WEBVTT - Beating The Book: 2025 Super Wildcard Weekend NFL Guessing Lines Show 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.560 Check it in, man, and I'm just told the story. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.760 Now he's done. It's one of those idiots will believe 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:09.600 in the analytics. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.640 This is a numbers game with Gil Alexander gone good. 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:15.760 Monday morning two, there is a numbers game at vs 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.520 in the Sports Betting Network VSENT dot Com, Game plus, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.159 iHeart Radio, YouTube TV. Every take it is in. We 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.479 appreciate it's skill, Alexander. This gentleman to my left is 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.400 producer number nine, so much more than a producer. Kelly 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:29.960 Biddle and everybody, how you doing me? 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.839 I'm doing great. Was also decided if I carry a 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:38.559 gold pen makes me look far more studious. Punctu that 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:39.200 is correct? 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.880 Start doing that? Hey, great than my computer's on the fritz. 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.200 That's a good start. Let's let's uh, this is okay. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.200 This is We usually do guessing lines on on Mondays 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.720 during the NFL regular season. Obviously the regular season is 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.880 now in the books, so we still we still talk 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.840 about the lines. Obviously that's the whole point of all this. Uh. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.959 And I did have guesses that I sent you last night, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:01.560 but I am aware of the lines now. But we'll 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.000 tell you what the guess was. What the lines are 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.600 where the value is according to this exercise. 0:01:06.319 --> 0:01:08.280 Yeah, I was gonna I was gonna ask you something 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.720 in between breaks. Didn't we uh didn't we did? It 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:12.640 used to be a thing here in Nevada that they 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:17.360 couldn't post lines until the games schedule was announced, which 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.960 I thought was weird. But then MGM was posting stuff 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:21.039 immediately yesterday. 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.560 I don't remember that. Is that true? 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.360 I don't know. I might just be making maybe. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.120 I mean, Christy always waited, my Christy Andrews of the 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.520 South One always waited til we did the show to 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:30.880 post the lines. But I don't think that had to 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:31.399 do with Nevada. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.120 No, I mean like playoffs when they were waiting. So 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.720 like last night, right, we had the big gap before 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.920 games finished and when we knew games were gonna be played. 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.319 So despite knowing the matchups, not knowing the schedules, what 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.840 you're saying correct, Yeah, you could be right. I don't 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:46.800 remember that, but you could be right. There's a lot 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:47.480 of things I don't remember. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:48.880 Kill wait to derail the show early. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.080 Yeah, let's start again, shall we. Let's get through let's skiore, 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.080 we're off to a fly and start. Let's get through 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.240 the administrative stuff first. We always started out guessing lines 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.200 with survivor up date, survivor obviously done, and the final 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.280 answer of how many people get to chop the pot? 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.120 And I get it. There were probably side chops. There 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.959 were probably there were probably a lot of folks hedging 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.680 on stuff. Regardless of those details, eight officially eight end 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.119 up in the choppity chop chop. Eight of them. One 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:22.080 point seven eight million dollars is what they all split 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.440 in the end. To be exact on that number, Kelly's 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:26.560 already in fact checking. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:26.680 Me on this. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:31.320 It's one point seven eight three million dollars of one million, 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.840 seven hundred eighty three thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.480 is what they all chop up. There were eighteen going in. 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:42.440 Eight eliminated on the falcons, two on the packers. My correct, 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:43.720 you're looking at me, funny. 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.200 Oh no, no, no, kind of pulling up the winner. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:49.240 We forget it's actually eight. Yeah, it's actually eight who finished. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.360 So out of the fourteen million, two hundred and sixty 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.400 six thousand, eight way chop one million, seven hundred eighty 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.120 three thousand, two hundred fifty dollars. Congratulations to everybody. We 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.600 will obviously get into the details of the eight that 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.560 went down on the Falcons yesterday in overtime to the 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.760 Panthers and then two on the Packers. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.680 I feel like I've seen that name Whiskey Business before 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.480 when we've got over contest. It feels like it doesn't 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.000 shout out to all of eight winners. Graduations, got dream Stakes, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.240 Meatball Brothers. I know they were on the show last night. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.399 Here in Circa you had a twenty ten money line 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.640 parlay where you didn't get to pick the same team twice. 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.440 It's just awesome, incredible. It's incredible in a year of 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.080 Survivor where the first five weeks were historic carnage, over 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:34.240 ninety eight percent were eliminated, and then the last stretch 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.640 of the year up until the final two weeks was 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.360 historic stagnation where nobody got eliminated. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.000 Yeah, you had. As we often do though, especially when 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.400 these contests come into play. Yeah, I think we always 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.880 go or I always feel like we go into week 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.240 eighteen kind of underselling how much drama we're gonna have 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.440 And oh boy, did will those guys have to suffer 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:54.960 through a lot yesterday to get home? 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:59.400 Yeah? Man, they did. But again, congratulations, what a contest, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.920 the greatest contest there ever was. And who knows how 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.880 much the pot will be next year? Who knows, certainly 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.640 higher than fourteen million one would anticipate. Okay, then, in 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.000 terms of we've already heard, Dave did a great job 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.360 this morning, Dave Rosst did on by the books of 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.359 going through what was already happened. We knew yesterday Robert 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:21.720 Kraft barely waited to fire girod Mayo of the You know, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.400 the Patriots first year coach does not get past the 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.479 night of his final victory of the season, as the 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.479 Patriots finished four and thirteen. And my whole question with 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.120 that always is, if you were going to fire him, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.720 why did you let him coach the last game? Why'd 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.280 you let him do that? Now he won, and now 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.960 your draft pick is not nearly as good. Instead of 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.320 having the first pick of the draft, you got the 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.640 fourth pick of the draft. I'm not sure that was 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.039 the death knell of all of it. Perhaps it was 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.599 calling his players soft earlier props, it was the body 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.599 of work, but he was gone quick. And then this morning, Kelly, 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:55.360 it is. 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.840 Weird, though, Wait when you make that decision. Clearly they 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.160 had made that decision well in advance yesterday, and I mean, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.279 how many times are we going to see this play out? Now? 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.880 I mean it's happened multiple times in the past few years. 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.720 When we get these coaches that go out and win 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.440 the final game, you screw up old franchises draft play. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.320 I think we refer to it as the Lovey Smith 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:14.839 event happening. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.640 Yeah, just to you know, for just saw this a 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.760 little bit before we went, before we came on the show. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.400 Number one pick odds. You know who's the favorite. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.080 New I would imagine cam Warden, that's one twenty five favorite. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.760 Now the Tennessee Titans on the clock with the number 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.479 one pick in the draft. Browns to Giants three. Those 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.200 are all quarterback needy franchises, one would imagine, and the 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.160 Giants get the Booby prize of being third in the end. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:44.640 Way to go Giants, Patriots fourth, now, jag Wires five, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:49.000 Raiders six, Jets seven, and you see the rest there 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.680 you go up until the Falcons who become or the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.200 excuse me, the Bengals and Seahawks become the teams they 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.360 get the Booby prizes of best teams to miss the playoffs. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.960 The seventeen and eighteen, but also this morning Doug Peterson 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:07.280 fired for the Jacksonville Jaguars as well. We also learned 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:11.719 that Brian dabol Joe Shane coach and GM respectively for 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:16.080 the Giants. They stay, as will both coach and GM 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.200 for the Browns, the Colts and the Dolphins. That much 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:20.640 we know. So there you go on that. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.240 I don't think any huge surprises there, right. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.280 No, I mean, day Boll sting and Shane's sting a 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.400 little bit of a surprise to me, not massively so, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.200 but someone. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.119 I'm not as surprised as about DA. Shane's a little 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:34.280 interesting he's coming back. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.760 Yeah, well, I don't know. I thought Daboll would be 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.479 the first one to go, even though Shane botched the whole. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.320 I mean, listen, they signed sign Daniel Jones and then 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:49.440 all ensued from there, right, All decision making ensued from there. Okay, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:51.040 shall we get into it because I have way too 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.080 much to talk about on this show. Yeah, so many things. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.520 Let's do these chronologically. It is Super wild Card weekend, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.440 so you get three on Saturday, no, pardon me, two 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.960 on Saturday, three on Sunday, one on Monday. Let's start 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:04.760 with Saturday. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.160 We'll give a new format, all right, Saturday, four to 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.760 thirty Eastern time, Chargers at Texans in their normal playoff 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:12.280 time slot. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.240 That was the first reaction to the schedule coming out 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.600 as like, the Houston Texans streak is alive. They have 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.239 been to the postseason eight times, all eight of which 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.960 they get the early Saturday time slot. Tell me your 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.800 franchise is not valued. Without telling me your franchise is 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.480 not that valued. The number five seed Chargers get it done, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.080 and they get it done because the Steelers lost on 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.560 Saturday to the Bengals. The Chargers beat the Raiders yesterday 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.480 and therefore the Chargers move from the sixth seed to 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.600 the five seed, the coveted five seed to get to 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.720 travel to the Houston Texans. But we talked about last 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.880 week probably the team in the worst form headed into 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.960 the postseason in either conference. Houston started CJ. Stroud yesterday 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.800 for a drive. He was perfect on the drive, six 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.080 or six or fifty yards, got a touchdown pass and 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.000 that was that for CJ. Stroud. It was Davis Mills 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.600 from that point forward again in a line. That was 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.440 the one thing I got right yesterday more than anything, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.360 which is how were the Titans. How were they favored? 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.360 Over and over they were favored, then it went to 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:10.880 a pick them, and then before the game they went 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.720 to be favored again, and it's like they still the Titans. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.440 They're still the Tights, And there were just there was 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.680 decisions in that game that corroborated the handicap, which is 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.920 we're just going to kick a field goal here. There's 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:21.440 a lot of that. 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.480 I finally joined it. I took a piece of first half, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.160 so that was good. I was shocked to see it 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.160 over the when it moved back yesterday before the game, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:30.760 I was like, all right, like, I gotta get on 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.640 that Texans here, like at least a little bit. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.400 So I guessed here Chargers minus two and a half 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.959 on the road at Houston, and the line ended. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.480 Up being, yeah, it's three pretty much everywhere right now. 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.280 There were two and a half's out there yesterday when 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.360 this first opened. But yeah, it is basically blanket three. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.720 Least exciting game from a fan standpoint. I mean, they're 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.760 all exciting, but if you had to rank them least exciting, oh. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.280 Good question. I hadn't thought about that. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.440 Remember, they receive in the NFL, so we don't know 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.920 necessarily who the winner plays. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.480 I'm gonna go with no, because I expect one of 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.760 these other games to be a blowout. So it's fine. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.080 If you prefer closer games between two teams and arn't 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.319 is good, then yeah, I don't think this is the 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:18.080 least exciting. 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.960 Let me let me go through some some rando, just 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:27.120 some rando notes. These these qualify as just interesting stats, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.080 interesting notions from what happened, but it ties into what 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.640 the Chargers did this year. You tell me which of 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.400 these is interesting to you or not. Maybe maybe none 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.600 of them are, maybe all of them are. Hardest strength 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.920 of schedule this year. This is of the fourteen playoff 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.400 teamskay hardest strength of schedule, with all of a sudden 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:48.360 done green Bay five point thirty three opponent aggregate win percentage. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:49.400 A lot of that has to do with the fact 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.319 that they play the Lions twice and the Vikings twice, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.000 and that's a fifteen and two and a fourteen and three, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.679 and we'll obviously get to that game. Easiest strength of 0:09:55.720 --> 0:10:01.319 schedule ended up being Washington for thirty six opponent aggregate. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.200 Now that's the strength of schedule. How about strength of victory? 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.200 These are the best and the worst of the fourteen 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.199 playoff teams in terms of the aggregate win percentage of 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.560 those that you ended up beating the hardest or the 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.880 best strength of victory best strength of victory Baltimore five 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:25.280 twenty five worst, the LA Chargers three forty eight. This 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.840 team feasted on crap yep. So, for all the hype, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.160 which is justified on Jim Harbus's first season, by the way, 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.120 shout out to Matt Eumans, because he got this team 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.560 more right than anybody before the season started. When he 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.480 was strong on the over. It was the schedule right 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.640 more than anything. It was the schedule now justin Herbert's awesome, 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.040 no question about that. But just keep that in the 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.200 back of your mind that this was a team that 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.000 feasted more than any other playoff team in terms of 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.959 their victories on poor competition. 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:53.880 Yeah, I think it's I think this is a really 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.600 tough game to bet a side on. I did bet. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.520 I bet the total. I bet under forty four yesterday. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.720 I think we with how good the Texans defenses playing 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.280 them at home, I think it's gonna be a tough 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.440 task for either one of these quarterbacks to put a 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.160 big number. So I bet the under. As far as 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.679 side goes gil Man, it'd have to be Texans or passed. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.760 I still think this is a lot. I didn't bet anything, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.840 but man, this for the Charges to be laying a 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.200 full three on the road, I'm a little bit surprised 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:20.520 by it. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.920 I don't love this game either way. On the side, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.240 A lot of the reason having to do with what 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.760 you know, who did the Charges necessarily beat the Texans 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.680 look at the worst with apologies to their performance yesterday, 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:33.000 which was fine against a crappy team in the Tennessee Titans. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.240 But it's not a game I gravitate towards on the side. Yeah, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.599 I'm with you, with you, we will get to the 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.439 other games, of course, more little factoids from the season 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.040 that you may find interesting or not. You be the judge. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.920 It's a Monday after the season, heading into Super Wildcar 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:50.240 weekend right here on a numbers game at visin the 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.640 Sports Betting Network. 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.080 Numbers game on vs. The Sports Vetting Network. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.520 Oh, I got big news. We got big news today 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.280 here at VSON. We are returning to serious XM. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:13.760 Yes, let's go. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.160 Starting January seventeenth, Visa's twenty four to seven programming will 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.960 be available on Serious XM Channel one fifty eight and 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.080 the Serious XM app of course. 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We can say simply serious. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.800 Yeah, yeah, and shout out to YouTube TV. Though I say, 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.559 because there's a lot of it from a viewing perspective, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.120 I have gotten that answer a lot more than I've 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.800 maybe expected over the past nine months to. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.080 A year, There's no doubt about it. 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.880 But yes, listening back on Serious XM, I know you 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.480 and I are pumped. We were both here obviously, you 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.880 from the beginning and me as well. Joined when we 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.440 were on Serious XM. So be excited to be returning 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.360 Patrick Dustin. Awesome to see them back on Mad Dog 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.000 Stomping Ground, that's their old Stomping Grounds, old show. I 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.520 loved their show they did on Mad Dog. It was 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.760 one of those shows that would talk about I mean, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.240 obviously we're all talking gambling now, but they were talking 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.240 about gambling a little, you know, before Paspa and everything 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.280 was repealed. It was great to drive round at night 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.640 listen to those guys talking about making live bets and 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.280 stuff like that. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.080 Yeah, Patrick was kind. They were both kind enough to 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.280 have me on that old show once upon a time. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:56.880 And it was awkward because at one point I told 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:58.920 him that my girlfriend really enjoys him, and it just 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.720 sort of went off off from there. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.240 Big start, we'll. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.520 Invite me back, I don't know. All right, Let's go 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.520 to game number two on Saturday, A right. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.800 Game number two Saturday nights, and we have Steelers at Ravens. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.680 Steelers at Ravens one of these great rivalries in sports. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.480 At least it used to be. Steelers end the season 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.000 with four straight losses. We always knew the gauntlet was there. 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.800 That was part of the handicap of the Steelers going 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.120 under their season win total. We know that didn't happen. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.760 That Mike Tomlin magic beamed him his way into another 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:36.400 winning season, his eighteenth consecutive season without having a losing season, 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.600 to be more precise, But they do lose four in 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.560 a row. At the end, they lose to Cincinnati on Saturday. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.880 One hundred and ninety three total yards of offense for 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.000 the Pittsburgh Steelers on Saturday against the now eliminated Bengals 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:49.880 as well, but the Bengals didn't know that at the time. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.600 And then there's Baltimore who beats Cleveland thirty five to ten. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.920 If you were on the Cleveland side of that twenty 0:14:55.960 --> 0:15:01.600 point spread, you deserved better. Baltimore mark covers and they 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.360 become the AFC North champs with that win. That's what 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.760 got them the three seed. Pittsburgh by virtue of their loss, 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.480 and the Chargers win yesterday end up in the sixth slot, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.440 so they have to travel to Baltimore. And Lamar Jackson, 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.640 by the way, we'll get into an MVP talk later 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.200 later in the week, I'm sure, but he ends the 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.000 season with the fifth highest rated, fifth highest passer rating 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.360 in a season in NFL history one nineteen point sixty three, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.160 first ever with forty plus touchdown passes and fewer than 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.760 five interceptions forty one and four, first ever with four 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.960 thousand yards passing in eight hundred yards rushing forty one 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.160 seventy two and nine fifteen, and led the NFL in 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.040 touchdown percentage, yards per attempt, air yards per attempt, on 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.760 and on and on. So I said, you know the 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.240 thing about this spread, Kelly, is that they played two 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.880 weeks ago in Baltimore, right, so we kind of I 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:58.040 believe that was seven. So this time pass. Oh, say, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.400 I had it at seven. So this to me was 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.520 anyway between seven and a half and nine and a 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.840 half per my rankings, because I've had Baltimore as my 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.240 number one ranked team for a long time and I've 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.360 had Pittsburgh at the bottom of the top ten. For me, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.560 it was probably like nine of It's somewhere between seven 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.080 and a half and nine and a half. But I 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.760 thought the guess that I had was seven and a half. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:17.880 It ended up being more what I thought it would be. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.240 Yeah, we're I'm just trying to look nine. I think 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.520 was mainly the opener were nine and a half basically 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.720 everywhere right now, which I don't know about you, I 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.040 think makes a lot of sense from a book perspective, 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.680 just to keep it out a teaser range, because Tete 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:35.120 teezer options this week. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.120 Teaser protection. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:37.000 That's what that is. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.200 I only have one thing to say from that Baltimore game, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.240 and it's not the the Michael Pierce interception at the end, 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.120 which was hilarious and everybody wish he didn't take a 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.480 knee and that he kept running. Can I just this 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.520 is this has nothing to do with betting, but the 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.720 Browns touchdown drive when they eventually got their you know, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.360 one touchdown of the game. There was a play earlier 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.960 in that drive, a few plays earlier, where Jamari Thrash 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.080 looked like he had scored a touchdown. He caught the 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.959 ball outside of the end zone. He then crossed the 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:11.320 plane and then got the ball knocked out of his hands. Okay, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.520 and it it went to review and they ruled no touchdown. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.080 And the explanation given is three things have to happen. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.119 You have to uh. I don't know what the three 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.240 things are, but the third thing that didn't happen was 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:30.080 you have to you know, go three steps to the ground, right, Okay, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.840 I get the explanation. Am I the only one though, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.520 who was completely fooled by this? That I believe? 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:39.240 Right? 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.720 What has always been the case is that the goal 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:46.040 line is some kind of magic plane. I have actually 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.280 had conversations with Mike Carrey, remember former NFL at official 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.800 night carry at the MIT Sloan Sports Conference. I get 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.120 this was twelve years ago, where I talked to him 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.160 about a specific play. It was in the Super Bowl 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.080 that the Saints were in. You remember the Super Bowl 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.320 where the Saints b Peyton Manning and the Colts. There 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.280 was a two point conversion in that game where Lance 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.879 Moore caught the ball from Drew Brees. He was outside 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.760 of the end zone. He turned around and the ball 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.240 went over the plane. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:09.880 Right. 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:12.200 He came back out and the ball was knocked out 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.800 of his hands and it was ruled because he crossed 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.520 the plane that it was still a touch. That was 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.959 still a two point conversion. To me, if you're in 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.520 the end zone. This is how they've always, at least 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.399 to my understanding, how they've always called it is if 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.400 you're in the end zone, right, And I always talked 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.520 about how this this inconsistency made no sense. But let's 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.119 say you're six yards in the end zone, Kelly and 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:31.680 I throw a teeth. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:32.720 There are different rules. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.040 You catch it right for a second and then someone 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.040 knocks it out of your hands, that's not a catch. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.120 But if you catch it outside of the end zone, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.080 you cross the plane and then it gets knocked down. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.960 That to me was always ruled a touchdown. And so 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.639 after I'm just saying, there's nothing to do with betting. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.120 But after watching that on Saturday, I'm like, I have 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:49.280 no idea about anything. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.200 It's another one of those I'll get it. It's what 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.000 do we always what do we always say? We thought 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.119