the air and

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Speaker 6: a sigh of relief that there's going to be a

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Speaker 6: lot stronger of a punchback to Trump and histics. I

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Speaker 6: think we get the democracy we deserve. So if we

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Speaker 6: engage and we canvas and we vote with intention, we

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Speaker 6: get good leaders. But if we sit back on our

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Speaker 6: hands and yield to, as I said, the antics, then

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Speaker 6: we get Trump. Yeah, but I want when Trump was

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Speaker 6: on the ticket, I won in precincts where Lori Chavez

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Speaker 6: Dreamer one and where the Senate campaign for the state

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Speaker 6: House candidate one and so I know that I am

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Speaker 6: a very solid purple candidate, and so that's what I've

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Speaker 6: always focused on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I think it's really important and relevant

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Speaker 1: and also just I think what you're saying is really

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Speaker 1: important that the bottom of the ticket isn't dependent on

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Speaker 1: the top of the ticket, and especially when you have

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Speaker 1: such a good message and you connect with people. Do

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Speaker 1: you think Harris has an opportunity to message on the economy?

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Speaker 1: You own a bunch of businesses, You're a businesswoman besides

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Speaker 1: being a politician. I've always thought Democrats were actually weirdly

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Speaker 1: more pro business than Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Is there messaging there?

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Speaker 6: You think she is required to have messaging on the economy?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: As a middle class American, if you're not talking about

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Speaker 6: the economy, you're not winning. And this is what I

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Speaker 6: found around the district. If you're not talking about how

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Speaker 6: my kids and my grandkids and their kids are going

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Speaker 6: to thrive in this great country for the next twenty

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Speaker 6: to one hundred years, you don't have a message, right.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Are there any other sort of things that we should

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Speaker 1: know about your race, or about organ more generally, or

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Speaker 1: about what Democrats can do to win anything you want

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Speaker 1: to leave us with.

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Speaker 6: I think the most important thing for Democrats is to

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Speaker 6: recognize that there's a path to victory. I believe that

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Speaker 6: it runs through Oregon's fifth congressional district. I would love

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Speaker 6: to take the vote to make Leader Jeffries speaker Jeffries,

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Speaker 6: and I'm really excited about the prospect of Kamala Harris

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Speaker 6: becoming president. These are all things that are possible if

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Speaker 6: we engage, if we decide with intentionality that this is

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Speaker 6: what we want, and so I think we should be

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Speaker 6: rewarding people who step up. This is a very, very

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Speaker 6: difficult act of patriotism to engage in, but I say

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Speaker 6: we should choose people who are moderate, people who are

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Speaker 6: really really focused on the issues, the bread and butter issues,

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Speaker 6: and are rejecting extremism full stop. So that's what I

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Speaker 6: think is on the agenda.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having me. This is fun.

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Speaker 4: They're all no moment in second.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon, my John Fast.

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Speaker 5: My Twitter feed is flooded with the stupidest memes of

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump's animals, a thing you would never do. What

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Speaker 5: the fuck is happening here?

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Speaker 1: Basically, a few people on the right, Jade Vance, Ted

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Speaker 1: cruz Elon Musk, Stephen Miller, of course, all spread the

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Speaker 1: racist lie that Haitian immigrants were eating cats.

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Speaker 2: It's not true. It was based on.

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Speaker 1: A photo of a guy who was black carrying a goose.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. This is so stupid.

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Speaker 1: But it's also again this world of post truth trump Ism,

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Speaker 1: where if a lie is repeated enough times, if enough

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Speaker 1: people believe a lie, perhaps it is as good as

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Speaker 1: something that is true.

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Speaker 5: Another sign of the deep right wing infecting them. Since

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Speaker 5: this comes from Nick Land's hyperstition theory and he's a

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Speaker 5: real psychotic right wing extremist.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also just they just don't care

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Speaker 1: if it's true or not if they can get their

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Speaker 1: people to believe it, And that is the element of

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Speaker 1: post truth conservatism we're living in right now, and they

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Speaker 1: are our moment.

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Speaker 2: Of fuck Ray.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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