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Speaker 1: and we've had some developments in a potential Brandon Ayuk

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Speaker 1: trade that I just wanted to get into this show.

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Speaker 1: So I did camp takeaways with Jordan Rodrieg of every

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Speaker 1: the nice little intro and all the bells and whistles,

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Speaker 1: But first I wanted to get this Ayuk stuff in.

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Speaker 1: So this afternoon, Navil Networks Mike Garafolo and Tom Pelsero

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Speaker 1: said Ayuk is now more likely to be traded than

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Speaker 1: to sign an extension, which followed like a drum bree

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Speaker 1: beat of just increasing rumors over the weekend that this

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Speaker 1: extra part of the show, But then late on the

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Speaker 1: West Coast why I'm taping is Matt Myoko of CSN

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Speaker 1: Sports Bay Area reported that the forty nine ers have

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Speaker 1: negotiated the framework of trade that would send Ayuk to

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Speaker 1: either the Cleveland Browns or the New England Patriots. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote Myoko here quote now it's up

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Speaker 1: to Ayuk to determine if he will accept the contract

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Speaker 2: The source said.

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Speaker 1: So the forty nine Ers have worked out trade terms

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Speaker 1: with the Browns and Patriots. It's up to Ayuk whether

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Speaker 1: that he can work out a contract with them. There's

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Speaker 1: some fascinating details in here. Number One, Washington removed themselves.

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Speaker 1: According to Myoko, the Steelers are effectively out because they

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Speaker 1: won't meet the forty nine ers trade demands. Now, like,

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Speaker 1: let's pause there for a second. Ayuk, let it be known.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this offseason a couple of times, these were the

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Speaker 1: the Pivot podcast. He mentioned Washington first, and Washington was

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Speaker 1: the team that he sent out on an IG story.

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Speaker 1: He was like in there all twenty two. He somehow

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Speaker 1: watching like old Sam Howell tape. It was kind of crazy.

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Speaker 1: So he kind of wanted Washington and if not, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was where this was all rumored to be going.

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Speaker 1: But according to Myoko, Pittsburgh's out, Washington's out. Let's get

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Speaker 1: back to Myoko. Let's think about who this is like

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Speaker 1: he is as trusted a beat reporter, I would say,

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Speaker 1: just thinking like that is not coming out there unless

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers making their moves, say, okay, do

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Speaker 1: or do you want to take our latest contract off

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Speaker 1: with this holdout which also might be holding up Trent Williams'

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Speaker 2: Who happens to be our best player?

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Speaker 1: And I do wonder if it's the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: not wanting this negotiation to get to the last second

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Speaker 1: of years ago. I think it's crazy to trade Ayuk

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Speaker 1: now or any time after the draft. Any Ayuk trade

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Speaker 1: makes the forty nine Ers team worse and they are

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Speaker 1: ready to go win a Super Bowl. Those draft picks

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be the same picks. That's why you

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Speaker 1: which brings us to another interesting wrinkle of all this.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of angles here.

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Speaker 1: That it was reported again by Myoko that the Browns

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Speaker 1: It was positioned in this article, and if I'm a

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Speaker 1: Mary Kacabot of Cleveland dot Com reported, look, if they

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Speaker 2: I could live with that. The Patriots are crazy.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell me Kendrick Bourne and picks it is

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Speaker 1: don't care what the picks are. You can get those

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do want to get to the financials before we

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Speaker 1: get to the rest of the show, because I thought

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Speaker 1: this was interesting too. A lot of news coming out.

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Speaker 1: Mayoko said that Ayuk is looking for thirty million per year,

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Speaker 1: I take issue with the forty nine ers. You could

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Speaker 1: have paid him. You could have paid him back in March.

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Speaker 1: not those players. Those two players are two years out

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Speaker 1: You could have gotten ahead of this, but you didn't,

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Speaker 1: So pay him like that's what happened. He's worth it.

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Speaker 1: And I can't imagine Kyle Shanahan is happy about this

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Speaker 1: To me, that would be a mistake for both sides.

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Speaker 1: because the smart thing is to keep Ayuk and stop

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Speaker 1: But it's too late for that, But it's not too

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Speaker 1: And if I was a forty nine Ers fan, I

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Speaker 1: let's get to the rest of the show. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: NFL Daily, where we love getting in fights during the

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Speaker 1: dog days of training camp.

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Speaker 2: We've reached the dog days.

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Speaker 1: I'm beyond excited today to be joined by Jordan Rodrigg

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Speaker 1: of the Athletic in the Chris Westling podcast studio to

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Speaker 1: go over camp notes from all of the NFC teams.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 3: As I get deeper and deeper into training camp every year,

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Speaker 3: I lose track of days, times, time zones, and I

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's a sad situation, Greg.

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Speaker 1: It is that week because the preseason starts in earnest

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Speaker 1: later this week, and so I think the official dog

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Speaker 2: We're getting closer to the reals.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw those videos today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's start with the giants actually, because you know

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Speaker 2: Jordan, we like the honk.

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Speaker 4: Just a couple of big honkers.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't really matter to me.

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Speaker 3: I'm generally morally opposed to isolated training camp clips that

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Speaker 3: In the case of Malik Neighbors, like keep them coming,

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Speaker 3: I love them. I think Charlotte Carroll by Colleige get

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Speaker 3: and I think that that's super crucial. You see him

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Speaker 3: potentially raising Daniel Jones's floor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dana Jones showed up on Monday with a

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Speaker 1: I'm more invested in this rookie class than I normally

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Speaker 1: let's get four starters out of this class, including Brian Burns.

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm not as surprised about this. In Vic

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Speaker 1: If you look at their last two draft classes, there

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Speaker 1: And it just sounds like it's not pretty, which is

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Speaker 1: This is a deeper Dak talk that I expected, But

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Speaker 1: pay structure to a new level, I thought, Oh, man,

436
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Speaker 1: he is not signing right now, which is fascinating to me.

437
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Speaker 1: They've there's been a lot of stories though in this camp,

438
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Speaker 1: and the podcast I mentioned, by the way, is called

439
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Speaker 1: Love of the Star. I want to give them credit

440
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Speaker 1: because I'm really getting a lot of this from them.

441
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Speaker 2: I've read stuff.

442
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Speaker 1: But they think for the most part, maybe the best

443
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Speaker 1: wid wide receiver in camp has been Jalen Tolbert.

444
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Speaker 2: So that's nice.

445
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Speaker 1: A guy who's you know, when Brandon Cooks is the

446
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: two but getting older and Tolbert's younger. Sounds like he's

447
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: settling into a role when Ceedee Lamp comes back. The

448
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway I had is that Tyler Goyton in Cooper Bebe,

449
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: which after the draft people are like, oh, they're going

450
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Speaker 1: to have two rookie starters. Cooper Bebe is like a

451
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 1: plug and play center bbe struggling. He's not going to

452
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Speaker 1: be the starter. It's this guy who was an undrafted

453
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Speaker 1: free agent that the line coach like, Soalari Hansman is

454
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Speaker 1: going to be their center, and Tyler Goeyiton might not

455
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Speaker 1: be their Week one starter either, might be a dogo again,

456
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Speaker 1: it might be something where just they're not comfortable playing rookie.

457
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Speaker 1: So it's one of those things you look on draft

458
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Speaker 1: day it's like, oh, they'll have this youth movement, and

459
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Speaker 1: then you get to camp and it's not quite like that.

460
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Speaker 3: I if I'm recalling correctly, and I might not be,

461
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Speaker 3: and I know you'll correct me if I'm not. But

462
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Speaker 3: Geiton was supposed to always take some time, wasn't he.

463
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Speaker 4: He was always supposed.

464
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Speaker 2: To be ry.

465
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Speaker 1: He was like the guy at the end of the

466
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Speaker 1: first round that was kind of pushed up to the

467
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Speaker 1: end of the first round that was really talented, but

468
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Speaker 1: like six tackles had already gone by then.

469
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Speaker 3: One thing that you have always done and you guys

470
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Speaker 3: on the on the previous show around the NFL always

471
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Speaker 3: did that, I think is so awesome and really brought

472
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Speaker 3: so much joy around the league to us beat writers

473
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Speaker 3: on the ground in the trenches. Is that you always

474
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Speaker 3: sighted us and so that's pretty freaking cool that that's

475
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Speaker 3: still ringing truth.

476
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's keep doing that. And I didn't need

477
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Speaker 1: to cite anyone to know Mazzie Smith is struggling because

478
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Speaker 1: the coaches have talked about it, and man, I look

479
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: at that draft they had last year where I think

480
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Speaker 1: they really reached for some need picks.

481
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Speaker 2: Him and Schoonmaker.

482
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Speaker 1: Neither one's really working out, and they just have a

483
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Speaker 1: lot of positions that are up for grabs. I think

484
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Speaker 1: they're starting running back might not be on their roster

485
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Speaker 1: right now, and they might have some defensive tackles out

486
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Speaker 1: there on different teams or our free agents that end

487
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Speaker 1: up playing big snaps. So there's a lot going on

488
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Speaker 1: with this team. I think they have a lot to

489
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Speaker 1: fix in the coming weeks. Let's take our first break

490
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Speaker 1: now and so that they're not just like crammed together

491
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Speaker 1: at the end of the show.

492
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Speaker 2: And we'll be back right after that break.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

494
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Speaker 1: We're back here hitting camp takeaways for all the NFC teams.

495
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Speaker 1: You're gonna kick us off with the Bears, Jordan.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna go to the NFC North, the Bears

497
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Speaker 3: DJ Moore four years, one hundred and ten million dollar extension.

498
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Speaker 3: Do you know what I love the most about the

499
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you without you answering, Okay, what I

500
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Speaker 3: love the most about this is that they are quite

501
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 3: literally aligning the careers of DJ Moore and Romadunze, like

502
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: they are literally pairing them four years on the rookie deal. Obviously,

503
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Speaker 3: if he plays well, he get extended before that, but

504
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Speaker 3: this is their tandem. And I know Keenan Allen's theair.

505
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Speaker 2: I love that.

506
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Speaker 3: I love that fit, and I love his leadership. But

507
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Speaker 3: in terms of like they're showing you exactly who their

508
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Speaker 3: dudes are and who Caleb Williams guys are going to

509
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Speaker 3: be for the next four seasons.

510
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Speaker 1: At least, that is such a I wouldn't say underrated.

511
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Speaker 1: It's just so valuable to have some idea of who's

512
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Speaker 1: going to be on your team in twenty six, in

513
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Speaker 1: twenty seven, and compared to that to other sports, the

514
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 1: NFL has so much turnover. When you can find your

515
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Speaker 1: guys at those positions, it's so valuable. I do wonder

516
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Speaker 1: if we're gonna see Caleb Williams this week in the

517
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Speaker 1: preseason they wanted to play him quite a bit, but

518
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Speaker 1: right now they're short three offensive line starters. So Tevin

519
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Speaker 1: Jenkins is out, Darnault Wright is out, Nate Davis is out,

520
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Speaker 1: and if they're not producing on offense, and right now,

521
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Speaker 1: just according to the practice reports, the offense is you know,

522
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Speaker 1: losing for the most part against this Bears defense, and

523
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Speaker 1: they're worried about keeping him upright, we might not see

524
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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams this week. And you know, it is a

525
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Speaker 1: little concerning. Obviously, this offensive line on paper is not

526
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Speaker 1: great to begin with, but none of these injuries seem

527
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Speaker 1: overly serious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think week to week is kind of what

529
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Speaker 3: you're looking at with some of these guys. You know,

530
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Speaker 3: there's been a lot of conversation about the offense versus

531
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Speaker 3: the defense. Again, this is the extrapolated clips time of year,

532
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Speaker 3: and Caleb Williams, you see some good days, sometimes you

533
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Speaker 3: see some bad days. I wanted to ask someone who's

534
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Speaker 3: seen all the days, who's been every single practice this year,

535
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Speaker 3: So I asked my good friend Kevin Fishbain covers the

536
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Speaker 3: Bears for the Athletic. I promise I read every beat

537
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Speaker 3: writer in the league. It's just we've opened with a

538
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Speaker 3: lot of athletic people. Kevin is I wouldn't call him athletic,

539
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Speaker 3: but he does work for the athletic.

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Speaker 2: Well, you get you have a free subscription.

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Speaker 3: So he's I asked him, really genuinely, what are your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on Caleb Gonna read the text that he sent

543
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Speaker 3: me back. He said, the offense has struggled to get

544
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Speaker 3: in a rhythm or be a smooth operation. But that's

545
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Speaker 3: not all on Caleb. He cited the the offensive lineman

546
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Speaker 3: being out, the three three of them being out, so

547
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: only two starters on that line are healthy right now.

548
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Speaker 3: He's still working through a new scheme dealing with Caden

549
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Speaker 3: says against a veteran defense that does know the calls.

550
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Speaker 4: That said, he has looked the part the off schedule.

551
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Speaker 3: Throws, the arm angles, the accuracy are eye popping, and

552
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Speaker 3: he wants to throw. He can run, but he's trying

553
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Speaker 3: to stay in the pocket and let his receivers do

554
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Speaker 3: the work.

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Speaker 1: And they're on year three of their defense, by the way, too. Yeah,

556
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Speaker 1: sometimes defense gonna be frisky. It's not a fair fight.

557
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Speaker 1: They need they need another edg Rusher. Austin Booker, a

558
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: fifth round rookie, been getting some notice and made a

559
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Speaker 1: couple of plays in the just in terms of you know,

560
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Speaker 1: pushing the pocket in the Hall of Fame game.

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Speaker 2: So that's a name to watch.

562
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Speaker 3: They're also missing. They're not expected to be serious, but

563
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Speaker 3: there have been missing at various points, and recently we're

564
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Speaker 3: missing Montes Sweat, Andrew Billings, cornerbacks, Kyler Gordon, Tyree Stevenson

565
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Speaker 3: in safety, Jakwan Brisker, and so Jalen John Since said

566
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Speaker 3: he's not super worried about that, but just something to

567
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 3: keep an eye on. Injuries kind of sneaky taken over

568
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Speaker 3: some parts of these practices.

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Speaker 1: I think, all right, let's do let's do the other

570
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Speaker 1: side of that, Giants Lions.

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Speaker 4: Let's go right into the Lions.

572
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was going to bring up the joint

573
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Speaker 3: practices too again, Colton Poundsy was saying he's never seen

574
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Speaker 3: as physical of a practice. They did take some contact.

575
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Speaker 3: It looked like Kevin Zieler, the guard, he had to

576
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Speaker 3: leave practice with the shoulder injury, and then Terry On

577
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Speaker 3: Arnold took a nasty hit from a left tackle.

578
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Speaker 4: Giants left that one.

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Speaker 1: You could see that is one of the clips that

580
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Speaker 1: was out there is Andrew Thomas on the edge, just

581
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Speaker 1: crushing Arnold who was not knocked down.

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Speaker 3: Surprisingly, Yeah he stood, he stood in there, but he

583
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Speaker 3: now is being evaluated.

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Speaker 1: The downside of these joint practices is the fights, and

585
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Speaker 1: you don't want to have injuries.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

587
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, It sounds like Brian Branch might come back to

588
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: full practice soon. He was in individuals, he was doing

589
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of pads work, had some team opportunities.

590
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Speaker 3: He is so much fun watch. Sounds like he's going

591
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: to be at safety instead of kind of moving around

592
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: all over the place. Ennis Rakestraw, the rookie cornerback, getting

593
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Speaker 3: his hands on the ball apparently according to reports on

594
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Speaker 3: the ground there at those practices.

595
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Speaker 2: So that's they're just so deep there.

596
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Speaker 1: Jamison Williams started the team session, the red zone session

597
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Speaker 1: with like a wide open twenty yard touchdown and yeah

598
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Speaker 1: you're colleague Culton Pouncy. I listened to his podcast too,

599
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: which is just transferring check out his new one, and

600
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: he talked about how the class of twenty one, which

601
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Speaker 1: of course had Penney Sewell there and a mon rossing

602
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Brown super duperstars are really developing and three defenders. Levi

603
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Speaker 1: on Wuzurique who just hasn't been able to stay healthy,

604
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Speaker 1: and then Derek Barnes and then Melafon who came on

605
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Speaker 1: at safety at the end of last year. And to me,

606
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Speaker 1: that just shows what a great coaching staff can do

607
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Speaker 1: because these are guys they stuck with and they're not

608
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Speaker 1: going to be superstars or anything, but it really sounds

609
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: like own Wuzurique and they could really use another interior

610
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Presence is ready to have his best season and the

611
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: other two guys are ready to have their best seasons.

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Speaker 1: Barnes is now Derek Barnes at strong side linebacker and

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Speaker 1: Jack Campbell's gonna be in the middle and looks apparently

614
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Speaker 1: a little more ready for a bigger role this year.

615
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Speaker 1: In Melafono, it was great last year. So that's just

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Speaker 1: what good coaching staffs can do. That Like, yeah, it's

617
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Speaker 1: not just about first year, second year. Sometimes your your

618
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: guys in your fourth year can take a jump. And

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Speaker 1: if they do this, this may be my NFC title pick.

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Speaker 1: Not that that's on a limb or anything, but I

621
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Speaker 1: like them.

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Speaker 3: Before I jump to the Packers. Sounds like they did

623
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Speaker 3: for fantasy football people. Sounds like they did find their

624
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: wide receiver three Dorrise Fountain, former practice squad member, might

625
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: be making a little bit of a case for himself.

626
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Speaker 4: Let's let's hit the packers.

627
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Speaker 2: Go to the packers, please?

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Speaker 3: Did I did I do that? Okay, this is my

629
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Speaker 3: first time throwing. You know, that's your job, that's your time,

630
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Speaker 3: that's your job. But I'm throwing to the next section here,

631
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Speaker 3: let's go. Okay, Romeo dobbs the buzz going against jay

632
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: R Alexander. There's a lot of people his teammates, former

633
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 3: teammates as well, who are kind of shouting him out

634
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: as one of the top receivers in the league or

635
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: ready for kind of that breakout season. I'm curious. I

636
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Speaker 3: know you've been kind of tracking that a little bit.

637
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Speaker 3: I'm curious about your thoughts on.

638
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he always is great because he makes in camp,

639
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: because he's the best at making those red zone just

640
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: wild catches. But he's proven he can do it. I

641
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: was a little worried because that family night. We'll get

642
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: to that more in a bit. You know, someone charted

643
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: the snaps of with Jordan Love and my guy Dantavian Wicks,

644
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: who to me might be the most well rounded of

645
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Speaker 1: the four receivers.

646
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: So Jane Reid's in the slot. You have Christian Watson,

647
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Speaker 2: you have Dobbs.

648
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Speaker 1: They're all different flavors, but Wicks had the fewest amount

649
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Speaker 1: of snaps. It's a good problem to have for the Packers.

650
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Speaker 1: It's great for fantasy people less so I was a

651
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: little I was a little down on that, but they're

652
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Speaker 1: all I mean yet at the end of last year,

653
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Speaker 1: Dobbs was kind of their most trusted guy.

654
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Speaker 3: Yeah, outstanding connection with him and Jordan Love. It seems

655
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: like it just never slowed down and just picked up

656
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: right where I left off. Rookie first round pick Jordan Morgan,

657
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: he played left tackle at Arizona in college. He's gonna

658
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: play right guard and he's been getting reps with the Ones.

659
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 3: They've had some injuries as well, but he basically, he

660
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: told reporters the other day, he just wants to get

661
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Speaker 3: on the field.

662
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 4: He'll play wherever right.

663
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: This is a very Packers thing.

664
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Speaker 1: They always have position flexible guys and changed positions year

665
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: to year. Elton Jenkins, who's been a pro bowler, is

666
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: always in a different spot. Another one of their rookies,

667
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: see Evan Williams. Their safety getting a lot of pop.

668
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Nagler if she said TVs has said this guy's

669
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: just a player, and they drafted two safeties, you know,

670
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: with pretty valuable picks, him and Javon Buller and kind

671
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: of seeing which one works out. I think Rashaun Garry's

672
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: gonna have monster year because again it's the second year

673
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: after the ACL injury, so he's someone to watch. They

674
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Speaker 1: would love Lucas van Ness, who was pretty quiet as

675
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: a rookie, to step up a little.

676
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Speaker 3: Okay, explain something to me. Actually, I would love you,

677
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: of all people, please explain this to me. So Zach

678
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: Tom's going to come back to practice. Sounds like he's

679
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: been working in a couple of individuals. He had a

680
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 3: torn peck for it from lifting weights. So just let

681
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: me hang out. They're right tackle hang in there at

682
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: Tucker Craft. He may return either this week or next week.

683
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: Torn pectoral from lifting weights. Yeah, Matt Lafleur horn pectoral

684
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: from lifting So Greg, I know as an avid bodybuilder yourself, Yes,

685
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: what is what.

686
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: Are they lifting? How heavy are they lifting?

687
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: Over there?

688
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: I mean, can we get like a ballpark?

689
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: The form? The form must be bad.

690
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not too much into the you know, the

691
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: lifting that would that would shock you. I don't want

692
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: to say what I'm really thinking, which is just like

693
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: these are types of injuries that didn't occur back in

694
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: like the sixties and seventies. I'm just saying, I don't know, Okay, Boomer,

695
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: It's not about that. It's just like what else is

696
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: going on there?

697
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: Do you think they were all in like a competition together,

698
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 3: like bro who can bench the most reps?

699
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: Like something something to that effect.

700
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: I do want to shout out there was a to me,

701
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: the coolest moment of training camp happened at Packers camp.

702
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: They had like friends and family night, and they had

703
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: people in the stands and and.

704
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: It was really cool.

705
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: You get to go to lambeau Field and kind of

706
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: get excited about the season. There was a kid who

707
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: was catching punts, was fielding NFL punts, and he fielded

708
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: two punts, held onto the ball both of those, both

709
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: of the footballs, and then caught a third and the

710
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: team just lost it. I think we've got to This

711
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: is my first time throwing to a video guys, so

712
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: let's hope I get it.

713
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: We got a video from the Packers YouTube channel.

714
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: We got that one. They're coming on coming on Strong.

715
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: That's good coaching. Rock right there, they're getting good coaching.

716
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: Oh with the hands, now, this is the best his face,

717
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: he nailed it.

718
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: I love it.

719
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: Kidding me, everyone comes over.

720
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: Hid will never forget this moment, trust me, no matter

721
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: what he does the rest of his sports life.

722
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: I just love that. I just thought that. I just

723
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: think that's so. That's training camp in a nutshell.

724
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: That was incredible though, because most NFL players could not

725
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: do that, and you got like a ten year old kid.

726
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: I thought it like got them a practice off or.

727
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: Something like that.

728
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: The Rams are going to sign them. They had the

729
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: worst special teams unit in the league last year. Okay, Minnesota, Yeah,

730
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: I wonder what you made of Kevin O'Connell's coming up

731
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: to the podium or the lectern or whatever the right

732
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: word for that is. And kind of he was a

733
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: little salty adamant for sure when he was asked at

734
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: the beginning of camp about the plan for the quarterbacks

735
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: and all of that, and he like hammered down into

736
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: we're doing it this way. I'm not going to put

737
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy into anything he's not ready for beforehand. But

738
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: sounds like JJ McCarthy's workload is ramping up a little bit.

739
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of first team reps. And they

740
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: sort of did it on a Saturday with like three reps.

741
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: It was almost like a series. It was almost like

742
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: a bad new like a Friday news dropper like that.

743
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: They just like didn't want anyone to notice. So we'll see.

744
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: All All reports are that for the most part, he's

745
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: looked really sharp, good in red zones, like better at

746
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: than Sam Donald at certain things and worse at others.

747
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I listen to Purple Daily is a good

748
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Vikings podcast and they've been on this and one thing

749
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: they pointed out jud Zalgad there was that Donald looks

750
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: great throwing the ball deep.

751
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: It just looks so pretty.

752
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: But this is an intermediate offense, like that's where Justin

753
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: Jefferson has won over and over and that is not

754
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Sam Donald's strength. And that's not where he's been accurate

755
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: necessarily as a pro, So that might be an issue.

756
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: But yes, has he always had Johnny Munt with him? No,

757
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: a little bit tug and cheek there, but Johnny Munt

758
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: apparently is catching everything in camp. He hasn't dropped a

759
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: pass yet, and he's also gotten the most targets according

760
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 3: to the beat writers there, So that's that's.

761
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Speaker 4: Significant to me.

762
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: My good friend Stu Jackson and I we have he

763
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: works over at the Rams. We have a saying, because

764
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: we covered him, you cannot stop Johnny Munt. You may

765
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: only hope to contain him.

766
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Yes, TJ.

767
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Hockinson coming off of a tourney ACL at tight end,

768
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't think Monk's going to be the

769
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: centerpiece of their offense, but it points out that that

770
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: is a big place in there offense. Jalen Naylor it

771
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: seems like if he's healthy, he's going to be their

772
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver three. So we do learn about these position battles,

773
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: and that's good. He's always been a talented young player

774
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: who just hasn't been able to stay healthy. Your guy

775
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: Brandon Powell is probably more their their fourth and then

776
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: they're so thin at cornerback. I think it's going to

777
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: be a major problem for this team. They signed Fabian

778
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Moreau and he immediately just started taking starter reps, so

779
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: that that's not a great sign. And as here's a

780
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: repeat from around the NFC last year when we did

781
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: this show, I was mentioning how QUESI yeah, has done

782
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: a great job, but his first two draft picks he

783
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: ever had. We're struggling to get out in the field.

784
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Lewis Scene and Andrew Booth, and now here we are

785
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: a year later. They're still on the team, but Seen

786
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: is probably not going to be on the team after camp,

787
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: and Andrew Booth.

788
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: Might not be either.

789
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: So like even the good gems, those that looks like

790
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: two big swings and Missus, it.

791
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: Sounds like they're kind of gonna rely pretty heavily on

792
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: scheme with this defense and Brian Flores and safety play

793
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 3: and Brian Flores manufacturing pressure upfront to kind of help

794
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: those those quarterbacks. Excuse me, those cornerbacks out to terrorize

795
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: quarterbacks on the air side.

796
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: We have like four safeties that they love and they

797
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: played Josh Mattellus and Theo Jackson's been playing well in camp.

798
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: So there's your Vikings update. Let's do the NFC South

799
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: next and I'll kick it off with a team that's

800
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: near and dear to your heart. I don't need to

801
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: give away your business, but yeah, you were having a

802
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: nice conversation with Ron Rivera today.

803
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: Great news, Ron, Great to see Ron.

804
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: Ron now working at the NFL network. We'll see here

805
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: for GMFB. I don't know, but he was here. Yeah,

806
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: you and Ron Rivera, you guys are tight this this

807
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Panthers team. You're just looking for positivity. But they have

808
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: had some injuries. Xavier get was their first round pick,

809
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: was not necessarily in line to be their third receiver.

810
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: They were hoping that he really changes their wide receiver room,

811
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: and supposedly the Patriots were gonna take him, but they,

812
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, want they took him before the Patriots could

813
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: has a foot injury. But wasn't impressing the people on

814
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: the ground there. Your old colleague Joseph Person Mike Kaye

815
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: is also at the Charlotte Observer there, and they both

816
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: had kind of I wouldn't say negative, but just saying

817
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: like it was taken a while for him to get going.

818
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: But Jonathan Mingo, who I like, come out in the draft.

819
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: They're saying maybe he's a little more ready to have

820
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: a big role. So it might be Mingo starting and

821
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: maybe Terras Marshall is the third.

822
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting. It sounds like Dave Canalis is

823
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: gonna utilize tight ends, like we've said for a lot

824
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 3: of different teams. Sounds like he's gonna lean on those

825
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: guys a little bit more. I just want good things

826
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: for the papers, for the fans, like, I just want

827
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: good things for them.

828
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: I mean, my God, Like, can we just can we

829
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: move the ball down the field? Please?

830
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Bryce.

831
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of Bryce Deontae John's Like, no matter

832
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: what the source is, whether it's their team website or anyone, right,

833
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: and it's like another good day for Bryce and Deontay Johnson.

834
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to end up being a great,

835
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: great trade for them.

836
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: Hope springs eternal, okay, But on the other side of

837
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: the ball, kind of sneaky older in a couple of

838
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: really important positions, particularly in that defensive scheme under Agiro

839
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: Everro Jadavian Clowney, who I've loved as a player for

840
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: a long time. It's really fun when he puts it together,

841
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: and he still has definitely plenty of explosiveness and power.

842
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna he's slotted. And they released their Darren gand

843
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: at the team website, they released their first step chart,

844
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 3: and I know we're not going to read too much

845
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: into like the sort of the team released depth charts

846
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: this time of year, but he's on the edge, and

847
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: then Troy Hill is starting in the slot for them,

848
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: and again, those are two absolutely crucial positions. You cannot

849
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: get hurt there. They are kind of concerning on that

850
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: side of the ball and their offense. We just don't

851
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: know if their offense is going to actually help that

852
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: defense out.

853
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't.

854
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: They don't have any other edges. That's the thing is clowney.

855
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: As long as he plays like the last couple of

856
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: years and stays healthy, that's great. But after that it's

857
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: it's pretty thin. I gotta say tight end. They might

858
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: start Jatavian Sanders week one, just because Ian Thomas, their

859
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: regular starter, might be out all the way until then. Backfield,

860
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: maybe it's Miles Sanders, maybe not. Andy Dalton's out for

861
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks with a quad injury, which I

862
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: hope let's get healthy soon. Andy Dalton, all right, let's

863
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: go to the Saints. I was down there in Irvine

864
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: for NFL Network on Friday, and that was fun. Tyron Matthew,

865
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: great interview. I love I love what he said about

866
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: some criticism that he heard from CJ.

867
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Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson.

868
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 6: I mean, and I'm gona speak for himself, you know

869
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 6: what I mean. I think I'm like one or two

870
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 6: in like interceptions since twenty thirteen, you know what I mean,

871
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 6: I've been an all decade, All Pro player. So I

872
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 6: mean when guys like that chirp, it doesn't really bother me.

873
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 6: But every now and then, you know, I got to

874
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 6: take that low road and kind of remind them you

875
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 6: know who I am.

876
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 2: Does it give you a little extra juice? You play

877
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: that week two? You got that circle now?

878
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, listen, man, he used

879
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 6: to play for the Saints, and you know obviously, uh,

880
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 6: you know I've played against the Eagles of Bunts. Man,

881
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 6: that's a great team. I think Nick is going to

882
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 6: do a great job getting those guys ready. But uh,

883
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 6: you know we're gonna be ready to row.

884
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: I love that from Honey Badger.

885
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: And you do get this attitude from this defense that

886
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: they believe that they're going to be good enough to

887
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: carry this team. And they've won a lot of the

888
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: days at training camp. But supposedly Derek Carr and the

889
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: offense getting it going a little better. To me, Chase

890
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Young looking really healthy and strong coming off next surgery

891
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: is probably the biggest single development down there at their camp.

892
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: Uh the what was it the Kubiaks? What did we

893
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: what was the group kubi the Well, no, this is

894
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: it was a kettle, a kettle of Kubiaks. Anyway, I'm

895
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: expecting a lot more play action that's going to help

896
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: everybody out on offense. That will, particularly, in my opinion,

897
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 3: help Derek Carr out in terms of some of the

898
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: efficiency and just sustaining through.

899
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 4: The course of a season.

900
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: I agree with you, though, this defense hasnly been pretty

901
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: fun to watch, even if you haven't really other parts

902
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: of the team haven't really popped or they haven't really

903
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: been in the in the topical conversation of like really

904
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: exciting teams to watch, this defense is always fun, and

905
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: so I do think that they've kind of maybe it

906
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: sounds like from that interview, great interview with Tyron Matthew,

907
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: a little bit of pop, a little bit of chippy,

908
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: chippiness on the shoulder. We're on chip alert. So yeah,

909
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: until Clay.

910
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: You never you never know what to what to put

911
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: into it. Whenever you leave a team and you're like, oh, yeah,

912
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: of course they're all going to be great. They believe

913
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: they're going to be great. I was impressed by Willie Gay,

914
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: their linebacker who who I also you know, had a

915
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: chance to interview with Bridget Condon that he managed to

916
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: stay totally calm while a gigantic beetle the size of

917
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: like a small rat landed on the back of his

918
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: head and it was right next to me and about

919
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to touch that man's head, and I was.

920
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: A little you know, I didn't you stay calm? I

921
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: was pretty calm.

922
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And thankfully their their pr head, you know, knock

923
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: knocked it off, Willy said, But that that was impressive.

924
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: This team is so thin behind their top skill guys

925
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: like Rashid Shaheed is out of practice right now, and

926
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: their second wide receiver is who I mean, you don't know.

927
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like at Perry or this undrafted kid Mason Tipton

928
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: or who knows. And behind Alvin Kamarat running back, they

929
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: like the second year player Jordan Mims, but Jamal Williams

930
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: is still there.

931
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty thin.

932
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: You got a backup quarterback battle with Jake Hayner and

933
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler. That's kind of fun. But they are as

934
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: banged up right now as any team in the league.

935
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: I counted nine starters that were out of nine starters

936
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: or like top rotation guys that were out of practice

937
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: on Monday, which is just that's an outrageous number, including

938
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: like to Mario Davis and Marshaun Lattimore.

939
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: So you just want to get healthy.

940
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: I said this a few weeks ago. I think to you,

941
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 3: over the next few years, keep an eye on Spencer

942
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: Rattler in terms of that development, in terms of that

943
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: skill level ascension. Making things a little bit interesting there

944
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 3: at quarterback.

945
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, oh yeah, if they struggle as a team,

946
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: fans will be calling for him. But he's got to

947
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: play well in the preseason to win that backup job. Supposedly,

948
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: reportedly Jay Kyner, who was their choice last year in

949
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: the middle rounds, is playing better and it is a battle.

950
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the bucks. I thought it was

951
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: interesting Levonte David said this is the best culture we've

952
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: ever had in Tampa. I was like, well, Levonte David's

953
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: been there for a long time with some good teams

954
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: that won the Super Bowl. This is the best culture

955
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: right now that they've ever had. Todd Bowles.

956
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles, Todd Bowles perennially chill dude like Dials up

957
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: some of the nastiest you know what you've ever seen,

958
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: but just stays very calm. Even Keel loved some of

959
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: his press conferences this last year. I think they kind

960
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: of flew unto the radar. Some of the dry, the

961
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: dry humor kind of flew under the radar. But I

962
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: think he's also talking about vibes collectively in the building.

963
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: And you know, I know Liam Cullen got a lot

964
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: of criticism for that twenty twenty two and then sort

965
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: of that dem back down into college, you know, at

966
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: Kentucky and then sort of moving laterally into another OC job,

967
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen and Baker Mayfield together kind of like an

968
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: all vibe situations, Okay to be frank.

969
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, like, okay, who's there and who's

970
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: not there, Like Devin White's not there, Carlton Davis isn't there.

971
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: Just it was just I thought that was interesting, And

972
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: I just think people are kind of sleeping on this

973
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: Bucks squad. I think they are the favorites in the

974
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: NFC South, but they are thin at outside linebacker. We

975
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: talked about ya Yaddabi has a high ankle sprain. Randy

976
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: Gregory I don't think is showing up. I heard a

977
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: little whisper. Was that from you? That there there was

978
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: a team out there that I think is hoping to

979
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: sign Randy Gregory because they think this whole thing with

980
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: the Bucks is just not gonna happen.

981
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: That was That was not me.

982
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm not gonna say what team, but yeah,

983
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: so keep an eye on that. They've had some injuries

984
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: in the secondary. Zion McCollum is their second cornerback, asking

985
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot. Tavi or Thomas is their third. But a

986
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: quiet and some what healthy training camp for the Bucks.

987
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: It's good to be quiet. Let's go to the Falcons.

988
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: They've been noisier. I would say, we won't do. We've

989
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Kirk Cousins. One thing that occurred

990
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: to me in this camp is like you haven't been

991
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: hearing and I try to dig a little out bit

992
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: on this that like Michael Pennox is pushing him. I

993
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: don't think Michael Pennox is having the rookie training camp

994
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: that's so far that's going to make everyone think, Okay,

995
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: this guy's close to being ready when Kirk Cousins is

996
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: looking as good as he is.

997
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: With that said, I do expect Taylor.

998
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: Heineke to get traded maybe at the end of training

999
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: camp for like a conditional six or seventh to some

1000
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: team that could use him as a backup.

1001
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know this is not to downgrade anything

1002
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: that kirk Cousins is doing. It sounds like he's leading,

1003
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: it sounds like he's looking good, looking healthy, But backup

1004
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 3: quarterbacks don't get a lot of reps at training camp.

1005
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: You are literally installing a new offense. So kirk Cousins

1006
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 3: is going to get the lion's share obviously of those reps.

1007
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: And even with the twos, you're just not allocating that

1008
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: amount of time that you would be in a system

1009
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 3: that has already been there for a couple of years.

1010
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: Players know the language. The rep allocation is just significantly different.

1011
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: And so what I think is interesting is you are

1012
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: seeing some of kirk cousins preferred players start to emerge

1013
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: a little bit. Ray Ray McCloud is going to be

1014
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: their slot receiver according to reporters on the ground down there,

1015
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: and it's sort of being framed as a surprise, and

1016
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: it's just interesting, like they're kind of starting to take

1017
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: shape in terms of a diverse passing game. We hope

1018
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: that we see the ball get thrown around a lot more.

1019
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: I know that football players definitely hope. And then the

1020
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: other thing I thought was interesting coming out of Falcons

1021
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: camp is, you know, Bijon is extraordinary, right, so talented,

1022
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 3: but there were some notes on some of the ball

1023
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: security issues in for fumbles last year. Apparently that's been

1024
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: a huge emphasis for him and then also for everybody

1025
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: around him in collectively keeping that front of mind through

1026
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: these practices.

1027
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fascinating because you look, if your third receiver

1028
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: is Raray McCleod, no slight to him, but I just

1029
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of balls are going to Drake London

1030
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: and Pitts.

1031
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: Who's learning two jobs. We've you talked about.

1032
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: That inside outside, although he's always been that, so that

1033
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: to me isn't too different, Like he's always basically been

1034
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: a slot receiver. Their website said brayln Trice has been

1035
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: the quickest rookie to make an impact over the last

1036
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, maybe getting more snaps than Ebachetty. They

1037
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: need to find a pass rusher so that would really help.

1038
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they the Falcons defense might lead the

1039
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: league in guys that you've just never heard of. That

1040
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: might be starting James Smith Williams at linebacker, Nate Landman

1041
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: in the mix right now, it's probably my cues over

1042
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Clark Phillips at cornerback. So just a lot of open

1043
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: spots there. Raheem Morris will be tested, and we're going

1044
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: to be tested with one last division. It's Jordan Rodrigg's division.

1045
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: She talks about the Rams too much.

1046
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: Now, yes I do.

1047
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: I've heard the feedback, and we uh, we'll talk about

1048
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: the Rams and the rest of the NFC West after

1049
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: one last break back on NFL Daily parading through the

1050
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: streets on the fourth of July.

1051
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: That's what this sounds like to me.

1052
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: Love this country, go some moan biles. Let's start with

1053
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in the NFC West.

1054
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 3: Jordan, like, I actually have to have a really serious

1055
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: conversation with you about what what was your darkest day

1056
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: of the Great Geno Scare twenty twenty four.

1057
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: I think it was just the text I now don't

1058
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: remember who sent it to me that yeah you were

1059
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: you only see like the first part of the text,

1060
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: and it was like, yeah, Geno's out of practice tests coming,

1061
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: and then it was like what else, what else doesn't say,

1062
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: you're just blacked out. He's back at practice. I'm just

1063
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: excited for this season, for him, for them, but I

1064
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: am worried about the offensive line. And this was what

1065
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: the GENO stands were saying last year. That's like, I

1066
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: promise he's playing pretty well, but he's under the most

1067
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: pressure rate in the league, and I don't know if

1068
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: that's gonna change. Abe Lucas sounds like his injuries he's

1069
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: their right tackle, are serious enough. Who knows when he's

1070
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: gonna be back. If he's gonna be the same when

1071
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: he's back, the interior is a question mark. There was

1072
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: a mention on the radio in Miami on Monday that

1073
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, who is a really good center for the

1074
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: Dolphins but is coming off of torn acl might be

1075
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: signing with the Seahawks in the next two to three days.

1076
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: So that would make me feel better.

1077
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, good center, a lot of experience. Kind of sounds

1078
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: like he's on the circuit a little bit, negotiating a

1079
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: little bit with Miami, but then also talking with some

1080
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: other people around the league. He's been on a couple visits,

1081
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 3: had some conversations, So I think that would be a

1082
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: good pick.

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00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: On my top one on one less that was good

1084
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: maybe true where where like the mid sixties, I think

1085
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: kind of high because he's been like a rock solid

1086
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: plus starting center.

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00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: Why are you laughing?

1088
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 4: Because I just I really just like like just sort of.

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00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: Who's going to even check to see if right or not.

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00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: I loved listening to your colleague Michael Sean Dugar, Yes,

1091
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: Michael Sean Dugar talking on his podcast about just the

1092
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver cornerback matchups, like that has to be the

1093
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: best wide receiver cornerback matchups in the entire league. And

1094
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: I thought it's been interesting to hear Mike McDonald, their coach, say,

1095
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: Tarik Willen this year is on a mission after a

1096
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: pretty down second year, and they're just they love the

1097
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: versatility of those three guys. And Trey Brown is the third,

1098
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: who's an underrated for a third cornerback is really good,

1099
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: and they're matching up with that wide receiver trio like

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00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: that's as good as it gets probably in practice every

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00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: day around the league.

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Speaker 4: You know what's so much fun to think about.

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00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: I mean, they're moving Tarik Wollan and Devin Witherspoon, They're

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00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 3: moving them around left right Witherspoon. Spoon is also playing

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00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: in this slot a little bit. And on the other side,

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00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: I mean, they're making the receivers better, and the receivers

1107
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: are kind of getting their licks too. I mean, Jake Bobo,

1108
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: there's a whole hashtag hashtag more Bobo. But you know,

1109
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: apparently he's becoming, like developing into a little bit of

1110
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: a cult favorite up there in the Pacific Northwest. And

1111
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be it's only gonna make everyone better.

1112
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: And I am expecting a really aggressive, very versatile, very

1113
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: technically sound defensive unit from Mike McDonald and staff.

1114
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy reportedly once the Pads came on their first

1115
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: round pick up defensive tackle making a lot of noise,

1116
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: creating a lot of pressure. Guy, your Rams might have

1117
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: wanted to take to do we do the Rams now look.

1118
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: A long look at him.

1119
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: Okay, So with the Rams, they're missing three starting offensive

1120
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: linemen who are all week to week. Left tackle Alaric

1121
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: Jackson started played well for them last year as well,

1122
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: he's got an ankle injury. Right tackle Rob Havenstein week

1123
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: to week he's got an ankle injury, and then left

1124
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: guard Jonah Jackson he's dealing with a shoulder injury. He's

1125
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 3: weak to weak, and and these are all fickle injuries,

1126
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 3: you know, ankles on a big guy like that's that's

1127
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit of a fickle recovery.

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Speaker 4: I am.

1129
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean watching, Yes, the Chargers defense is super impressive

1130
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 3: between scheme and some of those younger players coming along

1131
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 3: a little bit and then combining a really versatile pass rush.

1132
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: But the Chargers just beat the brakes off the Rams

1133
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: in terms of some of that scheme upfront.

1134
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, way they were fading off and.

1135
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 4: Sides, Yeah, I mean it was.

1136
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: It was significant, and so I'm worried about young Warren

1137
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: mclendon's second year right tackle. All eyes are on him

1138
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: right now to see if he can take that next

1139
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: step forward because the Rams also have to think about

1140
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: the long term future after Rob Havenstein. And the most

1141
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 3: significant news that came out of that practice was Puka

1142
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: Nakua is also weak to week with an ankle injury.

1143
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 3: I was told sources, you know, I was told that

1144
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: this is not considered that serious. I was told that

1145
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: the team is not, you know, feeling panicked about this,

1146
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: but they're going to err on the side of caution. Again,

1147
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 3: they would really like him healthy for a significant part,

1148
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: if not all, the season in postseason.

1149
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need him healthy. And I don't know, it's

1150
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: like injuries are contagious with the Rams because Joey Bosa

1151
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: actually left the practice. I know we're not doing AFC today,

1152
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: but that was with an injured wrist, I believe two.

1153
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: So that's something to watch there. Yeah, Pooka, that's one thing.

1154
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 1: Three starting o lignemen that are week to week, and yeah,

1155
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: it gives a chance for the tight end. So you've

1156
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: talked about and we've hit a lot of the Rams

1157
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: on this show, but yeah, Davis Allen, you know, maybe

1158
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: gets a little more pop. Blake Korm sounds like he's

1159
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: having a solid enough camp that they like him at

1160
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: running back. And I thought it was interesting last thing

1161
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: on the RAMS and then we can we can move on.

1162
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: I watched our friend JB Long his show with the Rams.

1163
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Asked Sean McVay about who stood out most at training camp,

1164
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: and he went, Braden Fist was his first first name.

1165
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: And that seems like Sean mcvay's camp crush. And yeah,

1166
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: they could use some difference makers on d They found

1167
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: some in the draft last year. That's their second round pick,

1168
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: and that would be great for them.

1169
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Braiden Fisk close, closely followed by

1170
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: Jared Vers, but Braiden Fisk I think had the best

1171
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 3: camp probably of any player you know. And then I

1172
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 3: also think that their safeties look awesome. I think this

1173
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: defense might be a little bit surprising to people who

1174
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: were expecting this, this big drop off post Aaron Donald,

1175
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: which it could still be that way. We've seen very

1176
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 3: little work in pads yet. But Braiden Fisk, his hands

1177
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: are correct, his feet are correct, He's explosive. When the

1178
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: pads came on, he looked every bit the part. And

1179
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: there's like I said before, their safeties are awesome. Cam

1180
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: Curl has had an absolutely outstanding camp. Quentin Lake's gonna

1181
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: be moving around a lot for him, including playing.

1182
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: The Star Cool. Let's uh wrap up. We have two

1183
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: more teams.

1184
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 4: Get well Stucker, get well soon for Walker.

1185
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: Yes, but let's wrap up with the Cardinals.

1186
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 4: Zavan Collins. Did you have you talked about the Zavon

1187
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: Collins extend?

1188
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: No, we did not hit that.

1189
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's two year, fourteen million, great fit in this

1190
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: scheme because he's versatile, does a lot of things. You

1191
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: were reminiscing on a fund Zaven Collins memory earlier.

1192
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he had about as dominant a single performance

1193
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: I've ever seen any defensive player out for the Tulsa

1194
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: Golden Hurricane against my two lane Green Wave a few

1195
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 1: years back.

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00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: Not not great news to b j O JULYI torn

1197
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: acl You hate to see that.

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00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 4: First of all, in camp.

1199
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: You always get a couple who have season ending injuries

1200
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: in camp, but they're really I mean, they're obviously they're

1201
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: gonna need to Davion Collins a step up, but they're

1202
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: really thin at edge rusher. If if they don't, you know,

1203
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: without without missing one of their guys, that's just a

1204
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: tough injury.

1205
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 4: It's just it's just hard.

1206
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: That's brutal.

1207
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: He was easily their most promising pass rusher, was going

1208
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: to start if you look kind of beneath the hood

1209
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: in terms of pass rush, win ray and pressure per snap,

1210
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. He was up there with

1211
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: the best rookie pass rushers in the league last year.

1212
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: And that's I thought their worst position group on the

1213
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: team probably, although if him and Collins, if Collins kept developing,

1214
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: and yeah, that was a smart deal by them. I

1215
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: think they know him well and he's in a new

1216
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: role and they're going to save some money two years

1217
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars for starting edge rusher. Been a couple

1218
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: items on the offense. I did want to hit, Like

1219
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: I noticed Trey Benson, who I gave a lot of

1220
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: pop a few weeks ago, is like running forth right now,

1221
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: and they're running back rotation. So you know, if you're

1222
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: two spots behind I think it's Mari de Marcado in

1223
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: one spot behind Michael Carter, you might now want to

1224
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: take him too early in fantasy draft.

1225
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 2: So that's my bad.

1226
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Drew Petsing sounds like our friend Nate Tice was

1227
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: at Cardinals camp last week and he was reporting on

1228
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: a lot of heavy personnel usage up front and they,

1229
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Drew Petsing is going to run the snot

1230
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: out of the football. But that is also including the

1231
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 3: fact that there's more dimensionality because Kyler Murray apparently looks

1232
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: just as outstanding as you would expect, but apparently has

1233
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: been great and one of his favorite targets has been

1234
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: Greg dor who's catching everything is good.

1235
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: They I love their two three four, Like Zay Jones

1236
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: when he's healthy, is a good rotational receiver.

1237
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1238
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: They they've said like him, Michael Wilson, who I think

1239
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: has got a little higher ceiling and doorsch that's two

1240
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: three four. But it doesn't really matter how much you

1241
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: shake him up. They have enough receivers. Trade McBride is

1242
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: really their two. And I know Nate Tye was there.

1243
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: It was because Desmond Ritter is in a big time

1244
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: camp battle with Clayton Tune his guy, Desmond Ridder.

1245
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 4: You know, Nate's just checking inn win them all on

1246
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 4: the guys.

1247
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 2: I'm just h just punching down on Nate here. That

1248
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: and his Desmond Ridder love. That's it. We did it.

1249
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: We did that, teams.

1250
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: That was a thin slice of heaven, as Dave daan Aschek,

1251
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: our friend would say. But that's it. That's it for

1252
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: today's NFL Daily. We'll be back in the Chris Westleyan

1253
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: podcast studio on Wednesday's show. Looking forward to that, We're

1254
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: going to do a mock draft, Patrick Claybah, Michael f Florio,

1255
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: Marcus scram But in the meantime, I'm heading down to

1256
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: Raiders camp getting some content, some surprises there.

1257
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 2: See you next time

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Speaker 6: M HM